Making Kanto's Gym Leaders as BAD as POSSIBLE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Pokemon Gym Leaders are typically pretty bad, but what if we made them WORSE? That's right, today we're going to make Kanto's gym leaders as pathetic as possible. People often try to fix these powerful trainers by creating ideal teams, so let's create the worst possible teams instead!
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i always see people making gym leaders stronger, but never weaker, this is so creative
Thank you :)
Well actually mandjtv did a what if the 8th gym of every region was the first one
But this is kinda original since you do every gym
@@michaelyanni6061 thats different because he didnt make them bad, he just made them easy as in first gym easy
@@blepleb I wonder what mandjtv would do for this type of video?
I can't believe Martin isn't real
Was definitely the biggest twist of the video. They both rolled with the joke so seamlessly that I didn't even question it.
Not yet, anyway
@@DeliciousJameswhat are you planning
@@DeliciousJames how could you do this? How could you just make up Maxwell?
biggest plot twist in the world
worry seed and sleep sleep powder is a sick combo... its like taking a laxative and a stool hardener
I see what you did there.
😂😂 That's good! 🤣🤣
The true worst gym leader was the friends we made along the way…
In Ash's case, the true friends were the gym leaders he met along the way
Assuming they'd even be friends with us after doing this to them all
misty was a pretty close second tho
Be honest- did you base this entire video off of the “useless endeavour” joke?
......mayhaps
Most likely
Wouldn’t be surprises they made the gen rule just to make that joke
That Vibrava could be quite dangerous, since it can paralyze, confuse and trap you.
Now, obviously the paralysis and confusion chance are incredibly low, and Vibrava has zero bulk and will die to anything. It's also not very fast.
But it can dream big, even if those are nothing more than dreams, and it's more than most of his teammates can do (because Gligar could land every single guillotine without being killed before it happens too, but that's even less likely)
Thats a good point! Id just love vibrava to overcome all odds and become the ultimate opponent
Actually Dragon Breath is a 30% to Paralysis same chance as Scald to Burn!!!
I've often thought, if making a romhack, that Vinrava might make a really interesting ace for the first gym leader.
The thumbnail is inaccurate, putting googly eyes on things makes them automatically better
Some errors in the video:
- Fake Out is Normal-type not Dark
- Despite you said that you will consider only things up until Generation 3, there are some Generation 4 moves like Worry Seed, Brine, Payback, Psycho Cut, Miracle Eye, Natural Gift, Fire Fang, X-Scissor, Earth Power, Dark Pulse and Rock Polish
7:35 dream eater is shown as a ghost type move, despite being psychic type (it's shown correctly at 8:02)
Several of these also aren't coming off of their Gen III learnsets, such as Houndoom with Fire Fang and Beat Up.
With so many errors, i have no reason to watch it. Seems like they did 0 research then
Also they say with onyx that double edge will put it out of its misery faster but it’s shown to have the ability rock head? That stops all recoil damage 15:52
I assume that they used mons up until Gen 3, but then used movesets up until Gen 4. They specified that they would be including the physical-special split, after all.
The TM thing, they should have at least had to have one TM that they were going to give to the Trainer after the Trainer wins.
Agreed; most of the time the Gym Leaders slap that TM onto all their Pokémon because they love that move so much. So... they should be given _the worst_ TM possible that fits all their mons.
I was so confused at that part hahaha. Like do they think the gym leaders just popped into existence? They very obviously were successful trainers in their own right before becoming gym leaders. I'm not sure why they'd think they wouldn't have access to TMs and egg moves. Realistically they would be the ones most into min maxing their Pokemon.
@@SilharaTheChosenGenerations shows them more as becoming a test to trainers, with Brock deliberately choosing two pokemon to challenge Red. In the same way a teacher won't ask obscure questions to try and fail the class, the gym leaders wouldn't intentionally sabotage themselves like this, but they aren't going to min-max their stats
@@Meteorite_Shower Sabrina already gives out the worst TM possible with Psywave. I could hardly think of a more useless psychic move if I wanted to. Its especially a waste on her high special Pokemon.
@@Prisoner-gk6lrI'm pretty sure she gives you Calm Mind in FRLG
A way to make Surge worst is to only give him mons with 4 electric moves and max PP, so as long you pack 1 diglett from the cave he literally can not touch you :3
Please do this with more gym leaders!
(And maybe E4 + Champion?)
Lorelei gets 5 delibird
I don't know what's worse, these Gym Leaders or Peter lying about having a nephew
I'd love to see this turned into a series! This is a fun concept that not many have tackled like you said. Good C O N T E N T ✨️
I'd be interested in trying it out with gen 2!
@@DeliciousJames It'd be interesting to see how you could possibly make Falkner worse...
@@Hijiri_MIRACHION two farfetch'd
Everyone asks "Where's Viridian's gym leader, never how is Viridian's gym leader". Much worse now.
"i dunno i made him up" is such a strong line to end on
Improving Gym Leaders: I sleep
Make them as bad as possible: I wake.
These teams are so bad even the worms have a chance.
Now we just need a ROM hack featuring these new teams…
THAT WOULD BR SO FUNNY
it’s called like pokemon sh*ttygreen version
@@citrus_yellowmore like Pokémon baby green
10:59 Beat up's whole gimmick is that it uses every team member's attack.
They changed Beat Up in Gen 5 to only use the user's attack stat. For the sake of this video, it should still work the way you're thinking, but I can't really blame James if he didn't realize it worked like that.
yes, and the other 3 pokemon on the team have even lower attack than Houndoom does, I don't fully understand your point
@@thesirensystem Why have it on the first pokémon?
That's free damage for no disenable reason.
@@thesirensystem If you switch the Growlithe and Houndoom around
All that changes is that Houndoom deals less damage.
Thus having Beat Up on the first pokemon is still a mistake.
@@H1_R3Z Huh. That's a weird change.
You should've given Koga's Weepinbell Sleep Powder, to set up for the Haunter before it.
Are you allowed to pick abilities? Because Onix’s is showing as Rock Head, which is actually not bad since it’s stuck with Double Edge, whereas Sturdy will just let it stall for a bit longer.
Before Gen 5, all Sturdy did was negate OHKO moves. So Sturdy is definitely the better choice there.
Guillotine simply fails if the user is lower level than the target, so Gligar should be Giovanni's second pokemon so it's at the lowest level
Excellent premise, please do more. I can't even imagine how you'd make most Johto gym leaders weaker.
Fun Fact: Surge canonically likes cute Pokemon, one of his favourites in HG/SS is Pachirisu
6:09 fake out is totally dark type and super effective against psychic type 😂😂
To be fair, hitting unexpectedly the moment you come out does sound like a dirty move.
You two are the masters of PokéPuns 👏🏼
When they said id be a pokemon master, this isnt what I envisioned. But i welcome it
This is by far the best subversion of this topic that I've seen. It's incredible. Keep up the amazing work.
The subtle "oh no" when qwilfish was mentioned was amazing
Wait, if the teams and movesets are based of frlg...how does Koga's qwilfish have brine? That's a 4th gen move
koga is hacking. He's just really really bad at it
I need a “lowest level bid” contest. Each of you secret auction bid for the lowest level team that you think could beat each gym leader. If you win you add the level of your pokemon to your score, if you lose you add 100 per pokemon that you used in the battle. Low score wins.
This video is fantastic. Great editing and commentary! I wouldn't have thought making the Gym Leaders bad would be an interesting or humorous concept but you both make it so. :)
Wait which episode are those Giovanni dancing clips from? XD
I'm not sure, I just found the gif on google. But I would assume from the ruby/sapphire anime
Interesting choice giving Giovanni an Onix with Double-Edge while its ability is Rock Head.
Oh god, the Jokes, Puns, Banter and Cutaways in this video are great. I’ve never actually seen this channel before. I look forward to more good stuff like this! 💚
Sunkern being a useless endeavor is peak dad joke comedy gold
Genius idea guys! Fun way to highlight how terrible level up movesets in gen 3 are
Says Blaine wouldn't bother to evolve growlith while putting it right next to Blaine's pre-existing arcanine lmao.
I will never get over how creative you guys are. This is brilliant 🤣
This is amazing, and the sheer amount of puns only elevates the experience
I loved the concept for this video! I'd love to see more of this
I had never even thought about this but LT. Surge is hilariously ironic. “Speed of electricity” next to a cave of Dugtrio the FASTEST GROUND TYPE.
Make all of them have zero I.V.s and hold the Flame/Toxic orb
And also blindfold them
I love this unique concept. Down for more for all other regions, would be interesting to see how they differ within each regional dex.
This video is a fun idea, though I do have several arguments against some of these decisions (Assuming Gen 3 learnsets) (New options indicated with (*)):
- Really going to need to define what is “best STAB attack”; is it “highest base power”, “best move that is compatible with its stats”, or “highest in level-up learnset”?
- Lileep’s weaknesses are rather finicky to work with (Fighting, Bug, Steel, Ice) while having an ability that does something, so I would argue that it would actually be HARDER to take down n both Brock’s and Erika’s teams, lacklustre moves aside. Also, the page that was referenced shows that it gets Confuse Ray at level 29, which is the level that Lileep was indicated to be
- Onix has even more weaknesses, 2 of them are quad effective, and Rock Head doesn’t help it at all. I don’t think Brock could sink lower than Onix, even if Onix has more moves
- (*) Lombre has rather finicky weaknesses (No weakness to Fire and Ice), while Nuzleaf has the same stat total, an ability that is only marginally more useful (Chlorophyll), and even 0 STAB moves until level 31 for Faint Attack. (Unless the requirement is that it HAS to be able to have a STAB attack in the first place)
- Koga
- Haunter is a Ghost type and has Levitate, deterring Ground and Psychic types, even if running off its weaker Attack stat
- Weepinbell’s Wrap could do fixed damage over time and is Grass-typed to deter Ground types
- Qwilfish being Water-typed and having Brine could deter Ground types
- (*) Beedrill and Ariados have Swarm, are not weak to Ground, and deter Psychic with Bug, but have a lower BST than Qwilfish (Beedrill Moves: Pin missile, Rage, Pursuit, and Twineedle) (Ariados Moves: Leech Life, Fury Swipes, Night Shade, Poison Sting)
- (*) Grimer evolves at level 38 and has a lower BST than Nidorina (Moves: Acid Armor, Screech, Minimise, Sludge)
- (*) Gloom has lower offences, and has to use Absorb (20 BP) in place of Vine Whip (35 BP), though Moonlight and Sleep Powder are significantly more dangerous (Moves: Absorb, Acid, Moonlight, Sleep Powder)
- Sabrina
- Kadabra with its Gen 3 learnset still WILL have a special attack, and at the level it’s at, it’ll be Psychic, so pass (Even then, the rule of giving it its best STAB attack )
- (*) Chimecho has less special attack, has Psywave (Technically a special attack), and Levitae is not terribly useful (Moves: Psywave, Double-Edge, Heal Bell, Yawn)
- Blaine
- Houndoom with its Gen 3 learnset will have Ember, Faint Attack, Odor Sleuth and Bite, so it’s still not particularly strong
- (*) Magcargo has the second lowest BST of all fully evolved Fire types, but it will have Flamethrower, Amnesia, Harden, and Rock Throw
- Giovanni
- Dugtrio’s learnset shown is from Gen 4; its Gen 3 moves would be Slash, Sand Tomb, Mud Slap, and Fury Swipes
- Pupitar has Dark Pulse when Crunch is the same base power, is higher in the level up learnset at level 41, and is more compatible with its stats
- (*) Sandslash has a slightly higher BST than Pupitar, but is stuck with Slash, Fury Cutter, Crush Claw and Sand Tomb
Yall legit made things harder on yourselves both by allowing the phys/spec split (c'mon its not that confusing) and by not just doing gen 3 moves. It feels like that should have been easy enough to notice/do... kinda disappointing research.
Its really only kadabra that this rule is for.
Love your guys content, can’t wait to see you grow more :)
Love how you put more thought into making their team worse than I do in making my team good in any given playthrough
Blaine had a Magcargo in Gen II, so you could've given him a Magcargo.
We can't wait to see you do this to the other gym leaders from the other regions
The worst part about Giovanni's team is that for the type of character he is, it would make sense for him to import pokemon from other regions, and his disaster of a team is what it took for me to realize this.
8:29 Koga’s ace Pokémon that’s Lv. 43 is now the menacing, terrifying, titan of all poison types: Qwilfish.
In the background: oh no
Another delicious piece of James from the two of you
12:58 this sounds like something that could be in one of those quiz videos XD. Which Pokemon has the best typing, except its about a pokemon with multiple hands like machamp or something
this looks like it'd be the perfect challange for a trainer who has an obsesion with throwing themselves out into battle rather than their pokemon
Absolutely hilarious premise I’d love to see for the other gym leaders!
You bounce off each other very well! Just subbed 👍
I'm surprised at the restraint for not adding some Bug-type Pokemon to some of these line-ups. Like, imagine if Koga had a Beedrill on his team, or if Brock had a Shuckle.
This greatly defines the bad trainers in RBY or FRLG in a nutshell but make them into gym leaders because why not.
Giovanni's Onix seems dangerous, it has Rock Head, so it doesn't take recoil damage from Double Edge.
15:51 fools ! You just gave him rock head double edge,now he will destroy the opponent with his 45 base attack !
I loved this. You should do Johto too, that way you cover most of the remaining types (just missing dark and fairy.) ❤
PLEASE! I NEED MORE OF THIS
Surge should've have had a Zapdos BUT he only ever uses X Speed on every turn
"Whoopsie! That's useless without a move to inflict sleep in the first place."
A lesson I learned the hard way when I first played these games. Ironically, I also taught it to a Haunter.
*janine casually becoming the strongest gym leader in kanto and beating her father*
I love it! What a fun concept!
now this is a good thought exercise
Now the trick is you do a ditto only run.
You could've replaced Defense Curl with Mud Sport instead while making Tackle have a much lower accuracy rate.
Now you have to Nerf the Elite Four/Five!🎉
You should've switched that last Onix's ability to make it worse as Rock Head negates Double Edge's recoil damage and Sturdy only became a less useless ability from Gen. 5 onwards.
You guys are straight up looking at the Gen IV movesets this whole video 😵💫
I'm loving the dry humor! 😂
How a gym leader look like to a competitive player:
I love this already. This could be the funnest pokemon series ever.
You should make more of these
I know it’s not the video format but for Blane give him his gen one AI and replace all his super potions with regular potions. Hard to make his team worse when almost all water types in gen one can no setup sweep with surf.
Oh this is a fantastic premise!! Can you do gold and silver gyms or the elite 4, if you haven’t already
It's technically possible for mud sport to do something on an Onix but not with those moves. Onix can learn mimic by move tutor in fr/lg and if it mimics conversion when fighting a porygon that can make it no longer ground type and able to be hit by electric moves.
If this becomes a series could I see you making kalos gym leaders worse?
I love this. Thank you for making this video
Love this video want to see more of this kind 😂
God I need more of this
Gamefreak copying this man for their next inevitable Kanto remake
I read the title and thought it meant bad as in over powered.
The problem with lileep is that rock/grass is actually a good typing against the starter trio becoming neutral to all three with the exception of charmanders metal claw. On the principle of typing lileep is too strong for this challenge.
Onyx and it's weaker then an Oddish attack stat would remain a better leader pokemon
knowing the type split for gen 3 makes me see that some pokemon are actualy good :I
This is a Really, Interesting, & Unique Video!!! 😍😍😍😍
Brock : Can't think of anything so it works.
Misty : Is so UGLY, that Feebas Evolves from just being around Misty's Ugly Face!!!
Lt. Surge : Can't think of anything Better.
Ericka : How about adding Paras & Parsect with Dry Skin? Knowing Solar Beam!
Koga : Can't come up with Better Team.
Sabrina : What about a Beldum? After all it only knows Take Down!
Blaine : Magcargo & Camerupt on his Team as both are 4x Weak to Water and since you need Surf anyway to get to Cinnabar Island!!!
Giovanni : That Vibrava though with Dragon Breath is Decently Powerful plus its got a 30% to Paralysis!!!
I hope this becomes a new series from you guys
astonish does let dugtrio hit the otherwise walling gengar line and misdreavus.. and shedinja!
Gligar with Guillotine is too good
Among with Growlithe with Flamethrower
Because they can do something
We can't allow that
... I do not know if there is a sense of irony in catching this video not long after finishing a playthrough of Pokemon Yellow Legacy, which is a ROM hack that went in the opposite direction of this (fixing Gen 1's biggest problems without losing that Gen 1 feel). So, next question is how much worse could you make the Gen 1 versions of the Kanto gym leaders by using only Gen 1 mons, moves, and general Gen 1 weirdness? 🤔
Poor lileep 😭
12:30 random infinite fusion moment
9:28 uhhh that psycho cut is actually good in a gen 3 game since physical and special moves are based on typing not based on moves
1:17
With these new teams I'm going to have to re-think my entire strategy--- Oh wait, no, it's still hit everything with pikachu, cos there's something wrong with me.
for some reason I now want to see Sinnoh Pokémon Champion Cynthia with a way worse team.
(though for non-mono type trainers, I assume the types of the pokémon would still have to be the same as the original ones)
Rip Janine and mr identity theft (green) need a sequel with the elite 4 and champion.
13:37 actually it probably wont even work because most people have a mon above level 45 by then and ohko moves are nullified by having a higher level mon
10:48 Is... is that PokeOne? Am I going insane?