Nikon D200 - Do I Need Another Old Camera in my Life (vs Canon 5D)?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- After 9 months of use, what do I think of the old APS-C Nikon D200 (released November 2005) and how does it compare to the venerable albeit full frame Canon 5D Mk1/Classic, another big and old Digital Camera that was released around the similar time for my meagre hobbyist purposes?
00:00 - 02:23 Introduction and Why the Nikon D200?
02:23 - 03:09 CCD vs CMOS Sensor Cameras
03:09 - 07:07 My experiences with the D200 and why it isn't for me!
07:07 - 08:23 Image Comparison Montage
08:23 - 09:10 The 35mm f1.8 'Dreamy' Images
09:10 - 10:17 More Nikon D200 Images (Great colours but not overly sharp)
10:17 - 13:37 GAS and the Next Camera Conundrum
13:35 - 14:38 Did this video turn into a Canon 5D lovin' video?
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I sold my D5100 and bought a used D200 . The only negative is low light performance. It was better on D5100, but it seems I have clicked more pictures with D200 in 6 months than what i clicked with D5100 in 9 years.. that makes a big statement to me. The D200 just feels right in my hand and it's a joy to use it. No way i am letting go of my D200 now.
Thanks for the comment, it did feel great in the hand and in operation, I just wasn't keen on the results.
" Do I Need Another Old Camera in my Life" could be the title for a LONG ongoing series ;)
Agree, enough is enough 🤣.
It's FF vs. APS-C, that's why.
I too can't imagine myself ever going back to APS-C after I went FF back in 2013 with the 6D.
I can still see the advantages of m43/aps-c but in a smaller form for a more compact setup hence why I'm reluctant to sell my XE1 and EM1 cameras even though after buying a Sony A9 they aren't going to get much use.
So if youre shooting the d200 in raw and are getting confused by why what you’re seeing on the back of the camera isn’t as awesome it’s because the d200 is showing you the jpeg preview rendering. Shoot your d200 in fine jpeg to get the ccd color science for the desired result. Shooting Raw or Nef isn’t gonna get you those film like colors and image rendering. So unfortunately you’re using it wrong if you’re trying to get on board with the ccd trend.
I definitely did shoot both and ultimately I struggled to get acceptable/good results regardless; the opposite is true with my other old big camera, the 5D where I am constantly bowled over by the ease in which it captures amazing images that has a look that I struggle to achieve with my more modern cameras.
Plus you rendered it under the "Adobe Colour" profile; try a Nikon profile instead.
@@PhillipConroy Again, for taste I try all profiles and pick the one for my starting position that is most pleasing to my eye 😀
I used my d200 and 18-200mm vr lens for landscape yesterday beside my z7ii. The photos from the d200 I liked better. Having the extra reach and zoom range was just amazing to use in the field. I shop jpeg and raws and just adjusted the jpegs some in post and they are great. The black and whites also from this camera are just unreal. I also have a d700, zf, df. Sold my 5d classic. I liked that camera but just wasn't for me. The photos are sometimes too warm for me. I like cool more ektachrome film style images. My favorite digital camera of all time though is the d700. It is just an amazing camera. I go back and forth all the time. I had d750, then a z7, then a d700. Shot with a d700 for awhile and started playing with my old z7 raw files and was like wow the detail. So I bought another, the z7ii, but to be honest im not happy with the results out of that camera at all. For black and white I do love it. Espcially using vintage lenses, but naw. I think I am selling all of that and sticking with the d200 for reach and d700 for everything combo.
Thanks for the reply, when I was looking into getting a mirrorless FF camera I wasn't keen on trying the Nikon Z mount for some reason. I'm currently trying a Sony A9; mainly because I needed something with fast AF for tracking my dog and also the E mount system has so many lens options at differering budgets - this was a big draw. Admittedly, the Z mount system does finally appear to be opening up and that might help people switch to Nikon in the future.
Ohhh I also use the D700 and I have D3S and I'm just evaluating between a D200 or a 5D. Your opinion and experience was interesting to me.
@@mistergiovanni7183 another thing to note is the d700 is way better built than the 5d. D700 is weather sealed, 5d classic is not. This really made a difference for me in the field. I didn’t want to have to worry about the camera failing on me or getting wet. Which I’m sure a lot of people use them and get them wet. I just didn’t want to risk it. 5d classic does take beautiful pictures. It just made more sense for me to stick to one brand.
@@jharrelphoto oh, I assumed 5D was sealed too. Thanks for the warning.
I love both the D200 and 5DC
Thanks for the comment, obviously I preferred the 5Dc.
The main reason I have kept a D200 for years is you can use Nikon ai and ai-s manual focus lenses and enter the lens into the non-cpu lens settings and get full matrix metering.
If you want film like images - use a lens designed for film cameras. I have a Canon 5d too - I love it but its not as versatile as the D200 as far as old manual lenses are concerned - in fact it's worse than usless in that respect.
I don't have any old Nikon or canon lenses; if I did it may have sat on my shelf a little longer. Thanks for the comment.
Hi Chris, I have seen and commented several times on Nigel's video where he compares a D200 with a Z7. And as happened to you and many people who commented on that video, there are tons of arguments in favor of the D200 in terms of colors and naturalness of the scene. I am one of those who remembers the moment of the shot and when I see the image on the monitor, the editing in principle is to make it as faithful as possible to what I saw. There are people who value the opposite, who do not want to see so much reality reflected in the image and then make a "spectacular" edition to impress. What I think is happening between several classic film-style cameras and the more modern ones is that even in RAW the files from modern cameras are already pre-cooked. For this reason, many tell Nigel that in the Z7 they see "things" that were not in "reality", such as higher contrast, somewhat inflated colors, over sharpness, to name a few. I was just considering whether to buy a D200 or a 5D and at Nikon I already have several lenses because I use D700 and D3S and I love them. I also use M43, an E-M5 for when I need to go light and have better quality, much better quality than my beloved Pentax Q. It is a shame that on You Tube you cannot see the difference in quality between the D200 and the 5D. I live in Japan and here a used 5D is even cheaper than a D200. Maybe I'll end up with both. Thank you so much.
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One thing about Sony, it is assumed that a few years ago they improved their color science, since it had gained a bad reputation for reproducing skin tones and artificial skies.
However, some photographers still say that they find the colors strange on Sony for photography. I hope you can try that A9 before buying it.
Thanks for the comment. I'm just at the stage where I am reducing what I own and I decided I didn't need another old camera and consistently got better results from the 5D. I did buy a Sony A9 and it's colours are better than the A7S it replaced.
The D200 compared to Canon 5D is strange! I think you need the D700 in this experiment!
Not another big heavy camera 😂
For holiday and everyday pics I use the D200 with af-d 50, for portraits etc I use Sigma DP2 Quattro. Those 2 cameras work best for me , but prolly isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Thanks for the comment. I'd like to try a Sigma but they are too £££ for me to just try them.
I must say that on my screen the D200 waterwheel shot looks miles more appealing that that from the 5D. As for having to delve into the menu system too often.. what are all the buttons for then? I have a D300 and D700 and rarely have to delve into the menu and they are similar in terms of button driven functions. 😉
Fair points but on the whole I just prefer using the Canon 5D and the results were consistently good, mord so then when I used the D200.
Hi Chris, great video, thank you!
As soon as you said you were not too happy with the results from a D200 I was waiting for you to say “Lightroom”… And a minute or two later you said that L-word.
Here’s a short version of the longer story: I tried many different raw converters and I find that the best one (for me) is Nikon’s native software. When I tried importing my Nikon raw files into Lightroom / adobe camera raw - they lacked colour nuance; they looked dirty and underwhelming. Not so in Nikon’s software. Big enough difference to warrant the switch.
Personally, I really enjoy old software: ViewNX2 + CaptureNX2. But the new NX Studio is I guess ok.
Give it a try; it may change your perception of D200.
On this specific topic, I really enjoy my D200. In some cases it produces substantially better colours than my other cameras, including D3x and other full-frame Nikon flagships. It works particularly well on portraits *in some conditions*. D200 is clearly not a camera for every occasion, but in some instances it is spectacular!
Your probably right, Lightroom is not always the best but it can sure help simplify your workflow. My Canon 5D Classic is that camera for me though in terms of not an everyday carry but when I do use it I'm blown away by the quality of its output and I tended to prefer the 5d's IQ and consistency for getting good results over the Nikon D200. Thanks for watching.
Crikey, anything's better than Lightroom. It's raw demosaicer is so poor compared to other Raw editors even the open source program Rawtherapee! I've been using DXO's PhotoLab & it's miles better than Lightroom.
The Nikon D200 reminds me of a cat; it shoots fantastic photos only when it feels like it! I shot some autumn foliage last weekend (Australia) & I found my D200 excelled with the colour even better than my D700 at times. Yes, the D200 is an awesome camera& it pairs up well with the D700.
I have to say the D200 waterwheel pic looked way better than the 5D.
Maybe, maybe not. I struggled to get consistently good results with the D200 over my other old cameras and that ultimately sealed it's fate.
I agree the D200 Looks natural the 5D looks over processed and clinical
definitely D200 better, more details in highlight aera and more pleasure to look at.
To me, the D200 was equal or better that the other 2 cameras, with the exception of DoF when compared to the 5D. I also have the D200 and a slew of Fujifilm cameras.and the CCD look is very good and a little different, dare I say, filmic?
I have the X-E1 and I struggle to get rid of that one because of it's filmic rendering.
My experience with Auto IsO on Nikon bodies, is that it greatly depends on your metering settings. You're probably better off setting the metering to Matrix metering.
Thanks for the tip, it might be useful for others. I no longer have the camera.
I had a D200 on launch and found it noisy above 400iso but below that however it’s quite lovely. The CCD sensor creates lovely filmic images.
Thanks for the comment.
Comparing a crop sensor with a full frame doesn't make much sense to me! How about comparing your 5D with a Hasselblad or a the Fuji medium frame? Would it make sense?
Probably not but it is another old camera....
Thanks for this brilliant video! I own two D200, a D5100 and a D5300 - and I dare say, the D5100 is far best. Of course, D5300 creating "razor sharp" images, but best balanced images come out of my D5100. Value for money - D200 of course. Got one for only 25€ with 20.000 pics taken.
The D200 is certainly cheap, thanks for the comment.
@@ChrisEdgecombePhoto Well, 25€ was sheer luck, normally you should be able to get a D200 for 70 to 100 euros, depending on its condition.
Thank you for sharing your opinions on D200. I have suffered GAS for a while, but I primarily use D500 to shoot my three four-legged furry mates. That is my go-to camera with dogs. The D3 is too chunky for me, and I don't want to spend more money to buy more lenses for the mirrorless systems.
No problems, happy to help with any GAS afflictions 😂. I recently bought a Sony A9 to help with photographing my four legged companions on the back of selling the D200 and some other bits and bobs.
I shoot jpegs only. I have the D200 but I get more pictures that I like with the D5000 for some reason. But the camera I like the most is the fuji X-T100. X-T1 is very different from the T100. i dont compare pictures from different cameras though. I just take one camera and use it and see what I get. I love the XF10. It crops digitally and upscales in camera. Its great. And I love the Samsung nex mini with the 8mm lens. I think comparing images from different cameras is unnecessary. Yes the D200 pictures are not sharp. This is a problem when I photograph landscapes from far away particularly. But close to the subjects I like it.
Each to their own, I like comparing images from different cameras....🤣. I am trying to slim down my digital cameras a lot so there will be less to compare them to moving forward. Thanks for watching. Agree, that the images from this camera on close up subjects were better than for more traditional landscape scenes.
I have an old canon 400D, and I love the entry level camera, because the outputs color amazingly beautiful. Just now I found 400D and 5D both have the same image processor, DIGIC II, so I think I maybe should get a 5D.
Definitely, it produces amazing images.
Good informative video Chris 👍.
I still have both the 5d and d200. Both great cameras. I use the d200 more, with a 50mm f1.8 af lens mainly for b&w jpegs. At iso 1600 it Creates a nice grainy filmic image.
If you're looking for a modernish FF camera, check out the reasonably priced sony A99 translucent mirror dslr, takes all the superb , but cheap minolta af lenses, plus the more modern Sony dslr lenses. light enough , with ultrafast performance. Technically Top notch iq. Regards Dan.
No more old cameras 🤣, I've just bought a Sony A9 which isn't that old....Glad you enjoyed the video.
Ummm .... the 35mm dx lens on the d200 (APS C) is not eqivalent to 50mm full frame. Its 35mm!
It's a 1.5 crop on aps-c, so it would be circa 50mm FF equivalent (well Google says it's about 52.5mm if we are splitting hairs). Like the Fuji 35mm f1.4 is equivalent to 50mm full frame (approx.) and an Olympus m43 25mm lens would be equivalent to 50mm FF.., no?
@ChrisEdgecombePhoto correct... if your lens is a full frame 35mm eg (ai-s f2 35mm).... but not if it is the DX f1.8 ...
Assuming you were using the 35mm dx...Nikon DX lenses are crop sensor lenses.... not full frame....
bro what are you on about. a 35mm lens that is made for dx is still equivalent to a 50mm lens on a full frame camera. doesn't matter if it is a dx or fx lens...@@noremacbeez
Get the Sigma 17 50 2.8. You will not need a different lens for 90% of your shooting.
Thanks for the tip but I no longer have the camera.
You are comparing with a full frame 🤔😂📷 both good cameras
Comparing with another old big camera.
Both great cameras but different one being a full frame, I think they are both great in different ways but that my opinion off course 😁🤷🏻♂️
@@MrSmileyshaun I just found as per the video that it was easier for me achieve consistent good results with the 5D; I struggled to achieve similar with the D200.