As a country boy who grew up with depression era parents, I appreciate your ability to make what you need. Like my Dad always said, "If we can't buy it, we'll just have to make it." Great videos!
@bigmoustacheal3295 I'm two generations removed from depression era (calendar wise), but am 1st gen mentality. Grew up poor, thinking we were poor, or poor an not know it??!! We sure try neither to be wasteful nor frivolous. Thanks for joining-in; nice to know you!!
Your channel has quickly became my favorite chainsaw channel. I really appreciate the education and all of your trial and error stuff. Im rarely home to mess with my hobby of chainsaw but you have me wanting to try new stuff every time I watch your channel. Thanksan for sure
@matthewknight5641 Thanks for the kind words; they're what keep me motivated to take the extra time to share my experiments/results!!! Sure glad to have you here!!!
I don't know about everyone else but I think your videos are detailed and for the man that can't afford high dollar tools and hope you keep it up for us ocb that likes fast saws that don't cost an arm and leg!! Good job!!
@ClydeDavis-qw8lo I appreciate you taking the time to tell me that. On one hand, I've always lived this way and enjoy sharing the videos of how I do things.... I'm not going to do it the high-dollar way. On the other hand, there are plenty of people showing dang fine results with good (better) tooling and store-bought gadgets. I ain't gonna change who I am just to appeal to their audience. What I'm trying to say is: I'm glad you found me; you're evidently my kind of people!! Thanks for taking time to join-in down here with the riffraff; believe it or not, it is very much appreciated!!
@HawtSawz86 Thanks for taking the time to give me a kind word or two; it means a lot to us smaller channels; it's what drives us to keep sharing our work!! Thanks for being here and thank again for joining-in!
@FarmlessFarmer-xs1he That's something that never quite gets out from under your fingernails, does it??!! I still pick up little pieces of round stock and throw them in my stash, 'cause "you never know" what I may use it for... I'm a bit of a hoarder; just came home with 2 short pieces of bronze round stock the other day; they were about 4" x 1-1/2"... have no idea what I will do with them, but got dang near giggly when I seen them laying on the ground... paid the owner and left with my mind all worked up about the possibilities. ...a little exaggeration, maybe!! But I did come up with the scrap pieces while buying some other metal and it kinda did make my day. Will check emails!! Be safe; thanks for being here Farmless!!
I bought a 5” independent 4 jaw off Amazon and got my adapter off Little Machine Shop. Awesome upgrade on the Grizzly 7x14. I make my split mandrels from barn nails or 16 penny. Take a small cutting disc and slice em. Then when you lose it or bend it you don’t get too upset lol 😆
@Houseworksaws Why am I not surprised that you, also, found a cheaper/better way to make a split mandrel??!! I love the upgrade to my lil ol lathe also; I actually found a decent way to cut the squish with a 3 jaw before I ever got the 4-jaw; that video is upcoming. No comparison to a 4 jaw, but it IS a workaround.
To get the most out of boring a carb offset boring is the safest for the carb and your wallet. Offset it so you’re not cutting into the pump side or L side of the carb. Depending on what model carb if you don’t offset you’ll get into the impulse or low side passages. Now if you find any tunability issues you can play with how deep you set the nozzle at. It may not need to be seated in as deep as it was stock since now that it’s bored you’ve changed where the fastest air is. I should do a video on it because there’s so much I wanna type but I suck at it lol 😆 anyways nice job as always and great content
@Houseworksaws Ye;s Sir!! Right on all counts; as you know, there's only so much one can put in a video before eyes glaze over and click off; some would watch, but many have the attention span of a gnat; I try to fit somewhere in the middle. I've also been playing around with changing valve nozzles (a little); it's in the next video; I have some of my own ideas on THAT as well. Thanks for being here and joining-in; as you know, it's what keeps us little guys going!!
Can't wait to see how it runs. Craming more air and fuel into it seems like a great idea to me! I like the fixture and seeing how you make tooling to modify saw parts. Appreciate the videos.
@TheJohnDeereGuy I couldn't cram it all into one video and also give all of the makeshift doodads their time. I think the rest of the carb mod and dyno run is in the next video. Thanks for being here and offering some kind words!!
@TheJohnDeereGuy Right!!?? I sure let this channel get in the way of my hunting last year!! Hopefully I'm a little more efficient this year. Some people are "ate up" with deer hunting, others are turkey... for me it's night time predators. I can't wait!!!
Little things make big differences. Chainsaw carbs are tiny compared to other high performance 2-stroke engines. All the porting/machining in the world ain’t worth diddly squat IF you can’t get the AIR thru the engine. I have a similar set/up Mark but sometimes you can just drill it to the next size providing you have a very sharp drill. I’ve found that a metal polish like mother’s works well - mirrored finish never hurts on the Venturi and the rest of the bore. It’ll would be interesting to see a before/after on the Dyno - I reckon the results will be surprising.
@fabzacres-blackcat (spoiler alert) In the next video to be released, I actually did two different sizes of venturis and did dyno tests on each. The results are not as drastic as some of the other (and possibly easier) stuff a person can do to gain power without even opening a saw, but there were gains. On a side note (another spoiler alert), I think I figured out how to make the aftermarket carbs chooch properly. If a person doesn't have a lathe, I think drilling is a fine way to go... or even a careful hand with a rotary tool?? If a person has a small lathe, this seemed easiest/fastest to me. Set-up was pretty quick and cutting was even quicker.
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I’m wouldn’t say boring your carb .025 over will turn it into a bullet by no means - IF you machine an intake / velocity stack and use a foam filter in conjunction WITH a bored carb you should pick up a nice 3-7% gain quite easily ! The k/n filter with outwears is the weapon of choice here 😂
@fabzacres-blackcat I don't remember the percentages on the carb mod (been a bit since I recorded), but there were *some*. NoCanDo on the velocity stack and KN Filter for THIS saw. And remember.... still need a choke; it's in the air filter (so far... that's another spoiler alert for later, too 😉 )
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 oh yeah it’s that funky design with the choke built in to the filter. If it were me I’d get rid of it and make a velo stack with a clamp on filter … just fill a glass medicine eyedrop bottle with Motomix and drizzle a few drops in - fire right up. I do this on older saws that have been sitting instead of pulling the cord 15000 times. Should burp right over , if not 2nd times the charm 😎
@@fabzacres-blackcat If it would need more power and/or if I were going to keep/use it myself, that might be the way to go; converse to that, it's going to my dad for a "small saw" so he don't have to fire up the 361 if he don't need to or if his shoulders hurt too bad to yank the cord on the 361. (another spoiler alert); it's actually going to get detuned a little (already has been) because it has a little more power than it needs for him. I had fun with this one, but it was still meant to be a moderate work saw with longevity. I can't give a saw to dad that is going to need a "procedure" to get it started. Rest assured, I'm dang sure going to do a velocity stack on SOMETHING (I have a saw in mind). I may try a few tricks to see just how much I can improve the saw without opening it up... just outside/bolt-on stuff.
@Kevin.L_ It's probably off of one of those new strato saws or something?? Those mandrels are the bee's knees!! I've made them out of various round stock, but they won't take the punishment of too much pressure or snagging in a corner; once they are not perfectly straight, they are not fit to use; these drill bit stems seem to work well.
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I picked up a cheap hanging HF grinder a while back. Sure is easier to use my old Makita die grinder. Foot control is like cheating!
@Kevin.L_ You ain't kidding!! A little tip that works well for me... I mounted mine on a 1x6 with a 2x4 at the front (so it has a slope like a boot jack); it keeps the pedal from moving around and puts my foot at a better angle. Hope that helps.
@Homes4homies Thanks for the kind words! I have never used JB weld in a saw, but I'm not opposed to trying it if I had the need. I've been told that the JB weld "quick set" is the best/strongest/stickiest or whatever... it's best for the application. Thanks for joining-in!!
Is the throttle butterfly not part of that diameter? Making a new butterfly probably isn't that hard to do if you are enlarging the area in which it fits. Having the 2 bolts slightly loose on your new tool and slipping a centre up into the venturi would potentially give you a reasonably close starting point.
@Alan_Hans__ No sir, the butterfly is not part of the venturi; it's probably another (guessing as I don't remember exactly) 0.100" larger than the venturi. Those butterflies can be a real bugger; they are not round (as one might think); they are the precise shape to block a round hole while sitting askew in the hole; plus, there's a notch in the circumference that aligns with the jets under the welch plug and notches to align it on the shaft. Just a little bend or misalignment of the butterfly is very noticeable and causes problems. Having the bolts loose while poking it with the live center on the tail stock is probably a quicker way to set it up!! I've seen them drilled with hand tools, so total accuracy is not required; the carb is bigger on each end of the center venturi; as long as the cutter stays out of each end, that would be good enough. Good tip!!
C'mon turning up a 1mm'ish thick brass butterfly couldn't be that hard. Just bolt it to a mandrel cut at the requisite 10 degrees or whatever it is. Certainly wouldn't be as hard as working with the imperial measuring system ;)
@Alan_Hans__ What are these "mm" of which you speak?? I tried ordering some brass stock from Amazon "the thickness of a piece of Wrigley's Juicy Fruit and as big around as a small knot in a pine board" and I didn't get any results. I *JUST* got done searching for "MM"s and didn't find any brass there either. Just choices between Plain, Peanut, Peanut Butter etc..?? Oh never mind, I found the problem; I had my search engine set on "'Murcan" 😉😉😂😂😁😁
@alltherpm I agree; the prices of carbs makes it hard to even want to rebuild one, let alone modify one. In this ol' saw, I've got 5 carbs for it (2 new ones still in the box); the problem is, there's no choke in the carb itself; it's in the air cleaner. The carb body is shorter than a "regular" carb and one would STILL have to use the air filter that has the choke flap in it; I couldn't find a bigger carb that would work with the air filter and plastic. In this case, modding a carb was the only option I had. Thanks for joining-in!!
@alltherpm Short answer: Absolutely! It can be challenging. Here is a playlist I have made of the mini lathe so far; it's all chainsaw oriented; one of the videos is short and is about making a tool for the lathe to make cutting bases SOOOO much easier. studio.th-cam.com/users/playlistPLVg9XPulHE0WZhQbgsSOZX5CTJFXzcYWG/videos There are two (three) more videos coming soon (by the end of the month, I think. One is cutting the squish band; one is cutting the base, and one is (next) making a tool to finish this carb mod. Three of the videos are NOT in the play list yet as they haven't been "published" yet.
Anybody willing to go to the efforts you do. Deserves a thumbs up and a comment. Being a farmer gets you bonus points too lol!
@toddzilla6491 😂😁😉 Thanks!!!
As a country boy who grew up with depression era parents, I appreciate your ability to make what you need. Like my Dad always said, "If we can't buy it, we'll just have to make it." Great videos!
@bigmoustacheal3295 I'm two generations removed from depression era (calendar wise), but am 1st gen mentality. Grew up poor, thinking we were poor, or poor an not know it??!! We sure try neither to be wasteful nor frivolous. Thanks for joining-in; nice to know you!!
Your channel has quickly became my favorite chainsaw channel. I really appreciate the education and all of your trial and error stuff. Im rarely home to mess with my hobby of chainsaw but you have me wanting to try new stuff every time I watch your channel. Thanksan for sure
@matthewknight5641 Thanks for the kind words; they're what keep me motivated to take the extra time to share my experiments/results!!! Sure glad to have you here!!!
I don't know about everyone else but I think your videos are detailed and for the man that can't afford high dollar tools and hope you keep it up for us ocb that likes fast saws that don't cost an arm and leg!! Good job!!
@ClydeDavis-qw8lo I appreciate you taking the time to tell me that. On one hand, I've always lived this way and enjoy sharing the videos of how I do things.... I'm not going to do it the high-dollar way. On the other hand, there are plenty of people showing dang fine results with good (better) tooling and store-bought gadgets. I ain't gonna change who I am just to appeal to their audience. What I'm trying to say is: I'm glad you found me; you're evidently my kind of people!! Thanks for taking time to join-in down here with the riffraff; believe it or not, it is very much appreciated!!
Another great video 👍
@toddzilla6491 Thanks for the kind words; they're all that keep a small channel motivated!!
Loving your videos, you are right, you are certainly doing things, valuable things that other channels are not. 🍻
@HawtSawz86 Thanks for taking the time to give me a kind word or two; it means a lot to us smaller channels; it's what drives us to keep sharing our work!! Thanks for being here and thank again for joining-in!
Enjoyed this thoroughly. You got me thinking like a machinist again.
Email headed your way
@FarmlessFarmer-xs1he That's something that never quite gets out from under your fingernails, does it??!! I still pick up little pieces of round stock and throw them in my stash, 'cause "you never know" what I may use it for... I'm a bit of a hoarder; just came home with 2 short pieces of bronze round stock the other day; they were about 4" x 1-1/2"... have no idea what I will do with them, but got dang near giggly when I seen them laying on the ground... paid the owner and left with my mind all worked up about the possibilities.
...a little exaggeration, maybe!! But I did come up with the scrap pieces while buying some other metal and it kinda did make my day. Will check emails!! Be safe; thanks for being here Farmless!!
I bought a 5” independent 4 jaw off Amazon and got my adapter off Little Machine Shop. Awesome upgrade on the Grizzly 7x14. I make my split mandrels from barn nails or 16 penny. Take a small cutting disc and slice em. Then when you lose it or bend it you don’t get too upset lol 😆
@Houseworksaws Why am I not surprised that you, also, found a cheaper/better way to make a split mandrel??!!
I love the upgrade to my lil ol lathe also; I actually found a decent way to cut the squish with a 3 jaw before I ever got the 4-jaw; that video is upcoming. No comparison to a 4 jaw, but it IS a workaround.
To get the most out of boring a carb offset boring is the safest for the carb and your wallet. Offset it so you’re not cutting into the pump side or L side of the carb. Depending on what model carb if you don’t offset you’ll get into the impulse or low side passages. Now if you find any tunability issues you can play with how deep you set the nozzle at. It may not need to be seated in as deep as it was stock since now that it’s bored you’ve changed where the fastest air is. I should do a video on it because there’s so much I wanna type but I suck at it lol 😆 anyways nice job as always and great content
@Houseworksaws Ye;s Sir!! Right on all counts; as you know, there's only so much one can put in a video before eyes glaze over and click off; some would watch, but many have the attention span of a gnat; I try to fit somewhere in the middle.
I've also been playing around with changing valve nozzles (a little); it's in the next video; I have some of my own ideas on THAT as well. Thanks for being here and joining-in; as you know, it's what keeps us little guys going!!
Can't wait to see how it runs. Craming more air and fuel into it seems like a great idea to me! I like the fixture and seeing how you make tooling to modify saw parts. Appreciate the videos.
@TheJohnDeereGuy I couldn't cram it all into one video and also give all of the makeshift doodads their time. I think the rest of the carb mod and dyno run is in the next video. Thanks for being here and offering some kind words!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 no problem. Enjoying the show. Plan on building some of my own saws when farming slows and hunting is over.
@TheJohnDeereGuy Right!!?? I sure let this channel get in the way of my hunting last year!! Hopefully I'm a little more efficient this year. Some people are "ate up" with deer hunting, others are turkey... for me it's night time predators. I can't wait!!!
Little things make big differences. Chainsaw carbs are tiny compared to other high performance 2-stroke engines. All the porting/machining in the world ain’t worth diddly squat IF you can’t get the AIR thru the engine. I have a similar set/up Mark but sometimes you can just drill it to the next size providing you have a very sharp drill. I’ve found that a metal polish like mother’s works well - mirrored finish never hurts on the Venturi and the rest of the bore. It’ll would be interesting to see a before/after on the Dyno - I reckon the results will be surprising.
@fabzacres-blackcat (spoiler alert) In the next video to be released, I actually did two different sizes of venturis and did dyno tests on each. The results are not as drastic as some of the other (and possibly easier) stuff a person can do to gain power without even opening a saw, but there were gains. On a side note (another spoiler alert), I think I figured out how to make the aftermarket carbs chooch properly.
If a person doesn't have a lathe, I think drilling is a fine way to go... or even a careful hand with a rotary tool?? If a person has a small lathe, this seemed easiest/fastest to me. Set-up was pretty quick and cutting was even quicker.
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I’m wouldn’t say boring your carb .025 over will turn it into a bullet by no means - IF you machine an intake / velocity stack and use a foam filter in conjunction WITH a bored carb you should pick up a nice 3-7% gain quite easily ! The k/n filter with outwears is the weapon of choice here 😂
@fabzacres-blackcat I don't remember the percentages on the carb mod (been a bit since I recorded), but there were *some*. NoCanDo on the velocity stack and KN Filter for THIS saw. And remember.... still need a choke; it's in the air filter (so far... that's another spoiler alert for later, too 😉 )
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 oh yeah it’s that funky design with the choke built in to the filter. If it were me I’d get rid of it and make a velo stack with a clamp on filter … just fill a glass medicine eyedrop bottle with Motomix and drizzle a few drops in - fire right up. I do this on older saws that have been sitting instead of pulling the cord 15000 times. Should burp right over , if not 2nd times the charm 😎
@@fabzacres-blackcat If it would need more power and/or if I were going to keep/use it myself, that might be the way to go; converse to that, it's going to my dad for a "small saw" so he don't have to fire up the 361 if he don't need to or if his shoulders hurt too bad to yank the cord on the 361. (another spoiler alert); it's actually going to get detuned a little (already has been) because it has a little more power than it needs for him. I had fun with this one, but it was still meant to be a moderate work saw with longevity. I can't give a saw to dad that is going to need a "procedure" to get it started. Rest assured, I'm dang sure going to do a velocity stack on SOMETHING (I have a saw in mind). I may try a few tricks to see just how much I can improve the saw without opening it up... just outside/bolt-on stuff.
Chainsaw hubcaps? Never had any saws that fancy.
I'll have to make a couple of those split mandrels.
@Kevin.L_ It's probably off of one of those new strato saws or something??
Those mandrels are the bee's knees!! I've made them out of various round stock, but they won't take the punishment of too much pressure or snagging in a corner; once they are not perfectly straight, they are not fit to use; these drill bit stems seem to work well.
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 I picked up a cheap hanging HF grinder a while back. Sure is easier to use my old Makita die grinder. Foot control is like cheating!
@Kevin.L_ You ain't kidding!! A little tip that works well for me... I mounted mine on a 1x6 with a 2x4 at the front (so it has a slope like a boot jack); it keeps the pedal from moving around and puts my foot at a better angle. Hope that helps.
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 good thinking. I tried pushing the wrong way more than once.
Hey Hay !! Is that what they call porting & polishing, more air & fuel ?? Enjoyed it Sir .
Man you just keep em coming great stuff! I'm curious how you feel about using jb weld to shape your transfers or raising your intake floor
@Homes4homies Thanks for the kind words! I have never used JB weld in a saw, but I'm not opposed to trying it if I had the need. I've been told that the JB weld "quick set" is the best/strongest/stickiest or whatever... it's best for the application. Thanks for joining-in!!
Is the throttle butterfly not part of that diameter? Making a new butterfly probably isn't that hard to do if you are enlarging the area in which it fits.
Having the 2 bolts slightly loose on your new tool and slipping a centre up into the venturi would potentially give you a reasonably close starting point.
@Alan_Hans__ No sir, the butterfly is not part of the venturi; it's probably another (guessing as I don't remember exactly) 0.100" larger than the venturi. Those butterflies can be a real bugger; they are not round (as one might think); they are the precise shape to block a round hole while sitting askew in the hole; plus, there's a notch in the circumference that aligns with the jets under the welch plug and notches to align it on the shaft. Just a little bend or misalignment of the butterfly is very noticeable and causes problems.
Having the bolts loose while poking it with the live center on the tail stock is probably a quicker way to set it up!! I've seen them drilled with hand tools, so total accuracy is not required; the carb is bigger on each end of the center venturi; as long as the cutter stays out of each end, that would be good enough. Good tip!!
C'mon turning up a 1mm'ish thick brass butterfly couldn't be that hard. Just bolt it to a mandrel cut at the requisite 10 degrees or whatever it is. Certainly wouldn't be as hard as working with the imperial measuring system ;)
@Alan_Hans__ What are these "mm" of which you speak?? I tried ordering some brass stock from Amazon "the thickness of a piece of Wrigley's Juicy Fruit and as big around as a small knot in a pine board" and I didn't get any results. I *JUST* got done searching for "MM"s and didn't find any brass there either. Just choices between Plain, Peanut, Peanut Butter etc..??
Oh never mind, I found the problem; I had my search engine set on "'Murcan" 😉😉😂😂😁😁
Is that a mini lathe?
Shit the price of carbs, I paid 20 for a hd12, that was bigger then I had!!
@alltherpm It sure is; it's a 7"x12"; it's probably pushing 30 years old.
@alltherpm I agree; the prices of carbs makes it hard to even want to rebuild one, let alone modify one. In this ol' saw, I've got 5 carbs for it (2 new ones still in the box); the problem is, there's no choke in the carb itself; it's in the air cleaner. The carb body is shorter than a "regular" carb and one would STILL have to use the air filter that has the choke flap in it; I couldn't find a bigger carb that would work with the air filter and plastic. In this case, modding a carb was the only option I had. Thanks for joining-in!!
@@HayChaffandSawdust1 do u think u could Chuck a cylinder in a mini lathe to deck bottom?? I've been wanting to buy one to do my own learning
@alltherpm Short answer: Absolutely! It can be challenging. Here is a playlist I have made of the mini lathe so far; it's all chainsaw oriented; one of the videos is short and is about making a tool for the lathe to make cutting bases SOOOO much easier. studio.th-cam.com/users/playlistPLVg9XPulHE0WZhQbgsSOZX5CTJFXzcYWG/videos
There are two (three) more videos coming soon (by the end of the month, I think. One is cutting the squish band; one is cutting the base, and one is (next) making a tool to finish this carb mod. Three of the videos are NOT in the play list yet as they haven't been "published" yet.