I will repost what I had posted to another video on the topic, since this video did include a number of questions related to the value of Fugue from the perspective of a FF player: Just to help anyone that has Firefly regarding making the decision on this, here are some of my calcs from my spreadsheet. FWIW, when I input my team into my spreadsheet, the in-game numbers roughly match up with my calculations, so my formulas appear correct. Assumptions: HMC Team - FF at 504% Break Effect (number taken directly from my in game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 369% Break Effect (needed for Ruan Mei Talent DMG calc), 1 Enemy = +60% Super Break DMG multiplier, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF (my testing indicated that this was consistently the number of attacks that could be fit before Svarog recovered), E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E6[S5 Memories] HMC. Yes, I am aware that DDD may be slightly better, but it introduces a lot of complications to the calc that are difficult to address in a spreadsheet. Fugue Team - FF at 456% Break Effect (again, taken directly from my in-game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 292% Break Effect, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF, E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue HMC Super Break DMG = 219,543 DMG Fugue Super Break DMG = 159,082 DMG FF Super Break (HMC Team) DMG = 68,607 DMG FF Super Break (Fugue Team) DMG = 79,541 DMG FF (HMC Team) Weakness Break DMG = 167,444 DMG FF (Fugue Team) Weakness Break DMG = 189,854 DMG (x2) Ruan Mei Talent (HMC Team) DMG = 61,639 DMG Ruan Mei Talent (Fugue Team) DMG = 62,971 DMG (x2) Total DMG HMC-FF at E0S1 FF = (219,543 * 3) + (68,607 * 3) + (167,444) + (61,639) = 1,093,533 DMG Total DMG Fugue-FF at E0S1 FF = (159,082 * 3) + (79,541*3) + (189,854 * 2) + (62,971 * 2) = 1,221,519 DMG Total DMG HMC-FF at E2S1 FF = (241,952 * 4) + (75,610 * 4) + (182,952) + (61,639) = 1,514,839 DMG Total DMG Fugue-FF at E2S1 FF = (180,207 * 4) + (90,104 * 4) + (212,110 * 2) + (62,971* 2) = 1,631,406 DMG With E0S1 Firefly, Fugue is still a DMG upgrade in these calcs by around 127,986 DMG, which is a roughly 11.7% DMG upgrade. It is technically slightly less of an upgrade for E2 FF in terms of pure damage, at 116,567 DMG (7.7% DMG upgrade), but Exo-Toughness is a massive QOL improvement for E2 FF as it makes it much, much easier to trigger the Extra Turn and will probably work out to be a much bigger upgrade in practice considering the extra turns that might have been missed without Exo-Toughness. Also, the above calculations assume the full +60% Super Break modifier for HMC, which means 1 enemy. If you are against more than 1 enemy for any of the attacks, then the numbers turn even more in favor of Fugue. I did a quick simulation to try to account for S5 DDD on HMC, but it is difficult to consistently translate that into an additional FF attack during the Boss Break rotation. It depends too much on the starting Action Value, HMC energy rotation and other factors. In my practical test in-game, the rotation did not line up to allow the DDD trigger to actually push forward FF enough to get an extra turn out of it before Svarog recovered. IF you can manage to leverage DDD into an additional FF attack, then S5 DDD HMC has a 8.9% advantage over E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue. But in the cases where you cannot leverage DDD into an extra attack (which was the case in the Svarog test run I attempted), then S5 DDD HMC is 15.1% worse than Fugue. In a longer fight that is perhaps taking multiple cycles, DDD might start to show more value as you are able to activate it more. That does not even account for other benefits to Fugue like the flexibility of Foxian Prayer to help other units contribute toughness damage off element. Now, is the above worth the pulls? Debatable. It's not a huge upgrade in raw DMG for Firefly. But, it is NOT a DMG loss like some people might try to convince you. I also did scale down the Break Effect numbers to simulate lower investment and the numbers still work out to be pretty similar. For example, a Firefly that is at 400% Break Effect in Battle with HMC vs 360% Break Effect in Battle with Fugue, with Ruan Mei down to 250% BE and 200% BE respectively, still works out to a roughly 12% DMG advantage for Fugue, so basically the same as my other calcs. Edit - Also, if people want more calcs, I can probably provide them upon request. Edit 2 - Forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break Trigger, lol. Fixed above.
That is insane, thanks for the information man i was gonna pull for fugue for my e0s0 FF but now i feel like i'd rather just wait for summoner units and ditch my superbreak team since i havent invested a single damn thing into it
@@clive... If you have almost no investment in the team (E0S0 FF. Perhaps E0S0 Ruan Mei), then that means you haven't pulled anything for the team since 2.3. It is kinda reasonable to just start making plans to maybe start focusing on a different team. I'm not sure if you grabbed Sunday, or what else you have picked up on your account. I will say that The Herta is pretty spicy, and a good pickup for future investment.
@@AdamRoe-e3n i did grab aventurine and sunday so i am ready for whoever it is next in line, maybe pulling both the herta and robin next patch or maybe even getting jade as well. I hope im lucky enough with 200 pulls lmao, anyways for the herta team im thinking about the herta, aventurine, and robin and if i dont get jade then is there a recommended f2p alternative for jade?
@@clive... Yeah, 2 cost for a team that has probably served you well for 6 months? Also, it isn't like it will be non-viable. Against content where Break is good, the team will still be good. You just may use another team a bit more often.
Because pulling for any 4* is a tragedy. Tried pulling for Fugue's lightcone, hoped that even If I don't get it I may get Resolution S5, spent 60 pulls, lost the 75/25 and got a single Resolution lightcone.
E0s0 fugue with lvl 60 tutorial lc and lvl 7(all) traces gives me extra 200+ dmg After maxing out (101% ehr, 154% Be and 151 spd) the dmg for e0s1 ff is around 800-900k for me But i recommend getting either e1 fugue or e1 ff because sp negative and break efficiency
Should I invest more into super break and get eidolons for Fugue and FF or try and build up my Acheron team or get Feixao for a follow up team? I already have Bobin and Aventurine so Im not sure
@@todaysoxygenisokay1315 I would say save for summon and erudition dmg dealers now because next update heavily leans on aoe, if you have aventurine and acheron and fugue those three should sweep next patch pretty easily but if you want to use break team Firefly team in general you need e1 fugue no need for signature or e1/e2 ff because sp issue and extra turn , if u have this all content will be comfortable for you. Feixiao idk about her but she is still going to be strong next patch if u like her and have build March or moze u should be good to go
@@todaysoxygenisokay1315 It took me 6 cycles for E0S0 Feixiao, E0S0 Robin, E2 Moze, E0S0 Aventurine with decent relics this MoC12 first side. I don't know if Feixiao would be smart on the 3.0 Re-run, unless you really like her. Personally I think Herta is a best choice in 3 weeks, and Aglae second best, if you have Huohuo it makes both of them sound even better. I was able to clear PF4, AC4, MoC12 (work in progress, my Level 50 Fugue keeps dying lol) without Eidolons and with roughly 2-3 cost per team. I wouldn't recommend Eidolons, unless it's Firefly E1/E2 because they open up now game-play styles. Stat sticks Eidolons are kinda meh.
@@IgnasV I needed to hear this cause I'm tryig to decide whether to invest in Acheron with Jiaoqiu or further into FuA with e1 robin, e0 fei, or s1 ratio
@@IgnasV I don't have Huohuo sadly, the only thing stopping me from getting Herta is I don't have anyone built that can work with her, and I don't have Jade, and I got almost no relic enhancement materials to build her, so I feel like I'm kinda and of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
1.0 characters get better with more releases, actually. While their multipliers don't change, being able to exploit new mechanics and buffs makes them better, and generally they can still clear endgame (and sometimes with flying colors)
Kinda suck you choose the person that bring out the least potential out of fugue. Even himeko or xuyei would have been a better pick since the only different FF get is e2 but that doesnt change much from there. (and some bonus exo toughness damage obvious) Not trying to hate here im just saying the truth, firefly mechanic is way too generic and doesnt really get amplified much by her
He chose it because it is what MOST people have and want to know if it is good with. If it works well with Firefly, it works well with the rest for sure.
She gets the last amount of buffs directly, but her team buff is massive. She allows you to use the skill on Lingsha and have zero downsides, so you actually get twice the DMG potential. Can't do the same with Grappa or Foothill. Unless you really go for E6 Fugue
Boothill can't use her full potential either. How is he gonna do dmg when everyone and their mother are stealing his breaks? Guess Firefly is the one bringing her full potential ;)
Fugue makes firefly the 2004 killdozer, no wonder why it's the best break DPS
Every content for her is now a joke, and always has been
0:17 why he yell at me :(
That fking caught me off guard 😂
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I will repost what I had posted to another video on the topic, since this video did include a number of questions related to the value of Fugue from the perspective of a FF player:
Just to help anyone that has Firefly regarding making the decision on this, here are some of my calcs from my spreadsheet. FWIW, when I input my team into my spreadsheet, the in-game numbers roughly match up with my calculations, so my formulas appear correct.
Assumptions:
HMC Team - FF at 504% Break Effect (number taken directly from my in game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 369% Break Effect (needed for Ruan Mei Talent DMG calc), 1 Enemy = +60% Super Break DMG multiplier, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF (my testing indicated that this was consistently the number of attacks that could be fit before Svarog recovered), E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E6[S5 Memories] HMC. Yes, I am aware that DDD may be slightly better, but it introduces a lot of complications to the calc that are difficult to address in a spreadsheet.
Fugue Team - FF at 456% Break Effect (again, taken directly from my in-game FF with all buffs active), Ruan Mei at 292% Break Effect, Boss = Svarog with 140 Toughness (2.7 MoC Side 1), 4 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E2 FF or 3 Super Break Attacks per Boss Break at E0 FF, E0S1 FF + E0S1 Ruan Mei + E0S0 Lingsha + E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue
HMC Super Break DMG = 219,543 DMG
Fugue Super Break DMG = 159,082 DMG
FF Super Break (HMC Team) DMG = 68,607 DMG
FF Super Break (Fugue Team) DMG = 79,541 DMG
FF (HMC Team) Weakness Break DMG = 167,444 DMG
FF (Fugue Team) Weakness Break DMG = 189,854 DMG (x2)
Ruan Mei Talent (HMC Team) DMG = 61,639 DMG
Ruan Mei Talent (Fugue Team) DMG = 62,971 DMG (x2)
Total DMG HMC-FF at E0S1 FF = (219,543 * 3) + (68,607 * 3) + (167,444) + (61,639) = 1,093,533 DMG
Total DMG Fugue-FF at E0S1 FF = (159,082 * 3) + (79,541*3) + (189,854 * 2) + (62,971 * 2) = 1,221,519 DMG
Total DMG HMC-FF at E2S1 FF = (241,952 * 4) + (75,610 * 4) + (182,952) + (61,639) = 1,514,839 DMG
Total DMG Fugue-FF at E2S1 FF = (180,207 * 4) + (90,104 * 4) + (212,110 * 2) + (62,971* 2) = 1,631,406 DMG
With E0S1 Firefly, Fugue is still a DMG upgrade in these calcs by around 127,986 DMG, which is a roughly 11.7% DMG upgrade. It is technically slightly less of an upgrade for E2 FF in terms of pure damage, at 116,567 DMG (7.7% DMG upgrade), but Exo-Toughness is a massive QOL improvement for E2 FF as it makes it much, much easier to trigger the Extra Turn and will probably work out to be a much bigger upgrade in practice considering the extra turns that might have been missed without Exo-Toughness. Also, the above calculations assume the full +60% Super Break modifier for HMC, which means 1 enemy. If you are against more than 1 enemy for any of the attacks, then the numbers turn even more in favor of Fugue.
I did a quick simulation to try to account for S5 DDD on HMC, but it is difficult to consistently translate that into an additional FF attack during the Boss Break rotation. It depends too much on the starting Action Value, HMC energy rotation and other factors. In my practical test in-game, the rotation did not line up to allow the DDD trigger to actually push forward FF enough to get an extra turn out of it before Svarog recovered. IF you can manage to leverage DDD into an additional FF attack, then S5 DDD HMC has a 8.9% advantage over E0[S5 Resolution] Fugue. But in the cases where you cannot leverage DDD into an extra attack (which was the case in the Svarog test run I attempted), then S5 DDD HMC is 15.1% worse than Fugue. In a longer fight that is perhaps taking multiple cycles, DDD might start to show more value as you are able to activate it more.
That does not even account for other benefits to Fugue like the flexibility of Foxian Prayer to help other units contribute toughness damage off element. Now, is the above worth the pulls? Debatable. It's not a huge upgrade in raw DMG for Firefly. But, it is NOT a DMG loss like some people might try to convince you. I also did scale down the Break Effect numbers to simulate lower investment and the numbers still work out to be pretty similar. For example, a Firefly that is at 400% Break Effect in Battle with HMC vs 360% Break Effect in Battle with Fugue, with Ruan Mei down to 250% BE and 200% BE respectively, still works out to a roughly 12% DMG advantage for Fugue, so basically the same as my other calcs.
Edit - Also, if people want more calcs, I can probably provide them upon request.
Edit 2 - Forgot about Firefly's Personal Super Break Trigger, lol. Fixed above.
That is insane, thanks for the information man i was gonna pull for fugue for my e0s0 FF but now i feel like i'd rather just wait for summoner units and ditch my superbreak team since i havent invested a single damn thing into it
@@clive... If you have almost no investment in the team (E0S0 FF. Perhaps E0S0 Ruan Mei), then that means you haven't pulled anything for the team since 2.3. It is kinda reasonable to just start making plans to maybe start focusing on a different team. I'm not sure if you grabbed Sunday, or what else you have picked up on your account. I will say that The Herta is pretty spicy, and a good pickup for future investment.
@@AdamRoe-e3n i did grab aventurine and sunday so i am ready for whoever it is next in line, maybe pulling both the herta and robin next patch or maybe even getting jade as well. I hope im lucky enough with 200 pulls lmao, anyways for the herta team im thinking about the herta, aventurine, and robin and if i dont get jade then is there a recommended f2p alternative for jade?
@@AdamRoe-e3n btw you are 100% correct, i only grabbed 2 cost for that team (e0s0 FF and e0s0 Rm)
@@clive... Yeah, 2 cost for a team that has probably served you well for 6 months? Also, it isn't like it will be non-viable. Against content where Break is good, the team will still be good. You just may use another team a bit more often.
Why I think pulling a e2 would be more cost effective than pulling s5 ddd from scratch
Because pulling for any 4* is a tragedy.
Tried pulling for Fugue's lightcone, hoped that even If I don't get it I may get Resolution S5, spent 60 pulls, lost the 75/25 and got a single Resolution lightcone.
Firefly? I sleep
Boothill? Real shit
bootycheeks is so useless, he can't do shit against pure fiction, let alone the 5 tv boss
Friendly reminder with E6 firefly, E1 Fugue, and Ruan Mei, firefly has 200% break efficiency :3
fugue, peg me
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you gonna be pegged by venom not her
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E0s0 fugue with lvl 60 tutorial lc and lvl 7(all) traces gives me extra 200+ dmg
After maxing out (101% ehr, 154% Be and 151 spd) the dmg for e0s1 ff is around 800-900k for me
But i recommend getting either e1 fugue or e1 ff because sp negative and break efficiency
Should I invest more into super break and get eidolons for Fugue and FF or try and build up my Acheron team or get Feixao for a follow up team? I already have Bobin and Aventurine so Im not sure
@@todaysoxygenisokay1315 I would say save for summon and erudition dmg dealers now because next update heavily leans on aoe, if you have aventurine and acheron and fugue those three should sweep next patch pretty easily but if you want to use break team
Firefly team in general you need e1 fugue no need for signature or e1/e2 ff because sp issue and extra turn , if u have this all content will be comfortable for you.
Feixiao idk about her but she is still going to be strong next patch if u like her and have build March or moze u should be good to go
@@todaysoxygenisokay1315 It took me 6 cycles for E0S0 Feixiao, E0S0 Robin, E2 Moze, E0S0 Aventurine with decent relics this MoC12 first side. I don't know if Feixiao would be smart on the 3.0 Re-run, unless you really like her. Personally I think Herta is a best choice in 3 weeks, and Aglae second best, if you have Huohuo it makes both of them sound even better.
I was able to clear PF4, AC4, MoC12 (work in progress, my Level 50 Fugue keeps dying lol) without Eidolons and with roughly 2-3 cost per team. I wouldn't recommend Eidolons, unless it's Firefly E1/E2 because they open up now game-play styles. Stat sticks Eidolons are kinda meh.
@@IgnasV I needed to hear this cause I'm tryig to decide whether to invest in Acheron with Jiaoqiu or further into FuA with e1 robin, e0 fei, or s1 ratio
@@IgnasV I don't have Huohuo sadly, the only thing stopping me from getting Herta is I don't have anyone built that can work with her, and I don't have Jade, and I got almost no relic enhancement materials to build her, so I feel like I'm kinda and of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
With every new character and mechanic coming out, 1.0 characters die a little more inside
Funny for you to say this when himeko got her biggest buff ever with fugue's release
@ true tho, true. But also my himeko is in the box in my account's back pocket with Herta only to be used for pure fiction
1.0 characters get better with more releases, actually. While their multipliers don't change, being able to exploit new mechanics and buffs makes them better, and generally they can still clear endgame (and sometimes with flying colors)
Jin yuan and himeko🧐
1.x are eating well with 2.7 tho, Jing Yuan Xueyi Himeko Argenti DHIL got big upgrades
You remind me of the deer from open season
😭 someone make him see this comment lmao
Kinda suck you choose the person that bring out the least potential out of fugue. Even himeko or xuyei would have been a better pick since the only different FF get is e2 but that doesnt change much from there. (and some bonus exo toughness damage obvious)
Not trying to hate here im just saying the truth, firefly mechanic is way too generic and doesnt really get amplified much by her
And his e6 test sucks. No Lingsha in the team. E6 allows a triple dps break team with FF / Fugue / Lingsha.
He chose it because it is what MOST people have and want to know if it is good with. If it works well with Firefly, it works well with the rest for sure.
@@jade7631 yeah but hes using e6 fugue so like?
@@jade7631also I think out of the 4 break dps firefly is the most consistent
She gets the last amount of buffs directly, but her team buff is massive. She allows you to use the skill on Lingsha and have zero downsides, so you actually get twice the DMG potential. Can't do the same with Grappa or Foothill. Unless you really go for E6 Fugue
E6 fugue with bailu :3
why tf would you use e6 firefly testing
What most people have
He tests on the same acc for every character. If he’s already done an e0 vs e6 ff guide he can’t just turn off the eidolons
He said in the video...he's looking at the % increase, and assuming that E0S0 would see a similar damage increase.
Imagine not having E6 Baefly
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E6 fugue for dual break dps ofc
Power of friendship ahh team 😂
E1 Firefly, S1 Rappa, E6 Hmc, E6 Fugue
Ngl, this looks fun to play, just oblitates everything at 5 targets
@@MrJceOfficialLingsha is the second dps, not Rappa, and you play RM ofc...
Dual break? You mean, everyone in the team is now Firefly 😂
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should have tried her with boothill instead, fileflop can't bring up her full potential🙃
Boothill can't use her full potential either. How is he gonna do dmg when everyone and their mother are stealing his breaks? Guess Firefly is the one bringing her full potential ;)
@Raikos100 why would others steal his break? Thats a skill issue on your part bro. I have never had that happen and I am a boothill main since day 1
@@hyunitsu5no one uses boothill bcs he lame (fell off in 3.0 btw)
@@zxcentsensei.sunder lol let's see about that
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Can someone please clarify whether Ruan Mei or Fugue is better for Firefly E2S0, I''m really unsure
fugue, the exo toughness benifits E2 alot, but its better to run fugue + ruan mei + firefly all at the same team
@@hyunitsu5 appreciate your answer, thank you
If you are going for the e1 on fugue then she will be better
@@Ayush-kc2vx she is better even without E1 because its E2 firefly not E0. if she was an E0 firefly then i would agree with you
@@hyunitsu5 ho for some reason i didn't read that his firefly is e2🫥. Ya then even an e0 fugue will be better than ruan mei for her
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Skippa the moment she gets dismantled by aventurine boss:
@@zxcentsensei.sunder not the firefly simps jumping me😭😭💔
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