This was probably the single best cinematic experience I've ever had in the cinema. I'm from the UK and no one ever claps in the cinema and when Cap says "Avengers....Assemble." Everyone absolutely lost it.
@@BROWNMIST44 our theatre erupted during both the mjolnir and assemble scenes. I had tears of both joy and sadness in the last hour of the movie. Incredible
Man, I'm from UK too, but even during Endgame final battle nobody cheered or clapped in theatre except me. Was so disappointed. It was 3 days after premier though.
Man, the moment when Nick throws to Andy for "Rank Those Abs" and gets "Is It A Wig?" instead, causing the rest of the group to shower him in absolute disdain was hilarious.
Btw the directors confirmed Cap created another dimension when he went back in time. From EW: "“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?” The brothers smile. “Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”"
Here after 2 years, and this movie still brings me to tears. Watched it with my then 7, 11 and 12 year old boys. When cap picks up mjollnir, I just so happened to look over at my boys and their jaws were on the ground…followed by the “avengers assemble” moment shortly after. This memory is forever cemented in my head. Hands down best cinematic experience/ father-son bonding moment EVER. GD this was beautiful. And there I go crying again. Fk!
Mark my words, they mentioned the energy pulses to do with Thanos using the stones at the beginning of the film as a set up for Galactus. Do not be surprised if in a future MCU movie they touch on "the garden" planet (whatever it was called) being "decimated" as a hint of the fact that these energy signatures are sought after by the big G. Plus, Earth has now been ground zero for THREE of these cosmic energy pulses in the space of 5 years.
Could be... but for them to even mention galctus in the MCU it will depend on its own success from this moment forward and I dont think they will have it, at least not as big as it was this 10 years, they may have something in their minds but they really need to hit the reset button and have at least 3 years of movies without any big hint, otherwise it will feel rushed. I believe that, if they are able to pull this off (another major story development like the infinity saga), what took them 10 years, would need 15 years from now on.
Again, Kevin is using the Back to the Future time traveling theory after they made it a point to explain that is not how it works. Their past happened. It's set in stone and cannot be undone the same way it can be altered in BTTF. It doesn't have a butterfly or rippling effect. Killing Thanos as a baby would not at all effect THEIR timeline, or make it so that they were never able to create the portal. Instead, it would create an alternate one in which Thanos didn't grow up in. They made it a point to say that going into our past would be part of our future because we are currently our present self. We were always destined to get to this point in this reality. That's why the Ancient Once visually shows us how removing the stone from that point in time could possibly save our reality but it would greatly effect hers negatively because her self then would be moving into an alternate timeline where she never had the time stone and was unable to pass it down to Doctor Strange, UNLESS he delivers it back to her at THAT point in time and not before because then that would only create yet another timeline where two stones exists instead of fixing the one where the stone was removed from. It's tricky which is why time travel can get so messy, but they're supporting their own logic by using the multiverse theory. But it doesn't mean it isn't flawed. That's the problem with writing about time traveling without prior reference or without it being contained like in Prisoner of Azkaban. There are a few blatant plotholes and it is how did Cap return the Space Stone as the Tesseract, hold the Power Stone to get it back to Morag, return the Mind Stone as part of the Sceptre and get the Reality Stone back in Aether form to put back into Jane? How did he return the Soul Stone to Vormir? Isn't Hawkeye still technically the owner as he earned the Soul Stones? And how was he able to arrive at that particular moment at the bench when going back and staying in the past would mean he created an alternate timeline where two Caps existed?
You are spot on Lauren. All of those questions we just have to say, well I guess he figured out how to do it. As for the bench part, see if you can find my original comment about it above. I think it fits pretty nicely and shows it's not a plot hole
Why would any of those stones need to be in the place they were originally?? The only one that needs to be returned is the time stone so Urmarmu doesn't destroy Earth. The universe seems to of done fine for 5 years without any stones at all, Urmarmu hasn't returned, and besides they aint getting new stones to keep in the prime timeline, seems like the old ones would mostly be fine without stones.. I think the Ancient One was only really talking about her own stone and returning the other stones was a bit of a waste of Caps time.. Besides leaving some of the stones out of the alternate timelines would stop the half dozen other Thanoses from snapping those timelines out of existence.. This is the only real plot hole I can find, they never give a reason the other timelines NEED stones, since ours is fine with ZERO stones.
I really like the idea that the future can't be changed because you go into the past. But because you lived your life up to that point then went back in time, the past now becomes your future and therefore cannot change. I also like the way they really made it simpler too by having the alternate timelines and how that each can be opened and closed. my only issue was the loki disappearing because we knew about his show before the movie came out and its pretty clear that thats going to be the focus
Lauren G. Cap can travel back to the past from the future of the bench, but how did he get back into the main timeline from his alternate one? That’s the biggest plot hole to me, and if they wanna say there’s always been 2 Caps in the main timeline, then they’ve created a time paradox with Peggy’s children, creating a chicken/egg scenario with no conclusion which is worse than a plot hole.
The Russo brothers confirmed that Cap went back and created and alternate timeline by staying in the past. They were asked how he got back to the main timeline, and they smiled and said "That's an interesting question😉. There might be a story there."
He was wrong about how Cap gets on the bench though. Hulk says "He blew past his re-entry point" so he just didn't go to the portal and went 20 ft to the left and sat on the bench
Chris Hemsworth has been quoted as being open to whatevers up for thor going forward, it just seemed like he was really over the whole shakespear in the park of thor 1 n 2. I love how theyve changed and fleshed out thor over n over
Kevin is so wrong it hurts. Like, he brings up Quill getting knocked out...Thanos and Nebula from that timeline are dead. It doesn't affect our main timeline.
I believe we were watching the alternate timeline the whole time. When Cap decided to stay, that fractured to a new timeline. So the only way that you could see the perspective of Cap living and aging to the bench, is that we were watching the fractured timeline once Thanos destroyed the original stones.
John Hoang That would mean that Old Cap would’ve had to have been in hiding from the moment Young Cap was thawed, and he couldn’t attend Peggy’s funeral. All this does is open up a can of worms.
I would say tho, Cap 5 years post snap, is in a different mindset than Cap pre snap. In Endgame he talks about moving on and getting a life. I think all original Avengers had big character arcs after the 5yrs that changed them to a point where I could see Cap going for what's more important to him after realizing winning or losing, you will always have that big regret in life(unless you have access to a time machine) because of his burden to take on the troubles of the world.
Then originally I still say each time there was a change in the past due to a visit from the future, a new timeline is created. So we might have switch from watching the original timeline to a different timeline once they all returned. So at that point, future Cap had already existed during the our perceived original timeline. Once you go through to the past and come back, what has happened and will happened, happened. If that makes any sense. So Cap deciding to stay in the past has happened already when they make the return home with the stones.
57:21 = Sorry Kevin, but according to Joe Russo in an interview, Tim is correct and Cap going back to be with Peggy created a separate timeline that the old Cap came from to pass the shield to Sam, which will get explored somewhere in a future project.
If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality. The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away? Interesting question, right? Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.” - Joe Russo Found in a Screenrant interview
Everything about this film was worth it. Never had a emotional rollercoaster during a film. Easily the greatest comic film of all time and I stand by that. Super excited for the future of the MCU and thankful to see this 11 year story end.
Tim is correct about the time stuff. It's more confusing than it should be because the character that explains it to banner in New York explains it wrong and contradicts how it's explained earlier in the movie. She says that if they take the stone from their universe then it will cause a split and new time line to be created but actually the new time line was already created as soon as they entered that universe from their original universe. Once they're there they've already changed things so another alternative time line is created, taking the stone doesn't then devide it more, it's already been divided. Also they don't need to return the stones to the exact time and place from which they took them, they just need to put them back in their own universe because if the stones are forever gone from those universes then the people have no chance of defending themselves. So as long as the stone is back in its own universe the people there can defend themselves from threats. So they could go back to the universe and just drop the stone in a random field if they wanted to, just so long as the stone is back in the right universe that's all they had to do. Putting the stones back in the right place would be polite but nothing more.
I’m sure this has been said already in the comments or someone told you guys on twitter but the directors confirmed Cap lived in a different timeline. They put out a QA for the big questions
Just wanna point out that Tim is spot on on how Cap came back at the end, Joe Russo said he lived his life in a different timeline and came back. The theory that there were two Caps the whole time is dumb anyway
@@chrislopez5301 Hulk said it would be 5 seconds for us but Cap can take as long as he needed to return the stones, so he did. And decided to live a full life with Peggy up till her death, which is why he looks 80+ years old.
MCU time travel works like DBZ time travel. You can’t go back in time and change events in your timeline as that could alter events that would lead to you time travelling in the first place. Instead an alternate branching timeline is created. The Avengers created four alternate timelines when they got the stones. Their original plan was after the stones were used to undo the snap they’d be returned to the alternate timelines where they were taken to minimize the changes to them. Of course two of those timelines were permanently changed with Loki’s escape and Thanos’ death. In the end Cap returned all the stones and then went to a new timeline where he lived with Peggy. He returned to the main timeline to give Sam the shield
The movie references Ratchet & Clank when Tony calls Rocket "Ratchet" while Rocket is holding a wrench. EDIT: Wow ok so it was some people on the internet who told me he was carrying a wrench, but I saw it again and he was carrying a hammer at the time... Welp. I also read that something to do with how the line is translated in different language versions indicates that it's an intentional reference, but idk internet people could be fucking me over with that too.
This is how the time worked with Captain America:. There were two caps in the past, the future cap (2nd cap) went back and did not affect anything that would change the time. He knew when to be at the bench. He existed in the same time as the Cap who was an Avenger, fought Thanos and then went back in Time. It's not that hard to understand, he just stayed OUT of meddling with the timeline.
Doesnt matter if he stayed out of trouble or not- The act of going back in time physically puts someone in a different timeline. Your still thinking like BTTF logic, they take time and effort to loudly explain it doesn't work how you are describing.
Also, the 5-year aging thing puts the Spider-Man movies in an interesting place too - doesn't that mean Miles Morales could be 5 years older and closer to Peter's age now?
@@timc2620 He hasn't been formally introduced yet, but they make direct reference to him in Homecoming. Go to the funny interrogation scene. Aaron Davis (Miles' uncle) tells Spider-Man that he doesn't want Vulture's weapons on the streets because he has a little nephew who lives in the area. Also, in that same scene the license plate on the car references the issue that Miles first appears in.
I agree with kev. At first I thought repeat viewings were going to be a bit “tough” because there is sooo much in this movie. But after seeing it again for a second time, I was wrong. this movie stands up well to repeated viewing. I had tears with a huge grin on my face during the final battle.
Hulk: “He blew right by his time stamp he should have been back by now.” This indicates that Steve did in fact go into the future and came back to be at the bench. Tim is right.
This video makes me feel everything I felt in the theatre opening night and hearing you guys describe it brought all those feelings back and just made for a wonderful podcast that spruced up a pretty shitty day
Technically yes they have to put them back where they found them as to not fracture the timeline. -The Ancient One need the time stone back or else it would never end up in the hands of Dr Strange and he never would have stopped Dormammu -the power stone needed to be back in the vault so Star Lord could find it and the events of Guardians -the soul stone would be returned to Vormir and there are some discrepancies with as to what happened to the soul it took Gamora/Widow -the reality Stone would need to be put “back in to Jane” as so the events of the Dark World could play out properly -the space stone/tesseract would need to be put back in 1970 so the future of the MCU could play out as such -the mind stone /scepter needed to be put back in the case right after avengers so that Wanda & Pietro would be created and eventually Vision Like The Ancient One said they all form the time stream and if taken out of their path then it would create fractured and branching timelines so as to remedy that they can be taken out but must be put back where they were found as to recomplete the timestream
That's not what the ancient one was saying, there would still be multiple timelines. None of the other stones really matter, putting them back was kinda pointless, oh no a world without Vision, who cares
Ace Jaden Angel no she was saying that they need to be put back to keep the time stream in place. Remove them you create an alternate branching reality/timeline but if you put it back where it was the time stream would not be affected and no alternate realities would be created. They have to put them back or else they break time and interrupt the time stream creating many different timelines/realities.
Didn't get a post credit scene...but this 2 hr review will certainly fit the void! The still best line of MCU : That's my secret Cap, I'm always angry....
The 4 of them going to Morag together and then splitting up has a reasonable excuse: It's easy to send them to the same year, but two different places in the same year, however, is too much of a risk.
After I saw Renner's haircut in the trailer, I got that hawk & had it for a year (pretty much til covid made me cut). I stand by that that cut is cool. Esp since I'm def a Hawkeye stan.
I don’t think Infinity War is incredibly rewatchable, it’s weird that everyone keeps saying that. To me, Infinity War is incredibly taxing emotionally even more so than this film in a weird way considering what happens. The snap is such a monumental defeat for our heroes and it feels like a gut punch every time, I am not happy or excited at the end of IF (not that that’s a bad thing)
@@MikeSW I think the opposite. I don't like that idea at all - it leans more into the side of Steve's character that people found uninteresting (faultless, perfect, etc.) He can be a genuinely good person and still make a mistake every now and then. And the mistake/guilt of not being honest with Tony is big enough to stop him from not being worthy in my opinion. I think it's much better storytelling.
@@thefakejoey8549 That's worse storytelling. You can't actively make an inference to that end - you have to be told later on. The AoU scene has the info readily available to interpret. You see the hammer move, you can't say for certain if he can pick it up or if he falls on some imaginary spectrum close to "worthiness." If the reason is guilt, you have to wait for an entirely different movie to be told by the writers that the scene had that significance - there is no way to know or guess as a viewer.
@@thefakejoey8549 Cleary guilt isn't enough to make you unworthy. Thor was clearly still feeling guilty after the chat with his mother and he called Mjoulnir. He may have reconciled some doubts but was still clearly guilty about not "going for the head".
I am so glad this review was longer than most of the others. Also Andy was saying they may have went too long with the time trace talk but at no point was I annoyed. Thanks for the epic review
They agreed upon "groups of four" when entering the quantum realm, so i'm assuming that's why Nat and Clint went with War Machine and Nebula, instead of going straight to Volmir right away.
So I didn't see anyone say so in the comments, but I want to say they didn't send Hawkeye and Black Widow directly to Vormir because... Gamora and Thanos were the only ones who knew it's exact location after having gone there (based on a map that Gamora memorized and then destroyed, per Infinity War), and they're both dead. Being teleported to a location you think you might know where it is (and possibly being wrong and then sent adrift in space and potentially wasting Pym Particles to be retrieved) is a lot different from letting the ship auto-pilot to where a place is meant to be, and then landing it there once you see it. Does that make sense? Nebula only implies she knew where they went (IIRC), but not the exact quantum coordinates, or whatever. So they had to hoof it the last bit. We've either seen the other characters physically BE at the other locations (NYC and Camp Lehigh) or it's reasonable that they've been at some point for some reason or another. Nobody other than Thanos or Gamora should know precisely where Vormir is.
One more thought...Hulk literally accidentally made a fountain of youth. He passed time through Scott Lang and turned him into a baby. Maybe he could do something similar on a certain old man on a bench :P
Still waiting for someone to explain just what makes Captain Marvel 'overpowered' in the same series where a guy has a suit that absorbs damage and reflects it and literal magic but someone who has glowy hands and a vendetta against spaceships is unfair
I watched it for the second time last night and noticed so many bittersweet intricate details I missed the last time. I noticed some dialogues because I knew the ending. I'll watch it at least one more time.
Before i even get in to watching this epic review i know it's gonna be a good one since i spent a good 10/15 minutes at 8:03 just for that epic plot intro and the smiles on everyones faces, this is gonna be good
The movie explains in the simplest way it can that there aren't multiple timelines. The Ancient One/Sorcerer Supreme shows us the timeline as it exists, and shows that alternate timelines are only created when an Infinity Stone is removed from a point in time.
About the time travel: I thought in the conversation between Professor Hulk and The Ancient One, Hulk said that replacing the Infinity Stones at the exact time and place that they were taken erases the alternate timelines (since the Infinity Stones are singularities, or something like that). I'm rewatching it again on Friday, so I'll try to play closer attention to that part.
No. The Ancient One was just showing how messed up their timeline would be without the stone. Hulk was just showing that if he brought the stone back after using it her timeline would be fine.
1:06:10 I don't think it makes full sense for why they went together to the different planets but they only had 1 ship to take back in time with them so they had to go together. I don't think they said this properly in the movie but it sounded like they couldn't go any*where*, only places they've been physically but at any time period
From what I understand the Stones just need to be returned to the exact moment they were removed from the timeline, so the Soul Stone doesn't go back to where it was with Red Skull protecting it. It just is returned to where Hawkeye removed it from that timeline
I love the small shining moments from the characters we know will be the future of the MCU - especially the Gauntlet being passed from Black Panther to Spider-Man to Captain Marvel. That plus Thor's future puts the MCU in an interesting place.
Listening to Kevin's time travel theories has been the most frustrating thing to do today haha. They explain it in the movie why can't he let go of the idea that they're changing the future by changing the past?
well pretty much any famous time travel movie is about going to the past to fix something in the future. Looper, Deadpool 2 credits, Terminator, whatever. People cant get the idea of agency and time as a linear flow out of their minds
The "Avengers Assemble" moment didn't really hit me compared to most other things because I was just wondering how many of them could actually hear him
The crew's issue with Vormir is easy to explain. They don't know exactly where it is. The only people we know of that went there are both dead. Hawkeye has never been to space, and presumably Black Widow only once. Better to have Nebula do the driving, I would think. Also, it has zero impact on the plot, so it's moot.
The thing about old Cap messing up the time line that people aren't thinking about is that Cap created an alternate time line and we were in it the entire time.
One thought. Nick goes off on then not really needing the true gauntlet. But they do. Its showd many times that the stones are killing anyone including Thanos when he puts on the glove. Thanos' gauntlet had magical properties (which you mention but don't go into) that channel the stones. Like how the Tesseract, the Ether, or Loki's staff channel the power so non-God like beings could touch and use the stones without dying.
Tim is correct, they specifically say you can't change the past of this timeline. When you change anything you create a separate timeline. Banner says if they put all the stones back, then taking the stones won't create a separate timeline, but taking the stones aren't the only thing that can change the timeline. That's why new Nebula can kill old Nebula and still be alive. Because those separate timelines can't change the main timeline that we've been living in since 2008. Cap lived with Peggy in another timeline and came back as an old man. Could have come back to the platform 30 minutes or a day before, because he knew they were going to be there at that exact time to send him back to return the stones and Mjolner. IGN also has a good video about it. But Tim is correct.
1:00:00 According to Dr. Strange, the chance of survival was so low with such specific conditions that I buy that Cap could be the Cap of another dimension that did the same strategy. So all Caps move 1 dimension over after Thanos.
You guys talk about how bucky and cap know eachother so well and he says i'm gonna miss you It's a callback to the first avenger where the roles are switched where Buckys leaving for the war and says: "Don't do anything crazy while i'm gone" and Steve replies: "How could I? You're taking all the crazy with you" This is what they say to eachother when they don't know if they're going to come back so cap was saying to him that he's leaving
Cap went back in time and lived in an alternate reality. He then waited until sometime AFTER the day he originally went back in time, and used pymm particles to go back in time and arrive on the bench. This way he doesn't need to use the time pad. We saw the characters using pymm particles to go back in time to any point - the only time they needed the time pad was when coming back to the present/future. It works! No plot hole.
Nope. He lived in the exact same timeline with the rules established. Nothing forked to make an alternate timeline. This stuff was established in the movie and is super simple once you understand the ruleset.
@@timc2620 Let's say that's true - so Steve was always there and married to Peggy? Those are his children? That would mean that the 2023 avengers were always there in the background in 2012 before taking the stones and creating the alternate reality? I don't think so, none of that was claimed in the movie and you can't have one without the other. Happy to hear your thoughts on that though
Tim you are wrong. Every time anyone goes back in time it makes an alternate timeline. (Unless its a timeline that someone has already gone back to before) Did you think Cap went back into the prime timeline? Because that is impossible, they explain that so much I'm not sure how you could miss it. Amaid's logic makes sense... Although that does mean that all they need to do is get someone from one of the other timelines to go back and kill Thanos as a baby, because it seems like they can travel to whenever they feel like in the other timelines.. Making the whole concept of "fixed timelines" kinda bullshit if you ask me... Hell, why didn't they kill baby-thanos for all the other timelines, just to be nice???
@@jadenedaj They could go back and kill baby thanos but that would only help people from that new reality that they would be creating, not them or anyone else.
Kevin just not getting the time lines (or you could say seeing the timelines differently than me tim Benny for from Comicstorian and the Russo Brothers) was the funniest part of this in review this watch
I think the reason they dont go directly to Vormir is because they just know that the Soul Stone was on Vormir and none of them had actually been to there? Since they all get sent to places they've actually been?
There being "Two Captain Americas the whole time" doesn't work. That means you're accepting that everything the Avengers did while they were in the past, has affected the future. Not only did Hulk explain that kind of idea away by saying we can't change our present or future by changing the past, but also, Loki would have escaped with the Tessaract. The whole point was that they were not going into the past to change the present, because that's not how time works in the MCU. That's why they were forced to bring new infinity stones to the present.
This was probably the single best cinematic experience I've ever had in the cinema.
I'm from the UK and no one ever claps in the cinema and when Cap says "Avengers....Assemble."
Everyone absolutely lost it.
@@BROWNMIST44 our theatre erupted during both the mjolnir and assemble scenes. I had tears of both joy and sadness in the last hour of the movie. Incredible
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Man, I'm from UK too, but even during Endgame final battle nobody cheered or clapped in theatre except me. Was so disappointed. It was 3 days after premier though.
@@TheEpicMind clapping is a premiere day thing usually only as its the biggest of the biggest fans there
If this was the top cinematic experience for you.....I hope you're 18 or something.
This review has been done 14 million different ways, We're here for this 1.
I looked forward to two things when endgame was released: the film itself and this review. I was not disappointed with either.
Man, the moment when Nick throws to Andy for "Rank Those Abs" and gets "Is It A Wig?" instead, causing the rest of the group to shower him in absolute disdain was hilarious.
Btw the directors confirmed Cap created another dimension when he went back in time.
From EW:
"“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”
The brothers smile.
“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”"
Thank you for this. Hopefully they'll use the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse to the fullest; Black Widow comes back to life, What Ifs, Evil Avengers?
The screenwriters disagree.
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So they basically said “we’ve spent three years thinking about it, but we don’t know yet.”
And the screen writers say otherwise, which is fucking hilarious to me LMFAO
Here after 2 years, and this movie still brings me to tears. Watched it with my then 7, 11 and 12 year old boys. When cap picks up mjollnir, I just so happened to look over at my boys and their jaws were on the ground…followed by the “avengers assemble” moment shortly after. This memory is forever cemented in my head. Hands down best cinematic experience/ father-son bonding moment EVER. GD this was beautiful. And there I go crying again. Fk!
Been waiting for this since leaving the theater!
22:28 the bald guy in the group was Jim Starlin, creator of Thanos!
Mark my words, they mentioned the energy pulses to do with Thanos using the stones at the beginning of the film as a set up for Galactus. Do not be surprised if in a future MCU movie they touch on "the garden" planet (whatever it was called) being "decimated" as a hint of the fact that these energy signatures are sought after by the big G. Plus, Earth has now been ground zero for THREE of these cosmic energy pulses in the space of 5 years.
Could be... but for them to even mention galctus in the MCU it will depend on its own success from this moment forward and I dont think they will have it, at least not as big as it was this 10 years, they may have something in their minds but they really need to hit the reset button and have at least 3 years of movies without any big hint, otherwise it will feel rushed.
I believe that, if they are able to pull this off (another major story development like the infinity saga), what took them 10 years, would need 15 years from now on.
Again, Kevin is using the Back to the Future time traveling theory after they made it a point to explain that is not how it works. Their past happened. It's set in stone and cannot be undone the same way it can be altered in BTTF. It doesn't have a butterfly or rippling effect. Killing Thanos as a baby would not at all effect THEIR timeline, or make it so that they were never able to create the portal. Instead, it would create an alternate one in which Thanos didn't grow up in. They made it a point to say that going into our past would be part of our future because we are currently our present self. We were always destined to get to this point in this reality.
That's why the Ancient Once visually shows us how removing the stone from that point in time could possibly save our reality but it would greatly effect hers negatively because her self then would be moving into an alternate timeline where she never had the time stone and was unable to pass it down to Doctor Strange, UNLESS he delivers it back to her at THAT point in time and not before because then that would only create yet another timeline where two stones exists instead of fixing the one where the stone was removed from. It's tricky which is why time travel can get so messy, but they're supporting their own logic by using the multiverse theory.
But it doesn't mean it isn't flawed. That's the problem with writing about time traveling without prior reference or without it being contained like in Prisoner of Azkaban. There are a few blatant plotholes and it is how did Cap return the Space Stone as the Tesseract, hold the Power Stone to get it back to Morag, return the Mind Stone as part of the Sceptre and get the Reality Stone back in Aether form to put back into Jane? How did he return the Soul Stone to Vormir? Isn't Hawkeye still technically the owner as he earned the Soul Stones? And how was he able to arrive at that particular moment at the bench when going back and staying in the past would mean he created an alternate timeline where two Caps existed?
You are spot on Lauren. All of those questions we just have to say, well I guess he figured out how to do it. As for the bench part, see if you can find my original comment about it above. I think it fits pretty nicely and shows it's not a plot hole
Why would any of those stones need to be in the place they were originally?? The only one that needs to be returned is the time stone so Urmarmu doesn't destroy Earth. The universe seems to of done fine for 5 years without any stones at all, Urmarmu hasn't returned, and besides they aint getting new stones to keep in the prime timeline, seems like the old ones would mostly be fine without stones.. I think the Ancient One was only really talking about her own stone and returning the other stones was a bit of a waste of Caps time.. Besides leaving some of the stones out of the alternate timelines would stop the half dozen other Thanoses from snapping those timelines out of existence.. This is the only real plot hole I can find, they never give a reason the other timelines NEED stones, since ours is fine with ZERO stones.
Thank you, Lauren! Finally someone who gets it. This should be the top comment!
I really like the idea that the future can't be changed because you go into the past. But because you lived your life up to that point then went back in time, the past now becomes your future and therefore cannot change. I also like the way they really made it simpler too by having the alternate timelines and how that each can be opened and closed. my only issue was the loki disappearing because we knew about his show before the movie came out and its pretty clear that thats going to be the focus
Lauren G.
Cap can travel back to the past from the future of the bench, but how did he get back into the main timeline from his alternate one? That’s the biggest plot hole to me, and if they wanna say there’s always been 2 Caps in the main timeline, then they’ve created a time paradox with Peggy’s children, creating a chicken/egg scenario with no conclusion which is worse than a plot hole.
The Russo brothers confirmed that Cap went back and created and alternate timeline by staying in the past. They were asked how he got back to the main timeline, and they smiled and said "That's an interesting question😉. There might be a story there."
CraftedJedi66 MC yeah. Kind of obvious. He fucked up shit. And he took Thor’s hammer and who knows what happened to it.
@@kingofzero It's safe to assume that he left Mjolnir back in the Dark World Timeline.
Cause they know they fucked up and dont have an answer
@@mikec4880 he put back all the stones and the hammer returning the normal timeline. Then he went and lived with Peggy while our cap was in ice.
Tim's explanation of the time stuff is spot on.
Thank you! It's so clearly not the "Two Captain Americas the whole time" that was the whole point of Hulk explaining how timelines work in the MCU
MrGreenerCat Exactly!!
He was wrong about how Cap gets on the bench though. Hulk says "He blew past his re-entry point" so he just didn't go to the portal and went 20 ft to the left and sat on the bench
Andy doing the wrong intros for the podcasts within podcasts slayed me
Chris Hemsworth has been quoted as being open to whatevers up for thor going forward, it just seemed like he was really over the whole shakespear in the park of thor 1 n 2. I love how theyve changed and fleshed out thor over n over
Is Kev’s laugh at the end stinger similar to the cling cling cling- what started this all?
Kevin is so wrong it hurts. Like, he brings up Quill getting knocked out...Thanos and Nebula from that timeline are dead. It doesn't affect our main timeline.
I feel like Kevin doesn't actually pay attention to movies but just gets excited over big moments. "OMG Cap lifted Mjolnir, it's #1!!!!!!!"
He grabbed extra Pym particles to travel multiple times, it totally makes sense.
I believe we were watching the alternate timeline the whole time.
When Cap decided to stay, that fractured to a new timeline. So the only way that you could see the perspective of Cap living and aging to the bench, is that we were watching the fractured timeline once Thanos destroyed the original stones.
John Hoang
That would mean that Old Cap would’ve had to have been in hiding from the moment Young Cap was thawed, and he couldn’t attend Peggy’s funeral. All this does is open up a can of worms.
I would say tho, Cap 5 years post snap, is in a different mindset than Cap pre snap. In Endgame he talks about moving on and getting a life. I think all original Avengers had big character arcs after the 5yrs that changed them to a point where I could see Cap going for what's more important to him after realizing winning or losing, you will always have that big regret in life(unless you have access to a time machine) because of his burden to take on the troubles of the world.
@@johnhoang1750
Oh I dont mean Cap's arc, I mean plot logistics/coherency.
Then originally I still say each time there was a change in the past due to a visit from the future, a new timeline is created. So we might have switch from watching the original timeline to a different timeline once they all returned. So at that point, future Cap had already existed during the our perceived original timeline. Once you go through to the past and come back, what has happened and will happened, happened. If that makes any sense. So Cap deciding to stay in the past has happened already when they make the return home with the stones.
I enjoy watching kevin struggle trying to understand the time travel
57:21 = Sorry Kevin, but according to Joe Russo in an interview, Tim is correct and Cap going back to be with Peggy created a separate timeline that the old Cap came from to pass the shield to Sam, which will get explored somewhere in a future project.
If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality. The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away? Interesting question, right? Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”
- Joe Russo
Found in a Screenrant interview
These films made me realise that I may not be a comic book fan but I’m a huge comic book film fan and I’m ok with that.
Everything about this film was worth it. Never had a emotional rollercoaster during a film. Easily the greatest comic film of all time and I stand by that. Super excited for the future of the MCU and thankful to see this 11 year story end.
Been waiting for this! Not even a KF regular but I cant get enough of discussing this film. It was so good.
Tim is correct about the time stuff. It's more confusing than it should be because the character that explains it to banner in New York explains it wrong and contradicts how it's explained earlier in the movie. She says that if they take the stone from their universe then it will cause a split and new time line to be created but actually the new time line was already created as soon as they entered that universe from their original universe. Once they're there they've already changed things so another alternative time line is created, taking the stone doesn't then devide it more, it's already been divided. Also they don't need to return the stones to the exact time and place from which they took them, they just need to put them back in their own universe because if the stones are forever gone from those universes then the people have no chance of defending themselves. So as long as the stone is back in its own universe the people there can defend themselves from threats. So they could go back to the universe and just drop the stone in a random field if they wanted to, just so long as the stone is back in the right universe that's all they had to do. Putting the stones back in the right place would be polite but nothing more.
I wish we had a Michael Pena explaining scene but I get it
That would have been great.
Still time for that to be the intro to Ant-Man 3!
Was Kevin's laugh at the end there supposed to be a reference to the sound of Tony Stark building the first Iron Man suit? lol.
I’m sure this has been said already in the comments or someone told you guys on twitter but the directors confirmed Cap lived in a different timeline. They put out a QA for the big questions
So he lived in a different timeline and then came back to our timeline to give the shield and die?
@@CoNiCuZn Yes.
The screenwriters disagree.
Watching KF talk about the movie even gives me a huge smile and tears of joy.
This movie was absolutely marvelous in countless way!
Just wanna point out that Tim is spot on on how Cap came back at the end, Joe Russo said he lived his life in a different timeline and came back. The theory that there were two Caps the whole time is dumb anyway
Facts.
So how did he come back old if there time he wasnt gone long?
Calling it a timeline is confusing, just say "realities" and it makes way more sense.
@@chrislopez5301 Hulk said it would be 5 seconds for us but Cap can take as long as he needed to return the stones, so he did. And decided to live a full life with Peggy up till her death, which is why he looks 80+ years old.
@@HermanFalckHow were geeks, the whole point is to care.
Just as i warmed up this pizza..you dropped this... God Bless you KindaFunny !
MCU time travel works like DBZ time travel. You can’t go back in time and change events in your timeline as that could alter events that would lead to you time travelling in the first place. Instead an alternate branching timeline is created. The Avengers created four alternate timelines when they got the stones. Their original plan was after the stones were used to undo the snap they’d be returned to the alternate timelines where they were taken to minimize the changes to them. Of course two of those timelines were permanently changed with Loki’s escape and Thanos’ death. In the end Cap returned all the stones and then went to a new timeline where he lived with Peggy. He returned to the main timeline to give Sam the shield
I started tearing up when Tim said, “You can rest now.” Like omg I need to see this movie again
Wow. Shotout to Dabuque, Iowa!! Of all the cities here in Iowa to know, dunno how you pulled that one!
I was also blown away by that. I was like wow that's so cool!
How close is that to Des Moines?
The movie references Ratchet & Clank when Tony calls Rocket "Ratchet" while Rocket is holding a wrench. EDIT: Wow ok so it was some people on the internet who told me he was carrying a wrench, but I saw it again and he was carrying a hammer at the time... Welp. I also read that something to do with how the line is translated in different language versions indicates that it's an intentional reference, but idk internet people could be fucking me over with that too.
I just brushed that off as a coincidence, but maybe it is a reference now that I think about it.
VooDooChild6971
They like games so they would know, and Tony has a habit of making references.
This is how the time worked with Captain America:. There were two caps in the past, the future cap (2nd cap) went back and did not affect anything that would change the time. He knew when to be at the bench. He existed in the same time as the Cap who was an Avenger, fought Thanos and then went back in Time. It's not that hard to understand, he just stayed OUT of meddling with the timeline.
So when we got the Cap vs Cap scene during the battle of New York, there was also a 3rd old man Cap that was living with Peggy.
Doesnt matter if he stayed out of trouble or not- The act of going back in time physically puts someone in a different timeline. Your still thinking like BTTF logic, they take time and effort to loudly explain it doesn't work how you are describing.
@@jadenedaj I'm literally not. In fact, your type of thinking IS BTTF logic. Like...how do you not see this?
Watching this in 2021 feels like we are still in the first act of this movie...Miss the vibe of all of them in the studio!
Also, the 5-year aging thing puts the Spider-Man movies in an interesting place too - doesn't that mean Miles Morales could be 5 years older and closer to Peter's age now?
Hero of Twilight ooooo never thought about that 🤔
What? Morales isn't in the MCU yet.
@@timc2620 He hasn't been formally introduced yet, but they make direct reference to him in Homecoming. Go to the funny interrogation scene. Aaron Davis (Miles' uncle) tells Spider-Man that he doesn't want Vulture's weapons on the streets because he has a little nephew who lives in the area. Also, in that same scene the license plate on the car references the issue that Miles first appears in.
@@timc2620 yea but Donald glover shows up in homecoming as his uncle, so Miles probably exists. And if he survived the snap he would be 5 years older.
Well how old was he supposed to be when spiderman homecoming came out? Miles also could've been snapped so maybe not
I agree with kev. At first I thought repeat viewings were going to be a bit “tough” because there is sooo much in this movie. But after seeing it again for a second time, I was wrong. this movie stands up well to repeated viewing. I had tears with a huge grin on my face during the final battle.
Hulk: “He blew right by his time stamp he should have been back by now.”
This indicates that Steve did in fact go into the future and came back to be at the bench. Tim is right.
This video makes me feel everything I felt in the theatre opening night and hearing you guys describe it brought all those feelings back and just made for a wonderful podcast that spruced up a pretty shitty day
Everyone keeps forgetting that Cap grabbed FOUR Pym particle tubes in the 1970s. Two for them to get back but what about the other two?
Your math is bad, he needs to return 6 stones to 5 locations, that's at least 6 trips
Probably just in case something went wrong again
Hank was unsnapped. Can create endless particles.
Loved the movie. A perfect ending to the MCU as we know it.
Didn’t even finish this MCU in review
And now I’m back at the theater watching it again.
So when Captain America goes to return the Reality Stone, does he have put back inside Jane Foster?
No, what makes you think that? He could even put it on a different planet, as long as its in that universe its fine.
Technically yes they have to put them back where they found them as to not fracture the timeline.
-The Ancient One need the time stone back or else it would never end up in the hands of Dr Strange and he never would have stopped Dormammu
-the power stone needed to be back in the vault so Star Lord could find it and the events of Guardians
-the soul stone would be returned to Vormir and there are some discrepancies with as to what happened to the soul it took Gamora/Widow
-the reality Stone would need to be put “back in to Jane” as so the events of the Dark World could play out properly
-the space stone/tesseract would need to be put back in 1970 so the future of the MCU could play out as such
-the mind stone /scepter needed to be put back in the case right after avengers so that Wanda & Pietro would be created and eventually Vision
Like The Ancient One said they all form the time stream and if taken out of their path then it would create fractured and branching timelines so as to remedy that they can be taken out but must be put back where they were found as to recomplete the timestream
That's not what the ancient one was saying, there would still be multiple timelines. None of the other stones really matter, putting them back was kinda pointless, oh no a world without Vision, who cares
Ace Jaden Angel no she was saying that they need to be put back to keep the time stream in place. Remove them you create an alternate branching reality/timeline but if you put it back where it was the time stream would not be affected and no alternate realities would be created. They have to put them back or else they break time and interrupt the time stream creating many different timelines/realities.
Now it’s canon what Bran Stark was doing during Season 8 EP 3 of GOT.
He saved Ant Man
Jorge Goias He controlled that rat, huh?
Here almost a year later! I miss this hype. Wish I could rewatch Endgame for the first time.
Didn't get a post credit scene...but this 2 hr review will certainly fit the void!
The still best line of MCU : That's my secret Cap, I'm always angry....
"I like this one.... Another!"
Yeah r
Yeah Ty
I've been listening to the podcast version while waiting for this. Awesome job as always, guys.
The 4 of them going to Morag together and then splitting up has a reasonable excuse: It's easy to send them to the same year, but two different places in the same year, however, is too much of a risk.
After I saw Renner's haircut in the trailer, I got that hawk & had it for a year (pretty much til covid made me cut). I stand by that that cut is cool. Esp since I'm def a Hawkeye stan.
I don’t think Infinity War is incredibly rewatchable, it’s weird that everyone keeps saying that. To me, Infinity War is incredibly taxing emotionally even more so than this film in a weird way considering what happens. The snap is such a monumental defeat for our heroes and it feels like a gut punch every time, I am not happy or excited at the end of IF (not that that’s a bad thing)
22. Thor 2 4-
21. Capt Marvel 5+
20. Iron Man 2 7-
19. Ed Norton's Hulk 8-
18. Thor 8-
17. GOTG Vol. 2 8-
16. Iron Man 3 8-
15. Ant-Man 8-
14. Ant-Man & Wasp 8-
13. Black Panther 8-
12. Captain America 8-
11. Homecoming 8-
10. Dr. Strange 9+
9. Age Of Ultron 10+
8. Infinity War 10+
7. Endgame 10+
6. Ragnarok 10+
5. Iron Man 10+
4. Avengers 10+
3. Winter Soldier 10+
2. GOTG 10+
1. Civil War 10+
looking back on this in 2021, andy might legitimately called how they bring black widow back in the loki series.
The Russo Brothers explained that cap is worthy because he does not have the guilt of Tony’s parents anymore
Really? That's dumb. I like the idea of him just faking being unable to lift the hammer to keep Thor happy.
@@MikeSW I think the opposite. I don't like that idea at all - it leans more into the side of Steve's character that people found uninteresting (faultless, perfect, etc.) He can be a genuinely good person and still make a mistake every now and then. And the mistake/guilt of not being honest with Tony is big enough to stop him from not being worthy in my opinion. I think it's much better storytelling.
@@thefakejoey8549 That's worse storytelling. You can't actively make an inference to that end - you have to be told later on. The AoU scene has the info readily available to interpret. You see the hammer move, you can't say for certain if he can pick it up or if he falls on some imaginary spectrum close to "worthiness." If the reason is guilt, you have to wait for an entirely different movie to be told by the writers that the scene had that significance - there is no way to know or guess as a viewer.
@@thefakejoey8549 Cleary guilt isn't enough to make you unworthy. Thor was clearly still feeling guilty after the chat with his mother and he called Mjoulnir. He may have reconciled some doubts but was still clearly guilty about not "going for the head".
I am so glad this review was longer than most of the others. Also Andy was saying they may have went too long with the time trace talk but at no point was I annoyed. Thanks for the epic review
the most goddamn intense football game ever was the end of Avengers: Endgame
@@HermanFalckHow cuz Patriots fans don't see intense football games? I don't catch your drift
U guys gonna do Star Wars in review before episode 9?
Now that would be good
I think they will but closer to episode 9
They already said they were going to in one of the mcu in review vids. Forget which one.
They agreed upon "groups of four" when entering the quantum realm, so i'm assuming that's why Nat and Clint went with War Machine and Nebula, instead of going straight to Volmir right away.
Thor and Rocket were a team. Thatsa two
So I didn't see anyone say so in the comments, but I want to say they didn't send Hawkeye and Black Widow directly to Vormir because... Gamora and Thanos were the only ones who knew it's exact location after having gone there (based on a map that Gamora memorized and then destroyed, per Infinity War), and they're both dead.
Being teleported to a location you think you might know where it is (and possibly being wrong and then sent adrift in space and potentially wasting Pym Particles to be retrieved) is a lot different from letting the ship auto-pilot to where a place is meant to be, and then landing it there once you see it.
Does that make sense? Nebula only implies she knew where they went (IIRC), but not the exact quantum coordinates, or whatever. So they had to hoof it the last bit. We've either seen the other characters physically BE at the other locations (NYC and Camp Lehigh) or it's reasonable that they've been at some point for some reason or another. Nobody other than Thanos or Gamora should know precisely where Vormir is.
Asgardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1 - The Hunt for Green Gamora
I get blindsided every single episode by how high Guardians 2 is. HOW?
I know, it is not even better than GOTG 1
Watching it again, Yondu and how hard it hit all of them. Also Gaurdians 2 is like one of 5 movies in this series that'll make ya cry
It’s so good. Marvel doing Sci-fi
Civil War, Ant-Man, Black Panther all have cold opens. Could me missing one or two.
Also Iron Man 3, Guardians 1 and Homecoming
NinjaJamez good call!!!
Avengers as well
Tony Shade
I’m ashamed of everyone forgetting Starlord losing his mom, easily the most powerful one.
YOU MADE ME WAIT FIVE DAYS FOR THIS. FIIIIIIVE DAYS. I WANTED THIS AS SOON AS I WALKED OUT OF THE THEATER.
One more thought...Hulk literally accidentally made a fountain of youth. He passed time through Scott Lang and turned him into a baby. Maybe he could do something similar on a certain old man on a bench :P
Felt as giddy after Endgame as I did after the first Avengers movie. Bravooooooo!
Still waiting for someone to explain just what makes Captain Marvel 'overpowered' in the same series where a guy has a suit that absorbs damage and reflects it and literal magic but someone who has glowy hands and a vendetta against spaceships is unfair
i read that the reason the music for the logo and title sound less impressive is because they were played with half of the normal orchestra
The entire point of that earthquake bit is to show how nothing is actually happening on Earth. Why do people just assume it’s a Namor reference?
Max Marriner bc it is
I watched it for the second time last night and noticed so many bittersweet intricate details I missed the last time. I noticed some dialogues because I knew the ending. I'll watch it at least one more time.
I really like Tim’s theory about the time travel, it makes the most sense, and it abides by all the rules given in the movie.
ahahahhaa was just gonna say y'all should have done the signature credits scene but the Kevin laugh is perfect
Before i even get in to watching this epic review i know it's gonna be a good one since i spent a good 10/15 minutes at 8:03 just for that epic plot intro and the smiles on everyones faces, this is gonna be good
The movie explains in the simplest way it can that there aren't multiple timelines. The Ancient One/Sorcerer Supreme shows us the timeline as it exists, and shows that alternate timelines are only created when an Infinity Stone is removed from a point in time.
About the time travel: I thought in the conversation between Professor Hulk and The Ancient One, Hulk said that replacing the Infinity Stones at the exact time and place that they were taken erases the alternate timelines (since the Infinity Stones are singularities, or something like that). I'm rewatching it again on Friday, so I'll try to play closer attention to that part.
No. The Ancient One was just showing how messed up their timeline would be without the stone. Hulk was just showing that if he brought the stone back after using it her timeline would be fine.
@@jadenedaj Oh okay, got it. Thanks.
1:06:10 I don't think it makes full sense for why they went together to the different planets but they only had 1 ship to take back in time with them so they had to go together. I don't think they said this properly in the movie but it sounded like they couldn't go any*where*, only places they've been physically but at any time period
He wasn't worthy to hold the hammer because he knew about Bucky killing Tony's parents. After Civil War he became worthy.
Finally, been waiting for this day since I left the theater Friday!
From what I understand the Stones just need to be returned to the exact moment they were removed from the timeline, so the Soul Stone doesn't go back to where it was with Red Skull protecting it. It just is returned to where Hawkeye removed it from that timeline
I love the small shining moments from the characters we know will be the future of the MCU - especially the Gauntlet being passed from Black Panther to Spider-Man to Captain Marvel. That plus Thor's future puts the MCU in an interesting place.
Tim completely understood the timeline! it was indeed an alternate timeline.
Your top Marvel list is not that bad. To me, the First Guardians movie is better than the Second one.
Listening to Kevin's time travel theories has been the most frustrating thing to do today haha. They explain it in the movie why can't he let go of the idea that they're changing the future by changing the past?
well pretty much any famous time travel movie is about going to the past to fix something in the future. Looper, Deadpool 2 credits, Terminator, whatever. People cant get the idea of agency and time as a linear flow out of their minds
Kevs timetravel is not correct...Tim is right!
let's' be honest. when IS kev right??
Imagine if hulk and widow went to get the soul stone instead. But only widow can sacrifice herself because the hulk cant die that easy.
The "Avengers Assemble" moment didn't really hit me compared to most other things because I was just wondering how many of them could actually hear him
They all had coms.
The crew's issue with Vormir is easy to explain. They don't know exactly where it is. The only people we know of that went there are both dead. Hawkeye has never been to space, and presumably Black Widow only once. Better to have Nebula do the driving, I would think. Also, it has zero impact on the plot, so it's moot.
The thing about old Cap messing up the time line that people aren't thinking about is that Cap created an alternate time line and we were in it the entire time.
One thought. Nick goes off on then not really needing the true gauntlet. But they do. Its showd many times that the stones are killing anyone including Thanos when he puts on the glove. Thanos' gauntlet had magical properties (which you mention but don't go into) that channel the stones. Like how the Tesseract, the Ether, or Loki's staff channel the power so non-God like beings could touch and use the stones without dying.
the nano stuff is powerful, it could possibly handle it, for me I file that tiny nitpick under "willing suspension of belief"
Tim is correct, they specifically say you can't change the past of this timeline. When you change anything you create a separate timeline. Banner says if they put all the stones back, then taking the stones won't create a separate timeline, but taking the stones aren't the only thing that can change the timeline. That's why new Nebula can kill old Nebula and still be alive. Because those separate timelines can't change the main timeline that we've been living in since 2008. Cap lived with Peggy in another timeline and came back as an old man. Could have come back to the platform 30 minutes or a day before, because he knew they were going to be there at that exact time to send him back to return the stones and Mjolner. IGN also has a good video about it. But Tim is correct.
Greg says everyone can flip flop at the end, moment nick flip flops Greg puts him down 😞
11:16 The Leftovers mentioned by Andy - The Leftovers In Review?!? :p
please. this.
@@ryandlv Just imagine Greg trying to recap the plot of some of those funky episodes...*o*
Nick trying to hide him tearing up made this video for me
Nick took Kevin's hammer ROFL
1:00:00 According to Dr. Strange, the chance of survival was so low with such specific conditions that I buy that Cap could be the Cap of another dimension that did the same strategy. So all Caps move 1 dimension over after Thanos.
You guys talk about how bucky and cap know eachother so well and he says i'm gonna miss you
It's a callback to the first avenger where the roles are switched where Buckys leaving for the war and says: "Don't do anything crazy while i'm gone" and Steve replies: "How could I? You're taking all the crazy with you"
This is what they say to eachother when they don't know if they're going to come back so cap was saying to him that he's leaving
stupid* not crazy
Ugh, I was on board the whole time until they ranked Thanos underneath MBJ's vanilla basic bitch "my daddy died so im cranky" villain.
Cap went back in time and lived in an alternate reality. He then waited until sometime AFTER the day he originally went back in time, and used pymm particles to go back in time and arrive on the bench. This way he doesn't need to use the time pad. We saw the characters using pymm particles to go back in time to any point - the only time they needed the time pad was when coming back to the present/future. It works! No plot hole.
Nope. He lived in the exact same timeline with the rules established. Nothing forked to make an alternate timeline. This stuff was established in the movie and is super simple once you understand the ruleset.
@@timc2620 Let's say that's true - so Steve was always there and married to Peggy? Those are his children? That would mean that the 2023 avengers were always there in the background in 2012 before taking the stones and creating the alternate reality? I don't think so, none of that was claimed in the movie and you can't have one without the other. Happy to hear your thoughts on that though
Tim you are wrong. Every time anyone goes back in time it makes an alternate timeline. (Unless its a timeline that someone has already gone back to before) Did you think Cap went back into the prime timeline? Because that is impossible, they explain that so much I'm not sure how you could miss it. Amaid's logic makes sense... Although that does mean that all they need to do is get someone from one of the other timelines to go back and kill Thanos as a baby, because it seems like they can travel to whenever they feel like in the other timelines.. Making the whole concept of "fixed timelines" kinda bullshit if you ask me... Hell, why didn't they kill baby-thanos for all the other timelines, just to be nice???
@@jadenedaj They could go back and kill baby thanos but that would only help people from that new reality that they would be creating, not them or anyone else.
Yeah so why don't they? They are creating a timeline, it may as well be one without Thanos
Kevin just not getting the time lines (or you could say seeing the timelines differently than me tim Benny for from Comicstorian and the Russo Brothers) was the funniest part of this in review this watch
I think the reason they dont go directly to Vormir is because they just know that the Soul Stone was on Vormir and none of them had actually been to there? Since they all get sent to places they've actually been?
There being "Two Captain Americas the whole time" doesn't work. That means you're accepting that everything the Avengers did while they were in the past, has affected the future. Not only did Hulk explain that kind of idea away by saying we can't change our present or future by changing the past, but also, Loki would have escaped with the Tessaract.
The whole point was that they were not going into the past to change the present, because that's not how time works in the MCU. That's why they were forced to bring new infinity stones to the present.
*I Guess we can thank Starlord for this awesome movie*