I'd say the biggest thing Ghost Game has going for it in terms of pacing and structure, is that it always manages to keep the audience guessing about what will happen next. It's certainly not as straightforward and predictable compared to say, 2020. They do a good job in not spoiling things in advance such as new evolutions.
i feel like Ghost Game is slowly getting ready for something big, the seeds are already there and planted with the mystery of GulusGammamon, the black variants digimon in the background, and the potential return of some previous enemies in a "sinister six" type team-up
@@Olpyhon that does seem to be the case lol, we might still get some kind of end goal later on but tbh im just enjoying the show for what it is at this point
@@Andreinic97 yeah the foreshadowing was nice 5 months ago but at this point it feels like its getting nowhere. Adventure 1 managed to fit in more meaningful character devolopment in less time while following an overall plot. Kind of dissapointing for a digimon series.
Ghost Game is very unpredictable. We truly never know what comes next or even how the episode will end. It is messing with a lot of typical norms other series made us get used to. But I think that is the biggest strength of Ghost Game and what makes us really look forward to the next episode because truly anything could happen.
about the slow plot of the series, I wanted to mention I didn't expect any plot at all before the show even aired. The thing with ghost game Is that the show was planned as an episodic anime from the start. That's what the creatives said in interviews before the show begun airing, and by that they meant more episodes that your typical digimon season. Ghost game is basically a monster of the week show, but I'm glad we are still getting some minor plot related things happening in the background. From the looks of it, I assume we'll get some real plot at some point, but the writers sure are taking their time. I like ghost game, the setting, the themes and the characters are so good aswell, It's a shame they took the episodic route Another thing said in that interview, and I can clearly see that now, they didn't want people that skipped several episodes in between to feel lost after returning to the anime. And that tells you a lot about how this season was planned. It seems they didn't have enough faith they'd keep the viewers if they did a plot driven show and they took the safer route. I wonder if that will change in the future, maybe in the second half of the series, because we are still getting set ups for future events despite what they said about ghost game and its conception, like Gulus Gammamon, Blacktailmon and his presumed duty of sending either lost digimon, digimon who cause disturbance in the real world or digitamas to the Digital World, someone or something (semi confirmed by Darklizardmon) that has been throwing digimon against their will the the real world, Hiro's father and his involvement in everything and the black variant digimon appearing.
This was in the translator's notes of that specific interview. Ghost Game is referred to as having an “話完結” (“ichi-wa kanketsu“) structure, literally meaning “resolved in one episode”, referring to a format in which some major subplot must be introduced and resolved in each episode, making it easier for newcomers to jump in at any time or miss an episode without getting lost or turned off by cliffhangers; ongoing subplots or arcs that span several episodes are possible, but each individual episode’s immediate plot cannot be overly dependent on them to be understandable. Some Digimon series prior to Ghost Game are often said to have used this structure for various portions, but none of them had particularly advertised themselves on having it as a core format. The aforementioned Kitaro was also notable for having this format
“Ghost Game is weirdly quiet about what tricks it has up its sleeves.” If I may, I think this is actually a very intentional thing on Ghost Game’s part. You mentioned before that statement that Adventure, 02, and Tamers were willing to discuss to the audience what the end goal was early on. However, I think something like that just wouldn’t work for what Ghost Game is trying to be: a mystery/horror anime. Unlike these other anime that were action/adventure anime at their core, Ghost Game thrives on this feeling of not knowing anything, and its genre isn’t known to be the type to reveal stuff to its audience until the very last second when it can’t be avoided anymore. Ghost Game is intentionally keeping us in the dark because by doing so, they provoke our curious minds, and also, make us even more anxious and scared about the future. They want us to solve the mystery with these characters, because, as I’ve observed, we’re almost just as clueless as the main protagonists are over what is actually happening that’s causing all of these crazy things to occur, and like our protagonists, it makes us want answers, but also makes us feel like our lives are threatened with every episode. I think Ghost Game has done slow pacing really well by making it a way to enhance the horror and mystery of everything. This kind of pacing wouldn’t work for an action/adventure anime, but for a mystery/horror series, it works _terrifyingly_ well.
Also I'd like to applaud the makers of Ghost Game for investing so much effort in the main characters and for letting us watch their personal lives, their interests and their social circle like Ruli's friends Aoi and Mika and Hiro's friend in the dorm Kutaro, which has helped us to connect to the characters and feel for them when they face life threatening situations.
Ghost Game is a different animal. It’s making everything that happens impact so much harder. In the other seasons we didn’t even blink when digimon died, I would argue to their detriment. In episode 13 of Ghost Game the deaths were such a whiplash in tone that each death was absolutely shocking, Bokomon’s most of all.
idk about you but I 100% blinked when Pinocchiomon's cruel death with him questioning what Jureimon meant when he said the digidestined had something he didn't have or Blackwargreymon giving up his life after coming to the conclusion that he is a living being not just some pile of dark towers or even when Miyako & Iori had to come to terms with the act of murdering digimon in order to survive
I wouldn't mind Ghost Game speeding up, as much as 2020 went too fast for its own good. I also do think Ghost Game's slower MotW minded pacing allows it to avoid dumb holes like 02's Dark Ocean stuff that never really gets resolved.
So much happened in Digimon 2020 and sometimes it didn’t feel “earned”. I feel like whatever happens in Ghost Game will definitely feel earned, since they’ve taken so long to buildup something.
2020 just kept on doing the same things over and over to the point it became a joke. Kids meet Evil Digimon, struggle against Evil Digimon, kids proclaim they won't give up, then a last minute miracle bails them out. Rinse and repeat.
The kids didn't feel have real agency in 2020. Like they're just wandering to nowhere all the time fighting against mindless enemy without any real effort in characterization and world building, then the arc boss just suddenly arrive and the plot is "resolved".
The "issue" is more or less hindsight. With these kind of discussion. When watching the original you didn't really get a taste of where the story was going the conflicts just had finality. I would imagine that by the conclusion these first 21 would feel like setup to a few things. Digimon are also in a weird spot because they have autonomy. The progress in the first 3 season always had the digimon represent the kids anxiety, anger or fear. But Digimon in Ghost Game also have an arc. So while we focus on the tamer's and hope they can't just always talk away the problem a question might be "What Do The Digimon Think And that's a first in the franchise. We call them monster of the week but maybe were to focused on what we think is the big picture. Maybe we shouldn't be expecting some big bad guy to thrust the kids towards and more what the relationship between Digimon and Humans will become because right now anyone can become a Tamer
1:57 Noting major happens? Did you forget we had the first onscreen human death despite two Digimon trying to save him and getting blamed for it by the distraught family, Darklizamon and Saberbirdamon attacking asking where Blacktailmon was to Hiro, Gammamon being proactive that it triggers his ability to switch, and choose Digivoultions at will, Blacktailmon opens a new gate for them with Darklizamon apologizing for their actions, and how this experience made Hiro realize how Professor Botamon words about them being the bridge between humans and Digimon holds more weight. All in episode 20. Not to mention in the pixuemon (episode 19) reveals how Gammamon might have been a terrifying figure in the past and in the future becomes so great that it changes Pixiemon's motives. The Petermon, (Episode 18), and Monmon (Episode 14), episodes reveal that other humans have partner Digimon. Some of which evolved in different forms than usual. All without Digivices by the way. Come on Digiknow you are slipping.
Dude I am trying to recap 21 episodes in roughly one minute. You could just as easily pick apart my recaps of Adventure, Zero Two, Tamers, as I clearly left stuff out there as well. I don''t appreciate the "you are slipping" comment. Bit of an overreaction. I have 21 videos on my channel going into detail of everything that happened in this series. It's a short summary, things are going to get left on the cutting room floor.
@@thedigiknow Okay I might come across meaner I intended to sound. For I that apologize. I know you are in a rush it's just I have seen similar sentiments before about this series, but they legitimately think not much HAS happened some reviews or podcasts. I guess I got triggered and jumped to assumptions. Sorry. I do appreciate making this video concept to begin with, because it has been a growing issue where many fault this season because of pacing. When in hindsight the older seasons were almost constant in of plot or events. Granted there was filler,but most tend to overlook that.
@@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv Thanks for that apology. I understand your concern is that people will leave my video thinking nothing happened and / or that I don't like the show, and you probably just want people to know it's a good show. So I get the intention of your comment. I think later in this video and in my other videos I give a lot of love to Ghost Game though so hopefully viewers know it's a quality show. Thanks Edgardo
I think that you both have a point: on one side, it is true that we got the traumatising episodes, with the humans, bokomon, piximon, etc. On the other hand, in comparison to the digimon “norm”, we haven’t got any 3rd stages, we don’t really know any specific plot details or background information and we haven’t even properly stepped into the digital world yet. So yes, many things have happened, but at the same time, those things are not the kind of milestone that we are used to with a digimon show. But like I read and heard mentioned a few times since the show came out, this is a mystery-horror show, not a action-adventure one, like the rest of the entries in the saga, so we can not really compare how much or even what happened in them, as those milestones are gonna be different. Again, I don’t come here to set things in stone, I just thought that you both have very valid points and wanted to agree with both 😊
I think we have a lot of crumbs to eventually lead us to the main story, but we don't have enough information to form it into a coherent direction yet.
I believe Ghost Game is more of a Monster of the Week show like the X-File or the Scooby Doo series. They have to solve some mysterys causing by Digimon. But I guess there is big evil villain in the end they have to face. So I'm very excited for future episodes. So far it's one of my favorite Digimon seasons.
I don't know if it's really fair to put Adventure 02 here. It does stand by itself somewhat but it's still a sequel at its core. The objectives of it as a product and as an art piece are very different from the other shows on this list. I think Savers/Data Squad is a more interesting comparison since they both start off similarly structured but with very different pacing.
I'll wait for the end and look at it in retrospect, personally. I actually don't mind it not being serialized. Totally respect differing preferences, though.
I don't mind the breadcrumbs really, and hey, getting cute Gammamon stuff weekly isn't a bad thing. Still, I want more character work on GG humans, especially Hiro who interested me right away.
I don't keep up with the trends but it is interesting to me how these newer seasons of Digimon are running into seasons of 60+ episodes when most of the older shows capped around 50-52. That may not sound like that much more at first but to me it seems like a pretty big increase. Coming up with content to effectively fill all that time must be challenging. Since Digimon has such a large catalogue of monsters to fill the weekly time they probably can drip-feed us the overall plot at a slower pace. I'm not bored yet per se because our core group of characters is very charming and some single episodes can be really engaging and punchy, especially lately where it's become clear human lives are always on the table now. But since we're about of a third of the way through the show I am itching for some sort of revelation that really brings to light exactly what is going on here. So much of it seems centered on Gulusgammamon as his most recent appearance gives me the impression that he's anticipating something coming down the line, even if his rookie form is completely unawares.
I think the complaint I have with how the protagonists talk out problems with the digimon is that they don’t say necessarily why something is bad or tell them that something is bad. Although many opinions on the various series are in hindsight. I also watch the precure series and they usually talk and explain things well and even better in some ways
In 02 when the gang takes down Ken is one of my all time favorite digimon arcs. You have TK punch Ken in the face, you have Chimeramon, you have magnamon, you have wormmon’s.
I think the lack of a clear plot is intentional. Hopefully, Toei uses this downtime to reflect on the series because this could become the best Digimon series if it maintains the loosely followed tamers character development.
Hope it doesn't get cancelled because of the hack, If they really did lose assets of the show and didn't have backups it'd probably be cheaper for them to cancel. Let's hope that isn't the case.
I really love how each of the digimon are also entirely their own characters this season, and it really could end up being the best Digi series so far if they handle it well.
Alot happened in Adventure, which is probably why it’s a favorite of mine. Personally, I think it makes sense as Digimon have to introduce many of its basic rules for the first time ever. I definitely agree that Ghost Game definitely feels the least complex when it comes to the overarching plot but personally, I think its made up by the atmosphere, specifically the horror aesthetic, which is the reason I was able to tune in since we haven’t gotten a Digimon season where theme is surrounding the Digimon rather than the Digimon itself. Of course, time will tell how well this hold up but overall, I haven’t seen anything that I strongly dislike in the season. The closest I can think of is people who prefer more plot driven shows might not care for this but I’ve liked episode shows in the past so, I can dig it. It’s really the quality that’s the judge for me. Anyway, thanks for an interesting comparison, Digiknow!
I really dislike how frontier always gets over looked, it's my second favorite behind the original. I don't get why use the 2020 Digimon considering it's the same characters, I know it's different but the characters themselves aren't. Frontier felt different in a good way, and I really liked all the characters and transformations. I know I'm in the minority about frontier but to each their own.
I really do love frontiers but the video was going to be too big for me if I included Frontier in this! I had a limited amount of time to make the video hah. Thanks for watching! I'll definitely talk about Frontier in more detail one day
@@thedigiknow I get why you left it out, I just feel frontier is disliked by fans and don't get why. Curious how that video will be and how the comments will look for that vid. Anyways I did enjoy the vid, until next time
I like Frontier as well. Some of my favorite parts of the Adventure reboot were seeing the Legendary Warrior cameos. When I realized the dark silhouette was Velgemon I started freaking out.
Frontier is my absolute favourite season and it had the best villains of any season (Cherubimon, Duskmon, Velgemon, Mercyrimon and the legendary Lucemon), fans just love moaning about the removal of the digimon part and always ignore the greatness of the season and they selectively remember the Dark Knights arc which is labeled as "boring and repetitive" according to them, I enjoyed the show and loved its characters, my only gripe with it was the appealing way they treated Izumi.
I like the slow pace from Ghost Game because we can enjoy more time with the main cast. My main lowlight with the current season are the episodes that end in a abrupt way because they reach the time limit so the ending feels rushed, but these episodes aren't bad. I am kinda sad that the forced hiatus happened after episode 21 because I really want to watch episode 22 and 23, but I will wait for them until Toei recovers from the hacking problem.
Honestly, I'm okay that this season is taking its time. Yes, I want to know the villains' plan, but I don't want them to rush things and reveal too much. While Ghost Game isn't great, I'm still enjoying it.
The slower pacing of Ghost Game and it's conflict resolution has been a concern of mine, but I think I'd need to rewatch the whole series from start to finish outside of the 'one episode a week' format to give it a fair chance like I did adventure 2020. Which I came to appreciate more after a second viewing. Also I would be VERY pleased if you ever get the chance to give Frontier some focus. I loved that series and I didn't realize how strong the theme song 'the last element' was until many years later.
I think part of the reason why Ghost Game feels really slow is the fact we are waiting weekly (or longer with the current hiatus) for episodes. I agree they've been slow about meaningful plot advancement but Ghost Game still hasnt lost me despite this and Im longing for more. In 2020 where pretty much every week there was some kind of plot advancement it got dull because it was always the same thing, beat tge bad guys and/or get a new evolution. Ghost Game would be perfect with a little bit more main plot rather than just the teases but it is excellent as it is so far and Im excited for the future
It will be interesting to see the next third, because most of the series hit the breaks in the second third, and then pick up again in the final third. My biggest problem with Ghost Game is how much it likes to tease its main plot, but without actually giving us any solid information. Will be interesting on a re-watch once the series has completely though. I think Tamers is the only one of four where pacing was pretty consistent across the board, though that could just be chalked up to who was behind the Tamers story as well.
Overarching plot is definitely something slower in Ghost Game compared to previous series, but perhaps something else worth considering for direct comparison, though as a video idea this may be a bit more challenging, is discussing the characterization of the human casts and their (intentionally possessive because that's how it usually feels, as opposed to a partnership between 2 individuals) Digimon. Between the tighter cast and more time with the characters, I think this is where Ghost Game shines in comparison, and I think it'd be worth putting a spotlight on that as well. I'm sure there are lots of other things worth comparing as well if you want to go down that rabbit hole, like quality of fights, quality of plots and their resolutions, etc.
Really interesting video idea! 😮 I guess relative to the *main plot* none of these shows actually moved down the line as much as we thought. However, all of these shows had more palpable “Arc” stories, compared to Ghost Game. Is what I think anyways!
Personally, I don't see Ghost Game as moving slowly, because I'm interpreting it as having a different focus compared to all other digimon seasons. In all the other seasons, there was some bigger, overarching story about something or someone that threatened the world, and I don't think that attitude is the one to have for Ghost Game. To me, Ghost Game is the story of Gammamon. As in, this is literally Gammamon's story. He starts out fresh, knowing nothing and having very little personality, to getting more and more complex as the series goes on. I do have a few predictions on how the future of the evolutions will go. Since we know that digimon can partner swap, maybe we will see digimon digivolving from someone else's connection to them other than their main partner. For example, we might see Ruli be able to digivolve Jellymon just like Kiyo. However, what do you think might happen if both Kiyo and Ruli evolved Jellymon at the same time? I think that's going to be the pathway towards reaching the ultimate level. I also predict that Phelesmon will make his return some time in the future, and this situation will be the one that causes Hiro to try to digivolve Gammamon into Gulusgammamon on purpose, and truly commit to the kill for the first time.
It's a little funny ghost game gets called slow and now we literally are on an unplanned hiatus. 😂 I fear a little for when we come back and then the plot continues to be slow... This was a fun look though! I'm really just looking forward to us getting actual episodes again. I never minded the pace and I've just enjoyed the GulusGammamon teasing, sparse as it is.
Okay but can we appreciate how Ghost Game human cast has actual clothes??? Like I get the charm of having a signature outfit but GG is showing me how much I love the smaller things. For example: Hiro has his signature red hoodie, but the animators give him different pants and jackets throughout episodes. Same with Kiyoshiro, he gets different sweaters, or even the stupid slippers he and Hiro wear at their dorm. They could have easily just give them the same shoes and call it a day, maybe just socks and done. But they give them small details in each outfit that are different between each other, but still similar enough that it's the same vibe and style. Don't get me started on Ruli and her friends. Those girls are clearly background characters, but they look nice and you can see the individual style in each one of the girls while at the same time being similar to each other, clearly indicating that those girls are trendy (which is always a big plus for the worldbuilding from me). I may be a sentimental fool, but when I look back at early '00s&'10s anime, where everyone had only one signature look in the entire show - I can't help but gush over how far we've come with the details. Don't get me wrong, Taichi's googles and blue shirt were amd still are iconic, but there is something really amazing in seeing Gammamon switching his blue bandana for a scarf in episodes when the weather is colder 🙏
The problem I have with comparisons to the previous series is that people are complaining about GG being episodic when pretty every series had little carryover between story arcs Who was the main villain of Adventure? Of Tamers?
I think this hiatus will give them the time to solidify the foundation of the upcoming arc they’ve already been hinting and playing around with so definitely looking forward to what’s next
Savers was a show of a similar MOTW format to Ghost Game, up until Piyomon appeared and RizeGreymon's debut which was in episode 13 if I'm not mistaken. By then, the rest of the show was moved by its plot.
Given that Ghost game has a bit of a different overall tone perhaps showing its hand so quickly may not be a good idea to them. I mean, most of the focus so far are Digimon's interactions with the human world, which can be fairly varied, and kinda sticking to an arc at this point probably would have undercut the buildup. Perhaps GG, at least up to this point, is more about mundanity and breaking it rather than immediately thrusting kids in a situation where they have to save the world. That said, I do suspect Hiro to get angry enough to command GulusGammamon (or perhaps a 4th human). There's already been multiple occurrences of Hiro's hesitancy to go all out, which means it's a slow build up to it breaking, eventually. Maybe.
Maybe another video called Passing the Crests, where we compare the dub voiceds of the Digi-Destined from Adventure to Last Adventure. With a special intro clip saying: "In Memory of Philece Sampler. May the Crest of Sincerity's light never fade."
Digimon tamers started very intense with digimon having the instinct to kill each other and absorb their data while having grawlmon losing control of its sanity and acting all on instinct and that was just the first 3-5 episodes.
This did make me realize its going even slower in comparison than I thought. Though I would compare it most to Tamers in terms of feel and character, so its still doing pretty decent imo. It really does need to answer something soon or start a second arc lol. But I do love the increasing horror and violence tbh.
Wow! This video was an eye opener! Ghost Game really is the slowest of all the series! 😲 I also enjoy Digimon Ghost Game, but they really do need to pick up the pace. I'm enjoying now, but if it stays like this, I'm not going to be happy. In other words, I'll be like those people you mentioned with regards to Adventure 2020. Liked it at first, but fell off midway. Hopefully you're correct in predicting that it's about to drop something big and plot heavy. Maybe it'll be like a rollar coaster ride. A slow creep upward, but once you hit a certain point... "WEEEEEE!!!!!!!"
The best thing I care about is new Digimon appearance’s, I don’t really care for storytelling just as long we got a good amount of Digimon and character appearance.
One suggestion I would like to make for possible future "listing" videos would be to have the bullet points of what you're talking come into view as a list as you say them, this way it'll be a little more interesting, easier to follow as well as easier for the viewer to make their own comparisons between all lists (even if they're not ever present in screen at the same time) If you're having issues to visualize what I mean, check out IWinToLoseGaming's videos as I believe he has a clean, easy to follow style lists which are often featured given his main content subject
You're totally right! To be honest I was on a deadline / time crunch with this video and needed to get it out in time for my normal Sunday slot (because I had other commitments that week) -- but if I had more time, on screen summary notes would have been better.
A bit of an off-topic question, but I was wondering if I got could your opinion on something? If Digimon had to pick one format of game to go with for evolution, the V-Pet method or the Cyber Sleuth method, which one should they go with?
I really do like Ghost Game to me the best we have had in the series since Tamers or Savers/Data Squad I also have a foresight that Ghost Game will bring us many Creepypasta Memes for yrs to come it does very well for where we are at now it might be a pretty long running series perhaps longer than the Digimon Series of the past with the exception of Adventure 2020 I can safely say Hiro and Gammamon are my favorite Protagonist partners since Davis and Veemon which speaks volume with how high regard I hold Adventure 02 and we haven’t had a series this good for over a decade from how disappointing Adventure Tri was, to LEK being mediocre, and Fusion/Xros Wars wasn’t for me same goes for Frontier and so Ghost Game is leagues beyond these shows and only 21 Eps in, as for Adventure 2020 reboot I saw it nothing more than an unnecessary reboot there were moments I enjoyed and the new Digivolutions are great it was certainly a lot better than the aforementioned but it was really dragged on I didn’t like how they handled Devimon and his Evolutions and Millenniummon terrible show ins for these characters, also too rushed when most the Digidestines get their Digivolutions the pay off isn’t as powerful as they were in Adventure 01 they really just need to quit attempting to recapturing the Magic and Nostalgia of Adventure 01 especially after failing at it for the 3rd time. For me Adventure 01 and 02 are my absolute favorites S Tiers essentially to me they are what DBZ is to Dragonball series as a whole or Stardust Crusaders Part 3 is to JJBA so the best entries in the series and potentially Ghost Game might have a chance to be as top tier as those and even if it doesn’t I will like it as much as I like Tamers and Savers that are the next contenders behind Adventure 01 and 02, what makes Ghost Game better than most of all the current state of Digimon series is that is a nice and new fresh take on the Series that I think Digimon needs and has needed for a while it isn’t another Nostalgia bait rehashed dragged out no direction that Adventure 2020 was, or the retcon mess and another Nostalgia bait in Adventure Tri is, or the terrible concept of what Frontier was like they were trying to make Digimon into Power Rangers, or whatever the hell Fusion was suppose to be. I know I maybe ripping on Adventure 2020 but I do like it pretty decent 7/10 but I didn’t ask for Adventure 01 to be rebooted they made 67 Eps which is longer than anything before it and instead of making a reboot most people myself included didn’t ask for we could’ve got a fresh new OG story that recaptures what Digimon is and we are going to get that with Ghost Game imo.
I really liked Adventure 2020. It's pace does feel pretty rushed as far as Digivolutions go. Probably a side effect of needing to get 8 kids to Mega level. Honestly, I'm loving Ghost Game and I enjoy its pacing actually. It makes it more mysterious and I'm fine with a drawn out story. I'm not the biggest fan of how much Talk no justsu is used, but I'm also fine with ut because they've clearly shown its NOT always possible. Or that a clever opponent won't just take advantage of your mercy to come back later.
The lack of any real character development, an incredibly boring lead, repetitive plots and villains didn't do the reboot much in the way of favours. It was clearly leaning a lot on nostalgia and fanservice to carry it.
@@minicle426 My kids liked it plenty and I thought it was fun. It may not have been as good as the original (even if the viduals are nicely upgraded) or Tamers, but it was still fun.
I do wish they would start to introduce Ultimates or at least the Macmuffin to evolve into Ultimate so we can see a possible timeline when it’ll happen cause if they don’t pick up the pace a little they’ll have to do so massively later on because they’re probably not going to get more than 50 episodes and the slow speed has it’s limitations when it comes to how many episodes a company is willing to give a show.
GG is supposed to be horror based, so the protagonists aren’t really supposed to be in control of the situation most of the time Them being proactive would make it too superhero-y
With Gulus only being Adult/champion level and yet already so damn strong and being a big central of the story, i feel the Ultimate evolutionis gonna be really made into big deal. And with it being horror and mystery based with a lot of Digimon's power being taken more seriously, they also can't become too OP soon.
@@pn2294 yh i know but from the digivolutions we've seen so far would it really be that out there considering partener swappings a thing in this series
More importantly I feel like Digimon GG is the most enjoyable to watch, whereas OG Adventure and 02 weren't always as entertaining, mainly because the OG cast is kind of annoying in the beginning and 02, while it remedies that, visually it looks probably the worse of any season. Adventure 2020 had the strength of individual episodes, but most of them being fights without proper balance really destroys half of that show, GG I feel like finally gets the middle ground of all, having good individual episode stories, good fights and the best animation and visuals of the series. And what really shows how good GG is, it's how even with just the minimum storyline, it still manages to intrigue and keeps us hooked with any development it has, and how even when the show spent like, 5 episodes without anything major happening, I never felt any less compelled to watch, which is a sentiment I saw a lot of people having.
Comparisons and Contrast for Digimon series only work for me when they actually complete; once Ghost Game is actually done will I be able to decide if it surpassed or fell behind another series. As the video showed, each digimon series has its own pace where things pick up at some point but then they drop off later (depending on which series you look at). In case of Ghost Game against everyone else, I think it's plot is showing bits and parts as each episode goes on; the biggest concepts being the dark digimon, how humans could perceive digimon, Black Tailmon, and (maybe) potential human children and partner digimon. I think there is direction but I can admit it could be faster; had the Toei hack not happened maybe the next episode we were suppose to see was going to do something with thatl.
I am happy with how Ghost game is going because what story information we do get as well as the action that follows never failed to disappoint. I would say it will start to become a concern of the pacing however if the next few episodes roll around and nothing happens. Being drip fed information since it is a mystery series after all is fine but it boils down to how much the show is filling to stick around or willing to tell as the 20s-30s roll around as I'm afraid the show will start to get boring for many otherwise.
The show was designed to be MOW "one and done" and have little plot as said in interviews. I think it's an odd choice for a anime like this but who knows maybe this is what kids love now, for me it's so boring I like shows with an ongoing plot.
2020 had a whole lot of whatever happen story-wise, and I'm afraid of Ghost Game meandering too much with the filler we had from 14-19. Especially Icy Hell, that one was awful. Glad to have 20 and 21 get us back on track. I'm okay with a mysterious slow burn, not completely sidelining the plot. With the smaller cast, it'd be nice if it follow the Tamers example, Hiro and Gammamon really had a sort of Takato/Guilmon relationship in the first several episodes, but they don't get time to breath with all the pop up villains.
Nice job coming up with some filler content bro, honestly it didn't even feel like filler content to me. I like the comparison between seasons. A few years ago I actually watched the first 4 seasons out of order and I think it was because of a review from Billiam if memory serves. It's funny the timing it had because not long after that 2020 came out and I discovered your channel. Not really sure if I have a point to make here, just a bit of reminiscing I suppose.
I mean I felt that ghost game had similar pacing to tamers given that it’s a trio and we didn’t have a big bad for the most part apart from Hypnos but I can also see how Tamers was still be developed. What I want from ghost game is for it to finally tackle some lore and more exposition about this version of the digital world, they almost need a Genai
Excluding nostalgia, i would put it above most Digimon series. Maybe not as high as 02, but it is definitely "top 5" (i don't bother about the ranking aspect). One it started picking up pace. The episodic aspect is a double edged sword, because it benefits children who just watch it and won't bother if they won't be bothered if they missed few episodes, on the other hand episodic shows can be annoying for other people. The characters have nice dynamics, they quirky and are fun and the show basically takes best aspects of applimon and applies to Digimon formula which is an absolute win.
If anything this kinda shows to me plot progression doesn’t equal quality. I haven’t seen adventure 2020 but I have recently rewatched the other 3 and foist game recently and I got a have the hot take that adventure and 02 haven’t aged that well despite a lot happening. Despite what problems ghost game has it’s a dang good show I am happy today But that’s just my take
Ghost Game feels like it wants to be long, like One Piece long lol it's super enjoyable but I'm afraid it will pull a Kingdom Hearts 3 and try to jam the entire plot into the home stretch.
Yeah that’s true in this video I assume this was the first “third” of the show implying it’ll have around 60 episodes, but we still don’t actually know if it will be longer than that
When I was a teenager, I didn't like tamers. Now I am 34 and I am looking to give tamers a chance. I loved how S1 and S2 transitioned into each other and showed the old crew aging. Then tri was the icing on the cake. My only gripe about ghost game was it didn't follow the destruction formula of Digimon. It was more so, don't do this again, I'm sorry and everyone lives happily ever after. Digimon 2020 was all over the place but I loved it. Thank you for uploading this take and watching Digimon has been my Sunday routine for a while.
Thank you, my sentiments exactly! I like the more Anime, less Pokémon/cartoonish that is Ghost Game but they really need to stop with the overt childish episodes while promoting a more adult horror theme. I mean they ARE KILLING PEOPLE after all. And as far as i know, none of the other series has a body count which alone sets this apart from the rest. Also they can spend much better time on character development especially Hiro (whome I find pretty one note) My biggest issue is that there is in these first 21 episodes only a small handful of episodes that are interesting (only 4 or 5 to me worth rewatching) outside of those there isnt much to there keep fans vested in the series and I'll be honest, had it not been for episode 13 I wouldn't give the series a second glance.
Ghost game is way too episodic. It uses the same formula for every episodes. We don’t even get a real villain, just random bad digimon that got defeated immediately after their appearance
I'd say the biggest thing Ghost Game has going for it in terms of pacing and structure, is that it always manages to keep the audience guessing about what will happen next. It's certainly not as straightforward and predictable compared to say, 2020. They do a good job in not spoiling things in advance such as new evolutions.
i feel like Ghost Game is slowly getting ready for something big, the seeds are already there and planted with the mystery of GulusGammamon, the black variants digimon in the background, and the potential return of some previous enemies in a "sinister six" type team-up
5 months later and nothing happened XD
@@Olpyhon that does seem to be the case lol, we might still get some kind of end goal later on but tbh im just enjoying the show for what it is at this point
@@Andreinic97 yeah the foreshadowing was nice 5 months ago but at this point it feels like its getting nowhere. Adventure 1 managed to fit in more meaningful character devolopment in less time while following an overall plot. Kind of dissapointing for a digimon series.
@@Olpyhon true but it is what it is, at least its better than most digimon shows from the 2010s
@@Andreinic97 yes
As a kid watching Adventure week by week, each "arc" felt like an entire season.
Ghost Game is very unpredictable. We truly never know what comes next or even how the episode will end. It is messing with a lot of typical norms other series made us get used to. But I think that is the biggest strength of Ghost Game and what makes us really look forward to the next episode because truly anything could happen.
about the slow plot of the series, I wanted to mention I didn't expect any plot at all before the show even aired.
The thing with ghost game Is that the show was planned as an episodic anime from the start. That's what the creatives said in interviews before the show begun airing, and by that they meant more episodes that your typical digimon season. Ghost game is basically a monster of the week show, but I'm glad we are still getting some minor plot related things happening in the background. From the looks of it, I assume we'll get some real plot at some point, but the writers sure are taking their time.
I like ghost game, the setting, the themes and the characters are so good aswell, It's a shame they took the episodic route
Another thing said in that interview, and I can clearly see that now, they didn't want people that skipped several episodes in between to feel lost after returning to the anime. And that tells you a lot about how this season was planned. It seems they didn't have enough faith they'd keep the viewers if they did a plot driven show and they took the safer route.
I wonder if that will change in the future, maybe in the second half of the series, because we are still getting set ups for future events despite what they said about ghost game and its conception, like Gulus Gammamon, Blacktailmon and his presumed duty of sending either lost digimon, digimon who cause disturbance in the real world or digitamas to the Digital World, someone or something (semi confirmed by Darklizardmon) that has been throwing digimon against their will the the real world, Hiro's father and his involvement in everything and the black variant digimon appearing.
This was in the translator's notes of that specific interview.
Ghost Game is referred to as having an “話完結” (“ichi-wa kanketsu“) structure, literally meaning “resolved in one episode”, referring to a format in which some major subplot must be introduced and resolved in each episode, making it easier for newcomers to jump in at any time or miss an episode without getting lost or turned off by cliffhangers; ongoing subplots or arcs that span several episodes are possible, but each individual episode’s immediate plot cannot be overly dependent on them to be understandable. Some Digimon series prior to Ghost Game are often said to have used this structure for various portions, but none of them had particularly advertised themselves on having it as a core format. The aforementioned Kitaro was also notable for having this format
“Ghost Game is weirdly quiet about what tricks it has up its sleeves.”
If I may, I think this is actually a very intentional thing on Ghost Game’s part. You mentioned before that statement that Adventure, 02, and Tamers were willing to discuss to the audience what the end goal was early on.
However, I think something like that just wouldn’t work for what Ghost Game is trying to be: a mystery/horror anime. Unlike these other anime that were action/adventure anime at their core, Ghost Game thrives on this feeling of not knowing anything, and its genre isn’t known to be the type to reveal stuff to its audience until the very last second when it can’t be avoided anymore.
Ghost Game is intentionally keeping us in the dark because by doing so, they provoke our curious minds, and also, make us even more anxious and scared about the future. They want us to solve the mystery with these characters, because, as I’ve observed, we’re almost just as clueless as the main protagonists are over what is actually happening that’s causing all of these crazy things to occur, and like our protagonists, it makes us want answers, but also makes us feel like our lives are threatened with every episode.
I think Ghost Game has done slow pacing really well by making it a way to enhance the horror and mystery of everything. This kind of pacing wouldn’t work for an action/adventure anime, but for a mystery/horror series, it works _terrifyingly_ well.
Also I'd like to applaud the makers of Ghost Game for investing so much effort in the main characters and for letting us watch their personal lives, their interests and their social circle like Ruli's friends Aoi and Mika and Hiro's friend in the dorm Kutaro, which has helped us to connect to the characters and feel for them when they face life threatening situations.
Ghost Game is a different animal. It’s making everything that happens impact so much harder. In the other seasons we didn’t even blink when digimon died, I would argue to their detriment. In episode 13 of Ghost Game the deaths were such a whiplash in tone that each death was absolutely shocking, Bokomon’s most of all.
Great point of view ! :)
@@thedigiknow Ghost Game is only rivaled by tamers in my eyes, and that’s only because of Beelzemon’s character arc.
idk about you but I 100% blinked when Pinocchiomon's cruel death with him questioning what Jureimon meant when he said the digidestined had something he didn't have or Blackwargreymon giving up his life after coming to the conclusion that he is a living being not just some pile of dark towers or even when Miyako & Iori had to come to terms with the act of murdering digimon in order to survive
I wouldn't mind Ghost Game speeding up, as much as 2020 went too fast for its own good. I also do think Ghost Game's slower MotW minded pacing allows it to avoid dumb holes like 02's Dark Ocean stuff that never really gets resolved.
You say that as though they intended for the Dark Ocean to be a full on story arc
@@pn2294 it was supposed to be, no?
@@HazeEmry it wasn’t
@@pn2294 it sure felt like it was. A shame it wasn't even planned
@@pn2294 I'm pretty sure it was meant to be at least something of an arc that wasn't fully developed.
So much happened in Digimon 2020 and sometimes it didn’t feel “earned”. I feel like whatever happens in Ghost Game will definitely feel earned, since they’ve taken so long to buildup something.
Great point, Anthony!
2020 just kept on doing the same things over and over to the point it became a joke.
Kids meet Evil Digimon, struggle against Evil Digimon, kids proclaim they won't give up, then a last minute miracle bails them out. Rinse and repeat.
The kids didn't feel have real agency in 2020. Like they're just wandering to nowhere all the time fighting against mindless enemy without any real effort in characterization and world building, then the arc boss just suddenly arrive and the plot is "resolved".
@@RPGNoZero yes, but personally I was bothered by the inconsistent animation quality.
@@minicle426 yup. And by miracle it was either TK or matt show up with new evolution
The "issue" is more or less hindsight. With these kind of discussion. When watching the original you didn't really get a taste of where the story was going the conflicts just had finality.
I would imagine that by the conclusion these first 21 would feel like setup to a few things. Digimon are also in a weird spot because they have autonomy.
The progress in the first 3 season always had the digimon represent the kids anxiety, anger or fear. But Digimon in Ghost Game also have an arc.
So while we focus on the tamer's and hope they can't just always talk away the problem a question might be "What Do The Digimon Think
And that's a first in the franchise. We call them monster of the week but maybe were to focused on what we think is the big picture.
Maybe we shouldn't be expecting some big bad guy to thrust the kids towards and more what the relationship between Digimon and Humans will become because right now anyone can become a Tamer
1:57 Noting major happens? Did you forget we had the first onscreen human death despite two Digimon trying to save him and getting blamed for it by the distraught family, Darklizamon and Saberbirdamon attacking asking where Blacktailmon was to Hiro, Gammamon being proactive that it triggers his ability to switch, and choose Digivoultions at will, Blacktailmon opens a new gate for them with Darklizamon apologizing for their actions, and how this experience made Hiro realize how Professor Botamon words about them being the bridge between humans and Digimon holds more weight. All in episode 20.
Not to mention in the pixuemon (episode 19) reveals how Gammamon might have been a terrifying figure in the past and in the future becomes so great that it changes Pixiemon's motives. The Petermon, (Episode 18), and Monmon (Episode 14), episodes reveal that other humans have partner Digimon. Some of which evolved in different forms than usual. All without Digivices by the way. Come on Digiknow you are slipping.
Dude I am trying to recap 21 episodes in roughly one minute. You could just as easily pick apart my recaps of Adventure, Zero Two, Tamers, as I clearly left stuff out there as well. I don''t appreciate the "you are slipping" comment. Bit of an overreaction.
I have 21 videos on my channel going into detail of everything that happened in this series. It's a short summary, things are going to get left on the cutting room floor.
@@thedigiknow Okay I might come across meaner I intended to sound. For I that apologize. I know you are in a rush it's just I have seen similar sentiments before about this series, but they legitimately think not much HAS happened some reviews or podcasts. I guess I got triggered and jumped to assumptions. Sorry. I do appreciate making this video concept to begin with, because it has been a growing issue where many fault this season because of pacing. When in hindsight the older seasons were almost constant in of plot or events. Granted there was filler,but most tend to overlook that.
@@EdgardoJCruz-dk5kv Thanks for that apology. I understand your concern is that people will leave my video thinking nothing happened and / or that I don't like the show, and you probably just want people to know it's a good show. So I get the intention of your comment. I think later in this video and in my other videos I give a lot of love to Ghost Game though so hopefully viewers know it's a quality show. Thanks Edgardo
I think that you both have a point: on one side, it is true that we got the traumatising episodes, with the humans, bokomon, piximon, etc.
On the other hand, in comparison to the digimon “norm”, we haven’t got any 3rd stages, we don’t really know any specific plot details or background information and we haven’t even properly stepped into the digital world yet.
So yes, many things have happened, but at the same time, those things are not the kind of milestone that we are used to with a digimon show. But like I read and heard mentioned a few times since the show came out, this is a mystery-horror show, not a action-adventure one, like the rest of the entries in the saga, so we can not really compare how much or even what happened in them, as those milestones are gonna be different.
Again, I don’t come here to set things in stone, I just thought that you both have very valid points and wanted to agree with both 😊
I think we have a lot of crumbs to eventually lead us to the main story, but we don't have enough information to form it into a coherent direction yet.
I believe Ghost Game is more of a Monster of the Week show like the X-File or the Scooby Doo series. They have to solve some mysterys causing by Digimon. But I guess there is big evil villain in the end they have to face. So I'm very excited for future episodes. So far it's one of my favorite Digimon seasons.
If Grandracmon doesn't show up at some point, I'm going to be disappointed.
I don't know if it's really fair to put Adventure 02 here. It does stand by itself somewhat but it's still a sequel at its core. The objectives of it as a product and as an art piece are very different from the other shows on this list.
I think Savers/Data Squad is a more interesting comparison since they both start off similarly structured but with very different pacing.
Ghost game is the only digimon series close to my heart after the first 3 and that is saying a LOT for a 2021 anime....
You should do the same comparison with ghost game, frontier, savers, xros wars and appmon
I'll wait for the end and look at it in retrospect, personally. I actually don't mind it not being serialized. Totally respect differing preferences, though.
I don't mind the breadcrumbs really, and hey, getting cute Gammamon stuff weekly isn't a bad thing. Still, I want more character work on GG humans, especially Hiro who interested me right away.
I don't keep up with the trends but it is interesting to me how these newer seasons of Digimon are running into seasons of 60+ episodes when most of the older shows capped around 50-52. That may not sound like that much more at first but to me it seems like a pretty big increase. Coming up with content to effectively fill all that time must be challenging. Since Digimon has such a large catalogue of monsters to fill the weekly time they probably can drip-feed us the overall plot at a slower pace. I'm not bored yet per se because our core group of characters is very charming and some single episodes can be really engaging and punchy, especially lately where it's become clear human lives are always on the table now. But since we're about of a third of the way through the show I am itching for some sort of revelation that really brings to light exactly what is going on here. So much of it seems centered on Gulusgammamon as his most recent appearance gives me the impression that he's anticipating something coming down the line, even if his rookie form is completely unawares.
I think the complaint I have with how the protagonists talk out problems with the digimon is that they don’t say necessarily why something is bad or tell them that something is bad. Although many opinions on the various series are in hindsight. I also watch the precure series and they usually talk and explain things well and even better in some ways
In 02 when the gang takes down Ken is one of my all time favorite digimon arcs. You have TK punch Ken in the face, you have Chimeramon, you have magnamon, you have wormmon’s.
I think the lack of a clear plot is intentional. Hopefully, Toei uses this downtime to reflect on the series because this could become the best Digimon series if it maintains the loosely followed tamers character development.
Hope it doesn't get cancelled because of the hack, If they really did lose assets of the show and didn't have backups it'd probably be cheaper for them to cancel. Let's hope that isn't the case.
I really love how each of the digimon are also entirely their own characters this season, and it really could end up being the best Digi series so far if they handle it well.
@@ShadeSlayer1911 "Dahling!"
Alot happened in Adventure, which is probably why it’s a favorite of mine. Personally, I think it makes sense as Digimon have to introduce many of its basic rules for the first time ever. I definitely agree that Ghost Game definitely feels the least complex when it comes to the overarching plot but personally, I think its made up by the atmosphere, specifically the horror aesthetic, which is the reason I was able to tune in since we haven’t gotten a Digimon season where theme is surrounding the Digimon rather than the Digimon itself. Of course, time will tell how well this hold up but overall, I haven’t seen anything that I strongly dislike in the season. The closest I can think of is people who prefer more plot driven shows might not care for this but I’ve liked episode shows in the past so, I can dig it. It’s really the quality that’s the judge for me. Anyway, thanks for an interesting comparison, Digiknow!
For me I like how Ghost Game is going, slow yes but Gammamon cute moments make up for it and I'm a fan of "good things come to those who wait"
great concept made for a great video!
I really dislike how frontier always gets over looked, it's my second favorite behind the original. I don't get why use the 2020 Digimon considering it's the same characters, I know it's different but the characters themselves aren't. Frontier felt different in a good way, and I really liked all the characters and transformations. I know I'm in the minority about frontier but to each their own.
I really do love frontiers but the video was going to be too big for me if I included Frontier in this! I had a limited amount of time to make the video hah. Thanks for watching! I'll definitely talk about Frontier in more detail one day
@@thedigiknow I get why you left it out, I just feel frontier is disliked by fans and don't get why. Curious how that video will be and how the comments will look for that vid. Anyways I did enjoy the vid, until next time
yeah frontier was my 3rd favorite
I like Frontier as well. Some of my favorite parts of the Adventure reboot were seeing the Legendary Warrior cameos. When I realized the dark silhouette was Velgemon I started freaking out.
Frontier is my absolute favourite season and it had the best villains of any season (Cherubimon, Duskmon, Velgemon, Mercyrimon and the legendary Lucemon), fans just love moaning about the removal of the digimon part and always ignore the greatness of the season and they selectively remember the Dark Knights arc which is labeled as "boring and repetitive" according to them, I enjoyed the show and loved its characters, my only gripe with it was the appealing way they treated Izumi.
I like the slow pace from Ghost Game because we can enjoy more time with the main cast.
My main lowlight with the current season are the episodes that end in a abrupt way because they reach the time limit so the ending feels rushed, but these episodes aren't bad.
I am kinda sad that the forced hiatus happened after episode 21 because I really want to watch episode 22 and 23, but I will wait for them until Toei recovers from the hacking problem.
Honestly, I'm okay that this season is taking its time. Yes, I want to know the villains' plan, but I don't want them to rush things and reveal too much. While Ghost Game isn't great, I'm still enjoying it.
I’m fine with the Pacing of Ghost Game now. Yes it was off to a slow start but as long as Jellymon is there all is good.
My personal ranking of the first 20 eps is :
1- Tamers
2- Adventure
3- Ghost Game
4- 02
It is interesting going back and seeing what happened in each series for the First 20 eps.
Yeah it was a fun exercise for me for sure! I was surprised mostly by Adventure 1999 and Tamers who much happened in the first 20
The slower pacing of Ghost Game and it's conflict resolution has been a concern of mine, but I think I'd need to rewatch the whole series from start to finish outside of the 'one episode a week' format to give it a fair chance like I did adventure 2020. Which I came to appreciate more after a second viewing.
Also I would be VERY pleased if you ever get the chance to give Frontier some focus. I loved that series and I didn't realize how strong the theme song 'the last element' was until many years later.
I really liked Frontier as a kid so one day I will definitely cover it !
I think part of the reason why Ghost Game feels really slow is the fact we are waiting weekly (or longer with the current hiatus) for episodes. I agree they've been slow about meaningful plot advancement but Ghost Game still hasnt lost me despite this and Im longing for more. In 2020 where pretty much every week there was some kind of plot advancement it got dull because it was always the same thing, beat tge bad guys and/or get a new evolution. Ghost Game would be perfect with a little bit more main plot rather than just the teases but it is excellent as it is so far and Im excited for the future
It will be interesting to see the next third, because most of the series hit the breaks in the second third, and then pick up again in the final third. My biggest problem with Ghost Game is how much it likes to tease its main plot, but without actually giving us any solid information. Will be interesting on a re-watch once the series has completely though. I think Tamers is the only one of four where pacing was pretty consistent across the board, though that could just be chalked up to who was behind the Tamers story as well.
Overarching plot is definitely something slower in Ghost Game compared to previous series, but perhaps something else worth considering for direct comparison, though as a video idea this may be a bit more challenging, is discussing the characterization of the human casts and their (intentionally possessive because that's how it usually feels, as opposed to a partnership between 2 individuals) Digimon. Between the tighter cast and more time with the characters, I think this is where Ghost Game shines in comparison, and I think it'd be worth putting a spotlight on that as well. I'm sure there are lots of other things worth comparing as well if you want to go down that rabbit hole, like quality of fights, quality of plots and their resolutions, etc.
That’s a lot of followers you got there DigiKnow.
Really interesting video idea! 😮
I guess relative to the *main plot* none of these shows actually moved down the line as much as we thought. However, all of these shows had more palpable “Arc” stories, compared to Ghost Game. Is what I think anyways!
Personally, I don't see Ghost Game as moving slowly, because I'm interpreting it as having a different focus compared to all other digimon seasons. In all the other seasons, there was some bigger, overarching story about something or someone that threatened the world, and I don't think that attitude is the one to have for Ghost Game. To me, Ghost Game is the story of Gammamon. As in, this is literally Gammamon's story. He starts out fresh, knowing nothing and having very little personality, to getting more and more complex as the series goes on.
I do have a few predictions on how the future of the evolutions will go. Since we know that digimon can partner swap, maybe we will see digimon digivolving from someone else's connection to them other than their main partner. For example, we might see Ruli be able to digivolve Jellymon just like Kiyo. However, what do you think might happen if both Kiyo and Ruli evolved Jellymon at the same time? I think that's going to be the pathway towards reaching the ultimate level.
I also predict that Phelesmon will make his return some time in the future, and this situation will be the one that causes Hiro to try to digivolve Gammamon into Gulusgammamon on purpose, and truly commit to the kill for the first time.
It's a little funny ghost game gets called slow and now we literally are on an unplanned hiatus. 😂 I fear a little for when we come back and then the plot continues to be slow...
This was a fun look though! I'm really just looking forward to us getting actual episodes again. I never minded the pace and I've just enjoyed the GulusGammamon teasing, sparse as it is.
Okay but can we appreciate how Ghost Game human cast has actual clothes??? Like I get the charm of having a signature outfit but GG is showing me how much I love the smaller things. For example: Hiro has his signature red hoodie, but the animators give him different pants and jackets throughout episodes. Same with Kiyoshiro, he gets different sweaters, or even the stupid slippers he and Hiro wear at their dorm. They could have easily just give them the same shoes and call it a day, maybe just socks and done. But they give them small details in each outfit that are different between each other, but still similar enough that it's the same vibe and style. Don't get me started on Ruli and her friends. Those girls are clearly background characters, but they look nice and you can see the individual style in each one of the girls while at the same time being similar to each other, clearly indicating that those girls are trendy (which is always a big plus for the worldbuilding from me). I may be a sentimental fool, but when I look back at early '00s&'10s anime, where everyone had only one signature look in the entire show - I can't help but gush over how far we've come with the details. Don't get me wrong, Taichi's googles and blue shirt were amd still are iconic, but there is something really amazing in seeing Gammamon switching his blue bandana for a scarf in episodes when the weather is colder 🙏
The problem I have with comparisons to the previous series is that people are complaining about GG being episodic when pretty every series had little carryover between story arcs
Who was the main villain of Adventure? Of Tamers?
Apocalymon and D-Reaper were the main villains of Adventure and Tamers respectively.
@@forzacmo9069 Apocalymon only showed up in the last 2 episodes of the show.
D-Reaper was only alluded to in the last third of the series
I think this hiatus will give them the time to solidify the foundation of the upcoming arc they’ve already been hinting and playing around with so definitely looking forward to what’s next
Savers was a show of a similar MOTW format to Ghost Game, up until Piyomon appeared and RizeGreymon's debut which was in episode 13 if I'm not mistaken. By then, the rest of the show was moved by its plot.
Given that Ghost game has a bit of a different overall tone perhaps showing its hand so quickly may not be a good idea to them. I mean, most of the focus so far are Digimon's interactions with the human world, which can be fairly varied, and kinda sticking to an arc at this point probably would have undercut the buildup. Perhaps GG, at least up to this point, is more about mundanity and breaking it rather than immediately thrusting kids in a situation where they have to save the world.
That said, I do suspect Hiro to get angry enough to command GulusGammamon (or perhaps a 4th human). There's already been multiple occurrences of Hiro's hesitancy to go all out, which means it's a slow build up to it breaking, eventually. Maybe.
Maybe another video called Passing the Crests, where we compare the dub voiceds of the Digi-Destined from Adventure to Last Adventure. With a special intro clip saying: "In Memory of Philece Sampler. May the Crest of Sincerity's light never fade."
Digimon tamers started very intense with digimon having the instinct to kill each other and absorb their data while having grawlmon losing control of its sanity and acting all on instinct and that was just the first 3-5 episodes.
Can do you a video on frontier?
there were alot more plot in other first 21 episidoes in other season than in ghost game ,
This did make me realize its going even slower in comparison than I thought. Though I would compare it most to Tamers in terms of feel and character, so its still doing pretty decent imo. It really does need to answer something soon or start a second arc lol. But I do love the increasing horror and violence tbh.
Tamers was pretty slow paced too people forget, it wasn't until over half way through did it get the more usual narrative.
Wow! This video was an eye opener! Ghost Game really is the slowest of all the series! 😲
I also enjoy Digimon Ghost Game, but they really do need to pick up the pace. I'm enjoying now, but if it stays like this, I'm not going to be happy. In other words, I'll be like those people you mentioned with regards to Adventure 2020. Liked it at first, but fell off midway. Hopefully you're correct in predicting that it's about to drop something big and plot heavy. Maybe it'll be like a rollar coaster ride. A slow creep upward, but once you hit a certain point... "WEEEEEE!!!!!!!"
The best thing I care about is new Digimon appearance’s, I don’t really care for storytelling just as long we got a good amount of Digimon and character appearance.
the new digimon ARE pretty amazing :)
I love the scooby style just random every ep
One suggestion I would like to make for possible future "listing" videos would be to have the bullet points of what you're talking come into view as a list as you say them, this way it'll be a little more interesting, easier to follow as well as easier for the viewer to make their own comparisons between all lists (even if they're not ever present in screen at the same time)
If you're having issues to visualize what I mean, check out IWinToLoseGaming's videos as I believe he has a clean, easy to follow style lists which are often featured given his main content subject
You're totally right! To be honest I was on a deadline / time crunch with this video and needed to get it out in time for my normal Sunday slot (because I had other commitments that week) -- but if I had more time, on screen summary notes would have been better.
@@thedigiknow no worries, the video was still fun and informative as usual!
Ghost Game is becoming one of my favorite Digimon seasons
It's great!
@@thedigiknow I have a Digimon ghost game theory about Hiro’s father but I don’t want to spoil it in case I’m right.
A bit of an off-topic question, but I was wondering if I got could your opinion on something? If Digimon had to pick one format of game to go with for evolution, the V-Pet method or the Cyber Sleuth method, which one should they go with?
I really do like Ghost Game to me the best we have had in the series since Tamers or Savers/Data Squad I also have a foresight that Ghost Game will bring us many Creepypasta Memes for yrs to come it does very well for where we are at now it might be a pretty long running series perhaps longer than the Digimon Series of the past with the exception of Adventure 2020 I can safely say Hiro and Gammamon are my favorite Protagonist partners since Davis and Veemon which speaks volume with how high regard I hold Adventure 02 and we haven’t had a series this good for over a decade from how disappointing Adventure Tri was, to LEK being mediocre, and Fusion/Xros Wars wasn’t for me same goes for Frontier and so Ghost Game is leagues beyond these shows and only 21 Eps in, as for Adventure 2020 reboot I saw it nothing more than an unnecessary reboot there were moments I enjoyed and the new Digivolutions are great it was certainly a lot better than the aforementioned but it was really dragged on I didn’t like how they handled Devimon and his Evolutions and Millenniummon terrible show ins for these characters, also too rushed when most the Digidestines get their Digivolutions the pay off isn’t as powerful as they were in Adventure 01 they really just need to quit attempting to recapturing the Magic and Nostalgia of Adventure 01 especially after failing at it for the 3rd time. For me Adventure 01 and 02 are my absolute favorites S Tiers essentially to me they are what DBZ is to Dragonball series as a whole or Stardust Crusaders Part 3 is to JJBA so the best entries in the series and potentially Ghost Game might have a chance to be as top tier as those and even if it doesn’t I will like it as much as I like Tamers and Savers that are the next contenders behind Adventure 01 and 02, what makes Ghost Game better than most of all the current state of Digimon series is that is a nice and new fresh take on the Series that I think Digimon needs and has needed for a while it isn’t another Nostalgia bait rehashed dragged out no direction that Adventure 2020 was, or the retcon mess and another Nostalgia bait in Adventure Tri is, or the terrible concept of what Frontier was like they were trying to make Digimon into Power Rangers, or whatever the hell Fusion was suppose to be. I know I maybe ripping on Adventure 2020 but I do like it pretty decent 7/10 but I didn’t ask for Adventure 01 to be rebooted they made 67 Eps which is longer than anything before it and instead of making a reboot most people myself included didn’t ask for we could’ve got a fresh new OG story that recaptures what Digimon is and we are going to get that with Ghost Game imo.
I really liked Adventure 2020.
It's pace does feel pretty rushed as far as Digivolutions go. Probably a side effect of needing to get 8 kids to Mega level.
Honestly, I'm loving Ghost Game and I enjoy its pacing actually. It makes it more mysterious and I'm fine with a drawn out story.
I'm not the biggest fan of how much Talk no justsu is used, but I'm also fine with ut because they've clearly shown its NOT always possible. Or that a clever opponent won't just take advantage of your mercy to come back later.
The lack of any real character development, an incredibly boring lead, repetitive plots and villains didn't do the reboot much in the way of favours. It was clearly leaning a lot on nostalgia and fanservice to carry it.
@@minicle426 My kids liked it plenty and I thought it was fun.
It may not have been as good as the original (even if the viduals are nicely upgraded) or Tamers, but it was still fun.
Easily better than 02 and personaly thinks its better than adventure. Ghost game feels deeper in character and stand alone episode
I have to agree with you, yes it is better in many reasons.
Agumon; Veemon; Guilmon; Gammamon ♡
Am I the only one that wants a Digimon Story game based on Ghodt game like the xros wars game on the ds but for switch?
Fusion Appmon Monsters
I do wish they would start to introduce Ultimates or at least the Macmuffin to evolve into Ultimate so we can see a possible timeline when it’ll happen cause if they don’t pick up the pace a little they’ll have to do so massively later on because they’re probably not going to get more than 50 episodes and the slow speed has it’s limitations when it comes to how many episodes a company is willing to give a show.
The requirement is a connection with two peoples?
GG is supposed to be horror based, so the protagonists aren’t really supposed to be in control of the situation most of the time
Them being proactive would make it too superhero-y
With Gulus only being Adult/champion level and yet already so damn strong and being a big central of the story, i feel the Ultimate evolutionis gonna be really made into big deal.
And with it being horror and mystery based with a lot of Digimon's power being taken more seriously, they also can't become too OP soon.
ghost game is decent but won't rewatch
the miniscule plot advancement is aggravating
ghost game is so slooowww lol I'm loving it but it isn't going anywhere. I want to see way more evoloutions and different digimon.
Huh, interesting.
I'm curious as they have slide champion forms weather or not their going to make use of jogress or just give them a ultimate/perfect digivolution
Also i didn't like how tamers ended as it felt lacking like there was going to be more of a fight than the d-reaper
I don’t think they’re going to be using special Digivolutions in this series since it’s not really their gimmick
@@pn2294 yh i know but from the digivolutions we've seen so far would it really be that out there considering partener swappings a thing in this series
Anyone seeing a war between humans and digimon in the future?
I'm surprised that the Digimon Adventure reboot series is getting an English dub.
More importantly I feel like Digimon GG is the most enjoyable to watch, whereas OG Adventure and 02 weren't always as entertaining, mainly because the OG cast is kind of annoying in the beginning and 02, while it remedies that, visually it looks probably the worse of any season. Adventure 2020 had the strength of individual episodes, but most of them being fights without proper balance really destroys half of that show, GG I feel like finally gets the middle ground of all, having good individual episode stories, good fights and the best animation and visuals of the series.
And what really shows how good GG is, it's how even with just the minimum storyline, it still manages to intrigue and keeps us hooked with any development it has, and how even when the show spent like, 5 episodes without anything major happening, I never felt any less compelled to watch, which is a sentiment I saw a lot of people having.
You're right! Even without an overarching story thread I'm still excited every week to see what Ghost Game has for me
Unfortunately not 34 episodes. We'd have the actual best dark digivolution.
To me ghost in ghost game and tamers the digidestined have been in the most danger ever
Gulusgammamon 👾👾😈😈
Comparisons and Contrast for Digimon series only work for me when they actually complete; once Ghost Game is actually done will I be able to decide if it surpassed or fell behind another series. As the video showed, each digimon series has its own pace where things pick up at some point but then they drop off later (depending on which series you look at). In case of Ghost Game against everyone else, I think it's plot is showing bits and parts as each episode goes on; the biggest concepts being the dark digimon, how humans could perceive digimon, Black Tailmon, and (maybe) potential human children and partner digimon. I think there is direction but I can admit it could be faster; had the Toei hack not happened maybe the next episode we were suppose to see was going to do something with thatl.
I am happy with how Ghost game is going because what story information we do get as well as the action that follows never failed to disappoint. I would say it will start to become a concern of the pacing however if the next few episodes roll around and nothing happens. Being drip fed information since it is a mystery series after all is fine but it boils down to how much the show is filling to stick around or willing to tell as the 20s-30s roll around as I'm afraid the show will start to get boring for many otherwise.
I really need to get into Digimon.
My top ranking for the first 20 episode are
1. Adventure
2. Zero Two
3. Ghost Game
4. Tamers
The show was designed to be MOW "one and done" and have little plot as said in interviews. I think it's an odd choice for a anime like this but who knows maybe this is what kids love now, for me it's so boring I like shows with an ongoing plot.
I am here for this comparison! ❤
2020 had a whole lot of whatever happen story-wise, and I'm afraid of Ghost Game meandering too much with the filler we had from 14-19. Especially Icy Hell, that one was awful. Glad to have 20 and 21 get us back on track. I'm okay with a mysterious slow burn, not completely sidelining the plot.
With the smaller cast, it'd be nice if it follow the Tamers example, Hiro and Gammamon really had a sort of Takato/Guilmon relationship in the first several episodes, but they don't get time to breath with all the pop up villains.
Nice job coming up with some filler content bro, honestly it didn't even feel like filler content to me. I like the comparison between seasons. A few years ago I actually watched the first 4 seasons out of order and I think it was because of a review from Billiam if memory serves. It's funny the timing it had because not long after that 2020 came out and I discovered your channel. Not really sure if I have a point to make here, just a bit of reminiscing I suppose.
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Oh sorry to hear that! :(
I mean I felt that ghost game had similar pacing to tamers given that it’s a trio and we didn’t have a big bad for the most part apart from Hypnos but I can also see how Tamers was still be developed. What I want from ghost game is for it to finally tackle some lore and more exposition about this version of the digital world, they almost need a Genai
Excluding nostalgia, i would put it above most Digimon series. Maybe not as high as 02, but it is definitely "top 5" (i don't bother about the ranking aspect). One it started picking up pace. The episodic aspect is a double edged sword, because it benefits children who just watch it and won't bother if they won't be bothered if they missed few episodes, on the other hand episodic shows can be annoying for other people. The characters have nice dynamics, they quirky and are fun and the show basically takes best aspects of applimon and applies to Digimon formula which is an absolute win.
If anything this kinda shows to me plot progression doesn’t equal quality. I haven’t seen adventure 2020 but I have recently rewatched the other 3 and foist game recently and I got a have the hot take that adventure and 02 haven’t aged that well despite a lot happening. Despite what problems ghost game has it’s a dang good show I am happy today But that’s just my take
Ghost Game feels like it wants to be long, like One Piece long lol it's super enjoyable but I'm afraid it will pull a Kingdom Hearts 3 and try to jam the entire plot into the home stretch.
Yeah that’s true in this video I assume this was the first “third” of the show implying it’ll have around 60 episodes, but we still don’t actually know if it will be longer than that
When I was a teenager, I didn't like tamers. Now I am 34 and I am looking to give tamers a chance. I loved how S1 and S2 transitioned into each other and showed the old crew aging. Then tri was the icing on the cake. My only gripe about ghost game was it didn't follow the destruction formula of Digimon. It was more so, don't do this again, I'm sorry and everyone lives happily ever after. Digimon 2020 was all over the place but I loved it. Thank you for uploading this take and watching Digimon has been my Sunday routine for a while.
Thank you, my sentiments exactly!
I like the more Anime, less Pokémon/cartoonish that is Ghost Game but they really need to stop with the overt childish episodes while promoting a more adult horror theme. I mean they ARE KILLING PEOPLE after all. And as far as i know, none of the other series has a body count which alone sets this apart from the rest.
Also they can spend much better time on character development especially Hiro (whome I find pretty one note)
My biggest issue is that there is in these first 21 episodes only a small handful of episodes that are interesting (only 4 or 5 to me worth rewatching) outside of those there isnt much to there keep fans vested in the series and I'll be honest, had it not been for episode 13 I wouldn't give the series a second glance.
Ghost game is way too episodic. It uses the same formula for every episodes. We don’t even get a real villain, just random bad digimon that got defeated immediately after their appearance