Paragon control ending is the best, cause it doesn't destroy geth and EDI, nor does it forcefully change everyone in the galaxy into glowing hybrids. Worst case scenario, Shepard can just gather all the reapers and send them all into a black hole.
My thoughts exactly. Synthesis felt like forcing trillions into some AI's Darwinist view of evolution, destroy feels like it kills too many and damages the galaxy immensely but paragon control feels like a hero ascending to a God, one who doesn't rule through force but through empathy, understanding and care
I would like to believe those words but when I reset the game 3 times with the 3 endings, control, synthesis and destroy. I searched the deepest corners of the internet for answers to my questions if I chose the correct one and from what I learned was no! End of control: Shepard enforces absolute control authority, in other words massive slavery. "*Hey, Harbinger... Assuming direct control! :D" The end of synthesis, organics and machines is a massive nuisance! Shepard forces organic beings and works as a forced and unnatural evolution! Ultimate Destroy: Shepard causes massive genocide on all non-organic beings in the galaxies, you destroy every machine in the universe that even the mass relays don't escape! The mass effect endings change me completely, because I always think about it and wonder if I did it right! and that's why I love this franchise because her choices are very pricey!
Honestly, at first glance, Synthesis felt like the best option... But when I played through the game my second time, I realized that this solution was the Reaper's solution. The same group whose way to preserve organic life was to periodically harvest all advanced life. In the end, I decided that a solution like that would be just as flawed as the initial one. I never liked Destroy (Legion made me hate it), but Control to me, saw a solution that was best, as you are a Shepherd, herding them to a future in order to preserve them.
@@randomintrovertedspider7510 I always see control as a middle finger to not only the catalyst and Reapers, but the illusive man as well as paragon. (Or a relatively good aligned shep).
If only they had listened to Shepard the entire time, maybe he/she wouldnt have had to die. Shepard and his team always had to suffer the accusations of being renegades, traitors and liars. even through all of this, shepard was thinking of saving everyone he could. A true hero, who had to die for the sake of others.
I think Paragon control with high ems is the best ending.. sheppard both dies and doesnt.. the man is gone but his mind lives on. and wil always be there watching over. he should make himself a body like edi so he can be with tali and his friends though...
The ending with the most logic. Shepard doesn't actually die, only his physical form is destroyed, but his conscious, his spirit... it ascends to Godhood and he becomes the ultimate ruler of Reapers. Plus... he could order the Reapers to destroy themselves any time. Also... he can always make a synthetic body and transfer his conscious in it. Win-win!
Technically, though Shepard as a human organism died, he became essentially what the TITANs of eclipse phase are, and is alive as the reaper super-entity. I chose this ending, with the headcanon epilogue being that, as the super-entity, Shepard would then use his limitless intelligence and resources to initiate the synthesis ending anyway, without being 100% killed and achieving the best possible outcome. If you want a happy ending, sometimes you gotta make it yourselves.
My head canon is that, after you get 8000 War Assets, the Alliance discovers the true nature of the Crucible - and that it won’t discriminate against synthetics. Thanks to this info, EDI and the Geth are able to write a countermeasure program that will “fragment” their consciousness until after the crucible is used. After all, how will the crucible be able to tell junk data from their fragmented programming? Thanks to this counter measure, synthetics are able to live on, Shepard survives, and the reapers are dead as fuck. With the Geth still active, repairing the relays should be child’s play.
I chose it because I had low points so the catalyst only gave me control or destroy and when described it said destroy would damage all weapons, ships, equipment, and the mass relays would blow up causing an unknown reaction so I had to pick control
You cant win a war without sacrifice, each one of the endings needs a sacrifice in one way or the other, Syn and Con both sacrifice shepard, Destory sacrifices EDI and the Geth. It is well made.
The problem is they are trying to make a greek drama in soace, so zhey wanted the endings to be catharthic. But considering how fucked up the world is anyways, they didnt truly manage it. Also they coulda thrown in some happy, mindfuck, or shepard being indoctrinatedor taking harbingers place as insane mecha god possibilities, because the game deserved it. Also the reapers goals are pure batshit szupid.
+I need no channel youtube! Old but I like the idea of shepherd being able to reverse mind fuck harbinger and finding out indoctrination works both ways if your strong willed
Destroy ending Shepard dies. Control ending he dies but he's not exactly gone. But he truly sacraficed everything. But I think going with true mass effect the only way you should choose the control ending is if you were paragon or the assended Shepard could end up being just as bad as the reapers
@Apollox44 Pollo control doesn't really kill shepard exactly. I like this ending the best becuase you see in the extended cut shepard sort of still exsits. It could be an interesting thing to see how that would be if they ever made mass effect 4. But the sythetisis ending is the only one that actually completely kills shepard. So that would have to be thrown away if they made a 4th game probably. But shepard still exists in the control ending. And exists as some other new being controling the reapers in the control ending. So I think both of those endings could transfer well to a 4th game.
These endings were shit. Don't get me wrong, they all have some gravitas, but at the end of the day they're really restrictive and feel deeply unsatisfying. There's no ending where Shepherd survives, there's no real weight behind your decisions. Everything you did to get to the ending might as well be pointless
I'd love a scene with the potential romance shouting at the one who's telling Joker to leave, like: "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Shepard's still there, we have to go!" And then cries or something.
I imagine he repays the bills through contracting corvée labor via Reapers as a payment. I'd say it would have more value than credits. I wonder if Paragon Reaper-Shepard tries to keep the galactic economy solvent hahahaha
This is probs the best ending even compared to synthesis. It is not so much controlling the reapers, but the synthesis of the catalyst and Shepard. It gives the species of the galaxy the agency to reach Synthesis on their own, and if you get peace between the Geth and the Quarians you are proving that the Catalysts viewpoint is wrong. The Catalyst was based on the smug and arrogant Leviathans, so go figures that it's just as blind sighted as its creators. It also gives AI Shepard the means to create an intergalactic mass relay system, which would be a cool setting, a bit like NMS with the Aelerons watching over the galaxy but the galactic cluster is connected. They 'could' go as far as making ME4 a sim as large as Pioneer and ED, a very tall order but would be cool to see in the future none the less. The Destroy ending on paragon still ends up with millions more dying in the aftermath, as the catalyst suggested, all technology is effected, the design of the crucible was not complete thus it would not distinguish between reaper tech and electronics. A galactic dark age would take place, if you helped the geth and quarians, they will both pretty well die anyway because quarian life support needs power unless the geth managed to bolster their immune systems before being wiped out. Ships are left drifting in space without life support, famine is widespread because farming is mostly based upon equipment with electronics. A fuck ton of people die across the galaxy.
I was wondering the same thing. I noticed that it’s never those squad-mates you had with you in the last mission on Earth. Other than that, no idea. If you do find out, please share.
I've a couple of theories: For my New Game+ run through the game, I ended up with Garrus, post-tank injury, speaking to Joker. I was a Vanguard, and often coupled with Liara (and Tali, my LI), so it can't be the person you bring on missions the most (Tali exited the ship after landing on the planet). Perhaps it's the person you spoke to most while on the Normandy? I recall visiting Garrus often to see if he had anything new to say, and also accidentally hit 'Talk' a few times afterwards.
Post-tank injury? You mean he was with you at the beam? Because, like I said, the only noticeable thing I’ve got is that in all my endings the squad-metes I had with me at the beam don’t seem to tell Joker it’s time to go. Apparently romance doesn’t impact this scene either, since for some it was their LI who told Joker to leave you behind. Pretty depressing if you think abt it lol
Sovereign(well, maybe his processors or something, part of him WAS left): glad I died before the...*puke* catalyst and Shepard became the god... Shepard: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL Sovereign: FUCK ME.
Look at the geth, they pictured with Reaper, so, probably, Old Mashines is still a gods for they. And quarians still wearing their suits, despite peace between two races. So, probably, Catalyst was RIGHT. Misconnection between organics and synthetics is inevitable, and Destroy cannot solve it by itself. And because Synthesis, to be honest, is some kind of unexplaned magic out of sci-fi setting (and a cheatcode for golden ending), Control is only option to solve something.
Nah I don’t think LI is frequent (probably because most people take their LI on the last mission for the squad evac goodbye), I’m only saying it’s possible. And I got Garrus in this scene very often as well, and I talked to him a lot too so it might be it.
They all cram into Makos and go driving like lunatics around a barren square kilometer of random planets. No one really understands what the purpose of this ritual is anymore, but everyone involved seems excited.
I am stuck wondering if control or synthesis is better. Like I have no clue, I felt bad doing synthesis since they didn’t ask to change but also I don’t like the green eyes and really don’t like the green effect on everyone.
Paragon Control is better than Synthesis(Key word being Paragon if you're character is Renegade then Control is bad). Synthesis you're forcing everyone to essentially become cyborgs without their consent also while ending all conflict and strife and making all life forms perfect yada yada seems great on paper but you're actually taking away the things that make us "human." Struggle and conflict and working to improve ourselves are what make us what we are and that is what the Starkid fails to understand about organics. He is also wrong about Synthetics vs Organics as we prove with the Geth and Qurians that peace and understanding is possible. Control neutralizes the Reaper threat without colossal collateral damage or sacrificing innocent lives as well as having the Reapers still around to prevent the Leviathans from trying to enslave the galaxy once again and since your character was a Paragon the intelligence controlling the Reapers wont be a tyrant.
FluffyNinjaLlama, I was just wondering if you knew which factors lead to a certain character reasoning with Joker to meet at the rendezvous point. Thus far I've seen Garrus, EDI and Kaidan/Ashley. Also, do you know of any others?
Oh! I'm afraid I mixed up my 'Joker-talkers'. I'm sorry! My Vanguard charged the beam with Liara and Tali. My memory must have slipped because I recently watched Extended Cut's Garrus romance. I'm terribly sorry for the mix-up. You said Shepard's Love Interest is quite frequent? Then perhaps if your love interest is injured at the beam it may defer to someone else? Hmm... but I wonder why it would defer to Garrus for me (Tali was my only romance). I'm still banking on who Shepard talked to most.
This ending definitely won’t be canon, since whatever threat exists in mass effect 4 would have to completely negate the reapers. Easiest thing to do is destroy them.
No it totally could. Idk how the reapers still being around would work, but you could make it so that all the collective knowledge is downloaded and then the reapers are sent into the sun, with the shep overlord just being in a state of existence in some corner of the galaxy if someone needs their guidance
problem is with destroy is the mass relays are fucked, so turians, quarians, krogans, asari fleets cant get home and they all starve besides the asari since they dont have food to eat and they will infight for livable space on earth. All travels between solar systems is basically void as FTL flight would take lifetimes to make it. all the synthetics and vis they use to help run things are gone. It would be a hellish reality, i cant see them just saying destroy. Probably going to do the control ending and just have the reapers just be back in deep space never to be seen again
Ah, right. JUST after I posted the question, I saw one of your vids with Liara speaking to Joker. I've also posted a theory under your first response. Don't know if TH-cam will show both of my posts, or only show one. I mention this because my inbox only showed one of your posts instead of both. Just being careful, is all.
What fleets did u have Fluffy? I watch alot of ur films, for advice, i have done ME2 again with everyone loyal except miranda. What fleets u need for this?
if it was up to me, I'd make another ending where Shepard controls the a.i of the Normandy (though Joker and EDI pilot it) then Tali goes to Shepard cabin, revealing to the cabin (because she's lonely) that she's pregnant with his child, before a holographic Shepard comes out of the wall, then Tali hurries down to the CIC deck and reveals that Shepard is "technically" alive. After that, she has a baby daughter who grows up and asks about her father, to which tali shows Shepard to her (who, again, is holographic) then they all live as one big, happy family, conflict between all races ends permanently and they all have a mutual holiday, honoring Shepard.
Except that is IMPOSSIBLE for tali to have shepherds kid different amino acids, species and such. More like she adopted a human or Quarian saying that shepherd is their father and he gave he's life to protect them
+RandomAtics all I know is that their different amino acids contradict each other. Look up the reaper brutes they are a mix of turain and krogan but require heavy cybernetics as the organs of both species would liquefy the others or be heavily damaged
The only thing that makes it ominous is the music choice, it was the wrong choice of music for this ending because paragon control is not that bad, now for renegade control the music is more appropriate.
First make sure on talis loyalty mission that tali is not exiled AND her father isn't shamed in ME2 legion and tali need to survive ME2(legion makes it easier) You need 75% reputation of paragon or renegade You need to complete ALL the side missions on the Quarian home world. When doing the search and rescue on said world save the civilian fleet admiral instead of the crew. If you did all this you should be good
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, I don't know, I just finished Legendary Edition as my first ever playthrough of the trilogy. But I dunno, I feel like the "Renegade" and "Paragon" endings should have been swapped. Maybe it's my smooth monkey brain, but this speech in the added DLC cutscene sounds _evil_ as _fuck_ to me lol In the end controlling the Reapers is a good thing, sure- but in the moment, why would a paragon Shepard _at all_ trust the words of the Illusive Man or the Intelligence? Why take that risk? In the moment, wouldn't it be more safe to have it on good faith that the galaxy would rebuild having learned a lesson from the Leviathans and their failure? On the chance that whatever Shepard becomes falls to the same fate as the Intelligence/Catalyst's false feedback loop in programming, how many more cycles would it take for some other race to stop the Reapers, now even more advanced? Maybe BioWare's logic was that the sacrifice of Shepard's life was selfless and so "Paragon", but I didn't get the feeling that Shepard would live in either case. Maybe that's just me lol
control always struck me as a vaguely erie ending sure things work out in the short term but were it not for the fact that synthesis is fucking stupid and destruction wipes out EDI and the geth I wouldn't pick it, control is too perfect and there is always that sense that freedom would become an impossibility as the reapers would still be the ultimate decider as to the fate of the galaxy all control does is change how they go about it and everyone just kind of kneels before them in a way. Wish they got the endings the original director actually wanted where each one would be more nuanced and gray rather than one just be 100x better than the other 2 (3 if you are a cheeki bugger who isn't gonna let some stupid brat tell you what you can and can't do) with the nuance to that choice seemingly being cropped out.
I guess in a way its the only ending where the character of your particular Shepard would guide the outcome. From totally ruthless to benevolent and respecting of others rights. Captured in the moment of transformation- and preserved for eternity. All the sadness and regret... or the lack thereof.
yea i would have loved to know the true vision of the team, if destroy wouldnt have genocided the geth and other synthetics i would have gone with that, but the entire story of the geth disproves the logic of the star child. The geth have no need for organics and want to be left alone, they just want to build a mega server in unlivable space and upload themselves. harvest energy from stars and mine planets for minerals and have 0 need to rebel against organics.
Idk why, but this ending does not make me feel good. I mean, actually I 100% do: it’s the much power given to an AI with a moral mandate. The phrasing, maybe the way the voice sounds, etc. just gives me Thanos vibes lol Synthesis I like the most because, aside from the fundamental change of all life (which I get that that doesn’t sound great either), there’s no all powerful overlord that you have to worry about. It’s just everyone understanding each other and working together. Not saying I’m right, that of course would be TBD, but it makes me so uneasy lol
You know that was really really far in the future, right? It indicated that the story become legend, passed down for millennia. Not that it was a dream or a made up story.
This ending seems cool until you read about a character like DR Manhattan and then you realise this is probably one of the worst outcomes. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This entity will eventually push some confusing and incomprehensible desire onto the denizens of the galaxy much like the catalyst did and it will happen again.
The illusive man was flawed. He didn't entirely comprehend what he was dealing with. Only that it could get Cerberus ahead of the curb. Shepherd did, after dealing with it not once, but twice, and fighting off indoctrination himself.
Nah. Paragon Shepard has a good head on his shoulders. He saved the krogran and refused a bribe from Salarians. United the Geth and the Quarian. Paragon Shepard is not short sighted and makes a great guardian. It's the renegade control ending where Shepard takes the dictator role.
The Reapers become the Shepards; herding all life in the galaxy to a future with limitless possibilities.
Damn that's good...
That's pretty cool
Literally the first thing Shepard does when he takes over the Reapers: “I should go.”
Lmao
Oh man, that's *perfect*.
Paragon control ending is the best, cause it doesn't destroy geth and EDI, nor does it forcefully change everyone in the galaxy into glowing hybrids. Worst case scenario, Shepard can just gather all the reapers and send them all into a black hole.
My thoughts exactly. Synthesis felt like forcing trillions into some AI's Darwinist view of evolution, destroy feels like it kills too many and damages the galaxy immensely but paragon control feels like a hero ascending to a God, one who doesn't rule through force but through empathy, understanding and care
@@shamrock141 Paragon control is the ending I intended to do
I would like to believe those words but when I reset the game 3 times with the 3 endings, control, synthesis and destroy. I searched the deepest corners of the internet for answers to my questions if I chose the correct one and from what I learned was no!
End of control: Shepard enforces absolute control authority, in other words massive slavery. "*Hey, Harbinger... Assuming direct control! :D"
The end of synthesis, organics and machines is a massive nuisance! Shepard forces organic beings and works as a forced and unnatural evolution!
Ultimate Destroy: Shepard causes massive genocide on all non-organic beings in the galaxies, you destroy every machine in the universe that even the mass relays don't escape!
The mass effect endings change me completely, because I always think about it and wonder if I did it right! and that's why I love this franchise because her choices are very pricey!
Honestly, at first glance, Synthesis felt like the best option... But when I played through the game my second time, I realized that this solution was the Reaper's solution. The same group whose way to preserve organic life was to periodically harvest all advanced life. In the end, I decided that a solution like that would be just as flawed as the initial one. I never liked Destroy (Legion made me hate it), but Control to me, saw a solution that was best, as you are a Shepherd, herding them to a future in order to preserve them.
@@randomintrovertedspider7510 I always see control as a middle finger to not only the catalyst and Reapers, but the illusive man as well as paragon. (Or a relatively good aligned shep).
If only they had listened to Shepard the entire time, maybe he/she wouldnt have had to die. Shepard and his team always had to suffer the accusations of being renegades, traitors and liars. even through all of this, shepard was thinking of saving everyone he could. A true hero, who had to die for the sake of others.
I think Paragon control with high ems is the best ending.. sheppard both dies and doesnt.. the man is gone but his mind lives on. and wil always be there watching over. he should make himself a body like edi so he can be with tali and his friends though...
Yes cuz why the hell not XD
that is the first thing i do in that situacion
Like Picard in well... Picard.
mass effect 4: robocock
In this Shepard literally becomes Space Jesus
The ending with the most logic. Shepard doesn't actually die, only his physical form is destroyed, but his conscious, his spirit... it ascends to Godhood and he becomes the ultimate ruler of Reapers. Plus... he could order the Reapers to destroy themselves any time. Also... he can always make a synthetic body and transfer his conscious in it. Win-win!
Or a mini-reaper the size of a volus lol, imagine the council getting cussed out by a mini Shepard reaper
Imagine the Councils calling the Reapers to fix a Mass Relay, only to be hung up on
I like to think Shepard still communicates with Tali from time to time in his Reaper form.
"Even Gods have their favourites, Tali, and you've always been one of mine"
Should the galaxy have another threat Shepard will be watching and will send the reapers to assist
And throw the threat out the airlock.
@@smanly3274 I'm sure Javik will be pleased 😂
@@ShepardN7. he will be
Literally assuming direct control.
As Guardian to serve and protect
Technically, though Shepard as a human organism died, he became essentially what the TITANs of eclipse phase are, and is alive as the reaper super-entity.
I chose this ending, with the headcanon epilogue being that, as the super-entity, Shepard would then use his limitless intelligence and resources to initiate the synthesis ending anyway, without being 100% killed and achieving the best possible outcome.
If you want a happy ending, sometimes you gotta make it yourselves.
The Reason I Have Headcanons
My head canon is that, after you get 8000 War Assets, the Alliance discovers the true nature of the Crucible - and that it won’t discriminate against synthetics. Thanks to this info, EDI and the Geth are able to write a countermeasure program that will “fragment” their consciousness until after the crucible is used. After all, how will the crucible be able to tell junk data from their fragmented programming? Thanks to this counter measure, synthetics are able to live on, Shepard survives, and the reapers are dead as fuck. With the Geth still active, repairing the relays should be child’s play.
I chose it because I had low points so the catalyst only gave me control or destroy and when described it said destroy would damage all weapons, ships, equipment, and the mass relays would blow up causing an unknown reaction so I had to pick control
Yeah Paragon Control all the way. No Regrets. #Thunder
Douglas Adams, if he were a alive today: "There's a theory that the control ending has happened before..."
Imagine if shepard yeeted the reapers into andromeda and we only find out he did in the next andromeda installment
Oh, nooooo :O
You cant win a war without sacrifice, each one of the endings needs a sacrifice in one way or the other, Syn and Con both sacrifice shepard, Destory sacrifices EDI and the Geth.
It is well made.
The problem is they are trying to make a greek drama in soace, so zhey wanted the endings to be catharthic. But considering how fucked up the world is anyways, they didnt truly manage it. Also they coulda thrown in some happy, mindfuck, or shepard being indoctrinatedor taking harbingers place as insane mecha god possibilities, because the game deserved it. Also the reapers goals are pure batshit szupid.
+I need no channel youtube! Old but I like the idea of shepherd being able to reverse mind fuck harbinger and finding out indoctrination works both ways if your strong willed
Destroy ending Shepard dies. Control ending he dies but he's not exactly gone. But he truly sacraficed everything. But I think going with true mass effect the only way you should choose the control ending is if you were paragon or the assended Shepard could end up being just as bad as the reapers
@Apollox44 Pollo control doesn't really kill shepard exactly. I like this ending the best becuase you see in the extended cut shepard sort of still exsits. It could be an interesting thing to see how that would be if they ever made mass effect 4. But the sythetisis ending is the only one that actually completely kills shepard. So that would have to be thrown away if they made a 4th game probably. But shepard still exists in the control ending. And exists as some other new being controling the reapers in the control ending. So I think both of those endings could transfer well to a 4th game.
These endings were shit. Don't get me wrong, they all have some gravitas, but at the end of the day they're really restrictive and feel deeply unsatisfying. There's no ending where Shepherd survives, there's no real weight behind your decisions. Everything you did to get to the ending might as well be pointless
I'd love a scene with the potential romance shouting at the one who's telling Joker to leave, like: "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Shepard's still there, we have to go!" And then cries or something.
Does Reaper-Shepard still get billed for the Citadel apartment? And if you've been a paragon- does he actually pay it?
I imagine he repays the bills through contracting corvée labor via Reapers as a payment. I'd say it would have more value than credits. I wonder if Paragon Reaper-Shepard tries to keep the galactic economy solvent hahahaha
Is it just me, or does Shepard's voice become human at the end?
This is probs the best ending even compared to synthesis. It is not so much controlling the reapers, but the synthesis of the catalyst and Shepard. It gives the species of the galaxy the agency to reach Synthesis on their own, and if you get peace between the Geth and the Quarians you are proving that the Catalysts viewpoint is wrong. The Catalyst was based on the smug and arrogant Leviathans, so go figures that it's just as blind sighted as its creators. It also gives AI Shepard the means to create an intergalactic mass relay system, which would be a cool setting, a bit like NMS with the Aelerons watching over the galaxy but the galactic cluster is connected. They 'could' go as far as making ME4 a sim as large as Pioneer and ED, a very tall order but would be cool to see in the future none the less.
The Destroy ending on paragon still ends up with millions more dying in the aftermath, as the catalyst suggested, all technology is effected, the design of the crucible was not complete thus it would not distinguish between reaper tech and electronics. A galactic dark age would take place, if you helped the geth and quarians, they will both pretty well die anyway because quarian life support needs power unless the geth managed to bolster their immune systems before being wiped out. Ships are left drifting in space without life support, famine is widespread because farming is mostly based upon equipment with electronics. A fuck ton of people die across the galaxy.
And who's to say that Shepard won't reconstruct his body and reunite with his friends?
The music during Shepherd's initial monologue sounds ill-fittingly ominous.
I was wondering the same thing. I noticed that it’s never those squad-mates you had with you in the last mission on Earth. Other than that, no idea. If you do find out, please share.
I've a couple of theories: For my New Game+ run through the game, I ended up with Garrus, post-tank injury, speaking to Joker. I was a Vanguard, and often coupled with Liara (and Tali, my LI), so it can't be the person you bring on missions the most (Tali exited the ship after landing on the planet).
Perhaps it's the person you spoke to most while on the Normandy? I recall visiting Garrus often to see if he had anything new to say, and also accidentally hit 'Talk' a few times afterwards.
Reaper Starchild Shepard looking at the Krogan: Now you'll bang, ok?
Post-tank injury? You mean he was with you at the beam? Because, like I said, the only noticeable thing I’ve got is that in all my endings the squad-metes I had with me at the beam don’t seem to tell Joker it’s time to go. Apparently romance doesn’t impact this scene either, since for some it was their LI who told Joker to leave you behind. Pretty depressing if you think abt it lol
Sovereign(well, maybe his processors or something, part of him WAS left): glad I died before the...*puke* catalyst and Shepard became the god...
Shepard: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
Sovereign: FUCK ME.
Oh, and I've seen Liara as well.
The most favored ending and my first ending.
Only paragon Shepard should choose this ending cuz renegade Shepard with reapers is an unstoppable tyrant that no civilization has witnessed.
Guess what?
Shepard is Harbinger's boss now.
I always go destroy ending every single time but I don’t mind this one, it’s way better than synthesis and refusal.
Look at the geth, they pictured with Reaper, so, probably, Old Mashines is still a gods for they. And quarians still wearing their suits, despite peace between two races. So, probably, Catalyst was RIGHT. Misconnection between organics and synthetics is inevitable, and Destroy cannot solve it by itself. And because Synthesis, to be honest, is some kind of unexplaned magic out of sci-fi setting (and a cheatcode for golden ending), Control is only option to solve something.
Nah I don’t think LI is frequent (probably because most people take their LI on the last mission for the squad evac goodbye), I’m only saying it’s possible. And I got Garrus in this scene very often as well, and I talked to him a lot too so it might be it.
The "Helios" ending of Mass Effect.
... or easier. Just imagine, you have an army of giant, badass, god-like machines to help you! :D
Best ending imo
I wonder if Paragon Shepard Reapers can still indoctrinate, and what would he have the indoctrinated do.
They all cram into Makos and go driving like lunatics around a barren square kilometer of random planets. No one really understands what the purpose of this ritual is anymore, but everyone involved seems excited.
Honestly this particular choice would be 10x less controversial if the music wasn't so damn ominous
I am stuck wondering if control or synthesis is better. Like I have no clue, I felt bad doing synthesis since they didn’t ask to change but also I don’t like the green eyes and really don’t like the green effect on everyone.
Paragon Control is better than Synthesis(Key word being Paragon if you're character is Renegade then Control is bad). Synthesis you're forcing everyone to essentially become cyborgs without their consent also while ending all conflict and strife and making all life forms perfect yada yada seems great on paper but you're actually taking away the things that make us "human." Struggle and conflict and working to improve ourselves are what make us what we are and that is what the Starkid fails to understand about organics. He is also wrong about Synthetics vs Organics as we prove with the Geth and Qurians that peace and understanding is possible.
Control neutralizes the Reaper threat without colossal collateral damage or sacrificing innocent lives as well as having the Reapers still around to prevent the Leviathans from trying to enslave the galaxy once again and since your character was a Paragon the intelligence controlling the Reapers wont be a tyrant.
FluffyNinjaLlama, I was just wondering if you knew which factors lead to a certain character reasoning with Joker to meet at the rendezvous point. Thus far I've seen Garrus, EDI and Kaidan/Ashley. Also, do you know of any others?
Oh! I'm afraid I mixed up my 'Joker-talkers'. I'm sorry! My Vanguard charged the beam with Liara and Tali. My memory must have slipped because I recently watched Extended Cut's Garrus romance. I'm terribly sorry for the mix-up.
You said Shepard's Love Interest is quite frequent? Then perhaps if your love interest is injured at the beam it may defer to someone else? Hmm... but I wonder why it would defer to Garrus for me (Tali was my only romance).
I'm still banking on who Shepard talked to most.
Control = Cortana's Halo 5 plan.
This ending definitely won’t be canon, since whatever threat exists in mass effect 4 would have to completely negate the reapers. Easiest thing to do is destroy them.
No it totally could. Idk how the reapers still being around would work, but you could make it so that all the collective knowledge is downloaded and then the reapers are sent into the sun, with the shep overlord just being in a state of existence in some corner of the galaxy if someone needs their guidance
problem is with destroy is the mass relays are fucked, so turians, quarians, krogans, asari fleets cant get home and they all starve besides the asari since they dont have food to eat and they will infight for livable space on earth. All travels between solar systems is basically void as FTL flight would take lifetimes to make it. all the synthetics and vis they use to help run things are gone. It would be a hellish reality, i cant see them just saying destroy. Probably going to do the control ending and just have the reapers just be back in deep space never to be seen again
In a nutshell:
Shepard become a reaper cthulhu
Thanks
Ah, right. JUST after I posted the question, I saw one of your vids with Liara speaking to Joker.
I've also posted a theory under your first response. Don't know if TH-cam will show both of my posts, or only show one. I mention this because my inbox only showed one of your posts instead of both. Just being careful, is all.
I don't get how this is supposed to be a good ending. Feels like shepard could turn evil at any moment
“If there were no God, it would have been necessary to invent him.”
Now THAT is an ending.
Not exactly. Overseer of the reapers :P
What fleets did u have Fluffy? I watch alot of ur films, for advice, i have done ME2 again with everyone loyal except miranda.
What fleets u need for this?
Do we need the extended cut dlc to get synthetic and control?
Only synthesis
if it was up to me, I'd make another ending where Shepard controls the a.i of the Normandy (though Joker and EDI pilot it) then Tali goes to Shepard cabin, revealing to the cabin (because she's lonely) that she's pregnant with his child, before a holographic Shepard comes out of the wall, then Tali hurries down to the CIC deck and reveals that Shepard is "technically" alive. After that, she has a baby daughter who grows up and asks about her father, to which tali shows Shepard to her (who, again, is holographic) then they all live as one big, happy family, conflict between all races ends permanently and they all have a mutual holiday, honoring Shepard.
Except that is IMPOSSIBLE for tali to have shepherds kid different amino acids, species and such.
More like she adopted a human or Quarian saying that shepherd is their father and he gave he's life to protect them
Other wise that's actually would be great if that happened
+Rico Cintron I don't know, they never said a human-quarian child was impossible. think Star-Trek, Spock is half-human.
+Rico Cintron also, you'd have to romance Tali in ME2 AND ME3.
+RandomAtics all I know is that their different amino acids contradict each other.
Look up the reaper brutes they are a mix of turain and krogan but require heavy cybernetics as the organs of both species would liquefy the others or be heavily damaged
This ending is super ominous imo.
Not as in renegade.
Paragon Control: Let everyone prosper.
Renegade Control: *Assuming Direct Control*
The only thing that makes it ominous is the music choice, it was the wrong choice of music for this ending because paragon control is not that bad, now for renegade control the music is more appropriate.
Miranda died in my campaign, is there a way to save her?
also, how do you save the geth and ALSO the quarians? that wouldn't happen for me
First make sure on talis loyalty mission that tali is not exiled AND her father isn't shamed in ME2
legion and tali need to survive ME2(legion makes it easier)
You need 75% reputation of paragon or renegade
You need to complete ALL the side missions on the Quarian home world.
When doing the search and rescue on said world save the civilian fleet admiral instead of the crew.
If you did all this you should be good
As for Miranda she dies either way just like legion
Not true you have to get her loyalty in Mass Effect 2 and warn her about Kai Leng
RandomAtics technically if she didnt die in ME 2 she will die in ME 3 what ever u do
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, I don't know, I just finished Legendary Edition as my first ever playthrough of the trilogy. But I dunno, I feel like the "Renegade" and "Paragon" endings should have been swapped.
Maybe it's my smooth monkey brain, but this speech in the added DLC cutscene sounds _evil_ as _fuck_ to me lol
In the end controlling the Reapers is a good thing, sure- but in the moment, why would a paragon Shepard _at all_ trust the words of the Illusive Man or the Intelligence? Why take that risk? In the moment, wouldn't it be more safe to have it on good faith that the galaxy would rebuild having learned a lesson from the Leviathans and their failure? On the chance that whatever Shepard becomes falls to the same fate as the Intelligence/Catalyst's false feedback loop in programming, how many more cycles would it take for some other race to stop the Reapers, now even more advanced?
Maybe BioWare's logic was that the sacrifice of Shepard's life was selfless and so "Paragon", but I didn't get the feeling that Shepard would live in either case. Maybe that's just me lol
control always struck me as a vaguely erie ending sure things work out in the short term but were it not for the fact that synthesis is fucking stupid and destruction wipes out EDI and the geth I wouldn't pick it, control is too perfect and there is always that sense that freedom would become an impossibility as the reapers would still be the ultimate decider as to the fate of the galaxy all control does is change how they go about it and everyone just kind of kneels before them in a way. Wish they got the endings the original director actually wanted where each one would be more nuanced and gray rather than one just be 100x better than the other 2 (3 if you are a cheeki bugger who isn't gonna let some stupid brat tell you what you can and can't do) with the nuance to that choice seemingly being cropped out.
I guess in a way its the only ending where the character of your particular Shepard would guide the outcome. From totally ruthless to benevolent and respecting of others rights. Captured in the moment of transformation- and preserved for eternity. All the sadness and regret... or the lack thereof.
yea i would have loved to know the true vision of the team, if destroy wouldnt have genocided the geth and other synthetics i would have gone with that, but the entire story of the geth disproves the logic of the star child. The geth have no need for organics and want to be left alone, they just want to build a mega server in unlivable space and upload themselves. harvest energy from stars and mine planets for minerals and have 0 need to rebel against organics.
Idk why, but this ending does not make me feel good. I mean, actually I 100% do: it’s the much power given to an AI with a moral mandate.
The phrasing, maybe the way the voice sounds, etc. just gives me Thanos vibes lol
Synthesis I like the most because, aside from the fundamental change of all life (which I get that that doesn’t sound great either), there’s no all powerful overlord that you have to worry about.
It’s just everyone understanding each other and working together.
Not saying I’m right, that of course would be TBD, but it makes me so uneasy lol
whres edi???
Bioware: But he's a KIND Reaper Cthulu now. :D
Me: (rolls eyes)
Really, i was fine with the end. until the freaking "bedtime story" part. That just pissed me off.
You know that was really really far in the future, right? It indicated that the story become legend, passed down for millennia. Not that it was a dream or a made up story.
@@k1ln1k37 yea still lame though
This ending seems cool until you read about a character like DR Manhattan and then you realise this is probably one of the worst outcomes.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This entity will eventually push some confusing and incomprehensible desire onto the denizens of the galaxy much like the catalyst did and it will happen again.
God damn it did the illusive man teach you guys NOTHING????
The illusive man was flawed. He didn't entirely comprehend what he was dealing with. Only that it could get Cerberus ahead of the curb.
Shepherd did, after dealing with it not once, but twice, and fighting off indoctrination himself.
Shepard becomes Stalin
Nah. Paragon Shepard has a good head on his shoulders. He saved the krogran and refused a bribe from Salarians. United the Geth and the Quarian. Paragon Shepard is not short sighted and makes a great guardian. It's the renegade control ending where Shepard takes the dictator role.