Jesse Powell and Kevin Zhou on How FTX and Alameda Lost $10 Billion - Ep. 423

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  • Kevin Zhou, cofounder of Galois Capital, and Jesse Powell, cofounder of Kraken, talk about why FTX collapsed, the warning signs, and whether it’s a catalyst for self-custodial adoption.
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    Show highlights:
    🔹 the root causes of the FTX collapse, according to Jesse and Kevin
    🔹 whether there were warning signs of all the risks that were to come
    🔹 the importance of learning from mistakes, even for new people in the space
    🔹 Kevin's response to the stuck funds in FTX
    🔹 the debate about utilitarianism and SBF's effective altruism
    🔹 whether the philosophy behind founders matter
    🔹 Kevin's and Jesse's theories of how FTX and Alameda lost billions of dollars
    🔹 how Alameda and FTX's books were commingled
    🔹 whether people will start using self-custodial wallets
    🔹 whether the fall of FTX vindicates BTC maximalism
    🔹 whether regulation has been beneficial or harmful for American customers
    🔹 the role of venture capital firms and their "mixed incentives"
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    Time Stamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:55 Causes of the FTX collapse
    04:33 Red flags
    09:19 Galois Capital's stuck funds
    12:19 Utilitarianism
    21:00 Missing money
    37:22 Accounting practices
    43:41 Consequences
    50:50 Bitcoiners
    54:44 Regulation
    1:04:25 Venture capital firms
    1:08:00 The role of media
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ความคิดเห็น • 57

  • @scottgreen132
    @scottgreen132 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Really appreciate this high quality coverage. Great discussion.

  • @packageism
    @packageism ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had some ethereum on kraken. A few days after FTX saga I moved it off the exchange right away. Good to hear Jessies comments in this regard.

  • @quadq6598
    @quadq6598 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent content again, thanks so much.

  • @steverobinson8771
    @steverobinson8771 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another fantastic episode guys... this Engineering student is now firmly interested in philosophy. Big fan of both Jesse and Kevin. Onwards and upwards!

  • @bearwolffish
    @bearwolffish ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great show, wonderful guests.

  • @mannysingh4715
    @mannysingh4715 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Laura is just amazing interviewer

  • @PlanetFrosty
    @PlanetFrosty ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very good show. Kevin sounded much different than prior to the merge. He’s a very bright guy, but I think over confidence may have clouded judgement. Jesse, certainly impressed me taking morals seriously. While I deal with BTC and Lightning only, usefulness of other crypto is being figured out. Sharding does break DeFi technically and I think another solution should be sought. I see many roadblocks right now, but they could be solved.

    • @apyfarmer4090
      @apyfarmer4090 ปีที่แล้ว

      get a try of digging into Curve, convex, concentrator protocols.

  • @dz5483
    @dz5483 ปีที่แล้ว

    Laura is absolutely awesome, thanks for the content

  • @davidbarker1221
    @davidbarker1221 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great interview until... Laura tries to explain NYT FTX article. 🤣

  • @user-wr4yl7tx3w
    @user-wr4yl7tx3w ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in general, what is bothersome is that those who are criticizing FTX today did not do so before the collapse, especially those who speak with such confidence today.

  • @real_Gi
    @real_Gi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great uploads Laura.

  • @TommyDJr45
    @TommyDJr45 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kevin had Laura on the ropes with that one question lol She knows the truth lol

  • @IamPotato_007
    @IamPotato_007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3 long haired humans talking sense (not long hair but longer than usual )

  • @jaykay2025
    @jaykay2025 ปีที่แล้ว

    decentralized exchanges matters in this space. not the character of a centralized exchange.

  • @packageism
    @packageism ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent chat. Kevin is a real bright spark isn't he. Jesse looks a bit like a Byron bay hippy but thats ok. He wants to keep his head warm.

  • @orca.digital
    @orca.digital ปีที่แล้ว

    pls nix the ads at some point for the good of the people.

  • @imstanley34
    @imstanley34 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Laura wants to say yall didnt pay enuff lol

  • @alexhubble
    @alexhubble 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    57:30 - asking the regulators why they aren't going after the guys off shore? Then they turn you down. And you wonder why. Even the slightest knowledge of.... fuck it no, if you can't work it...

  • @nutrino75
    @nutrino75 ปีที่แล้ว

    audio lag

  • @urvishpatel3603
    @urvishpatel3603 ปีที่แล้ว

    THis people were his partner for podcast...dont forget that...some of them given money to SBF to trade for them...let that sink in...they shillle what they want to sell you....

  • @ticani2
    @ticani2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This should be played at the trial.Kevin’s IQ seems quite high

  • @Kawiboy
    @Kawiboy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry.. Not feeling for Kevin one bit.. TY Laura

  • @ayetteyhadjor8834
    @ayetteyhadjor8834 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ok guys, you talk the talk but how about getting rid of shit like ADA and call out Charles Hoskinson’s endless lies, dumping coins on retailers. If you don’t stop this, you are no better than all those bad actors but to a lower degree!

    • @shud7101
      @shud7101 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @stoopidnametag
      @stoopidnametag ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds like you’re better suited to call this out. Why don’t you build a major platform and convey that message yourself?

  • @mummyjude4810
    @mummyjude4810 ปีที่แล้ว

    Market cycle still hasn't met its balance,

  • @itsme-le1bg
    @itsme-le1bg ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I learned a big lesson from Jesse and Kraken - Not your keys not your coins. . They locked my account for a few months, never responded to any communication, never said why. After I filed fraud claims and criminal warnings with several govt agencies they contacted me and told me I had 3 days to move my crypto before they closed my account. I know all along why they did it but they never said a word. Jesse is full of sh…t. If everyone took their coins off his exchange - much less trading - much less fees.

    • @BigBrolls
      @BigBrolls ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bullshit. If they really did freeze your account for a few months they probably had a good reason to do it that you're not (conveniently) disclosing. What's this reason for doing it that you knew all along?

    • @BigBrolls
      @BigBrolls ปีที่แล้ว

      answer the fucking question

    • @itsme-le1bg
      @itsme-le1bg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigBrolls I changed my address from India where i live to US where I'm a citizen. gave them all the docs and followed all their instructions. approved then 2 days later locked out. If they had a good reason why didn't they tell me and give me a chance to fix the problem. chill out knowitall

    • @petercofrancesco9812
      @petercofrancesco9812 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@itsme-le1bg I'll just say that in the US because of regulation and KYC you can get you account locked. When I first got into crypto I didn't understand the distinction between Binance and Binance US. Binance allowed me to open an account and when I tried to fund it my bank permanently locked my account with no warning. There are a lot of scammers and bad actors out there, that's why they have these safe guards in place. You got lumped in with the rest of those people because you trigger a red flag.

  • @stephen6328
    @stephen6328 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Kevin zhou was one of the main grifters behind the EthW fork, he’s as bad as Sam and should go down with the ship

    • @jonashey4618
      @jonashey4618 ปีที่แล้ว

      What? Why is he as bad as sam? Are you mentally disabled?

    • @Tm-ev6jm
      @Tm-ev6jm ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He overhyped the ethw risks sure but who did he scam? Saying he’s as bad as Sam is redacted

    • @PlanetFrosty
      @PlanetFrosty ปีที่แล้ว

      He was playing both sides of the trade and no different short sellers.

  • @jkryptos
    @jkryptos ปีที่แล้ว

    And yet you still shill links for centralised exchanges for your sponsorship. Time to review your sponsors, Laura. You're part of the problem.

  • @vadimcheckorsky600
    @vadimcheckorsky600 ปีที่แล้ว

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