I was curious about Tutanota, and found this video. Registered an account there despite the cons, and I should say that as of April 2023 all of UI/UX issues listed in the video are already addressed.
Thanks for this video Sun! I recently had a family member have their bank account compromised, and it got me thinking about tightening up my digital security. I’m planning drop my current mail service in favor of something a little more secure like Proton. It’s not too often that I send personal emails anyway, so why not have something that is a little more user-focused instead of ad targeting & data collection focused?
I'd love to hear your opinion on more email providers. Skiff, Posteo, Mailbox come to mind, but there's more, of course. Skiff is my number one interest right now.
Hi Sun, a great review, quite unique :) I'd love to see you review Tresorit -- I've been very happy with their cloud solution and I'm curious if you'd find any serious caveats there.
Protonmail with the new contact manager is encrypting contacts. It is beta right now but is turned on, Also proton drive is now running which encrypts the files across many servers, as the files are spread out, to make it almost impossible to decrypt the files. There is also an encrypted calendar now as well.
I have nothing against Tutanota, as it seems great, but I'm definitely more of a fan of Proton and the fact that they're trying to essentially replace Google & Apple's ecosystems with more secure and privacy-friendly alternatives. I'm all for that. It's part of the reason why I have so much support and love for Gab; controversies aside, they truly are trying to create what they call a "parallel economy" by creating alternatives to any services that don't have any competition. It's great stuff.
@@salpertia After legally being required to do so, yes. But they only had that info because they were required by law to start monitoring that one person. It doesn't matter who it is, if you're a legal business, you have to cooperate with law enforcement. Thankfully, E2EE makes it difficult for them to give away much info.
@@_DST0NE_ I'm pretty sure I found a significant list on their own site, published by themselves. Possibly none of them "big enough" to be published in any mainstream media. I'll check again, and see if I'll find the sources
How good is Skiff Mail? I like it, but I'm not sure about using it because there is not any way to send password protected email and it also loads images by default, which makes it easy to track people by a beacon.
Hey Sun what about preveil email ? Can you do a video on preveil email please.. I'd like to know your thoughts on preveil mail privacy and how they stacks up when compared to Proton and tutanota. Thanks!
Hi, many thanks for your very nice video(s). Could you please bring Skiff into the comparison ? A new player which seems very interesting and promising. Thanks.
I find that if used "correctly", Tutanota's lack of advanced features dont end up being a big deal. In my experience, few people I have email exchange with use these privacy focused services. Those that do are truly few, and even then we don't exchange enough email so that needing a search feature is critical. Easy enough visually scan. Also partnered with the idea that if exchanges are truly private and critical, they will not live at rest forever, I delete old messages in my inbox.. unfortunately with tutanota this has to be done manually as there is no way to set this automatically. In the end, I get little active and robust in the way its privacy focused ideal is intended, nor keep the messages long enough to need to archive or keep some treasure trove searchable that it is a specific use-case service for me. Wish I could tag messages. AUto-tag would be sweeter. Wish I had a more exciting life to warrant is use more, but I dont. If you are a hardcore user that has a large exchange of email, Tutanota will frustrate you I'm guessing.
I have been using both for a while, I prefer proton mail, however I found that Tutanota is easy to navigate. Downside to Tutanota is the name itself, when I first starting it kept spelling it wrong
I don't know what to choose... One one hand I prefer Tutanota's approach and security (there was a bit of a scandal with proton mail). On the other hand I'd like to eventually switch completely to to an encrypted system. In the end I think I'll use both, Tutanota for more sensitive communication and Protonmail to replace Gmail. Damn I'd love to get rid of GMAIL once and for all. I don't mind paying like 80$ per year, if the expense is worth it. Also, with regards to Tutanota, it's easier to improve the UI rather than changing the whole philosophy (like with Proton Mail)
Hi @sunknudsen, very good video. One question I have: How Tuta sends someone an email if the contacs are encrypted? How does that work? Looks like sending a letter to someone but not writing on the envelope your address and the address of the recepient. I am wrong? Thanks.
Personally I'm a big fan of the new Eco system of Proton and that's why I'm using it. Mainly because of Proton Drive & VPN. But Tutanota is really clean & simple so I might try it out one day. btw thanks Sun for the awesome privacy focused tech videos. 👍
Hi Sun, great video. Question, I want to send messages to websites (large daily volumes) and need a burner mail so what do you suggest? Is Proton good for this?
If I do not write emails to friends or family but only use it for newsletters and online shopping etc. Does it make a difference to use an encrypted service? Because the companies who send me emails are most likely using services like Gmail or 365 and do not encrypt.
Hey Mio, what I really like of Proton and Tutanota is that emails are encrypted so only the recipient can read email once it is resting on their servers. This doesn’t solve all privacy problems but is way better than most providers. That said, for your use case, if you are OK with these emails being considered public domain, all good.
Hey, thanks for sharing… had a look and feels a bit like using Signal on Android where Signal can handle both Signal end-to-end encrypted messaging with an SMS fallback. I would tend to suggest using Signal vs Cryptext. That said, I am likely missing caveats.
Hey, thanks for dropping StartMail in the comments. Have to give Start products another chance one day, but have you watched th-cam.com/video/QaG3pqSo8lY/w-d-xo.html
@@mike-pm6xn Proton will log your IP if court requires, which means they can provide all the real IP from both your Mail and Proton VPN to the court at once. If you use other VPN, it will make them more difficult to get your real IP, even if Proton provide the IP, which was provided based on your other VPN services, which Proton will log this fake IP adress.
Highly agree, our community uses Element (Matrix Protocol) due to tyrannical moves with the canadian governement and it was unfortunatly discovered that Telegram (which we were using) was selling metadata to 3rd party and it was centrally controlled; This is unlike Matrix which allows federation and is Open Source / GNU.
I'm embarrassed to ask - but does anybody know an email-provider that includes a sense-able recovery-method? By that I mean a method of recovery that does not allow to change the internal data with the fucking password, when the mail-address got hacked. Or in other words: When I put up a phone number to recover my account, I do not want anybody to change the telephone number without having access to the phone, but only the password. The same goes for secret questions, you can change without actually having the answer to it, or "recovery codes" that can be accessed inside the mailbox by simple putting in the password again. So I want a recovery method as a second line of defense. I'm really glad for any helpful answers I can get.
Never mind on whose servers your emails are stored. From A to B, they pass through many DNS servers. There may be 25 or 35 server hops between Cupertino and Palembang. And a copy of your open postcard email may be on any or all of them.
Hey John, created account recently over VPN, but account had to be verified at their end before I could send email. I guess this is to be expected to limit the amount of abuse… fraud, SPAM, etc…. Unfortunate, but we live in a strange world.
Purelymail is better. Costs about $5-$10 per year. If you don't set up password recovery then not even the police can access your account without your password.
I don't know if i'm actually fooling myself thinking that the country of origin is important?! like, where the servers are based. I know Tutanota has their servers in Germany and Proton in Switzerland. Based on that information i feel more inclined choosing a swiss company.
if you are looking for privacy do not use an email. That simple. Tutanota and Protonmail are good but not perfekt clients for illegal stuff, but for every day using email client the are not suitable. Bad calendars with no different event category colors, not pgp or smime support with Tutanota. Small storage etc.. Tutanota already had to implement a function in Germany at the request of the German authorities that emails sent to external email providers are not encrypted directly, but only afterwards. In this way, the authorities can read the emails before they are sent in the event of suspicion.If you want privacy, then use special messengers
honestly, it's easy to get caught up in the privacy chase but really the US... this is the US we are talking about... they probably know what Putin eat's for breakfast
You NEED to get away from WEB based mail and use a specific Mail Client and preferably one that does not process html email in a Browser is the Single WORST thing ever dreamt up . WEan yourself OFF WEB BASED email that is essential it ought to be made LAW
one e-mail provider that has interesting tech is fastmail, they have build a new modern open protocol called jmap that is way faster and more reliable than imap. But they do not have a free plam, thus I haven't tried.
I was curious about Tutanota, and found this video. Registered an account there despite the cons, and I should say that as of April 2023 all of UI/UX issues listed in the video are already addressed.
Thank you. I've had it with Gmail, and this video is just what I was looking for to help me consider a replacement.
This was a very nice and informative review. Thanks!
Thanks for this video Sun! I recently had a family member have their bank account compromised, and it got me thinking about tightening up my digital security. I’m planning drop my current mail service in favor of something a little more secure like Proton. It’s not too often that I send personal emails anyway, so why not have something that is a little more user-focused instead of ad targeting & data collection focused?
I'd love to hear your opinion on more email providers. Skiff, Posteo, Mailbox come to mind, but there's more, of course. Skiff is my number one interest right now.
Thank you so much. This was really good.
Hi Sun, a great review, quite unique :) I'd love to see you review Tresorit -- I've been very happy with their cloud solution and I'm curious if you'd find any serious caveats there.
Protonmail with the new contact manager is encrypting contacts. It is beta right now but is turned on, Also proton drive is now running which encrypts the files across many servers, as the files are spread out, to make it almost impossible to decrypt the files. There is also an encrypted calendar now as well.
Is this good or bad?
@@50charactersonly61 It is good. Keeps others from decrypting your files
I have nothing against Tutanota, as it seems great, but I'm definitely more of a fan of Proton and the fact that they're trying to essentially replace Google & Apple's ecosystems with more secure and privacy-friendly alternatives. I'm all for that. It's part of the reason why I have so much support and love for Gab; controversies aside, they truly are trying to create what they call a "parallel economy" by creating alternatives to any services that don't have any competition. It's great stuff.
What privacy? They gave info on one of their customers
@@salpertia After legally being required to do so, yes. But they only had that info because they were required by law to start monitoring that one person. It doesn't matter who it is, if you're a legal business, you have to cooperate with law enforcement. Thankfully, E2EE makes it difficult for them to give away much info.
@@salpertia so has tutanota
@@baardi2 when did Tuta do that? I’ve searched a bit but couldn’t find anything
@@_DST0NE_ I'm pretty sure I found a significant list on their own site, published by themselves. Possibly none of them "big enough" to be published in any mainstream media. I'll check again, and see if I'll find the sources
Great review.
First and yes Tutanota is amazing.
Hushmail has been around for a long time and proports to be very secure and encrypted.
Thanks!
How good is Skiff Mail? I like it, but I'm not sure about using it because there is not any way to send password protected email and it also loads images by default, which makes it easy to track people by a beacon.
Hey Sun what about preveil email ? Can you do a video on preveil email please.. I'd like to know your thoughts on preveil mail privacy and how they stacks up when compared to Proton and tutanota. Thanks!
Tutanota is an amazing service - keep up the good work BOTH of you Proton & Tutanota
Hey Sun love the content, I would like an episode exploring the limitations of MWEB as it is implemented on the litecoin network
Thanks, I lost it when "on my mac" tho :p
A good watch. Thank you, Sun..
Pleasure!
You’re great.
@Sun Knudsen, I know I'm a year late, but what are your thoughts on RiseUp?
Terrific.
Hi, many thanks for your very nice video(s). Could you please bring Skiff into the comparison ? A new player which seems very interesting and promising. Thanks.
I find that if used "correctly", Tutanota's lack of advanced features dont end up being a big deal.
In my experience, few people I have email exchange with use these privacy focused services. Those that do are truly few, and even then we don't exchange enough email so that needing a search feature is critical. Easy enough visually scan. Also partnered with the idea that if exchanges are truly private and critical, they will not live at rest forever, I delete old messages in my inbox.. unfortunately with tutanota this has to be done manually as there is no way to set this automatically.
In the end, I get little active and robust in the way its privacy focused ideal is intended, nor keep the messages long enough to need to archive or keep some treasure trove searchable that it is a specific use-case service for me.
Wish I could tag messages. AUto-tag would be sweeter.
Wish I had a more exciting life to warrant is use more, but I dont.
If you are a hardcore user that has a large exchange of email, Tutanota will frustrate you I'm guessing.
I have been using both for a while, I prefer proton mail, however I found that Tutanota is easy to navigate. Downside to Tutanota is the name itself, when I first starting it kept spelling it wrong
Tuta means puppy where I'm from. Lucky me.
I don't know what to choose...
One one hand I prefer Tutanota's approach and security (there was a bit of a scandal with proton mail).
On the other hand I'd like to eventually switch completely to to an encrypted system.
In the end I think I'll use both, Tutanota for more sensitive communication and Protonmail to replace Gmail.
Damn I'd love to get rid of GMAIL once and for all.
I don't mind paying like 80$ per year, if the expense is worth it.
Also, with regards to Tutanota, it's easier to improve the UI rather than changing the whole philosophy (like with Proton Mail)
What about using both
what do you thik of skiff mail ? video would be dope!
Thanks
Pleasure!
excellent
Hi @sunknudsen, very good video.
One question I have: How Tuta sends someone an email if the contacs are encrypted? How does that work? Looks like sending a letter to someone but not writing on the envelope your address and the address of the recepient. I am wrong?
Thanks.
I'm interested in PreVeil Mail... any thoughts?
Please give some review on skiff
Personally I'm a big fan of the new Eco system of Proton and that's why I'm using it.
Mainly because of Proton Drive & VPN. But Tutanota is really clean & simple so I might try it out one day.
btw thanks Sun for the awesome privacy focused tech videos. 👍
Eggs in one basket approach.
@@Dar123abc late answer here, but i'm doing the same. it makes things simple :) But yeah, i am switching to tutanota and mullvad vpn.
@@Dar123abci bet your google account is connected to more apps than whole proton
I'm a bit out of the loop, anyone care to tell me if riseup is still good?
Hi Sun, great video. Question, I want to send messages to websites (large daily volumes) and need a burner mail so what do you suggest? Is Proton good for this?
I mean if you want to spam someone just use gmail
What do you think about countermail?
If I do not write emails to friends or family but only use it for newsletters and online shopping etc.
Does it make a difference to use an encrypted service?
Because the companies who send me emails are most likely using services like Gmail or 365 and do not encrypt.
Hey Mio, what I really like of Proton and Tutanota is that emails are encrypted so only the recipient can read email once it is resting on their servers. This doesn’t solve all privacy problems but is way better than most providers. That said, for your use case, if you are OK with these emails being considered public domain, all good.
criptext is email stored on your phone and even lets you delete sent emails if sent within the hour...
Skiff sounds a good similar service. It worth to test it :)
@@Alfondorion ;//
Hey y’all what about Skiff Mail? They seem legit.
Hey Sun have you ever looked at criptext? Its very small but based on the Signal protocol
Hey, thanks for sharing… had a look and feels a bit like using Signal on Android where Signal can handle both Signal end-to-end encrypted messaging with an SMS fallback. I would tend to suggest using Signal vs Cryptext. That said, I am likely missing caveats.
I would expect startmail to also be an alternative, any particular reason why proton/tutanota comes out ahead?
Hey, thanks for dropping StartMail in the comments. Have to give Start products another chance one day, but have you watched th-cam.com/video/QaG3pqSo8lY/w-d-xo.html
What about apple email?
Some of the Proton subscriptions also includes a VPN, which would probably balance the cost for most people who also want a VPN. Thoughts?
No. If you want VPN for proton mail, use any other VPN rather than Proton VPN.
@@craigmauz Curious as to why? (I'm still learning about security)
@@mike-pm6xn Proton will log your IP if court requires, which means they can provide all the real IP from both your Mail and Proton VPN to the court at once. If you use other VPN, it will make them more difficult to get your real IP, even if Proton provide the IP, which was provided based on your other VPN services, which Proton will log this fake IP adress.
Skiff thoughts?
Sun you should do an episode on the Matrix protocol!
Thanks for suggestion… on the backlog. 🤓
Highly agree, our community uses Element (Matrix Protocol) due to tyrannical moves with the canadian governement and it was unfortunatly discovered that Telegram (which we were using) was selling metadata to 3rd party and it was centrally controlled; This is unlike Matrix which allows federation and is Open Source / GNU.
Signal is not secured, have you have tried Session or SimpleX? highly recommended.
Any source pls
I'm embarrassed to ask - but does anybody know an email-provider that includes a sense-able recovery-method? By that I mean a method of recovery that does not allow to change the internal data with the fucking password, when the mail-address got hacked. Or in other words: When I put up a phone number to recover my account, I do not want anybody to change the telephone number without having access to the phone, but only the password. The same goes for secret questions, you can change without actually having the answer to it, or "recovery codes" that can be accessed inside the mailbox by simple putting in the password again. So I want a recovery method as a second line of defense. I'm really glad for any helpful answers I can get.
What is your opinion on Skiff?
It's dead now.
AOL mail??
Tutanota use 128 AES engryption and protonmail 256 AES engryption .
Proton released some of the data to USA several months back.
Michael Bazzell a big fan of Graphene OS also chooses Proton. Suggesting not to use Proton if a Graphene user appears not to be a binary choice.
I use Fastmail.
Fastmail?
💜✌🏼Proton!
I actually prefer the tutanota client.
I for one PREFER 'old school' format email where emails are not automatically grouped into conversations.
17,995
Mailfence
brax mail
What about Marcel borqsts simple mail? He also created netgaurd which we'd also like to know your opinion of?
Signal is not secure. The NSA can see everything on there.
Braxmail?
Tutanota is blocked on many email servers, the whole domain, because of spam
Skiff ;(
Never mind on whose servers your emails are stored. From A to B, they pass through many DNS servers. There may be 25 or 35 server hops between Cupertino and Palembang. And a copy of your open postcard email may be on any or all of them.
People cannot discern between Privacy and Security. It is NOT 🚫 the same thing.
Tutanota don’t let me create an account via tor or a vpn, so I bet they want know my identity.
Hey John, created account recently over VPN, but account had to be verified at their end before I could send email. I guess this is to be expected to limit the amount of abuse… fraud, SPAM, etc…. Unfortunate, but we live in a strange world.
mention tuta email takes 24 hours for approval
Purelymail is better. Costs about $5-$10 per year. If you don't set up password recovery then not even the police can access your account without your password.
I don't know if i'm actually fooling myself thinking that the country of origin is important?! like, where the servers are based. I know Tutanota has their servers in Germany and Proton in Switzerland. Based on that information i feel more inclined choosing a swiss company.
Use your name as a email? address? Yes or No????
if you are looking for privacy do not use an email. That simple. Tutanota and Protonmail are good but not perfekt clients for illegal stuff, but for every day using email client the are not suitable. Bad calendars with no different event category colors, not pgp or smime support with Tutanota. Small storage etc.. Tutanota already had to implement a function in Germany at the request of the German authorities that emails sent to external email providers are not encrypted directly, but only afterwards. In this way, the authorities can read the emails before they are sent in the event of suspicion.If you want privacy, then use special messengers
Tutanota is a company with too small of a scale, and it has recently changed its name as well, so one should not rely on it too heavily.
He kinda looks like FBI
Ctemplar is a new coming one
Check about Proton's IP filtration an activist was reported.
honestly, it's easy to get caught up in the privacy chase but really the US... this is the US we are talking about... they probably know what Putin eat's for breakfast
one down side for tutanota is that their app is electron based, it's basically just chromium
Yea its really slow.
Proton is a government honeypot, this is well know right now
That is possible… can you please link to trustworthy sources to support this claim?
You keep saying "demonstrate" but you don't demonstrate anything...
This service is not for serious users/ Their customer service , technical support and sales service pathetic. Even security system is pathetic.
You NEED to get away from WEB based mail and use a specific Mail Client and preferably one that does not process html email in a Browser is the Single WORST thing ever dreamt up . WEan yourself OFF WEB BASED email that is essential it ought to be made LAW
Still gmail is superior
Tutanotas simplicity is a breathe of fresh air, don’t need all those advanced features, privacy means more
your username: 8a1f14 is a UUDI ? or what do you use to generate that?
one e-mail provider that has interesting tech is fastmail, they have build a new modern open protocol called jmap that is way faster and more reliable than imap. But they do not have a free plam, thus I haven't tried.