The fact that Kurt Angle has ZERO 5 star matches but plumber moxley has about 100 of em with his death match crap says how STUPID his "star" ratings are
Seriously, once you learn that arguably the greatest in ring wrestler of all time doesnt have a single 5 star match, you cant take any of his ratings seriously.
@@tigerbug69Not defending Dave but a lot of wrestling fans just don't like the WWE's style of match. Things like too many pointless pin attempts that everyone and their grandma knows won't result in a 3 count, no moves other than a finisher and a school boy roll up getting a 3 count, heel getting heat for 10 minutes before the babyface makes a comeback and just the overall predictability of WWE matches.
personally I'd have given angle vs shane & some of his matches vs benoit 5.. he also probably got robbed of 5 vs Lesnar by that horrific SSP botch. The two other matches not getting 5 that prove his ratings mean shit are not giving TLC 2 five (only giving it 4 and 3/4ths) and Rock vs Hogan which he only gave 3 stars because it wasn't one of his preferred flippy workrate vanilla midget vs vanilla midget cheoreo fests.
@@thomasgodfrey7587I've always multiplied everything Meltzer said by zero ever since around 2010s, maybe 2013, once I learned he was never truly in the Pro Wrestling business aside of journalism, not in the ring, nor in the backstage, nor in the commentary, nor in the management, or anything; he had few, if any, ideas on what he's talking about. His interview with CVV further confirmed my view on him.
At least JJ eventually sees that Spiderman isn't the bad guy. Meltzer will never admit that AEW is really in the shitter, as long as Tony keeps giving him his 20+ min Masturbation matches with OceanSpreay.
@@matthewhostetter8974 JJJ, portrayals like Insomniac's Spider-Man and such aside, also, USUALLY, WHEN WRITTEN WELL, puts a lot into journalistic integrity, social issues etc.
Meltzer’s comeback to that was saying that Punk called him “every week” while he was in AEW. I’m willing to bet that someone was posing as Punk to rib him or he’s insane, which are 2 valid explanations.
@@eiephants the fact that they serenaded Kenny Omega to the ring with talk of the "only wrestler to achieve seven stars" was so unbelievably pathetic - actually made Kenny Omega look worse in my opinion. His status should preceed him in and out of kayfabe.
Funny thing is people are having all these high star matches.....but the program can't average over 800k for weekly TV. Newsflash. No one cares about the ratings besides Tony and Dave.
"We're the only two people here to play Mario Party, Dave" "Well what you gotta understand is that there's a lot of competition going on for Mario Parties right now, what with the NBA playoffs and pre-emptions and social media causing people to ignore some of these parties or maybe show up later. Really, the ACTUAL amount of people here is, like, 2 + 18 once you take into account the time zone---" "You can only have up to 4 people in a Mario Party though" "Traditionally, yes. I mean, in a traditional sense, can the game only have four people, the answer would be yes. But what I'm saying is that you can't gauge _this_ Mario Party by the standards of _Mario Party_ and have to look at it from the perspective of--- "Fuck it. I'm going to go play Garfield: Lasagna Party, Dave"
Meltzer flooded his entire house for OceanSpreay, and the rest of the ratings was a pity Fuck. To make up for the fact Mania was better, Dynasty buy rates sucked, Tony made an ass of himself and OceanSpreays feelings got hurt.
@CadChamberlain I wouldn't agree. Match quality was alright across the board for the majority of the night but the booking and lack of compelling storylines made it another episode of Dynamite 🤷♂️
I don’t think that many Cornette fans are watching aew. Certainly for me, myself I don’t think it’s even available in Australia, and I regularly go to England I’ve not seen it there either. But I don’t look for it either.
The hardcore AEW fan who can tolerate Tony Klowns booking and the Boring Bucks wouldn't listen to Cornette, Bischoff, Dutch since they use common sense and logic whilst Uncle Dave, Conrad & Tony Klown all live in laa laa land.
SUCH an underrated comment. One of those “if you know, then you know” Hans Moleman receiving a football to the nuts would get at least 4 stars according to Dave…..
Over a million $. Surprised tbh, most of their events don't come close to that #. And that's just the gate, not sure how many PPV buys they had. Most likely their 2nd most profitable event after Wembley.
The gate was definitely $400k. Funny listening to Nash talk about earning money when he ended up costing WWF money when he was champ. Vince almost sold the company and almost filed chapter 11. But you tell'em Kev.
@@SlimSavageBlanco That was Vince costing the WWF all that money. He's the one who decided it was a good idea to strip Diesel of everything that made him popular as a heel and make him a milquetoast babyface with no edge.
What’s funny is, I thought the Ospreay vs Danielson match was a fantastic match, but the greatest match ever? 😂 it’s like the Okada Omega match he gave 7 stars. It’s a good match, but the best thing ever? Like come on Dave… lord have mercy
"If Orson Welles was in a low-budget porn flick, would you STILL give it 4 stars?" Well...scratch that one off the list of statements I never thought I would hear.
I read in an article that it said that the Brian Danielson versus Will Osprey match was AND I QUOTE "said by many to be the greatest match on North American soil." NO IT WASN'T. ONE PERSON SAID THAT. NOT "MANY" These "news" sources are just repeating one person and then claiming many people said it. It's outrageous how the industry is being reported today.
In my opinion, I think because DM spent his life as the "go to guy" for insider wrestling scoops. With the wrestling world evolving(since the "it's ballet" days), and it becoming a part of the pop culture, I don't believe he's come to grips (or cannot accept) that he no longer is that "go to guy". No disrespect meant, but for the most part, his old school contacts have either passed or left the business. Now he's just out of touch with the wrestling audience and as more recognizable legit sport media (and pop culture-Rock, Cena) cover wrestling what his utility in wrestling? I suggest writing more history pieces and obit books.
Honestly people should take it easy on Uncle Dave, poor man has a hard time giving out those ratings with only one hand on the keyboard and the other down his pants. Because Wednesday nights aren't the only nights he gets to stay up late.😉
Knowing Dave he would definitely give Tony's bump a 10 on his star rating scale lol. And then proceed to go on a tangent defending Tony, and then rambling nonsense while taking 20 minutes just to get to the point.
I just remove 2*s from Dave's AEW ratings, have been for a few years. Same thing I do with Rotten Tomatoes these days, subtract 15-20 percentage points and that's probably about right.
I texted something similar to a friend that loses their mind over Dave’s ratings. Advised him to take his rating, then subtract 1-2 stars based on what you like. That’s closer to reality.
I think we can safely assume that Khan is booking for Meltzer rather than his audience, and Meltzer's brain has been deep-fried by all of the time he's been spending with his balls in the hands of the Young Bucks. That's not to say that they've got him in a vice, but rather, he's being overstimulated by flips and kicks and dives oh my.
0:44 I dunno if I'd call David vs Goliath a great match. I mean, yeah, the babyface won over a big monster heel, but he won in one move. Can't ever book Goliath again after he takes a loss like that to a little guy. He's buried.
Grudge Dave gave Roman v Cody WM match a 4.75. I think he may not have given 5 stars because the quarter point was all his remaining brain, but it is clear that he did not use it at all in the matches he gave 6 or 7 stars to.
Dave had to shit on WWE ratings for Mania as punishment for Tony's ALL IN footage not going his way, plus OceanSpreay's feeling hurt when WWE never mentioned him. Dynasty's ratings were desperation for the low buy rate and Tony still making an ass of himself
@@matthewhostetter8974 Honestly? I think it's just Dave going back to his old ways. The "Kurt Angle never had a 5* match, Taker VS Michaels is 4.75*" ways. For WWE, 4.5, 4.75 and 5* say a whole lot more about match quality than for All Elite Inflation. Basically, Dave rates WWE on a 5* Scale where they have to go above and beyond to get up there. He also rates his boy toy promotion (and NJPW) on a scale where the highest is whatever he wants to give.
Cody Roman was not anywhere near a 4. At all. It was a schmozz match. Half a dozen runins and pure gaga. And seriously no Roman match ever is on "the best matches" list. That being said, when he left he was the biggest star in the business so who gives a single chit about 'work rate' star ratings by some goof
@@yoholmes273 Cody vs Roman was easily the match of the year so far. It was a fantastic wrestling match with all ingredients. It was a much better match than Bryan vs Osprey which had no build or storyline purpose.
Dave parrots what the Bucks say, ignoring the fact that they're flaming GOP racists, all the while pretending to be liberal IRL back when he was trying to cling onto Cornette 😂😂😂 I've never seen a more confused person.
What’s funny is the whoop that trick chant at the end when the faces all came to ringside and Tony was laying there. Dave may not like him, but Trick’s been getting main roster chants and now even at AEW
Put pretty much any WCW cruiserweight match at the top of the card in AEW in 2024 and Dave would give it 10 stars based on what he scores highly these days. He’s lost his mind.
Quick thing: the 500 was a typo in the original numbers. It was 5,000 PPV traditional buys for TNA's "Rebellion". Explanation: --- [...] Seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease [from Hard to Kill’s 22,400 buys] which makes 500 clearly not the right number. Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total) Accordingly to Ewrestlingnews of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day” ---
I didn't think 500 was right to begin with. That's so dystopian that if they actually did only get that number I imagine they'd shut the doors immediately. I mean that's like bankruptcy numbers. Not that 5k is that much better...
@@xxrocketshark216xx4but that number will grow a bit along with that number not including streaming numbers at all and the last ppv got 28K in streaming numbers so that’ll grow this shows buyrate and they have a tier on TNA+ that pays for the ppvs that Uncle Dave will never have. We aren’t saying TNA did a tremendous number but if the real number all told was 20K and Brian is guffawing over a fictional 500 number, that’s not a good look for Brian
Okada Vs PAC = HBK Vs Taker at Mania I like PAC Vs Okada. I really did. I doubt I'll remember in 15 days. It's 15 years later and I still remember watching HBK and Taker. I remember talking to my friends with me watching it. These two are not equal. At all.
@@DynastyIcon I had to do laundry. I watched the first hour and a half. It's not hate. It's morbid amusement and curiosity. Besides, without those watchers, it's only worthless fans like you.
I stopped hate watching it 2 years ago. It's f***ing terrible! I still watched WCW and TNA through the bad times but AEW has the worst wrestling shows ever!
Dave Meltzer has never passed my sniff test. I never understood how a guy who never worked, produced or even held a boom mic for a legitimate wrestling match- how anyone would take his ratings or assessments seriously.
Literally all it is is that he was one of the first to do it and people in the business used to like and respect him and he was able to get enough insider info to make an interesting newsletter. If the internet and Twitter and smart marks had existed back when Dave started the Observer someone else would have beaten him to the punch. He's literally only noteworthy bc he's a smart mark with a keyboard from an age before they were a dime a dozen.
@@xxrocketshark216xx4 They claim he’s good at being a wrestling historian, but frankly, even that function I wouldn’t trust given how his memory seems sus over time.
The TNA number was a typo. It did 5,000 not 500. However, i don't doubt Jim and Brian are bigger than TNA. I always listen to Jim and Brian, i never watch TNA.
According to Uncle dave, AEW's lower ratings was because of other live sports, but when the same happened to Raw, he said people come up with excuses like nfl (live sport).
And the previous two years, AEW also had to deal with those same exact live sports…and the last two years their ratings were higher by 100-thousand plus. It’s just excuse after excuse from them
I give this podcast 5 out of 5 🌟 Honestly, Dave giving a match 6.5 out of 5 stars is like saying 10 out of 9 times, Dave is right and a good "journalist."
I'm willing to bet even he doesn't actually. I think he just said that he did to either: A. Stay ahead of the curb, incorrectly assuming all the internet smart marks who actually subscribe to his drivel would and not wanting to have the wrong opinion or B. He doesn't wanna hurt his friends' feelings
Is Dave's plan to eventually sell the Observer to Tony Kahn and retire or something? On the booking a show idea, just putting this out there with enough time and you could probably pull off a few decent level events in the four corners. Especially Grand Junction, CO look up JuCo, Rock Jam, and Country Jam. Moab, UT around Easter weekend, tends to be the big Jeep weekend, yes playing a Sturgis card. And Page, AZ/Lake Powell or Lake Mead around Spring Break. I'd say 20,000 up easily on all of them as long as you had a few names. Not sure on RMPRO(CO) and UCW's(UT) current status, but there's Riot City out of Nevada. Just a thought.
Meltzer Rating System: Referee shows up 1 Star 1 opponent shows up 2 Stars Both opponents show up 3 Stars Ring the bell to start match 4 Stars They sell popcorn 5 Stars
As a Japanese I never understood some American obsession with Japanese wrestling, most of the Japanese I knew think American wrestling are superior to Japanese wrestling.
Nothing is superior is pro wrestling. It all ultimately depends on which style a person prefers. Americans prefer emphasis on storytelling and character development whilst most Japanese prefer emphasis on the in ring work and realistic hard hitting matches. The U.S. has a lot of people so there are going to be a section who prefers the Japanese style of Pro Wrestling
@@EliasRoy Maybe it’s hard hitting and realistic before like 2009 it’s not the case anymore, I feel like Buddy Mathews and Tommaso Ciampa are better strikers than 95% of the Japanese wrestlers these days.
It is not an "American obsession" currently, it is one man, goof Meltzer. Back in the VHS tape trading days Japanese wrestling was like gold. Watching guys like the Funkers, Hansen, Brody, Vader, Gordy working stiff with the local stars was just tremendous. Has not been tremendous for over 20 years. Nobody told Dave that.
It became prevalent with AJPW and NJPW in the 90s. AJPW was a very serious if dangerous product and NJPW really introduced cruiserweight style. American wrestling was pretty bad on the mid 90s so the early internet wrestling community was very pro-Japan.
Star ratings will always mean nothing when Melter and his ilk are rating matching in a vacuum not taking any story or character building into account. What Meltzer likes about wrestling is entirely different to what normal people get out of it. Moves and matches are only half of what this industry is about but smarks rate it like that’s the whole package.
The fact that the young bucks and jon moxley has more 5 stars than Kurt Angle Bret Hart and the undertaker is a crime against wrestling and let's you know how far Dave meltzer sank as a wrestling observer
Anyone that actually takes Dave's personal match ratings seriously to heart are just lost causes at this point. His ratings have been awful for decades now and anyone with a brain can see it
Dave's review of Jericho v Hook is just him scrambling to defend AEW's booking and once again blame the fans for the negatives. "The fans rushed the heel turn..." Shut up Dave.
What i have learned from Meltzer's ratings is they make more sense if you interpret them as being a 10 scale now and just divide by 2 to normalize them to ratings from 15+ years ago. Inflation hitting everyone.
Remember "X-Pac Heat"? Now we have two new terms, thanks to AEW! "Jericho Heat" and "Cowboy Heat" Possibly soon to be followed by another brand new "Jungle Boy Heat"
Uncle Dave reporting TNA sold 500 PPV's while conveniently forgetting to include other methods of purchase is quality journalism. Say what y'all want, I'd rather watch TNA than AEW.
The spectacle. Hearing what he says next, and how ridiculous it'll be. What he says has very little credence. He's at Hulk Hogan's level now. People want to hear what bizarre statement will come next.
@@waynetech10 I'm right there wanting to hear and laugh. But I stopped my subscription. I stopped listening to Dave like 8 years ago, because at that time he was just playing both sides of any argument to cover himself. Plus him and Alvarez have their own q&a things... So he's got actual fans
Hogan vs Andre was a pretty well put together match considering Andre's limitations. Maybe doesn't hold up to today's wrestling fans but it told a pretty great story with the set up ect.
Al Snow said it best. That's the best match of all time because of all the pomp and circumstance. Throw in Andre being unable to move and still getting the spectacle we got, it's iconic for a reason. Dave having 40 years of "credibility" after that is astonishing.
Hogan Andre will always be the greatest match ever, headlining the biggest show ever. Meltzer has ALWAYS been a goof and a fan of pipsqueak gymnastic flippy floppers.
Didn't Meltzer himself say at one point in his intervew with Chris Van Vliet that he takes into account the crowd reactions and atmosphere of the matches when giving these star ratings? You mean to tell me he saw that Jericho match, witnessed that energy from the crowd and went "oh *chef's kiss* impecable heat Chris, here have 3.25 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️"
AEW fans are the only people still supporting the Observer, that's why he has to protect them at all costs. If he loses their support he's out of a job
Can not wait for the review of Kenny “Breathless Harpo” Omega forcing fake tears and talking about collostomy bags, along with Okada’s cringe inducing promo
I saw Dax from FTR accusing Bischoff of taking money from someone to criticize AEW on Twitter. Brian and Jim sorta touched on the subject but I’d like to hear this topic discussed more
“Well you know, ughh, the thing about the Jericho match is, ugghh, you know, is that Chris Jericho, I mean, if he had lost that would have probably maybe been ok and people might have possible cheered, but uggghh, I mean, but it’s like with Chris Jericho, he’s always trying to maybe get good heat and this might have been an example of that.” -Uncle Dave
Meltzer reviews AEW the same way Homer Simpson initially reviewed restaurants. The only thing missing is a fat AEW roster with Tony Khan's knees collapsing.
Spoilers: The main event of tonight's Dynamite is a segment featuring Kenny Omega, Young Bucks, Okada, Jack Perry, and FTR. Good luck for those who haven't watched yet.
Aew is like if Roger Ebert fell in love with Bollywood movies and a Hollywood production company started to remake them with a big budget so they can get thumbs.
To say that will anyone be talking about this match in 2 years never mind 20 years later, my best mate and I still talk about Perfect vs Bret and Owen vs Bret steel cage and Savage vs Steamboat and so on, if they are still talking about this match in two to five years then maybe I will consider what Uncle Dave is saying.
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The fact that Kurt Angle has ZERO 5 star matches but plumber moxley has about 100 of em with his death match crap says how STUPID his "star" ratings are
Don't forget that Moxley was recently crying about being overlooked. I guess all that free advertising Dave is doing is not paying off.
Yeah star ratings mean absolutely nothing if Angle vs HBK or Angle vs Taker are not 5 stars.
Seriously, once you learn that arguably the greatest in ring wrestler of all time doesnt have a single 5 star match, you cant take any of his ratings seriously.
@@tigerbug69Not defending Dave but a lot of wrestling fans just don't like the WWE's style of match. Things like too many pointless pin attempts that everyone and their grandma knows won't result in a 3 count, no moves other than a finisher and a school boy roll up getting a 3 count, heel getting heat for 10 minutes before the babyface makes a comeback and just the overall predictability of WWE matches.
personally I'd have given angle vs shane & some of his matches vs benoit 5.. he also probably got robbed of 5 vs Lesnar by that horrific SSP botch. The two other matches not getting 5 that prove his ratings mean shit are not giving TLC 2 five (only giving it 4 and 3/4ths) and Rock vs Hogan which he only gave 3 stars because it wasn't one of his preferred flippy workrate vanilla midget vs vanilla midget cheoreo fests.
Let's think about this for a second,
Trent Beretta defeating Matt Sydal in a dark match got 3.25 stars.
Hogan v Rock at WM18 got 3 stars?
Seems legit.
God, I hate that this is a factual statement.
Jesus fucking Christ. That honestly says everything
This hurts to read
Dave doesn't seem to like story much, eh.
Cornette DOES have a point about this match. Both of these guys were pretty good back in their WWE days. Low midcard on a PPV level.
Meltzer saying that Jericho’s heat is “good heat” is like saying that Vince McMahon is getting some good heat atm
Jericho has go away heat nowadays. “Please retire” chant is the worst lol
Amazing
@@raysiva "Please retire" is definitionally telling someone to go away lol
It’s bad heat but still real heat
I'm sure Meltzer is going to give that Dumpster Fire tonight with Shibata at least 4 stars. But remember AEW is "Real Wrestling."
Dave doesn't understand Jericho's go away heat because Dave has go away heat. He's just blind to it.
The ratings are just stupid anyway, never mind Dave's regular jumbled bullshit.
Well said.
Very good.. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@thomasgodfrey7587I've always multiplied everything Meltzer said by zero ever since around 2010s, maybe 2013, once I learned he was never truly in the Pro Wrestling business aside of journalism, not in the ring, nor in the backstage, nor in the commentary, nor in the management, or anything; he had few, if any, ideas on what he's talking about.
His interview with CVV further confirmed my view on him.
I’m convinced Jericho writes up his own reviews in Meltzers website.
he definitely has an alt
Multiple @@freiflug83
J. Jonah Jameson from “Spider-Man” is a more objective reporter than Dave Meltzer
The Moscow Gazette under Stalin’s regime was more objective than Unca Dave
Ahahahaha 😂
At least JJ eventually sees that Spiderman isn't the bad guy. Meltzer will never admit that AEW is really in the shitter, as long as Tony keeps giving him his 20+ min Masturbation matches with OceanSpreay.
@@matthewhostetter8974 JJJ, portrayals like Insomniac's Spider-Man and such aside, also, USUALLY, WHEN WRITTEN WELL, puts a lot into journalistic integrity, social issues etc.
@@matthewhostetter8974 Ouch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Tony Khan is booking for Dave Meltzer" ~ Eric Bischoff.
You could take out the word 'essentially,' and be more accurate. It's obvious at this point.
@@jesuszamora6949 At this point? It's been this way from the very beginning.
Remember when CM Punk said the AEW wrestlers perform for star ratings from some goof?
We all know who that goof is
Dave should never be taken seriously, so "Goof" is apt. The fact aew wrestlers look to him for affirmations is sad.
Meltzer’s comeback to that was saying that Punk called him “every week” while he was in AEW. I’m willing to bet that someone was posing as Punk to rib him or he’s insane, which are 2 valid explanations.
@@eiephants the fact that they serenaded Kenny Omega to the ring with talk of the "only wrestler to achieve seven stars" was so unbelievably pathetic - actually made Kenny Omega look worse in my opinion. His status should preceed him in and out of kayfabe.
Mjf too
Funny thing is people are having all these high star matches.....but the program can't average over 800k for weekly TV. Newsflash. No one cares about the ratings besides Tony and Dave.
Dave handing out more stars than a game of Mario Party.
…. There’s like 2 boards in the entire series that give out stars like Meltzer, and one of them is on the ds.
Its a me dave meltzaa
Yeah, uh, it uhh a me, maybe , uh mario.
"We're the only two people here to play Mario Party, Dave"
"Well what you gotta understand is that there's a lot of competition going on for Mario Parties right now, what with the NBA playoffs and pre-emptions and social media causing people to ignore some of these parties or maybe show up later. Really, the ACTUAL amount of people here is, like, 2 + 18 once you take into account the time zone---"
"You can only have up to 4 people in a Mario Party though"
"Traditionally, yes. I mean, in a traditional sense, can the game only have four people, the answer would be yes. But what I'm saying is that you can't gauge _this_ Mario Party by the standards of _Mario Party_ and have to look at it from the perspective of---
"Fuck it. I'm going to go play Garfield: Lasagna Party, Dave"
@@barry-allenthe-flash8396 what's Todd the Shroom during in the Impact Party Zone?
Judging by the ratings, Dave must have one giant arm now like Quagmire
Lmao
Giggity
Meltzer was definitely looking like Randy Marsh in the room with the computer on the episode where the internet dies.😂
@@coryshannon3815 It was Ectoplasm.
Meltzer flooded his entire house for OceanSpreay, and the rest of the ratings was a pity Fuck. To make up for the fact Mania was better, Dynasty buy rates sucked, Tony made an ass of himself and OceanSpreays feelings got hurt.
Rumor is Dave went through 2 fresh boxes of Kleenex during that Osprey/Danielson match.
I haven't seen that rumor where'd you read that?
Dave has an innie.
that rumor is untrue: it was 5.
And his palms look like a chia pet
And 6 things of Vaseline 😂😂😂
Reminder: from Meltzer's own chicken lips, the star rating scale actually goes to infinity. So on a scale that goes to infinity, this PPV was dreadful
Meltzer is proof about its not what you know, it's who you know.
PPV was actually great, just a few bad moments like any other wrestling show
@CadChamberlain I wouldn't agree. Match quality was alright across the board for the majority of the night but the booking and lack of compelling storylines made it another episode of Dynamite 🤷♂️
@@CadChamberlainIf you enjoyed that, you also like: a video of a pile of crap slowly breaking down; 2 girls 1 cup; and all of the Neil Breen movies.
@@chuckles9767 I sincerely apologize. You are correct, 2 girls 1 cup is truly a masterpiece compared to AEW.
I wish I had a woman who was as shamefully fond of me as Dave is for AEW.
No thanks she would probably have dave's face.
😂 @@wwmoggy
If Cornette told us to boycott AEW for a week they would lose 15-20% of the audience
All he has to do is not review these shows and it be a wrap 😂
I don’t think that many Cornette fans are watching aew. Certainly for me, myself I don’t think it’s even available in Australia, and I regularly go to England I’ve not seen it there either. But I don’t look for it either.
@@Giveme1goodreasonit’s on Kayo
Viewership & Attendance tells the story people don't watch not bc of what Corny says but because the product is what was it Goldberg said " Cheesy"
The hardcore AEW fan who can tolerate Tony Klowns booking and the Boring Bucks wouldn't listen to Cornette, Bischoff, Dutch since they use common sense and logic whilst Uncle Dave, Conrad & Tony Klown all live in laa laa land.
Jericho: "are they booing me?"
Dave: "no, uh, they're uh saying boo-rns"
We were saying “BUDAS”
@@thebristolbruiserThey saying “Budah” to Chris?! 😂
Jeericho
SUCH an underrated comment.
One of those “if you know, then you know”
Hans Moleman receiving a football to the nuts would get at least 4 stars according to Dave…..
To quote Kevin Nash, "that's cool, but what did they draw?"
Over a million $. Surprised tbh, most of their events don't come close to that #. And that's just the gate, not sure how many PPV buys they had. Most likely their 2nd most profitable event after Wembley.
@@Yankeemuscle114Proof of this over a million?
Pretty sure that the gate was $400k...
The gate was definitely $400k.
Funny listening to Nash talk about earning money when he ended up costing WWF money when he was champ. Vince almost sold the company and almost filed chapter 11.
But you tell'em Kev.
@@SlimSavageBlanco That was Vince costing the WWF all that money. He's the one who decided it was a good idea to strip Diesel of everything that made him popular as a heel and make him a milquetoast babyface with no edge.
Bro I just rolled a joint.. perfect timing
Cheers !!!
I just took a bong toke, I concur.
Same dude!
Same! Cheers, bruv.
Fresh penjamin
What’s funny is, I thought the Ospreay vs Danielson match was a fantastic match, but the greatest match ever? 😂 it’s like the Okada Omega match he gave 7 stars. It’s a good match, but the best thing ever? Like come on Dave… lord have mercy
Star rating is a joke, not sure how anyone can take that clown serious.. he’s like the kid who is nice to you cause he wants to play with your toys
Uncle Dave had to check-in to a hospital for dehydration, exhaustion and chronic shafing after that Ospreay/Danielson match.
*chafing.
Still, you're not wrong. Meltzer needs to stop being such a cocksucker for Tony.
"If Orson Welles was in a low-budget porn flick, would you STILL give it 4 stars?"
Well...scratch that one off the list of statements I never thought I would hear.
I read in an article that it said that the Brian Danielson versus Will Osprey match was AND I QUOTE "said by many to be the greatest match on North American soil."
NO IT WASN'T. ONE PERSON SAID THAT. NOT "MANY"
These "news" sources are just repeating one person and then claiming many people said it. It's outrageous how the industry is being reported today.
Who would pay for Dave's verbal fellating of AEW everyday. It's gross. I'm ashamed to have ever paid for the observer.
In my opinion, I think because DM spent his life as the "go to guy" for insider wrestling scoops. With the wrestling world evolving(since the "it's ballet" days), and it becoming a part of the pop culture,
I don't believe he's come to grips (or cannot accept) that he no longer is that "go to guy". No disrespect meant, but for the most part, his old school contacts have either passed or left the business.
Now he's just out of touch with the wrestling audience and as more recognizable legit sport media (and pop culture-Rock, Cena) cover wrestling what his utility in wrestling?
I suggest writing more history pieces and obit books.
Honestly people should take it easy on Uncle Dave, poor man has a hard time giving out those ratings with only one hand on the keyboard and the other down his pants. Because Wednesday nights aren't the only nights he gets to stay up late.😉
Giving that Jericho match anything higher than 1 star makes no sense
*AEW is literally sinking like the Titanic*
Dave Meltzer (after every AEW Event): 5-STARS!!!! 5-STARS!!!! 5-STARS!!!! AEW IS 5-STARS!!!!
AEW can't live on "Dream Matches", Meltzer's 5-stars, and Cage Match ratings, but Uncle Dave will continue to simp for AEW till OceanSpreay gets hurt.
Only 5-Stars? Has AEW offended Dave somehow?
Undertaker & Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania got 4.5 Stars 😂😂😂
Pockets and the Pudd’n Gang have more 5 star matches than Kurt Angle
@@zlinedavid Angles has 0 same as Dave's IQ 😂😂😂
@@zlinedavid Even Lars Sullivan 😂😂😂
Angles tv matches in the first few months of his career were better than most AEW matches. @zlinedavid
@@EliasRoyForgot about that one.
Knowing Dave he would definitely give Tony's bump a 10 on his star rating scale lol. And then proceed to go on a tangent defending Tony, and then rambling nonsense while taking 20 minutes just to get to the point.
He never gets to the point though
yet not only never get to the point, but being further away from it than when he started...
I love these bits. They're like 15 minutes' worth of Jim cutting promos on Unka Dave.
I just remove 2*s from Dave's AEW ratings, have been for a few years. Same thing I do with Rotten Tomatoes these days, subtract 15-20 percentage points and that's probably about right.
I texted something similar to a friend that loses their mind over Dave’s ratings. Advised him to take his rating, then subtract 1-2 stars based on what you like. That’s closer to reality.
Dave twisting his own bizarre wrestling notions into a pretzel, to desperately defend the people he thinks are his friends, will always be hilarious
I think we can safely assume that Khan is booking for Meltzer rather than his audience, and Meltzer's brain has been deep-fried by all of the time he's been spending with his balls in the hands of the Young Bucks. That's not to say that they've got him in a vice, but rather, he's being overstimulated by flips and kicks and dives oh my.
I *knew* AEW was a Meltzer focused promotion since the beginning.
I don’t care about the ⭐️ ratings but the “oh come on!” response now makes me deeply invested
0:44 I dunno if I'd call David vs Goliath a great match. I mean, yeah, the babyface won over a big monster heel, but he won in one move. Can't ever book Goliath again after he takes a loss like that to a little guy. He's buried.
Grudge Dave gave Roman v Cody WM match a 4.75. I think he may not have given 5 stars because the quarter point was all his remaining brain, but it is clear that he did not use it at all in the matches he gave 6 or 7 stars to.
My theory is that he didn't give it the full 5 because Cody left AEW.
Dave had to shit on WWE ratings for Mania as punishment for Tony's ALL IN footage not going his way, plus OceanSpreay's feeling hurt when WWE never mentioned him. Dynasty's ratings were desperation for the low buy rate and Tony still making an ass of himself
@@matthewhostetter8974 Honestly? I think it's just Dave going back to his old ways. The "Kurt Angle never had a 5* match, Taker VS Michaels is 4.75*" ways. For WWE, 4.5, 4.75 and 5* say a whole lot more about match quality than for All Elite Inflation. Basically, Dave rates WWE on a 5* Scale where they have to go above and beyond to get up there.
He also rates his boy toy promotion (and NJPW) on a scale where the highest is whatever he wants to give.
Cody Roman was not anywhere near a 4. At all.
It was a schmozz match. Half a dozen runins and pure gaga.
And seriously no Roman match ever is on "the best matches" list.
That being said, when he left he was the biggest star in the business so who gives a single chit about 'work rate' star ratings by some goof
@@yoholmes273 Cody vs Roman was easily the match of the year so far. It was a fantastic wrestling match with all ingredients. It was a much better match than Bryan vs Osprey which had no build or storyline purpose.
This is the same guy who didn't think Hogan vs Rock deserved more than 3 stars for all of its storytelling and crowd reactions.
Dave's AEW glazing is now crazy at this point, he also said Trick Williams is not a good wrestler, i mean, WHAT!! hes insane
Dave parrots what the Bucks say, ignoring the fact that they're flaming GOP racists, all the while pretending to be liberal IRL back when he was trying to cling onto Cornette 😂😂😂 I've never seen a more confused person.
What’s funny is the whoop that trick chant at the end when the faces all came to ringside and Tony was laying there. Dave may not like him, but Trick’s been getting main roster chants and now even at AEW
Put pretty much any WCW cruiserweight match at the top of the card in AEW in 2024 and Dave would give it 10 stars based on what he scores highly these days. He’s lost his mind.
Quick thing: the 500 was a typo in the original numbers. It was 5,000 PPV traditional buys for TNA's "Rebellion".
Explanation:
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[...] Seems to be that it was a chain reaction of misinformation because Cultaholic and 411Mafia has reposted this piece of wrong data, which is hilarious because it seems to specify that it’s a 83% decrease [from Hard to Kill’s 22,400 buys] which makes 500 clearly not the right number.
Also remember that streaming buys for TNA are typically at a larger portion compared to the number of traditional buys (Hard to Kill its around 20000 TV PPV buys, 60000 buys in total)
Accordingly to Ewrestlingnews of whom wrote 5000 instead of 500, seeming to source the WON podcast and added,“It is worth noting that 34.6% of TNA Rebellion 2024 viewers went on to purchase AEW Dynasty 2024 the following day”
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I didn't think 500 was right to begin with. That's so dystopian that if they actually did only get that number I imagine they'd shut the doors immediately. I mean that's like bankruptcy numbers. Not that 5k is that much better...
@@xxrocketshark216xx4but that number will grow a bit along with that number not including streaming numbers at all and the last ppv got 28K in streaming numbers so that’ll grow this shows buyrate and they have a tier on TNA+ that pays for the ppvs that Uncle Dave will never have.
We aren’t saying TNA did a tremendous number but if the real number all told was 20K and Brian is guffawing over a fictional 500 number, that’s not a good look for Brian
@@TheWill1225 I mean im all for calling out Brian when he has an L but he's said alot worse. Think it was just a genuine goof
500 sounds right when you got Ali & Ziggy in Title Matches in 2024
Okada Vs PAC = HBK Vs Taker at Mania
I like PAC Vs Okada. I really did. I doubt I'll remember in 15 days.
It's 15 years later and I still remember watching HBK and Taker. I remember talking to my friends with me watching it.
These two are not equal. At all.
I love it - every Travis image of Dave, has the tongue out! Is that Dave licking the Bucks' butts?
Tony lives on another planet similar to politicians they don’t live in reality 😂
Hook and Taz are jumping to NXT. Imagine Taz and Booker on commentary together lol.
Wait until he sees the Jericho/Shibata match. He's going to spit blood.
y'all just can't stop watching AEW for some damn reason man 😂😂
@@DynastyIcon At this rate there's going to be more hate-viewers than actual fans.
@@DynastyIcon I had to do laundry. I watched the first hour and a half.
It's not hate. It's morbid amusement and curiosity. Besides, without those watchers, it's only worthless fans like you.
I stopped hate watching it 2 years ago. It's f***ing terrible! I still watched WCW and TNA through the bad times but AEW has the worst wrestling shows ever!
@@DynastyIcon 1 guy in here watched it chief, hold your excitement.
Dave Meltzer has never passed my sniff test. I never understood how a guy who never worked, produced or even held a boom mic for a legitimate wrestling match- how anyone would take his ratings or assessments seriously.
💯
Literally all it is is that he was one of the first to do it and people in the business used to like and respect him and he was able to get enough insider info to make an interesting newsletter.
If the internet and Twitter and smart marks had existed back when Dave started the Observer someone else would have beaten him to the punch. He's literally only noteworthy bc he's a smart mark with a keyboard from an age before they were a dime a dozen.
@@xxrocketshark216xx4 They claim he’s good at being a wrestling historian, but frankly, even that function I wouldn’t trust given how his memory seems sus over time.
The one thing that business is predicated on. Dave's stars. Not money, not an audience, not tickets, just a crazy old man and his stars.
I’m a female so I can say this😅
That Toni Storm vs Thunder Rosa match wouldn’t even been 4 stars if they did topless…Dave needs to quit trippin
If the Finger Poke of Doom happened at the Tokyo Dome, Uncle Dave would've given it 15 & 7/8 ⭐...
Rumor has it Uncle Dave has a happy sock specifically for Ospreay matches.
His special sticky slipper. It does twist and turns so Dave gives it five stars
We used to call those slam rags
Dave fanboys so hard for someone not being paid by Tony.
Dave Meltzer gave one of my wrestling matches 4 stars but then gives Nick Wayne 6 stars 😂
Bam Bam Baklava
The TNA number was a typo. It did 5,000 not 500. However, i don't doubt Jim and Brian are bigger than TNA. I always listen to Jim and Brian, i never watch TNA.
According to Uncle dave, AEW's lower ratings was because of other live sports, but when the same happened to Raw, he said people come up with excuses like nfl (live sport).
And the previous two years, AEW also had to deal with those same exact live sports…and the last two years their ratings were higher by 100-thousand plus. It’s just excuse after excuse from them
“Move over Steamboat and Macho Man” hilarious
I give this podcast 5 out of 5 🌟
Honestly, Dave giving a match 6.5 out of 5 stars is like saying 10 out of 9 times, Dave is right and a good "journalist."
More stars than Mario 64
More stars than Mario Galaxy 2
Just to make it clear, even the internet wrestling fans didnt love the 6 man tag match or Jericho match. Its only Meltzer.
I'm willing to bet even he doesn't actually. I think he just said that he did to either:
A. Stay ahead of the curb, incorrectly assuming all the internet smart marks who actually subscribe to his drivel would and not wanting to have the wrong opinion
or B. He doesn't wanna hurt his friends' feelings
Dave watched ospreay vs danielson naked in the basement
Is Dave's plan to eventually sell the Observer to Tony Kahn and retire or something?
On the booking a show idea, just putting this out there with enough time and you could probably pull off a few decent level events in the four corners. Especially Grand Junction, CO look up JuCo, Rock Jam, and Country Jam. Moab, UT around Easter weekend, tends to be the big Jeep weekend, yes playing a Sturgis card. And Page, AZ/Lake Powell or Lake Mead around Spring Break. I'd say 20,000 up easily on all of them as long as you had a few names. Not sure on RMPRO(CO) and UCW's(UT) current status, but there's Riot City out of Nevada. Just a thought.
Dave's room probably resembled a Jackson Pollock painting after that performance by his golden boy, Will Ostrich.
You get a star. You get a star. Everyone gets 5 stars!!!
Meltzer Rating System:
Referee shows up 1 Star
1 opponent shows up 2 Stars
Both opponents show up 3 Stars
Ring the bell to start match 4 Stars
They sell popcorn 5 Stars
I love New Japan & All Japan stuff from the 80s & 90s. Doesn’t mean I want to see every match in America emulating that style.
As a Japanese I never understood some American obsession with Japanese wrestling, most of the Japanese I knew think American wrestling are superior to Japanese wrestling.
Nothing is superior is pro wrestling. It all ultimately depends on which style a person prefers. Americans prefer emphasis on storytelling and character development whilst most Japanese prefer emphasis on the in ring work and realistic hard hitting matches. The U.S. has a lot of people so there are going to be a section who prefers the Japanese style of Pro Wrestling
@@EliasRoy Maybe it’s hard hitting and realistic before like 2009 it’s not the case anymore, I feel like Buddy Mathews and Tommaso Ciampa are better strikers than 95% of the Japanese wrestlers these days.
It is not an "American obsession" currently, it is one man, goof Meltzer.
Back in the VHS tape trading days Japanese wrestling was like gold. Watching guys like the Funkers, Hansen, Brody, Vader, Gordy working stiff with the local stars was just tremendous.
Has not been tremendous for over 20 years. Nobody told Dave that.
It became prevalent with AJPW and NJPW in the 90s. AJPW was a very serious if dangerous product and NJPW really introduced cruiserweight style. American wrestling was pretty bad on the mid 90s so the early internet wrestling community was very pro-Japan.
A high star rating from Dave means your match was only fit for nerds.
That TNA stat doesn't add up (literally) - not defending them but the figures are off and you'd think Brian would have noticed.
Star ratings will always mean nothing when Melter and his ilk are rating matching in a vacuum not taking any story or character building into account. What Meltzer likes about wrestling is entirely different to what normal people get out of it.
Moves and matches are only half of what this industry is about but smarks rate it like that’s the whole package.
The fact that the young bucks and jon moxley has more 5 stars than Kurt Angle Bret Hart and the undertaker is a crime against wrestling and let's you know how far Dave meltzer sank as a wrestling observer
Anyone that actually takes Dave's personal match ratings seriously to heart are just lost causes at this point. His ratings have been awful for decades now and anyone with a brain can see it
So, according to Meltzer, the bucks vs. ftr was as good as Sami vs. Gunther. They both got the same star ratings.
its official: Okada vs PAC is as good as Taker vs Michaels I. You heard it here first.
Dave's review of Jericho v Hook is just him scrambling to defend AEW's booking and once again blame the fans for the negatives.
"The fans rushed the heel turn..." Shut up Dave.
What i have learned from Meltzer's ratings is they make more sense if you interpret them as being a 10 scale now and just divide by 2 to normalize them to ratings from 15+ years ago. Inflation hitting everyone.
according to that, Cody VS Roman was 2.375 Star. You sure about that?
Remember "X-Pac Heat"?
Now we have two new terms, thanks to AEW!
"Jericho Heat" and "Cowboy Heat"
Possibly soon to be followed by another brand new "Jungle Boy Heat"
Brain loves taking shots at TNA.. Even Jim seems tired of it
Uncle Dave reporting TNA sold 500 PPV's while conveniently forgetting to include other methods of purchase is quality journalism. Say what y'all want, I'd rather watch TNA than AEW.
How does meltzer still have any audience?
He brainwashed them with rumors for decades and they paid him for it
The spectacle. Hearing what he says next, and how ridiculous it'll be. What he says has very little credence. He's at Hulk Hogan's level now. People want to hear what bizarre statement will come next.
@@waynetech10 I'm right there wanting to hear and laugh. But I stopped my subscription. I stopped listening to Dave like 8 years ago, because at that time he was just playing both sides of any argument to cover himself. Plus him and Alvarez have their own q&a things... So he's got actual fans
Dave should move the stars to 40 year old virgins. That was 3 and a half 40 year old virgins
Remember everyone, this is the same guy who originally gave Hogan vs. Andre the Giant at WM3 -4 stars, lol
And considers Taker/HBK (WM25) Predictable .... for some reason
1 star*
Hogan vs Andre was a pretty well put together match considering Andre's limitations. Maybe doesn't hold up to today's wrestling fans but it told a pretty great story with the set up ect.
Al Snow said it best. That's the best match of all time because of all the pomp and circumstance. Throw in Andre being unable to move and still getting the spectacle we got, it's iconic for a reason. Dave having 40 years of "credibility" after that is astonishing.
Hogan Andre will always be the greatest match ever, headlining the biggest show ever.
Meltzer has ALWAYS been a goof and a fan of pipsqueak gymnastic flippy floppers.
Didn't Meltzer himself say at one point in his intervew with Chris Van Vliet that he takes into account the crowd reactions and atmosphere of the matches when giving these star ratings? You mean to tell me he saw that Jericho match, witnessed that energy from the crowd and went "oh *chef's kiss* impecable heat Chris, here have 3.25 stars ⭐️⭐️⭐️"
AEW fans are the only people still supporting the Observer, that's why he has to protect them at all costs. If he loses their support he's out of a job
Can not wait for the review of Kenny “Breathless Harpo” Omega forcing fake tears and talking about collostomy bags, along with Okada’s cringe inducing promo
Dude imagine comparing Kurt vs lesnar to a hook match 💀
I am giving this clip 10 stars!
Meltzers tongue can't hurt you.... meltzers tongue can't hurt you....
I saw Dax from FTR accusing Bischoff of taking money from someone to criticize AEW on Twitter. Brian and Jim sorta touched on the subject but I’d like to hear this topic discussed more
Bald FTR crying again, huh? I bet Gun FTR wishes he’d stop.
@@WyattHolliday Gun FTR LOL
🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 🌟 (If it was in the Tokyo Dome)
Thats gonna happen one of these days. AEW is gonna hold an event in the Tokyo Dome and Meltzer's head will explode lol
Hell, probably ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
It's a shame that Trent Beretta vs Matt Sydal was a dark match, that would have main evented an episode of WWE Superstars circa 2009 😂
Dave is mad because he probably tried to get a job with Vince and Vince laughed in face
“Well you know, ughh, the thing about the Jericho match is, ugghh, you know, is that Chris Jericho, I mean, if he had lost that would have probably maybe been ok and people might have possible cheered, but uggghh, I mean, but it’s like with Chris Jericho, he’s always trying to maybe get good heat and this might have been an example of that.”
-Uncle Dave
Meltzer reviews AEW the same way Homer Simpson initially reviewed restaurants. The only thing missing is a fat AEW roster with Tony Khan's knees collapsing.
Have you seen Keith Lee since moving to AEW? Looks like he gained 100 pounds at least
0:16 *_'Suck' is bleeped in America?!?_* 🤣
Spoilers: The main event of tonight's Dynamite is a segment featuring Kenny Omega, Young Bucks, Okada, Jack Perry, and FTR. Good luck for those who haven't watched yet.
Can’t believe I’m about to say this but please tell me it’s Omega and FTR joining sides and beating the piss out of the others.
And Kenny's promo was better than any of Mercedes Moan recent promos.
@@jeffmendez02 Helen Keller could cut a better promo than Sasha Moan.
Aew is like if Roger Ebert fell in love with Bollywood movies and a Hollywood production company started to remake them with a big budget so they can get thumbs.
To say that will anyone be talking about this match in 2 years never mind 20 years later, my best mate and I still talk about Perfect vs Bret and Owen vs Bret steel cage and Savage vs Steamboat and so on, if they are still talking about this match in two to five years then maybe I will consider what Uncle Dave is saying.
Not doing star rating for mania
Meltzer trying to say that Jericho doesn’t have go away heat is probably the most insane thing he’s ever said
so judging by inflation . A 4 star match is around a 2 by old standards . Soooo there's alot of stinkers in aew
Kinda surprised they didn't point out Dave's obviously racist rating of Julia Hart's match because she hangs around "them black fellas"
Fun fact: Bowie wrote Starman about Uncle Dave.