My ancestor was transported to Australia in the late 18th century for stealing from a shop in a place near Manchester Cathedral called Smithy Door. I did some research and it turns out that Smithy Door got its name from a man who once took his whole front door to court to prove that he was owed money by someone who had scribbled an IOU on the door.
Belle Vue was one of the biggest tourist attractions in the country which hosted music halls, a zoo and a theme park. The likes of T Rex played there for example at the concert hall. Also, the ‘dogs’ as I called it as a kid was a great night!
I believe Bell Vue was also in direct competition with Pomona when it was still outside of the industrialised centre of Manchester as a sort of pleasure resort.
I was raised in Smedley road, Cheetham. Its not mentioned here. It was bordered by collyhurst. Harpurhey, crumpsal, and cheetham hill. Most people didnt seem to know that Cheetham was a district in its own right.
Hey Ollie. Brilliant vlog. Proper pissed my pants watching this. Your enthusiasm and engaging character really make what you do really interesting and educational. I now know where shit comes from. 🤔 lol. The outtakes at the end were so funny, Definitely need more of that.
Well done Ollie. Your 'weatherman' approach made good use of your green wall, and a fun way to have a tour of the city...10 out of 10 for imagination and ingenuity. Early life spent in C-on-M, teenage years in Fallowfield, and I've just learnt things I never knew about either....cheers! Thanks for giving me a chuckle 😂👍
You certainly packed a lot of information into 18 minutes Ollie. I like your presentation style and the green screen along with your logo T shirt really gave the video a 'buzz'. Well done.
Thanks for your videos, just came upon them! For most of the 19th century my forefathers lived in Manchester, where they were involved in the cotton industry as brass & iron founders, engineers, and machine makers. So these videos are super interesting to me, especially this one, having read all those names all the time for years, but never really having heard anything about them apart from their name, or even having heard them being pronounced. Someday I’ll visit the city! Until then I’ll be always looking forward to the next video.
Gosh, do visit Manchester! There are so many interesting places to see there. My forebears all came to Manchester from various places in the 19th century. It must have been a hard place to live then. I'm from Manchester. I don't live too far away now but I'm fiercely proud of what Manchester has achieved. Best wishes to you.
Lessons in Latin taught me that "-chester" came from "castra", the Roman word for an army camp. I would suggest that the "Man" part of today's name does indeed refer to the official Roman name of the town, but the rest is a nod to the military settlement, just like Lancaster, Chester, and many others I am curious about the explanation for the river Mersey, being the boundary between Northumbria and Mercia. Mersey sounds a lot like Mercia, doesn't it?
Another great vid. The history of Manchester is vast and much can be learned from place names. I was taught that Chorlton was derived from the words Churl and Ton. Churl etymology being Old English Ceorl and possibly an Anglo Saxon name for a non bonded peasant the lowest free class and Ton being as you described a settlement of a number of residences a village, hamlet etc. and can also refer to a farm Ceolfrith which in those times, farms were much like a settlement in or adjacent to land being farmed. A serf could be released from bondage in a number of ways, one being to runaway from ones master and surviving without re capture for one year and one day. The christian name Carl (sorry Mr. Pilkington) also refers to the person being of the lowest class a Churl. I don't know the origins of Hardy other than Hearda is a place of high land near a supply of water, but perhaps it could be that those that built on the other side of Chorlton Brook saw themselves as somewhat higher status than the Churls or Serfs across the stream and called their settlement Hearda so as not to be confused with the lowly Churls of Churlston. LOL. Anyhow "cum" quite rightly is Latin for "with" Perhaps the Romans put the Heardites in their place by referring them as being with the Churls, or perhaps it means "A farm settlement on high ground in a place of good farming with plentiful water". Ref. Chorlton cum Hardy Through Time by Steven Dickens
Excellent. I was speaking to someone from Chorlton about this very thing and he insisted that Hardy was named after someone called Haerda. I will admit, there's a lot of different possibilities so I'll take your explanation with open arms. And yeah, I probbaly should have explained Ceorl/Churl a bit more. Thanks!
You have done it again Ollie a superb video 👍, Could you do one about Trafford (Stretford, Sale, Alty, Urmston, Trafford Park etc) pls, I am very interested in the history of Gorse Hill.
Thank you for that interesting talk about what was my home city many years ago. The 1841 census has my ancestors living in Pump Yard, Cock Gates which is now where the Print Works stands. My first 20 years were spent in Levenshulme before moving away via Withington, Heaton Chapel, Reddish and finally rural Worcestershire. I've seen it suggested that "wic" in a placename implied a industrial settlement as a opposed to an agricultural settlement.
I used to live in Cheetham in the 60s and 70s. We always distinguished between Cheetham and Cheetham Hill; Cheetham being the lower (or southern) part and Cheetham Hill being the upper (or northern) part of the borough. The boundary is the junction on Cheetham Hill Road at Waterloo Road and Greenhill Road. There are areas like Hightown and Cheetwood, which may or may not have been part of Cheetham, but were distinct areas. The boundary between Manchester and Salford here is also worth an investigation, as it wanders about a bit, following some old ditch (?) perhaps!!
Funny how us northerners see ourselves and that north south thing. Going back as far as the old northumbria border, Aethelstan and all that, Sheffield was half in, half out and to this day, if you're born roughly above that line you're a true Sheffield, northern lad and below it, a bit poncey half southern 🤣. Mad but true, and the difference can be nowt more than a mile or so.
Moss side, I think may just mean south side. As moss in the northern hemisphere grows far faster on tree trunks that’ll get the south facing sun. And often plants were used as navigation, looking for stronger roots that’ll burrow southwards. Ofc flipped for Southern Hemisphere.
All of Manchester's suburbs? What about old Trafford, Stretford, Urmston, flixton, partington, sale, Altrincham, timperley,Hyde, Denton ? And I'm sure there's loads I've missed. I loved hearing the etymology of the place names but it was far from as comprehensive as was made out, I think we need a part 2.
None of those are in Manchester (i.e., the modern borough, which is what this video is about). The first few are in Trafford, the last ones are in Tameside.
Thank you for mentioning my book in your references. However, Miles Platting is named for the road that crosses Newton Brook, not Shooters Brook. Newton Brook joins Shooters Brook near Butler Street. And The River Tib was not named by a homesick Roman; that was meant to be a joke!
Ollie my father was born in Manchester.He told me that an uncle of his was general manager of a theatre and as a young boy he was able to stand at the back of the theatre for nothing and watch the shows. I am sure he said the theatre was Adsheads or something similar? I have not been able to find anything about it. Also he said that the buses ran from ‘ Allsaints , Rushome to .? I just can’t remember.
I care about the Saxon name Roebuck. It traced back to 1113 by my father. Spelling different because it was recorded by monks and many wrote what they heard . Good to have explanation, I live in Africa and my grandchildren always ask what it was like in my childhood. When i told them thought i was telling lies.
So you've missed places like Failsworth and Droylsden, I assume because they now do not form part of Manchester, however prior to 1972 you would definitely have included them. Failsworth now part of Oldham (Met Borough) and Droylsden part of Ashton-u-Lyne (Tameside) but most of the residents consider themselves Mancs and is certainly reflected in their accents.
They never formed part of Manchester. Whether or not they identify more with Manchester than Oldham, they were independent districts before 1974. The only change to Manchester in 1974 was the addition of Ringway. A lot of these outer suburbs like Droylsden, Failsworth, or Stretford had the opportunity to become a part of Manchester when the city was rapidly expanding in area between 1885 and 1909 and their local leaders (and often residents) refused. The only major change to Manchester’s shape in the last century was when the corporation bought up what is now Wythenshawe for its slum clearance and resettlement scheme.
What 'appened to Stretford? As for roads "Great Stone Road" there is a stone outside Gorse HIll Park (I think) which was said to be used in the great plague, it has hollows in it that vinegar was put in and money for goods was exchanged through this putting it in this vinegar, or so the story went. The stone was still there when I went to Great Stone Secondary Modern school. Raised to the ground when I last looked at Google Maps. There is an Edward Charlton Road named after Eddie Charlton who won the Victoria Cross in the second world war. His exploits were illustrated in a local comic when I was a kid, "The Lion" maybe. I remember they had to change the street name because they'd spelled it wrong, with and "O" as Chorlton. There was a Tib street which used to have Army & Navy stores in it and I guess was over the culverted Tib river you noted.
Really fun and interesting that! Thanks. By the way, if you see an Anglo-Saxon/Old English word with sc- it is pronounced 'sh' not 'sk' ...so the Shooters Brooke explanation makes a bit more sense (scites!) and Old English 'g' is more often than not pronounced 'y' (or sometimes 'w' such as the ancestral word for 'shaw': sceag). Just a few tips for Anglo-Saxon/Old English words you might encounter. Anyway, I really enjoyed the video. I look forward to more!
Reminds me of the Map Men channel, thats great work on these place names. Always wondered about these origins. Of course, Whalley is pronounced Wall-E or Wall-y. :)
Being an exiled collyhurst kid I miss manchestor every day. Until I go back there. 60'/70's/80's were ace. Wonder what happened, particularly to cheetham hill and Gorton?
River Tib (Tiber) is interesting as I have previously hypothesised that it originally continued a westerly course near its end to pass the Roman Fort and join the Medlock further on. Being spring fed, it would have been an obvious water source for the fort. Has anyone got a pre industrial map of the city?
I was born in the Manchester Northern Hospital. And played as a child in the terraced streets of Cheetham Hill. The borough was a poor area and poverty and deprivation existed. I remember leaving my cycle outside the house unlocked and it never got stolen. We were all poor but looked after each other. That poverty still exists in our country today some 70 years later which is a serious failure of society. Those who have, those who have not. The rough tough violence area of Manchester back then was Moss Side I seem to remember.
Years ago Manchester would dump It's sewage in Liverpool Bay and they had two boats with opening bottoms for this, there was a TV programm about them and the captain said It might be a load of shit to you but It's my bread and butter.
It seems that there was once a habitation in Manchester called Seddon (possibly meaning "wooded marsh", which is consistent with the character of the locality). Seddon can't be identified as a place from records, but survives as a habitation-derived surname which was most prevalent in Manchester and first recorded in the 14th Century. Habitation and topographic surnames have remained very strongly geographically correlated with their places of origin, well into the era of the National Census even centuries after they are disused as place-names.
very interesting - great film - I think Irk and Irwell far older names than anglo-saxon though. I read that Irk means 'little mad (i.e. fast-flowing) river, the 'k' being a diminutive suffix now only found in Slavik languages - like 'ska' in Polish or Russian... presumably Irwell meant river with some other properties... River names very mysterious - see here for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_European_hydronymy
Mersey still is the border river between Lancashire and Cheshire, North of the Mersey is Lancashire south of it is Cheshire. Before anyone says otherwise look up the Historic and never disbanded County Palatine of Lancashire.
Bradford was renamed beswick, I remember Bradford pit , belle Vue was a prison ,the ghost train being the centre with spokes leading off it there use to be cottages on hunters Lane ( Hyde Road to red gate lane ) that where prison guards Houses
Hey Oli! I was born in Davyhulme (which you mention) and grew up around urmston and flixton. I always thought I was Manc. But I'm not.....? (Sad face emoticon) My mum's people were all Oldham folk, which will please you...)
There's a bit of Sheffield called shooters grove, I always wondered why it was called that, so it's the place people dumped their shit? I always thought that was Rotherham 🤣
Oi! Have less! I live in (a less shit part of) Rotherham. Funnily enough I went to Uni in Salford which has the same relationship with Manchester that Rotherham does with Sheffield. How did you get here? Via Pat Dickinson & Martin Zero videos like me?
@@antonycharnock2993 Yeah, I love Pat D and Martin zero's stuff. This lad's great aswell, he shows you things that are off limits to most people. I'm into social history and like seeing what's left of our industrial past, it's fascinating. Pat does the wild camping aswell, I've done a good bit myself and during lockdown especially it's been a bit of an escape watching his videos. Well, I did "Have less" infact no Rotherham baiting at all.......it's not that bad really.....just a small town in Sheffield 😂
Just like the businessman who set up Whalley Range, I was born in Whalley, Lancashire. However they are pronounced differently. You correctly pronounced Whalley Range, which phonetically is Wol-e but the one in Lancashire is pronounced Wall-e.
I must take issue with your description of the name Gorton. Gore does not mean 'dirty' it refers to 'blood' and Gore Brook is reputed to have run red with blood from a battle fought in the valley between the Vikings and the Anglo Saxons.
How did you get "Ir" from Roebuck/Deer? You also said a lot of "possibly's" and "probably's" and " I think's" and "I guess so's", so does this mean those place names are not definites and are just you hazarding a guess at best? Also, "Black-ley" with "Ley" meaning "Wood", I think not, "Ley" in a name whether it be a place or a person comes from "Lea", "Leigh" and "Ley" all variants of the same name meaning "meadow", "a fallow or untilled flat open field".
The Pennines were not named after the Appenines. The Romans were not Italians who conquered and replaced native populations. They were a military economic franchise that simply offered native populations an offer they couldn't refuse. The names simply come from the same root language. Latin place names in England are usually medievil and ecclesiastical.
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I am from Poland. I live in Oldham 13years and is good to now some history of new place where we live😀 Thank you !
My ancestor was transported to Australia in the late 18th century for stealing from a shop in a place near Manchester Cathedral called Smithy Door. I did some research and it turns out that Smithy Door got its name from a man who once took his whole front door to court to prove that he was owed money by someone who had scribbled an IOU on the door.
Live in Wythenshawe, family has roots in Ancoats. Love where I’m from. Wouldn’t want to be from anywhere else. Manc and proud.
Top man!
'Great video. 'Thanks for sharing.
I was reliably informed that it was called Whalley Range as it offered a range of wallies.
@@TheBenson51 lmao
Ancoats,,,,,,,,,,, angel meadow book Manchester scuttlers great read
Belle Vue was one of the biggest tourist attractions in the country which hosted music halls, a zoo and a theme park. The likes of T Rex played there for example at the concert hall. Also, the ‘dogs’ as I called it as a kid was a great night!
Don’t forget the speedway track
@@unklejon4690 They’ve got rid of that now haven’t they?
I believe Bell Vue was also in direct competition with Pomona when it was still outside of the industrialised centre of Manchester as a sort of pleasure resort.
Rod Stewart played there too I believe.
Saw the Stones and Quo there back in the 70s
I was raised in Smedley road, Cheetham. Its not mentioned here. It was bordered by collyhurst. Harpurhey, crumpsal, and cheetham hill.
Most people didnt seem to know that Cheetham was a district in its own right.
Do Salford next... And the other Boroughs' district names too, please!!!
You mean Salfordshire or The Hundred of Salford
I live in Moss Side on Parkside Road, the Moss is still here, primarily on north facing fences that don't get all day sunlight.
I love how you just made all that shit up and kept a straight face , well done !
A brilliant, funny and Informative video Thanks for uploading !
Yes please for Salford
Absolutely beautifully done sir. LOVE the time and brilliance put in. Impressive and VERY enjoyable....Well done
Hey Ollie. Brilliant vlog. Proper pissed my pants watching this. Your enthusiasm and engaging character really make what you do really interesting and educational. I now know where shit comes from. 🤔 lol. The outtakes at the end were so funny, Definitely need more of that.
I'm sure seen this before 😉 Good video. Great channel. Deserves more viewers. Keep up the Manchester history. Greatest city in the world 🐝
Quite interesting to hear more about each name and where it came from. Thank you for sharing!
Nothing like being given a fact with the word "probably" at the end of the phrase lol
Great video, probably lol
Well done Ollie. Your 'weatherman' approach made good use of your green wall, and a fun way to have a tour of the city...10 out of 10 for imagination and ingenuity.
Early life spent in C-on-M, teenage years in Fallowfield, and I've just learnt things I never knew about either....cheers!
Thanks for giving me a chuckle 😂👍
Thanks mate. Glad you liked it!
Another great vid. I have a book on the Pennine Alps West by The Alpine Club and always woundred about the conection. Thanks for that Pete.
funniest one and my favourite!! I want to see the street names one now!
Having been born on Every Street in Manchester I think it would be very interesting to look at the street names
You certainly packed a lot of information into 18 minutes Ollie. I like your presentation style and the green screen along with your logo T shirt really gave the video a 'buzz'. Well done.
Salford? the true beating heart of Mancville through the ages ;-) Great vid thanks
Thank you for your sharing! I’m a new Manc.
Thanks for your videos, just came upon them!
For most of the 19th century my forefathers lived in Manchester, where they were involved in the cotton industry as brass & iron founders, engineers, and machine makers. So these videos are super interesting to me, especially this one, having read all those names all the time for years, but never really having heard anything about them apart from their name, or even having heard them being pronounced.
Someday I’ll visit the city! Until then I’ll be always looking forward to the next video.
Gosh, do visit Manchester! There are so many interesting places to see there. My forebears all came to Manchester from various places in the 19th century. It must have been a hard place to live then. I'm from Manchester. I don't live too far away now but I'm fiercely proud of what Manchester has achieved. Best wishes to you.
Brilliant. Looking forward to a GM one
You and me both!
Lessons in Latin taught me that "-chester" came from "castra", the Roman word for an army camp. I would suggest that the "Man" part of today's name does indeed refer to the official Roman name of the town, but the rest is a nod to the military settlement, just like Lancaster, Chester, and many others
I am curious about the explanation for the river Mersey, being the boundary between Northumbria and Mercia. Mersey sounds a lot like Mercia, doesn't it?
Absolutely loved this video
Another great vid. The history of Manchester is vast and much can be learned from place names.
I was taught that Chorlton was derived from the words Churl and Ton. Churl etymology being Old English Ceorl and possibly an Anglo Saxon name for a non bonded peasant the lowest free class and Ton being as you described a settlement of a number of residences a village, hamlet etc. and can also refer to a farm Ceolfrith which in those times, farms were much like a settlement in or adjacent to land being farmed. A serf could be released from bondage in a number of ways, one being to runaway from ones master and surviving without re capture for one year and one day. The christian name Carl (sorry Mr. Pilkington) also refers to the person being of the lowest class a Churl.
I don't know the origins of Hardy other than Hearda is a place of high land near a supply of water, but perhaps it could be that those that built on the other side of Chorlton Brook saw themselves as somewhat higher status than the Churls or Serfs across the stream and called their settlement Hearda so as not to be confused with the lowly Churls of Churlston. LOL.
Anyhow "cum" quite rightly is Latin for "with" Perhaps the Romans put the Heardites in their place by referring them as being with the Churls, or perhaps it means "A farm settlement on high ground in a place of good farming with plentiful water".
Ref. Chorlton cum Hardy Through Time by Steven Dickens
Excellent. I was speaking to someone from Chorlton about this very thing and he insisted that Hardy was named after someone called Haerda. I will admit, there's a lot of different possibilities so I'll take your explanation with open arms.
And yeah, I probbaly should have explained Ceorl/Churl a bit more. Thanks!
This was very interesting
Fantastic video and very funny.
Thanks glad you liked it!
Really informative
You have done it again Ollie a superb video 👍, Could you do one about Trafford (Stretford, Sale, Alty, Urmston, Trafford Park etc) pls, I am very interested in the history of Gorse Hill.
I'm sure you must know that before it became a massive used car sales place, Belle Vue was an amusement park, zoo and gardens.
Very interesting...and thanks for adding the bloopers.
Thank you for that interesting talk about what was my home city many years ago. The 1841 census has my ancestors living in Pump Yard, Cock Gates which is now where the Print Works stands. My first 20 years were spent in Levenshulme before moving away via Withington, Heaton Chapel, Reddish and finally rural Worcestershire. I've seen it suggested that "wic" in a placename implied a industrial settlement as a opposed to an agricultural settlement.
Excellent presentation thanks
I used to live in Cheetham in the 60s and 70s. We always distinguished between Cheetham and Cheetham Hill; Cheetham being the lower (or southern) part and Cheetham Hill being the upper (or northern) part of the borough. The boundary is the junction on Cheetham Hill Road at Waterloo Road and Greenhill Road.
There are areas like Hightown and Cheetwood, which may or may not have been part of Cheetham, but were distinct areas. The boundary between Manchester and Salford here is also worth an investigation, as it wanders about a bit, following some old ditch (?) perhaps!!
Funny how us northerners see ourselves and that north south thing. Going back as far as the old northumbria border, Aethelstan and all that, Sheffield was half in, half out and to this day, if you're born roughly above that line you're a true Sheffield, northern lad and below it, a bit poncey half southern 🤣. Mad but true, and the difference can be nowt more than a mile or so.
Thank you. I like Cheetham Hill by the way, despite my little joke in the video. I've felt really bad about it since
That was fun 😀
Amazing how you managed to pronounce those words without more chuckling, loved the outtakes, keep them coming Ollie 👍
Cheers Ian!
Moss side, I think may just mean south side. As moss in the northern hemisphere grows far faster on tree trunks that’ll get the south facing sun. And often plants were used as navigation, looking for stronger roots that’ll burrow southwards. Ofc flipped for Southern Hemisphere.
It borders or at the side of a moss, ie a "moss" being a large area of boggy ground or a peat bog.
All of Manchester's suburbs? What about old Trafford, Stretford, Urmston, flixton, partington, sale, Altrincham, timperley,Hyde, Denton ? And I'm sure there's loads I've missed. I loved hearing the etymology of the place names but it was far from as comprehensive as was made out, I think we need a part 2.
None of those are in Manchester (i.e., the modern borough, which is what this video is about). The first few are in Trafford, the last ones are in Tameside.
I am really loving your videos! Keep them coming!
Love it. Another great video Ollie. Well done!
Fabulous vlog. I learned so much . And it all makes such sense. 😘😘
Thank you!
Good info, didn’t mention north Manchester ie bury. Maybe next time. A lot of history,👍
Ollie, I love your content, your presentation style, but most of all your accent! What’s not to love? Keep up the good work.
Have we missed , Castlefield, Knot Mill, Chorltonvil, High Town, New Islington, and Abbey Hey, plus a few more? Maps are a very useful tool!
Very good Ollie. Enjoyed the video.
Fascinating
Brilliant, informative and funny too 😁
Thank you for mentioning my book in your references. However, Miles Platting is named for the road that crosses Newton Brook, not Shooters Brook. Newton Brook joins Shooters Brook near Butler Street. And The River Tib was not named by a homesick Roman; that was meant to be a joke!
Have you done the salford one yet? As a resident of Swin(e)to(w)n I would like to see it. Keep up the good work
Love this one, thanks xx
Dr Johnny Clarke might want a word about Salford! ;) Great video by the way :)
Don't know about that but Morrissey's "miserable now". Like he ever was 😂
@@antonycharnock2993 LOL! :D
Ollie my father was born in Manchester.He told me that an uncle of his was general manager of a theatre and as a young boy he was able to stand at the back of the theatre for nothing and watch the shows. I am sure he said the theatre was Adsheads or something similar? I have not been able to find anything about it. Also he said that the buses ran from ‘ Allsaints , Rushome to .?
I just can’t remember.
I care about the Saxon name Roebuck. It traced back to 1113 by my father. Spelling different because it was recorded by monks and many wrote what they heard . Good to have explanation, I live in Africa and my grandchildren always ask what it was like in my childhood. When i told them thought i was telling lies.
Another great video 😂😂 I'll share it to my friends again 👍
Haha thanks mate! Sorry for the multiple uploads.
So you've missed places like Failsworth and Droylsden, I assume because they now do not form part of Manchester, however prior to 1972 you would definitely have included them. Failsworth now part of Oldham (Met Borough) and Droylsden part of Ashton-u-Lyne (Tameside) but most of the residents consider themselves Mancs and is certainly reflected in their accents.
True true. I was quite strict with the modern-day boundary but I know lots of people identify as Mancs from just over the invisible lines.
Totally agree with you. Tameside to me is part of Manchester. I was born and bred in what is now called Tameside but I identify as a Mancunian.
They never formed part of Manchester. Whether or not they identify more with Manchester than Oldham, they were independent districts before 1974. The only change to Manchester in 1974 was the addition of Ringway.
A lot of these outer suburbs like Droylsden, Failsworth, or Stretford had the opportunity to become a part of Manchester when the city was rapidly expanding in area between 1885 and 1909 and their local leaders (and often residents) refused. The only major change to Manchester’s shape in the last century was when the corporation bought up what is now Wythenshawe for its slum clearance and resettlement scheme.
What 'appened to Stretford? As for roads "Great Stone Road" there is a stone outside Gorse HIll Park (I think) which was said to be used in the great plague, it has hollows in it that vinegar was put in and money for goods was exchanged through this putting it in this vinegar, or so the story went. The stone was still there when I went to Great Stone Secondary Modern school. Raised to the ground when I last looked at Google Maps. There is an Edward Charlton Road named after
Eddie Charlton who won the Victoria Cross in the second world war. His exploits were illustrated in a local comic when I was a kid, "The Lion" maybe. I remember they had to change the street name because they'd spelled it wrong, with and "O" as Chorlton. There was a Tib street which used to have Army & Navy stores in it and I guess was over the culverted Tib river you noted.
Really fun and interesting that! Thanks. By the way, if you see an Anglo-Saxon/Old English word with sc- it is pronounced 'sh' not 'sk' ...so the Shooters Brooke explanation makes a bit more sense (scites!) and Old English 'g' is more often than not pronounced 'y' (or sometimes 'w' such as the ancestral word for 'shaw': sceag). Just a few tips for Anglo-Saxon/Old English words you might encounter. Anyway, I really enjoyed the video. I look forward to more!
Reminds me of the Map Men channel, thats great work on these place names. Always wondered about these origins. Of course, Whalley is pronounced Wall-E or Wall-y. :)
The Pennines were only named in the 17th Century. Until then only individual hills had names.
Chorlton means "Cheorls town" a cheorl being a peasant.
I've often wondered, is there a Kirkmanhulme. There is a Kirkmanshulme lane that leads to Belle Vue.
Being an exiled collyhurst kid I miss manchestor every day. Until I go back there.
60'/70's/80's were ace. Wonder what happened, particularly to cheetham hill and Gorton?
Back in the 16th century one of my ancestors married into the Strangeways family. They lived in a manor called Strangeways. Strange, innit?
River Tib (Tiber) is interesting as I have previously hypothesised that it originally continued a westerly course near its end to pass the Roman Fort and join the Medlock further on. Being spring fed, it would have been an obvious water source for the fort.
Has anyone got a pre industrial map of the city?
How about a video on why so many places are named Heaton in the North West area🤔?
1:03 HEYWOOD! HEYWOOD! I saw Heywood shout out for my home town woop woop
I was born in the Manchester Northern Hospital.
And played as a child in the terraced streets of Cheetham Hill.
The borough was a poor area and poverty and deprivation existed.
I remember leaving my cycle outside the house unlocked and it never got stolen.
We were all poor but looked after each other.
That poverty still exists in our country today some 70 years later which is a serious failure of society.
Those who have, those who have not.
The rough tough violence area of Manchester back then was Moss Side I seem to remember.
What a thrilled story, but your surname sounds like it has not English roots.
top vid, enjoyed it
Years ago Manchester would dump It's sewage in Liverpool Bay and they had two boats with opening bottoms for this, there was a TV programm about them and the captain said It might be a load of shit to you but It's my bread and butter.
It seems that there was once a habitation in Manchester called Seddon (possibly meaning "wooded marsh", which is consistent with the character of the locality). Seddon can't be identified as a place from records, but survives as a habitation-derived surname which was most prevalent in Manchester and first recorded in the 14th Century.
Habitation and topographic surnames have remained very strongly geographically correlated with their places of origin, well into the era of the National Census even centuries after they are disused as place-names.
Hi Ollie. Any sign of the next episode of road names and the Salford boroughs yet?
(While you have nothing better to do….) 😉👍
very interesting - great film - I think Irk and Irwell far older names than anglo-saxon though. I read that Irk means 'little mad (i.e. fast-flowing) river, the 'k' being a diminutive suffix now only found in Slavik languages - like 'ska' in Polish or Russian... presumably Irwell meant river with some other properties... River names very mysterious - see here for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_European_hydronymy
Thanks! And that's very interesting to know about the rivers 👍🏽
To the west of Manchester are the Pennines ..... really? Good luck getting to Leeds that way, it will be a good 24,800 miles or so.
Ah no! I blame the fact I was facing the opposite way haha
@@BeeHereNowuk Don't worry,I live in Leeds and its a shithole
This is interesting and hilarious in equal measures 😂
Can anyone recommend a site online/offline where I can buy cheap and detailed maps of Manchester city!
Mersey still is the border river between Lancashire and Cheshire, North of the Mersey is Lancashire south of it is Cheshire. Before anyone says otherwise look up the Historic and never disbanded County Palatine of Lancashire.
Nice!
Bradford was renamed beswick, I remember Bradford pit , belle Vue was a prison ,the ghost train being the centre with spokes leading off it there use to be cottages on hunters Lane ( Hyde Road to red gate lane ) that where prison guards Houses
Have a drink everytime you’re told to control yourself
Hey Oli! I was born in Davyhulme (which you mention) and grew up around urmston and flixton. I always thought I was Manc. But I'm not.....? (Sad face emoticon)
My mum's people were all Oldham folk, which will please you...)
I would consider you as a Mancunian. To me anybody in Greater Manchester is a, "Manc".
Ace
Harpurhey is my home
There's a bit of Sheffield called shooters grove, I always wondered why it was called that, so it's the place people dumped their shit? I always thought that was Rotherham 🤣
Haha
Oi! Have less! I live in (a less shit part of) Rotherham. Funnily enough I went to Uni in Salford which has the same relationship with Manchester that Rotherham does with Sheffield. How did you get here? Via Pat Dickinson & Martin Zero videos like me?
@@antonycharnock2993 Yeah, I love Pat D and Martin zero's stuff.
This lad's great aswell, he shows you things that are off limits to most people.
I'm into social history and like seeing what's left of our industrial past, it's fascinating.
Pat does the wild camping aswell, I've done a good bit myself and during lockdown especially it's been a bit of an escape watching his videos.
Well, I did "Have less" infact no Rotherham baiting at all.......it's not that bad really.....just a small town in Sheffield 😂
@@johnd8538 👍😂Someone in Salford asked me if I was a scouser. My slight deedar must have sounded like dedowdowdontdey.
@@antonycharnock2993 I'd rather be a deedah than a dingle 😁 nah, Barnsley's ok aswell.... Jud' s still a twat for killing Billy's hawk though 😂😂
Just like the businessman who set up Whalley Range, I was born in Whalley, Lancashire. However they are pronounced differently. You correctly pronounced Whalley Range, which phonetically is Wol-e but the one in Lancashire is pronounced Wall-e.
What about droylsden
Any chance of you doing the whole skelton junction ,lymm to latchford disused railway pls.
Yes this is something I've been looking into doing one day
@@BeeHereNowuk I did this, if you want any pointers on access points let me know!
@@RingwayManchester Cheers mate, I'll let you know
The Pennines are to the East of Manchester ;)
I must take issue with your description of the name Gorton. Gore does not mean 'dirty' it refers to 'blood' and Gore Brook is reputed to have run red with blood from a battle fought in the valley between the Vikings and the Anglo Saxons.
Where do you buy that beautiful pijama 😂😂😂👍
There is still a lot of grass in Moss Side. Vikings live near rivers cos you can lead a Norse to water
Urmston?
What about Trafford?
Very interesting and informative as usual Ollie 🤗
Cheers Mark!
How did you get "Ir" from Roebuck/Deer? You also said a lot of "possibly's" and "probably's" and " I think's" and "I guess so's", so does this mean those place names are not definites and are just you hazarding a guess at best?
Also, "Black-ley" with "Ley" meaning "Wood", I think not, "Ley" in a name whether it be a place or a person comes from "Lea", "Leigh" and "Ley" all variants of the same name meaning "meadow", "a fallow or untilled flat open field".
Great vid.........where did you get the t-shirt please
Thanks! There's a shop on Oldham St called Thunder Egg that sells them and it's made by a company called Run and Fly 👍
@@BeeHereNowuk Thanks
No traffod area ? 😢
The Pennines were not named after the Appenines. The Romans were not Italians who conquered and replaced native populations. They were a military economic franchise that simply offered native populations an offer they couldn't refuse. The names simply come from the same root language. Latin place names in England are usually medievil and ecclesiastical.
This is brilliant! Really wish you’d not gone on about “cum” though, as it means I can’t direct my year 7s here 😂😂😂