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- My thoughts on turbo vs supercharger setups for foxbody.
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That’s the cool thing about the car hobby. Everyone has an opinion and preference. I’ve owned both and I would never go back to a SC. My turbo makes way more boost and it’s instant, car 60’s in the middle 1.30’s. A turbo with an Automatic is unbeatable imo.
As far as max et track setups the turbo will always be better. But with street car setups it's not always about max et. I'm glad we have alot of options. I'm a tvs blower guy. The way they snap on the hit is just unmatchable by a turbo it doesn't matter how it's sized or what kind of gadgets only brake boosting could do what a tvs does just matting it. It's great. Centris are good for putting power down with their more linear ramp up I can see where they'd be beneficial. They also sound good. Turbos change the exhaust sound quite a bit. It's not bad but it sure isn't classic mustang sound so if you're looking for that turbo probably isn't ideal. If you already have money into a nice header exhaust setup going blower might be good because it can still be utilized. It depends on what YOU want.
Another great example of opinion. If I’m going to the trouble of putting a power adder on my car it’s definitely about max ET. If not, I’m just going to build something for pure reliability and esthetics like a Heads, cam and intake deal. Definitely depends on what you want and it’s best to go into it with a plan and goal.
@@NoFox_Given I like the idea of a turbo car I've experienced 1 in a nissan skyline gtst and I loved it I got a 302 recently and I'm doing a turbo setup with an air to water intercooler as the only difference I'm curious to see how the atw affects the feeling of the boost hitting at 10-12psi on a bone stock refreshed efi engine
I’m a supercharger person as well. Turbos are nice. Just not for me. Also I don’t like how they muffle the exhaust… I like my rumble 😁
I couldn't agree more with you man.
Turbines run off heat energy, not rpm at all..if that was the case, your old powerstroke would never make boost.. superchargers are rpm dependent however.. the reason your turbo spools so quickly if the engine is near its tq peak, is because mass flow is quickly very high as is heat, when you stomp it
Brew2l come to the dark side 351w direct port nitrous 250 shot!
If I was to get a power adder I believe it would be supercharger but It would be on my 68 f100.. great video brew2l.
That would be awesome! 💪👀 thanks Bama
Try an old school Incon or DDMI twin turbo setup. Yeah it sucks to install - have to notch and weld up passenger strut tower for example and servicing plugs is a nightmare, but the relatively small turbos makes for instant off idle boost and crazy power. I have the Incon 800TT kit on a built 347 Dart, TFS heads, ported Holley systemax and it’s an absolute animal. There’s zero and I do mean zero lag. I have two other built euro turbo cars which do each have some element of lag but the mustang is just screaming as soon as you press go! The sound a Vortech makes tho is music to my ears.
I’ve had both. Turbo is superior in almost every way. No belt slippage/breakage, no pullies to change for different boost desired. More power pound for pound of boost. Entry level turbo kits are significantly cheaper and upgraded turbo kits are the same as a comparable SC or less. Cooler discharge air temps with the turbo too. SC is easier to install, but the turbo isn’t all that much more difficult. SC is louder at idle as that’s a plus to some and generally louder exhaust tone without the turbo quieting down the exhaust as well. My car made 100 more lb/ft of torque and 80 more hp on the same setup going from an S trim to an ON3 70mm kit. No other changes.
Everyone knows turbos make more power and are more efficient nobody is debating that. With a street car it isn't just about max power all the time. It changes the exhaust note alot and there is alot of heat to deal with and you can't even get the response a supercharger has without brake boosting it. For max power track setups turbo is always gonna win but it's not always about max et or max power. With a street car there are alot of other things to factor. Of course you're gonna pick up power going to a turbo they don't take power to make power this is common knowledge. It's not just about max power on a street car or at least it shouldn't be. If that is your main consideration when choosing you're doing it wrong.
@@midnight347 did you even bother to read my comment before replying ? I listed many other differences besides “max power” as you keep repeating…
Supercharger all day long.
Perfectly explained, I agree with Supercharger makes it accelerate like a big block, I personally love the noise at idle
The supercharger just feel like an extension of the engine ✊💪
@BREW2L a tvs supercharger is this same concept on steroids lol. They are so nasty on the hit it's incredible on a torque happy 5.4 gt500 ask me how I know lol. 20 psi feels ungodly.
Good video Brother! I agree with all you said and the fact that it boils down to preference!💯
Personally I have always preferred a supercharger because of it being like instant power on tap!👊🏾👊🏾
Exactly, it’s all about what YOU want. They are both different but ultimately they are both very capable/drivable setups ✊😎
Man, its such a situational case. I personally like the SC'er better for a street car. You don't lose that great exhaust note from lopey cam, doesn't generate as much heat and the power comes on more linear. On the other hand launching a brake boosted turbo car on slicks is insane!!
How did you feel about the kenne bell on yellawolf
Great video! I just made my decision to go supercharged now you just backed it up, Thank you
I have 3 mustangs, all 3 have a different boost. Centrifugal, Roots blower and Twin turbos. I've always been a fan of a Roots style blower because of the low end Torque. My twin turbo car is by far the faster/quicker car but like you said, it has a whole different feel. I'm still a fan of a Roots blower or positive displacement supercharger.
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What's the quietest centrifugal supercharger?
Totally agree, It comes down what you like, and what you want. Some like the Aero cars more, some like the
4 eyes more, it all comes down to preference, great content!!👊👍
I had a hand me down 93 Foxbody back in high school, and I’m tempted to just get a 302 and put it on a run stand with dual super 40s, just to relive that 5.0 Fox feeling😢
The the calypso is what made me supercharge my fox lol. That things seems like a headache but fun when working
I have one SI Trim and 1 Precision Turbo. When will be see the 3 race side by side? My $$$'s on the turbo
What Distributor are you running in your cars that you prefer?
I can't find the answer to my question anywhere,but what's the difference in the side of the supercharger? I have a procharger and it's on the driver's side. Is it a difference in hp ? Or does either side matter?
I am still curious about the Kenne-Bell. Not in production anymore, but I always heard it was like having a big block with the instant torque. Also read that heat was a real issue, and I live in the south like you. Any thoughts on the screw type blowers?
Cool video, and I appreciate the real-world comparisons.
The kbs especially the old ones heat soak pretty badly. The modern blowers are wicked. The tvs blowers especially the ones vmp makes are the way to go unfortunately they don't make them for foxes but I bet you could make them work with an adaptor or something guys have ran 03 cobra and 07 up gt500 stock blowers on them and if you can do that you can run modern tvs blowers. A tvs blower on a torque heavy pushrod setup would be badass. It's killer on my torque heavy 5.4 4v setup (07 gt500)😊
Totally agree. The big reason I would see to go with a turbo over a supercharger is if you go full on smart electric boost controller to provide different levels of boost (and therefore power) according to how your car hooks.
Take it from Richard Holdener in his own words. Boost only elevates everything that was already there. What is there will be brought up in the power range exactly mirroring what the naturally aspirated engine would do. Which is why everything you do to make a n/a motor make power also makes power under boost.
you seem to know a lot about foxbody figured i might try here i got a 87 gt that at like between 2and 3k it falls on it's face and seems to be back firing through the intake also notice what looked to be oil residue in the intake when i looked at the throttle body flap any thoughts or suggestions i already changed tps and its to old for mass air and i already spayed the intake and throttle body to see if it was leaking
Hehe… it’s easy to prefer blowers when the three cars are only racing each other. Its different when a twin turbo R8 rolls up on you on the Highway, with no hesitation or lag.
R8 TT is not even in the same class of car😂I think he's talking about foxbodys
Just curious, what is fuel millage on the calypso? Now that has a carburator
It really depends on the build and preference. But one reason I really like a turbo is the potential and efficiency, the engine isn’t working to turn the compressor, meaning on the same pound of boost the supercharger will make less power.
Curious to see you possibly test the new kenne bell when it comes back out. I personally hate centrifugal blowers, as they’re the worst of both worlds. You’ve still got some lag, and you have the parasitic drain from the blower. Twin screws and roots are instant boost, and make better noises. Granted the lag with a centrifugal isn’t as bad as a turbo, but it’s still there…
New KB????
I'm a tvs guy all day so I agree with most of what you said however on sound the roots and twin screw sound better in boost but just idling and cruising the centris that make noise with straight cut gears and what have you that noise at idling and cruising is insane and takes the w in that category lol. The modern tvs blowers are wicked in particular the vmp versions of them. It's incredible the kind of power they make from 2.3 and 2.65 liter blowers.
@@jplperformance9073 yeah, i saw it right after i bought a used turbo kit for my car. think it said its gonna start shipping end of april or beginning of may. presale price was 4450 or something like that.
@@tonyevans7767 yeah it's the same thing they used to have. I can't do non intercooled
What size tires on the retro fox?I love them 2 tone GTs
Good info! Thanks for sharing this
Do you have a video of you shop build?
Well said! I think one of the biggest and important topics you covered was ease of installation in regards to the S trim vs. turbo, but there's also alot of factors that play into that as well like your power goals and skillsets. If you want to step up to the big boy T-trim than it's going to be more involved no matter what. Great video!
I say turbo
I think so too.
Good Video!!
I would only add that changing/checking the spark plugs on a turbo fox is a pain in the anus.
Not really at all for my car, but I guess it depends on the heads and or engine bay 🤷♂
What gear are you using in the turbo car? Thanks. Great perspective.
3:31's are the last thing that I have seen. th-cam.com/video/-o5iah6obcU/w-d-xo.html
Ive always been a fan of the whine
Amazing video explained perfectly.
The supercharged car should run a bigger head unit and spun slower. For the street run a tighter LSA cam . That picks up the bottom end while allowing the bigger supercharger a cooler air charge. Turning losses don’t matter in the street with 1200 -1400 sc head units.
Always favored prochargers/superchargers belt driven no lag…
Im so glad i hunkered down and built my big block turbo dart. Best of all those points.
I have built and owned every powered adder atleast twice now on multiple set ups threwout the past 27 yrs I still float to supercharged
Oh another thing, I prefer turbo lag for a control of power. The instant torque feel gets old really fast and nothing makes me hate driving my car more than losing traction. I’m NA stock, and I burn rubber like it’s no bodies business and it is beyond frustrating.
Turbo all the way baby! You dont have anything when you sling a belt or low boost when you have belt slip.
I’m really glad you didn’t give up on the Calypso, I love the turbo 347/stick shift combo, especially now that it has a carb!
At the 3:23 mark I was impressed to see a working speedometer. ;) great stuff Brew2l!
seriously it needs an anti-lag system it acts just like a supercharger
have you ever thought of adding anti-lag to your turbo mustang
Enjoy life guys, that says it all
Turbo works better with automatic?
Carbon fox setup is the one for me.
Gt500 instant torque not that great?
Any tips on the On 3 turbo kit install? Started mine yesterday and it seems my cross over pipe interferes with my sway bar. Did you have that issue?
I think everyone has had that issue. I replaced mine with the smaller diameter 4 cylinder sway bar. Better than not having one at all is the way that I look at it.
Mine does..I just loosened the sway bar, connected the pipe, dropped the car on its wheels, and then reconnected the sway bar..no issues so far but it’s also not a daily driver so I can’t speak on it long term
I didn’t have any issues with the sway bar with my install 🤷🏻♂️
@@aaronliddell4280 yea I think because I have the car on jack stands with no pressure on the suspension the sway bar is swinging forward, it pushes the driver side cross over forward. I can still get bolts in to connect them but the flex coupler is really at its limit.
Under normal driving conditions I don’t think my sway bar would ever move that much unless I had really soft springs in back and launched on a prepped surface.
@@zarmelad3475 yea it definitely comes forward when it’s not under load. Maybe wait till you have the car weight on the tires before trying to install the sway bar and it’d be a lot easier
I love the retro fox set up.
Loved the content
awesome video