A Growth Mindset for Reptile Keeping | John Courteney-Smith MRSB - The Animals at Home Podcast
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- John Courteney-Smith MRSB, the Head of Science and Innovation at Arcadia Reptile returns to the podcast! John is the author of a series of incredibly popular reptile and amphibian guides including Bio Activity and the Theory of Wild Re-Creation® and his latest, Fire, the Sun & Its Replication in Reptile Keeping. In the episode, John expands on his concept of the 3 parameters of overall nutrition, including lighting/heat, moisture cycles, and physical and mental enrichment.
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ABOUT DILLON:
Welcome to my channel, Animals at Home! Here you will find the reptile videos I have made as well as video versions of The Animals at Home Podcast! The podcast mainly focuses on the pet reptile industry. My mission with Animals at Home is simple: To inspire others to push the limits of their reptile husbandry by promoting the importance of high level, creative husbandry individualized for each reptile.
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Try this at your own risk! I take full responsibility for the safety of this setup for myself but cannot recommend anyone copy what I have done unless you are willing to do the same.
What can you do this week to improve the care of one of your animals? Let me know!!
Getting a bigger enclosure for my BCI. With uvb and lots of hight and branches to recreate the wild❤
Love that!
On 7/19/20 I moved my ball python into a 5'x2'x2' bioactive cage. It has 2 Arcadia DHP's, a halogen, 12% ProT5 and a Jungle Dawn (all on top of the screen). I've already seen new behaviors and he even chose to come out on his own the other night (I view taped it!) He's basking part of his body (the rest is under a piece of bark) under the halogen. I can't fathom keeping one in a plastic tub, Voltaire is so entertaining to watch at night, he comes up with the most interesting ways to interact with his new environment. You, John Courteney-Smith MRSB, and Mariah Healey were my inspiration. Thank you for all of the important research and updated husbandry information you bring to light. I'd love to share a photo of it with you, just not sure where to do that.
@@danielleannis2519 I love this! THANK YOU for doing the work and spending the money to set up such an amazing enclosure...and actually, I have already seen it! :) I saw your post in on FB, I commented on it (my name on FB is "Dillon LW"), again WELL DONE!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Thanks. I hope you saw the whole enclosure that I posted in the comments and not just the part I showed with him basking. I also added another buried hide the other day. It's funny he buried himself under one of his cork hides and I thought what a great idea and made a burrow under it for him, lol. I'm working on the same size bioactive for my other ball python. I hope that it will be done in a couple weeks. I love listening to your channel, thank you for your hard work and dedication to improving the lives of animals especially reptiles.
Great job! Such an interesting conversation, nothing better than seeing the hobby progress! :)
Thank you, Rebecca! And thank you for the share, it always helps bump viewership 😊
Rip ziggy
What an amazing man John is, with animal rights and welfare at the forefront of his ethos he is a shinning light of hope for reptile care. That is exactly the example that needs to be set by the people with a platform in society. Not gaslighting arguments for borderline abuse in bare vivarium's and rack systems. Peace
Agreed!
Been marathoning the episodes with John Courteney Smith and I know this man is busy with his work but how I wish he could speak more on this platform! Thanks Dillon for introducing this well of info to us!
Thanks for bingeing the episodes, Jamie! 😊 I’m glad you’re enjoying them. John and I try to record one episode a year, we are due for a new one shortly!
Anybody waiting for round 3? John is an absolute lad.
We will eventually do one 😎
Been waiting for this one to drop. Will be watching it this morning. Thanks for the great content, Dillon! 🦎👍
Hope you enjoy it Cole! 😀
It's always fascinating when John is involved. Loved this.
Great episode, Dillon.
Thanks, Pete! Couldn’t agree more... John is a blast to chat with!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast i do my best to entertain..
this just poped up its 2.30 am, 6mins into talk n so excited alrdy! Amazing :)
Oh my!! 😱 well I won’t blame you if you fall asleep... as long as you go finish it tomorrow 😊
I found Johns comments about the fossorial skinks fascinating, I keep wedge snouted skinks, Chalcides sepsoides, and I find that they will expose themselves in the evening and particularly gravid females will openly bask on elevated slate underneath the basking spot.
Very interesting! Thank you for listen to the episode, I’m glad you enjoyed it
Man, I havent been listening to these latley.. because I'm too busy setting up my first paludarium!! I'm so glad I heard this podcast now (even though I'm late), now im thinking about the lighting of my enclosure. Definitely gonna look for a full spectrum light!
Oh, that's a fun project! Yes, you'll definitely want some full-spectrum light, especially for your plants :) I'm making a video about that as we speak!
Love these podcasts with John! 😁
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed it 😊
hope you found it helpful J C-S
Dillon, could you please clip that part from around 1hr 10mins in about the intelligence and particularly the "lower vertebrate" term and its connotations. I think that was so powerful and something that really should be brought to light a lot more. The impact and influence of language on peoples' perceptions of reptiles is so huge and I've said so often that many of the terms that are commonly associated with them is so negative and damaging. There is absolutely no reason at all why snakes cannot be associated with elegance, beauty, and majesty, for example. But in every day language, they are often connoted with ideas of deceptiveness and all its synonyms (which I wholeheartedly blame the bible for this being such a widespread thing lol). Along with sharks, I can't think of many other animals who are so widely misunderstood.
Fantastic idea! I was planning on clipping this episode up at some point anyway, I will add that section to the clips I plan on making. I totally agree with you that language plays a massive role in the way snakes are perceived in our culture's.
Just as brilliant as the first episode. There is no doubt still a long way to go in terms of spreading awareness on these topics but there is also no doubt that the information and advice out there now is so accessible. The only trouble is that there are perhaps just as many, if not more, misleading sources. And also as you both touched on, the nature of online communication can be so toxic but, as happened with the girl who commented about your cleaning enclosures video, we can pull them up on it and get them to think and act differently in a way that will only benefit those in the hobby. Though I think people are certainly more willing to learn and change their ways compared to years ago, which is great. Didn't mean to ramble and there is so much to talk about from this episode, but I'll just finish off by saying awesome job on another great episode. Thanks as always!
Thanks for listening, Harvy! We both had a blast recording it, and I think you are right, keepers are more willing to learn and change. It's a great time to be in the hobby!
I can attest to the benefits of UV and environmental enrichment even for snakes.
My florida king spends a large part of her day basking on a branch under her UV.
On the other hand my garter's enclosure broke during a move and I've noticed her colours faded over the week I had her in a tub.
Yep, it’s a key provision!
Well done, great video!
Thanks guys! 👍🏼👌🏼
Well, after watching both of your interviews with John I'm off to tear down my enclosures and start again ... it's long overdue. Thanks for setting this up and doing your part for the hobby.
I’m glad you had a chance to watch this episode as well! And yes… I almost always have the same reaction after listening to John speak. Good luck with any closure changes you make!
If you have any questions i will keep an eye on the video for a few days... post up, ill answer as many as i can J C-S
That’s fantastic, John! I’ll share this on my Instagram as well!
I wonder if the next version of the Arcadia Jungle Dawn LED bar could somehow incorporate a 12/24 hour light cycle with a naturalistic ramping up and dimming down, similar to what the Finnex 24/7 can do in the aquatics hobby?
I’m totally wondering the same thing!! 🤔 seems like it should be doable... I would love that
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast get my Dumbledore hat on... As with all things when done to be affordable, you can have control and less light, or lots of light and more control...
Last 10min where very important for me to hear. Haven’t had pet reptile since I was a kid now in my 30s and dipping my toe into the hobby with some anole marmouratus from capesterre. I’ve been watching them bc I can’t stop thinking about them and hoping the humidity is right and temps ect. But the male has been staying brown and now I realize I’ve been stressing them out 😮. Gonna block off a lot of the view with something and leave them alone as much as possible even tho it’s difficult. Excellent podcast.
Yes, that can be the most challenging part! But I think blocking off some of the enclosure will definitely help, thank you for watching episode! Glad you enjoyed it
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast quick question trying to get the lighting perfect. I have a t8 with 10.0 in it bc of mesh and 36inch enclosure and a ceramic heater to keep the heat up around 89-90 in top of the enclosure and 82 at the bottom. Going to get the jungle dawn led for plants and such also. but should I get a basking bulb too? Want to cut out the ceramic heater and have enough heat thru the light. what combo would you run for my babies slick back and tiff?
Yep, I would definitely run a halogen during the day (controlled with an outlet dimmer and/or dimming thermostat). If you need heat at night, then that's when you can use your ceramic heater but I suspect your night time room temp is fine. Have you listened to other episodes of the podcast before? If not apologies in advance for overloading you with a bunch of info! The 3 episodes below are crucial for understanding reptile lighting:
Lighting Fundamentals: th-cam.com/video/TqAVbP5ARVY/w-d-xo.html
Do Reptiles need light?: th-cam.com/video/EhbDx11OMfM/w-d-xo.html
The Importance of IR: th-cam.com/video/7Kgx57c7xFY/w-d-xo.html
This was amazing, could have listened to a 5 hour version!
😂 I knew you'd enjoy this one!
goodness, that would have been boring... ha
Now if we could have a look into air movement & quality and its importance to reptiles that would be fantastic.
This is something that I have been thinking about for a while, the lack of proper air movement within our enclosures is completely unnatural and forgive my anthropomorphism but there's something stimulating about experiencing a gentle breeze. Air movement also aids in plant growth.
Perhaps this might be another area that needs so focus so we can improve the welfare of the animals we keep?
Absolutely agree! I know John will eventually write a book on this topic. Fresh air/ proper ventilation have seriously been over looked in the hobby. I’m thinking of experimenting with some small computer fans on a few of my vivs. Definitely an area worth exploring.
@@douglaskelly5505 Attempting to replicate nature is certainly a bottomless endeavor, no doubt about that! My question to you would be: What process will/do you go through in order to determine/provide what the animal needs?
Love your content and your state of mind about keeping pets the right way!!! this channel is the best for this.I have a question about lighting, all spectrum from uv to ir in aquariums. Do you have any info of using special lighting for fish?Keep up the good work!!!(please invite for interview Brian from Brian Boas)
Thank you so much for watching, I’m glad you like the content. Unfortunately I’m not super familiar with aquarium lighting. But I’m fairly sure that most aquarium lighting does not contain UV or IR. I will look into having Brian on the show!
Nice episode, Dillon
Thank you, Ben!
Great podcast video. I learned lots of new research and information. I even got some new ideas how I can expand my knowledge, care and husbandry for my bearded dragon Venom and my future reptiles. Thank you to you and John for doing this amazing podcast as with our it I wouldn't of learned anything new and my wouldn't be as good as it will be in the next couple of days 🙂👍🏻
Awesome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! Every time I speak with John my mind goes crazy thinking of ways I can improve my enclosures hah!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast yes, he is a great guy John is inspiring everybody everytime he speaks about reptile welfare and care 🙂👍🏻
Delicious food for the brain. Compliments to the chefs. Books will be bought. Studies will be done. And changes will be made and measured! On earth, as it is in heaven!
Glad you enjoyed this one, Garth! John is always an absolute pleasure to speak with. We just recorded another one recently, it will be out in a couple of weeks
Just a postscript regarding the Arcadia DHP. My b.c. amarali’s enclosure consists of two vivariums joined together by a largish “tunnel”. The hotspots of the two are adjoining. I installed the DHP on one side, and left the existing ceramic on the other. Both heaters are above large flat stone slabs. At first, the snake put her head and a few inches of her body on the slab under the DHP. Some time later, I fed her a quail - a large meal for her. Since then, for several days, she has stayed close to the conventional ceramic, and has scarcely moved. It would therefore seem that the DHP offers no advantage: the temperatures under the two heat sources are as good as identical. In a post prandial state, I would expect the snake to seek out the more penetrating of the two heat sources. I will not be changine my other ceramics to DHPs as a result (my carpet pythons are heated by panels, as their enclosures are arboreal types and require a fair bit of heat).
Very interesting! I hope you keep both heating elements running for the next few months, I'd love an update in 6 months or so!
@Super Satanski No change so far; she still prefers to bask under the ceramic for few days after feeding.
Hey @arcadia.
Thanks for the feedback and mention of my Leppard gecko open top enclosure.
Would love to work with you guys one day in the future.
It's a very cool enclosure, man! You should do a video on it, maybe a short tour of the enclosure, how it functions, etc and post in on TH-cam! I'd add in to the cards/show notes for this episode. If you need an guidance, etc send me a DM on Instagram (I think I have followed you there), I'd be happy to help!
It is a wonderful viv indeed!
It be funny though having a let's talk like on social day 😂 might make many people think that's for sure, not excluding myself btw! Loads of knowledge given here, excellent 😎 cheers gents...
Thanks for listening as always! 😀
Firstly, great podcast, this never fails to inspire me to improve my setups and John and Arcadia Reptile have been extremely helpful with both providing information and the products to properly recreate natural habitats the best we can. Secondly, I recently watched a few videos from JTB Reptiles and he explained how halogen lights are best for all reptiles because they are supposed to be the most natural when used along with UVB. If I remember correctly they provide IRA, IRB & when reflected off things, IRC, along with full spectrum of visible light and UVA. However this means you have to turn off heating overnight because the lighting also provides the heat, is this okay to do with all reptiles? I understand they have a nighttime drop but my room gets to 18-20 degrees Celsius in winter at night because that’s the time when the heating is off. And also will this work well for plant growth or will I need a dedicated LED growth light? Lastly, if John reads this, is it possible to come out with a bulb which has a combination of all the possible lights needed for reptiles, (UVA, UVB, visible) so that when used with the deep heat projector there is a full spectrum of all the light and heat needed? Or maybe a few bulbs which are slimly built that can fit into one fixture? It is a bit annoying to get both the jungle dawn and the UVB and deep heat projector and then miss out on UVA. However if not, I will likely switch to halogen lamps.
Thanks for listening to the episode! A halogen bulb will produce lots of IRA, & IRB and some IRC (plus the additional IRC produced through reflection as you mentioned), however they produce very little visible light and no UVA. So really the best lighting setup currently would be a UVB bulb, a halogen and a LED bar for full spectrum visible light. In order for plants to thrive they really need to be exposed to full spectrum light i.e. a halogen and UVB combo will not be adequate for most plant species. Mercury vapor bulbs produce a wide spectrum including UVB but I have no experience with them so can't comment further. If John sees this he will fill in the gaps!
As far as turning off the heat at night goes- you could supplement nighttime heat with a ceramic heat emitter or heat mat as I do in this video: th-cam.com/video/fYBPrtIjdwA/w-d-xo.html but you should also take a look at the night time temperatures of the region you are trying to replicate. You might be surprised how low temperatures get in the winter (location/species dependent of course!). In this video I provide some instructions for replicating climate: th-cam.com/video/TTG08Y9rBuU/w-d-xo.html
Oh and all any UVB bulb will also produce UVA :)
Hi, there is no one lamp does all, not until we can harness the sun and put it in a lamp. We must use separate lamps for differing jobs. Halogen is wonderful, our PAR38 100w flood is my fav in that range, big, bold and a true flood. They are IR-A rich but lack qty of IR-B. They heat the air fast and impact the dermis. From a purist point of view, and certainly where we see the most positive impact is that combining of Halogen and DHP. The halogen provides useful visible light of an acceptable spectrum, very little UV-A, but welcome IR-A and warms the air through IR-C as heat is produced twofold via convection through the glass and the warming of the terrain. The DHP adds in essential IR-B and of course is the best source to use at night with suitable day/night dimming control. Your T5 full-spectrum+UV-B lamp set to provide the optimal UVI for your species will also provide useful amounts of UV-A and further increase visible light. Make no mistake, even Halogen and T5 together does not provide anywhere near enough visible light to impact the brain, nor allow plant growth. Indeed, they are detrimental to this as the UV and IR wavelengths alongside a lack of visible light are destructive to plants. We therefore need to increase PAR in order to allow plants to photosynthesise. Simply explained PAR is created by providing a full-spectrum of visible light in qty. If the spectrum is correct and the qty is high we have a high PAR. The higher the PAR the faster photosynthesis occurs, the more sugars are created and subsequently the more cells are created. For a plant to grow it must replace more cell per day than die off naturally, are damaged or damaged by heat and UV. IN this way, we use visible light to create PAR that allows an offsetting of damage. This is how to sustain plant growth. This will also greatly increase visible light which has a positive impact on brain function and inspiration to basking. All light is energy, as such, there is still a bioavailable use in reptiles for photons provided in the visible spectrum. For the very best systems it is the coupling of Halogen and DHP, T5 and JungleDawn-LED Bar that provides the very results in the most energy efficient way
Arcadia Reptile I know that these measurements may not be the best due to many variables that might effect it but
Sunlight has
8% ultraviolet
44% visible light
32% IR-A
14% IR-B
2% IR-C
Halogen lamps have
No ultraviolet
11% visible light
38% IR-A
39% IR-B
12% IR-C
Deep heat projectors have
No ultraviolet light
No visible light
8% IR-A
48% IR-B
44% IR-C
So my question is why do we want more IR-B if halogens produce more of it than what’s tested in sunlight, don’t we want to increase visible light instead? Is there a way to create a bulb that produces the same IR A and B levels as deep heat projectors and halogens in one?
@@gryllidaeperkcal1369 good question. You cannot in anyway compare sunlight to a lamp. They all work in differing ways. The only part of the spectrum that matches sunlight is within the UV portion of quality T5 lamps where the spectrum is a very close match now. I also do not agree with some of the data published regarding the DHP, no one really knows the spectrum as i have not released it and commercial spectrometers cannot measure it. This is the issue with looking at % of spectrum in sunlight and then against a lamp. The sun is colossally powerful, we may be looking at X % of a certain wavelength group, but as a vastly increased source and over a vast area.
Its oranges and apples as always. I can tell you that consistently, over near 10 years of my work with this tech that the energy that live animals display and colouration when exposed to DHP is higher than when just exposed to halogen or tungsten. These results replicate time and time again and in every single species exposed. We cannot always second guess nature! we know and understand very little.
We see and thousands of keepers see massive positive changes in activity, colouration, feeding aggression, predator avoidance, breeding and shedding when switching to DHP tech. AT the face of it, and with the approx spectrum we see online this does not make sense to the human mind. In reality it is true and marked and actionable very quickly indeed. Indeed, i cover this and some of the experiments in 'Fire' as a case study.
We then see a further increase in all of the above when the lamp is buddied up a halogen. Halogen is good for quick heating, is bright and wide and has IR-A and some IR-B, but i feel not enough. This is why we see such positive change so quickly when the combo is used. We have much to learn, more refinements to make and lots of compromise as we learn more about IR and visible light.
Arcadia Reptile I don’t think I want to buy another dimming stat right now. I guess I’ll have to look into a Herpstat Ez 2 in the future. Does this sort of setup put a strain on power? It sounds like there’s a lot of wires and fixtures involved.
For the algorithm!!
Yay! 😁
I wish arcadia would produce a Jungledawn lamp that could be effectively used in a ceiling mounted vertical incandescent fixture
Yeah that would be really interesting, almost like a flood halogen bulb but with the Jungle Dawn LEDs instead!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast we do, the 40w spot lamp. RAJD40
Love this... I started getting really interested in crested geckos about a month ago. But then I said - wait. I already have a uromastyx that needs a UVB upgrade and slightly higher temperatures in the hot side. How about I fix THAT and strive to have the healthiest uro in a 500 kilometre radius before I buy another pet!
That's semi facetious, but really not much of an exaggeration
That's the way to do it!
He has some wonderful insight and UV is essential and have been using it for years and of course the natural sun, yes one can take their snake outside and use it, it is free. Ahh but is that going to stress your snakes out, can only talk snakes as that is all l have. Stimuli out of the enclosure is as important as in their enclosure, adding all the bells and whistles is wonderful for them but it is sitll all about keeping them locked up in still a small space all of their life. l have a 10ft snake and the only way for her to get exercise is to take her outside or provide space in my home for her to get that exercise, yes letting her come out, which she enjoys and does of her own free will.
Absolutely! Natural sunlight and outdoor enrichment is huge!
What groups does John moderate in? Would love to join them
You’ll find John in Advancing Herpetological Husbandry and Reptile Lighting. Both are excellent groups 👌🏼
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast cool, already in both lol
Woow good terarium 👍 🤣
I think the best answer to people asking why you don't add predators is that your average reptile gets enough stress living in the home of a big ape tbh
Hi Dillon, it is very interesting when you speak about the psychology of collecting and our base human desire to want more and not be satisfied with what we have. This video will definitely interest you. th-cam.com/video/jgkZ7abzNa4/w-d-xo.html
Yep, Wally nails it in this one 👍🏼