The Most Annoying Strategy? The Castle Drop
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2021
- There are many strats that can be annoying in AoE2, but none quite like the Castle Drop. It's tricky to stop and when it works... everything starts to fall apart. In this game I take a look at a special player who is going YOLO at a high level.
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22:06 "Even wheelbarrow came in right here" - Wheelbarrow was just researched to make those villagers walk a bit faster to their castle drop position.
I got hit with this strat literally yesterday 11
I was like "his eco is gonna suck, im fine"
And then "woah thats a big ball of conqs"
And then "gg"
Me dropping two Castle in front of the AI and almost lost all villiger: Hey, I've seen this one!
you don't need to fear the guy who trained 1000 strategy once, but the guy who trained one strategy 1000 times
Really happy this is here. I do watch some of the competitive stuff but i always find myself skipping through it, even hidden cup.
The stuff with a twist or spin are really what keeps me interested.
Twists or low elo players are a lot more fun to watch than expert ones to me.
Yea, the meta has become a little boring. Knights and archers, fully walled and then wait until one (team) snowballs. Maybe a drush and relics if it's an exciting game.
Or a 1 hour+ endless skirm-war as seen in hidden cup 4? 😁
Hard agree. With pro players, the meta is predictable and a bit boring. Low Elo Legends and the like give some unpredictably to the mix and make it worth watching.
Agreed. I don't much care for sweat. I like a dumb gimmick or a fun match more than perfect micro and meta build orders.
Not gonna lie. i like some of the other video styles a great deal.
But the Low ELO Legends will always hold a special place in my heart.
I havent played AoE2 in over a decade. I'm going to go install DE and play spanish and castle drop everyone
It never works out that way
i've died sometimes to sicilian douche, in team games!
@@dragovern Do you like to play black forest?
@@SD-pi9co in fact sometimes yes, but i play all maps e.g. arena, socotra, islands, arabia
Do it
How do the conqs not hit a single vill at 26:35?? its crazy how inaccurate they are
Yeah something has been broken with gunpowder frequently on DE. Back in January it became completely broken, then was fixed for like a month, and has been broken since March I think. Safe to say this is not intended behavior.
Even Stormtroopers have better aim.
It's been my experience in general with Conquistadors... they absolutely suck at hitting or killing units. The only use is to make the enemy run.
How I found T90 was by googling how not to place farms and archery ranges. Taught me a lot even if I have been playing for decades.
11
This series first brought me to your channel and been loving it here since. Thrilled to see it return
Here is a feature I wish they would create and add to the game: changes of line of sight by elevation: where you can’t see the other side of a hill unless you’re on it. Like line of sight extends if your on a hill and diminishes if your on flat ground or below a hill
+ stone walls limit visibility and half the pierce damage from archer
@@pierrebarrauddelagerie Yes.
Whoop whoop T90 pumping vids like crazy!
About time! The infrequent content had me experiencing withdrawals.
@@merlball8520 you can follow him on twitch, where he usually streams tuesday, wednesday, friday saturdays...
yeah, but my internet is not quite good enough to watch streams
@@blarch2 You could watch the VODs? It's what I do usually cause I can't catch them live
Loving it
AoE is tuned in a way that it's easy to harass but difficult to finish a player before Castle Age. An aggressive castle is one of the earliest valid ways of ending a game; the moment it's up, the opponent's eco suffers, their nearby production buildings become almost unuseable, and the only thing that can kill it is a ram push which has to be accompanied. You can survive a castle drop, but it almost always requires an expensive relocation of your base, a risky counter attack, or some other big play.
incredibly smart how he lured the archers out of the base so they can't sit under the tc to snipe the builders for the castle drop
I could listen to you commentate anything! Great analysis, so engaging, interesting, energetic! T90, you're great!
tea just isnt some nobody, he is a man of focus, commitment, and sheer fucking will
Chill dude, it's just a game.
100% reason to remember the name!
*sips tea*
Look up Low ELO legend, ClownWorld, for Korean Tower Rush, he is on like an 11 game win streak.
Never understood the hate against non meta plays.
I wouldn't call it hate. More like wanting to rip someone's heart out, feed it to ornlu, throw the rest of the body between T90 neutral-island ranges to rot. Hate? Nah.
Content keeps coming the last few days.
And I love it! :)
Conqs are supposed to be really strong, but in reality they suck against anyone who micros even a little bit. They will miss 90% of their hits, which makes them kinda useless.
You kinda have to hit and run in melee range for them to be effective. They are great at raiding and they also crush infantry and cavalry because they can micro forever and does a lot of dmg. I think gunpowder units in general should hit a lot more often and ballistics should affect them, it is a little bit sad that you have to play conqs almost in melee range when they do have a long range.
@@knasttrast7168 Increasing the projectile speed would also help. Right now they are really useless in micro battles. I only make them in specific situations, like in teamgames when I'm fighting knights/paladins or when I'm feeling spicy and I decide to do a quick castle drop landing on islands with Spanish.
That and taking 8 damage a hit from elite skirms really hurts until you have a nice ball of conqs built up.
Fun match, I love those chaotic games where one guy just goes for it relentlessly, without any real structure or plan.
The only times I've recently randomed Spanish on Arabia, I've either just done a standard knight rush, or, that one time I played vs. Tatars, went man at arms into 1 range skirmishers followed by a faster castle age into knights, elite skirms and mangonels. Which both worked, to be fair, but I guess I just need to do the castle drop and conq thing more often.
Very very nice video. I like this kind of strat, just simple but brilliant I think.
21:08~ around there placed the turret early because Tea pushed out the castle foundations so komtan saw it coming. It wasn't planning ahead or anything like that, just simply saw the drop of the castle.
amaizing video, I love how you talk in the games, very entretaining,, best wishes from Argentina
Let’s go! I do something like this in arena 🤣
Next Up: S-Tier Castle Drop with Sicilians
The most annoying strategy is Halb + Onager. It's like cheating.
very mico intensive though. and a couple bombard cannons can wreck havok....
23:00 OMG I needed to know this tip like yesterday elo. Thank you
ty T90 for your content. you are awesome man because of you I entered the AoE community and enjoy every second being part of it. you rock!
Keep up the good work T90! LEL series gives me hope
That is some nice utilisation of Spanish strenghts
Thats why I like playing Lithuanians, the leitis spear just impales the vills with one strike vs these concs firing 10 times at one
Imagine a function in CA where you can toggle on/off icons of any buildings or tech in the timeline. That would be sick
What would that do exactly? Genuinely curious.
@@paweborkowski6959 It would be great for casters for analyzing matches once they're finished. This game has too many things that matter along a game.
@@paweborkowski6959 I wrote this while I was watching T90 analyze the post game stats for 3 minutes
@@paweborkowski6959 Omg man you really are in the mood of discussing stupid stuff huh? I just proposed a feature acording to something T90 said.
Great job on the video!
I've enjoyed the extra effort you put into this. Commented and liked!
21:03 Sicilians are offended.
Thank you for making some youtube based content makes us feel like we're part of your community
Chinese should have extra gold cost for knights and the same additional gold cost applied to light cav: Historically they struggled to have access to horses. Theres many examples of this including them sending poeople to try and setup purchase agreements for horses with civilizations really far away.
Many ppl will tell you AoE is not necessarily about historical accuracy but the historical aspect was the major factor I fell in love with the game and kept playing it for 20 years straight :)
Yes, I wish there was a way to improve historical accuracy without compromising balance. Maybe there is. Not counting on it tho.
@@paweborkowski6959 Im sure that Chinese could be kept strong with the above mentioned nerf. Perhaps even more starting vills and a little starting food? I bet a historian could point out some strong parts of their army
@@reeceengineering3560 I would have to check but I worry that would create idle TC time. Or it would delay a lumbercamp+mill too much.
@@paweborkowski6959 They'd have to begin with enough food to avoid that
@@reeceengineering3560 Exactly. So maybe they could not start with less than they already have. I'll calculate that today cos i'm interested. Ask me tomorrow :D
So what made me wonder a bit... Why keep going with crossbows...? when seeing conquistadors I'd instantly go into kamels and light cav (Maybe spears) - especially when the rams came! (I know easy to say when not under pressure)
Three archery ranges making skirmishers would have changed the game.
Ah would you look at that! Just as I was trying to figure out which of my most fav 2 civs(spanish&chinese) I would like to play today...
This happened to me, and it was the worse. primarily cause they didnt try to finish off, instead put them far enough out to make it impossible to do anything but not enough to destroy you, basically forcing you to resign or deal with the pain
A lot of respect for komtan for fighting back!
Yeah, at one point narrowed the score from 3k to 1.5k difference.
Wooooo perfect timing I needed a video like that from you while I cook :)
41 mins of cooking?! darn
@@ikkw An hour of cooking a large pasta salad made from multiple ingredients with many I have to cut myself.
Dude thats just flipping the meta on its head and stomping on it. Insane.
I actually did that with tower build rush around my enemy tower center. And the opponent rage quit
I think something that gives someone like mr_yo his strength is that ability to be unpredictable. To understand the value in position and castles or towers in the enemy's face. It's not that he can't or doesn't play meta it's just that he can do anything. I think that in the future the best players will be able to do anything. On one level vipa is a little bit like that but not nearly to the same extent.
Mental game. Such a classic showcase of what an all in Spanish strat entails.
This strat used to be better with AoC conqs. But above that, I miss AoC towers. You could end the game with a good tower rush. In this game conqs were shown again to be too weak to end the game there. I'd buff them in castle age again to do better with archery range units, komtan could've committed to xbow+skirm production.
This is my style. I dont know how to eco boom. This is the way I have always played. Love it.
i love these unique strat vids
One of the few ranked games ive played was tuetons into goths and his infantry spam could not deal with capey boys even a little. Flemish revolution falls into the same hole.
I like your videos for youtube the most out of all aoe2 content out there.
Cool stuff bro
liking the recent uploads
What if Komtan had placed palisades in areas around the TC that precluded the building of a castle? Seems like a low cost way to mitigate this strategy, curious as to your thoughts. I suppose conq / mangonel could shoot foundations
The only way I have ever gotten anywhere playing Spanish is on a water map, preferably where there is no land route to your base.
Agressive castle drop using the Khmers is one of my main strategies.
Love the youtube targeted content! I usually skip over the videos that seem to be clips from twitch sessions. Thanks for posting this!
If you have well placed palisade walls around your base then it should be easier to react to castle drops and they're not always dropped right on your face. This match in particular seems like a very elaborate bait for komtan to create the right situation and opportinity for the castle drop.
I do like to see more content like this!!
15:35 with the viper it's 60 % offense 40 % more offense
beautify casted t90, i have been thoroughly entertained
I had a castle drop happen against me today. Totally shredded his army and he resigned because I was about to reach imp as bohemians and he was all open
Glad most annoying strat is back, it was what got me back into AoE2
It really does seem like conquistadors have worse accuracy than in the past. Is that confirmed or has someone tested it?
New DLC is up on the store page. Would like to see you make a video on the new stuff
It's not out yet.
well in castel age there was not rifling so the aim was not so good. it's right that they can't shoot well
NIIIIIIIICE. I only pick spanish too. im liking the fact there are other spanish lovers too. iSit and now this guy who is top 100. smh and ppl say they suck
Praise the love for the TH-cam channel with a like folks!
Never played this game but I find it interesting. Random first question: why is there a pic of a dude when a castle is built?
Portugese Arena castle dropping super effective esp with piano gun
HEavy Camels was a sick read
This game was fun. Loved Tea's style
11got castle dropped a few times myself!
Most annoying strat is lith 3 minute drush - the only way you can scout it by guessing based on score - and even if you think its coming you still need to spend wood on palisades and panic get boar before they lame you.
This is my take on it.
This one day I played a few games and lost like four in a row. So I decided to go for something whacky for my last game of the day.
Ethiopians
Send 12 to stone at the start of feudal, double range, produce as much archers as possible.
send out archers before castle age to clean up his scouts.
When castle hit I dropped 3 castles on his production buildings bought a fourth castle with severe market abuse and dropped it on the 2nd tc foundation as he hit castle.
creating shotel warriors as out of all the castles as soon as it is up. it was brutal the guy got mega titled so I had to kill everything before he called the GG.
Tried it a few times after that, never worked again
this was fun to watch
Castle dropping is really fun to do, but its not so fun to get castle dropped ;p
Inspiring!
So I'm just starting to play ranked after finishing the majority of the campain and I'm apparently settling in on an Elo around 1k.. Now I've been searching for low Elo turnaments and I found that you (T90) sometimes host small low elo turnaments. Are there any planned for the near future? Does anyone know more on that subject in general maybe?
Thx in advance!
I t think AoEZone has tournament listings.
@@guessthatsitthen4982 found it but nothing really regarding low elo (C-Tier turnaments)
@@199Bubi hm, I believe there are other sites like that, maybe someone else knows one for your elo range or google perhaps?
@@guessthatsitthen4982 tried both and had no succes sadly
Castle drop definitely seems like a frustrating one to fight. I'm a scrub that only plays pve with a buddy or two because we enjoy comp stomping lol
new meta
no horse collar
潮州 is a city in southern China
工夫 is Chinese KongFu
So his name means a kind of Chinese traditional tea, to drink it you must have KungFu
I have a strategy where I find the idea of playing AoE2 really fun, but then I don't play.
It's amazing that you mention Spanish is bottom tier.. I have always considered them VERY dangerous due to their Tech Trees Alone. They've got a Majority of every Civ's Perks (Hussars, Paladins and even a Majority of The High Spec-Gun Powder Units).. and of course; The Conquistador, I believe.. is the Second Most Deadliest Macro Unit in The Game (to my Personal favourites - Mangudais). In The Right Hands of course.
Chu Ko Nu is dangerous sure.. but on foot? In low numbers? Hardly a nuisance.
I do a castle drop with lithuanians about half the time. Around 850 ELO
It really is the aoe2 version of protos canon rushing in sc2.
Everyone gangsta until they see DauT smiling in front of your base
On the flipside komtan was tower dropping his wood line which is an equally douche move.
Thanks
that was awesome
I'm relatively new to aoe2. My friend got me into it, but has been playing it for years and is at a much higher level. He castle drops me every single game. Very nearly made me not get into the game at all. But then after the game when I ask him to go a little easier on me while I learn the game, he just says he's not so good at the game, so it's fine. Usually a good friend, but I don't like playing aoe2 against him.
I hate getting castle dropped; any kind of aggression from the opponent tends to put me into a panic. It used to be my go to strategy against the AI, though; make a line of castles slowly advancing into their base. :D
i don’t get this line of thinking. if nobody is aggressive how does the game progress?
This is not just castle dropping Tea played it brilliantly. I would just gg after imp lol
Always hated castle drops, now I do them occasionally.
Im so bad at this game but these are so fun to watch
I prefer krepost drop 2-3 of those can put quite a dent in anything and the fact that they can keep konniks pumping out makes them amazing
It's an annoying and cowardly behaviour for weak players.
I missed this series but it was kinda replaced by LEL
Early game Goth Militia/MAA-spam has to be the most annoying strat.