Your honesty and transparency is the main reason why i'm following this channel and i hope it will never change. Great duo putting out amazing content, video quality is incredible too.
Its hard because a vehicle like this is a perfect example of something Id say is at the 90th percentile for the class. Bringing up the negatives is coming from a good an honest place to viewers and Acura. But its always gonna make someone upset.
@@savagegeese Your guys's plain honesty and clarity sure helps. I went with a TLX A-spec after rewatching your TLX videos several times, and I found the same caveats as you did - no surprises, no "why didn't anyone warn me about so-and-so", even after 3k miles.
@@TheLaw_11 ha. Bmw is just another mass market manufacturer. There's no prestige compared to Porsche or the Italian brands. I have a 2023 X5 so I'm not hating on BMW btw
I own an X7. It is more about luxury than the MDX which I looked at also. You save money on the MDX. It is sportier...more like a X5. But the X7 has way more luxury, more room, and the interior quality is a few grades above the Acura. I prefer the BMW inline 6 and transmission also. Both vehicles are good choices.
Mercedes, Audi, and BMW used to have an issue just like this when accelerating hard out of a turn with cars that had limited slip differentials. The issue was caused by the awd system and the ECU putting the drivetrain into "limp" mode for protection. The ECU would detect wheel spin and axle rotation ratios that were not compatible with each other and would put the car into limp mode until the car was stopped and allowed proper time for the drivetrain ratios to readjust(or when shifted out of drive). Putting it into neutral automatically readjusts the ratio. It's the same stress release you feel when your cars comes out of drive and goes into neutral or park. It's common on cars with torque vectoring. This issue is pretty much trying to prevent the damage that can occur to a drivetrain similar to taking your 4wd truck with locked diffs and driving in tight circles around a parking lot. You will blow your transfer case or diffs.
I'm pretty sure this is what happened to me at a BMW M Performance Driving School when I was in an M2 on an autocross course. I was going great and then...NO power...sad trombone music.
Good explanation. It seems a bit ridiculous to me to have mechanical problems and computerized solutions this complex in what is essentially a three row land-boat of a crossover. I guess it's a luxury/premium crossover, but it still seems to be getting ahead of itself. It'd be like a coffee machine stalling mid-pour because it needs to re-triangulate itself to the relative positions of Jupiter and Saturn.
@@0hypnotoad0 It's not a mechanical problem. It's a simple limitation of cars that drive all 4 wheels while suppling torque to them while they are all spinning at different rates. The higher the rotational speed, the less you can get away with this off-balance rotation between multiple wheels. It's what happens when you have an AWD system that can vector torque to one wheel at high speed while also limiting slip. This problem has existed for decades, we're just only used to seeing it in mechanical 4x4 systems like trucks and traditional SUVs, or high performance cars with torque vectoring AWD systems. Ever owned a truck? They have the same issue, only they don't have a smart enough drivetrain that can slip the drivetrain into neutral when it sense extreme ranges...they just crack open your transfer case or diffs instead.
Good point about binding. They do the same maneuver in almost every video (punch it from 0mph in a 90° turn) but other AWD systems do not seem to do this. MDX Defect?/intended preservation mode?/other brands will bind and eventually self destruct? Perhaps an issue with the rear end clutch pack stages not being able to gradually release, so the ecu just throws the trans into neutral for rear end preservation? It will be interesting to find out...
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@@Montblanc1986 thanks maybe I'll buy them now. The super liberal old owners were cringe. Comes to show they don't actually care since they just sold it to the highest bidder lmao
it is good to see a review that discusses actual problems and issues. That "neutral" gear thing could cause an accident. The coverage from vids like this will prompt acura to fix it asap. I've loved all the acuras I've owned, way back to a 1990 Integra! Glad to see the company keeping it up!
@@WesKidFresh its not in all versions of the 10at I can confirm. My Honda doesn't do it, although its FWD so full throttle while turning the wheel from a stop isn't advisable, but i don't detect anything but traction control intervention.
This car ROCKS. Coming from someone who traded in my $130k 2020 S-Class for this (just needed an SUV, and was tired of the MB electronic issues and over-engineering the simplest things)... I love this car more than my previous 3 MBs!! (2011 E350, 2014 S550 & 2020 S560).
@@fahadnadir2403 S Class is on another level.. whisper quiet and endless power. However, I find myself enjoying the Type S more just because you never know what’s going to break in the S Class. That thing is over-engineered… wayyyyy too many features and I didn’t use 95% of them.
Acura: “We made the Type-S for people who like to give it the beans!” Customer: “The transmission slips into neutral when I give it the beans😡” Acura: “Stop giving it the beans and you’ll avoid this ‘so called problem!’ Now go away!” 😂
MPG is the same as what they had in the video. I do floor it when from a complete stop to a corner and did not have the same reaction as they did. Will try it this weekend when the opportunity comes!
Ive had my TLX Type S for over a year now and never experienced the transmission issue, and I’ve driven it hard, especially out of corners and from a stop. The only thing I hate is the automatic up shift in manual. Info system you get used to, but it’s not ideal. Fuel economy is garbage as well, otherwise I love the car and never see myself coming the other way.
Same here: I own TLX Type S and I drive it very aggressively. I put 6000 miles and no issues with transmission at all: very quick and predictable reaction 100% of the times. I bet something is wrong with electronics there. Fuel economy is outstanding: I average 14.6 MPG, which is super cool to show to my toyotaprius friends :)
i got 11k miles on my 2022 TLS type S, love it. I do wish it weighed less for better acceleration and fuel econnomy. and really wished it had HUD lol but otherwise i'm loving it! but i do have rear passenger window not working haha
Thank you for pointing out the service issues. My experiences with Honda dealers are extremely similar - almost apple levels where they just tell you it's something you're doing wrong and the car is fine.
@@web apple has, and still does, have a reputation for not taking any ownership in bad design and/or flaws with their products. The gorilla grip is a great example, the horrendous butterfly keyboards are my favorite. I'm not talking physical damage or anything, it's the defects. Sure, getting another mac with a butterfly keyboard will temporarily get you back and working, but it didn't solve the issue. It's the unwillingness to accept that a product can have flaws and inability to admit them. I've dealt with Apple from an enterprise level as well as a few Honda products. They're the same. Until a bunch of people have the same problem and all make a big deal about it, they will refuse to admit fault.
As you pointed out, my old complaint with the MDX (and RDX) is the center stack design and infotainment control. I wish Acura would incorporate the cleaner and more functional design found in my Honda Accord. Other than that, I think Acura delivering a lot of value for the dollar.
Hey guys - I have a TLX Type S, purchased brand new with only 3,000 miles now. I started taking it in to the dealer with 2,000 miles on it for that transmission issue. My dealer 100% agreed that it was an issue and wanted to fix it, but Acura told them that it required “dangerous driving” to occur and for them to not diagnose further.
I’m not defending Acura but honestly beating on a car will eventually require something to be fixed. I agree the transmission should never have a problem like this.
Honestly, that dealership experience is up to par with what I experienced with my old Honda Accord. It had a steering issue that put the wheel slightly out of alignment with the direction of the car, but whenever I told the dealership about it, their response was just “meh, we don’t see it,” or “meh, we test drove it and it’s fine.” Understandably, the dealership considers themselves the experts on the car-especially when they get a lot of consumers who don’t know anything at all. They aren’t used to car owners coming in wanting to be educated about their vehicle. They also aren’t used to having to spend more than the minimum amount of time on what they consider a “niche” issue. There’s no care like that anymore when they have tons of cars to go through in a day.
Those mechanics are bottom of the barrel idiots. You might get lucky depending on what state your in, depending on the franchise but, I would never pull my car in to a dealer full of glorified Jiffy lube technicians.
I had a similar experience with my 05 TL a few years ago. Car went into limp mode on a WOT pull onto the highway. had it towed to the dealership since it was a computer issue most likely and my local mechanic told me to. They rebooted the computer and couldn't repliate the issue, and charged me 200 bucks. 2 months later, same thing happens. I kew it wasn't a transmission issue because it was a manual and it still went into gear fine and the engine was running good as well. got myself a 15 dollar code reader on amazon, pulled the code and researched it on the good old forums. Ended up replacing the throttle position sensor myself and it solved the issue. It seems like issues that aren't immediately obvious to dealer techs get brushed off more often than not. It's unfortnate, but in those scenarios I've always relied on someone smarter than me figuring it out and posting to a forum. The internet can definitely be a great resource!
Exact same issue for me and my steering wheel. I’ve also got a vibration that comes and goes, but they tell me the car looks fine underneath. Have not had much luck resolving any of these small but annoying problems.
We are getting close to a year with our MDX Type S Adv. We had an issue with the air strut but got it taken care of by honda. It is the best vehicle I have owned and love getting to drive my family in it. I haven’t experienced the transmission issue and I have driven it hard many times.
I have a new 2023 - and I have not encountered ANY transmission issues reported in this review. I use the wireless Apple Car Play 100% of the time. It links flawlessly without any cables and I appreciate the wireless charging. I have zero issues with the trackpad interface - I think it works perfectly well, and I never have to reach up to touch any screens and take my eyes off the road. As the reviewer stated, if you are using the Car Play - there is nothing wrong with this interface. The drivetrain is strong, the handling is amazing for an 3 row SUV, and the ergonomics are first rate. I agree with the reviewer - that it is truly a bargain compared the other 3 row luxury SUVs out there. Spectacular "Liquid Carbon" optional paint - far superior than the recent MB and INFINITIs we've had. Typical ACURA flawless fit and finish, and great styling. The ELS sound system is in a class by itself. I highly recommend the new MDX to anyone wanting a 1st class luxury SUV. You will not regret it. Last note - free maintenance for 2 years is a nice feature.
You’re mostly right. It’s an amazing car but I think it’s still underpowered. A 3.0t should put out more power. My wife’s Explorer does. My m40i does. The type s would be perfect with more power.
90% of dealers either: -Blame you for the problem, especially if you drive anything approaching sporty. "oh this is what happens when you drive "insert your sports car here" too fast" -Tell you it's "normal". "well it's 100 degrees and sunny, no car can keep up in this weather" -When the problem is too obvious and you tell them a car shouldn't break at 20,000 miles, then "every car will have some issues". Choose carefully who you support financially, because every time they get away with it reinforces the behavior.
This drives so much smaller and handles like a sedan. The interior in spacious and the third row fits my mother in law perfectly 😂. The remote start also turns on your AC, heated seats, steering wheel and mirror defroster if it’s cold outside. I would love the type s power train but I couldn’t justify paying $70k.
Totally agree...my wife was nervous at first about me getting her something this big because she text drove other comparable size SUVs and it always felt like the vehicle was turing around her. But when she drove THE 2023 MDX she was amazed at how small it felt. It was like driving a sedan. After experiencing that test drive, she had no problems with me getting her the MDX.
An expert Harvard-led research group found that people with high spatial IQs have no problem with the touchpad and get it easily. Conversely, those demonstrating lower IQs had a hard time with the touch pad and logic. The data makes sense to me 🤷♂
I had a 21 RDX A Spec and loved the touch pad. Once you're used to it I was able to do things faster while driving and it wasn't as distracting as touch screens.
@@bastinelli443 agreed. It does take a period of time to get used to. Although if I had my way, Acura would've kept the big wheel selector that they used in my 2009 TL.
I have known multiple people who had TL Type S cars back in the day, and every single one of them had very early transmission issues with their automatics. Everyone of them loved their cars, but everyone single one of them had to get rid of their car earlier than they would have liked due to transmissions issues. As a Honda loyalist this is very troubling.
Yet people love to talk trash about Hyundai/Kia. No car is perfect, some have more issues than others, but for some to say that Acura and Lexus are infallible is a lie!
@@philhenderson3516 That was in the 1999-2006 TL's 5 Speed transmissions, They haven't made that plagued transmission since 2006 and went to the 4 shaft design in 2007 and haven't had thousands of transmission failures since. Hyundia/Kia is no comparison to Honda or Toyota quality/value there's a reason they sell people on warranty and people fall for it, Any reliable car will get to 100k miles, If people are concerned with problems before that then they're buying the wrong car lol.
@@Partizan-one Not sure about the TL but the MDX's have been plagued with transmission issues, particularly the third generation made in Alabama. Some of those transmissions were even detaching from the carriage. Scary stuff.
Type-S owner here! The trans issue is a huge issue in the community, of our NJ Type-S community ~40% of the owners in the chat (45 Type-S’s total) are experiencing the same exact issue! I have experienced it since Dec 2021 when I got it and the only thing Acura has done is a new ecu flash for the fuel economy.
Ever since the Type S launched ive been wanting to get one but the 3.0T is so new that I wanted to see how well it would do long term compared to the legendary J series motor. I did drive one for a week and it was an amazing experience. Although if im dropping $70k I want it to be a smart investment. Thank you for this and I look forward to the next update!
re: transmission, I haven't had that issue after 5000 miles on an MDX Type S. I suspect what you've experienced is pre-production transmission programming that's already been corrected.
THAT transmission malfunction, right there, is a deal breaker. I'm not gonna purchase a product with a known default before they properly fix it. Otherwise like you two said, the car is great!
I experienced the acceleration stall several times at high-speed cornering, and it's not only disappointing but actually dangerous. I think it's a built-in safety net by Acura in order to protect you from yourself. It's not a deal breaker for me, as I really enjoy my Type S otherwise. ☺️
My family has been a Honda family since 1984 and my parents have been driving Acura exclusively since they got their first Acura Legend in 1995. My wife and I just recently went from Honda to Acura and the MDX was our first purchase. What an incredible machine. We went with the Venerable and reliable 3.5 L V6 and we have no regrets. This new body style is just fantastic.
Here is a fun fact, the first ever production Magnetorhertoerilogical Struts ever used, were in the Ferarrrrri 599 and the .... 07 MDX. Glad to see they nailed the lead to Air ride too, probably rides like a Ferrrari lol!
I've had one of these (the "base" type s) for about a year now and put about 10k miles. Haven't encountered the transmission issue but I likely don't drive it as hard as these guys. It has been comfortable, sporty enough and practical for hauling 2 kids around. Overall very happy with it. Complaints are below: * The infotainment is shit, still get annoyed by it every day. * The transmission I am not particularly fond of the way it shifts. Not even talking about that neutral issue mentioned in the video. It is just annoying somehow. * The lane keep assist seems to be get confused sometimes which is annoying. * Oh there is one issue with a steering judder on start up when it drops into the setting. It is apparently a known issue and they will be replacing the steering column when I take it in. * I wish the seats were more supportive on the sides. * The wipers seems to have a mind of their own. Lot of lag responding to changes and either too fast or too slow.
I’m an Acura tech and we talk at work how much people don’t realize how great acura has become in some areas. The engineering as far as engine components are so simple compared to BMW or Audi
Wow, that 2-3 shift issue is horrible! The MDX S was on my short list, and I suspect I would not have noticed that issue on a test drive. However I do like to accelerate fast, and I have several "turn and GO" intersections on my daily semi-rural-and-into-the-city route. 😨
Your reasoning for the transmission logic issues is actually pretty accurate. Working for a medical transport company did fleet technician & we had lifted Dodge Caravans 2016+ and they would do the samething at half or more throttle is turning more than 10° despite being able to corner very well for the added height (highway ramps or curved entry ramps). Basically dropping into neutral and then once straight, accelerates like a soccer late for pickup. Probably programmed for it.
I had a similar problem with my 2017 Mdx. I complained constantly to the dealer until the transmission eventually failed. It had less than 50k miles on it. It was replaced under warranty. But, the stall is back in the new transmission. The dealer is saying they can't replicate it. Great car except for the unresolved problem with the transmission.
The transmission on that car is garbage (ZF 9-Speed), I remember when coming to a stop it would jutter like crazy and there were some instances when you would floor it and it would hesitate to down shift (used to have a 2017 MDX).
Dude. You are the ONLY test driver that wears out the bottom of the gas pedal. MDX w/SH-AWD are really fun to toss around. That is the main reason my wife does not want me to drive hers.
Glad to hear this is (mostly) holding up. I came close to buying one of these after a test drive (inspired by your review!) ultimately I'm not sure the performance is where I want it to be for the one-car lifestyle, but that's more of a me problem than an acura problem. Everything other than driving like an asshole seems top notch at the price point. I'm curious to see where the gearbox issues end up, if that's common and not easily remedied it feels like a dealbreaker.
Personally i think the trans and engine are sub par enough where I would just get a x5(if you only need 2 rows) or a x7. The only clear advantage the mdx has is ride quality, seats and initial turn in. The cayenne and its upcoming refresh are still our favorite full size suv but the cost and lack of relative size are huge detracting factors
@@jackholmes8105 The BMWs do have a superior drivetrain - no argument there. But don't forget price & residual value if you're purchasing vs leasing. Combined with the other advantages you mention and it's the reason I think this is a better buy than either the X5 or X7.
The b58/zf in the x5 absolutely trumps the type s drive train. It’s the better driving vehicle for sure. But, when you option it with top tier audio, massaging seats, etc etc, you’re gonna pay like $30k more though. That’s the trade off.
I have 8k miles on my ‘23 MDX Type S. And I second everything you’ve said. Love the car overall. That said, the slipping into neutral thing happens to me often, because I have to jump out onto a fast moving street leaving my residential street. The street I jump onto is also a steep slope, and I notice it only does it when going downhill. If I turn the other way. I can jam up the hill with none of the high rev neutral thing.
Really good point about the dealer experience. I’m on my second Acura so obviously I like the products, but the service department is awful. This is a huge difference between Acura and true luxury brands. My buddy who has a BMW is treated like a king when he gets his car serviced. Acura doesn’t even try to make the experience “premium” or even good. For instance I purchased the service contract on my current vehicle and they ALWAYS try to charge me. Then I have to explain I have the service contract, they have to double check, etc. Totally unacceptable.
That transmission issue would easily get me killed or kill someone else unlucky enough to be behind me when I merge onto a fast road. This is absolutely going to get someone hurt or killed. I have fast roads by me where we have to turn left and there are trucks coming from the right. Fast acceleration is imperative.
They also program semi trucks to do the same thing. Contrary to popular belief, you can get a semi truck up to speed decently quick: Not with standing you're loaded super heavy. The computer sees it as hard acceleration and will stall you out in a intersection for half a second, before it accelerates. That why I'm pretty sure this is not a factory flaw, and has been implemented by some stupid effete weenie from the American division. As long as Honda/Acura keeps up this relationship I would never buy something where the R&D was done here in America, if I wanted disappointments I would buy only domestic vehicles..which is what Honda/Acura is according to their relationship.
Somethings never seem to change. My 93' Acura Legend sedan 5spd manual was a great car, owned it for 14 years. But from day one new, the clutch would often shudder. Drove me nuts and dealer deemed it normal! A co-worker bought the same year Legend sedan with the automatic and he complained of weird, jerky shifting. I've known Honda Accord owners who had serious issues with their automatics.
***TESTING FOR SHIFTING ISSUE: My wife and I have attempted to replicate the shifting issue of accelerating at full throttle after turning from a stop. Never has it skipped a beat and is very consistent and smooth every time. It was built in Dec 22
Given how good a deal this is from a value perspective, and how expensive the Jeep 3 rows have become (G. Cherokee L, Wagoneer, G. Wagoneer), I wonder where the line is for which is better. Especially because Jeep dealerships are more willing to put money on the hood at this point, and you, me and everyone knows that Acura is going to be better to own from a long term perspective.
@@marantamil459 I test drove a JGC 4xe after renting an X5 for a week and there really is no comparison. The BMW is much better built and felt more solid. The Jeep was also more expensive which was mind boggling. So I just bought the x5.
Bought a 2022. Broke down on the day of delivery. Towed to dealer 3 times, spent weeks at the dealer and broke down each time as soon as we got it back. Dealer lied to us about what the problem was and that they could fix it; Acura told us it was a known issue that they couldn't fix and that we could return the car if we wanted. Returned the car for a loss that Acura said they would reimburse us for, but then didn't. Will never buy another Honda/Acura product.
Definitely agree with the negative in mpg. I wonder why it is so low compare to the Germans, not just Acura, all Japanese V6s. It wasn’t a huge deal a few years ago, but gas price is in the rise, I wish Acura and do better on mpg
Not to mention the fact that Acura killed the hybrid version of the MDX, which is annoying. We have a 2020 hybrid MDX - gas mileage is much better than the regular version and it has more horsepower (325). Different transmission, of course - 7 speeds.
problem with this car is not the car itself, but the Acura dealership and lease program. This thing is $75k with advance tech package even with no markup, however even leasing this thing is $950-1100 which puts it into the X3M, X4M, X5 M50, Macan S/GTS depending on options, etc. range. Financing a $75k car is also ridiculous in itself with the absurd interest rate right now. also keep in mind; performance wise this is similar to a X5 xdrive40i which is similarly priced, but you can get one of those for $250 cheaper a month on a lease.
As soon as they became available, I bought my wife a brand new 2022 MDX tech to replace her 2013 MDX tech which had been absolutely bulletproof since we bought it new 10 years ago. Other than the lack of a touch screen on the new one we have no complaints whatsoever. I am usually very hesitant to buy the first model year of a newly redesigned vehicle but decided to risk it (Acura carrying over the tried-and-true V6 definitely helped with the decision). So far, we have put 15k miles on it without a single issue which says a lot for new cars these days. My relative bought a new 2022 Grand Cherokee L at the same time as has had multiple electronic and drivetrain problems.
Been waiting for this video to drop! I haven't noticed the transmission issue in mine. But I don't think I've turned left or right at full throttle either. I'll have to see if I can replicate it. Other than that I've only had a small issue with the A/C slightly surging back and forth based on acceleration/deceleration. Overall I've been really happy over the first 3k miles. Love to drive it, practical as hell. Fuel economy is lining up with yours though. Averaging about 17.5-18.5.
Regarding the transmission problem, that could be considered a safety issue. My guess is it is likely software related. When you do that specific action to make it repeatable, it just happens to be a scenario that wasn't programmed into the controller. I would take the service tech for a drive and show him yourself (since you know the exact sequence to replicated it every time). That way, they can feed that back to Acura.
Here because i have a 22' highlander xse red/red last of the natural 6, local dealer has a used 22 mdx type s white/red. You help me make my decision. Great review!
Jack is always pushing BMW, he likes the MDX better because he wants to be able to make it to the store and back without breaking down. BMWs are pretty cars but until they can make a car that won't be in the shop once a month it's a piece of garbage in my book, so many feel this way.
I had a sidewall puncture and the cheapest option to replace the OEM tires was ordering on tirerack and installed at discounttire, cost was right around $475 total in US.
$1600 to replace a cracked rim and the tire on my TLX type S at the dealership+ $329 to replace the other front tire so the both front would have the same treadware and not fuck up the SHAWD system. My tire and rim warranty covered $650 at least lol
The insanity today is remarkable. They pair that with the shocking contrast of such beautiful, big, expensive wheels with spraycan teenager style red brake calipers.
Great review, as always! For those that have a need for a performance hatch/SUV for the space, but don’t need the third row. What else would you recommend on the market?
I had (and still have, technically) an issue with my 2017 hybrid MDX where it makes a high frequency whine when the battery is warm. It's very noticeable to me, and I could demonstrate it for the techs using audio equipment. They had it in a few times, and wrote it off as "this is normal", even though I was needing to wear headphones while driving it was so bad. I 100% feel the "dealership ignoring the problems" experience with Acura.
maybe it's not an option for you where you live or your issue happened under warranty, but you could also take your acura to a local honda/acura specialist; when i do that they sometimes find/fix an issue the dealership couldn't.
Upsale Rep. There is no such thing as a "service rep". They are ONLY there to sell you extra shit you don't need and make more $ for the stealership. If you want to be serviced you are in the wrong establishment. Great review!
I drove the MDX Type S this week. It was like driving a computer running Windows 11 on only 16MB of RAM. I didn't attempt to induce the limp mode problem in a turn that you experienced, but there's a 1.5-second delay when pushing the gas pedal from any stop, regardless of whether the wheel's turned or not, that's maddening. Further, the comfort wasn't mind-boggling, and the acceleration certainly wasn't worth the additional $10K for the added performance and a few sexy badges. It did have good brakes, I'll give you that.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Service centers now (not all of course) don't bother getting technicians trained on mechanical skills and common sense troubleshooting. They hook up a scanner and if it doesn't spit out complete diagnosis for them, they say "no issues detected." Dude the issue is on video, what are you talking about? Had a similar thing with our used F150. Overheating, they try to tell me it's blown gasket that the tech sees visual external leaks, $5k quote. Meanwhile I throw in a $40 thermostat and back to normal temps. Come on, not everything can be read with a scanner. It's going to get much worse before it gets better, especially with hybrids and EVs becoming more prevalent.
I’ve had this MDXS about a year and just turned 18K and mine has never done this with the transmission. My mom has about 15K on hers. I’ll drive hers to test as well.
@@user-qc7dr3cd3q Geese is not driving it like a normal person. So possibly most people will never experience that. In any case that should never happen in a transmission
@@youngbrevy I guess I'm also do not drive like a "normal person." LOL In over 40 years of driving and I've long ago lost count of how many vehicles, flooring it at a turn is multiple daily occurrence. Maybe your "normal" persons don't drive where it is necessary to turn from a stop into fast moving traffic.
My old 08 RDX with a 2.3T 4 cylinder i-Vtec actually had improved mpgs the colder it got and I felt a touch more power on the butt dyno. I did add Hondata reflash and a larger ETS top mounted intercooler to my RDX. Acura really should have made the 3.0T MDX Type-S a Sport Hybrid with the 7DCT and +420 hp/tq. They could have even used the old 14-20 N.A. 3.5L RLX Sport hybrid powertrain with 377hp/341tq. The mpgs would have been around 23-25 for city/combined/hwy. It was only $1500 more for the MDX Sport Hybrid powertrain compared to 3.5L+sh-awd for the 17-20 tech or Adv MDX.
Thank you for this video👍🏼! It’s nice to see that you not curry favor with manufacturer. By being honest in critics you help Acura to improve! Completely agree that there should be improvements for Type-S:transmission settings improvements to avoid this pause in neutral after acceleration, fuel economy improvement, infotainment system- touch screen adding, normal gear box selector instead of buttons, no piano black plastic as it makes car feel cheaper. And maybe turbo lag issue improvements
Just speculating, but I rebuilt a 3 speed ford ATX FLC once that did this, even more so on right turns, and it was an inherent design flaw of the fluid pickup on hard left and right turns causing the throttle body to momentarily run on low pressure and not build up enough fluid to engage a kickup. The solution wasn’t to actually modify the pickup but replace the engagement spring and ball in the throttle body with a stronger spring and a lighter ball. The ill-recommended solution throughout the 80’s for these FLC transmissions before Ford came up with a throttle body TSB was to overfill the transmission. While that fixes one problem it causes others, most notably eventually blowing out seals, so don’t do that. Eventually there was a modified filter that had a relocated pickup but on a hard enough turn it still slipped out of gear, so not a fix.
Wanted to provide an update here. My Type-S has an issue with the steering. Lots of clicking and creaking when turning the wheel - in for a cable reel replacement. Hopefully that fixes it. Brilliant car otherwise.
Honda/Acura denies every problem always. Love their cars, but have had issues that where they have ignored similar problems to the point of me having to sell the vehicle.
Tbf that’s every dealer though. Any car I’ve had with issues regardless of brand they won’t do anything unless it’s something you can see or something very obvious
I have the mdx type s advance and after watching your video I tried to replicate the transmission problem but I couldn't get it to replicate in my car no matter how hard I jammed the pedal after a turn... maybe the one you got is possibly a lemon? :|
Being an MDX owner. I've expeiranced some annoiance with the transmission. Once they switched from the 6 speed to the 9 speed in 2016 that transmission for me has had many issues. Horrible tuning, super jolty on shits in fact in the exact gears 2nd to 3rd especially at low speeds around 20-35 mph. I have had the transmission changed and after a while this issue continued to happen. If you look up the forums on the 2016 module this issue is rampant. Funny how the HUD showed 37mph when it shifted to neutral. Honestly I like my MDX a lot even for 2016 but man that transmission is such a weak point and a huge annoiance. It is a big factor for me that has made me look for other cars and seeing the 2023 modules still struggling with transmission issues is a huge disappointment. They REALLY need to get on this.
@@davidm4099 According to the recent JD Power VDS data (2019~2022), Honda and Acura is not doing well. Of course, people saying JD Power data is not reliable. But the data sounds kinda right since Land Rover is always on the end of the list. My first car was Honda Covic. And I bought a new 2022 Honda CR-V hybrid last year. So... I hope Honda is doing well.
Funny, when i lived in chicago i used to go to the Westmont Mcgrath acura and they always couldn't replicate the issue either. Then i made a video and they believed it. I did have a great service advisor though, Edwin. So i think i may have been the exception.
I got a base awd 23 because it was a really good deal for me. Honestly, I wish I could have afforded a type s, but it would have doubled my car payment which didn't seem logical to me. I really wish someone would do a head to head race with the base 3.5 and the type s just to see how far off it actually is.
I had a transmission issue in a Mazda years and years ago - I forced the service manager to take a ride with me for 5 minutes to finally see the issue. My guess it the knowledge that it's a press car was throwing dealers off (not an excuse).
6:12 this is very similar to a common issue found on Kia stingers. Floor it from a dig, rev hits 4K rpm and no power for 3 to 5 seconds then gearbox upshifts, rpm drops then power is recovered. For the stingers it was the fuel pump. It’s sucks balls a performance suv can’t even go full throttle.
Have you had any issues with the A/C efficiency. I have seen a review where the A/C was described as struggling to keep the cabin cool during a hot day. I live in AZ and that would be a deal breaker for me.
I had a new 2000 Acura CL-Type S and I absolutely loved it - however, it went through (6) automatic transmission replacements in 3 years.. There is no way I will ever consider purchasing an Acura product. Luckily when I bought it I also purchased an extended new car warranty.. They make very pretty and engaging cars but just hearing this gave me deja vu.. feel free to google Acura/Honda transmission class action law suite.. it’s bananas. My car would shift from 6th gear to 1st gear on the highway (75mph) back and forth again over and over twisting and bending half shafts, it was crazy. Also, Acura will/would consider your method of driving a reckless contributor - and it’s what’s causing the issue .. (total B/S)
Do you think the wheel 'spin' sensors don't jive with the 'Super Handling AWD' rear torque vectoring differential and instead of doing the right thing the transmission's programming logic just says ' I'm Out ' ...... ?
Your honesty and transparency is the main reason why i'm following this channel and i hope it will never change. Great duo putting out amazing content, video quality is incredible too.
I appreciate that
facts
Its hard because a vehicle like this is a perfect example of something Id say is at the 90th percentile for the class. Bringing up the negatives is coming from a good an honest place to viewers and Acura. But its always gonna make someone upset.
@@savagegeese Your guys's plain honesty and clarity sure helps. I went with a TLX A-spec after rewatching your TLX videos several times, and I found the same caveats as you did - no surprises, no "why didn't anyone warn me about so-and-so", even after 3k miles.
"The more I've driven this, the more I've had buyers remorse on my X7" - That's a HELL of a compliment to Honda/Acura and what they've done here.
You've got the brand prestige of BMW so no need for buyers remorse lol
@@TheLaw_11 ha. Bmw is just another mass market manufacturer. There's no prestige compared to Porsche or the Italian brands. I have a 2023 X5 so I'm not hating on BMW btw
@@krzzzy19 The X5 and X7 are actually good. Not just because it's a BMW.
@@krzzzy19 ha. Porsche or the Italian brands is just another mass market manufacturer. There's no prestige compared to Koenigsegg or Pagani.
I own an X7. It is more about luxury than the MDX which I looked at also. You save money on the MDX. It is sportier...more like a X5. But the X7 has way more luxury, more room, and the interior quality is a few grades above the Acura. I prefer the BMW inline 6 and transmission also. Both vehicles are good choices.
Mercedes, Audi, and BMW used to have an issue just like this when accelerating hard out of a turn with cars that had limited slip differentials. The issue was caused by the awd system and the ECU putting the drivetrain into "limp" mode for protection. The ECU would detect wheel spin and axle rotation ratios that were not compatible with each other and would put the car into limp mode until the car was stopped and allowed proper time for the drivetrain ratios to readjust(or when shifted out of drive). Putting it into neutral automatically readjusts the ratio. It's the same stress release you feel when your cars comes out of drive and goes into neutral or park. It's common on cars with torque vectoring. This issue is pretty much trying to prevent the damage that can occur to a drivetrain similar to taking your 4wd truck with locked diffs and driving in tight circles around a parking lot. You will blow your transfer case or diffs.
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about! This should be the top comment!
I'm pretty sure this is what happened to me at a BMW M Performance Driving School when I was in an M2 on an autocross course. I was going great and then...NO power...sad trombone music.
Good explanation. It seems a bit ridiculous to me to have mechanical problems and computerized solutions this complex in what is essentially a three row land-boat of a crossover. I guess it's a luxury/premium crossover, but it still seems to be getting ahead of itself. It'd be like a coffee machine stalling mid-pour because it needs to re-triangulate itself to the relative positions of Jupiter and Saturn.
@@0hypnotoad0 It's not a mechanical problem. It's a simple limitation of cars that drive all 4 wheels while suppling torque to them while they are all spinning at different rates. The higher the rotational speed, the less you can get away with this off-balance rotation between multiple wheels. It's what happens when you have an AWD system that can vector torque to one wheel at high speed while also limiting slip. This problem has existed for decades, we're just only used to seeing it in mechanical 4x4 systems like trucks and traditional SUVs, or high performance cars with torque vectoring AWD systems. Ever owned a truck? They have the same issue, only they don't have a smart enough drivetrain that can slip the drivetrain into neutral when it sense extreme ranges...they just crack open your transfer case or diffs instead.
Good point about binding.
They do the same maneuver in almost every video (punch it from 0mph in a 90° turn) but other AWD systems do not seem to do this.
MDX Defect?/intended preservation mode?/other brands will bind and eventually self destruct?
Perhaps an issue with the rear end clutch pack stages not being able to gradually release, so the ecu just throws the trans into neutral for rear end preservation?
It will be interesting to find out...
Jack isn’t wearing Patagonia today, is he ok?
Hold me
Patagonia was sold off to a coal oil and gas company that spills chemicals on rail ways. They are now making jackets for coal miners and Saudi oil barons.
@@Montblanc1986 thanks maybe I'll buy them now. The super liberal old owners were cringe. Comes to show they don't actually care since they just sold it to the highest bidder lmao
@@krzzzy19 Agreed. I may consider a purchase now.
Isn't that sweatshirt Patagonia?
it is good to see a review that discusses actual problems and issues. That "neutral" gear thing could cause an accident. The coverage from vids like this will prompt acura to fix it asap. I've loved all the acuras I've owned, way back to a 1990 Integra! Glad to see the company keeping it up!
Wonder if this is a Type S thing, or if other versions of the MDX deal with this. Maybe even RDX and others
@@WesKidFresh its not in all versions of the 10at I can confirm. My Honda doesn't do it, although its FWD so full throttle while turning the wheel from a stop isn't advisable, but i don't detect anything but traction control intervention.
@@Superdimensional thats good to hear. Full lock full throttle is one of the joys of SH-AWD lol
@@smokesgtp yeah, I've done full throttle full lock multiple times and never experienced this.
I have a Tlx type S and have had this happened to me at least 3 times now
This car ROCKS. Coming from someone who traded in my $130k 2020 S-Class for this (just needed an SUV, and was tired of the MB electronic issues and over-engineering the simplest things)... I love this car more than my previous 3 MBs!! (2011 E350, 2014 S550 & 2020 S560).
How is the ride compared to S class
@@fahadnadir2403 S Class is on another level.. whisper quiet and endless power. However, I find myself enjoying the Type S more just because you never know what’s going to break in the S Class. That thing is over-engineered… wayyyyy too many features and I didn’t use 95% of them.
Acura: “We made the Type-S for people who like to give it the beans!”
Customer: “The transmission slips into neutral when I give it the beans😡”
Acura: “Stop giving it the beans and you’ll avoid this ‘so called problem!’ Now go away!” 😂
I’ve had my MDX Type S for 9k Miles and I have not had the transmission issue you guys are having!
Love the videos!
is the your mpg bad
Do you stomp it around a corner?
MPG is the same as what they had in the video.
I do floor it when from a complete stop to a corner and did not have the same reaction as they did. Will try it this weekend when the opportunity comes!
Ive had my TLX Type S for over a year now and never experienced the transmission issue, and I’ve driven it hard, especially out of corners and from a stop. The only thing I hate is the automatic up shift in manual. Info system you get used to, but it’s not ideal. Fuel economy is garbage as well, otherwise I love the car and never see myself coming the other way.
Same here: I own TLX Type S and I drive it very aggressively. I put 6000 miles and no issues with transmission at all: very quick and predictable reaction 100% of the times. I bet something is wrong with electronics there.
Fuel economy is outstanding: I average 14.6 MPG, which is super cool to show to my toyotaprius friends :)
@@sosimpleandrew tlx type s has poor speed but good handling, sadge
@@roboticvenom1935 I've seen people get 0-60 on the Type S in 4.8 seconds. That's still a lot of fun. If only the car was much lighter
i got 11k miles on my 2022 TLS type S, love it. I do wish it weighed less for better acceleration and fuel econnomy. and really wished it had HUD lol but otherwise i'm loving it! but i do have rear passenger window not working haha
@@prodnxbu it is a big car. physics wise its kind of hard to make it light. Its basically 5 series size
Thank you for pointing out the service issues. My experiences with Honda dealers are extremely similar - almost apple levels where they just tell you it's something you're doing wrong and the car is fine.
That's every dealer for every automaker. They all only acknowledge a problem when the car refuses to start.
@@maweitao negative. Toyota and Mazda have been stellar for me. Subaru is a wash depending on dealer
@@Suction_ for you sure not for everyone lol
Apple level? Wut!?
At Apple you usually get a full replacement on the spot for warranty claims.
Gorilla grip issue was a decade ago
@@web apple has, and still does, have a reputation for not taking any ownership in bad design and/or flaws with their products. The gorilla grip is a great example, the horrendous butterfly keyboards are my favorite. I'm not talking physical damage or anything, it's the defects. Sure, getting another mac with a butterfly keyboard will temporarily get you back and working, but it didn't solve the issue. It's the unwillingness to accept that a product can have flaws and inability to admit them. I've dealt with Apple from an enterprise level as well as a few Honda products. They're the same. Until a bunch of people have the same problem and all make a big deal about it, they will refuse to admit fault.
As you pointed out, my old complaint with the MDX (and RDX) is the center stack design and infotainment control. I wish Acura would incorporate the cleaner and more functional design found in my Honda Accord. Other than that, I think Acura delivering a lot of value for the dollar.
Hey guys - I have a TLX Type S, purchased brand new with only 3,000 miles now. I started taking it in to the dealer with 2,000 miles on it for that transmission issue.
My dealer 100% agreed that it was an issue and wanted to fix it, but Acura told them that it required “dangerous driving” to occur and for them to not diagnose further.
It's dangerous to drive it with that problem. Does the car have manual shift mode or paddle shifters that could be used to overcome this problem?
Sounds like you need to bring up lemon law and they need to take back the vehicle. F that for 70k. Shouldn’t happen on any car.
Yup, that sounds like typical Acura
@@robertdevoy3119 Doesn’t help with it
I’m not defending Acura but honestly beating on a car will eventually require something to be fixed. I agree the transmission should never have a problem like this.
Honestly, that dealership experience is up to par with what I experienced with my old Honda Accord. It had a steering issue that put the wheel slightly out of alignment with the direction of the car, but whenever I told the dealership about it, their response was just “meh, we don’t see it,” or “meh, we test drove it and it’s fine.” Understandably, the dealership considers themselves the experts on the car-especially when they get a lot of consumers who don’t know anything at all. They aren’t used to car owners coming in wanting to be educated about their vehicle. They also aren’t used to having to spend more than the minimum amount of time on what they consider a “niche” issue. There’s no care like that anymore when they have tons of cars to go through in a day.
Those mechanics are bottom of the barrel idiots. You might get lucky depending on what state your in, depending on the franchise but, I would never pull my car in to a dealer full of glorified Jiffy lube technicians.
Have had similar experiences at the Acura dealer
I had a similar experience with my 05 TL a few years ago. Car went into limp mode on a WOT pull onto the highway. had it towed to the dealership since it was a computer issue most likely and my local mechanic told me to. They rebooted the computer and couldn't repliate the issue, and charged me 200 bucks.
2 months later, same thing happens. I kew it wasn't a transmission issue because it was a manual and it still went into gear fine and the engine was running good as well. got myself a 15 dollar code reader on amazon, pulled the code and researched it on the good old forums. Ended up replacing the throttle position sensor myself and it solved the issue.
It seems like issues that aren't immediately obvious to dealer techs get brushed off more often than not. It's unfortnate, but in those scenarios I've always relied on someone smarter than me figuring it out and posting to a forum. The internet can definitely be a great resource!
Exact same issue for me and my steering wheel. I’ve also got a vibration that comes and goes, but they tell me the car looks fine underneath. Have not had much luck resolving any of these small but annoying problems.
With the HDR enabled, I could see the Acura engineers in the background testing the gearbox. Normally they'd be hidden in the shadows, thanks SG
We are getting close to a year with our MDX Type S Adv. We had an issue with the air strut but got it taken care of by honda. It is the best vehicle I have owned and love getting to drive my family in it. I haven’t experienced the transmission issue and I have driven it hard many times.
I have a new 2023 - and I have not encountered ANY transmission issues reported in this review. I use the wireless Apple Car Play 100% of the time. It links flawlessly without any cables and I appreciate the wireless charging. I have zero issues with the trackpad interface - I think it works perfectly well, and I never have to reach up to touch any screens and take my eyes off the road. As the reviewer stated, if you are using the Car Play - there is nothing wrong with this interface. The drivetrain is strong, the handling is amazing for an 3 row SUV, and the ergonomics are first rate. I agree with the reviewer - that it is truly a bargain compared the other 3 row luxury SUVs out there. Spectacular "Liquid Carbon" optional paint - far superior than the recent MB and INFINITIs we've had. Typical ACURA flawless fit and finish, and great styling. The ELS sound system is in a class by itself. I highly recommend the new MDX to anyone wanting a 1st class luxury SUV. You will not regret it. Last note - free maintenance for 2 years is a nice feature.
This man wins.
You’re mostly right. It’s an amazing car but I think it’s still underpowered. A 3.0t should put out more power. My wife’s Explorer does. My m40i does. The type s would be perfect with more power.
I appreciate the honest reviews. It will be interesting to hear what Acura does about the transmission fading out.
90% of dealers either:
-Blame you for the problem, especially if you drive anything approaching sporty. "oh this is what happens when you drive "insert your sports car here" too fast"
-Tell you it's "normal". "well it's 100 degrees and sunny, no car can keep up in this weather"
-When the problem is too obvious and you tell them a car shouldn't break at 20,000 miles, then "every car will have some issues".
Choose carefully who you support financially, because every time they get away with it reinforces the behavior.
This drives so much smaller and handles like a sedan. The interior in spacious and the third row fits my mother in law perfectly 😂. The remote start also turns on your AC, heated seats, steering wheel and mirror defroster if it’s cold outside. I would love the type s power train but I couldn’t justify paying $70k.
Totally agree...my wife was nervous at first about me getting her something this big because she text drove other comparable size SUVs and it always felt like the vehicle was turing around her. But when she drove THE 2023 MDX she was amazed at how small it felt. It was like driving a sedan. After experiencing that test drive, she had no problems with me getting her the MDX.
Once again, excellent. The quality of your content is light years ahead of most other automotive journalists.
I appreciate the honesty in your reviews and the technical analysis. Keep up the great work!
This video was one of the deciding factors in buying my type-s. Excellent work guys, you do car videos for real people and not just speedy bois.
These guys are amazing. This is the only channel where you'll get totally unbiased reviews.
As an MDX owner myself I actually found the touchpad infotainment to be pretty intuitive after a while.
An expert Harvard-led research group found that people with high spatial IQs have no problem with the touchpad and get it easily. Conversely, those demonstrating lower IQs had a hard time with the touch pad and logic. The data makes sense to me 🤷♂
@@TaiwanGolfer some are simply just designed poorly though. Low IQ software engineering team
@@TaiwanGolfer 😂😂😂😂
I had a 21 RDX A Spec and loved the touch pad. Once you're used to it I was able to do things faster while driving and it wasn't as distracting as touch screens.
@@bastinelli443 agreed. It does take a period of time to get used to. Although if I had my way, Acura would've kept the big wheel selector that they used in my 2009 TL.
I have known multiple people who had TL Type S cars back in the day, and every single one of them had very early transmission issues with their automatics. Everyone of them loved their cars, but everyone single one of them had to get rid of their car earlier than they would have liked due to transmissions issues. As a Honda loyalist this is very troubling.
>honda loyalist
>buys an automatic
Wat.
Yet people love to talk trash about Hyundai/Kia. No car is perfect, some have more issues than others, but for some to say that Acura and Lexus are infallible is a lie!
@@philhenderson3516 That was in the 1999-2006 TL's 5 Speed transmissions, They haven't made that plagued transmission since 2006 and went to the 4 shaft design in 2007 and haven't had thousands of transmission failures since. Hyundia/Kia is no comparison to Honda or Toyota quality/value there's a reason they sell people on warranty and people fall for it, Any reliable car will get to 100k miles, If people are concerned with problems before that then they're buying the wrong car lol.
My dad owned 2 TL type s when I was a kid. He loved them. Never had an issue. I never heard of that issue.
@@Partizan-one Not sure about the TL but the MDX's have been plagued with transmission issues, particularly the third generation made in Alabama. Some of those transmissions were even detaching from the carriage. Scary stuff.
We own a 2022 MDX and absolutely love it. We get 20mpg on mid grade, mixed driving. The car is a touchscreen away from being perfect
Type-S owner here! The trans issue is a huge issue in the community, of our NJ Type-S community ~40% of the owners in the chat (45 Type-S’s total) are experiencing the same exact issue! I have experienced it since Dec 2021 when I got it and the only thing Acura has done is a new ecu flash for the fuel economy.
What about a regular MDX? Any issues with those transmissions?
@@dune-t7211 Seems only to affect the Type-S because because of the powertrain differences and the trans tuning, regular mdxs should be perfectly fine
Ever since the Type S launched ive been wanting to get one but the 3.0T is so new that I wanted to see how well it would do long term compared to the legendary J series motor. I did drive one for a week and it was an amazing experience. Although if im dropping $70k I want it to be a smart investment. Thank you for this and I look forward to the next update!
re: transmission, I haven't had that issue after 5000 miles on an MDX Type S. I suspect what you've experienced is pre-production transmission programming that's already been corrected.
THAT transmission malfunction, right there, is a deal breaker. I'm not gonna purchase a product with a known default before they properly fix it. Otherwise like you two said, the car is great!
I experienced the acceleration stall several times at high-speed cornering, and it's not only disappointing but actually dangerous. I think it's a built-in safety net by Acura in order to protect you from yourself. It's not a deal breaker for me, as I really enjoy my Type S otherwise. ☺️
I've never experienced that in my 3.5 and definitely could tell a difference in tuning difference between the 3.5 and 3.0 MDX. Must be a type s quirk.
My family has been a Honda family since 1984 and my parents have been driving Acura exclusively since they got their first Acura Legend in 1995. My wife and I just recently went from Honda to Acura and the MDX was our first purchase. What an incredible machine. We went with the Venerable and reliable 3.5 L V6 and we have no regrets. This new body style is just fantastic.
Savageese is top notch guys I watch every single video.please never change your format, especially interior impressions first. You guys are great
Here is a fun fact, the first ever production Magnetorhertoerilogical Struts ever used, were in the Ferarrrrri 599 and the .... 07 MDX.
Glad to see they nailed the lead to Air ride too, probably rides like a Ferrrari lol!
And a 2002 Cadillac. And the 2003 Corvette C5.
@@sfpesq it was GM's tech in the end, GM and Honda share all the time, they are local to each other IRL
I've had one of these (the "base" type s) for about a year now and put about 10k miles. Haven't encountered the transmission issue but I likely don't drive it as hard as these guys.
It has been comfortable, sporty enough and practical for hauling 2 kids around. Overall very happy with it. Complaints are below:
* The infotainment is shit, still get annoyed by it every day.
* The transmission I am not particularly fond of the way it shifts. Not even talking about that neutral issue mentioned in the video. It is just annoying somehow.
* The lane keep assist seems to be get confused sometimes which is annoying.
* Oh there is one issue with a steering judder on start up when it drops into the setting. It is apparently a known issue and they will be replacing the steering column when I take it in.
* I wish the seats were more supportive on the sides.
* The wipers seems to have a mind of their own. Lot of lag responding to changes and either too fast or too slow.
I’m an Acura tech and we talk at work how much people don’t realize how great acura has become in some areas. The engineering as far as engine components are so simple compared to BMW or Audi
Wow, that 2-3 shift issue is horrible! The MDX S was on my short list, and I suspect I would not have noticed that issue on a test drive. However I do like to accelerate fast, and I have several "turn and GO" intersections on my daily semi-rural-and-into-the-city route. 😨
Your reasoning for the transmission logic issues is actually pretty accurate. Working for a medical transport company did fleet technician & we had lifted Dodge Caravans 2016+ and they would do the samething at half or more throttle is turning more than 10° despite being able to corner very well for the added height (highway ramps or curved entry ramps). Basically dropping into neutral and then once straight, accelerates like a soccer late for pickup. Probably programmed for it.
I had a similar problem with my 2017 Mdx. I complained constantly to the dealer until the transmission eventually failed. It had less than 50k miles on it. It was replaced under warranty. But, the stall is back in the new transmission. The dealer is saying they can't replicate it. Great car except for the unresolved problem with the transmission.
The transmission on that car is garbage (ZF 9-Speed), I remember when coming to a stop it would jutter like crazy and there were some instances when you would floor it and it would hesitate to down shift (used to have a 2017 MDX).
A transmission error that is so easy to replicate and consistently wrong should be easy for an engineer to solve. All it requires is effort.
And money for the fix
Dude. You are the ONLY test driver that wears out the bottom of the gas pedal. MDX w/SH-AWD are really fun to toss around. That is the main reason my wife does not want me to drive hers.
Glad to hear this is (mostly) holding up. I came close to buying one of these after a test drive (inspired by your review!) ultimately I'm not sure the performance is where I want it to be for the one-car lifestyle, but that's more of a me problem than an acura problem. Everything other than driving like an asshole seems top notch at the price point. I'm curious to see where the gearbox issues end up, if that's common and not easily remedied it feels like a dealbreaker.
Personally i think the trans and engine are sub par enough where I would just get a x5(if you only need 2 rows) or a x7. The only clear advantage the mdx has is ride quality, seats and initial turn in. The cayenne and its upcoming refresh are still our favorite full size suv but the cost and lack of relative size are huge detracting factors
Mostly holding up? Did you not hear them talking about that serious transmission issue?
@@jackholmes8105 The BMWs do have a superior drivetrain - no argument there. But don't forget price & residual value if you're purchasing vs leasing. Combined with the other advantages you mention and it's the reason I think this is a better buy than either the X5 or X7.
@Steven Strain That would be amazing, the gearboxes in the BWMs are so slick.
The b58/zf in the x5 absolutely trumps the type s drive train. It’s the better driving vehicle for sure. But, when you option it with top tier audio, massaging seats, etc etc, you’re gonna pay like $30k more though. That’s the trade off.
You can get really sideways in this. Do the pedal dance and put it in VSA maintenance mode.. it will slide without stability control interference.
I have 8k miles on my ‘23 MDX Type S. And I second everything you’ve said. Love the car overall.
That said, the slipping into neutral thing happens to me often, because I have to jump out onto a fast moving street leaving my residential street. The street I jump onto is also a steep slope, and I notice it only does it when going downhill. If I turn the other way. I can jam up the hill with none of the high rev neutral thing.
Really? Just how do the Honda's and Toyota's in your neighborhood manage the same feat? 🤔
This is the best real world car review channel hands down.
Really good point about the dealer experience. I’m on my second Acura so obviously I like the products, but the service department is awful. This is a huge difference between Acura and true luxury brands. My buddy who has a BMW is treated like a king when he gets his car serviced. Acura doesn’t even try to make the experience “premium” or even good. For instance I purchased the service contract on my current vehicle and they ALWAYS try to charge me. Then I have to explain I have the service contract, they have to double check, etc. Totally unacceptable.
That transmission issue would easily get me killed or kill someone else unlucky enough to be behind me when I merge onto a fast road. This is absolutely going to get someone hurt or killed. I have fast roads by me where we have to turn left and there are trucks coming from the right. Fast acceleration is imperative.
A part of me hopes this is just some sort of break in period transmission programming
They also program semi trucks to do the same thing. Contrary to popular belief, you can get a semi truck up to speed decently quick: Not with standing you're loaded super heavy. The computer sees it as hard acceleration and will stall you out in a intersection for half a second, before it accelerates. That why I'm pretty sure this is not a factory flaw, and has been implemented by some stupid effete weenie from the American division. As long as Honda/Acura keeps up this relationship I would never buy something where the R&D was done here in America, if I wanted disappointments I would buy only domestic vehicles..which is what Honda/Acura is according to their relationship.
Merging onto a Ny parkway or anything in New Jersey comes to mind
It is really refreshing seeing people that are great at what they do. Keep it up guys. Great work.
Somethings never seem to change. My 93' Acura Legend sedan 5spd manual was a great car, owned it for 14 years. But from day one new, the clutch would often shudder. Drove me nuts and dealer deemed it normal! A co-worker bought the same year Legend sedan with the automatic and he complained of weird, jerky shifting. I've known Honda Accord owners who had serious issues with their automatics.
Appreciate calling out that 2-3 neutral drop. Sad to see the Acura dealership give you typical Honda service.
Yes same here, my rdx has funky software, I dont like the trans shifting, Acura needs to look into this
***TESTING FOR SHIFTING ISSUE: My wife and I have attempted to replicate the shifting issue of accelerating at full throttle after turning from a stop. Never has it skipped a beat and is very consistent and smooth every time. It was built in Dec 22
Given how good a deal this is from a value perspective, and how expensive the Jeep 3 rows have become (G. Cherokee L, Wagoneer, G. Wagoneer), I wonder where the line is for which is better. Especially because Jeep dealerships are more willing to put money on the hood at this point, and you, me and everyone knows that Acura is going to be better to own from a long term perspective.
Jeep is getting better, almost to a RR level
@@marantamil459 I test drove a JGC 4xe after renting an X5 for a week and there really is no comparison. The BMW is much better built and felt more solid. The Jeep was also more expensive which was mind boggling. So I just bought the x5.
Bought a 2022. Broke down on the day of delivery. Towed to dealer 3 times, spent weeks at the dealer and broke down each time as soon as we got it back. Dealer lied to us about what the problem was and that they could fix it; Acura told us it was a known issue that they couldn't fix and that we could return the car if we wanted. Returned the car for a loss that Acura said they would reimburse us for, but then didn't.
Will never buy another Honda/Acura product.
I absolutely love that color, Acura really knocked it outta the park.
Looks like pee
Most beautiful SUV out there for me. I would get it in Performance Red
20k views in 6 hours. Incredible. Keep it up Mark.
Definitely agree with the negative in mpg. I wonder why it is so low compare to the Germans, not just Acura, all Japanese V6s. It wasn’t a huge deal a few years ago, but gas price is in the rise, I wish Acura and do better on mpg
Not to mention the fact that Acura killed the hybrid version of the MDX, which is annoying. We have a 2020 hybrid MDX - gas mileage is much better than the regular version and it has more horsepower (325). Different transmission, of course - 7 speeds.
problem with this car is not the car itself, but the Acura dealership and lease program. This thing is $75k with advance tech package even with no markup, however even leasing this thing is $950-1100 which puts it into the X3M, X4M, X5 M50, Macan S/GTS depending on options, etc. range. Financing a $75k car is also ridiculous in itself with the absurd interest rate right now. also keep in mind; performance wise this is similar to a X5 xdrive40i which is similarly priced, but you can get one of those for $250 cheaper a month on a lease.
i like this channel! buy a 2023 subaru wrx, their sales are down 40% compared to last year!
Savage Geese has me looking forward to Monday mornings, and these long term reviews are good.
As soon as they became available, I bought my wife a brand new 2022 MDX tech to replace her 2013 MDX tech which had been absolutely bulletproof since we bought it new 10 years ago. Other than the lack of a touch screen on the new one we have no complaints whatsoever. I am usually very hesitant to buy the first model year of a newly redesigned vehicle but decided to risk it (Acura carrying over the tried-and-true V6 definitely helped with the decision). So far, we have put 15k miles on it without a single issue which says a lot for new cars these days. My relative bought a new 2022 Grand Cherokee L at the same time as has had multiple electronic and drivetrain problems.
Been waiting for this video to drop! I haven't noticed the transmission issue in mine. But I don't think I've turned left or right at full throttle either. I'll have to see if I can replicate it. Other than that I've only had a small issue with the A/C slightly surging back and forth based on acceleration/deceleration. Overall I've been really happy over the first 3k miles. Love to drive it, practical as hell. Fuel economy is lining up with yours though. Averaging about 17.5-18.5.
I tried it multiple times today and was unable to replicate the transmission hang. It seemed to shift perfectly.
Regarding the transmission problem, that could be considered a safety issue. My guess is it is likely software related. When you do that specific action to make it repeatable, it just happens to be a scenario that wasn't programmed into the controller. I would take the service tech for a drive and show him yourself (since you know the exact sequence to replicated it every time). That way, they can feed that back to Acura.
I was thinking same, safety issue for sure in my book.
Here because i have a 22' highlander xse red/red last of the natural 6, local dealer has a used 22 mdx type s white/red. You help me make my decision. Great review!
Great! Under 50?
@harrytej not sure if you mean $50k or 50k miles. They will take $60k it has about 15k miles. A new buily similarly would be 75k
@@Nole4life1999 awesome, great deal
Jack is always pushing BMW, he likes the MDX better because he wants to be able to make it to the store and back without breaking down.
BMWs are pretty cars but until they can make a car that won't be in the shop once a month it's a piece of garbage in my book, so many feel this way.
I had a sidewall puncture and the cheapest option to replace the OEM tires was ordering on tirerack and installed at discounttire, cost was right around $475 total in US.
Yes Costco is 420 dollars. It's just an akward size.
$1600 to replace a cracked rim and the tire on my TLX type S at the dealership+ $329 to replace the other front tire so the both front would have the same treadware and not fuck up the SHAWD system. My tire and rim warranty covered $650 at least lol
@@tehpmd autorimshop sells a wheel for 500. Lol you got screwed.
The insanity today is remarkable. They pair that with the shocking contrast of such beautiful, big, expensive wheels with spraycan teenager style red brake calipers.
@@Dowlphin That's to catch suckers.
Great review, as always!
For those that have a need for a performance hatch/SUV for the space, but don’t need the third row. What else would you recommend on the market?
I had (and still have, technically) an issue with my 2017 hybrid MDX where it makes a high frequency whine when the battery is warm. It's very noticeable to me, and I could demonstrate it for the techs using audio equipment. They had it in a few times, and wrote it off as "this is normal", even though I was needing to wear headphones while driving it was so bad. I 100% feel the "dealership ignoring the problems" experience with Acura.
maybe it's not an option for you where you live or your issue happened under warranty, but you could also take your acura to a local honda/acura specialist; when i do that they sometimes find/fix an issue the dealership couldn't.
im glad you bring awareness to these defects because its tiring as a consumer to have no pull to get manufacturers to listen to us
Upsale Rep. There is no such thing as a "service rep". They are ONLY there to sell you extra shit you don't need and make more $ for the stealership. If you want to be serviced you are in the wrong establishment.
Great review!
I got to drive the 2023 MDX fwd Saturday and fell in love with the vehicle, didn’t feel at all like a minivan.
I drove the MDX Type S this week. It was like driving a computer running Windows 11 on only 16MB of RAM. I didn't attempt to induce the limp mode problem in a turn that you experienced, but there's a 1.5-second delay when pushing the gas pedal from any stop, regardless of whether the wheel's turned or not, that's maddening. Further, the comfort wasn't mind-boggling, and the acceleration certainly wasn't worth the additional $10K for the added performance and a few sexy badges. It did have good brakes, I'll give you that.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Service centers now (not all of course) don't bother getting technicians trained on mechanical skills and common sense troubleshooting. They hook up a scanner and if it doesn't spit out complete diagnosis for them, they say "no issues detected."
Dude the issue is on video, what are you talking about?
Had a similar thing with our used F150. Overheating, they try to tell me it's blown gasket that the tech sees visual external leaks, $5k quote. Meanwhile I throw in a $40 thermostat and back to normal temps. Come on, not everything can be read with a scanner.
It's going to get much worse before it gets better, especially with hybrids and EVs becoming more prevalent.
Transmission issue is a show stopper.
Any comment on the VCM?
I’ve had this MDXS about a year and just turned 18K and mine has never done this with the transmission.
My mom has about 15K on hers. I’ll drive hers to test as well.
@@user-qc7dr3cd3q Geese is not driving it like a normal person. So possibly most people will never experience that. In any case that should never happen in a transmission
@@user-qc7dr3cd3q yes, I’ve tried that. Honestly first time I’ve heard of this from anyone.
@@youngbrevy I guess I'm also do not drive like a "normal person." LOL In over 40 years of driving and I've long ago lost count of how many vehicles, flooring it at a turn is multiple daily occurrence. Maybe your "normal" persons don't drive where it is necessary to turn from a stop into fast moving traffic.
@@Sylvan_dB don’t get me wrong I don’t drive like a normal person as well. Most of the time I’m hitting red line lol
Transmission on my 2020 Honda Passport does the same thing. It's not new or specific to the Acura MDX. Dealer gives me the same response as well.
My Mdx Hybrid, even in Sport + mode, will cut power during hard turns. I'm not sure if it's the transmission or the traction control
Honest, objective as usual. That transmission problem would do my head in though 🤯
Thank you, the explanation is easy to understand.
Thanks bro
My Type-s TLX has done the same thing with the transmission. Good luck getting Acura to even remotely care about fixing the issue.
My old 08 RDX with a 2.3T 4 cylinder i-Vtec actually had improved mpgs the colder it got and I felt a touch more power on the butt dyno. I did add Hondata reflash and a larger ETS top mounted intercooler to my RDX. Acura really should have made the 3.0T MDX Type-S a Sport Hybrid with the 7DCT and +420 hp/tq. They could have even used the old 14-20 N.A. 3.5L RLX Sport hybrid powertrain with 377hp/341tq. The mpgs would have been around 23-25 for city/combined/hwy. It was only $1500 more for the MDX Sport Hybrid powertrain compared to 3.5L+sh-awd for the 17-20 tech or Adv MDX.
Thank you for this video👍🏼! It’s nice to see that you not curry favor with manufacturer. By being honest in critics you help Acura to improve! Completely agree that there should be improvements for Type-S:transmission settings improvements to avoid this pause in neutral after acceleration, fuel economy improvement, infotainment system- touch screen adding, normal gear box selector instead of buttons, no piano black plastic as it makes car feel cheaper. And maybe turbo lag issue improvements
Just speculating, but I rebuilt a 3 speed ford ATX FLC once that did this, even more so on right turns, and it was an inherent design flaw of the fluid pickup on hard left and right turns causing the throttle body to momentarily run on low pressure and not build up enough fluid to engage a kickup. The solution wasn’t to actually modify the pickup but replace the engagement spring and ball in the throttle body with a stronger spring and a lighter ball. The ill-recommended solution throughout the 80’s for these FLC transmissions before Ford came up with a throttle body TSB was to overfill the transmission. While that fixes one problem it causes others, most notably eventually blowing out seals, so don’t do that. Eventually there was a modified filter that had a relocated pickup but on a hard enough turn it still slipped out of gear, so not a fix.
Wanted to provide an update here. My Type-S has an issue with the steering. Lots of clicking and creaking when turning the wheel - in for a cable reel replacement. Hopefully that fixes it. Brilliant car otherwise.
Honda/Acura denies every problem always. Love their cars, but have had issues that where they have ignored similar problems to the point of me having to sell the vehicle.
Tbf that’s every dealer though. Any car I’ve had with issues regardless of brand they won’t do anything unless it’s something you can see or something very obvious
That’s why Acura is not a luxury brand… they are just Honda with lipstick
I have the mdx type s advance and after watching your video I tried to replicate the transmission problem but I couldn't get it to replicate in my car no matter how hard I jammed the pedal after a turn... maybe the one you got is possibly a lemon? :|
Being an MDX owner. I've expeiranced some annoiance with the transmission. Once they switched from the 6 speed to the 9 speed in 2016 that transmission for me has had many issues. Horrible tuning, super jolty on shits in fact in the exact gears 2nd to 3rd especially at low speeds around 20-35 mph. I have had the transmission changed and after a while this issue continued to happen. If you look up the forums on the 2016 module this issue is rampant. Funny how the HUD showed 37mph when it shifted to neutral. Honestly I like my MDX a lot even for 2016 but man that transmission is such a weak point and a huge annoiance. It is a big factor for me that has made me look for other cars and seeing the 2023 modules still struggling with transmission issues is a huge disappointment. They REALLY need to get on this.
I've been always interested in the Acura products and this channel satisfying my curiosity A LOT. Thanks for the long term review.
They are no more reliable like Lexus
Lexus, Acura, Toyota and Honda are top for reliability
@@davidm4099 According to the recent JD Power VDS data (2019~2022), Honda and Acura is not doing well. Of course, people saying JD Power data is not reliable. But the data sounds kinda right since Land Rover is always on the end of the list. My first car was Honda Covic. And I bought a new 2022 Honda CR-V hybrid last year. So... I hope Honda is doing well.
@@WiseTreee tru
Funny, when i lived in chicago i used to go to the Westmont Mcgrath acura and they always couldn't replicate the issue either. Then i made a video and they believed it. I did have a great service advisor though, Edwin. So i think i may have been the exception.
I got a base awd 23 because it was a really good deal for me. Honestly, I wish I could have afforded a type s, but it would have doubled my car payment which didn't seem logical to me. I really wish someone would do a head to head race with the base 3.5 and the type s just to see how far off it actually is.
one of these days...I'm saying....ONE OF THESE DAYS ! You will be wrong....but for now I'm happily watching your videos
I like how the driving impression section come second instead saved for the end.
I had a transmission issue in a Mazda years and years ago - I forced the service manager to take a ride with me for 5 minutes to finally see the issue. My guess it the knowledge that it's a press car was throwing dealers off (not an excuse).
6:12 this is very similar to a common issue found on Kia stingers. Floor it from a dig, rev hits 4K rpm and no power for 3 to 5 seconds then gearbox upshifts, rpm drops then power is recovered. For the stingers it was the fuel pump. It’s sucks balls a performance suv can’t even go full throttle.
How's the 3rd row in the summer time without air vents?
and 275/40r21 tires are not cheap to replace.
Have you had any issues with the A/C efficiency. I have seen a review where the A/C was described as struggling to keep the cabin cool during a hot day. I live in AZ and that would be a deal breaker for me.
I had a new 2000 Acura CL-Type S and I absolutely loved it - however, it went through (6) automatic transmission replacements in 3 years.. There is no way I will ever consider purchasing an Acura product. Luckily when I bought it I also purchased an extended new car warranty.. They make very pretty and engaging cars but just hearing this gave me deja vu.. feel free to google Acura/Honda transmission class action law suite.. it’s bananas. My car would shift from 6th gear to 1st gear on the highway (75mph) back and forth again over and over twisting and bending half shafts, it was crazy. Also, Acura will/would consider your method of driving a reckless contributor - and it’s what’s causing the issue .. (total B/S)
Mazda CX90 vs Acura MDX Type S please!
The segment is hot with Genesis GV80, Infiniti QX60, Audi Q7, BMW X7, Volvo XC90, Lexus RX350L
Savage Geese really eating it up on Long term Honda products.
Completely agree with their opinion, it's why I have one. Some of the best value for dollar out there
Do you think the wheel 'spin' sensors don't jive with the 'Super Handling AWD' rear torque vectoring differential and instead of doing the right thing the transmission's programming logic just says ' I'm Out ' ...... ?