ProtonMail Sends User IP and Device Info to Swiss Authorities.
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ProtonMail logs IP's? Well thankfully I'm protected by ProtonVP- oh.
😂😂😂😂
This tells a lot of about the internet security and its future
@Greatyork TV lol how does that apply in this situation
@Greatyork TV lol
😂
Man this is the issue with privacy. Cant have shit on the internet. Nothing is simple. You genuinely have to isolate every single account and aspect of your digital existence like a schizoid. Thanks for that lesson Kenny.
now that i think about it, going after full privacy on the internet makes you look like a disturbed conspiracy theorist from the outside
@@kirtil5177 It really does. There's a very fine line and it's hard to distinguish
We need an Internet #2
@Alexandru Oh boy, if you really think Signal is somewhere close to being safe or private you might aswell just dox your entire internet being right away.
@@arcuz7862 th-cam.com/video/3oPeIbpA5x8/w-d-xo.html seems pretty good to me
four eyed cat-man is telling the truth nobody wants to hear
i dont care , gmail is fine
_"They hated Him because He told them the truth."_
@@HorrorUberAlles Ce mai face Stefan cel Mare
@@hellomine2849 se adună românii aici
@@stefanalecu9532 me gusta tu madre
Well...this is awkward.
F.B.I., open up.
Dude, how the hell were you even able to claim that profile name?
@@MusicToTheEars141 you can change your username to whatever you want.
@@technophobian2962 I mean, how did TH-cam even allow this?
@@MusicToTheEars141 I don't know. Makes things a lot easier for scam comments too.
he's really dropping b-15 truth bombs.
tsar bomba truth edition
They claim the Swiss servers located in the Swiss alps (old military bunkers) can survive a nuclear explosion
@@gasper5223 i think thats another company, not protonvpn
13 year olds with genkernel in this thread~
^ 15yo custom amd64 bloat kernel flex
Imagine a government being so afraid of protesting youths that they order a foreign police force and company to give them intel. Firstly, WTF?! Secondly, if they are so anxious, it seems like we are on the right path.
I don't know why but this is becoming so common in these 'really good' countries. Nordic countries straight up not investigating rape cases( like the exurb1a case) and also keeping strong surveillance on activists in their country. Also become a stereotype for Japan. These countries are obviously now just trying to keep a facade of low crime rates and public satisfaction and will do anything to keep it up, even if it involves causing the complete opposite.
Oh yeah didn't they pass a law in Australia too that allows them to hack anyone's device for surveillance
@@manaspradhan8041 yeah, heard some shady stuff from Australia (recommend friendly jordies for AUS related content). But you're right. They try their best to keep the status quo regarding everything. Why change climate policies when you can jail the activists, why change abortion laws when you can make them even more strict so no one talks about it, why change the approach to organised crime when you can sweep it under the rug. The stagnation in every component of society except the free market (becoming some sort of alternative religion) is frightening.
@@minecrafter023 tf's the free market?
Yes we are winning
They are trying to remove any annonimity on the internet.
I and protonmail have a lot in common.
(For the grammar)
😳
I admire to your dedication to the joke.
I didn’t read your name at first. It took me 2 minutes to get this joke
Protonmail and I*
@@vestborobaptistchurch3161 me and your mom*
Well, well, well.
How the turns have tabled. Now the cat man is the hero and the spoiled onion mail shows their true colors
Taken from their website: ProtonMail has evolved into a global effort to protect civil liberties and build a more secure Internet
Users: Press X to Doubt
Protonmail: Press Y to lie
Damn bro, that’s like
_three wells, man, goddamn…_
Ayyyyy lmao I'm the 420th like 👽
If it isn't the consequences of my own actions..
and thats why i stick with this channel, even after getting laughed out of the protonmail subreddit he still didn't stop trying to educate people. i wonder what'll happen if he goes back to that subreddit to post this video.
Knowing the hive mentality of the reddit, I would guess with 99.9999% certainty that they would just do the same and protec proton until it fades into obscurity.
@@MrREALball oh sh!t your right, someone posted his vid and all they could say was how bad his thumbnail was. i dont use reddit but from an outsiders POV, these guys seem braindead.
@@definitelynotclickbait8283 it looks more like an anti-reddit than a reddit alternative. perhaps if there were posting from both sides of the political spectrum it might actually start posing as a threat to reddit.
At this point in time, I can't be convinced that the "users" on Deaddit aren't really 80 -90% chatbots, propping up a long dead fad site.
I mean - Ghislaine ran reddit/news. No more needs be said.
@@malcontender6319 everyone on the internet other than yourself is a chatbot
Made in Switzerland and neutrality and all that is absolute BS.
-A swiss
But their army has great knives.
the difference between conspiracy and reality is once again a few months.
No, it isn't. MO had a good video a few months back, with good arguments and explanations -- where conspiracy is a much more abstract, to the point of ridiculous (flat earth, vaccines, you get what I'm saying).
hello avon, bogdan and i would like to have a little chat
@the nexus I think he means that "vaccines cause autism" thing, not COVID vaccines controvery
@@Pyoron I used to laught at that thing before, but seeing how the vaxed crowd acts right now, I'm starting to see some credibility to the causes autism thing.
@@johnsmith361 eh, I think it's more about group identity. "The vaxed" can be used as a form of identity politics, it's all about tribalism
Me: Switches to protonmail because MO recommended it once
MO: Makes a video that Protonmail is spooky
Well that's problem of all internet services, that are developing over time. Take Signal for example. It was a while ago claimed as secure open source messanger, yet the compay decided to not commit updates on the Signals server and apps to github, implementing mobilecoin and soone... And by the end any tipe of distant communication in history wasn't completely private anyway (like letters that could be stolen from your mailbox...), but today it is sometimes harder to chose the lesser evil, because companies always tries to hide how their services works to the public. It's good there are "wistleblowers" like Mental Outlaw, but you should only consider the arguments and decide on your own.
@@MrHolmesCZ any company providing some type of secure service is bull, other corporations like the cia, fbi are going to do legal and illegal things to them if they don't put in a million backdoors.
Authorities squeeze the nerds who make these sites - nerds who have no solid bone or belief in their body.
They fold like lawnchairs.
@@malcontender6319 completely the opposite, person most likely to fold is the conservative righty type loser CEO, while the nerd virgin tries to protect it till the very end, till he is either kicked or killed.
want peace of mind? Remove yourself from the same goddamn protocol stacks
I use the free version of Proton mail simply because it is not Google, Yahoo, or Microsoft.
Proton Mail is not nor ever will be "safe". As a matter of fact, there is not a single email service in existence that is "safe".
Never has been, never will be.
Same thing for VPNs. If your adversary is the government, using Tor is not going to help either, if they really want you.
tails is probably your best bet, but yeah if your government is after you just don’t use the internet or phones.
@@JH-jk3nm Very true, yes. No amount of tech can stop the physical force of a government/country/state who is hell bent on getting you. Better to have other tactics.
@@thefoxpine my understanding is it is E2E encrypted so long as the emails are between protonmail email domains. anything sent to yahoo google etc is not encrypted
real domestic griefers communicate in the overworld anyways.
If they want your login info, the only way you can stop them from getting it is by not logging in, so encryption doesn't matter.@@mysteryY2K
he's like simpson of tech world now
True probably the only one who suspected proton mail lol
The irony of them having "Swiss privacy" on the website... 😂👌
When I first read this story I didn't even though it was Gretas skipping school...
"how dare you"
No they are literally Mountain sweJ, why you trust them?
@@muftiwicaksono7914 hey, that's a pretty good name for a soda. Green, of course, with a "minted" flavor - and plenty of gas.
@@4.0.4 yes it's green, at least it's not glowing.
@@muftiwicaksono7914 little tip never trust the swiss
As a network engineer and email security subject matter expert I have not once believed any of these bold claims of “no logging” and “we care about your privacy” its the trendy marketing trope that is an outright lie.
What better alternatives to Protonmail?
@@floppathebased1492 false
@@Frivals Threema.
What I've learned over the years is that whenever there's a hyped up "privacy tool", it's either a straight up honeypot or just a huge glow-in-the-dark alphabet boi magnet, so you're almost always better off using some relatively obscure tech with a small and hush following. This principle has not let me down once to this day.
Security through obscurity.
@@joshallen128 what exactly is at odds with FOS philosophy here?
@@beardalaxy I mean yes security through obscurity is not really great security, but it does help.
Security through obscurity can only get you so far
@Redbag three your what?
In all seriousness, email as a standard is very aged and there's no point in making it secure. We should move on to newer but secure communication platforms
What would those be?
Problem is whichever platform you consider anonymity is still very hard, provided it is used by a large enough number of people to be of practical use. Heck if you are not careful enough the government can track you down even if you are using Tor, its getting real scary the extent to which they go.
@Alex Nezhynsky My theory is that the war on terrorism, drugs, and pedophilia (and trafficking in general) are at the point that they are dog whistles and ruses to strip people of their civil liberties, in the sense that they are constantly used as scapegoats for corporations and interest groups to fuck everyone without wealth sideways. It's almost always never used in good faith, and despite these restrictions on things, these issues have never died down.
It's so weird seeing many corpo shills butthurt about what Richard Stallman said about authorities searching through the computers of people who cross tolls.
Yes UwU
@@user-ze1qk9tg0k matrix is a movie ... you are clueless
Protonmail is technically correct on what they did and how they advertise themselves to be, like "we don't log IP address by default" that sort of thing. But when the lives of lot of users depend on the service they could have done better clarifying things. Just say it on the front page "we will log user data if we are ordered by our court" its not hard.
Exactly, they could have been honest and said that court orders might require them to log data, and they could've better supported tools like Tor and encourage people to use them to make such court orders impossible to fulfill.
That requires being honest. Plus if they did that they wouldnt have nearly as many sign-ups
Sure, but "by default" certainly implies that the user's IP won't be logged unless they enable it to be (for some reason). Clearly they knew this would be the implication when they wrote the marketing copy. After all, the actual meaning of their statement basically boils down to "we can log IPs whenever we want", since they can change the default setting whenever they please.
Correct.
Its in the T&C's
Google challanged so many Order Warrants from the US and EU Courts all the time some lost some won.
Also under safeguarding and emergency a Police Warrant can be used prior to a Court Order to track and locate the user etc.
What's your opinion on Lavabit? Those mfs literally shut down their entire network to protect Edward Snowden
Yea, I've been wondering about how Lavabits doing
I think they first gave out the requested data and THEN folded, so no. Don't trust them either.
@@madkvideo Not data but key, and shut it down their services so noone can access
@@madkvideo the gave the private key then instsntly shutdown their servers
@@duckmeat4674 haven't ever heard about this, that's a chad move
5:52 that's partially true. Yes, IP addresses are fundamental for the Internet Protocol to work. However, IP logging is a different thing, it means storing an IP address along with a timestamp in a DB. Once the server is done processing a request, it can throw out the address from its main memory (main memory is RAM, *not HDD,* any data deleted from RAM is permanently gone). IP logging requires data persistence, which in turn requires SSDs or HDDs for long-term preservation of data (even after deletion, because the sectors are just marked as "free space" that will be overwritten in the future).
TLDR: there is no need for logging IP addresses in storage drives, but "seeing" the IPA and holding it in main memory (temporarily) is necessary
I think what he meant was it's impossible for them to not see your IP address, which means you just have to take their word for it that they're not logging you. And you can be sure any service saying they don't is lying, because even if they don't want to then government will pressure them to do it.
@@LilacMonarch I agree
^ this
Even then they're still lying, they're 100% logging your IP. VPN companies purport the same lie about "not logging user activities beyond bandwidth use", yet most of those same companies cooperating with the feds have proven otherwise.
@@LilacMonarch it's why I like services that admit they can spy on you, because that sort of implies they think you are rational and not stupid and this have some respect for you.
When I heard about this news, I immediately thought about the video you made lol
Remember, when cops ask companies for information they don't talk about suspected crimes. They just call you a person of interest and lean on the organization until it caves.
If you really want secrecy:
0. Tell no one at all, generate no paper trail, loose lips.....
1. Whisper it in their ear with cover noise in the background. The information is never spoken around or touches a phone or computer of any kind.
2. Use a written note, possibly coded by hand. The data should never be exposed to a computer or phone.
3. You both use air gaped computers and use an encrypted drive to move the data.
The above is very secure, and only option 0 is actually secure. Its too late for me, the advertisers know my deepest desire to buy merchandise at low low prices.....
Welp, I'm glad that I held off on signing up for Proton Mail, thank you for the information from the prior video.
What you’ve used instead then?
why do you want to hide?
Well, everybody wants for whatever reason. Maybe it's help people to feel better that their chats with other people is actually belongs to them, not a email service provider or something.
@@orkhepaj The same reason why you don't want to tell us your real name, where you live, and all your embarrassing secrets right now: "Because it's none of your damn business."
@@egtegs You spitting common sense right now, go off king.
I've seen the criticisms you made about Protonmail a little before your previous video was uploaded, and at the time the Protonmail supporters just dismissed it as fake news. But fake news nowadays simply means whatever that doesn't conform to the narrative the authorities want, so the suspicion lingered. But your video made it very clear why those criticisms are valid, and it convinced me that Protonmail (and email in general) can't be trusted.
The only reason I still didn't switch though, was because there aren't really any better email alternatives afaik, outside of hosting your own email server (which I have neither the space nor money to do). But this case is just really disappointing. Trying to cover it up is a massive red flag. I'm gonna try and look for an alternative.
Same! I'm still using Protonmail for the simple reason that I would prefer Proton to have access to my emails rather than Google or something. Email is not secure, so you may as well pick the lesser of evils.
@@CommonWealthSnow theres tutanota
@@randomrandom316 selfhosting is a bad idea if you do not have the skills/time to keep it secure.
As he says in the video. If you want anonymity, you can just set up an account and use it over tor. If you want encryption, you can use PGP with any email provider. Thunderbird now implements it without the need to install further extensions. The services Protonmail offer aren't really anything new. It borders false advertising.
>and email in general
by design, email isn't supposed be private.
I'm really sad to hear this as a Swiss guy
@LazicStefan to be fare, all countries are dictatorships because all countries have States, institutionalized through violence/force, from a political elite, denying natural laws from its citizens.
There is no "good country", only "less violent" ones. Norway, Singapore, US, Russia, no one of them respect your rights.
when reddit mods delete links to your video, that's how you know you're doing something right. lol
They also remove posts ceiticizing althoritarian governaments, so, yeah! :)
@@guliverjham8148 Or political candidates the corpomedia establishment loves.
@@kavky Man, they are _really_ afraid, aren't they?
It's like something being "fact checked" as false: at that point you know it's true enough to be uncomfortable for people in power.
For such a minor crime, wow! Thanks for spreading good information, I'm so glad I found your channel man. keep up the great work
Ofc, they want all the young impressionable minds in their government operated learning facilities.
Unless you can host both ends of an internet service yourself, it will never be private. Any time a third party is involved, including the person you may be trying to contact, assume that it's possible for someone to see what you're doing. There's no such thing as "Private and Secure" email or messaging or cloud storage or anything else.
If you really need something to be private, don't do it on the internet.
damn straight, there's actually the only way to get privacy, which is to note on the plain paper
The message you can secure with encryption keys that were exchanged face to face. The fact that you are communicating is not so easy to hide...
Or host your own service, if you can afford it.
secure email is a silly thing to begin with
exactly
True, just use discord
Edit: Because some people are thinking im being serious, i just want to clarify that im not. Discord is shitty spyware and you should never ever use it if you dont want your data being collected
@@castles990 or messenger :)
@@castles990 in all seriousness i think discord is worse since you can't host any of it yourself xD
i got the joke, please don't whoosh me
Using classic (paper) mail is probably more secure
Wow. Thanks Sir. Almost signed up for them before I saw this! I’m learning so much from you! Thanks so much
It's impossible to escape from governments, it's very difficult to escape from big private corporations. The only ones that you can fight against are little groups and individuals if they don't have critical breach at their disposition
In terms of security, the I.P. logging is actually beneficial as you're able to see the last successful/failed attempts to enter your account and which I.P. address those attempts came from.
You can't have this feature without I.P. logging to an extent.
I think the problem is the way they sell themselves, claiming "anonymous email account". They should make clear since day one that obviously they need the follow Swiss law, including logging IP addresses if requested. Still, I don't see better usable alternative for the average user out there.
Should their govt. rather be thankful such advocatives are there that they're at least putting an effort to stop the Alps from melting and becoming purely naked rocks?
Lavabit avoided complying with subpoena by shutting down their whole company.
I can respect that alot
Thank you for dealing with the reddit bs in such a good manner x) Watching your videos since a year and loved all of them! Keep it up :)
Guess I will send my mails via a messenger pigeon from now on.
Sorry, the government controls the birds too.
RFC 1149?
@@PK-we6vk Birds aren't real.
Bang!
I will never get tired of saying you have the best thumbnails in the game
There is NO such thing as a private email service anymore. Really the only option I think would be to setup your own server to send and receive mail, but that can become quite the headache as well.
Anymore?
There never was.
And a private e-mail won't be able to do shit. E-mail protocol is not private, it isn't meant to be.
You can encrypt the content of an e-mail, but the e-mail address and title can be read by anyone.
Mailfence
They at least use a warrant Canary and have built themselves carefully avoiding all USA anything right down too certs .
They don't do ap store version s
Hardly private if you download it from some place that can see you do it lol
My only concern in choosing an email service is so that Big Tech can't use my (very non-illegal subject matter) emails to sell ads and advance their political influence. I don't care if the feds have access to be honest. Doesn't bother me yet. So if ProtonMail continues to not monetize the email content, I'm good with them.
Great video Outlaw! Thank you. And yeah, most of us don't think you're "blowing smoke" with your past opinions and research. It's awesome you've brought this out into the light. Props!
Thanks for keeping to report this, you are very right and I hope more sceptics that are still dreaming of proton protecting their backs selflessly with super-powers. Listen to this message!
Wow. Refreshing to see another TH-camr besides myself with an actual hot take. Great video man.
What better alternatives to Protonmail?
I know I probably don’t see perfectly eye to eye politically with MO, but I always keep an eye on the channel for the OpSec explainers and whatnot. Good ish
I've been waiting for tihs video from you for a while
as a swiss person, thats really dissapointing to hear.
Wait, is truancy a crime in France?
It's fun to come back to this channel every 4 months. It's like listening to my "crazy" uncle
Wow, happy I stumbled upon this.
Email server (or any network/non-network) technology can work WITHOUT logging. Logging is there for analysis what has happened at certain period of time with the service/application, for developers to work of bug fixes. Logging is storing application activity in file. Once more, logging is not necessary for the application/service to run correctly.
Damn, perhaps the best way is to just DIY
Email technology is fundamentally not private or anonymous.
@@xp5794 convenience > freedom
@@PK-we6vk depends on your mentality xdd
P G P
@@MentalOutlaw so i should just use gmail? protonmail and tutanota deletes after 3 months
In short: Always stay fresh, 'cause the feds are watching.
God I love you Kenny, keep up the good stuff
I knew it! I believed it as soon as I watched your last video on them
This was not surprising from Protonmail, since since the BÜPF law no data can be kept properly secure in Switzerland.
The battle for secure private messaging continues...
it was too good for being real, always had my doubts.
thanks for sharing this info, as non reddit user i would never knew this.
It does say in the PMail terms and conditions that they will log and trace you (and supply) if they get a Court Order or Warrant.
I am so glad I found your channel several months ago, currently a windows normie who is slowly moving to Linux.
I always thought that you'd have been proficient with BSD, given your doctoral work at MIT in the 90s.
@@CFSworks BSD is for real chads. Linux is for sheeple
0:55 four-eyed cat man lmao! so proud of myself for having came up with that name now. 😎
Your channel is goated so glad I found it
Thank you good sir!
What I'd have expected from ProtonMail is to go to court and see, if that request was legit at all. That's the minimum, what they owe their customers.
The lesson to be learnt is if you want to hide things on the internet you need to understand what you are using. Though i think it's more to do with where they would be protesting than the fact they activist was skipping school.
I was just waiting for it really.
Mental Outlaw, every time I watch a new video of yours, I think. Damn, he knows about that, too? Throwing out red pills left and right without even blinking.
Fucking based, my man.
Rip HoneypotMail
No logging to me means that you don't keep logs, i.e. that you see and forget. Of course you have to see the IP address, but you don't need to save it for an extended period of time, in many cases.
Great. I've used them for ages but decided not to buy in until I did more research on them. Good thing I decided to do that.
thanks a lot, i was going to switch to proton but your concerns made me rethink it, and with this i now know im not gonna. Thank you im happy i subscribed to you 4 eye cat man
What e-mail provider do u use i want to switch now.
The hard problem with hiding yourself from people spying you is that they have the advantage all the time.
Woah, you're on some "That's So Raven" stuff.
I was waiting for this bitter-sweet told you so.
I only use proton mail for like 3 different websites that I rarely use so I might switch to another email service but since I don’t use it hardly even I don’t think it’s worth changing there email
Also I don’t expect any email service to be private I just use multiple emails to containerize accounts
Again: Don't discuss illegal unless it's in person.
Granted preferably don't DO the illegal thing, but i this instance it's a bit of civil disobedience to generate talk over an issue which I can get behind, but still.
Either ProtonMail is wanting its cake in courting 'security conscience' people who don't trust google (to be fair lots of reasons to not trust a company that views you as a commodity to sell,) while also handing information over with minimal resistance.
Or they're a straight up a honeypot.
PGP tho
Why shoudlnt he discuss illegal things
What you need to do is layer your security
If you going to use proton mail you better make sure your own identity is hidden already, your own IP is changed and when you send that message it better be encrypted in some way
what secure email service do you recommend then?
When I heard the news earlier i immediately thought of mental outlaw
I’m curious, would you recommend current ProtonMail users switch to a different service or keep using ProtonMail, as it doesn’t seem like there are any better alternatives? If you’d recommend they switch, to what?
Yeah he forgot the conclusion part.
@@collybeans586 he straight up said that cock.li was better but unfortunately you need to scrounge around to find an invite now. The only thing it's truly better on though is the fact that its onion service isn't dogshit. They'll still have IP addresses and everything. The key is that if you're going through Tor and practicing good opsec then you'll be fine.
The better alternative is to use a good encrypted messaging app. One that doesn't keep really any info to begin with.
If you're using an email just for normal stuff and just don't want your data sold or be banned for saying things over email that Google doesn't like, though, using protonmail is totally fine. The problem addressed here is that they are just not as private as they claim to be and they literally can't be.
I got invites
I absolutely agree, but the question then becomes: is there any email service that's worth it as an alternative? This entire event wasn't even the true red flag, it's the fact that the CEO of the company outright lied multiple times, right down to policy and implementation. While it's better than the free regulars, it's only marginally so. Anyone have any ideas?
I think the most email can be secure is remaining in the provider's domain. Gmail to Gmail, Protonmail to Protonmail...
Once outside the domain no one can guarantee anything. Companies make claims that consumers want to hear.
As a person from switzerland, i can confirm that i knew this was going to happen sooner or later.
I don’t really see how logging someones IP Address is required for an email service to function, could you explain what I’m missing? The only time you need someones IP address would be while communicating, and nothing should require you to log that.
The server receives a packet of information. Then where is it supposed to distribute? That's when IP address comes in to identify the intended owner. Without ip address you can not have direct communication
While I appreciate what you're saying here and am onboard with the points being made "knowing" and "logging" or fundamentally different things.
Any packet transmitted over TCP/IP requires the IP address to be known. Even at the level of a network switch, it has to know.
But my unmanaged network switch cannot be queried later for IP addresses that were once involved in the transmission of a packet that was once relayed 15 years ago, because it doesn't write that information to a log file anywhere.
(And yes, I'm using this example on purpose because the network switch does keep track [which is different than logging and that's my entire point] of which IP addresses exist on each port, it maintains that information only for the purpose of specifying which physical ports to transmit the data through.)
It is one thing to say that X email provider DOES log the addresses. But it's another thing to say that it is impossible for them not to. The technical transaction of data that occurs when an email is sent requires that the IP addresses are known, but that doesn't mean that they are necessarily written to a log that can later be queried and retrieved.
Again, I'm not defending Proton here, I'm just saying that it's false information to say that email MUST NECESSARILY LOG every IP address.
If I'm delivering packages for Amazon it is necessary that I KNOW the delivery address. But you are describing this in such a way that says if the Swiss authorities pulled over an Amazon Driver and asked them for a list of every address that they have taken a package to in the last year that it is a technical impossibility for that driver to say "I didn't log those addresses and therefor cannot provide them to you."
Can they log it? Yes
Is it possible to log it? Yes
Is it ever impossible to log it? No
Is it ever possible to not log it? YES
(This last one is what I feel you are greatly misrepresenting in the video)
I definitely feel like this is a weaker take from mental outlaw. Still support his message overall though.
Can you elaborate a bit more on how hosting your own services would constitute logging?
The service has to communicate with your ip at time of use, but unless they had access in real time and you've configured the server correctly there should be no log.
Am I missing something?
I always thought "no logs" meant that they don't store IPs persistently and when/if they dump server logs to disk they redact the IPs.
Dude, it's literally in their ToS that they report these things to the Swiss government when subpoena'd for it. They don't automatically report things, only when the Swiss authorities ask them to but they're cucked out because Swiss laws make it so that they have to relinquish certain data to (specifically) the Swiss government.
This means that alphabet boys can just subpoena the Swiss government and if the Swiss government wants to cooperate then of course they'll subpoena Protonmail
*Alternative* ?
What email service would you recommend?
ProtonMail is good for signing up for random things that require a "real" email and block temporary email services, since Gmail now requires a phone number to create an account and they block almost every temporary SMS service (unless you pay for it, maybe).
What cracks me up is the masses that use protonmail who are about security and privacy didn't seem to think twice about how obvious a form of honeypot it is because they were blinded by the Swiss cheese selling point ...which btw, has lots of holes. 😂😂
What were they supposed to do? Refuse to abide by the law and have their entire service shut down and investigated?
@@marles139 would have tried to sue first
Finally, I was waiting patiently waiting for this video
F*&king for real. I knew this would come out soon. It’s time to switch up email providers now!
Appreciate it 👍
Based and IP logged.
Need a neutron mail for a nuetral mail logging ip address
Many will still choose to use its to avoid dealing with apple and google. I had my apple email involuntary shut off after J6 happened. They cited emails regarding volunteer work with Trump's re-election campaign. I literally had held signs on a street corner three months prior, but that was enough to Yeet me.
What difference would it make if proton mail stays on the onion domain if Tor itself is already compromised? I thought it was already over for Tor.
I love when 4 eyed cat man get spicy!