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Where I live has a 60% tax on camera equipment. Resting in pieces
what country does that?!
I’m interested to know too
They must really not want anyone to document what's going on there 😅
@@biwabelNorth Korea?😂
I paid like 80 USD tax for my new Z5. I live in Armenia. I often bash my country's tax service, but it seems it is so soft than others .
Glass is the key.
Camera bodies come and go but vintage glass will always have value.
All the glass keep up the value. Even A mount pointless optics still cost used nearly the same (approx 10% cost drop last 2 years).
And some older cameras still hold up well, for example the Nikon FM2 is still a good platform to take photos on, plus Nikon still supports the lens mount.
Low price high value but Batman was filmed with an Helios soooo
Not really sure if this counts as vintage glass but my EF 400mm f5.6L from 1993 still works amazingly well with my canon R8. It’s amazingly sharp and the autofocus is decently fast and accurate.
Well,not really. I bought a brand new a7riii in 2020 for 1600usd and now, 4 and a half years later it costs 1300 used on local "craigslist".
for that same amount of money I would go for an a6000 or a canon r100. a killer deal on an a6100 would be the best option. lowest I'd go on sony full frame would be the a7riii, a7iii or for video the a7c since its the first one with eye detect for video
Same, getting an a6000 with a 33 mil f1.4 lens if all goes well. I don't have much interest in video
From Sony's a series I would recommend a6400 or higher since apparently color science for jpeg and raw is way better in later models
I don't do video. I've tried the A6400 and it seriously sucks at photos. I now have the a7rii. It's incredible at photos. As long as you don't shoot sports I 100% recommend it
@rizwanzaman1793 maybe instead of the prime look at the two kit zooms, then you have cover all the way from either 16mm or 18mm with the older zoom all the way upto 230mm. This is far better than a single prime. They can ghen see what type of photography be it just general/family photos, street photography, wildlie/sport etc then buy when funds available the primes best suited.
What camera and lens combo would you recommend a newbie for indoor video for gym workout, and outdoor kids playing (my son is almost 4 and I also want a lens for outdoor shots with a UV filter) budget the camera is 600 USD and lens is 200 USDish for each
If people think photography is expensive now, they should look at the later days of film. Good film and processing ran an average of $15./roll (36 exp.) and was higher than that in pro labs. I used to shoot 200-300 rolls a year and even doing my own black and white processing was spending up to $5000./yr. on film and prints combined. THAT was shooting with some conservation in mind. Now in digital, I can go out and shoot 100s of frames in a day, come back and delete 1/2 of them, manipulate at no cost in the computer, then print 10% of what is left at home (no darkroom required), spend maybe 25% of what I did in the film days, which adjusted for inflation is maybe 10%.
Yeah but 7 years ago you could buy and process film for under 10 euro a roll now it’s going for 30-40.
Yes, I used to work in a photography shop that became just an electronics shop. Cameras and good glass were expensive then, but cheaper offerings appeared more affordable to the average person, esp if you only shot a few rolls a year such as summer holiday and Xmas. If you shoot high volume, the bodies, faster computer with raid storage and specialist real photo printer makes sense snd is cheaper per shot/print. But for the average user it's over and the phone is it, no more prints.
It’s the videography that’s expensive
I'd say a good sub 500€ option is:
if you want mirrorless
Sony a6000 with 18-105mm f4 G oss (if you're lucky and can find them a bit cheaper) this lens is ridiculously sharp, has a great zoom range and is relatively inexpensive, however it'd be difficult to find these for a total below 500€
or
Canon 60D with EF-S 18-135 or EF 28-105 II USM (this second lens is an absolute bargain (
No way you just said the 18-105 sharp😅
I had the a6600 with the 18-105 F4 and yes it’s a great lens but very limited. If you are on a budget please consider an 50mm and figure out if you actually need the zoom. Whenever I got an Helios with f2 I was blown away with my own pictures.
Let's be honest, expensive cameras with super fast autofocus, large sensors with high megapixel count, and the latest technology will make it much easier to take very good photos with much lower effort.
False. Give an amateur professional gear and the images will still look amateur, just maybe a bit sharper lol. This has been tested many, many times on many different channels. I'll agree that gear is especially important for sports and event coverage, but for landscapes, portraits, street, product, etc photography then it will have little to no impact.
@@SuLu_B that's exactly what he said tho isn't it? Look, professionals use expensive cameras because they are geared more towards them and they are easier to work with and give you great results with lower effort, but with cheap cameras it takes Alot more effort to get comparable results.
@@DaddyM7MD That's not what he said and that's not what I said. I said that in certain applications that are extremely unlikely for an amateur to ever find themselves in, yes more expensive gear makes a difference. But for amateur users, 99% of scenarios will genuinely have no difference. This is coming from someone that shot on DSLR for 8 years as an amateur before moving to Sony mirrorless and having real autofocus I depend on as a professional during event coverage. In the short we are commenting on, he clearly says that for an amateur in an amateur situation it will not matter. That is what I am reiterating and agreeing with. If you are a professional then you should already know what gear you need and you should also know that lusting after more expensive gear won't make you a better pro.
@SuLu_B nah nigga, an old ahh camera ain't gonna help me get fast and bright images in low light. They can, but they're slow af on doing it. Not to mention the autofocus way better, of course clarity will be better, better image processing from auto modes. Yeah amateurs won't take advantage of everything the camera has to offer but it definitely makes it easier and better.
I’ll also add that the a7m1 for “$450” is considered by MANY people to be really expensive. That’s a ton of money to spend on anything. So even cheap photography is still really expensive.
Yes, you're right, but obviously that's a full frame camera. There are plenty of cheaper cameras available second hand. The advice I was giving was you shouldn't worry about buying the latest and greatest if you can't afford it, but instead buy an older cheaper model. The example I gave with the A7 was purely to demonstrate that older models are significantly cheaper than the latest ones.
@@TomCalton Alao some new cameras are far better value than other ie in Fujis case the X-T30 ii has the exact same sensor as their more than double the price X100V. I mentioned in another reply on here how many used Fuji are vastly over priced at present but the exceptions are the original X-T1, 10, 100, Sonys older high end NEX cameras like the 7 or 6 again are excellent value now all around 200 each some just over overs agoodbit under.
Absolutely true, but sometimes for a beginner maybe a middle priced camera will make you love photography more.
Sony a6000 used with a sigma 56mm 1.4 is a great starter combo for portraits.
What would be a good used camera for nature photography and videos?
@@zenshy2139 6400 used just because it has 4K
People seam to forget that great photographers 15 years ago didn't have the technology of today, and even lenses of today, they weren't around 15 years ago, so you could pick up a 15 year old camera, with 15 year old glass and still get great results if you know what you are doing, can assess the light in your scene, know how to compose your images, know how to expose correctly, and so on.
Amen! This guy gets what I'm talking about 🙌
Thats a different issue.... "less effort with a modern camera" isn't the same as "its too expensive" ... I'd value skill, ingenuity, creativity, resource-fullness with a 15 year old camera than someone who doesn't have any of that but has a 2023 model camera.
I've wager that someone with 15 years experience working on a 15 year old camera can still produce better, faster and with less effort than someone with a modern expensive camera who doesn't know what they are doing.
15 years is just a bit too far back but a camera from just a few years later ie 10,to 12 years back you have the megapixels ie at least about 12 better colour rendition faster shutter speeds in mirrorless etc etc you want a cheaper camera but not be struggling because the cameras technology is limiting as soon it may limit you far more than your ability.
Cameras like the older Sony NEX-7 still at 24 megapixel maybe the a6000 also the Fuji A series with at least 16 megapixel or now as Fujis used have gone through the roof an X-T1 maybe an X-T10 or 100 the 1 was a good semi pro with more features than a beginner would ever need and weather sealed. So many choices and we'll under 400 for the ones I mentioned add 2-3 hundred for two zooms and your set to start your journey.
This is exactly what i did! I bought the Nikon D7200 second hand, and its an AWESOME starter camera!
I have the Nikon d5100 with a 55mm to 300mm that I got for free can confirm they are great cameras
i start with A5100 600$ CAD. after a A7II 2000$ CAD I really love it but know I have the A7IV the différence is crazy and the possibility expand. Photography is a great passion and when you love something so much one days you find the money. I wish it to all of you. Am far AF from welt but the photography mentale desorder in me find the way to the money lol. good luck guys!
it’s true but when it comes to low light pictures or when it comes to ISO and shutter speeds then it really does matter of what equipment you have, it just all depends on the camera you have
Or ND filters
Lenses are in my oppinion more important than a New Camera cause I Take my Photos with a a7mk1 and they still Look so good :)
I had A7 II which is essentially A7 with stabilisation and now A7 IV, biggest difference is consistency (AF, good viewfinder, better low light performance), if you don't make money out of it you should be fine with cheaper cameras.
Unless you're wildlife photographer, then you need to get those money out of the pocket.
I dont know the prices around the world but where I live Canon 5d Mark 3's are dirt cheap. You get an amazing photography camera with a full frame sensor and also get amazing 14bit RAW 1080p video with magiclantern for around 300 dollars
You haven’t talked about lenses yet, and the cheapest collection of some prime or zoom lenses are gonna still cost you a chunk of fortune… I’m mean beyond $1000
It is expensive when the used market is non-existent and the normal wage is 400 dollars a month
You don't even need a camera like that, I use my smartphone and still people think I have a camera
Ah yes bcus 450 is so cheap. I had a budget of 150 and went for a 4000d used in good condition
My point wasn't that $450 is cheap, just that it's cheaper than $2500. You've even proved my point - you don't need to spend a massive amount of money to get started in photography. All the best to you.
@@TomCalton thanks and your point is obviously correct however my comment was mainly to bring up that 450 is wayyy too much in my opinion for a camera
@@Rizztech1450 is cheap
@@KevAlberta where?
I know you give this 450 doller as example but how can I buy it so cheap in INDIA?
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Very right, I started with a 12yr old canon dslr, then later upgraded to another 12yr old canon dslr, kind of funny how I went from one old camera body to another one of the same age. 😅😂
Unless you upgraded in the same year, wouldn’t the latest 12 year old DSLR be newer?
Try being a guitarist who’s also into photography, recording studio and computer nerd….😂 yeah I’m pretty much always broke. But I’ve got cool toys I suppose 🤷🏼♂️
I agree, it's still expensive though, 1000€ for a camera+lens+other_shiz combo is still quite a lot (saying that as an owner of a camera, 3 lenses, 2 tripods, 10 or so SD cards and a lot of equipment) It's a great hobby. If you're reading this and want a really cheap setup I would recommend a canon 40D with a 50mm f/1.8 (skip the kit lens, it really is boring, I don't like a single one of my 12000 shots that I had taken with it before getting other lenses) I would also recommend a tamron 70-300 f/4-5.6 Di VC USD. Hands down best 180€ investment of my life. It seems that every time I go out to shoot wildlife I get at least 10 photos I really like with it... (btw I use a canon 800D which I would also recommend if you have a bit more money for a nice modern camera body)
I only recently got myself an A7iii after shooting on a canon 5d2 for the past 2 years, definitely glad I learned on and still have the older camera bodies to drill in the fundamentals, and now I can take these skills to situations where I couldn’t compose as well before due to technical limitations (low light and fast action). & most of my quality glass is still EF mount, so I’ll be coming back to my 5D2 and 60D for a while 😅
Best websites for finding second hand camera?
When looking for a new camera I just searched for the specs I need
From here I am even more excited to continue learning about photography
I'm glad to hear it! Good luck out there.
Nah.. you can't tell me you can take the a7 and compare it to the a7iv, there's a lot to think about - mainly how many frames per second your camera can take. In my opinion under 10 isn't viable for vird photography for example.
photo quality will remain the same anyway i think that’s the main point
@@Yachii__x yes for a lot of things, but you can still miss important moment having 5 fps instead of 10 fps when shooting sports and wildlife(heck, even children)
@@WolfValor i think that will be up to ur own consideration, even so that type of photography is still possible with just 5 fps anyway. All about luck and skill.
Agreed! I picked up an a7ii last year and while under perfect conditions it could produce beautiful images. It would get exponentially more frustrating to use as the subjects I was capturing would move. From the back focusing issues, to slow boot up times, and garbage battery life, I was starting to get annoyed with photography. Then I picked up the a7iv. Completely flipped my perspective, making me excited to go out shooting. 95% of the time I pushed the shutter, I knew I got the shot. The confidence alone was well worth the price tag of the a7iv.
In terms of cost though, I think it’s about the max I would pay for a body. Bodies like the a1 being $6k or the r series cameras being an additional $1k+ should just be reserved to pros that have the business income to justify spending that much. Hobbyists don’t need to drop that kind of cash on equipment like that. And for people just getting into photography with a smaller budget, they need to stick with APSC bodies anyways.
The best way to improve your photography doesn’t even cost a dime: practice! If you take take a photo every week for a year, following something like 52 Frames, I promise your photography will get better than if you had bought a new lens or a new camera
My first decade of photography was done with a $150 olympus camera from eBay. I didn't switch to a new camera until a relative with more money than sense bought me a leica. I still use the cheap camera for low light because the leica goes to mush above 400 iso and has terrible image stabilization so I can't hand hold a half second shutter with it
But atleast the a7 is a very crappy camera. Poor battery life, poor autofocus, poor interactionpoints, like Evf, Buttons, grip. So what’s the point of having a camera for fun, that’s crappy. In that budget a dslr option might be better suited (e.g. Nikon d700)
You've completely misunderstood the point I was making. I wasn't suggesting everyone should go out and buy the A7. My advice was "buy a second hand older model" to save money. Then I proceeded to show an example of that with the A7 version being way cheaper than the A7IV.
@@TomCalton i understood you point very well. I am just saying, that you chose the potentially worst camera to make that point with and people shouldn’t consider the a7 as a cheap entry point.
You can buy a good enough camera from reputable source for around 100 dollars, and then a lens for around 50-150 depending on use case, it ain't expensive
Exactly!!! Buy from a trusted source too!! Second hand all day.
I spend 400 euros on d3300 and 3 lenses, plus a carrying bag, the kit lens 18-55, a Tamron 70-300mm (like 70 euros so pretty cheap but makes good enough photos for non commercial usage, and a Tamron 17-35mm, turns out the 17-35mm is worth more than what I paid for the bundle😂
Photography is very expensive. A set of ink cartridges for my printer costs 600 USD for example, a sheet of higher end photo printer paper is 3 bucks for an 8x10 (A4). Years ago I got into woodworking. It was so cheap I almost died laughing.
Nikon D300 - 60€
manual focus 28mm f/2.8 lens - 40€
35mm f/1.8 - 80€
55-200 - 50€
CF to SD adapter - 10€
couple of 16GB SD cards - 10€
spare battery : 10€
full kit for 260 bucks. Started with just the first two items (+ old 4GB card I already had + the adapter) for like 110.
Even if you have a SUPER low budget it's possible to get pretty decent cameras nowadays
Exactly! Thank you for your detailed breakdown - really helpful! 🙌
I have an A1 and an og a7.
A7 still takes great photos and it’s my go to for traveling, street and and still holds up professionally in certain scenarios.
I shoot vertical video for social media too and it looks great.
The Sony eye autofocus is a neat tool for beginners. Cheapest body with that feature is where I’d start given this hypothetical.
Its truee...
I'm out here shooting on film, lol. Would like to get a digital camera at some point this year, though.
I like shooting on film. It forces you to focus entirely on the moment.
@@TomCalton me too, absolutely. My camera is fully manual. I love making every shot count, and being completely intentional with every adjustment!
Most new camera features only benefit certain large TH-cam channels engagement.
Thinking of upgrading my second-hand 70D with a (maybe new) 90D, but I agree that glass would be a better option to spend money on.
Where can I buy the second hand cameras?
Great advice.
Yes, people always want the expensive camera like z8, a7IV,...but they dont see what they can do with some thing like Nikon d5600 or sony a6000 or even cheaper camera.
I used Sony a73, canon R but the nikon d5600 still amazed me.
Hey buddy where to buy 2nd hand camera in india.
I rocked a d600 up until 2020. But it served its purpose. For what I was docusing on the upgrade at the time worked (A7III 24-105 F4) that I still shoot and record with to this day. Creativity makes your work what it is.
Canon 750D in 2023 here. Bought 24mm and 50mm primes, a vintage lens from pentacon and got a 55-250mm for zoom. With battery grip and extras for the same price as a new 250D for example
Sir where I get second hand cameras
I got a Canon EOS 60D Body for 182 Euros
Which is a Bargain
Its Really Good Condition almost like New and it has only 6K Taken Shots
Yeah dude, I just bought an old XSI to astromod and it costed me $25 working!
Nice!
Im a Pentax user and I primarily use legacy lenses from the 70s and they work awesome! They are suuuuuuper cheap too, like I got a 28mm wide angle for £5
The sweet spot for used cameras that are still beasts is the A7R II, just picked up mine for $770
Same, its bit of a beast.
Which website is that?
Yes, I recently bought a used Sony A7 with three lenses and a flash for 60 dollars. I have used the micro four thirds system for some years and got really good photos, but now I wanted a full frame camera without breaking the bank. Enjoying it so far!
Where can I buy a good second hand camera?
It’s like buying your first car, don’t go for the Ferrari if you’re only going to drive round the corner
best places to buy second hand camera equipment?
I got a canon 30d and a stabilised kit lens for 100 euros. Yes it doesnt have live view or big resolution, but theres nothing wrong with it as a first camera. Speaking from a hobbyist perpsective.
Im gonna get a nifty fifty first, then i only need like two more lenses and im good
Nice one! Hope you're enjoying the photography journey so far 😊
One of the biggest mistakes I made when I purchased my first "real" camera was going for the best on the market. Mid 2018 I bought a A7R3 and I was not very good. I should've waited but thankfully I did get better with it. Now I'm just waiting for the R6 to release and I'll move on the the next model. I should've started with an A6500.
where can I buy those cameras at that price?
if you don't have the ability to buy a gear, you can start yourself first at shooting using smartphone. although it has a limitation. but it's a good start practice.
because in my experience, I've started first at learning photography using a smartphone then it took me 2 years before i get a camera.
I totally agree! Ultimately, if photography is something you want in your life, find a way of making it happen. There are plenty of options available without having to spend thousands. 👌
Yeah, absolutely. I won my last two cameras; Canon EOS M50 and just recently the EOS R50 with kit lens and my main body is a second hand 5D Mark III. Although the M50 and R50 are beginner cameras some of the features wollop the 5D Mark III.
older dslrs incl. kit lens are sold for around $100. i bought and old sony milc for $100, m42 adapter is around $10 and vintage lenses are dirt cheap, not that the native kit lenses are that much more expensive either.
really depends on what the user is going for. a7 is not good for anything thats fast. but it is good enough for landscap studio portrait etc etc.
the 2 main aspect that soak up money i found out thru out the years are low light capability, and sports capability.
so a person better off going APSC format getting newer body, scarifies full frame, but at least get usable shots.
You are absolutely right - well said 👏
a7 is nearly unusable today for portraits. It takes so much time to focus even on native glass. Catching any kind of movement will result in missfocus or blurry mess.
completely agree with you. its better to buy good crop than trash full frame,esp knowing that FF lenses are almost 2 times expensive.
From which website?
I recently bought a used Canon XT and its my first DSLR camera. Let me tell you, im totally in love. Took some plane pictures and i find it hard to believe the image quality❤
I know this is not photography releated but it is relevant to the topic
I bought a used 2005 sony hvr z1. It used to be top of the line since it was one of the first sony hd consumer camcorder. It still holds up today! The 1080i resolution is tv standard even now! The lens opens up to 1.8. And the zoom is also very nice as it has a motorized zoom ring and 2 zoom rockers. It even has expanded focus! It also has 2 xlr inputs.
If you (like me) think the new professional camcorders are way too expensive, take a look in the used matket, you can get a very durable 1080i professional broadcast camera with interchangeable lenses (for example the jvc gy hd series) for under 300$ with the right models
I followed ur advice and I bought a7 mk 1,
And in used auction
Bought these lenses
1: sony fe 50 mm 1.8
2: helios 44 with adapter for few bucks
3: minolta 35mm - 200mm
4: m42 Carenar 135 mm
5: 128 gb x 2 Memory cards
All for 430usd.
Need to buy
Bag for lenses and camera.
Lens filters
Purchased in europe
Not wrong, but I remember I saved for years as a high schooler for a Nikon F4s and lenses. I didn’t own any camera before that. The range of things that SLr could do was worth it and I took some good photos
As a professional photographer, I am still buying a second one😂
After my first DSLRs (which cost me £300 and £500 respectively) I wanted an introduction into full frame mirrorless. So I sold my DSLRs and bought the Sony A7 Mk1 and it changed everything. I did my first two jobs on that camera (with tons of batteries! IYKYK) and got paid work from it. Now I’ve got an A7Riii and A7iii which is more than enough for me now. But this video is right it didn’t start out as expensive.
In Brazil is 92% of tax on camera equipment
The problem is the lenses for me rather then the camera. I can justify the camera being expensive but the lense being 30% of the camera price is insane to me.
Sony lenses these days are much more than 30% of body price.
If you want great photos and photos only. Get yourself a CCD sensors DSLR like Nikon D200, Pentax K10D, Sony A200 and so on. They are amazing
I got a a7rii for like 600, I wouldn't go with a mark one, I would go with a camera that has eye af of someform now adays, th a7rii had it on a programmable button but was still better then nothing. But yeah, I think having eye af is super important since all modern cameras have it now adays.
actually very cheap cameras can take top notch photos too. early 2010 DSLRS are viable. However you lose out on some convenience
Well sports photography is expensive tho, it takes a lot of money to get just a "usable" image💀💀💀
Started with an A7 M1 last year. Ended up with an A7R M4 this year.
Comparing the picture Quality.... its not that big of a digference depending on the situation. But is way more easy to take puctures with the advanced Eye AF of the newer Models. But the Menu is so damn bad still.
The a7 is the cheapest mirrorless, but they forgot to mention the canon 5d mark 1, you can buy it for around 200. Slap it with a 50 1.8 and you are good to go
Photography is not expensive, neither are the gear, one needs to focus more on how to compose a video/photo rather than the megapixels a camera have.
Best first camera for hobbyist: second hand Sony a6000 with kit lens
Glad to know that I can consider myself as a professional
I did have the a7 m1 and after a while I stopped taking fotos almost entirely. Now I habe the a7 IV and it is way more fun and like photography again and more than ever.
meanwhile mine only cost less than $400 lol (used OG Sony A7s @ $210 + 7artisan 35mm f1.4 @ $170). bought them this month so idk how long either of these would last, but i'm enjoying the HECK out of it.
It is never the gear that makes a great photographer, it is one who conveys the story, who has the techniques, and knowledge. With very modest setups you can make some great images to share. Be conscious of your needs. Great lenses after you make the difference, a more modest body is last. Used is a fantastic way to go. With the exception of 1 camera which was an open box, all my cameras are used. Example is my Sony a7RII I got for $800.00, or my Canon 1DX a $6800.00 camera in the day, in excellent shape for $675.00! Lenses can be bought used too! Buy used, and save!
Lack of stabilisation on A7 is the reason I am planning to sell it tbh. A7II is better, A7III is still really good to use. Fujifilm X-T4 is hot as heck
🤨
- Sincerely, film photographers
Yeah ok but don’t recommend a super old a7i just cause it is full frame, you can get a much better camera for around the same price if you stay in the aps-c category (which is more than fine for 90% of people). For example, a used a6400 or a6500
can i adapt my canon lenses to sony?
yes
Is the A7R V not the newest model??
For everyone who wants to be a photographer - start shooting with your smartphone first. After some time you would know what you actually need
Only expensive thing about photography is the lenses.
Depends what you buy. I've tested some super budget lenses that are incredibly sharp for the price. You just have to be willing to sacrifice things like AF.
True, but I think A7 Mark3 is a btter budget-friendly option.
Yes you're right, the A7III is a great camera if you have the budget for it.
It mainly comes down to the camera
Got an FV 10 and a 16mm sigma, thats like just 1K, also got some vintage 35mm and 44mm lenses for photography and let me tell you, your ability and the use of light and space is much more important
You can also buy a d3200 for like $300
so where i am a camera body like the 5d mark iii costs about $1000 the a7 you spoke about is at least $500-800