The fact that Christian got a 5* for that match but not for either of the 2 TLC triple threat tag team matches is proof in itself that the ratings have gone completely to pot.
It's just a matter of Dave and his Anti WWE biase. Not to say he can't be right on certain matches. But more of that if you look at his ratings for certain matches, the more you notice that he's kinda full of shit or you can see where he's more interested in as a wrestling fan.
WtF is wrong with Uncle Dave?SMH He and Vince McMahon should BOTH retire, but Meltzer should probably clean out his office, first, which may take another twenty years.
@@colonelkenpachi5009 It's less of a Anti WWE bias & more of him being a shill of AEW (who sign his paycheques). If he was on Vince's payroll, Meltzkar would give Vince's manure 5 stars.
The fact that Kurt GOD DAMN Angle hasn't had a match according to Dave Meltzer worthy of 5 stars tells you all you need to know and completely devalues his precious little match rating system
Its not about "sToRyTeLlINg" to Dave, its about flips and false finishes. The only time storytelling "matters" is when Omega or the Buicks do a specific move they did in a match beforehand, and they do the same shit in literally every match so its *alll* "GoOd StOrYTeLlInNg" in the eyes of Dave
That match legitimately made me shed a tear. It's the first time I watched it in 2013 or 14. I already knew everything that happen after that and the most memorable moment has been in WWE Top 10 a lot of time and seen it way too much. Yet it somehow moved me to tears.
I mean a match can have great storytelling, but if there's not even a lick of athleticism or spectacle being displayed then it's simply just not very exciting to watch. 5 star matches just should be a very rare occurrence where both the storytelling/psychology and athleticism/spots are both extraordinary.
This is 100% the reason. Dave openly says the ratings are his opinion and how he feels as his B.S defense when people call out how biased it is. They used to call the move 'Indie Taker' but added in a flip and named it 'Meltzer Driver' in homage to Dave's dad who had passed away. That tribute and sucking up is the emotional link that will always keep Dave overrating and promoting them with a personal investment.
I see Uncle Dave as a man who is afraid of becoming irrelevant. Thats why he has lost all standards when it comes to the wrestling business. And its insane how Angle vs Benoit RR 03 didnt get 5 stars. That match between two elite wrestlers was golden.
@@6ANUR34DT81S he has no real influence and what influence he has he's losing every day. You can tell Khan doesn't listen to him much as he gets angry on twitter when Khan puts over Corny etc. As for WWE he's never had influence which is why he buried it even when it was watchable.
Like I said, Dave's star ratings should be taken like inflation. Those matches that he's giving 5 star ratings now would be 1-2 star matches at best in the 90s and before
I'm glad to hear Brian say that Piper vs. Hart at Wrestlemania VIII is one of his favorites. It's one of mine as well, and seems to be highly underrated. Any chance of a watch along for that one?
Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit Royal Rumble 2003, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania 21 2005 and Kurt Angle vs Undertaker No Way Out 2006 are all 5 stars to me. How Dave doesn't see that but gives that ridiculous AEW parking lot brawl 5 stars is mind blowing.
Against my better judgment, I have been trying to rationalize this and I think part of the problem is Meltzer doesn't understand how grading should work. If he wants to argue the wrestling standard has improved in the last twenty years, fine but that just means you should grade according to the new standard, not alter the grading scale. For example, if I were to rate NES games based on the standard for the time, I could say SMB 3 and Legend of Zelda are five star games. That doesn't mean I should start giving Switch and PS5 games seven stars because I think the standard has improved. I should keep the same scale based on the current standards.
None of my favourite matches are rated 5 stars by Meltzer. My favourite matches are Taker vs Shawn (Mania 25), TLC 2 (Mania X7), Kurt Angle vs Shane McMahon (KOTR 01), James Storm vs Chris Harris (Sacrifice 07), Shield vs Wyatt Family (Elimination Chamber 2014).
One of my favorites was Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit vs HHH at Wrestlemania XX. The fans were completely invested, the psychology was perfect, the build up was incredible, the athletic spots were performed at the right times and did not immediately go to the next move so fans could digest the spots, and the ending was perfect. And Meltzer only gave it 4.75 stars.
I remember watching Tripplemania on a stream with a bunch of people a few years back, some of them not lucha fans. The match of the night started off slow, Blue Demon Jr vs Vilano IV. Two old men who couldn't do the crazy shit of their youth, stopped trying to have a fast paced lucha match and just had a big old hoss battle all throughout the arena. The crowd was into it, the stream was white hot, and it was the most talked about match even during the Psycho Clown match that closed off the show. Dave gave it 1 star.
Just remember that Meltzer gave Chris Jericho vs. Nick Gage 4 stars (extra credit for having great crowd reactions), even though that match was outlaw indy mud show and got AEW in trouble with the Dominos Pizza when Gage used the pizza cutter during the Dominos commercial.
The 5-star ratings worked back when it was something reserved for no more than about four matches per year and they had to be the very best matches. And while people can complain all they want about certain "stars" not having enough five-star matches, going back and looking at the years in question its tough to argue that those guys had better matches than the five-star matches in that year. Dave Meltzer's match ratings fell apart in 2017. He awarded ten five-star+ matches that year and four of them were Kenny Omega matches. In 2021, there were 16. Realistically, the pre-2017 five-star match is now a 5.5 or above match. The current 5-5.49 rated matches would have been 4 stars under the old system. I personally would not compare Meltzer's ratings from before 2017 with those after 2017 because its really two different systems. Five stars doesn't mean what it used to mean.
@@countof3everybodyOD Kurt Angle never had a five-star match because from 2000-2010, just about the only way to have a five star match was to do a match of the year. There were only seven total five-star matches from 2000-2010. He did matches that before or after would have been 5 star, but in reaction to people complaining about too many five star matches in the 1990s, Metlzer went the other direction in those years and awarded almost none.
@@Jim-Tuner everything after the first eight words doesn’t mean anything. There’s no justification for it. I see the point you’re trying to make, but Meltzer is a hack. Even before his slobbering on Olivier’s knob I took issue with him. I mean, Kurt Angle!
The simple fact that Uncle Dave doesn't realize why Hogan vs Rock is 5 stars all day is proof that he doesn't understand what pro wrestling is. I'll go watch the Rockettes if I want to see a dance. I watch wrestling to see stars with large personalities where like a good movie I can lose myself in their story and give a shit about the outcome.
What's crazy is that between 2000 and 2010, only seven matches received a rating of five stars. This year alone, nine matches have received a rating of over five stars.
The 5 star Lars Sullivan match was a 6 man ladder match to determine the first NXT North American Champion. If you ignore Velveteen Dream, Ricochet, Killian Dain, Adam Cole, and EC3 doing damn near all the heavy lifting.
I immediately knew which match It was. It's fair because that match was very good but the rest of Dave's scoring in this video is beyond terrifyingly stupid.
2:23, Listening to this, I cried and laughed at the same time. O'Reilly vs Balor match were closer in dates to the Parking Lot Brawl match in AEW (NXT's Takeover 31 is in October and AEW's Parking Lot is in September), and Meltzer gave O'Reilly vs Balor 4.5 stars when Parking Lot Brawl and Trent's mom, a device for Best Friends to stay relevant, received 5 stars. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Somebedoy fill my effin mouth with bullets!!
Dave doesn't get the art of story telling in wrestling. I mean that in two ways. First, he doesn't get what makes an angle and the stuff that leads up to a match that makes it a match you want to see. Second, he doesn't get the story telling of a match itself. If you had a training school session and Dave was sitting at the table next to the ring and the trainees did every single move they ever learned without any rhyme or reason just to practice the move and the bump, he'd leave and write in his Polly Pocket notebook that everyone views as gospel that he just watched the greatest wrestling match of all time. Dave insisted Flair/Undertaker was superior to Hogan/Rock at WrestleMania X8. Let that sync in. There was nothing wrong with Flair/Taker. It was what it was. But, Hogan/Rock was a moment in time that people talk about now nearly 20 years later as being a staggering, earth shattering moment. And, they did exactly none of the moves you'd typically see in a Young Bucks match. Therefore, to Dave, it was crap. He doesn't get the art of wrestling. He only appreciates the athletic nature of wrestling. And, that's it. It was excused before with Flair's nonstop nonpsychology. Enough people shared his opinion and Flair was also the only guy going out there for an hour. Now, everyone can and every match is too long and he believes, by proxy, every match is wonderful.
Omega sits at 19. The fact he broke one of the Four pillars of All Japan already (Taue) is disgusting; if he breaks Misawa's 25, we need to make an active effort to discredit Uncle Dave's entire career in the eyes of his most loyal supporters.
Uncle Dave is a tick beneath Vince's senility, and would give perfectly formed turds 5 Stars at this point. He gives away stars like Marshawn Lynch gives away Skittles.
Y'all really think Vince is senile, yet when we see him or hear him speak nothing about him says he's losing his mind and he is still in great shape for a man his age.
@@ScrotumJoe34 Lool. Look at the product in the early 90’s with people in chicken suits wrestling. He was late 40’s at the time. I think he’s just a mad man 😂
Crazy Uncle Dave stole the star ratings from the one and only Weasel Dooley and Jim in the first place and has tainted the entire thing. I think it's high time someone calls Steven P. New
And crowd reaction is a big part of his ratings. I have never seen a crowd pop more for any match than I did for that one. Hogan, despite being the heel, was getting cheered and The Rock was getting booed.
He gave some AEW stinker of a match 5 Stars because it was a bad match but it worked for the crowed so that made up for it (His exact words). The crowd was not even a 10th of the energy Rock vs. Hogan and he shit on that match.
I can't believe uncle dave gives twinkletoes so many stars all he does is shake his head, look like his eyes are gonna pop out his head, a jumping knee lift and pick guys up on his shoulders and drop them forward (the one winged fairy)
I've just completely written Dave off as a wrestling critic. I respect his reporting, I respect his historical knowledge, but his opinion on what makes for good wrestling these days is not even worth hearing anymore. He's so far up the Bucks and Omega's asses and he reeks of bias. Whether he's on payroll or he's just lost his mind and fallen deeply in love with them for... I guess naming a move after him, he has no credibility left. He's either owned by AEW, or just a sad, craven old man desperately pandering to who he thinks are cool in a desperate attempt to be cool too.
He once told me on twitter that Bret and Shawn could learn a lot from a guy like Kenny. That was gbe final straw for me. That was approx this time last year.
@@-The-Darkside Yeah that is absolutely absurd. Only thing they could learn from Kenny Omega is the sorry state wrestling would be in once their careers were over. I have trouble even imagining the average people who like Kenny Omega genuinely beliving that. Dave's out of his mind.
I finally understand Dave Meltzer’s star system. All matches that include Kenny & Japanese dudes = 5 stars and above All matches that do not include Kenny & Japanese dudes = Below 5 stars & possibly some Harsh Criticism.
Just the fact that styles vs Bryan and Bryan vs Brock didn't get 5 stars but omega vs Bryan was Bryan's first five star match shows how biased his ratings are
Dave Meltzer you mean to tell me that Kurt Angle vs Brock at Wrestlemania and the Iron Man match between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels were worse then basically any Young Bucks match? This guy is so far up their asses it's insane
I remember matches and specific spots in said matches from wwe matches that aired 25 years ago. I doubt anyone remembers a thing about the five star six man tag match that involved a dinosaur two weeks ago
@@blacksabbathfan8067 I agree, theirs quite a large number of them, especially for a company they primarily promotes its self as entertainment instead of wrestling
@@TheJuise26 hell yeah, the fact that Kenny has more five star matches than all the names Jim mentioned in the video is madness. I mean, i can understand Dave's fetish with japanese wrestling, after all, AJPW had guys like Misawa, kobashi, Kawada, Taue ,Jumbo Tsuruta etc and Gaijins like Hansen, Gordy, Dr Death and vader but The bucks, omega have a collection of 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 matches yet someone like Chris Benoit had zero is a bad joke .
Christ you can tell that Meltzer's standards have fallen off a cliff. This evidence shows what a load of nonsense his star ratings have become. Brian is spot on about Meltzer.
hbk vs flair such a fucking classic how is that 3.5 because ric isn’t doing backflips off the top rope ? Hell it’s free I’m going to rewatch it now to see how 3.5 it is th-cam.com/video/OqcMDd1YeQk/w-d-xo.html
We are all waiting to hear Cornette talk about their promo battle especially the "less famous Miz" line considering how Cornette is pro MJF and anti Miz.
The 5 star match with Lars Sullivan was in NXT Takeover New Orleans alongside Adam Cole, Killian Dain, Ricochet, and Velveteen Dream in a Ladder match for the NXT North America Championship
Slightly missing the point, I know, but Syuri vs. Hayashishita was very very good. Not better than most anything Shawn, Bret, Kurt, Benoit, so on and so forth have done, though.
If you care what Dave Meltzer says just remember this man has never given Kurt Angle a 5 star match.
His WM17 match with Benoit is still amazing
Jericho vs HBK W19
@@allenlegacy242 and that match was more like just a taster, they didn't even go all out they just gave a sample
Nakamura vs zayn
Bate vs dunne
Benoit vs hhh vs michaels
Jericho/benoit vs stone cold/hhh
And many more
It took Danielson almost TWENTY YEARS to finally get a 5 star but we all know he wasnt the reason for it...
The fact that Christian got a 5* for that match but not for either of the 2 TLC triple threat tag team matches is proof in itself that the ratings have gone completely to pot.
It's just a matter of Dave and his Anti WWE biase.
Not to say he can't be right on certain matches.
But more of that if you look at his ratings for certain matches, the more you notice that he's kinda full of shit or you can see where he's more interested in as a wrestling fan.
Had that exact same match with the exact same people been done in NJPW it would have got 5 stars.
WtF is wrong with Uncle Dave?SMH He and Vince McMahon should BOTH retire, but Meltzer should probably clean out his office, first, which may take another twenty years.
@@colonelkenpachi5009 It's less of a Anti WWE bias & more of him being a shill of AEW (who sign his paycheques). If he was on Vince's payroll, Meltzkar would give Vince's manure 5 stars.
@@tomvu1470 He actually was on Vinces payroll in 1991-ish.
Perc Angle's run alone should be 5 stars. That man was armed with a broken freakin neck, a moonsault, a bean, and a dream and always gave it his all.
The fact that Kurt GOD DAMN Angle hasn't had a match according to Dave Meltzer worthy of 5 stars tells you all you need to know and completely devalues his precious little match rating system
I would rather look every Kurt Angle Match than any AEW Match
Oh Its True, its true !
Came here to say this!
Amen Brother!
The only Olympic gold 🏅 not getting 5 stars is insane
Kurt gets stars deducted from his matches for not being Japanese or never staring in a “Being the Elite” video
I love that Travis' artwork always depicts Meltzer with his tongue out wagging, perfectly captures what a cringey sycophant he is.
Wait.... Dave gave HBK/Flair at WM24 a 3.5 star rating??? That is just egregious and tasteless... That match had awesome storytelling
Its not about "sToRyTeLlINg" to Dave, its about flips and false finishes. The only time storytelling "matters" is when Omega or the Buicks do a specific move they did in a match beforehand, and they do the same shit in literally every match so its *alll* "GoOd StOrYTeLlInNg" in the eyes of Dave
That match legitimately made me shed a tear. It's the first time I watched it in 2013 or 14. I already knew everything that happen after that and the most memorable moment has been in WWE Top 10 a lot of time and seen it way too much. Yet it somehow moved me to tears.
Meltzer doesn't give a hoot about storytelling or psychology, he only rates spot fests.
I mean a match can have great storytelling, but if there's not even a lick of athleticism or spectacle being displayed then it's simply just not very exciting to watch. 5 star matches just should be a very rare occurrence where both the storytelling/psychology and athleticism/spots are both extraordinary.
Dave stars system broke worse than Matt hardy
It's so broke the homeless donate to it.
"I never liked him and I never will" - Kevin Nash
Bryan is 100% right about Dave.
Young Bucks get 5 stars for life because of the MeltzerDriver (double tombstone piledriver with a front flip)
But RVD never got 5 stars for his frog splash 🤔
that moves description, just reading it, it sounds so stupid - it should be a full on match ender, send to hospital move
Plus, it's no secret the young bucks "the greatest tag team in the world today 😂🤡) like to blow Meltzer
This is 100% the reason. Dave openly says the ratings are his opinion and how he feels as his B.S defense when people call out how biased it is.
They used to call the move 'Indie Taker' but added in a flip and named it 'Meltzer Driver' in homage to Dave's dad who had passed away.
That tribute and sucking up is the emotional link that will always keep Dave overrating and promoting them with a personal investment.
@@mimoe7587 So that's why he's so biased.
I see Uncle Dave as a man who is afraid of becoming irrelevant. Thats why he has lost all standards when it comes to the wrestling business. And its insane how Angle vs Benoit RR 03 didnt get 5 stars. That match between two elite wrestlers was golden.
Angle Michaels WM21 too
Angle Lesnar on SD or WM in consideration too
Perc Angle also had some absolute barn burners in TNA
Angle vs Benoit 03 is the basis for all modern technical matches. Timeless classic that got robbed for a perfect score.
@@classicviolence Dave Meltzer: “Uh good match. But uh, but because it wasn’t in uh, the tokyo dome. It uh, gets one star less”
He’s always been a idiot it’s just sad it took these bullshit AEW MATCH ratings for people to notice. He deserves no slack
Dave is beyond a parody of himself at this point.
Why are we still talking about Dave Meltzer? He's a paid troll. Just let him fade away.
He's a paid troll with influence, sadly. THAT'S the problem.
@@6ANUR34DT81S he has no real influence and what influence he has he's losing every day. You can tell Khan doesn't listen to him much as he gets angry on twitter when Khan puts over Corny etc. As for WWE he's never had influence which is why he buried it even when it was watchable.
And classify himself as OBSOLETE!
Meltzer is like a grandpa that spoils his grandkids in his old age after being really strict with his own kids.
🤣🤣 brilliant anology
This is a perfect analogy, honestly.
“No, you can’t have McDonald’s.”
“Sure, we can go to Disneyland.”
Like I said, Dave's star ratings should be taken like inflation. Those matches that he's giving 5 star ratings now would be 1-2 star matches at best in the 90s and before
I agree. The old five-star match is now 5.5 stars and above. Five-star since 2017 doesn't mean much.
There's no excuse for Hulk vs Rock getting 3 stars in any era.
@@-The-Darkside or Piper vs Bret.
So Kenny Omega is better for his time than Kurt Angle was for his?😂
@@FishJesus420 Kenny Omega isn't even the best wrestler from Canada! Let alone, ever.
I'm glad to hear Brian say that Piper vs. Hart at Wrestlemania VIII is one of his favorites. It's one of mine as well, and seems to be highly underrated. Any chance of a watch along for that one?
I'm with you, I loved that match.
This would be great
It was the best match on the card.
@@michaelmfwayne what! Better than the Flair/Savage match? That one for me personally stole the show.
Yeah they hardly do watch alongs anymore, those were great
Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit Royal Rumble 2003, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania 21 2005 and Kurt Angle vs Undertaker No Way Out 2006 are all 5 stars to me. How Dave doesn't see that but gives that ridiculous AEW parking lot brawl 5 stars is mind blowing.
Add in savage steamboat wrestlemania 3
HBK Vs Flair & Rock Vs Hogan being a 3.5* matches should immediately make anything Uncle Dave says invalid.
Even worse: Rock vs. Hogan was just 3 Stars. For me those 2 matches were 5 stars for sure!
Against my better judgment, I have been trying to rationalize this and I think part of the problem is Meltzer doesn't understand how grading should work. If he wants to argue the wrestling standard has improved in the last twenty years, fine but that just means you should grade according to the new standard, not alter the grading scale. For example, if I were to rate NES games based on the standard for the time, I could say SMB 3 and Legend of Zelda are five star games. That doesn't mean I should start giving Switch and PS5 games seven stars because I think the standard has improved. I should keep the same scale based on the current standards.
Dave lost his credibility on star ratings years ago
None of my favourite matches are rated 5 stars by Meltzer. My favourite matches are Taker vs Shawn (Mania 25), TLC 2 (Mania X7), Kurt Angle vs Shane McMahon (KOTR 01), James Storm vs Chris Harris (Sacrifice 07), Shield vs Wyatt Family (Elimination Chamber 2014).
One of my favorites was Shawn Michaels vs Chris Benoit vs HHH at Wrestlemania XX. The fans were completely invested, the psychology was perfect, the build up was incredible, the athletic spots were performed at the right times and did not immediately go to the next move so fans could digest the spots, and the ending was perfect. And Meltzer only gave it 4.75 stars.
Only one is for me. Stone cold vs Bret Hart WM13. Absolute classic at least Meltzer got that one right. A broken clock is right twice a day i guess
Kurt Angle vs Samoa Joe Genesis 2006 for me would be classified as 5 stars but its rated 4.25 by Meltzer lol
His ratings are a meme.
Kenny Omega matches is automatic 5 stars with additional stars if the match is at the Tokyo Dome
Dave is like the 30 year old guy who still parties with high school kids
Sounds like a horrible Adam Sandler movie with the same washed up comedians.🤣
And drives a windowless van.
I'm 31 😐
@@HandsomeSteveJacobson And we hope you don't party with high school kids.
I remember watching Tripplemania on a stream with a bunch of people a few years back, some of them not lucha fans. The match of the night started off slow, Blue Demon Jr vs Vilano IV. Two old men who couldn't do the crazy shit of their youth, stopped trying to have a fast paced lucha match and just had a big old hoss battle all throughout the arena. The crowd was into it, the stream was white hot, and it was the most talked about match even during the Psycho Clown match that closed off the show. Dave gave it 1 star.
Just remember that Meltzer gave Chris Jericho vs. Nick Gage 4 stars (extra credit for having great crowd reactions), even though that match was outlaw indy mud show and got AEW in trouble with the Dominos Pizza when Gage used the pizza cutter during the Dominos commercial.
HBK/Taker at WM25 and Angle/Taker no way out, those 2 matches alone is worth 6* each. That's wrestling in it's best form
@@Vatenkeist He gave that angle taker match the same rating he gave jericho vs gage
@@Herbert_Rudolf That's god damn embarrassing. what the fuck is wrong with Meltzer.
I seriously feel, Dave is cheating on his wife with Kenny.
The 5-star ratings worked back when it was something reserved for no more than about four matches per year and they had to be the very best matches. And while people can complain all they want about certain "stars" not having enough five-star matches, going back and looking at the years in question its tough to argue that those guys had better matches than the five-star matches in that year.
Dave Meltzer's match ratings fell apart in 2017. He awarded ten five-star+ matches that year and four of them were Kenny Omega matches. In 2021, there were 16.
Realistically, the pre-2017 five-star match is now a 5.5 or above match. The current 5-5.49 rated matches would have been 4 stars under the old system.
I personally would not compare Meltzer's ratings from before 2017 with those after 2017 because its really two different systems. Five stars doesn't mean what it used to mean.
It’s never meant anything
Kurt Angle, arguably the greatest ever, has not had a 5 star match?
@@countof3everybodyOD or Brett hart or hbk
@@breno7950 Shawn Michaels has had two five star matches. Bret Hart also had two.
@@countof3everybodyOD Kurt Angle never had a five-star match because from 2000-2010, just about the only way to have a five star match was to do a match of the year. There were only seven total five-star matches from 2000-2010.
He did matches that before or after would have been 5 star, but in reaction to people complaining about too many five star matches in the 1990s, Metlzer went the other direction in those years and awarded almost none.
@@Jim-Tuner everything after the first eight words doesn’t mean anything. There’s no justification for it. I see the point you’re trying to make, but Meltzer is a hack. Even before his slobbering on Olivier’s knob I took issue with him.
I mean, Kurt Angle!
The simple fact that Uncle Dave doesn't realize why Hogan vs Rock is 5 stars all day is proof that he doesn't understand what pro wrestling is. I'll go watch the Rockettes if I want to see a dance. I watch wrestling to see stars with large personalities where like a good movie I can lose myself in their story and give a shit about the outcome.
Dave is more out of control than vinnymac
Olivier: *takes a dump in the backyard*
Uncle Dave with his pants down: 6 STARS!!!!!!!
What's crazy is that between 2000 and 2010, only seven matches received a rating of five stars. This year alone, nine matches have received a rating of over five stars.
The Mark of Marks Dave Meltzer
0 5 star matches for Hart, HBK or Angle just absolutely boggles my mind.
both bret and shawn have two 5* matches. i think they're talking about matches that now meltzer rates more than 5*
Ron deserves a promotion
Thanks! :D
“Who needs women, or hanging round in bars, when you can watch the Young Bucks earn 7 stars?” - Einar, the Real Star
The 5 star Lars Sullivan match was a 6 man ladder match to determine the first NXT North American Champion. If you ignore Velveteen Dream, Ricochet, Killian Dain, Adam Cole, and EC3 doing damn near all the heavy lifting.
To be fair that was a great match.
@@hovz-zo8lf Yeah I'm not mad about that match being rated 5 stars, but Lars was clearly the 6th man in that match.
And almost all of the men who were in that match are gone or buried
I immediately knew which match It was. It's fair because that match was very good but the rest of Dave's scoring in this video is beyond terrifyingly stupid.
@@hovz-zo8lf not a 5 star match though. Plus there was a few botches if I remember correctly.
On the illustration? You shouln't be able to see "Uncle dave's" hands. With that look on his face as he stares at omega? That says it all!
2:23, Listening to this, I cried and laughed at the same time. O'Reilly vs Balor match were closer in dates to the Parking Lot Brawl match in AEW (NXT's Takeover 31 is in October and AEW's Parking Lot is in September), and Meltzer gave O'Reilly vs Balor 4.5 stars when Parking Lot Brawl and Trent's mom, a device for Best Friends to stay relevant, received 5 stars. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Somebedoy fill my effin mouth with bullets!!
I forgot Lars had a match that was rated 5 stars but then remembered it was that Ladder match at Takeover New Orleans.
Dave doesn't get the art of story telling in wrestling. I mean that in two ways. First, he doesn't get what makes an angle and the stuff that leads up to a match that makes it a match you want to see. Second, he doesn't get the story telling of a match itself. If you had a training school session and Dave was sitting at the table next to the ring and the trainees did every single move they ever learned without any rhyme or reason just to practice the move and the bump, he'd leave and write in his Polly Pocket notebook that everyone views as gospel that he just watched the greatest wrestling match of all time. Dave insisted Flair/Undertaker was superior to Hogan/Rock at WrestleMania X8. Let that sync in. There was nothing wrong with Flair/Taker. It was what it was. But, Hogan/Rock was a moment in time that people talk about now nearly 20 years later as being a staggering, earth shattering moment. And, they did exactly none of the moves you'd typically see in a Young Bucks match. Therefore, to Dave, it was crap. He doesn't get the art of wrestling. He only appreciates the athletic nature of wrestling. And, that's it. It was excused before with Flair's nonstop nonpsychology. Enough people shared his opinion and Flair was also the only guy going out there for an hour. Now, everyone can and every match is too long and he believes, by proxy, every match is wonderful.
I swear I’ll hit Dave with an elbow if he gave Kenny Omega more 5 stars matches than Mitsuharu Misawa
If that ever happens , misawa should resurrect and hit Dave with a tiger driver '91
Get emmmmm!
I thought he already had?
@@Kingofweasles nope
Omega sits at 19.
The fact he broke one of the Four pillars of All Japan already (Taue) is disgusting; if he breaks Misawa's 25, we need to make an active effort to discredit Uncle Dave's entire career in the eyes of his most loyal supporters.
Dave is Mr. Burns trying to pass himself off as a student to Principal Skinner…
Uncle Dave is a tick beneath Vince's senility, and would give perfectly formed turds 5 Stars at this point. He gives away stars like Marshawn Lynch gives away Skittles.
If it were just the bucks and omega masturbating in the ring, Dave would still give it 30 stars.
Y'all really think Vince is senile, yet when we see him or hear him speak nothing about him says he's losing his mind and he is still in great shape for a man his age.
@@rleonardgreen78 try looking at the WWE product
@@ScrotumJoe34 Lool. Look at the product in the early 90’s with people in chicken suits wrestling. He was late 40’s at the time. I think he’s just a mad man 😂
@@ScrotumJoe34 WWE have always had their up and downs with creative and the product.
Mr Perfect vs Bret Hart: ****1/4
Elite vs Christian, Luchasaurus, Jungle Boy: *******
Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels: ****3/4
Adam Page vs Kenny Omega: *****1/2
WTF!!!
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"He's in good company" lol
Jim Cornette should start doing star ratings, he has the honesty to be true to it.
Crazy Uncle Dave stole the star ratings from the one and only Weasel Dooley and Jim in the first place and has tainted the entire thing. I think it's high time someone calls Steven P. New
I think Twnkle Toes McFingerbang has naked photos of Dave Meltzer with Big Bird or a few of the characters from the Muppet Show...
He lost all of his credibility the moment he told the world that Rock vs Hogan is only 3 stars out of 5. Seriously.
And crowd reaction is a big part of his ratings. I have never seen a crowd pop more for any match than I did for that one. Hogan, despite being the heel, was getting cheered and The Rock was getting booed.
He gave some AEW stinker of a match 5 Stars because it was a bad match but it worked for the crowed so that made up for it (His exact words). The crowd was not even a 10th of the energy Rock vs. Hogan and he shit on that match.
And, oh yeah, Kurt Angle never had a 5 star match. What a fucking joke.
I can't believe uncle dave gives twinkletoes so many stars all he does is shake his head, look like his eyes are gonna pop out his head, a jumping knee lift and pick guys up on his shoulders and drop them forward (the one winged fairy)
Even the Salior Omega and Texudo Callis oil painting got 5 stars. Lol
I've just completely written Dave off as a wrestling critic. I respect his reporting, I respect his historical knowledge, but his opinion on what makes for good wrestling these days is not even worth hearing anymore. He's so far up the Bucks and Omega's asses and he reeks of bias. Whether he's on payroll or he's just lost his mind and fallen deeply in love with them for... I guess naming a move after him, he has no credibility left. He's either owned by AEW, or just a sad, craven old man desperately pandering to who he thinks are cool in a desperate attempt to be cool too.
He once told me on twitter that Bret and Shawn could learn a lot from a guy like Kenny.
That was gbe final straw for me. That was approx this time last year.
@@-The-Darkside Yeah that is absolutely absurd. Only thing they could learn from Kenny Omega is the sorry state wrestling would be in once their careers were over. I have trouble even imagining the average people who like Kenny Omega genuinely beliving that. Dave's out of his mind.
@@-The-Darkside I don't twitter but are you sure he wasn't just fucking with you?
@@-The-Darkside what the hell,really??
Yes, they made a typo. You found it so you're smart. Congrats.
This HAS to be the official burial of Dave Meltzer
Dave should rename the stars Kenny's, then that would make sense.
Rename the stars Buck's.
I finally understand Dave Meltzer’s star system.
All matches that include Kenny & Japanese dudes = 5 stars and above
All matches that do not include Kenny & Japanese dudes = Below 5 stars & possibly some Harsh Criticism.
every clip about dave has to be drawn by travis his dave drawings never fail to make me laugh
If the match doesn’t have Twinkletoes in it, chances are Big Dave isn’t gonna give it 5 stars.
Just the fact that styles vs Bryan and Bryan vs Brock didn't get 5 stars but omega vs Bryan was Bryan's first five star match shows how biased his ratings are
Young bucks also have Naked pictures of Dave Meltzer with PeeWee Herman and Claude Van Buelen...
Dave Meltzer you mean to tell me that Kurt Angle vs Brock at Wrestlemania and the Iron Man match between Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart, Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels were worse then basically any Young Bucks match? This guy is so far up their asses it's insane
I remember matches and specific spots in said matches from wwe matches that aired 25 years ago. I doubt anyone remembers a thing about the five star six man tag match that involved a dinosaur two weeks ago
The Rock, Edge, Lesnar and Kurt Angle have never had a 5 Star Match according to this Goof
Dave Meltzer "Remember guys Britt Baker vs Tay Conti > Hulk Hogan vs The Rock"
That’s peak insanity on Uncle Dave’s part. Completely indefensible bullshit.
Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle at Wrestlemania 19 and Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk at Summerslam we’re 5 star matches in my opinion
I'm not a WWE fan but, in all seriousness , they had at least a dozen of matches that were five star but Meltzer said" fuck no"
@@blacksabbathfan8067 I agree, theirs quite a large number of them, especially for a company they primarily promotes its self as entertainment instead of wrestling
@@TheJuise26 hell yeah, the fact that Kenny has more five star matches than all the names Jim mentioned in the video is madness.
I mean, i can understand Dave's fetish with japanese wrestling, after all, AJPW had guys like Misawa, kobashi, Kawada, Taue ,Jumbo Tsuruta etc and Gaijins like Hansen, Gordy, Dr Death and vader but The bucks, omega have a collection of 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 matches yet someone like Chris Benoit had zero is a bad joke .
@@blacksabbathfan8067 Well we all know why he will NEVER give Benoit a positive reaction or 5 star match rating, and it sucks that that is the reason
@@TheJuise26 Yes, it is indeed a sad truth
Could listen to Corny all day, especially Territory days, I'm a big AEW fan, he's right some of these rated Way 2 high!
Number of 5 star 'or greater' matches according to Dave by promotion:
AEW: 11, already?
WWE: 14
NJPW: 72!
@Matt ADorno. I don’t count NXT as part of WWE, so only 5 WWE matches really.
good ol uncle Dave back at it again
Christ you can tell that Meltzer's standards have fallen off a cliff. This evidence shows what a load of nonsense his star ratings have become. Brian is spot on about Meltzer.
Modern Dave really needs to rewatch the “uncool” speech from Almost Famous.
Meltzer is really living rent free in their heads, isn't?
You agree with these ratings?
Meltzer is Herbert the pervert and Omega is Chris...
Lol hahhahah
This really blew Dave's star system out of this planet...
hbk vs flair such a fucking classic how is that 3.5 because ric isn’t doing backflips off the top rope ?
Hell it’s free I’m going to rewatch it now to see how 3.5 it is th-cam.com/video/OqcMDd1YeQk/w-d-xo.html
Meltzer would give Omega and the Bucks 7 stars for a six man tag against 3 inflatable sex dolls
Styles vs Cena at SummerSlam was better than omega vs page and uncle dave gave 4.5 to that match
Can’t believe so many people would respect ONE person’s opinion for so many years. It’s just Meltzers opinion, ONE person. It means nothing.
Yet here's this comment thread, full of people seething over it.
Lance Storm thinks Dave's Star Ratings are shit, and he works for F4W...just saying.
Lance has credibility in the business. A lot of it.
Mystery Science Theater did the same analysis of a movie they featured skewering Leonard Maltin’s star system.
That art makes it look like Dave is thirsting for Kenny.
I think that Lars Sullivan 5-Star match was from Blue Boy Magazine and not the Observer. Honest mistake.
CM Punk and MJF remind us what wrestling is all about, content that Twinkletoes will never be able to deliver
We are all waiting to hear Cornette talk about their promo battle especially the "less famous Miz" line considering how Cornette is pro MJF and anti Miz.
What?
Is that Joey Diaz?
Meltzer makes me sick to my stomach. Zero credibility
Dave with his tongue out looks just like the guy from the old Jr. Food Mart signs in Panama City.
Uncle Dave is the Ogre of ratings match. Look at the Travis Artwork😆😂
"Dave Meltzer" and "credibility" don't go together.
The 5 star match with Lars Sullivan was in NXT Takeover New Orleans alongside Adam Cole, Killian Dain, Ricochet, and Velveteen Dream in a Ladder match for the NXT North America Championship
its hard to put so much weight on one guy's opinion
Lar's 5 star match was the ladder match for the NA Title at one of the TakeOvers.
The Lars Sullivan match in question was a 6-way at NXT Takeover New Orleans
For the North Something Title.
How many stars does his porno get?
@@vivpunk1258 probably -1/2⭐️ he’s not very pretty
@@deft__12 I wanted to say that it doesn't matter in porn how the guy looks, but he did a different type of porn.
Love you guys great job
Meltzer does this because the mindless AEW fanboys eat it up. The hardcore AEW fans make it hard to support this company.
Walter vs Ilya = hangman vs kenny omega 🤯
The opus line had me cracking up
Clean lifestyle? Uncle Dave is clearly on the gear himself
I think Dave awards Stars based on the number of times a wrestler slaps their thigh in a match.
Benoit winning the big gold title was ranked 5 star matches & Macho Man vs. Steamboat was also ranked 5 stars
Meltzer’s favorites get the rating equivalent of a favored nations clause.
Slightly missing the point, I know, but Syuri vs. Hayashishita was very very good. Not better than most anything Shawn, Bret, Kurt, Benoit, so on and so forth have done, though.
Ron just blew my damn mind. Holy shit…
You're welcome!
dinosaur dude is 5*! raiting system is totally legit!