Top 7 Digital Painting Mistakes
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Are you a sinner? Which of these mistakes do you make? What mistakes did we miss?
@@VoiceofAltdorf You all need to learn how to spell.
@Kallie-Chan XD You should learn to spell too.
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I sometimes steal colors
I use airbrush to soft some shadows (after I used the hard edge one)
I use the default brushes
I don't know anything about traditional painting
Those are my sins
Oh man... This video can lead to some missinterpretation.
1- You don't need to get into oil watercolor or acrilics to start and develop a strong style in digital.
2- You can do an entire semi finished artwork with 2 or 3 brushes. Usually you start playing around with them at the final steps when 95% of the piece is done to add texture and variations.
Finally someone pointed that out! I think he meant starting w/ pencil and paper first. You can always buy cheaper medium like acrylic and gouache, canson water paper ain't expensive, too
ahhhhhhh this is so lovely tool i need it yess
Agreed, I'm good with watercolors and acrylics but they don't help me with digital, if anything, it makes me understand digital less because I'm using a technique which looks bad in digital. Also a painting with too many different textures would end up looking pretty odd imo
Same lol. I only use 2 brushes to make value and color then just mess up the rest by blending 90 brushes lol
I thought I was the only one who thought that. When he said it's best to start with oils and acrylics and what not before digital, I was like nah. I'm proficient at drawing and shading. I want to get into digital but I don't see the point in starting in traditional paint before beginning digital.
I have to admit that this is probably the first Proko video that I actually didn't like. As I admire undeniable skill and experience of the artist, the tips themselves feel very subjective and focused on minor flaws. It feels like you need to use wacom, photoshop and lots of different brushes and stuff to create, which don't feel right. As traditional media can have great impact on skills and teach a lot, it's still quite ok for me to do them separately. Lots of beginners get distracted with a ton of brushes thinking it can make a change, while you can get everything with any single brush if you know the fundamentals. Instead of avoiding monotony in something as minor as brush choice maybe one should try other things and topics to draw, different approaches. Adding light and shadow with pure black and white, or trying to color without understanding values feels quite more important than doing most of these sins. This video just seems to force one way of drawing, slightly depreciating others. It's probably just my personal feeling about it, but I still think Proko can be better than that...
Agree with the airbrush thing though.
They're sponsored by wacom so it's not really surprising that they have to talk about how great it is. Aaron Blaise had to do the exact same thing for many years and plug them in every video. Like everyone hardcore shilling skillshare now even though it's a garbage website nobody even uses including the person sponsored by skillshare themselves. Anyone expecting a sponsored channel to give a non biased about opinion about that product is a bit silly.
Dogar Doogin if wacom sponsored me id be kissing their ass everyday too man.
I disagree with you. These are the things most artists should know. Like atleast have some kind of IRL painting knowledge when your digital painting, and yea you can try to use one brush for different kinds of textures but why? Why put yourself through that pain when you can just get another one thats get the texture you need and you can work 3x faster?
Hes saying these things because young artists need to hear it. Airbrush will not save you, nor will blatantly eyedropping colors from a photo hep you.
This is a video with the mistakes of beginners in digital painting. Not a video with a specific topic like color, value... Proko already have videos for this topics.
@@dogardoogin6201 Yes, but Aaron really loves WACOM and would recommend it, anyways
One artist will follow these tips and have great success. Another artist will follow these tips and ruin his art.
The artist who ruins his art with this info is the one who's watching with their brain off
@@kdvr766 I guess I'm brain dead then
@@slackjawedpenguin3306 your word not mine😶
Tips are just tips, they don't work on everyone
The one that might ruin his art - will learn over his mistakes and create a great art :)
I fundamentally disagree with the notion that you have to be a good painter to be a good digital painter. That's like saying "Okay, but they haven't really experienced true ink unless they've made a wood print”. People absolutely, 100% can become an excellent digital painter without any prior experience with painting, and saying otherwise is demonstrably incorrect, and harmful for artists who want to get into digital painting.
Of course it's possible to become a good digital painter without touching traditional materials. But those that are experienced with traditional paints first have a MUCH smoother time learning to paint digitally. And their digital paintings look more like traditional ones. My hope with this video is to make it easier and less frustrating for artists to become fluent with digital paint.
@@CourtJones That's fair. Sorry if I jumped at that, I've had some experiences in the past with anti-digitalists.
Of course people who had practice traditional painting would be better at digital painting than people who didn't have any experience - because they've already have hours and hours of practice. Spending same hours practicing digital, studying same color theory and just gaining experience - and suddenly there is no difference in skill level.
And I don't think that "looking more like traditional paintings" is inherently a good thing, nor is it a bad thing either. It's just a stylistic preference.
@@CourtJonesBut DIGITAL paintings definitely do not have to look like TRADITIONAL ones. That's preference and style. That's why many people are interested in digital painting. There are just things you can achieve with digital that you can't with traditional.
@@piguu7226 like what? You can virtually achieve everything with any media.
Sin -> Zooming in and working on details before the piece is fleshed out!
Guilty asf sometimes
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I would add three other pieces of advice for relatively new digital artists:
1. Don't zoom in too close to your painting until the whole canvas is covered in colour. Even towards the end as you start to zoom in more, keep zooming out to check the whole image is still cohesive. Far too often beginner artsts create too much contrast in small details and spoil the effect of the whole.
2. Use the biggest brush you can to do the job. This is a tip stolen from traditional painting, but it applies to digital too. Often in the pursuit of precision, artists will use a very small brush to try to cover a large area. This creates a scratchy, rough, and distinctly ameteur look.
3. Don't paint your shadows black and your highlights white, or use the burn/dodge tool for shading. This comes down to learning a bit about colour theory and what is called hue shifting. Essentially, your shadows and highlights should differ not just in value, but in hue too, or else your whole painting will look lifeless. For example, with a warm source of light the highlights may lean more towards yellow, while the shadows are more blue-ish.
Using small brushes for everything is another big one I see a lot.
Im a sinner
Yup, I have to constantly remind myself to keep my brushes an appropriate size.
or the opposite
I use three sizes: reeeeally big, 5 px and 2 px xD
The point about traditional media is just wrong. You say that when people paint on canvas they develop taste and style but the same happens when you paint digitally. Digital, traditional... these are just media. A good artist can make a good drawing with a stick on sand beacause they mastered fundamendals that are aplicable to any medium. Sure, you have to learn how to use your tools, things will be different when you use watercolours, or pencils, or an ipad but the same fundamentals of colour, light, value, anatomy etc. apply. Please, don't join this ridiculous discussion on which medium is more superior. You can develop your style and sensibility drawing digitally and your digital art is not good because it looks like traditional art.
I liked the points about carelessness, soft brushes or backgrounds. These were simple and practical tips on really common problems. Experimenting with brushes is also good but it can be overwhelming to beginners who often think that a good brush will make their art look good. This is why it is often recommended to use those default basic brushes before jumping to the more fancy ones. Th colour picker tool is just a tool, the trick is to learn how to use it properly.
mevaa totaly agree. Was just about to say this. There are a ton of great examples of artists that have learned and developed a style digitaly.
I couldn't agree more with this, especially the part about drawing with a stick in the sand!
THANK YOU.
I have to disagree when it comes to painting traditionally. When using real paint you have to think a lot harder when mixing colours. With digital you are instantly granted an all you can eat buffet of colours and an amateur will have a lot more difficulty choosing warm and cool colours because they didn’t have to mix dabs of red and yellow in big glob of white to get a highlight for skin colour. Painting traditional is incredibly useful and when switching to digital it will make an EXPERIENCED artist’s job much faster.
@@borat5225 TBH you just sound like an old man talking about walking to school uphill both ways. It being easier is not a bad thing.
There are way too many exceptions to these rules, and I fear new artists will take them as gospel.
For instance, colour picking can be really helpful in figuring out what is happening with light.
I agree but I think don’t think he means doing them in general. I think he means over relying on them
also many professionals will suggest the most basic default brushes 'cos can do everything you need and you should avoid custom brushes early on
WinterinBerlin exactly. I am a working professional and use mostly the default round and default airbrush. Getting too distracted by fancy brushes is a classic trap to fall into.
Color picking usually fails, because the skin reflects many colors and you are just picking one out of the many pixels of colors.
@@zeleony05 I understand that the noise/artifacts in a jpg may lead to odd colour picks that aren't representative of a larger colour trend. But my point is that many beginners don't realise there are sometimes unexpected colours in skin in the first place.
Colour picking helps to prove to an artist that skin can sometimes have olive greens, purples, maroons or any number of colours (dependent on lighting conditions) that aren't just beige/brown + black.
Completely disagree with #5. It's COMPLETELY FINE to start digitally. It's cheaper (free/low cost programms can be as good as "professional" ones and there are decent tablets even under 200$, to paint traditionally you need to spend A LOT of money to buy decent art supplies) and cleaner. There is no difference in developing your style digitally or traditionally. It is easier to go from traditional to digital, but if a person want to draw only digitally there aren't any drawbacks. There even benefits: not wasting time adapting to digital, not feeling frustration from seeing how half of the skills are useless now and you have to learn painting basicly from the square one.
Also, about #6. Depends on the style. Default brushes are VERY useful for the begginers. They might be not as fancy as custom ones, but they get the job done.
Really? Cheaper than a pencil and a paper? I want to order a pc from where you usually buy dude
@@adel616 I think he is talking about painting, not drawing, like water color and oil painting which can be very expensive if you do not know what to buy, or want to buy something decent. For example a friend of mine do traditional art, her supplies are quite expensive. If you want to learn how.to draw just a Pencil and Paper will be just ok, but to painting that's a hole different story. And a PC is.useful for more things than doing art, I believe you don't need a high-end PC to do digital art, mine is from 2011 and I use with a wacom intuos just fine with Sketchbook, which is free now, since my PC I use for many things the only stuff I bought for art was the wacom that was worth R$250 that is roughly US$55 .
@@rodrigobhering7340 Think about the the cost of one Copic Marker $10 , 128 colors $1280.... and they dried up and used up in several months...but computer + wacom ~ $1000 and last for a few years.
Bullshit on the cost you can buy a set of liquid water color tubes and dry them out and that will last you freaking forever. It'll be months maybe even a year before you need to replace a tube based on how much you like a color and how frequently you paint. Depending on the quality of pant, paper and brushes your looking at least $30-40 to get yourself started (the water colors set themselves cost maybe $10-12). Compared to a couple of hundred dollars on a PC/tablet and art program
@@gabrielli3354 the reason why Copics are so expensive is because they are refillable. The refill packs cost like $3 and the pack can be used 3 times so it's a Dollar a refill.
The $10marker is supposed to be a one time buy and refillable for life.
Like I'm not saying it's cheap but replacing a marker every time it dries out makes Copics 90% more expensive then it needs to be.
For many of these you could find a top artist who does it, and has great success with it. I would take this advice with a pinch of salt.
Not sure if you stayed for the end of the video, but I mention some artists can get away with doing these things occasionally. There are no rules in art that are always true in every circumstance. But they are the habits I see most often in my students that kill their paintings.
@@CourtJones Hey Court! I have to admit I missed the caveat you added at the end. I think it's really important to emphasize that point, because people will internalize these ideas as if they're absolute and that can be limiting and difficult to break out of. This is something Craig Mullins often mentions, and it has been quite eye-opening for me the first time I heard it. Anyway, thanks for sharing your perspective on these issues, you and Proko are doing a fantastic job with this channel!
agreed!!
This video feels more like someone trying to impose personal tastes on other people than helpful advices for newbies.
#7 - I'm in a bunch of places full of hundreds of beginners and/or self-taught people and I've never seen anyone do that. Seems like an awfully specific and arbitrary mistake for being in a top 7 listing.
#6 - OH GODS NO... Probably the #1 biggest delusion in digital art is that brushes are the key to good art - and you are just reinforcing this horrible, horrible delusion. WHY...
#5 - I partly agree. I think that it is beneficial to learn some traditional stuff first, it gives you a feel that will help you in digital. So I absolutely recommend everyone to try trad. But it is not by any means a prerequisite for getting good and absolutely not a prerequisite of developing a unique style! Sorry, but I feel you gave the good advice here but with the wrong reasoning and in the wrong tone.
#4 - Once again, pretty arbitrary. Yes, that's something beginners tend to do but to be named a number 4 biggest mistake is weird, to say the least. There are several way bigger mistakes, that you don't even mention at all.
#3 - Yes, delusion is a common mistake but... how the hell did you manage to simply it all down to just soft brushes?! I don't see the connection or logic here. As for soft brushes, yes it's a common mistake, maybe I would even say it fits for a #3 on a top list if you just left the entire "delusion" narrative out, but I feel your explanation of why using only soft brush is bad is lacking to say the least, and you should have pointed out that soft brushes are not inherently evil and can used in a right way too.
#2 - That is a personal opinion framed as some universal truth. And it isn't. It is a matter of style and technique, some people can create nice and organic looking rendering using a single brush, others find the multiple brush workflow better for them personally. It's a choice. Just because you are the type of artist for whom varying brushes works better doesn't make it a universal truth.
#1 - ...Seriously? From all the actually serious, big, common mistakes you chose brainless color picking as your #1? Yes it is an issue, but your choice is arbitrary, and your reasoning just sounds all wrong. To be honest for every beginner who does this I see 20 others who are just trying to come up with colors from scratch without ever looking at a reference or having the slightest clue about color theory, and that is way bigger of an issue than brainless color picking IMHO.
And what about not using reference? Trying to sketch with 2D shapes instead of thinking in 3D volumes? Mistaking lack of understanding how something works with style choice? Not checking relative proportions? Stiffness in gesture? Over-detailing? Bad composition? Using same values for everything? Painting highlights and shadows with pure white and black? Pillow shading? Inconsistent light directions? Forgetting perspective? Making up excuses when receiving criticism, or not asking for criticism? Lack of color harmony? I could go on... and on... and on...
There are so many common big mistakes you could and should have picked instead.
I'm sorry Court, I like you and Proko but this is gonna be the first ever Proko video that I'm giving a thumbs down.
oh yeah!
Also, there is plenty of different art styles that are very impressive and can contradict so many of these "sins" or "rules"
Agree
I agree with your list, it's much better.
Completely disagree with calling it impatience to go to digital media quicker or before traditional media. Paint supplies are hella expensive, but digital can work out relatively much cheaper considering most people already own a computer for other purposes.
Most of what you say is very subjective but you talk as if it's "Gospel" with an air of "arrogance" I'm sorry to say. Aaron Blaise is an amazing artist and animator and there are plenty of his youtube videos where he uses the brushes that come with Photoshop. He even has some videos where he exclusively uses the airbrush to paint, granted for conceptual stuff. Still maybe an airbrush look and style is what the artist is going for, ever consider that?
Also I, myself coming from a traditional oil, acrylic, gouache, watercolor background, don't agree at all that one should or even "needs" to learn to paint using these mediums before going digital. Oil, acrylics, watercolors are merely "mediums" no different than the "medium" of digital art. So long as the artist understands the principles of value, edges and color harmony that's all they need to understand and apply digitally. I had to learn that the "medium" of oil requires a very different approach than the "medium" of watercolor and even "gouache" and "acrylics". Digital painting requires a different approach as well. Personally I find digital painting a little more complicated since the colors don't naturally blend or mix as easily digitally. You have to futz with the blending or edges (almost a little like acrylics) and even the control one has with values traditionally seem more difficult to achieve digitally. In any case I don't see the relevancy.
You also refer to the use of the color picker as "cheating" but I have to ask, as opposed to what? What's "not" cheating? I realize "why" you "feel" that it's "cheating" when an artist merely and exclusively uses the color picker and not exercising observation and some "skill" in color mixing but I can't go so far as to "criticize" the practice. I think you're just using your personal prejudice and I get it, especially when you're an artist that has worked so hard on learning through practice and effort in achieving a certain mastery in using these skills, seeing someone simply "color picking" can be cause for irritation. Nevertheless calling the use of this tool a "sin" or "wrong" or "cheating" is simply a prejudiced opinion I feel. An oil painter who I consider a master by the name of Richard Schmid can be found many times, after mixing his colors, comparing the color on his palette knife against the still life he's painting. He'll take the knife with color on it and place it right next to a flower to be sure the color or color temperature is "correct", is that "cheating" even if he's till mixing the colors before hand? While that's not technically using the "color picker" it's in essence what he's doing. (If you've ever seen his work you can't tell me he's not a master in his craft). There's nothing inherently wrong with using the color picker to at least help the artist determine the temperature of certain colors or even help the artist determine the general color harmony of the piece they're painting. For instance, determining just how "white" the highlights are on a piece for example. A beginning artist can learn a lot from this technique when they're surprised to learn that the highlight on that nose is actually a magenta violet color and not white or even a light gray. In any case it's the artist's choice and if it helps them achieve what they're trying for then good for them. Norman Rockwell most times used a Balopticon to do his canvas drawings and did amazing work. Some may "argue" he was "cheating" too but that implies that ANYONE can do great works of art simply by "tracing" or "color picking" etc. That's not really true. There still needs to be some skill to make those "conveniences" work for you.
In general I think a video like this needs to have more of an "encouraging" or "suggestive" tone verses a tone that serves more to discourage artists especially beginning artist. Nothing wrong making them "aware" of certain things they may want to "watch" for but using terms like Laziness, Delusional, Cheating etc. may not be the best choice of words if you're trying to "help" one wanting to improve as an artist, is all I'm saying.
The point about Aaron Blaise is a great one! It's not like Blaise is some amateur, either. He has decades of experience over this guy and he worked for Disney for a long time!! It's not about the brush, it's about how you use it.
@@LilChuunosuke How long are you going to troll this videos comment section, saying the same thing? Huion shill?
I agreed with him on color picking. If your just studying the color, cool, eyedrop all day. But eyedropping the whole thing?? As a finished peice?? Is the painting even yours anymore??
rcpainter Where is the problem? You can not steal Color by painting. To use the eyedrop is a easy way to choise the right color. I used this to find the right skin color, for my pictures, because from my Self i didnt know what is the right parameter for the true skin color. Is it light red? No this lock false. Is it light yellow, orange, pink? All false. I didnt found the right color, before i downloaded some pictuers and locked, what color they used. And based of the result, i saved the color who was right in my opinion.
@@hasseo195 I think you mean to direct your response to pep inyostep. I don't have a problem with artist's using the color picker. The problem I DO have is this idea that ANYONE merely by using the color picker can create "good or great art". It's not true. No more true than the idea that ANYONE merely by tracing can create "good or great art". Again, not true.
Sorry Court, I've missed the ending, so some of the comments should be taken more as opinion pieces rather than minor critiques.
Some comments on the sins:
7. Carelessness: In most cases correct.
6. Settling: There is a video by Sinix that explains how default brushes (round brush?) can be very useful in learning to paint when someone is a beginner. First learn to use default brushes and when you feel comfortable with them switch to a broader pallete. If from the beginning you start using fancy brushes you will just go the route of asking what brush a particular artist is using (Hello, Ahmed!).
5.Impatience: I do not understand how style is particularly translatable from real to digital but not the reverse? Or are you implying in the comment about doing both digital and real at the same time that the reverse (digital to real) is possible? I do not see why it should be onesided. You can do pretty much anything in digital that painting in reality can do, and even more. Arguments like you can not erase in reality, or you can not transition from digital to painting in reality, seem rather silly arguments that people mention a lot of times. Anyhow, I do not have to mention that there are great artists with great styles that only work in digital. Oh, also I just noticed that you mentioned in 2. about style in digital painting so I am now even more puzzled about the end all be all message of this section.
4. Laziness: Some of the flat color backgrounds can be used to great effect depending on the situation but in general an abstract background can add a lot to a painting. For example you mentioned that white is a good choice for a flat background which reminded me how Leyendecker used simple white as an abstract background.
3.Self-delusion Mostly true but you can still archive good results with only an air brush. Ross Draws used it on one of his paintings which, as he mentioned, was harder to use but ended with the same product as usual.
2. Monotony: Do not indulge in this one too much but with time, as Court mentiones, you will get to a style. The reason why you should not mingle with too many brushes at the same time is because you have to find your own limitations. In this manner you inflict a restriction that leads to creativ usages that you could not archive with limitless means. Think of Zorn and his limited pallete that gave a wide breath of expression to his pictures.
1. Sample: Use it to check on your hue, saturation, etc in contrast to your own choices, or use the picked colors to study more deliberately. For example pick the whole specturm of colors that a picture has and study it on the color wheel and sliders. With that you will be able to transition from one situation to another by using similar values, colors, etc...
Unfortunately people still think that knowing how to paint with real brushes has more value than digital ones,even if not being able to erase made you a better artist,doesn't mean you can't do that digitaly,you could say the same to cave painting,just because you have limited resources and the walls give a cool look to your painting,doesn't mean you can't replicate that with watercolor
I personally went to digital art first because as i went to art school for college i soon realized how damn expensive it is to restock art supplies. It sounds ideal on paper that traditional is the be-all-end-all, but its a really expensive one and not a lot of us can afford buying top quality thousand dollar paints, canvases and replacement brushes. And if we don't we're usually ridiculed. At least with digital art all that matters is knowledge, and the skill to apply your knowledge. The paint and brushes can come for free.
Gabriel and Enrique, you guys are totally right, and I say the same, though also believe that in some cases traditional art is (in a way) better or more intuitive than digital, and for people that start drawing traditional and go digital, like me, it might feel a bit less fun drawing digitally even with all the good things it, digital, like traditional art, isn't perfect.
Impatience is very real one. If you take the time to learn how to colour mix and use brushes in traditional media, it will greatly feed back into your digital painting, because you will better understand the role of brushstrokes and how to properly mix colours. Digital Painting is called painting because it emulates painting, not because painting was invented in it.
@@Agonitee Yup, the medium or tools aren't as fundamentaly important at the end of the day, only the result is what matters. There is an article on Gurney 's Journey where an artist forgot his brushes and used a stick (branch?) to paint and later came back and painted the same scene with his brushes and compared both paintings: the result was exactly the same.
I'm pretty disappointed with this video tbh. I started with traditional mediums and moved to digital, and it felt like having to learn how to do things from the ground up all over again--digital just *is not* the same medium as traditional mediums. And I think that's why this rubs me the wrong way so much. Digital is just one medium for making art among many, and being good at digital won't magically make you good at, say, oil painting--but oil painting wouldn't make you good at digital, *either*. Instead, the fundamentals of shapes and good lines *transfers*, while everything unique about the medium has to be learned.
Not to mention the rest of the tips were super duper subjective? The bit about don't leave white spaces sounds stupid--that is an absolutely valid stylistic choice a person can make, and just because Jones doesn't see the point doesn't mean there isn't one.
Honestly, I"m really disappointed with this video, and I hope the channel goes back to making more that I subbed for--things that inspire, fundamentals that actually help, and not these shallow don't do these super subjective things and "o only start with trad then move to digital even though whatever traditional medium you picked won't be at like digital!!!!" sort of things.
Yes, the `sins` he mentions is more like `subjective`..
omg he trashed on why you shouldn't leave the white spaces, but then later on literally gives tips on making the white space look good when you do leave it, to then saying that just leaving the white is okay?!! like make up your mind and admit that it's literally just how you use it that matters just like all these other "sins"
It's interesting. I had a rough base of doing physical art and painting, but I wasn't very good. Then I had a 4 or 5 month amount of time of basically only doing digital art. When I came back to doing physical artwork, I found that things felt much more intuitive. I was able to understand the processes that I needed to go through to get the results I wanted.
Imo one of biggest mistakes, most newbie artists do- coloring shades and lights with a same color and just different tones, instead picking different colors. It makes picture dirty and unrealistic
this seemed more like an ad with the video as an afterthought. most of the sins were rather subjective in my opinion.
Yes, clearly.
The sins is subjective, hahaha.. i`m agree with that.
NGMI
Caricatures are the worst sin, by far.
honestly? yeah
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Haha, I was thinking the same thing. The guy is very skilled, but I always find caricatures, especially in this particular vein, to be a bit kitschy. I realize that sounds snobby as hell, but trust me, I'm not all that sophisticated.
Only people that had mastered in human face anatomy want to do caricatures
Usually, the advices on this channel tend to be really good, but this time, they weren't. (at the exception of the bit on the airbrush)
1: There is absolutely NO reason painting traditionnally would be necessary before going digital, painting traditionnally is really *expensive* when you're just trying to learn, there's less room for trial and error, each mistake a beginner will make will cost them bucks, as opposed to digital media, which litteraly has a tendency to give beginners motivation and courage to actually experiment with techniques and trainings. On top of that, there are insane amounts of students going pro-level in digital painting without ever having touched traditionnal *All the time*, I'm just really confused why would someone think that traditionnal paint has somewhat of a higher learning value (or value at all...)
2: there are pros everywhere telling us that the default round brush is enough in itself and that relying on custom brushes to give a good look to your paintings is absolutely harmful to your learning process, skill doesn't stop in one certain program with one certain brush, if it does, it's not a skill and is in itself *self-delusion*. This advice you gave is, on top of all of that, in direct contradition to a previous video on the channel showing anthony jones using exclusively the default round brush to make amazing concept art in 5min.
3: The eyedropper is a powerful tool for anyone knowing how to *properly* use a reference. Sure, relying on it is bad, but it's reaaaally useful to use it to try and understand how light and colors behave, and become aware of all of those subtle nuances that make big differences while being the complete opposite of obvious.
I agree with your points. While I began creating art traditionally (couldn't use a computer for art much back in the early 80s!), I always hated painting! I hated oils, water color, even acrylic paints. I like pencils, color pencils, and ink. But when I finally was able to go digital, I found that I loved painting! So, if I had to paint traditionally just to work digitally, I would never work digitally. I am so glad that I don't have to paint traditionally at all.
Also, many artists, new to digital art, seem to think that different brushes will make them better artists, relying on the brush instead of trying to improve their skill. They get bad results with the standard round brush and then think, "Hey! I just need a different brush!" Soon, they end up with a collection of cool brushes, but their art still hasn't progressed. Many of the best pieces I've seen were created with a standard round brush. That's not to knock other brushes, mind you. But, like your favorite pencil, I see no harm in finding a few brushes that you like and primarily using them in your work.
Yeah, I don't get his grief with the eyedropper tool. It can be a god-send when you are struggling with certain colors. ;)
A good digital tablet a pc and photoshop is way over 1000 dollars miss me with that "too expensive" shit
I haven't touched a traditional paint brush since I was 9 (I'm 36). Not that I'm knocking it or, don't have a desire to enhance my traditional skills, I just never really had the time, I guess. I agree with what you said and was the first thing that popped in my mind when watching that section.
1: Nothing is absolutely necessary, but knowing how to make art irl will definitely help with making digital art. Traditional isnt less or more expensive than digital either.
2: Ive used a lot of drawing software, and there were a few where the default brushes were just trash. Of course this was a while ago, and most software now have at least one decent brush, but creating a new brush and knowing all your options takes barely any effort so why not try it anyways.
3: You dont learn anything about understanding colors from just copying them. If someone wants to learn about important non-obvious stuff they should just look at the reference better. Imo trying to get the right color from the color selector teaches someone a lot more than ctrl+click.
@@natsufbreather1023 1: yes knowing art traditionnally helps with art in digital indeed, but >
- the opposite is also true, and learning my art skills on digital actually helped me have better skills on paper too.
- the point made in the video tries to make people believe that painting traditionnally is *necessary* for better skills on digital, which is wrong because believing that involves a bad understanding of what is actuallly a *skill* in art; for example: if you don't know how light works when on digital, you will not understand it better on traditionnal, if you don't know anatomy or texture on digital, you will not know it better on traditionnal (same works the other way, but at least trial and error is easier and more affordable on digital so...)
skills translate from one medium to the other, and same goes for lack of skill
2: yes indeed, you're right, playing around with the settings of the brushes to suit your personal preferences is actually helpful, and better than using the absolute default ones; I might have badly chose my words on my first comment; what I meant was the idea that an artist doesn't need "fancy" brushes like those with the complex textures and forms, and just sticking to a customized round brush is good enough (and on top of that, for people who might have slow computers, having a brush with a form more complex than the default round can cause a slight lagg)
3: My point was to use the eyedropper in an actually helpful way, of course I wasn't defending the "color-copy" use of the tool, I was rather thinking about using it as a means for color obervation: keeping it clicked while moving you eyedropper around on your reference, to observe what happens to the hue, saturation and value if for example you move from a highlight to a mid-tone, then making conclusions based on what you just oberved so you understand better how color behaves; I've actually used this techine in my learning process and it boosted my understanding of light a lot and at the same time teached me directly how all of that translates on a digital color wheel
i'm actually not a sinner, just a beginner, but i had a lot of great teachers and advice these past few years. Never eyedropped off a reference, it just felt like it'd hurt me more than help me grow.
Proko, you're awesome, I super appreciate all your videos and your advice you give us for free, you don't have to and it's a huge help. I've learned so much from you and other artists who are willing to teach this generation of budding artists, keep up the good work!
Something you didn't mention that I noticed with new artists is a tendency to pick a pure black and set opacity to 10-15% to create shadows. Or pure white and low opacity to create highlights. I think point 5 would address this but thought it was worth pointing out. It tends to create very washed out paintings.
A personal bad habit of mine that I'm trying to correct is an over dependence on painting in grey-scale first to get values right and adding colour after. Not a terrible habit but I find I get better results the sooner I introduce colour to a piece. So it's something I'm working on.
Instead of doing a compete value painting in detail, something I like to do is a small value study before starting the larger piece. I use very simple abstract shapes. When I start the larger piece I start with full color from beginning. Maybe this will help?
@@ProkoTV thanks for the response! I'll introduce that to my process and see how I go.
I was feeling some of the points in the beginning but later on it just got ridiculous. Most of these just seem like mistakes that you subjectively believe rather than in general.
I mean come on the notion that someone who's never picked up a brush or acrylic paint going into digital art will never develop there own style is completely asinine. There are people who are amazing at digital art without ever using paint
It just a matter how you apply the basic rules and technique of art in general and not the medium exactly.
Dont present what works for you as a general rule that should apply to everyone. Most of these come down to personal preference.
Thank you. Your comment on not getting stuck using one brush, what I have been doing, totally helped me. Amazing what a little advice can do. Thanks again.
This was enlightening. I’ve color picked before, mainly as practice, never displayed as original artwork. This was really great insight.
Lots of really bad advice in this video, kinda surprised this was approved by Proko, usually content on this channel is high quality.
Can you name them? It's a nonsense to write such a comment if you don't point out the problems.
NGMI
@@dorianekg There's plenty of comments already that list issues with the video, another isn't needed.
@@dorianekg Almost all of the tips in this video are flat out wrong. more than half at the very least, and the other half could be debated as well.
Impatience got me good when I started out, I rushed to digital and thought it would be a smooth ride... oh boy was I in for a surprise the following 3 weeks were torture but I persevered nonetheless 👏🏼 and have yet much to learn.
Really insightful, I’ve been guilty of using the eye dropper tool so this is very helpful so I can learn to choose my colors more wisely
I JUST found your channel and the video I was watching was for 2012, came here to check if you still post and this video is for 10 minutes ago
Best thing ever :))
_"I started with MS Paint with a trackball mouse and spent more than two decades till I arrived in Photoshop stage with a tablet, whippersnapper nowadays just go straight to Photoshop... preposterous!"_
_"I programmed my paintings pixel by pixel with BASIC on MSDOS - MS Paint was a luxury!"_
Although I don't digitally paint this seemed helpful.
I’ve honestly done most of my digital paintings using the eye dropper tool very heavily to pick colours from reference pictures and over time i noticed that my paintings just looked...dull...and that’s why I watched many colour theory videos and tutorials to understand colour and experimented with colour and that actually helped my paintings look alive!
deep from my heart, i say big thanks, for revealing most bad habits of digital painting. this video is a new revelation to me, and make me realize what mistakes i have been doing for these years of doing digital painting. Best regards to you, and God bless u abundantly.. Greetings from indonesia.
I feel personally attacked by this whole video
venalt 😂
I have never tried digital art. I’ve been only practicing traditional as a beginner. Should I try digital?
Love your drawing tutorials!
I’m doing traditional first then do digital later
Yes, you should try it. I paint both traditional and digital, and I've found that digital helped me see more possibilities in my oil painting. Plus with digital you can just let your imagination take you where it will - no limits on colour, supplies, canvas size, etc.
Yes definitely.
I disagree about the airbrush. Many famous digital artist such as Ross draws and wlop use the airbrush extensively. Depends how you use it
That "being impatient" one is deadly accurate for me. I've realized the mistake and hope to take a hand full of art classes this spring semester
"You can't develop your style without starting with traditional media"
That's like saying you can't learn to ride a motorcycle unless you start on a 50cc scooter...
Will Ferrell is back!
Great video! Love to see one about the fundamentals of oil painting.
The George RRM painting is so great, I love it! ♥
By the way do you think that watching too mutch tutorials, instead developing your own approach to art is sin too ?
there's never too much tutorials. only too little practice.
Remember to practice 40 hours a day.
P R A C T I C E
Loved the video! My biggest sin is relying too much on the "undo" function. I always find myself painting with my other hand literally hovering over the Ctrl and Z keys, ready to press them after any "misplaced" brush stroke. I need to stop doing it so often!
As a person who struggles with color, I feel it a great way to understand color is to use the eyedropper tool to steal from an image and create a color pallette based on the colors you find. It's best to do it before you start working as you don't rely on the image more so than your own mind when it comes down to it.
Ohhh boiii that good ol airbrush 😔
Thank you for this video, i really enjoyed it.
One of the best tips I have for people learning digital painting, is to always look at the hsv of the colours when studying and painting. Those characteristics are very important to learning theory.
LOL, I am a #1 sinner with the eyedrop tool, although in my defense I wanted to be able to pay more attention to the brushstrokes. Now I get it, thanks for the hints!!!
Disagree with 6. If you're good enough you can paint very good atmospheric paintings with the round circle brush.
Skill over tricks, which is ironic given how the number 1 sin talks about using shortcuts.
I love doing traditional art but struggle with digital a lot. I just can't seem to get the painterly look, I dont use Photoshop I use a free drawing program (hecc ya poor boi) but maybe I can still make custom brushes with it and that will help? I also think i use the blending option wayyyy to much. I'm a big fan of oils which blend nicely but not in the way the blending tool does it, it's more like blurring.
I use Medibang Paint Pro, it's a free art program which allows you to create your own custom brushes. I found you can get pretty painterly results, with a little bit of effort. Not as easy as PS I wouldn't think, but still - it's free!
what program do you use
@@James-pb8xu me?
@@James-pb8xu I use krita
I love Autodesk sketchbook tbh... I downloaded a bunch of free extra brushes from their blog itself, and can get quite a painterly look too. Try it out
amazing info and really great caricature illustrations :)
True advices here, as always, and cith so much fun !Thank you so much Proko team !
I would add needless over-saturation to this list. A lot of beginners, myself included, use hugely over-saturated colors as a crutch to make our paintings "pretty." Now there is nothing wrong with using vibrant colors, incredible artists like Aaron Blaise use them to great affect, but they have a specific place and look often fake when used over-much.
Guilty
As many others, I disagree with the general tone of the video, and is one of the RARE Proko videos that I did not like. Not because of the content itself, but rather because one artist's opinion is being presented as fact/Word of God (I mean look at that thumbnail, even if it's tongue-in-cheek). There's nothing wrong with him personally seeing these as "sins," but I believe the tone should have been more along the lines of "Here is what I believe holds people back in digital painting."
It is also interesting to, on the one hand, promote and encourage the use of various brushes and experimentation, frowning on the use of the same brush too long, and on the other say that learning to paint traditionally, i.e. with a very limited set of brushes typically, is essential to become a proficient artist.
This opened my eyes to a lot of troubles am having. Thanks a lot.
The traditional painting advice is correct and I wonder why my digi painting looks flat sometimes. But I have such trouble with paint. Watercolour is my favorite but It's hard to get proper skin tones and shadows, acrylics dry so fast I don't even have time to think. Never tried oils.
Great video!
1:35 when you hear somebody talking about you
LMAO
This is amazing, so helpful, great video
I saw you everywhere
This guy's explanations are awesome. I really enjoy his teaching.
These are great tips! I DO use reference photos for color sampling a lot. I have color blindness and it is difficult any other way. Thanks for the tips my friend! Love your art!
Greatest sin of digital painting is thinking that photobashing can be replacement of skill...
I've found many people who pass off photobashing as freehand painting. It's quite common on social media platforms like Instagram. As an illustrator, I tend to avoid any photo elements in my paintings. I'll sometimes use certain textures to enhance an image, but that's about it. It's not my cup of tea, but photobashing is ok in my book as long as the artist is open about his or her process.
@@thenewapelles6448 Do people actually put photos in their art? I thought it was just concept artist that need to churn out tons of work fast.
White gaps is a style, that critique is so stupid. " Make sure to color in the lines boys and ghouls!"
Damn, I really needed to hear a few of these! Thank you for the information!
I like the white spaces, it gives a sense of childhood art for me.
My first art mistake was trying to learn anatomy through anime and cartoons... Seriously, I see so many do this these days. And since they work digital, they use the airbrush for shading the wobbly lineart.
And I really recommend traditional painting to anyone who wants to learn colors! It really helps you understand how to mix and not always have perfect colors for everything. I also developed my style from it as I like the look of paint strokes made with real brushes, but I don't think everyone will find their style this way.
#7 could very well be a style thing. I've seen traditional artists (esp. those who work with watercolor) leave blank spaces inside the sketch (usually carefully planned ofc), and they look amazing.
yeah, the sketch he was doing for the example would have looked fine with the canvas white and I would have chalked it up to personal style. I've actually been trying to be LESS precious and precise with my coloring lately because my linework is usually so loose and crip, tight coloring can actually cause more problems than it needs to
When I paint digitally I use the same colour palette I’d use if I was painting with oil paints. I mix it the same way too, by placing dots of each colour and mixing it with a brush to get the colour I want. I feel like it makes colour choices look more consistent.
I'm mostly doing the #1 since because I have only learned black and white before so I'm not good with colors at all. Even though I love colors, I just can't tell which color I should use especially with skin tone. But I always make sure to blend the colors and reuse them multiple times so as far as I have done it, it looks like how you did it afterwards. After I learn to color properly, I will not use it anymore. But right now, I either use it or have a very bad color and good lineart.
that's a much harder way of going about things tbh. color sense is all about understanding what light is doing and the temperature relationships that emerge as a result. once you understand the underlying principles at work, everything will become far less daunting. working blindly with the color picker will leave you with a bunch of dissociated tones & no knowledge of how or why they are where they are. i never used color at all before learning digital so i can certainly empathize with feeling like you have no color sense & being completely overwhelmed, but just like everything else in art, it's an entirely attainable skill for anyone with enough dedication.
> I just can't tell which color I should use especially with skin tone.
skin is... complicated and even the best artists spend a whole lifetime really trying to grasp all the subtleties.
the best thing you can probably do at this phase is to start painting from life every day. it'll kick your ass at first but you'll gain the knowledge faster than from anywhere else. try to find life drawing classes in your area or lacking those, just go out & paint anyone and everyone who looks at you funny
here are a few of the resources that really helped me get a handle on color when starting out:
www.huevaluechroma.com/
paperasylum.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/lin_rans_tutorial_translated_by_paperx.jpg
Alla Prima: Everything I Know about Painting by richard schmid is also an incredible resource if you can track it down.
I enjoyed the perspective on this subject. Because you asked: If the goal is getting a traditional look for your digital art, in my opinion Photoshop underperforms. There are so many better brush engines out there. It's an unpopular opinion, I know.
I get that veteran users are comfortable with Photoshop, but for new digital artists, I think there are much better options. I wouldn't say it's a mistake to use Photoshop, but it's a mistake to avoid other apps because of the perception that Photoshop is the standard.
Thanks Aaron, I agree with that. I'm really used to Photoshop because Ive been using it for over a decade, but I'm trying out some newer apps. I've been pleasantly surprised. Had a meeting with Creator of Infinite painter this week and he showed me the app. I was excited to see the tools so tailored specially to drawing and painting rather than being general and bulky like Photoshop. What's your favorite?
@@ProkoTV Hi, Stan. Infinite Painter is one of the better phone apps I have tried. As far as desktop apps, my favorite is Corel Painter. Rebelle is also very good and has some of the most realistic fluid media simulation available. Krita is also pretty good and it's free.
Thanks for the great videos!
Only bad digital artists believe there is nothing to learn from traditional. Or that you can get "everything" from digital. Great video. Love the salt from these scrubs.
Jesus Christ dude, grow up. No one in any of these comments has said that there's "nothing to learn from traditional", they are pointing out that it's not a REQUIREMENT to start in traditional, and that you can be a digital only painter and do just as well as someone that transitioned from traditional. Yes, there are benefits from starting in traditional media first, but it won't inherently make you a better artist.
WOW, superb! thanks for the video. I have learned a lot from you.
Wow. I do so many of these things. I only have the default brushes that are in Procreate, I use the round brush for almost everything, and I steal my colors about 80% of the time. Tbh I didn't even know that these things were bad until I saw this video. I'm glad that I know now
I'm still learning how to draw smiley faces though...
And the other mistake is shade with black
what's funny is that the last project I did for a client I used a black and white reference and I had to look up other photos of the subject so I was forced to come up with my own color scheme. It turned out pretty nicely and the client was happy. I may want to switch up the brushes a bit more though...
Got a cintiq after the last Proko video, a really great tool!
I’ve always pronounced it as “way-com” :(
me too! D:
Some more, but these are really basic and only apply to absolute beginners:
8. Stop zooming in. Only do it for really fine detail, if you absolutely have to.
9. Limit your colors. Digital makes it waaay to easy for beginners to lose control over colors, or to never learn how to have any. Lock your gamut.
9.1 Also, avoid pure black. Nothing - not your lines, nor your darkest shadows - should ever be pure black.
10. Don't ever use "grass" or "branch" or "leaf" brushes or anything of the sort.
Tons of really good painters use grass, branch, leaf and, even *gasp* tree stamp brushes to great effect. Not sure what made you think its something youre not supposed to be doing.
@@brandy1999 Ok, that tip could be reworded to "don't RELY on or overuse those brushes". There's nothing wrong with using them in a very limited scope, but you would never EVER use a leaf brush to paint an entire tree for example. It's fine if used in very small doses to add texture to a tree you already painted with other brushes, but you should never under any circumstances use a leaf brush to paint the whole tree. Same goes for grass, you wouldn't use a grass brush to paint an entire field, you can use it to add some variety to the overall painting, but that's it. Use of the brush isn't the problem, OVERuse is.
I just want to thank You for always having the best content (people like me who are self thought artist really appreciate this)! Thank you sir!
This is truly helpful for beginners......thank you
Caricatures are for sidewalk artists trying to make a quick buck. These "sins" aren't helpful. I get Wacom is trying to sell their completely overpriced products, but come on. Not using a tinted or colored background isn't lazy. It's not known to many artists. The majority of artists start on lined composition paper. And traditional painting can add up if you want the professional quality. Student grade makes you feel like you're not as talented as you thought because of how diluted the cheap paints are. I bought the very basic oil painting products and 3 tiny tubes of artist grade paint. It all set me back $75. I could've purchased dozens of photoshop brushes with that money. Basic traditional art knowledge is beneficial but not the need to practice with it. I draw 100 times better on my phone than I do on paper.
One of the biggest sins for the new artist is taking advice from people like this with conditioned techniques from the past. It's why so much art is the same. Ignore 'rules' experiment and discover yourself through your own creativity.
Also, this gentleman's 'art' is amazingly bad, even for caricatures. Yet as I've previously stated, art is subjective. Like what you like, don't ask someone else.
Just remember "Art-style" doesn't magically excuses you to criticism and is not an excuse to not learn and practice basic fundamentals like anatomy, composition, color theory... etc. That's is just being lazy. If you can't draw or paint life portraits because it's not your "style", chances are you just can't draw.
on impatience: overall, digital painting is much cheaper than traditional. i'm not saying that artists shouldn't at least try to do things traditionally, by all means, if you have the money to do it then do it! but calling it a "sin" or "impatience" to go straight to digital instead of trying out traditional isn't fair.
with digital art, you usually make a one-time investment in a drawing tablet, paying as much as 100-200$ or 3,000$ upfront if you really want to go all out. then you have a wide selection of drawing programs -- a lot of which are free and can accomplish as much as photoshop! after this, you don't have to worry about buying paints or buying new canvas. you don't have to worry about saving your nice sketchbook pages for when you really want to draw something nice. if you want to doodle something and erase it from existence, digital art will let you do this at no extra cost!
but like i said, traditional art is *expensive*. you have to re-buy materials and will eventually end up spending much more money over a long period of time than you would have spent just getting a tablet.
again, learning traditional skills is important and i'm not saying you shouldnt, but for a lot of artists who don't make a lot of money or just aren't in a financial position to afford the cost for traditional art supplies, digital is a much better option.
This is awesome
-nobody cares if you are first-
Says #2
Very useful video. I have did most of these sins and have strated correcting one by one myself. If this video came a year back i would have saved few months. One of the worst sin is using smudge.
Super tips! Thanks SO MUCH! :)
I’m certainly not using this as an excuse but about 8 years ago me and my family found out was colourblind(funnily enough in games of uno) at first it wasn’t that serious but when it came to high school I really started struggling confusing paints and references colour schemes and it still pains me to this day. When I started digital painting and found out about the colour picker tool it made painting so much easier and gave me much more confidence there was no longer any concern as to if what I was painting was correct or not. While it can be overused much like any other tool in photoshop(you mentioned the brushes) I do not think it is a cardinal sin considering photoshop is used for more than just painting in fact it’s original purpose was purely photo editing. It’s because it was a useful tool that it has stuck around. It is certainly not a sin!!!
Wacom is over priced af I just clicked the links to their tablets in the description and the reviews are not even that good.
@Marmelade And have you tried huion?
Titulo en español pero sin subtítulos en español no mames . _ .
mistake #8 having a grotesque art style like this guy
Wow fantastic video, it's channels like yours that has inspired and given me the motivation to create my own channel to show my art skills 👍
EVERYONE, CALM DOWN:
I believe the mistakes that they mention in this video is for those who wish to improve or increase their knowledge. These actions are the ones that prevent you from learning much, saving you time and convenience instead of taking the time to learn it. It’s fine if you are working in a time limit and if you already know the general practice but this is for those who wish to further into their art career.
I feel bad for your students and what they're possibly being taught, these "sins" you speak of just seem to discourage creativity and come off as extremely elitist, more like personal pet peeves to be quite honest.
Great video, thank you for the tips!
I feel like I have been properly scolded. You really got me in that last one. XD