Yesterday I used my brand new Super Vitrified 400 from BBB on a Shibata Kotetsu Gyuto in R2 (SG2). It wasn't extremely dull but had a few rolls and several relatively small chips - biggest maybe 1mm. Took maybe 15 strokes to remove chips and rolls and raise a burr, and another 12 or so on the other side. Deburred on the stone, then stropped w/ 1micron, 0.5, and 0.1 Gunny Juice. Stopped there and put that laser back in the kitchen, ready to go to work. This stone is outstanding! Thanks, Shawn.
I had a spyderco pm2 in k390 , repaired some microchips in blade . Stropped on kangaroo with diamond . Buddy at the Veteran Affairs hospital whete I worked ran knife over his arm without touching skin , treetopped hair on his arm , a first for me . I've learned that sometimes I jump my progression too soon and have to start over from scratch. Having a coarse stone in the line up is essential. It was exactly what I needed . This black haired 60 year old Indian is stoked .
I only have very cheap stones and knives, so what you’ve shown me about this stone is truly exceptional! Or I guess you could say SUPER... I think my experience with those poor quality materials helps me appreciate stuff like this more and I’m glad you’re around to yell at us about it because I’d be none the wiser.
Found your technique to be a fine example of how to control the steel on the stone. Thanks for taking time to show us it. Will you please send me the exact details for this stone and any others you’d recommend as complimentary stones. If you can send the actual links for purchasing them I will be very appreciative. Thanks again for the presentation.
Truly enjoyed the video, even though I winced a bit as you were killing the knife’s edge on the belt sander. Lol I know I’m late to this vid, but might you share what sharpening stone and grit you are using? I saw the company name on the stone’s base, and with some searches, it seems like the Gokumyo , possibly a 15K? Just basing off of coloration that seems to match an ad. Thanks again in advance. Lee
Was just gonna ask how they did with low end soft steels, and if the 400 grit was fast enough for reprofiling! That tip looks like my shitty dexter russell after it got pushed off my counter onto a ceramic floor.
Have you, or has anyone, done a comparison between these stones and the Venev stones? I realize they are different and would assume that the super vitrified stones cut faster at each grit level. But that might not matter to those doing low-volume freehand sharpening if it is the only difference. What about feel? Dish rate? The Venev stones (I have some) need a refresh with a AO or SiC nagura to help expose the diamond abrasive. How about the vitrified diamond stones?
The Venev is much, much slower, loads and glazes and needs lots of dressing to function and will still be slow. The SUPER Vitrified Diamond Waterstone behaves like what you see in the video.
@@FearNoSteel Well, I'm interested in the vitrified diamond stones but not so much for their speed in repairing Henckels :). I'll contact you with more questions via your web site. Thanks.
I think a better comparison would be between the super vitrified from triple B and the regular vitrified from practical sharpening as far as I know there the only two on the market in the vitrified diamond category
And a tip repair! Awesome stuff man! that's some really nice cutting and anti load and dish. Definately a great stone, fast cut low maintenance and 0 soak time. Any plans on doing 1 inch stones for people who sharpen stone in hand?
Will those stones eventually dish out? And if so how would you go about flattening it? Or is it just important using the whole surface of the stone as much as possible to prevent any eventual dishing?
They will eventually dish out (no whetstone is truly immune to dishing) but it takes a long time and can be corrected with some course loose grit on a large flat surface industrial diamonds on copper or aluminum would probably be ideal, but I would assume that aluminum oxide on concrete would eventually wear through the whetstones binder as well.
any thoughts on a aet of diamond stones from Bob Kramer? Id love to know. I have been using water stones of different grits to a black Arkansas Stone. I only ask because I respect your opinions
Bob Kramer doesn't make diamond stones, there is a "Shapton Glass" ceramic water stone line that Zwilling JA Heckles sells as a Bob Kramer sharpening kit. The work just fine, but won't hold a candle to the firepower on display with the Super Vitrified Bonded Diamond Waterstones.
@@FearNoSteel Thank you so much for your reply. I have a very interesting sharpening stone that I got from my father it's about 4" by 3" and it feels like it's made of plastic or the softest clay ever and produces the most amazing polished edge.
I have not been able to find them on Etsy or on eBay or anywhere else and it is the softest thing ever it is dark Brown on 1 side andd finer on the other. I think it is some kind of clay. I would send it to you just you could check it out. It is an heirloom but You are awesome. My email is the same +@gmail
Just how durable are these stones? Are they able to stay flat like a spyderco ceramic? or is the amount of dishing just very minor? Very impressive regardless! I'll probably pick up a 1000 grit next time they're in stock :)
@@FearNoSteel it's my next upgrade once a couple knives head out. Literally done that exact same sharpening/tip repair and it just eats through my low grit stones and so dang muddy. The super looks like such a dream. Have you thought about a "combo stone" or not much savings over 2 separate base stones?
I love your videos. They are so informative. I want to ask you a question, can I sharpen my k390 bushcraft knife with naniwa 600grit profesional stone. The knife is 64HRC. I'm curious because I don't want to buy extremely expensive diamond stones :) keep up the good videos man.
It can but it might not be as efficient and might not cut the carbides properly, if you want to try diamond i would recommend the venev phoenix series there pretty inexpensive for what you get. Tom hosang outdoors on youtube recently just put up a video on his benchmade 940 in s90v and showed that ceramic edge didn't last as long as a diamond cut edge atleast on that particular steel. Hope that helps
I thought I'd throw another idea out there for you : 3M PSA backed diamond lapping films. It's the most inexpensive way to get into quality diamond abrasives that I know of if you're only dabbling in them and also want a wide variety of grit ranges. If you're sharpening an awful lot, a stone will be cheaper in the long run however. But a few dozens sharpenings? Shoot, give these a try for only around $12 a pop! They come in 8" x 3" individual sheets which have a sticky adhesive backing so you can stick it onto a variety of mediums to make your own diamond stones. Milled aluminum, granite surface plates, rectangular piece of glass, etc. Google Taytools online and you'll find them. They also have a "scary sharp" kit with 3 pieces of glass and a whole set of PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) backed abrasive sheets in a variety of grits. Not what I'd recommend for steels like Maxamet as it's aluminum oxide abrasives in that kit, but plenty good for non super steels. You can always use the glass in that kit with the diamond films though! The main major downside to these sheets is that if you dig into them with your tip or edge, you can slice into them and damage them. But if you're careful or use trailing only strokes, this can be mitigated. If you're like me, it's fun to try different stuff and find what you like especially if it's not too expensive an investment. Lastly, I'll second the above poster's suggestion of checking out the Venev resin bonded diamond stones on gritomatic for a quality diamond product that won't break the bank. You can get them for a reasonable price, especially if you like to hold the stone in your hand when you sharpen and thus use smaller 6" stones. I got the complete 6" x 1" set (6 different grits across 3 double sided stones) for $110 last year. You can get single stones with 2 different grits for as cheap as $30. They're a great stone! Makes even 65Rc K390 easy to sharpen! BBB has some videos on them if you go back a few years.
What grit are you starting out at? And are you forming a burr? And what stones/ system are you using? Its like any other steel just takes a little longer but also depends on the abrasives if using diamond or cbn its really no longer to sharpen than any other steel. I would recommend not going below 300 grit for maxamet.
@@FearNoSteel reason I ask is that if margins were slow and they flew off the shelves, why not maybe raise prices? Just curious, I was hoping to try one out
@@FearNoSteel I am still gaining a comfortable level of experience with freehand sharpening but there is no doubt that this material is something special. The tactile feedback is there. High HRC super steels actually have noticeable steel removable within the first pass. I haven't gouged the stone which (as a novice) I notice happens with less refined stones. Load-up is cleared off with a simple brush of the hand and some water. A bit more subjective but the presentation, look, weight and size give me the feeling of a valuable object. The stone begs to be used. We expect a certain level of glassiness with high grit stones but the 400 feels sinfully smooth while still hogging steel. It is somewhat rapturous.
I run Naniwa Chosera stones on standard carbon steels and on premium super steels I was using DMT diamond stones until they failed so I went to Naniwa Diamond stones. Yes they are expensive but I'm also a professional. That being said I would never buy this stone this guy is using when the price is $450 per stone. Someone is pushing for early retirement when I see a price tag like that
You don't know, what you don't know. I would argue with you but you've already made up your mind and I don't even care. The people that purchased this Stone enjoyed it it doesn't even make me money I did it because of the love for sharpening and the performance you are completely ignorant to the cost of things and you don't know as much as you think you do. Choose your words carefully because I ain't paid enough to deal with riffraff and my patience has worn thin over the years.
@FearNoSteel since the super vitrified stones probably won't come back, is there a close second that you would recommend. I got the shaman 15v a couple of days ago and got a screaming sharp edge on DMT dia-sharps, but i see what people mean by no feedback on those plates the harder the steel the more noticeable. Is there something better for this awesome steel? Also your heat treat is killer. You can tell it's hard as hell but seems like it will still take some abuse.
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On a serious note: having fixed many damaged tips, doing that without getting any dishing is insane....
Yesterday I used my brand new Super Vitrified 400 from BBB on a Shibata Kotetsu Gyuto in R2 (SG2). It wasn't extremely dull but had a few rolls and several relatively small chips - biggest maybe 1mm. Took maybe 15 strokes to remove chips and rolls and raise a burr, and another 12 or so on the other side. Deburred on the stone, then stropped w/ 1micron, 0.5, and 0.1 Gunny Juice. Stopped there and put that laser back in the kitchen, ready to go to work. This stone is outstanding! Thanks, Shawn.
Thanks Terry, EXCELLENT review.
I had a spyderco pm2 in k390 , repaired some microchips in blade . Stropped on kangaroo with diamond . Buddy at the Veteran Affairs hospital whete I worked ran knife over his arm without touching skin , treetopped hair on his arm , a first for me . I've learned that sometimes I jump my progression too soon and have to start over from scratch. Having a coarse stone in the line up is essential. It was exactly what I needed . This black haired 60 year old Indian is stoked .
These stones are simply to die for, the finest stones on the market. Coming from a professional sharpener they just don't get any better
Bravo for going through the extreme steps to make sure no can question the power of that stone!
I only have very cheap stones and knives, so what you’ve shown me about this stone is truly exceptional!
Or I guess you could say SUPER...
I think my experience with those poor quality materials helps me appreciate stuff like this more and I’m glad you’re around to yell at us about it because I’d be none the wiser.
Love the ending! Cry at the price of these stones :( Now I fell like sharpening, lol.
Haha JASON! Yea the price is WILD but all the cheaper features to get the price down didn't perform as epic, so fuck it, give people the best.
@@FearNoSteel where can I look to get these ?
@@FearNoSteel I'm curious what were the shortcomings of the cheaper options
Found your technique to be a fine example of how to control the steel on the stone. Thanks for taking time to show us it. Will you please send me the exact details for this stone and any others you’d recommend as complimentary stones. If you can send the actual links for purchasing them I will be very appreciative. Thanks again for the presentation.
Would love to see this in lower grit and edge pro format as i put stone to blade
Truly enjoyed the video, even though I winced a bit as you were killing the knife’s edge on the belt sander. Lol I know I’m late to this vid, but might you share what sharpening stone and grit you are using? I saw the company name on the stone’s base, and with some searches, it seems like the Gokumyo , possibly a 15K? Just basing off of coloration that seems to match an ad. Thanks again in advance. Lee
Serious stone, no doubt. But I have to ask : when it dishes (because it will, at some point), how can you make it flat again ?
You lap it with an abrasive that is harder than the bonding material but the abrasives in this will abrade your lapping material.
@@ared18t Yeah, so SiC on glass I guess ? I'd like to see it done, I'd imagine it's quite a tedious process.
Was just gonna ask how they did with low end soft steels, and if the 400 grit was fast enough for reprofiling! That tip looks like my shitty dexter russell after it got pushed off my counter onto a ceramic floor.
I love it sharing asmr and breathing asmr 🤣. Great vid I just wish I could afford these cause I'd get one in a heart beat
your technique is top shelf
are you ever going to have these in small sizes for fixed angle systems. These stones are amazing but my coordination isn't :)
Not to speak for him but I believe he has said no time soon but you never know what the future holds! So take that with grain of salt
Have you, or has anyone, done a comparison between these stones and the Venev stones? I realize they are different and would assume that the super vitrified stones cut faster at each grit level. But that might not matter to those doing low-volume freehand sharpening if it is the only difference. What about feel? Dish rate? The Venev stones (I have some) need a refresh with a AO or SiC nagura to help expose the diamond abrasive. How about the vitrified diamond stones?
The Venev is much, much slower, loads and glazes and needs lots of dressing to function and will still be slow. The SUPER Vitrified Diamond Waterstone behaves like what you see in the video.
@@FearNoSteel Well, I'm interested in the vitrified diamond stones but not so much for their speed in repairing Henckels :). I'll contact you with more questions via your web site. Thanks.
I think a better comparison would be between the super vitrified from triple B and the regular vitrified from practical sharpening as far as I know there the only two on the market in the vitrified diamond category
Hi, what brand/model js that stone? Thanks
Listening to this in the background. I swear I can HEAR it getting sharper.
Any more of these being made soon?
We wants one! When will they be back!?!
And a tip repair! Awesome stuff man! that's some really nice cutting and anti load and dish. Definately a great stone, fast cut low maintenance and 0 soak time. Any plans on doing 1 inch stones for people who sharpen stone in hand?
Nah, just interested in benchstones
Thanks again man really well done.
@@justinnemeth8931 Thanks Justin
But how do you flatten it when it eventually does dish? Awesome stone and skills bro.
Will those stones eventually dish out? And if so how would you go about flattening it? Or is it just important using the whole surface of the stone as much as possible to prevent any eventual dishing?
They will eventually dish out (no whetstone is truly immune to dishing) but it takes a long time and can be corrected with some course loose grit on a large flat surface industrial diamonds on copper or aluminum would probably be ideal, but I would assume that aluminum oxide on concrete would eventually wear through the whetstones binder as well.
Is Maxamet your fav? What would you choose, Maxamet, K390 or Rex45?
Where do you purchase some of these stones
If they do dish at some point, how do you re-flatten them and bevel the edges? Outstanding vid though brother thanks for sharing!
SiC and Glass
This question may be a crime in itself but.... Do you think they will make smaller ones for the guided systems?
Right now just freehand stones
Where do you recommend buying them from? Do they ever get loaded up or do they just wipe clean after every use
www.triplebhandmade.com/shop/x7wolsv44umrzpztvpk8ykt0cojrru-efb6r
I'm sure a person can figure out how to load it but it's pretty damn resistant to loading.
@@FearNoSteel thanks! I just looked them up and your site popped up first in a Google search. Appreciate it
I'm gonna get a couple of those stones if I can find a buyer for my wicked edge gen 3 soon
any thoughts on a aet of diamond stones from Bob Kramer? Id love to know. I have been using water stones of different grits to a black Arkansas Stone. I only ask because I respect your opinions
Bob Kramer doesn't make diamond stones, there is a "Shapton Glass" ceramic water stone line that Zwilling JA Heckles sells as a Bob Kramer sharpening kit. The work just fine, but won't hold a candle to the firepower on display with the Super Vitrified Bonded Diamond Waterstones.
@@FearNoSteel Thank you so much for your reply. I have a very interesting sharpening stone that I got from my father it's about 4" by 3" and it feels like it's made of plastic or the softest clay ever and produces the most amazing polished edge.
I have not been able to find them on Etsy or on eBay or anywhere else and it is the softest thing ever it is dark Brown on 1 side andd finer on the other. I think it is some kind of clay. I would send it to you just you could check it out. It is an heirloom but You are awesome. My email is the same +@gmail
or reply and Ill hook you up with more :)
Just how durable are these stones? Are they able to stay flat like a spyderco ceramic? or is the amount of dishing just very minor? Very impressive regardless! I'll probably pick up a 1000 grit next time they're in stock :)
They dishes out very slowly since it a resin bounded due to them not being a soild piece and they come with a dressing stone
Will there be a higher grit ? Like 8-10k ? Love my 400 grit . It is the real deal !
That's would be rad
Just like the knives my wife's friends send home for me to sharpen 🤣 jumping on the vitrified diamond train soon!
SUPER is splash and go baby
@@FearNoSteel it's my next upgrade once a couple knives head out. Literally done that exact same sharpening/tip repair and it just eats through my low grit stones and so dang muddy. The super looks like such a dream. Have you thought about a "combo stone" or not much savings over 2 separate base stones?
@@the_sharp_carpenter if only it worked like that to save cost
I love your videos. They are so informative. I want to ask you a question, can I sharpen my k390 bushcraft knife with naniwa 600grit profesional stone. The knife is 64HRC. I'm curious because I don't want to buy extremely expensive diamond stones :) keep up the good videos man.
It can but it might not be as efficient and might not cut the carbides properly, if you want to try diamond i would recommend the venev phoenix series there pretty inexpensive for what you get. Tom hosang outdoors on youtube recently just put up a video on his benchmade 940 in s90v and showed that ceramic edge didn't last as long as a diamond cut edge atleast on that particular steel. Hope that helps
@@kevinfitz3721 Thanks for the useful info brotha 😀😀
I thought I'd throw another idea out there for you : 3M PSA backed diamond lapping films.
It's the most inexpensive way to get into quality diamond abrasives that I know of if you're only dabbling in them and also want a wide variety of grit ranges. If you're sharpening an awful lot, a stone will be cheaper in the long run however. But a few dozens sharpenings? Shoot, give these a try for only around $12 a pop!
They come in 8" x 3" individual sheets which have a sticky adhesive backing so you can stick it onto a variety of mediums to make your own diamond stones. Milled aluminum, granite surface plates, rectangular piece of glass, etc.
Google Taytools online and you'll find them.
They also have a "scary sharp" kit with 3 pieces of glass and a whole set of PSA (pressure sensitive adhesive) backed abrasive sheets in a variety of grits. Not what I'd recommend for steels like Maxamet as it's aluminum oxide abrasives in that kit, but plenty good for non super steels. You can always use the glass in that kit with the diamond films though!
The main major downside to these sheets is that if you dig into them with your tip or edge, you can slice into them and damage them. But if you're careful or use trailing only strokes, this can be mitigated.
If you're like me, it's fun to try different stuff and find what you like especially if it's not too expensive an investment.
Lastly, I'll second the above poster's suggestion of checking out the Venev resin bonded diamond stones on gritomatic for a quality diamond product that won't break the bank.
You can get them for a reasonable price, especially if you like to hold the stone in your hand when you sharpen and thus use smaller 6" stones.
I got the complete 6" x 1" set (6 different grits across 3 double sided stones) for $110 last year. You can get single stones with 2 different grits for as cheap as $30. They're a great stone! Makes even 65Rc K390 easy to sharpen! BBB has some videos on them if you go back a few years.
Wow what grit was that stone? And are these on the market?
www.triplebhandmade.com/shop/x7wolsv44umrzpztvpk8ykt0cojrru-efb6r
How do i send you my knife to sharpen? I have a pm2 maxamet i just cant get to take a wicked edge.
What grit are you starting out at? And are you forming a burr? And what stones/ system are you using? Its like any other steel just takes a little longer but also depends on the abrasives if using diamond or cbn its really no longer to sharpen than any other steel. I would recommend not going below 300 grit for maxamet.
Who sells these?
Nice work, thanks for the video 😎👍
Are they ever making these again? They seem to be on permanent out of stock
Not very profitable
@@FearNoSteel no sales or low margins? Either way that’s a shame. JKI’s version (800 grit) has been perma OOS as well
Same problem
If it was no sales they would be in stock eh?
@@FearNoSteel reason I ask is that if margins were slow and they flew off the shelves, why not maybe raise prices? Just curious, I was hoping to try one out
Every time you dull a blade or crush the point I die a little inside. But then you bring it back to life. You’re like the Jesus of knife sharpening.
Lmao
wow. where do i get one of these stones?
www.triplebhandmade.com/shop/x7wolsv44umrzpztvpk8ykt0cojrru-efb6r
@@FearNoSteel ty
by the way,how much does it cost??
an arm and a leg
0:30 just keep pushing haha
Unreal 😦
Fast Cutter 😅 and i sharpen my Ass of an Malanika CPM V4 with Naniwa Chosera 400. I had to remove the Microbevel.
Holy fuck the start of this video hurt my soul, nice vid though.
The proof is in the sharpness. Pretty ironclad to me.
KILLER, what you think about the overall?
@@FearNoSteel I am still gaining a comfortable level of experience with freehand sharpening but there is no doubt that this material is something special. The tactile feedback is there. High HRC super steels actually have noticeable steel removable within the first pass. I haven't gouged the stone which (as a novice) I notice happens with less refined stones. Load-up is cleared off with a simple brush of the hand and some water.
A bit more subjective but the presentation, look, weight and size give me the feeling of a valuable object. The stone begs to be used. We expect a certain level of glassiness with high grit stones but the 400 feels sinfully smooth while still hogging steel. It is somewhat rapturous.
@@G_Thor That was probably the best description i've ever read lol
0:19 I also like a toothy edge
Fantástico, saludos
Want to trade a kidney for some stones? Only way i ever can afford em. The performance of them just looks insane
Kidney stones would have a whole new meaning
@@sic5168 haha anyone passed a kidney stone and tried to sharpen with it? 😅🤣
Crazy shit right there 😳
Holy sht
Take that surgical stainless 😁😁🖖.
Screams at knife*. "go to your home!"
@@FearNoSteel the neighbors knife never knows where "home" is. Retired to the can life now.
You beat that knifes ass, then resesatated it. Just when it thought you cared, you threw it away like garbage.
I run Naniwa Chosera stones on standard carbon steels and on premium super steels I was using DMT diamond stones until they failed so I went to Naniwa Diamond stones. Yes they are expensive but I'm also a professional. That being said I would never buy this stone this guy is using when the price is $450 per stone. Someone is pushing for early retirement when I see a price tag like that
You don't know, what you don't know. I would argue with you but you've already made up your mind and I don't even care. The people that purchased this Stone enjoyed it it doesn't even make me money I did it because of the love for sharpening and the performance you are completely ignorant to the cost of things and you don't know as much as you think you do. Choose your words carefully because I ain't paid enough to deal with riffraff and my patience has worn thin over the years.
@@FearNoSteel riffraff 😁
@FearNoSteel since the super vitrified stones probably won't come back, is there a close second that you would recommend. I got the shaman 15v a couple of days ago and got a screaming sharp edge on DMT dia-sharps, but i see what people mean by no feedback on those plates the harder the steel the more noticeable. Is there something better for this awesome steel? Also your heat treat is killer. You can tell it's hard as hell but seems like it will still take some abuse.