3rd Shot Success with Dave Weinbach | Pickleball
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Do you struggle with your 3rd shot? If you do or if you'd simply like your 3rd shot to be better then this is the lesson for you. In this video US Open Champion and National Champion Dave Weinbach will share with us some great tips and advise on how to hit a reliable and effective 3rd shot drop.
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Dave is full of energy and very clear of his instructions... thanks 🙏
This is, by far, the best PB video that I've seen anywhere, and I can't wait to duplicate this lesson on the court! Much Mahalo!
Glad you liked it! It’s a good one!
Great video, I like the phrase, "don't chase the garbage". As a beginner, it is important to develop both technique and strategy for playing the game.
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6:07 that guy got mad at the net in the background lol
And I *love* that you designated "after a SUCCESSFUL 3rd shot, you want to quickly get to the NVZ." The key word here is SUCCESSFUL! Too many people run up prematurely when they hit that 3rd shot short.
“Don’t chase the garbage”… I love it!!!
The 3rd shot drop is the most difficult shot. That is one of the reasons that a number of people recommend a 3rd shot drive. It the same hopefully gives you a return that allows for an easier 5th shot shot drop. :)
Thank you Dave. While watching, I noticed how you did your backhand. I didn't know that shot either, now I know that too will be helping me in my pickleball progression.
"Don't chase garbage". Literally a revolutionary statement and philosophy. I never thought about it that way...Thanks!!
Gold!
Anyone else notice that THE #1 RANKED PLAYER IN THE WORLD (Ben Johns) is practicing in the background in blue (5:58)??
lol, yeah good catch. it's him.
Woody Harrelson in the flesh ladies and gentlemen!
I loved Dave Weinbach's tips and energy on both videos.Thanks again Jordan for another great video keep up the good work.
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Wow it asked where he went and I had no idea. Thanks for such a great explanation!
That part tongue in cheek. I hope your comment was for fun as well.
Though I liked this video because of the great information/content, as Derek Seed said they did miss a few components..Showing the complete idea by including the speed. trajectory, and PLACEMENT of the ball needed to be a must in the demonstration..
Didn't realize I was stepping in like this when I was serving.. Thanks for the video.. :)
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Dave the legend!
Dave is obviously a very intelligent and practical person and a great communicator/teacher also!
He sure is!
I didn't know Dave W is kind of funny. so far I've only seen him in tourney situations. I felt like the video was helpful but would have liked to follow the ball trajectory to the net as well... thanks
Love Dave's energy
Love Dave's Passion
oh yea!
Yes I always find your content and information spot on!
I appreciate that!
Great video, "dont chase the garbage", love it!
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Thank you. Very good advice.
Awesome! Just what and when i needed it! Thanks Dave! Thanks Jordan for these tutorials!
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Good pointers. Thanks Dave.
A pity that we weren't shown the ball going over the net and the trajectory that we should be aiming for.
We will do a video of that in the near future; unfortunately, we only had one camera that day. Listen and apply all the helpful tips that Dave gives, they are all VERY accurate and can change your game. Thanks for the response!
Not as important, Dave was emphasizing the Momentum is the most important...you can drop the ball anywhere you are aiming...
Location is another concept.
Excellent instructional.
Thanks Phillip !
Love Dave’s game.
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Great tips, Woody! 😀
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I couldn't help but notice Kyle Yates and Morgan Evans was on the same team in the background 😀😀😀. I never seen them team up before. Must have been a rec game.
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i thought was kyle johns. ashworth and puppet master.
Which paddle are you using in this video? Looks cool. Do you use a thinner, longer paddle? Or the wider shown?
I’m using an old engage paddle, Dave is using his signature one. This was a pretty wide paddle, although now I use the Maverick.
Intense pickleball dad swing the hammer of discipline
Great videos, thanks Jordan and Dave. Dave said to stay back if you hit a bad TSD. But I have been burned many a time if I stay back. The opponent either drops it into the NVZ or a short sharp angle shot. And your stuck at the baseline. What would you suggest then?
Generally most people won't hit drop shots or short angle volleys near the net if they get deep 3rd shots, instead they will keep you deep. If they keep doing that, then maybe you can consider moving up to no mans land and working your way in. Although in this strategy, you have to really learn how to control and reset balls into the NVZ. Check out our drill video on no mans land.
Jordan, in your video about driving a short return on the 3rd shot, you are driving it from no-man's land. If the ball gets blocked, the ball is bound to come back to you where you are standing in no-man's land where you need to do the 5th shot drop from.
I love when you play with someone and they keep saying come on !! get up!.get up!!. Lol. As you see here .Its not always a good idea to rush up to NVZ. Well done video thanks
You're absolutely right Tommy. You have to apply discretion about when to get up there quickly and when not to.
Awesome tips!! Thanks heaps!!
Welcome!
This video was fantastic 👏!!!
Yes, Dave is great. Glad you enjoyed it.
Just came across your video. One comment: You say don't fall back, which you did as an example when Jordan hit is ball deep near the baseline. HOWEVER, he normally hit his feed to you much shorter, so you were able to demonstrate moving forward. How do you play a ball that is very close to the baseline without falling back, or being back in the first place (which makes you venerable to short returns)? Thanks.
Great point! Sometimes you will have to hit these shots when falling back and it's possible to hit good ones but try to get forward momentum into it as much as you possibly can.
LOL I love the emoji's!!! Great tutorial
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So where do you aim for placement of the ball with your third shot drop?....aside from hitting it over the net
Great question, there are lots of good options, but it really depends on the situation. The middle is a good option because you won't hit the ball wide, and it's the lowest part of the net.
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Hi, you did not show where the ball should land on the other side of the court successfully for a good 3rd shot drop. Where should I be aiming for exactly? Which player should I hit the ball back to? etc.
You are correct, in this video we did not. We didn't have a second camera that day. Please search the channel for 3rd shot drop and you will see many, many other videos showing the entire shot. thx.
So I guess it is better to hit the drop shot before the ball reached its apex, when it is still rising? I have been taught the opposite.
No, it’s much easier to hit it at the apex or when it’s on its way down.
Excellent.
Dave certainly does seem to lay back his wrist. I have not been doing that. Maybe that is why my drops are going high.
Good technical info to practice with. Stay back on a bad 3rd shot is a key thought I have not been doing but will now
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Jan Castanz
How about the rec play, hit a short lob and run in behind it! Ooch!
So, I play with some opponents who really like to rip a shot after the bounce of a Third Shot Drop. In other words, when I get to the kitchen line with a good Third Shot Drop, they find some way to blast it at my chest (using a roll or other technique). Typically when a shot comes to me like that, I try to slow down the ball and wait for them to lose the dinking game (which, when it comes to it, they always lose), but if they get a chance to hit it with force or just over the net, they're going to rip that shot. If I can't repeatedly slow it down in a point without making an error, what should I do...?
If they are ripping or rolling your 3rd shot drops with ease, then your drops are most likely sitting too high after the bounce. I would suggest you work on your slice and/or topspin drops, as it would make it much harder for your opponent to attack those shots. Hitting a good third and softening up that shot on the 5th shot is a great option if you can control it and make it up to the net.
I would like to see both players at the same time serving and the third shot drop in slow motion
Thanks for the feedback.
I'm sure Dave 'the badger' Weinbach hit thousands of balls before he mastered the third shot drop. Now, he can make a thousand of them as well and make it look easy. That's the truth! Just watch him play, it's just masterful and inspiring. Thx Dave, enlightening as usual. Cheers! C A R Haha!
Yep, hitting thousands of balls will help you get to where you want to be! Get out there and drill!!!
👌 Cheers!
Interesting, Dave prefers a short, light 3rd shot rather than a good low, hard topspin reply. I think those aren't attackable.
Higher 3rd shots have more margin for error. Dave is one of the best, and he rarely misses 3rd shots!!!
Any 3.5 player blocks back and you are still at the low percentage base line. I can block more times back then you can clear the net! You don't see it at the upper levels cause it just is not a percentage shot!
Don Geo , I'm suggesting coming in behind this (hopeful) low topspin shot.
I would never miss a third shot either if I hit them as high as Dave does
I like it..
I am trying to figure out what the paddle position should be in a third shot drop. Your paddle head seams to point down instead of above the wrist. Does it depend on how high the ball is? Or how hard the ball comes back at you ?
Hi Margaret, I have seen both paddle positions done successfully. The key is to have an open paddle face to make sure you get the arc to lift the ball up and over the net.
Valuable lesson, diminished by inadequate video. Try again, Please.
Thanks for the comment Bruce!
Dave in the match videos it looks like your drop is hit with down chopping motion. Is this just an illusion?
It may appear this way but he is definitely moving upward to his contact point.
@@primetimepickleball Did a little slow motion (go to settings on the video) on Daves matchs and noticed he opens the paddle (which looks like an chop shot is coming) before his arm goes forward low to high. Tried it today and the ball magically pops high off the paddle and into the kitchen. You can hit it really hard with that open paddle and pops/ drops into kitchen.
You mention that if you make a poor 3rd shot drop, stay back to try again on the 5th and then the 7th where you and your partner advance to the net. Is your partner also staying back? they don't advance? wouldn't it be advantageous for your appoint to come up sooner? To protect against a dink?
Yes both stay back !
sometimes the body goes back on a hit cuz thats the only way to get a racquet on a ball.
Would have been nice to see where the shots were landing over the net. Dave could be a stunt double for Woody Harrelson
Yes, we would have loved to get that but we forgot our 2nd camera that day. oops! We've made lots of 3rd shot drop videos since this one that do show the trajectory.
Could you please inform how shall I do, if the opponent cut or drop the ball short close to the net, if I stay back on a bad 3rd shot?
This is a tough one, if you are not that mobile, you have to pick your poisons. Generally, most players will hit the ball deep and keep you back on bad third shots. If you know they like to drop and are capable of it, you should come in working your way in and split step on those "average" third shots. Doing this, you have to practice on your mid-court and no mans land reset shots. This is harder to do, although it will eliminate your opponents dropping you every time.
Correct me if I'm wrong Jordan, but the place where a majority of the balls tend to land during a rally is what's referred to as 'no man's land'. So we don't want to be fielding balls at our ankles w/half volleys. In other words it's about halfway between the net and the baseline, 3 feet or so behind the NV zone/kitchen line.
Say good shot, you are playing percentage ball and don't care about every shot.
Some people (partners) assume we did something wrong when clearly the opponent hit a good shot down the middle.
I just tell the partner to suck it up. They simply hit a good effective shot and tell them to say 'good shot' and get it off their chest, lol!
I believe what @zane zhang is asking it the serve is short weather to stay back. The answer Is to come to the net if your serving and your opponent hits a short second shot you should then be at the net. If your returning the serve and the serve is short you should hit a deep drive or even a lob kind of shot as they have to let it bounce. Really anytime your opponent makes it easy to come to the net come to the net
This video would have been much better if it showed the drop shots as they went over the net, the APEX, and where they fell on the other side.
Sorry, ran out of memory for 2nd camera!
Yeah, but those shots were easy. What happens when the #2 shot drives you back or at your feet?
If you can get the ball down in the kitchen, it will very hard for your opponent to constantly hit the ball hard and also keep the ball in. Watch a match in which Dave plays, and you can see how he makes it up to the kitchen line 99% of the time.
Staying back on a poorly hit 3rd shot is fine (unless your opponent slices one into the kitchen).
Yes, actually it’s preferred!
i dont agree. and it is the riskiest move to make. And it makes more net shots than kitchen shots
Don’t agree with what ?
@@primetimepickleball with the third shot strategy.
But Dave only annihilates his opponents. That's all he knows :)
True!
Why not show the shot from a full court perspective!
I had no idea Woody Harrelson played pickleball!
lol! I think you might be the second person to have commented that.
Why is the third shot drop the most impotant shot in the game? You can never, ever lose a point if you miss it. Whereass the second shot, return of serve, will always cost you a point if you miss it. You can only miss 10 second shots but an unlimited number of third shots...
It's the most pivotal shot in the game. It determines how the rest of the point will go. If the serving team makes a good 3rd shot drop, can advance to the NVZ line and neutralizes the point then the whole dynamic of the point changes. The return is important and so is the serve but nothing makes a bigger impact on the outcome of the rest of the point like the 3rd shot drop. It basically determines if the serving team can stay in the point or not.
@@primetimepickleball got it, thanks.
I have been playing Pickleball for 1.5 years and I play the power shot game and dink as a last resort...I am 59 and maybe i have not had the right competition yet but I win 90% of my games because first most people can’t handle my power game and second I let the defence make the mistakes with their dink shots which most people are only at 50-60 % with them...I will change my game play when my win loss record reverts to more losses than wins with the power shot game .... but for now power all the way😎
That’s great Brian. Yes, most likely you haven’t played anyone over the 4.0 level. Usually it is around 4.5 where it can become really tough to always win by hitting hard all the time.
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Hi again I had a question about your ranking /number system...you mentioned if I played with 4.5 players the power game might not work or have to be adjusted.... how do you get that ranking? I just went 10 and 0 this morning with the power finesse game...
I still don't know what a good shot looks like because he never showed it.
We'll try to do one showing it soon!
6:08, the guy in the background looses it !
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6:30 What the hell? A backspin into the kitchen and you're dead, no matter how fast you are.
? Not sure I understood this comment.
I think someone else also commented this same sentiment below. Anyone at the 4.0 level or above who has a good backhand slice will just drop your missed 3rd shot into the kitchen crosscourt at an angle and you won't get it if you don't take at least a step in.
Sorry.. never saw the actual 3rd drop in action across the net with a real players !
Watch him in action tomorrow in the finals of the US OPEN!
Is it just me or when Weinbach is on the screen does anyone else hear, “badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom!”?
Maybe just you ☺️
Can't even see his 3rd shot drop 🙄
Sorry, only had one camera that day.
Guy needs to lay off the coffee
Stealing money. Pickle ball pro should teach drinking water and breathing. How about competitive walking.
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it is NOT the most important shot
What is?
Lame! Tell me exactly what you are trying to do on every 3,5,7... and I’ll no exactly were to be to counter it. P.S FTLOG! BEND YOUR KNEES MAN!
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What a waste of a tennis court
Actually this is a pickleball court.
Dave has one of the worst third shots at the 5.0 level, so easy to attack
Yes, it’s so bad that it’s earned him gold medals on the biggest stages in the game of pickleball.
Nick, can you link your videos?