Basically Iirc the reason google supposedly pays Mozilla is to keep an alternative browser to Chrome available for customers so Google won't get nailed as a monopoly... lmao 🤣
"Smaller, independent browsers like Firefox"... I don't know, man... I don't know if I consider 80% of your revenue coming from a single source to be "independent"
Mozilla years and years ago when i stoped using it maybe 10+ years maybe closer to 15 yrs would "Error 404 page not found" on working legal non politically correct pages all other browsers just went to the website a bit later the "warning this site is not secure" and when you went to click through anyways which is the option it would loop and never go many many mundane websites that were just not PC and challagened typical false narrritives on various social or historical issues so i stopped using them so even before Google was known to push down and hide results FF was doing it by not letting you on clean secure working websites.
Bryan keeps reminding us that Mozilla is set to lose 80% of its revenue, but we don't seem to have internalized the number properly. 20% out of $500m is still enough to pay for 200 top tier programmers in the US. Does Firefox look like it's developed by hundreds of programmers? Because to me it looks like an open source project with an $1m funding at most.
You probably did not watch other videos on what is happening in Mozzila. That project had hostile takeover by activists and now they are embesseling everything they can while spreading their activist agenda. And quite a lot of people that will find out will slash that last 20% quite a lot too from donations that will stop.
Bureaucracy is expensive! We don't need micromanagers or those focused purely on process - the manager's role is supposed to be to look out for their employees and to make it as easy as possible for them to work. If the people directly doing the work were able to work freely - then way more work gets done.
Brother there's a lot more than just the browser. There's the extension store which requires moderation and verification. It's a damn mini-Play store. Then they maintain that forum where Firefox discussions take place. Not to mention Mozilla does some amount of R&D to determine newer products or better methods of private advertising.
They rely on fingerprinting and cross-referencing user data for ad services and possibly curating search results. If they have to split up, possibly even per country, that would then involve sharing this data across company/country boundaries if they are to maintain their monopoly. Essentially, they are crying that their current monopolistic practices can't be maintained.
Some other coverage of this from Lunduke said that the proposed remedies included Google selling data to competing search engines, it might have just been algorithm related though, but I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned in this video as that's clearly what they were referring to.
As a firefox user this reminds me of that clip where the guy says "how does it feel to live long enough to watch your favorite franchises go down in flames"
Google should have proposed this. 1 No more payments to or requirements on any non-Google platforms for default search engine placement. 2 On Google platforms, Chrome and Android, offer a search engine choice screen on initial installation (maybe with Google placed last in the list). In the EU they are already required to do this for Android.
The EU has much better remedies for anti-competitive behavior than the US. US solution has historically been to just break up the company ala the baby Bells, Standard Oil, etc.
Google should have never given up their pledge to not be evil. The creators of that company has released an unspeakable monster by abandoning their responsibilities of controlling that company and selling it to the worst humans in existence.
remember how they were so proud to have _fortified_ the 2020 elections, making it so _robust_ 4 years later ~13 or so millions _digitally_ fortified voters still nowhere to be found... 😏
When you have no good reasons for something, you can always invoke the nationalist sentiment with words like "Americas leadership", even when nothing would actually change as a consequence.
if you think nothing has changed, you're not aware of Poindexter's Total Information Awareness plan/project and how all relevant OSes for smart(erthantheirusers)phones and browsers ended up being US-based... 🙄
Honestly they should be going after Nvidia more than Google, and every company in tech would be violating anti trust by the lawyers definitions which is kind of insane
I think this is to shift the overton window (of sorts) in their favour- by proposing something way too far in their favour it makes something that is less in their favour (but still not horrible) not seem to be as unfairly unpunishing as before
A: By the time anyone realised GPT had written the proposal, the automated mailing system had already mailed it. Q: What do you mean, 'The Bot ate your homework'?
Google/alphabet Inc/youtube, etc., ..are about to have a very legally uncomfortable 4 years.. ..and I'm happy to know I'll be a part of it. ..oh, hi google 👋😁
It kinda just sounds like they're making a moonshot and hoping this sounds pro-free-market-y enough for the Trump admin to quash the lawsuit with no research into the actual suit.
I think the IT departments of the financial institutions will be able to figure out how to deal with the fallout of any remedies that might involve separating Chrome from Google. If necessary, they might even file "friend of the court" briefs in support of Google in this case if they have evidence that Google is the best steward of the financial data that is collected and stored via web browsers.
I don't see anything Bryan Lunduke has said that would be wrong in the sense of banning him and his video's - just seems like a dude from the good old days whether one agree or not with his view. It is refreshing to see someone sane still around. But one of the Bryan Lunduke things I posted on bsky is now banned...... I don't know what it was, but it was clearly something with Lunduke as the quote is still there.
There really must be a lot more independent browsers out there than I knew about because I've never heard about this Modzilla. It seems like Mozilla should take issue with them being in the same market with such a similar name. I'm surprised there was no talk about Mozilla at all, I thought that they would be relevant to this issue. Seems like Modzilla has extremely similar issues and Google contracts. Strange coincidence. ... Google "how to pronounce mozilla" for a pretty clear example that mozilla has a hard o sound and is more of a "Moze illuh" than a "Mawd zilla" which was driving me crazy with the extra D sound before the Z.
Worded to appear to represent nationalism, watch this whole case now disappear, not even a 4D chess move but a 3D chess move to appease a 2D power structure
well... since chrome is based on chromium and chromium is open source, couldn't google just sell google chrome and then launch a new browser based on chromium called... i don't know, "google browser"?
when you have a hammer everything look like a nail, the people making these decision are not those specialized in problem solving but in mass manipulation and lobbying.
Assuming that's the route that the government wants to take, I imagine that possibility could be nipped in the bud by prohibiting Google from providing any sort of web browser at all.
@@amosnimos Exactly. Forcing Google to sell off Chrome is not a solution to the problem. So the plaintiffs (DOJ, Colorado) need to come up with a viable solution to Google's anti-competitive behavior. I wouldn't count on it. In fact, with Trump's DOJ, Elon Musk might end up owning Chrome and Android, LOL
Frankly, at this point Mozilla should go bankrupt. Unclear future of maybe someone picking Firefox up is better than it case of it staying under Mozilla's umbrella.
Google is stupid for this the remedies for this are simple. Google chrome will ask the user which search engine they wanna use the first time they install it (Like zen browser) make the google engine open source, then proceed to say we can't pay people to use the google search engine. they just have to either this or the company gets splits up. Only reason I don't like this is because the judges proposals are stupid, the issue was the search engine not the browser? he should of ordered everything I just said.
Honestly, there’s no need for a web search engine to be the same company that makes an OS and a browser. The same for business services. I think it makes sense for Google to split Android & Chrome into one company, and Drive & Gsuite into another. As for search/advertising, those should probably be split too. As a bonus, maybe if they did that they could focus on FIXING ALL OF THE STUPID BUGS IN GOOGLE DRIVE. 😂
I am showing this [cartoon, videogame, movie, tvshow] to you [my nieces] because you will in the future show it to your friends and they will ignore their eyes because it is not the same on their phone.
I think that keeping a diversity of browser engines is important, most browsers use the chrome engine, the main exceptions are Firefox and safari. The current court case seems to disadvantage these in particular, a good thing ? More usefull in my opinion would be a court case that was aimed at preventing default installation of Google apps on Android and chrome os ( the same could be said for microsoft and apple os's).
If 80% of your revenue comes from your "competitor", you aren't their competitor, you're an unofficial subsidiary.
Basically
Iirc the reason google supposedly pays Mozilla is to keep an alternative browser to Chrome available for customers so Google won't get nailed as a monopoly... lmao 🤣
"Smaller, independent browsers like Firefox"... I don't know, man... I don't know if I consider 80% of your revenue coming from a single source to be "independent"
mozzie being so against google losing only brings their role as controlled opposition to light
Mozilla years and years ago when i stoped using it maybe 10+ years maybe closer to 15 yrs would "Error 404 page not found" on working legal non politically correct pages all other browsers just went to the website a bit later the "warning this site is not secure" and when you went to click through anyways which is the option it would loop and never go many many mundane websites that were just not PC and challagened typical false narrritives on various social or historical issues so i stopped using them so even before Google was known to push down and hide results FF was doing it by not letting you on clean secure working websites.
champagne socialists
80% of their income comes from setting google as the default search engine in their browser. If google loses this lawsuit their company will be over….
@@lycantroposYup, and the champagne is about to dry up
Seems like Google should get ready for people to tell them shady tactics are not good to use.
They think/believe they're all covered legally..
They should have hired better legal advisors
I think their banking on either the incoming or outgoing president dropping the charges.. Like when Meta bought Instagram
Bryan keeps reminding us that Mozilla is set to lose 80% of its revenue, but we don't seem to have internalized the number properly. 20% out of $500m is still enough to pay for 200 top tier programmers in the US. Does Firefox look like it's developed by hundreds of programmers? Because to me it looks like an open source project with an $1m funding at most.
Barely enough to pay 10 executives.
You probably did not watch other videos on what is happening in Mozzila. That project had hostile takeover by activists and now they are embesseling everything they can while spreading their activist agenda. And quite a lot of people that will find out will slash that last 20% quite a lot too from donations that will stop.
Bureaucracy is expensive! We don't need micromanagers or those focused purely on process - the manager's role is supposed to be to look out for their employees and to make it as easy as possible for them to work. If the people directly doing the work were able to work freely - then way more work gets done.
They're probably doing something like Wikipedia, spending 10 times what they spend on maintenance, on LGBT programs and racial inclusivity
Brother there's a lot more than just the browser. There's the extension store which requires moderation and verification. It's a damn mini-Play store. Then they maintain that forum where Firefox discussions take place. Not to mention Mozilla does some amount of R&D to determine newer products or better methods of private advertising.
*U.S.* _"Hmm... How shall we punish your monopoly..."_
*Google:* _"P-plz d-don't s-spank me."_
*U.S.:* _"What--?"_
*Google:* _"-What?"_
I think the "share private search queries" is a very disingenuous way of saying "use other search engines," thereby "sharing" the search queries.
Yeah... why tf would the need to share any queries?
They rely on fingerprinting and cross-referencing user data for ad services and possibly curating search results. If they have to split up, possibly even per country, that would then involve sharing this data across company/country boundaries if they are to maintain their monopoly.
Essentially, they are crying that their current monopolistic practices can't be maintained.
Some other coverage of this from Lunduke said that the proposed remedies included Google selling data to competing search engines, it might have just been algorithm related though, but I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned in this video as that's clearly what they were referring to.
Breaking: Google avoids taxes and court in new attempt trying not to look shady at all.
As a firefox user this reminds me of that clip where the guy says "how does it feel to live long enough to watch your favorite franchises go down in flames"
Google should have proposed this.
1 No more payments to or requirements on any non-Google platforms for default search engine placement.
2 On Google platforms, Chrome and Android, offer a search engine choice screen on initial installation (maybe with Google placed last in the list). In the EU they are already required to do this for Android.
The EU has much better remedies for anti-competitive behavior than the US. US solution has historically been to just break up the company ala the baby Bells, Standard Oil, etc.
"...strengthening a handful of powerful players..."? As opposed to only having one powerful player?
problem is, where are those _powerful players_ ? 🙄
Google should have never given up their pledge to not be evil. The creators of that company has released an unspeakable monster by abandoning their responsibilities of controlling that company and selling it to the worst humans in existence.
they are "the worst humans in existence" themselves, just check early life section
they're part of the worst ones, they knew what they were doing on the business side and why they hired mayer, schmidt and a lot of others.
Well that's what they get for googling how to punish Google
I mean, they did drop the company motto about not being evil.
They not willing to admit their mistake and threaten them?
More like invoking the "America leadership" boogieman than threatening, but yeah.
when you're so integrated into the deep state, you always end up making such deep statements or you didn't estein yerself... 😏
Lobbyists using word "robust" always make it sound like a codeword for bribe to me.
remember how they were so proud to have _fortified_ the 2020 elections, making it so _robust_ 4 years later ~13 or so millions _digitally_ fortified voters still nowhere to be found... 😏
Didn't their moto used to be "don't do evil " ?
Curious as to why you call them Mot-zilla instead of Mo-zilla, is there some history or joke that I'm not getting?
I kinda agree with Mozilla for once. I do wonder what we gain by smashing the jewels in the crown of the shaky American stock market, GOOG.
I don't see a way to break the monopoly even after selling chrome . Just imagine chrome without google as the default
Google using the Chewbacca Defense.
Will the Rustifa loose funding too with Mozilla losing it?
When you have no good reasons for something, you can always invoke the nationalist sentiment with words like "Americas leadership", even when nothing would actually change as a consequence.
if you think nothing has changed, you're not aware of Poindexter's Total Information Awareness plan/project and how all relevant OSes for smart(erthantheirusers)phones and browsers ended up being US-based... 🙄
boosting the algorithm in case youtube wants to shove this under the rug
any updates on the C++ committee situation?
"such as by requiring us to share people's private search queries"
Sounds like extortion.
Honestly they should be going after Nvidia more than Google, and every company in tech would be violating anti trust by the lawyers definitions which is kind of insane
Thanks for the crazy news 👍👏🎄🎅
I think this is to shift the overton window (of sorts) in their favour- by proposing something way too far in their favour it makes something that is less in their favour (but still not horrible) not seem to be as unfairly unpunishing as before
(on the google blog post, not mozilla)
Mozilla: "Leave Google alone!" 😆
MOOOOOOzilla. Why do you keep saying it weird?? There is no “T”!!
How do you say pizza?
@icdroid Mozilla, Piza. Mozzilla, Pizza.
mooooooooo says the cow :P
Bro spells it like the word "Pizza" 😅
Medal of (dis)Honor Godzilla
Im asking myself... why just now, government is doing something? 🤔 what they want from it?
they always want money & power, nothing else
I've heard it's the lady in charge of the FTC trying to do _something_ good before Trump takes office so she doesn't get fired
We are on googles strange
how this all posted without them blocking things against them
The only reason why government needs to get involved is because of companies like Google
A: By the time anyone realised GPT had written the proposal, the automated mailing system had already mailed it.
Q: What do you mean, 'The Bot ate your homework'?
Google/alphabet Inc/youtube, etc.,
..are about to have a very legally uncomfortable 4 years..
..and I'm happy to know I'll be a part of it.
..oh, hi google 👋😁
It kinda just sounds like they're making a moonshot and hoping this sounds pro-free-market-y enough for the Trump admin to quash the lawsuit with no research into the actual suit.
I am worried about the future of Chrome since that is what my financial institurions prefer.
I think the IT departments of the financial institutions will be able to figure out how to deal with the fallout of any remedies that might involve separating Chrome from Google. If necessary, they might even file "friend of the court" briefs in support of Google in this case if they have evidence that Google is the best steward of the financial data that is collected and stored via web browsers.
Not to be political but... can they be waiting/delaying for Trump to become the President so he can make the Court dismiss it?
Exactly what will happen
They must think this judge likes having smoke blown where the sun don't shine....
Mozilla is already dead times ago
is it very soft way to punish them??? wth
it's called chutzpah
They also have moxie.
Google needs to be split up because they are a dogs water search engine. The more they are split up, the better
I can't believe i listened to you rant about nothing for 12 minutes. I knew this is what it would be and i clicked anyway
I don't see anything Bryan Lunduke has said that would be wrong in the sense of banning him and his video's - just seems like a dude from the good old days whether one agree or not with his view. It is refreshing to see someone sane still around. But one of the Bryan Lunduke things I posted on bsky is now banned...... I don't know what it was, but it was clearly something with Lunduke as the quote is still there.
There really must be a lot more independent browsers out there than I knew about because I've never heard about this Modzilla. It seems like Mozilla should take issue with them being in the same market with such a similar name. I'm surprised there was no talk about Mozilla at all, I thought that they would be relevant to this issue. Seems like Modzilla has extremely similar issues and Google contracts. Strange coincidence.
...
Google "how to pronounce mozilla" for a pretty clear example that mozilla has a hard o sound and is more of a "Moze illuh" than a "Mawd zilla" which was driving me crazy with the extra D sound before the Z.
Overbroad*
I hope they get their sued real bad
* lobbying dollars
Worded to appear to represent nationalism, watch this whole case now disappear, not even a 4D chess move but a 3D chess move to appease a 2D power structure
well... since chrome is based on chromium and chromium is open source, couldn't google just sell google chrome and then launch a new browser based on chromium called... i don't know, "google browser"?
yeah my thoughts exactly, but no one seems to talk about it
Ghrome 😂😂😂
when you have a hammer everything look like a nail, the people making these decision are not those specialized in problem solving but in mass manipulation and lobbying.
Assuming that's the route that the government wants to take, I imagine that possibility could be nipped in the bud by prohibiting Google from providing any sort of web browser at all.
@@amosnimos Exactly. Forcing Google to sell off Chrome is not a solution to the problem. So the plaintiffs (DOJ, Colorado) need to come up with a viable solution to Google's anti-competitive behavior. I wouldn't count on it. In fact, with Trump's DOJ, Elon Musk might end up owning Chrome and Android, LOL
There is a solid legal reasoning behind Google's arguments. You don't have the knowledge to do the analysis.
Frankly, at this point Mozilla should go bankrupt. Unclear future of maybe someone picking Firefox up is better than it case of it staying under Mozilla's umbrella.
I think w3mmee and pihole just became my daily drivers. Wow.
Google is stupid for this the remedies for this are simple. Google chrome will ask the user which search engine they wanna use the first time they install it (Like zen browser) make the google engine open source, then proceed to say we can't pay people to use the google search engine. they just have to either this or the company gets splits up. Only reason I don't like this is because the judges proposals are stupid, the issue was the search engine not the browser? he should of ordered everything I just said.
Have Google shareholders already visited Mar-a-Lago and Boca Chica?
Honestly, there’s no need for a web search engine to be the same company that makes an OS and a browser. The same for business services.
I think it makes sense for Google to split Android & Chrome into one company, and Drive & Gsuite into another. As for search/advertising, those should probably be split too.
As a bonus, maybe if they did that they could focus on FIXING ALL OF THE STUPID BUGS IN GOOGLE DRIVE. 😂
Why motzilla...you guys say it's just to spite mozilla, but it just sounds like autism at this point
I am showing this [cartoon, videogame, movie, tvshow] to you [my nieces] because you will in the future show it to your friends and they will ignore their eyes because it is not the same on their phone.
Google shouldn't be punished. Since when was being the most popular choice being a monopoly? There are politicians looking to make a buck here.
Found the Google bot
I think that keeping a diversity of browser engines is important, most browsers use the chrome engine, the main exceptions are Firefox and safari. The current court case seems to disadvantage these in particular, a good thing ?
More usefull in my opinion would be a court case that was aimed at preventing default installation of Google apps on Android and chrome os ( the same could be said for microsoft and apple os's).
Brave
Brave uses the chrome engine.
Technically brave uses the chromium engine
Perhaps the prosecutors should sue Google for slander?
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However much you don't like big companies, I have bad news about the government for you...
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Motzilla? Really?
Bro... leave them alone
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Did they google how to punish google?