Ben, Great Job. I am an instructor (military) and run my own music school. You did a fine job my friend, and I am extremely critical of people who are not! I have found most instructors leave out steps, assume you know what is expected. You were clear, concise and methodical. Again well done. Cheers
Hi Ben, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have watched a couple of your other videos and they are by far some of the best Pro Tools Videos on You Tube. I haven't been working in PT for a couple of years, and it is amazing what I had forgotten. Your videos are right to the point and offer great shortcuts and tips. Thanks again.
Hey great video. I used to work with beat detective, but eventually discovered that quantize works better. This technique is less tedious and it's used by many famous producers. The procedure is similar - group the drums, all audio is to be the same length, enable rhythmic mode for elastic audio, change the sensibility that fits your project - usually less than 100% is better to avoid clicks, and finally hit quantize. Easy, done!!!!
@@PuremixAudioTutorials is there a keyboard shortcut for pc to do that shift + ; at the step to grab all the tracks after separating the kick and snare tracks? I somehow did it once and then can't seem to figure it out again. I'd greatly appreciate it if you have time to let me know. Just finished editing my first drum session using your tips in this video! Thank you again
It's to keep the edits in line with the other tracks. You may think that the other tracks are being affected, but remember those pinks line where he selects how much he want it to chop up? Those are just the kick and snare. Of course the other tracks also have kick and snare bleed especially in the overheads, so the kick and snare in those tracks will also need to be adjusted. It confused me at first too, but it makes sense. Good luck
For MPC users you can achieve the same by chopping the unquantized drum loop by threshold, and create events with it as a new drum pattern. This will automatically align each threshold or hit to the metronome and any swing you have programmed in.
It's very hard work. I spend between 45 minutes and 3 hours depending on how well the track was played. I've been doing it for years and it still takes time to get a good result.
I personally found beat detective hard work. It's a destructive means to edit and leaves bad edits,clicks and pops everywhere even after using smooth-edit. I always found it make lots of mistakes like not recognizing beats. On someones advice I decided to try the warp tool and the quantize tool, and man what a dream!! I've never found editing so easy, my drums are tight and clean, not a single click, pop or crackle. I'll never use BD again.If anyone's struggling with BD try warp tool instead.
Doing your analysis on Kick and snare and then slicing up the entire kit is the correct workflow. But when you quantized, all notes are being moved according to where the kick and snare need to be. Your ghost notes too... by the same amount. In order to truly only affect the kick and snare accuracy, you'd need to analyze those hits one by one, slice the kit, and move just those hits.
Hey Ben, if you set a "trigger pad" in the beginning it will cut the audio a set amount before the actual cut. so if you set it 10 MS, it will cut the audio 10 ms before the trigger point and that usually resolves the issue of having to drag back audio when a crossfade is messing with the transient...you probably already know this, but just throwing it out there in case you didn't. Awesome tutorial.
Hey man,really helpfull tutorial !! ,just got one question,you said you wanted to quantize only the kick and snare to keep the drums groove,but ended quantizing everything around that,can you explain that part please? greetings from south america
How does Beat detective differ from Elastic audio quantize? I've just tried beat detective as apposed to my usual quantize method on a Bass part and have found it alot better. With Quantize using elastic audio it sounds like it weakens the audio quality compared to Beat detective which separates the regions so they are being shifted as complete little audio files?
lol my friend built a power PC, 32 gigs of ram, octocore, 2 video cards of 2gig of ram each, 2 500 flash drives etc . I have a quad core iMac with 16 gigs of ram and it never crashed up to date compared to his "Superior" Power PC, which crashes all the time.
late to the party here, but using a pad when separating ,say 10ms, will do wonders to reduce the amount of fades you have to move. I just listen to the track after smoothing, and fix anything that doesn't sound right.
Ugh. Anyway, could you tell me why only the very top track of the three I picked, grouped and analyzed, will show the purple lines? Great video! Thank you.
Has anyone run into any problems with BD conforming regions incorrectly? Sometimes I'll hit "conform" and it will move my audio to a completely different place (usually a bar or two early) instead of to the nearest 1/4 or 1/8th note (or whichever setting I chose). I noticed that sometimes when I hit "capture selection" it doesn't list the correct bars I've highlighted and have to change them manually. What gives? Let me know if anyone has any tips on this, and thanks again Pure Mix for another great video!
Hello. This tutorial is fantastic. I have used it a lot over moths and am satisfied. But today i got into a new problem. I just can't do one more than 1 track at the time. I don't know why. I do like you do. selecting 2 or more tracks, with or without grouping. but when i am analyzing it refuses to do more then one track. I have recorded bass on 2 track (line and acustic ) and i want to edit both at the same time of course. Thanks in advance /Fredrik
At the same time as I admire new technology, I can't help that I feel these tricks sometimes rips out the soul of the musicians. Nothing beats a nice "human" made groove. Great tutorial though.
Great Vid! I have PT8 LE on Mac. I tried the short-cut "shift + ;" (3:52) to select multiple tracks with the purple lines and cannot get it to work. What is this short-cut called and is it possible that I have a different command in my version? Or is there another way to select all the drums and process the edit? Thx
Pro Tools 8 does not include multi track beat detective. You can still use this method, but bounce Kick and Snare to a single mono track, Use Beat Detective on that, and Then and apply it to each individual drum track.
If you only cut and move the kick and snare, the audio becomes out of sync with the other mics on the kit (overheads, high hat, toms, rooms etc,) so what happens is there will be 2 snare and kick hits, the time corrected ones, and then a 'ghost' hit which is the un editing hit being picked up by other mics. Another problem is phasing, which is where the actual audio waves clash and certain frequencies will be lost. Basically it becomes a big muddy mess if you don't add the other drum tracks.
shift + Semicolon does not work for me, Any idea why? I'm on Mac! I've managed to find a work around by just holding shit and clicking the audio I want to select copies the same selection up or down
I believe I'm following the steps properly, but having a problem. I created a group for my kick and snare, I select both tracks. Then click separate region, capture selection, than analyze. BUT- once I adjust the sensitivity only my first track (the kick) is showing separation. The other 3 tracks (kick and snare both have two mic's) don't show any separation lines. Any help would be appreciated; thanks
Hello gents, I have a little issue when going through the second step and extend to the second group (CMD + key ; ) because it is doing analysis automatically without asking anything ? (like in the video @ 3'53"), any options to remove ? Thx :)
ok , i can´t make the beat detective extend the purple markers to the 4 lines of my group of drums . even if i group as Kick & Snare , it does not appear in the others traks , just in the first ¨kick¨ Track only. how i do ?? please help
19Stride 1. Press the Alt Key while holding Z 2. Press “Assign Mode” 3. Another Menu Will Pop up and read “GET THE DICK OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS SHIT HOLE” 4. Done ;)
When I follow these steps exactly as shown, ProTools is putting huge gaps between the regions that beat detective created when I hit region conform. Beat detective is set to the proper subdivision for these tracks (1/16th note), and my edit window is in Grid mode, Bars and Beats, and also on 1/16th note subdivision. But region conform is putting my downbeats as much as 2 1/4 notes away from where they originally where. Anyone know what's going on here??
Yep. Make sure you look at the range of your captured selection, and adjust it so that it ends at the next bar beginning and not before. I know that's not too clear but if you try it, you'll see what I mean :) SO instead of the selection ending at 2/3 end it at 3/1. You can do this after you've encountered this issue no prob, you don't have to re-capture or re-analyze.
Subscribed. Great tutorial!
thanks for the kind words
Ben, Great Job. I am an instructor (military) and run my own music school. You did a fine job my friend, and I am extremely critical of people who are not! I have found most instructors leave out steps, assume you know what is expected. You were clear, concise and methodical. Again well done. Cheers
A wonderfully presented explanation, very good and super useful
Hi Ben,
I wanted to thank you for taking the time to make this video. I have watched a couple of your other videos and they are by far some of the best Pro Tools Videos on You Tube. I haven't been working in PT for a couple of years, and it is amazing what I had forgotten. Your videos are right to the point and offer great shortcuts and tips. Thanks again.
Hey great video. I used to work with beat detective, but eventually discovered that quantize works better. This technique is less tedious and it's used by many famous producers. The procedure is similar - group the drums, all audio is to be the same length, enable rhythmic mode for elastic audio, change the sensibility that fits your project - usually less than 100% is better to avoid clicks, and finally hit quantize. Easy, done!!!!
One of the best done videos when it comes to getting help on ProTools. I mean if I could understand it no doubt everybody else will!!!
Liquid Gold! Wish I'd been clued up on this, er, 11 years ago when this was made! Kudos to the PureMix team.
VERY helpful. Thanks for explaining it so well. You've made a powerful tool understandable. Thanks for unlocking its potential for me.
our pleasure dude, keep your eyes peeled or go on puremix.net for more content !! peace
Great video. Thanks for a clear presentation and not spending a lot of time on fluff. Easy to follow on screen, too. Can't wait to try this out!
Well presented, mate. To the point and quick.
Ben is absolutely fantastic!!!
Subscribed. Man these are awesome.
Thanks for the kind words !!
Subscribed!!! THANK YOU for this video. Thank you for your time. You have helped me tremendously being newer to pro tools and editing
that's awesome Scotty!!! thank you for the kind words glad we helped!!
@@PuremixAudioTutorials is there a keyboard shortcut for pc to do that shift + ; at the step to grab all the tracks after separating the kick and snare tracks? I somehow did it once and then can't seem to figure it out again. I'd greatly appreciate it if you have time to let me know.
Just finished editing my first drum session using your tips in this video! Thank you again
i've just tried it out on a drum track. so quick and easy! and yeah vocals... awesome :) thanks again mate :)
Great detailed explanation Ben... Good stuff! Cheers.
This is the best vid on youtube, ever. Thank you so much
great vid. i've used elastic audio before but this looks pretty cool. thanks for the tips!
Really good explanation, I do a lot of edits and this just open up really awesome options.
Ben you the man.
Truly super helpful, Ben! Thanks!
Thanks Peter!
It's to keep the edits in line with the other tracks. You may think that the other tracks are being affected, but remember those pinks line where he selects how much he want it to chop up? Those are just the kick and snare. Of course the other tracks also have kick and snare bleed especially in the overheads, so the kick and snare in those tracks will also need to be adjusted. It confused me at first too, but it makes sense. Good luck
Excelent explanation
i am suscribing at your channel right now
Thank you so much
Thank you very much for the follow Elias!! means a lot and keep your eyes peeled for exciting new content coming on our channel! best wishes
For MPC users you can achieve the same by chopping the unquantized drum loop by threshold, and create events with it as a new drum pattern. This will automatically align each threshold or hit to the metronome and any swing you have programmed in.
9:29 The solution is to put 10 or 15 ms on the trigger pad :b
It's very hard work. I spend between 45 minutes and 3 hours depending on how well the track was played. I've been doing it for years and it still takes time to get a good result.
awesome.... greeting from floripa -
Brasil
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Great vid.
Ben, this was really good video! Thanks a lot!
I personally found beat detective hard work. It's a destructive means to edit and leaves bad edits,clicks and pops everywhere even after using smooth-edit. I always found it make lots of mistakes like not recognizing beats. On someones advice I decided to try the warp tool and the quantize tool, and man what a dream!! I've never found editing so easy, my drums are tight and clean, not a single click, pop or crackle. I'll never use BD again.If anyone's struggling with BD try warp tool instead.
such a great tutorial! Thanks so much man!
good clear concise tutorial bro
Very helpful. Thank you.
Great work! Thank you! :)
Thank you dude, saved my day!
greatness lesson
Thanks ..! It's a great tutorial..!
thanks Man!great help!
great tutorial, thanks!
you're one of the best!
Thanks for this video...
+pureMix Yes thank you soon much. No one else knows how to use this properly
Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
You just saved my ass big time THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
thanks !!
Doing your analysis on Kick and snare and then slicing up the entire kit is the correct workflow. But when you quantized, all notes are being moved according to where the kick and snare need to be. Your ghost notes too... by the same amount. In order to truly only affect the kick and snare accuracy, you'd need to analyze those hits one by one, slice the kit, and move just those hits.
Yo you got the coolest Head-Bop I ever seen
Very usefull video! thanks ;)
Thanks man!!
nice trick using just the kick and snare for analysis. when you're moving those fades, is that the Smart Tool?
Hey Ben, if you set a "trigger pad" in the beginning it will cut the audio a set amount before the actual cut. so if you set it 10 MS, it will cut the audio 10 ms before the trigger point and that usually resolves the issue of having to drag back audio when a crossfade is messing with the transient...you probably already know this, but just throwing it out there in case you didn't. Awesome tutorial.
nice tutorial man
awesome!
thanks a lot!
I want to see more tutorials from Ben! But I can't find more than a handful.
Is Ben still working for puremix?
Hey man,really helpfull tutorial !! ,just got one question,you said you wanted to quantize only the kick and snare to keep the drums groove,but ended quantizing everything around that,can you explain that part please? greetings from south america
thanks a lot ,you got a new subcriber now !
thanks, what was the purpose of the group thing though?
Nice video! How do you switch to the next event/transient at 8:15?
Hi, Ive used beat detective and sync points have appeared all over the tracks, why is that? Great video Thank you.
cool stuff :)
How do you then apply the beat detective changes across the entire track?
Hi there you can join our group on facebook and ask about this video for some help : facebook.com/groups/puremixers/
perfect
the shortcut at 3:54 doesnt work for me? Has the shortcut changed? I am using Mac
Like he says, it's all in how you use it. With audio, of course it's destructive, that's why you use it minimally.
Good
What is the shortcut to open for mac without the number keypad?
How does Beat detective differ from Elastic audio quantize? I've just tried beat detective as apposed to my usual quantize method on a Bass part and have found it alot better. With Quantize using elastic audio it sounds like it weakens the audio quality compared to Beat detective which separates the regions so they are being shifted as complete little audio files?
What about the room mics is there a way beat detective can mirror the changes done to the kick and snare with the room mics also?
lol my friend built a power PC, 32 gigs of ram, octocore, 2 video cards of 2gig of ram each, 2 500 flash drives etc . I have a quad core iMac with 16 gigs of ram and it never crashed up to date compared to his "Superior" Power PC, which crashes all the time.
late to the party here, but using a pad when separating ,say 10ms, will do wonders to reduce the amount of fades you have to move. I just listen to the track after smoothing, and fix anything that doesn't sound right.
hey mate, are you tabbing to transient to check for beat detective edits? or is there a shortcut key for next fade?
Ugh. Anyway, could you tell me why only the very top track of the three I picked, grouped and analyzed, will show the purple lines? Great video! Thank you.
Has anyone run into any problems with BD conforming regions incorrectly? Sometimes I'll hit "conform" and it will move my audio to a completely different place (usually a bar or two early) instead of to the nearest 1/4 or 1/8th note (or whichever setting I chose). I noticed that sometimes when I hit "capture selection" it doesn't list the correct bars I've highlighted and have to change them manually. What gives? Let me know if anyone has any tips on this, and thanks again Pure Mix for another great video!
let's keep moving
Hi, Puremix!
What if you consolidate all these drums clips, would it help to avoid having to check all the crossfades?
By the way you have great tutorials in your web.
What's the shortcut for grabbing the group underneath the kick and snare group on PC?
Same one, shift+semicolon :)
What version of protools was this ?
Hello. This tutorial is fantastic. I have used it a lot over moths and am satisfied.
But today i got into a new problem.
I just can't do one more than 1 track at the time. I don't know why.
I do like you do. selecting 2 or more tracks, with or without grouping. but when i am analyzing it refuses to do more then one track.
I have recorded bass on 2 track (line and acustic ) and i want to edit both at the same time of course.
Thanks in advance
/Fredrik
Pro tools 8
Oh nooooo.... Is there a workaround?
Thanks for the answer.
Ok i see. Thank you for your kindness
0:43 The Overly Into it Engineer Head Bob
At the same time as I admire new technology, I can't help that I feel these tricks sometimes rips out the soul of the musicians. Nothing beats a nice "human" made groove. Great tutorial though.
yeah same
Great Vid! I have PT8 LE on Mac. I tried the short-cut "shift + ;" (3:52) to select multiple tracks with the purple lines and cannot get it to work. What is this short-cut called and is it possible that I have a different command in my version? Or is there another way to select all the drums and process the edit? Thx
Pro Tools 8 does not include multi track beat detective. You can still use this method, but bounce Kick and Snare to a single mono track, Use Beat Detective on that, and Then and apply it to each individual drum track.
If you only cut and move the kick and snare, the audio becomes out of sync with the other mics on the kit (overheads, high hat, toms, rooms etc,) so what happens is there will be 2 snare and kick hits, the time corrected ones, and then a 'ghost' hit which is the un editing hit being picked up by other mics. Another problem is phasing, which is where the actual audio waves clash and certain frequencies will be lost. Basically it becomes a big muddy mess if you don't add the other drum tracks.
This commenter didn't watch the full video!
shift + Semicolon does not work for me, Any idea why? I'm on Mac! I've managed to find a work around by just holding shit and clicking the audio I want to select copies the same selection up or down
What are flams??
Great vid, cuts all bullshit and goes straight to the good stuff and keeps it going till the end.
I believe I'm following the steps properly, but having a problem.
I created a group for my kick and snare, I select both tracks. Then click separate region, capture selection, than analyze. BUT- once I adjust the sensitivity only my first track (the kick) is showing separation. The other 3 tracks (kick and snare both have two mic's) don't show any separation lines.
Any help would be appreciated; thanks
Hello gents,
I have a little issue when going through the second step and extend to the second group (CMD + key ; ) because it is doing analysis automatically without asking anything ? (like in the video @ 3'53"), any options to remove ?
Thx :)
3:53 what's the shortcut for this on windows?
Replace Command with CTRL. Sorry, I know this is 3 years too late lol
@@RedCityFormat But perfect for me :D 1 year later lol
Is there an Ableton equivalent to this?
How do I make my head move like the demonstrator's at around 40-50"? I can't find any way to do that.
Why not using the trigger pad?
ok , i can´t make the beat detective extend the purple markers to the 4 lines of my group of drums . even if i group as Kick & Snare , it does not appear in the others traks , just in the first ¨kick¨ Track only. how i do ?? please help
the shift ; command doesn't work for me when wanting to select the rest of the drums!
help!!
I think beat detective is one of those things that are complicated for no reason.
I tried this and im not sure if its working
3:50 how do I do this shortcut on a Mac Pro ? Or a German keyboard ? :/
19Stride 1. Press the Alt Key while holding Z
2. Press “Assign Mode”
3. Another Menu Will Pop up and read “GET THE DICK OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS SHIT HOLE”
4. Done ;)
Like I said, for drums elastic audio and the quantize tool are the way to go. BD has it's uses but straightening drums is like pulling teeth.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ADD THE OTHER DRUMS IN THE SELECTED TRACKS
When I follow these steps exactly as shown, ProTools is putting huge gaps between the regions that beat detective created when I hit region conform. Beat detective is set to the proper subdivision for these tracks (1/16th note), and my edit window is in Grid mode, Bars and Beats, and also on 1/16th note subdivision. But region conform is putting my downbeats as much as 2 1/4 notes away from where they originally where. Anyone know what's going on here??
Yep. Make sure you look at the range of your captured selection, and adjust it so that it ends at the next bar beginning and not before. I know that's not too clear but if you try it, you'll see what I mean :) SO instead of the selection ending at 2/3 end it at 3/1. You can do this after you've encountered this issue no prob, you don't have to re-capture or re-analyze.
The entire last section of his process would be 80% less work if he'd used the Trigger Pad option, which he failed to do.
Any rundown for how to use that properly?
Colin Kcam really depends on how bad the drummer is. I’ll usually start at 9ms. If the drummer is really uncoordinated I’ll go up to 13ms.
Rock your head "back and slightly to the left" *on* the downbeats