Really interesting video, love this breakdown! I think I would add Coach as a "Power Goat", as he had done a ton of the leading in tandem with Sophie, but framed his game in such a way that made it unpalatable for people to vote for him. It was a pretty large gamble on Sophie's part that Coach would do that against the jury. I also get the impression from how unhappy that jury was that Sophie finagled one of the only F3s she could win, which would suggest she was sitting next to 2 goats.
This is a new survivor cast Follow goats: Troy, Natalie, Sherri, Ken, Monica and Phillip Power: Sugar, Stephanie, Russell, Ryan, Spencer, and Tasha Hybrid: Dreamz, Missy, Dawn, Albert, Hannah and Gervase
This cast is wild. Follow tribe = nothing happens (gets decimated no one ever makes a decision) Power tribe = absolute chaos (camp probably burns down in day 2) Hybrid tribe = just filled with pretty meh characters.
Peridiam Can u do a video on females or males who used their beauty 2 further advance themselves, like flirting with people so they can vote their way or even forming a romantic relationship.
Awesome video!! Spencer isn't a goat. He beats Tasha and Abi, and could possibly beat Keith too. He had quite the resume and was pegged as a big threat by everyone left in the game. Had a few things fallen differently, he could have won Cambodia for sure. I also think Dawn likely beats Eddie/Sherri, and isn't a goat. Also Kim's goats from One World should probably be on here. But again, great video. Awesome to see all of this broken down.
Heyya! Yeah, Spencer is one of my fringe picks, alongside Dawn. I think Sabrina wins if Kim isn't there (swap her for Christina/Alicia/Kat). Chelsea likely wins without either of Kim/Sabrina.
AnimationEpic No Keith would’ve creamed him, Spencer got too arrogant and rubbed the jury the wrong way. He didn’t have any social game the edit wanted us to believe. Worst part of Camboria is his fake journey edit.
In my opinion, Jeremy winning, in a 10-0-0 vote, wasn't him bringing two power goats to the end, as i think it was more or less, just a testament to his game, and how good he was.
I think that if he wasn't always talking about his family then it probably would have been more evenly distributed by the votes. (but he still would have won)
I agree on Jeremy's game, but according to the cast Spencer and Tasha could not win in any F3 except for maybe vs Abi Maria. I would guess if Kass somehow made it, maybe vs her as well.
Can we get a top 5 or 10 purposeful moves that ended up ruining someone's game? Like a move somebody thought would help them, but in the end screwed them over.
@@user-nr4kd6hb8s It really didn't. Parv lost that jury because she had no chance to win it. How on earth do you form social connections with a group of people who are actively ignoring you?
@@brycerichardson3687 Parv would've won against Russell and Danielle. If Parvati told Russell about the second idol, Russell wouldn't get paranoid and send Danielle home, making them 3 the final 3 and Parvati winning.
Nah, Angelina was on the wrong side of so many votes and basically had no agency or respect from anyone after the merge. I think she would lose to every single member of the jury except maybe Elizabeth, and she was a dream goat to take to the end, so no one had any interest in voting her out after maybe the second or third vote after the merge. She kind of reminds me of Tai in Kaoh Rong, who also made a lot of bad moves and had no chance by the end. At least Tai had the excuse that English was not his first language and was a jury threat earlier, while Angelina was just a bad player, albeit unintentional comedy gold.
Angelina from David vs. Goliath is definitely a Hybrid Goat. She held some control over the Goliath alliance and was more than willing to come up with plans of her own. The jury just viewed her gameplay as "malicious" compared to Mike and Nick, so she didn't get a single jury vote.
Peridiam, is always uploading right before i go to class and i’m sitting here waiting for 50 minutes to pass so i can watch this! i’m always entertained! keep up the great work!
I think he beats a lot of people. He was well liked. Rumour has it the jury was planning to vote for him and switched to Natalie because she did better at FTC, but they both had very similar games.
I wouldn't classify him as a goat, because going into final tribal, the jury was leaning towards voting for him, but Natalie's performance there swayed people
Peridiam Would the top 5 be from either 5 people from a season or total? The 5 seasons I wouldn't mind seeing are Amazon, Paearl Islands, HvV, Cagayan and MVGX
Would personally put Sherri in the hybrid category. She was pretty passive post-merge sure, but she ran the fans tribe along with Laura completely pre-swap & only really stopped playing because she was heavily down in numbers when the merge started. If she had tried to make a power-move during the merge & seize control like in the early game she would've gotten booted for being a threat by the big favorite alliance.
Charles Toti Vanuatu didn't have a bitter jury, Chris was easily the better player between the 2 in the finals. His last 4-5 episodes were some of the best runs of episodes a player has ever had in the show
I'd say Bitter Juries for sure exist, but if you are the "power" player, and make a jury bitter, you don't deserve the win at all. All of the juries vote for who they think played the best game, if you think one of them made the "wrong" decision, you need to rewatch how each player played the game, and understand that its what won over that specific jury. If you don't have a great social game (Russell) or piss off the jury some how some way (Aubry, Rob, Twila) you don't deserve the win.
Another power goat in my opinion was Natalie from Fans vs Favorites. She followed Parvati but played her own game at the start. Cirie was the mastermind of the Erik immunity necklace incident, so I feel like Natalie just went along for the ride.
Laurel from Ghost Island is FOR SURE a follower goat....she had chances to change the game and even acknowledged it, but decided she would rather be safe in her alliance with Dom and Wendell who she had no chance of winning against at the end
Goats After 36: Laurel: Follower Angelina: Hybrid (She could also be seen as a power) Julie: Follower Gavin: Hybrid (He falls into a similar category to Spencer that he could win depending on who he's up against) Noura: Hybrid (Michelle is hard to rank despite defaulting to being a goat as she doesn't fit any of the three categories. She was following no one most of the merge, had very little power and was on the bottom, though I do see her winning in certain combinations)
Never saw the Troyzan speech! I only saw his OG season so it gave me a little more respect to him. Although GC Sarah notoriously strategically murdered everyone and Brad dominated physically . They also had a pre game alliance which is well known (and now apparently pre gaming is controversial after s40 *i really feel like everyone on s40 talked to at least one other person before leaving regardless of what they all say* ) I think it was just because they were all winners all of them rightfully had an ego and thays why the GC f3 werent torn to shreds for pre gaming, maybe they were. considering the jury didnt have an alternative and its not like cbs would air any jury members skewing the shows portrayal of itself . But regardless Troyzan laying down and dying like that for Sarah and Brad is super respectful. Many in his category should have seen the writing on the wall as well. especially Sherri, Phillip, Natalie . although all 3 of their FTC performances were essentially laying down and dying just in a cringe way. Also Woo is 100% deserving to be in the follower goat category IMO, also Lisa is a goat im sorry i know alot disagree but she is essentialy Dawn but the only way she wins is with skupin and abi.
I love this list, I agree with most of these maybe move 2 of them but this is awesome. Maybe you can create categories and analyze the 36 winners. I'm curious to see how many categories you come up for winners
Recency bias admitted, my GOAT goat is Angelina from DvG. My favorites are the ones who don’t know they’re goats, and she genuinely thought she was going to win because of her “jury management.” Then pulled zero votes because no one respected her game. Hilarious.
I had a different way of classifying goats but I think both ways are very interesting! Here’s mine (not all examples are finalists, I know, but they were still goats): 1. Follower goats who knew they had almost no shot at winning and no resume yet voluntarily did nothing to change their situation because they’ve already accepted that they won’t win (Natalie Tennerelli, Laurel, etc.) 2. The overly confident goats who 100% think they have it in the bag but are completely delusional and don’t realize the jury’s perceptions of them (Phillip, Russel, Skupin, etc.) 3. The self-aware goats who realize deep into the game that they are becoming follower goats so they make flashy moves to just have something on their resume but it’s too little too late (Dawn, Dean, Donathan, etc.)
I agree but IMO Laurel was not a goat. She had some possible winnable Final 3s. Granted with her over loyalty to Wendell and Dom they probably weren't happening, but that still makes her not a total goat. Someone like Natalie T can never win against anyone no matter what, so that is a more accurate follower goat than Laurel who atleast might win in some scenarios.
@@rolandgreen7484 Laurel may have won in some other final 3s, but none of them would have been possible with Laurel playing the way she did. By the time Dom and Wendell took charge, Laurel was basically a necessity for any alliance to take one or both of them out, and Laurel wasn't willing to flip. With Laurel staying so loyal to Dom and Wendell, there was no chance neither of them would make it to the final 3. There were other final 3s that would have been winnable, but none of them were possible without either Dom or Wendell sitting next to her. So let's look at different possible scenarios of how Laurel could have made it to the end and won (not trying to be mean or anything, I just find this fun to talk about). If Dom and Wendell had been taken out early on without Laurel flipping on them, then the alliance that took them out would have been the frontrunners and Laurel would have been in the minority and likely would have been voted out. Even if she did make it to the end in that case, one of the people who took out Dom and Wendell probably would have won for making such a big move, so Laurel most likely would have lost. It would have been possible for the frontrunners to be voted out before the final 3, but that would have required Laurel making some big moves to make it that far. If Laurel had flipped and was involved in taking out Dom and Wendell, then she would have played an entirely different game. Yes, she would have won if she made it to the end in that scenario, but she would undeniably no longer be considered a goat since she would have made the biggest move of the entire game. So yes, there were some winnable final 3s where Laurel could have won, but they were completely impossible with the way she played the game. Without her flipping, there is no way she could have made it to the end and won without making a big move on her own, at least in a way that would be foreseeable and would make sense considering the jury was looking at strategy primarily. If Dom and Wendell were taken out without Laurel flipping on them, then that means other people made a big move early on in the merge that would have completely altered the way the rest of the game played out. People who might seem like they would lose to Laurel if they were in a final 3 with her may actually have been in a good position to win if they took out Dom and Wendell if Laurel had no part in it. SOMEONE would have had to make a big move to put them in a position to win if neither Dom nor Wendell made it to the final 3.
Lol you completely forgot about Mick from Samoa. And I would even include Russell from Samoa considering Natalie’s entire strategy was to ride Russell’s coattails as he pissed everyone off on their way to the end and then beat him.
Except Mick is not a goat. He easily wins in a Final 3 with Jaison and Shambo. He also probably wins in a Final 3 with Jaison and Russell, although that would be close between him and Russell. He wins a Final 3 with Shambo and Fincher easily too. You can't say Russell or Mick from Samoa as that is saying every 3rd person wins over them which is not true at all. Jaison, Shambo and Fincher for sure don't. I am not even sure if Monica does.
Katie tried to vote Tom out at the final 7, but Caryn wouldn't flip. Hard to define her as a complete follower since she at least attempted to make a move, and was still able to wiggle herself back into the inner circle.
Again, well done Peridiam! Love your videos and concepts. I would also love to see some countdowns and rundowns of unique/memorable/exciting reward and immunity challenges (e.g. perfectly executed, come-from-behind) during pre-merge. Post-merge...best survivor auctions, maybe? :-)
I don't think all these players are goats so much in of themselves. They just say next to clear winners. Sometimes the winners are so clear they could sit next to almost anyone and still win.
I for one think that Donathan Hurley from survivor Season 36. Though he did lash out from his leaders, Dominick and Wendell and he ended up getting voted out by the 2
Koah Rong is so confusing that I don’t think anyone could be labeled as a goat other than Scot and Jason. Aubrey likely would’ve won if Joe wasn’t evacuated, Tai could’ve won with him, Scot, and Jason, and the others, like Cydney, it’s hard to say for them as all of the final 5 were disliked by the jury expect for Michele. I love Michele’s win, but I would love to see the other ways that finale could’ve ended without her in it or if Joe didn’t get evacuated.
Koah Rong is funny all around. Cydney actually probably beats Michele in a Michele-Tai-Cydney F3. I mean think about it Debbie, Nick, Neal, Aubry, Joe all likely vote her in that F3 giving her the win, even if MIchele still gets to remove a juror. Yet Tai might win a F3 with Cydney and Aubry. Tai would probably get Scot, Jason, Julia. Cydney probably gets Debbie, Michele, and Nick although Nick could go either way between Cydney and Aubry. Aubry gets Neal, Joe, maybe Nick. Aubry might win a F3 vs Cydney and Joe. She probably gets Tai, Joe, Scot, Jason, Julia in that F3. I would say the biggest goat in the cast is probably Scot, and maybe Debbie. Not sure they win in any F3.
I guess the video starter is assuming Rob could win in some Final 2s. I am not sure. I honestly don't think Amber beats anyone but Rob, so there is a good shot Rob doesn't beat anyone either.
Another amazing video! I agree with most of your analysis but the few people I disagree with is Tasha and Ryan as power goats. Tasha followed Jeremy too much. Same with Ryan he went passive at merge and followed Chrissy, although he was in a power position at pre merge it was a completely different story at merge. There were a few I would remove like Tai. The lesson of this video is that Survivor is very complicated and that jury management will always be different season by season.
I would argue against Spencer being a goat, but I totally see why you would consider and ultimately place him in the list. Cambodia is my favorite season and he had very strong gameplay, though not well rounded, and I honestly think he had a chance of winning the season but only under very specific circumstances. If there was no Jeremy expecting another child and if there were several people who weren't Jeremy (Kimmi, Abi... other than that I don't know for sure). I think he focused on forming relationships but he isn't someone who has the ability to make so many relationships with so many different people in such a short amount of time. Plus, he was against Jeremy in that final tribal and nobody was beating him. Great video as always!
Always excellent videos. Would there be a type of goat category for Colby in Australia? Maybe worst goat herder for picking the only person who could beat him?
Mike was definitely not a goat. Mike could've even won against Nick, hadn't the latter's tribal been so fantastic while Mike's was just kinda mediocre. But Laurel and Angelina were definitely goats, and Cassandra from Fiji was also for sure a goat. Not sure why she wasn't discussed.
Great video! HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU FORGET THE ULTIMATE FOLLOWER GOAT: BECKY IN COOK ISLANDS? The woman had basically as much chance of winning as she had of burning down the island. A total follower of Yul’s masterful game. We could say that Kim Johnson from Africa qualifies as a goat. She may not use the word, but she herself admitted that she was hopeless against Ethan or Lex and that she decided who to take to FTC based on who deserved it more. That’s a total self-acknowledged goat. IMO she’s a follower goat to the likes of Lex. Cassandra from Fiji is definitely also a goat, though I wouldn’t be sure how to classify her. But she stood no chance to win against whoever in that season. Mick from Samoa? A follower goat all the way. The man was useless for anything but to follow on Russell’s lead. As Shambo put it, his gameplay was “feckless”. Chelsea from One World may classify as a hybrid goat. She made some moves, but she essentially played the game under mighty Kim’s thumb.
I think Cassandra/Becky both stood a decent chance to win, or at least lose by a 1 vote difference had Cook Islands and Fiji both been final 2 seasons. If Cook Islands was a final 2 with Ozzy winning immunity and taking Becky, it's not the slam dunk for Ozzy that all you think it would be, because people here seem to forget that not everyone on the jury liked Ozzy, and out of the people that voted for Yul at the end, Penner/Candice are the two most likely to switch their votes to Becky had she been in the F2 and Yul hadn't, because those two didn't have many kind words to say about Ozzy in the final tribal, and obviously Yul would vote for his day 1 ally Becky. So if Becky loses, it's gonna be a close 4-3 split (hardly goat worthy, don't you think). Same with Cassandra, because had it been an F2 like everyone on Fiji assumed it would be, and she'd been up there with Dreamz, his style of play could take votes away from him and towards Cassandra
I feel like you missed Becky from Cook Islands, Cassandra from Fiji and Susie from Gabon as MAJOR follower goats... I honestly forget sometimes that they made the finals 😂 (and Susie almost won!!)
Your goat list is too long. A goat can't win against anyone. So Coach is not a goat as he definitely had some winning combos. Missy really isn't either. She has a good shot in a Final 3 without Natalie in it. Kim J beats some people like Frank and Brandon, so she isn't a total goat. Becky easily beats Sundra and Penner, and comes close to winning a Final 2 with Ozzy. Chelsea beats almost everyone but Kim and Sabrina, so definitely not a goat by the traditional meaning. And Mick has a good shot of winning over Jaison and Russell.
th-cam.com/video/DOVv_ty2bnA/w-d-xo.html this is her full game. I made this video on my second channel but its pretty choppy. I had to shorten it because it kept getting claimed by CBS so I made it around 15 minutes long.Cassandra was anticipating a final 2 with Dreamz where she most likely wins, but obviously Fiji had a final 3, not a final 2. I believe she wanted herself, Dreamz and possibly Stacy/Boo in the final 3 with her and apparently a lot of people did not like Stacy and Boo. Had Yau not played his idol at the final 6 things may have gone differently for Cassandra.
@@Peridiam She is a hybrid. She had a fair bit of power at times actually, and Earl was even reliant on her for safety quite often. She probably beats any combination of Stacey, Dreamz, and Lisa, so probably not a goat anyway.
I dont think Hannah is a goat at all If she votes out Brett at final 7 Jay still goes at 6 She votes out David at 5 Votes out Adam at 4 because it was between Hannah and ken in the challenge And wins against sunday and ken
Hannah is a *textbook* hybrid goat. The only way she can win is a F2 against Ken, and there is a very good chance that Ken can put up a fight because he likely gets all of the Gen X votes. Hannah was *incredibly* wishy-washy and a lot of her moves were perceived by the jury as nonsensical. And don’t be fooled by Sunday’s poor edit. She was a massive social threat, well-liked by everyone and had a great story (a cancer survivor). The only other person Hannah might have had a shot against in the F8 was Will, due to his youth, but I have no doubt in a F3 with Ken and Hannah, Will might’ve actually been favored to win. A lot of people have touted that Hannah had a strong FTC, but I don't see it. She came off very desperate, talking over people and interrupting them, and I don't think anyone on the jury could've possibly been swayed because even though Hannah put most of them on the jury, it was through what they perceived (and indeed what was) very poor gameplay. There is no way that Hannah would've followed the path you laid out, because it doesn't take into account how irrational Hannah was. That was why she lost. Not because she flipped or voted people out, but *how* she did it, where she seemed to make big random moves solely for the sake of it, all while keeping Jay/David in the game.
Chris from this season Ghost Island is the definition of a power goat imo. He’s telling his old tribe which votes to make but nobody really likes him they only keep him on because of the numbers
@@NYChica23 Just reading both of your comments and Realizing all of those mentioned made final tribal with Kim or made the F7 or 8 i forget when Kim blindsided Kat(?) Made me realize how horrible that cast was aside from Kim. At least Redemption island w Boston Rob had Andrea who initially pretty much followed as that season started but became super aware after the 1st vote. She was the shining star in that cast. Only person in her giant alliance who knew Rob was gonna sweep them all out hard.
I really don't agree with most of the second half of your power goat list. Adding them makes, to me, the definition of goat far to broad. Many of them I don't think were being carried, and they very well could have won, and I think, deserved it. That's just my opinion though. Also, Abi is totally a goat. Id say hybrid.
Coach definently a Power Goat. The way he alienates everyone just makes him the a goat. Yes he got 3 votes but i still think he has 0% chance of winning.
They need to introduce "Goat Island". Like redemption, only for goats. And it will be fun to watch how they are looking for leader to follow.
this exists, it's called survivor nicaragua
@@Hypershade39🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭
@@Hypershade39 That season is so underrated Chase, Holly, Brenda, Marty, and Jane are all definitely not Goats (Jane still sucks tho)
Translation:
- Follower Goat - too passive
- Power Goat - too aggressive
- Hybrid Goat - well-rounded but ANNOYING personality
“i mean maybe they’re parents love them, i’m sure their boyfriends not that cool” - tyson
classic quote perdiam😂😂😂
i read this as soon as i heard it
Russell: oh this girl is a cute blonde so she is immediately dumb
Is goat
iVol c; he told PARVATI, to ride his cotails. Lol! She got triggered and made him ride hers instead
@@tacopizza493 Russell carried Parvati to the end she and Sandra just got lucky that Russell angered too many people in the jury
@@sumyakraj9076 Parvati carried Russell she saved him because she knew she would beat him.
@@Lsaldana92 yeah it’s not like Russell risked being voted out to save Parvati
Really interesting video, love this breakdown! I think I would add Coach as a "Power Goat", as he had done a ton of the leading in tandem with Sophie, but framed his game in such a way that made it unpalatable for people to vote for him. It was a pretty large gamble on Sophie's part that Coach would do that against the jury. I also get the impression from how unhappy that jury was that Sophie finagled one of the only F3s she could win, which would suggest she was sitting next to 2 goats.
Coach beats everyone but Ozzy if he owns up to his game
This is a new survivor cast
Follow goats: Troy, Natalie, Sherri, Ken, Monica and Phillip
Power: Sugar, Stephanie, Russell, Ryan, Spencer, and Tasha
Hybrid: Dreamz, Missy, Dawn, Albert, Hannah and Gervase
This cast is wild.
Follow tribe = nothing happens (gets decimated no one ever makes a decision)
Power tribe = absolute chaos (camp probably burns down in day 2)
Hybrid tribe = just filled with pretty meh characters.
@@TheLoserface45 HAHA!
I love this rooting for Russel and Spencer
So which of the 3 types of goats would you be? I'd probably be a hybrid. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Peridiam In orgs I'm normally more of a hybrid if I get to the FTC
You're a Follower Goat.
Peridiam Neither.
Peridiam Can u do a video on females or males who used their beauty 2 further advance themselves, like flirting with people so they can vote their way or even forming a romantic relationship.
Well I am not much of a goat. I would make moves but if I am a goat I am a power goat.
My favorite survivor was Mark. He may not have been human, but he made it almost to the end. Broke my heart when he left.
Awesome video!!
Spencer isn't a goat. He beats Tasha and Abi, and could possibly beat Keith too. He had quite the resume and was pegged as a big threat by everyone left in the game. Had a few things fallen differently, he could have won Cambodia for sure.
I also think Dawn likely beats Eddie/Sherri, and isn't a goat. Also Kim's goats from One World should probably be on here. But again, great video. Awesome to see all of this broken down.
oh hey i used to watch ur videos, Hi!
Heyya! Yeah, Spencer is one of my fringe picks, alongside Dawn. I think Sabrina wins if Kim isn't there (swap her for Christina/Alicia/Kat). Chelsea likely wins without either of Kim/Sabrina.
Used to! Whaaaaat?
AnimationEpic No Keith would’ve creamed him, Spencer got too arrogant and rubbed the jury the wrong way. He didn’t have any social game the edit wanted us to believe. Worst part of Camboria is his fake journey edit.
Eddie wouldve won.
Am I crazy or is Woo from Cagayan a follower goat
Brynna Rosenberg I’m a Woo fan but I agree. He followed two different leaders in Cliff and Tony
He's a total follower but I'd need to see the math on him beating Kass. I've heard it's possible she wins.
Hybrid?
@@Peridiam How about the reunion show?
Peridiam ya woo would beat kass any day
Loving that Tocantins Tyson quote about Sierra
In my opinion, Jeremy winning, in a 10-0-0 vote, wasn't him bringing two power goats to the end, as i think it was more or less, just a testament to his game, and how good he was.
I think that if he wasn't always talking about his family then it probably would have been more evenly distributed by the votes. (but he still would have won)
Brownie Bot yeah Ciera was gonna vote for spencer but then changed her vote after Jeremy cried at tribal
I agree on Jeremy's game, but according to the cast Spencer and Tasha could not win in any F3 except for maybe vs Abi Maria. I would guess if Kass somehow made it, maybe vs her as well.
Wasnt it 9-1-0?? I dont think Jeremy was a unanimous winner
Exactly. Tasha and Spencer weren't goats by any means.
Laurel is the Queen of follower goats. She even knew she couldn't beat Dom and Wendell and she still went with them.
Can we get a top 5 or 10 purposeful moves that ended up ruining someone's game? Like a move somebody thought would help them, but in the end screwed them over.
Lauren Coates Oh, like the Cochran flip in South Pacific?
or giving idols to someone in the other tribe? :p
Parvati's double idol played ruined her game honestly
@@user-nr4kd6hb8s It really didn't. Parv lost that jury because she had no chance to win it. How on earth do you form social connections with a group of people who are actively ignoring you?
@@brycerichardson3687 Parv would've won against Russell and Danielle. If Parvati told Russell about the second idol, Russell wouldn't get paranoid and send Danielle home, making them 3 the final 3 and Parvati winning.
1:50 , who caught the Tyson reference, because it was fire!!!!!!!!
Jacob Kosinovsky Yup.
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I wasn’t paying attention... I don’t really care...
TYSON! Greatest survivor quotes of all time!
I got that! He said it in a confessional in Tocantins about Sierra.
I really like the idea for this video!
Angelina from David vs Goliath is a power goat imo, this was made before that season was made so yeah, there you go folks.
She is a hybrid goat. She was a bigtime follower a lot of the game.
Natalie, can I have your jacket?
Nah, Angelina was on the wrong side of so many votes and basically had no agency or respect from anyone after the merge. I think she would lose to every single member of the jury except maybe Elizabeth, and she was a dream goat to take to the end, so no one had any interest in voting her out after maybe the second or third vote after the merge. She kind of reminds me of Tai in Kaoh Rong, who also made a lot of bad moves and had no chance by the end. At least Tai had the excuse that English was not his first language and was a jury threat earlier, while Angelina was just a bad player, albeit unintentional comedy gold.
Angelina from David vs. Goliath is definitely a Hybrid Goat. She held some control over the Goliath alliance and was more than willing to come up with plans of her own. The jury just viewed her gameplay as "malicious" compared to Mike and Nick, so she didn't get a single jury vote.
Peridiam, is always uploading right before i go to class and i’m sitting here waiting for 50 minutes to pass so i can watch this! i’m always entertained! keep up the great work!
Ahhhh only 25 minutes to go!!
Where's Mick from Samoa or is he in the secret goat group? The Irrelevant Goat group......
John Bradson I think he beats shambo and maybe Jaison
I think he beats a lot of people. He was well liked. Rumour has it the jury was planning to vote for him and switched to Natalie because she did better at FTC, but they both had very similar games.
I wouldn't classify him as a goat, because going into final tribal, the jury was leaning towards voting for him, but Natalie's performance there swayed people
Irrelevant? The word you’re looking for is feckless.
@@TurdleyCorn Shambo has entered the chat
“But I don’t know about thaaat” SANDRA QUOTE, I LOVE
Can we have top 5 worst players from good seasons?
Worst players as in gameplay?
Peridiam Based on
Game play
Challenge performance
Moves they made
Peridiam Would the top 5 be from either 5 people from a season or total? The 5 seasons I wouldn't mind seeing are Amazon, Paearl Islands, HvV, Cagayan and MVGX
@@Peridiam do this video and yes
Woohoo! You know, I go crazy whenever you launch a new video. Gonna like, comment and share till you go viral! Keep up the amazing work!!!
Would personally put Sherri in the hybrid category. She was pretty passive post-merge sure, but she ran the fans tribe along with Laura completely pre-swap & only really stopped playing because she was heavily down in numbers when the merge started. If she had tried to make a power-move during the merge & seize control like in the early game she would've gotten booted for being a threat by the big favorite alliance.
I like the survivor quotes peridiam does randomly
1:52 I love the tocantians reference that Tyson said
Sending love from a Filipino fan. 💕
Jose Czar Casas yah yah yah. hahahaha
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Top 5 bitter jury 👏👏
Charles Toti Bitter juries don't exist. If you can't get the jury to vote for you, then your gameplay failed ☺
Gary Benjamin Holt Jr.
All-stars ??!!
Vanuatu ??!!
Samoa ???!
Heroes vs villains ?!!!
KAOH (W)RONG ???!!!!
Charles Toti Vanuatu didn't have a bitter jury, Chris was easily the better player between the 2 in the finals. His last 4-5 episodes were some of the best runs of episodes a player has ever had in the show
Charles Toti YESSSS
I'd say Bitter Juries for sure exist, but if you are the "power" player, and make a jury bitter, you don't deserve the win at all. All of the juries vote for who they think played the best game, if you think one of them made the "wrong" decision, you need to rewatch how each player played the game, and understand that its what won over that specific jury. If you don't have a great social game (Russell) or piss off the jury some how some way (Aubry, Rob, Twila) you don't deserve the win.
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that tyson quote was masterful
Another power goat in my opinion was Natalie from Fans vs Favorites. She followed Parvati but played her own game at the start. Cirie was the mastermind of the Erik immunity necklace incident, so I feel like Natalie just went along for the ride.
Laurel from Ghost Island is FOR SURE a follower goat....she had chances to change the game and even acknowledged it, but decided she would rather be safe in her alliance with Dom and Wendell who she had no chance of winning against at the end
Whenever you say “hybrid goats”, I just think of a cyborg goat that has smoke coming out of its tail.
Love the Sandra reference "But I don't know about thaaaaat"
favorite channel on youtube. i look forward to your videos. keep up the good work!
Good job man, you should do a count down for a Returnees Legends Season.
Goats After 36:
Laurel: Follower
Angelina: Hybrid (She could also be seen as a power)
Julie: Follower
Gavin: Hybrid (He falls into a similar category to Spencer that he could win depending on who he's up against)
Noura: Hybrid
(Michelle is hard to rank despite defaulting to being a goat as she doesn't fit any of the three categories. She was following no one most of the merge, had very little power and was on the bottom, though I do see her winning in certain combinations)
Never saw the Troyzan speech! I only saw his OG season so it gave me a little more respect to him. Although GC Sarah notoriously strategically murdered everyone and Brad dominated physically . They also had a pre game alliance which is well known (and now apparently pre gaming is controversial after s40 *i really feel like everyone on s40 talked to at least one other person before leaving regardless of what they all say* ) I think it was just because they were all winners all of them rightfully had an ego and thays why the GC f3 werent torn to shreds for pre gaming, maybe they were. considering the jury didnt have an alternative and its not like cbs would air any jury members skewing the shows portrayal of itself . But regardless Troyzan laying down and dying like that for Sarah and Brad is super respectful. Many in his category should have seen the writing on the wall as well. especially Sherri, Phillip, Natalie . although all 3 of their FTC performances were essentially laying down and dying just in a cringe way. Also Woo is 100% deserving to be in the follower goat category IMO, also Lisa is a goat im sorry i know alot disagree but she is essentialy Dawn but the only way she wins is with skupin and abi.
I love this list, I agree with most of these maybe move 2 of them but this is awesome. Maybe you can create categories and analyze the 36 winners. I'm curious to see how many categories you come up for winners
Love that subtle Tyson quote at the start
I want Peridiam invited to rhap.
Recency bias admitted, my GOAT goat is Angelina from DvG. My favorites are the ones who don’t know they’re goats, and she genuinely thought she was going to win because of her “jury management.” Then pulled zero votes because no one respected her game. Hilarious.
@Peridiam I love your subtle quoting of players from the show!
Love your videos, please keep them coming!
I love the Tyson quote with the family and boyfriend!
I had a different way of classifying goats but I think both ways are very interesting! Here’s mine (not all examples are finalists, I know, but they were still goats):
1. Follower goats who knew they had almost no shot at winning and no resume yet voluntarily did nothing to change their situation because they’ve already accepted that they won’t win (Natalie Tennerelli, Laurel, etc.)
2. The overly confident goats who 100% think they have it in the bag but are completely delusional and don’t realize the jury’s perceptions of them (Phillip, Russel, Skupin, etc.)
3. The self-aware goats who realize deep into the game that they are becoming follower goats so they make flashy moves to just have something on their resume but it’s too little too late (Dawn, Dean, Donathan, etc.)
I agree but IMO Laurel was not a goat. She had some possible winnable Final 3s. Granted with her over loyalty to Wendell and Dom they probably weren't happening, but that still makes her not a total goat. Someone like Natalie T can never win against anyone no matter what, so that is a more accurate follower goat than Laurel who atleast might win in some scenarios.
@@rolandgreen7484 Laurel may have won in some other final 3s, but none of them would have been possible with Laurel playing the way she did. By the time Dom and Wendell took charge, Laurel was basically a necessity for any alliance to take one or both of them out, and Laurel wasn't willing to flip. With Laurel staying so loyal to Dom and Wendell, there was no chance neither of them would make it to the final 3. There were other final 3s that would have been winnable, but none of them were possible without either Dom or Wendell sitting next to her. So let's look at different possible scenarios of how Laurel could have made it to the end and won (not trying to be mean or anything, I just find this fun to talk about). If Dom and Wendell had been taken out early on without Laurel flipping on them, then the alliance that took them out would have been the frontrunners and Laurel would have been in the minority and likely would have been voted out. Even if she did make it to the end in that case, one of the people who took out Dom and Wendell probably would have won for making such a big move, so Laurel most likely would have lost. It would have been possible for the frontrunners to be voted out before the final 3, but that would have required Laurel making some big moves to make it that far. If Laurel had flipped and was involved in taking out Dom and Wendell, then she would have played an entirely different game. Yes, she would have won if she made it to the end in that scenario, but she would undeniably no longer be considered a goat since she would have made the biggest move of the entire game. So yes, there were some winnable final 3s where Laurel could have won, but they were completely impossible with the way she played the game. Without her flipping, there is no way she could have made it to the end and won without making a big move on her own, at least in a way that would be foreseeable and would make sense considering the jury was looking at strategy primarily. If Dom and Wendell were taken out without Laurel flipping on them, then that means other people made a big move early on in the merge that would have completely altered the way the rest of the game played out. People who might seem like they would lose to Laurel if they were in a final 3 with her may actually have been in a good position to win if they took out Dom and Wendell if Laurel had no part in it. SOMEONE would have had to make a big move to put them in a position to win if neither Dom nor Wendell made it to the final 3.
"They will sleep when they have lost!" lol
Lol you completely forgot about Mick from Samoa. And I would even include Russell from Samoa considering Natalie’s entire strategy was to ride Russell’s coattails as he pissed everyone off on their way to the end and then beat him.
Except Mick is not a goat. He easily wins in a Final 3 with Jaison and Shambo. He also probably wins in a Final 3 with Jaison and Russell, although that would be close between him and Russell. He wins a Final 3 with Shambo and Fincher easily too. You can't say Russell or Mick from Samoa as that is saying every 3rd person wins over them which is not true at all. Jaison, Shambo and Fincher for sure don't. I am not even sure if Monica does.
@@tonypadilla738 Anyone in Galu except Shambo and maybe Fincher would win if they got to the end with Russell
Katie tried to vote Tom out at the final 7, but Caryn wouldn't flip. Hard to define her as a complete follower since she at least attempted to make a move, and was still able to wiggle herself back into the inner circle.
Susie - Gabon, Chelsea - One World, Woo - Cagayan and now Laurel - Ghost Island
6:00 In fairness to Katie, she hung on for over 7 hours.
I was actually impressed with her on that challenge.
So excited to watch this video!
Again, well done Peridiam! Love your videos and concepts. I would also love to see some countdowns and rundowns of unique/memorable/exciting reward and immunity challenges (e.g. perfectly executed, come-from-behind) during pre-merge. Post-merge...best survivor auctions, maybe? :-)
I don't think all these players are goats so much in of themselves. They just say next to clear winners. Sometimes the winners are so clear they could sit next to almost anyone and still win.
Boston Rob belongs in the power goat category for All Stars and I'm a guy who loves Rob.
He sure does. I don't think he beats a single person.
I for one think that Donathan Hurley from survivor Season 36. Though he did lash out from his leaders, Dominick and Wendell and he ended up getting voted out by the 2
Koah Rong is so confusing that I don’t think anyone could be labeled as a goat other than Scot and Jason. Aubrey likely would’ve won if Joe wasn’t evacuated, Tai could’ve won with him, Scot, and Jason, and the others, like Cydney, it’s hard to say for them as all of the final 5 were disliked by the jury expect for Michele. I love Michele’s win, but I would love to see the other ways that finale could’ve ended without her in it or if Joe didn’t get evacuated.
Koah Rong is funny all around. Cydney actually probably beats Michele in a Michele-Tai-Cydney F3. I mean think about it Debbie, Nick, Neal, Aubry, Joe all likely vote her in that F3 giving her the win, even if MIchele still gets to remove a juror. Yet Tai might win a F3 with Cydney and Aubry. Tai would probably get Scot, Jason, Julia. Cydney probably gets Debbie, Michele, and Nick although Nick could go either way between Cydney and Aubry. Aubry gets Neal, Joe, maybe Nick. Aubry might win a F3 vs Cydney and Joe. She probably gets Tai, Joe, Scot, Jason, Julia in that F3.
I would say the biggest goat in the cast is probably Scot, and maybe Debbie. Not sure they win in any F3.
Would be interested in a video comparing power goats to bitter jury victims!
top 5 underdogs (kelly wentworth) ps great videos
I'm a little surprised Becky from CI isnt on here.
I think Boston Rob in All Stars is a clear definition of a power goat, I really thought he was going to be there.
I guess the video starter is assuming Rob could win in some Final 2s. I am not sure. I honestly don't think Amber beats anyone but Rob, so there is a good shot Rob doesn't beat anyone either.
I think players like Lil and Twila are their own unique type called "Misfit" goats, ones who just personally alienate the jury
I’m So Glad You Put Hanna On The List She Doesn’t Get Enough Credit & She Over Came So Much To.
Great video. Love the idea !!!
Another amazing video! I agree with most of your analysis but the few people I disagree with is Tasha and Ryan as power goats. Tasha followed Jeremy too much. Same with Ryan he went passive at merge and followed Chrissy, although he was in a power position at pre merge it was a completely different story at merge. There were a few I would remove like Tai.
The lesson of this video is that Survivor is very complicated and that jury management will always be different season by season.
Just want to thank you for this amazing content
I would argue against Spencer being a goat, but I totally see why you would consider and ultimately place him in the list. Cambodia is my favorite season and he had very strong gameplay, though not well rounded, and I honestly think he had a chance of winning the season but only under very specific circumstances. If there was no Jeremy expecting another child and if there were several people who weren't Jeremy (Kimmi, Abi... other than that I don't know for sure). I think he focused on forming relationships but he isn't someone who has the ability to make so many relationships with so many different people in such a short amount of time. Plus, he was against Jeremy in that final tribal and nobody was beating him. Great video as always!
Always excellent videos. Would there be a type of goat category for Colby in Australia? Maybe worst goat herder for picking the only person who could beat him?
I'd argue that Elisabeth could have beat Colby as well.
Laurel- hybrid
Angelina- power
Mike - power
Fair? 🤷🏻♂️
Mike could’ve won without the fire twist
Mike was definitely not a goat. Mike could've even won against Nick, hadn't the latter's tribal been so fantastic while Mike's was just kinda mediocre. But Laurel and Angelina were definitely goats, and Cassandra from Fiji was also for sure a goat. Not sure why she wasn't discussed.
I don’t think Mike is considered a goat. Spot on with Laurel and Angelina. Julie would be a hybrid too IMO
Russell played a good game. But, something was missing... a good social game.
Absolutely. That goes with quite a few on this list! :)
Your video's are great. Never stop
I'll do my best.
Oh he did Spencer dirty
Kingmakers, kingmakers everywhere
Great video!
HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU FORGET THE ULTIMATE FOLLOWER GOAT: BECKY IN COOK ISLANDS? The woman had basically as much chance of winning as she had of burning down the island. A total follower of Yul’s masterful game.
We could say that Kim Johnson from Africa qualifies as a goat. She may not use the word, but she herself admitted that she was hopeless against Ethan or Lex and that she decided who to take to FTC based on who deserved it more. That’s a total self-acknowledged goat. IMO she’s a follower goat to the likes of Lex.
Cassandra from Fiji is definitely also a goat, though I wouldn’t be sure how to classify her. But she stood no chance to win against whoever in that season.
Mick from Samoa? A follower goat all the way. The man was useless for anything but to follow on Russell’s lead. As Shambo put it, his gameplay was “feckless”.
Chelsea from One World may classify as a hybrid goat. She made some moves, but she essentially played the game under mighty Kim’s thumb.
I think Cassandra/Becky both stood a decent chance to win, or at least lose by a 1 vote difference had Cook Islands and Fiji both been final 2 seasons. If Cook Islands was a final 2 with Ozzy winning immunity and taking Becky, it's not the slam dunk for Ozzy that all you think it would be, because people here seem to forget that not everyone on the jury liked Ozzy, and out of the people that voted for Yul at the end, Penner/Candice are the two most likely to switch their votes to Becky had she been in the F2 and Yul hadn't, because those two didn't have many kind words to say about Ozzy in the final tribal, and obviously Yul would vote for his day 1 ally Becky. So if Becky loses, it's gonna be a close 4-3 split (hardly goat worthy, don't you think). Same with Cassandra, because had it been an F2 like everyone on Fiji assumed it would be, and she'd been up there with Dreamz, his style of play could take votes away from him and towards Cassandra
one of the best videos yet
Jury speeches
Follower power and Hybrid goats I like that break down of goats great vid
Dawn and Tasha were followers. I think Woo and Stephen belong on here somewhere too.
I feel like you missed Becky from Cook Islands, Cassandra from Fiji and Susie from Gabon as MAJOR follower goats... I honestly forget sometimes that they made the finals 😂 (and Susie almost won!!)
Ahh I love Colby's voice 🥰
I think it would be really cool to see a season with all these “goats” broken up exactly how you have them classified.
Follower:
Clay (Thailand)
Matt (Amazon)
Katie (Palau)
Cassandra (Fiji)
Natalie T. (Redemption Island)
Phillip (Redemption Island)
Chelsea (One World)
Sherri (Caramoan)
Monica (BvW)
Will (Worlds Apart)
Ken (MvGX)
Troyzan (Game Changers)
Laurel (Ghost Island)
Power:
Stephenie (Guatemala)
Sugar (Gabon)
Russell (HvV)
Sash (Nicaragua)
Coach (South Pacific)
Missy (SJDS)
Angelina (DvG)
Hybrid:
Kim J. (Africa)
Lill (Pearl Islands)
Twila (Vanuatu)
Becky (Cook Islands)
Dreamz (Fiji)
Mick (Samoa)
Albert (South Pacific)
[redacted] (Philippines)
Gervase (BvW)
Tasha (Cambodia)
Hannah (MvGX)
Julie (Edge of Extinction)
Noura (Island of the Idols)
Your goat list is too long. A goat can't win against anyone. So Coach is not a goat as he definitely had some winning combos. Missy really isn't either. She has a good shot in a Final 3 without Natalie in it. Kim J beats some people like Frank and Brandon, so she isn't a total goat. Becky easily beats Sundra and Penner, and comes close to winning a Final 2 with Ozzy. Chelsea beats almost everyone but Kim and Sabrina, so definitely not a goat by the traditional meaning. And Mick has a good shot of winning over Jaison and Russell.
Great video!
What type of goat would Cassandra from Fiji fall into? Does she win in any scenario?
I honestly had very little read on Cassandra, so maybe a fan of hers could shed some light. I'd say Follower most likely.
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this is her full game. I made this video on my second channel but its pretty choppy. I had to shorten it because it kept getting claimed by CBS so I made it around 15 minutes long.Cassandra was anticipating a final 2 with Dreamz where she most likely wins, but obviously Fiji had a final 3, not a final 2. I believe she wanted herself, Dreamz and possibly Stacy/Boo in the final 3 with her and apparently a lot of people did not like Stacy and Boo. Had Yau not played his idol at the final 6 things may have gone differently for Cassandra.
@@Peridiam She is a hybrid. She had a fair bit of power at times actually, and Earl was even reliant on her for safety quite often.
She probably beats any combination of Stacey, Dreamz, and Lisa, so probably not a goat anyway.
Season 41 GOATS at War
I dont think Hannah is a goat at all
If she votes out Brett at final 7
Jay still goes at 6
She votes out David at 5
Votes out Adam at 4 because it was between Hannah and ken in the challenge
And wins against sunday and ken
I think Sunday had a lot more going on that we didn't see. But I could see argument where Hannah wins this.
And also, her edit was pretty high, because they wanted to make it seem as if she had a shot at winning
I only say this because she says that she should have voted out brett at 7 and then she wouldnt have voted out sunday instead of david
Hannah is a *textbook* hybrid goat. The only way she can win is a F2 against Ken, and there is a very good chance that Ken can put up a fight because he likely gets all of the Gen X votes. Hannah was *incredibly* wishy-washy and a lot of her moves were perceived by the jury as nonsensical. And don’t be fooled by Sunday’s poor edit. She was a massive social threat, well-liked by everyone and had a great story (a cancer survivor). The only other person Hannah might have had a shot against in the F8 was Will, due to his youth, but I have no doubt in a F3 with Ken and Hannah, Will might’ve actually been favored to win. A lot of people have touted that Hannah had a strong FTC, but I don't see it. She came off very desperate, talking over people and interrupting them, and I don't think anyone on the jury could've possibly been swayed because even though Hannah put most of them on the jury, it was through what they perceived (and indeed what was) very poor gameplay.
There is no way that Hannah would've followed the path you laid out, because it doesn't take into account how irrational Hannah was. That was why she lost. Not because she flipped or voted people out, but *how* she did it, where she seemed to make big random moves solely for the sake of it, all while keeping Jay/David in the game.
Hannah should have won as it stood. and she definitely wins against Ken/Bret/Sunday if that could have happened
Chris from this season Ghost Island is the definition of a power goat imo. He’s telling his old tribe which votes to make but nobody really likes him they only keep him on because of the numbers
What about goats that didn’t make it to the end?
Kass - Power Goat
Courtney (Exile Island) - Passive Goat
Keith (TAO) - Hybrid Goat
He said, "I don't know 'bout that." like Sandra did.
You forgot Chelsea from One World!
@Jack nelsen And Sabrina, Alicia, and Kat
@@NYChica23 Just reading both of your comments and Realizing all of those mentioned made final tribal with Kim or made the F7 or 8 i forget when Kim blindsided Kat(?) Made me realize how horrible that cast was aside from Kim. At least Redemption island w Boston Rob had Andrea who initially pretty much followed as that season started but became super aware after the 1st vote. She was the shining star in that cast. Only person in her giant alliance who knew Rob was gonna sweep them all out hard.
I really don't agree with most of the second half of your power goat list. Adding them makes, to me, the definition of goat far to broad. Many of them I don't think were being carried, and they very well could have won, and I think, deserved it. That's just my opinion though.
Also, Abi is totally a goat. Id say hybrid.
the hannah one made me drop my jaw i wanted her to win
I think Katie deserves a little more credit but she didn't stand a chance against Tom
I'd love to see a season full of these people
Survivor: Follower vs. Power vs. Hybrid! lol
love the intro!
Your videos are excellent. Please don’t stop. Post a new video about Ghost Island!!
He post season reviews at the end of every season
Survivor Hannah and Davie said that Jeff cusses behind the scenes
Can we have a video Dedicated to records or things that havent being done yet? such as surviving the redemption island and winning or the car curse
You need to do a video like this about big brother please Peridiam, I implore you.
Coach definently a Power Goat. The way he alienates everyone just makes him the a goat. Yes he got 3 votes but i still think he has 0% chance of winning.