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- This video was a recap for Subaru Sales Associates and affiliates that participated in a driving event pitting Subaru against its core competition. These tests were repeated thousands of times, with the the Sales Associates experiencing each event for themselves. This was NOT meant for public consumption and is therefore not a propaganda video. This video was a review for those people who experienced this driving event themselves. All vehicles were stock, had stability and traction control enabled if equipped, and were operated using the manufacturer's recommended tire pressures. While this video depicts individual instances,these tests were performed thousands of timeswith thousands of participants over a period of two months. The intended audience of this video experienced first hand the documented results.
I love the fact that he says the Nissan Murano has an unusual cvt trasmission, when nearly all the Subarus now have them.
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I laughed so hard when the Honda did the slalom. Dude just SENT IT.
Oh man. I laughed so hard on this comment. You made my day. 😂
That's what i thought till i saw the volvo full send
the vtec kicked in yo
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No one:
TH-cam: hey heres a car video from 14 years ago
I drive a 2006 Forester X. I am loving this vid!
and yet 9k of us dummies watched it.....
"spaceman" -oh, i understand: You're one of the lobotomized ones which change car at each 2-3 years just because the producer announce it's for sale "new model". You don't use YOUR BRAIN, but just let others to think and decide for you.
Newest models are ssstupid exhaust obturated, which give stellar egt and very low reliability, not to mention astronomical rise of electronics involved, which give opportunity to break everytime something.
PS i use a 1999 vw passat awd (torsen) tdi vp37 which got 750.000km and still took one gallon per 100km (or even better) and works just fine at DOUBLED factory power and torque (clutch upgraded too) .
14 years ago or not, my Subaru Legacy has superior handling than most modern pieces of crap on the road, no one else seems to notice but Subaru people will understand. In the wet or snow it's in a league of its own particularly.
Great for overtaking 40 mph zombies also
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Me like one more year.
"these aren't professional drivers they're Subaru salesmen" lolololol
Thats a discrete way of saying "Rally enthusiasts"
It’s also a discrete way of saying there’s bias!
But I do luv my Subaru 👍
@@andrewnicolas4839 in the video they litterally say the opposite 1:43
@@Aronsson007 I litterally believe everything everyone says. I don't believe the subaru's were launched from a grip point on the inclined roller bed.
@Rekt height so what is your point
A Subaru is still better then your corolla
I posted this AND I was there and drove the vehicles myself. I definitely didn't want to look bad and didn't know what each vehicle was capable of when climbing the hill. Each person was able to see for themselves the differences. Keep in mind most of the Subaru dealers at that time were partnered with other brands in the same store. Most of the consultants sold more brands than just Subaru and in higher volumes (hence more allegiance due to bigger paycheck). These exercises were eye opening.
the tribeca drove good?
The potholes, tight curves, traction, and driving up mountains probably explains why almost every Oregonian has a Subaru
@@EugeneAyindolmah don’t forget the weather….
Rain, snow, etc….
I have a mk1 CR-V and it wouldn't struggle with a hill like that at all.
I know they changed the design but surely it couldn't be worse than first gen ?
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7:50 “Nissan Murano has an unusual continuously variable transmission”
Subaru in 2020 : Am I joke to you?
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Does Subaru provide cvt in their new cars?.......
CVTs have been standard since 2010 in most subarus
@@glub__blub that's sad news ☹️ I hate CVTs.......
@@theraildynasty_ same here, I’m in the process of buying an outback and avoiding the cvts is very tricky
I just bought a used 2004 Subaru Outback. It's my first AWD vehicle. I've not driven it up any 35 degree grades yet, or on icy roads, but it does perform better in traffic than any other car I've owned. I've had to make some quick, sharp turns with it and it performs with no problems. I am so glad I went with a Subaru. This is going to be my road trip vehicle.
How did that turn out
we need an update
@@user-of9mo5wz8o most likely several blown head gaskets
@@kobihemmerle1140 You just have to replace the OEM headgasket
So, have you done many quick, sharp turns with your Subaru now? 😄Yeah, Subaru's 4WD is great, no doubt.
Subarus AWD system is amazing. I took my STi on a jeep road to 11000ft in telluride, people in their lifted Jeeps were looking at me like i was crazy. With the right tires, its unstoppable in the snow, ive plowed through 3 foot snowdrifts while jeeps, tahoes and x5s were rolled off the side of the road. Even on sheets of ice uphill, the car just goes up, all 4 tires spinning, sliding sideways uphill...its fun as hell. and it brakes amazing in the snow, turns awesome, and outaccelarates anything
@C K you are so stupid lmfao
@C K you just simply said a wrong statement. you can hate Subarus all you want but don't lie.
@C K 95%? They have the same symmetrical awd in every car. There is no 4x4 used in any.
@C K The STI has lockable differentials
@C K well thats just plain wrong, lmao
I've done the dirt hill climb is Subaru's before. My father used to sell them and his dealership used to have a cool dirt and gravel track off on the side of the property. He told me to put the car in 3rd gear and man did that Forester zip up the steep hill without a problem. Down was just as fun.
I used to have a 95 Legacy and it was the best car I ever drove in the snow and other crappy conditions! It was like a mountain goat!
Living on the edge.
That’s great. But really though, these cars would probably be beating sherpas , rubicon’s, and hummer h1s with these drivers and there “fair” testing.
I had a few models and did alot of trails. Still can't believe how well they did. I mean going up steps driving up creeks and poweline hills. Daily drivers too.
@@porkchopexpress6969 Lol. Hummer. Put my outback 3.6L against Hummer in any conditions. Same drivers different cars. All sucked probably, but Subaru was most capable. ?
@@3mtech lay off the weed buddy.
I am a pretty die-hard Subaru fan... owned an Impreza and now a Forester, but this video is pathetic. It is quite obvious that the Volvo was chucked harder on the skid pad..... and the hill climb seemed fishy to me. I doubt they had their foot hard down. All this video does is make a good brand seem like they need to lie to seem better. No disrespect to the other brands. Volvo and Toyota are both fantastic in my mind as well.
Richard Bonnell the XC70 that walked up the hill is the exact same weight an chassis as well as AWD system as the XC90 that mysteriously kept stalling, please note i have driven up a slick ice hill towing a caravan in my XC90 far more extreme than anything tested here. I have also owned a 2006 forester and I would say it performed no better than the XC90 I currently own driving around a muddy farm yard
They probably did have the their for to the floor. Most awd systems reach a limit where no more power goes to the wheels if traction control is on. Subaru will do the same thing. They had traction control off when the subies went up the hill
@Freddy McIntire ever tried it?
@Freddy McIntire ok i didn't the engine was redlining lol isn't it electronic peddle anyway? I'll I'm saying is that you're not in control, the traction control is what's limiting
Whole this video is a mind messing rubish. And I'm saying that as Subaru owner and fan....
Glad that the algorithm was kind enough to grace me with this video
Also, super interesting that during the 2nd test, the icy hill simulation, every single vehicle's passenger front wheel stays almost completely still. Not really sure why - it's clear some of them have sufficiently advanced TC / torque management to get past the classic open-differential-on-ice problem, so if those rollers were particularly sticky it should just pick up and go.
I'd like to see one done by a car magazine or something, not by a specific manufacturer trying to sell their shit. Every manufacturer will rig the tests to suit their cars best
+dpajc056 This video wasn't done for consumers. It was a recap for the sales consultants who experienced a competitive ride and drive.
+SubScribe So you're saying this is propaganda for those that sell Subaru vehicles? Makes sense.
+dpajc056 I stopped watching after seeing that they put on the the Subaru against a Volvo xc90, I have one. I shouldnt do corners like that Subaru, the Volvo weighs 2.5 tons. Thats probably at least a ton more than that Subaru. If it could corner as good then Subaru would need to go back to the drawing board.
+dpajc056
It is clearly rigged... you can see it. For the "Log and icy hill start", each of the competitors cars are driven onto the roller area, stopped and then they try to get it going, the Subaru Legacy does make it like this. Whereas for the Subaru Tribeca, if you look closely, the driver rolls back onto the non-roller bit, dumps the throttle and then makes it. (around 4:30) The cheat here is that the driver used momentum, to get the car over the simulated hill, a FWD with no LSD could make it as well...if momentum was used!
+dpajc056 traction has more to do with tires than awd or 4wd, and a driver can make a car seem out of control by over correcting, videos from a car manufacture down playing others is personal spin to get you to believe theirs is the better buy
That's that most propaganda I've ever seen in 10min
you might be correct. But what if this is true?
Angel R. I actually think Subaru builds a great car, to the point that this sort of video shenanigans is just sad. I expect better from them, all you have to do is drive any of the Subaru's and you will see and feel that they are very solid cars. I will say the motors are weak in comparison to some, best suited to 400hp or less at the wheels if longevity is a consideration.
yeah don't kill my dream of a Subaru lol. I currently have one, and I'm trying to build it stronger. I've owned many cars, and this is different. I can't wait to see how it handles in snow.
speedweigand don’t watch much news huh?
Could be said about every car commercial ever, at least this is informative and factual. Patrick has a good point too.
This was a recap for all of the people that got to drive each vehicle for themselves. The only people meant to see this were the ones that actually were able to experience the differences.
Right…
How have you obtained this video?
@@iijj the conment above explains that
Just bought an '06 Outback this summer and shortly after hit some fairly deep, muddy dirt roads around Farmington, NM while looking for my campsite. That's when I fell in love with this thing... it handled great in the mud.
Subarus are meant for their incredible all wheel drive handling and stability specially in the snow
The B9 Tribeca was absolutely a competitor for the XC90. The XC90 was the most cross shopped vehicle at the time. The B9 Tribeca was very comparable in stats and amenities.
Apparently not. This would probably best a hummer h1 the way these drivers were paid.
this comment is almost a decade old
The Volvo XC70 shouldn't have handled like that on the wet test - it's ESP system should have controlled that behaviour.
Far be it from me to speculate that it may have been deactivated for the purposes of making the Subarus look better
+Samuel Brooks the driver didn't go full wheel lock during the spin outs... it was an influenced action by the stunt driver.
+Samuel Brooks Although the 2003 XC90 had ESP as standard, the 2006 XC70, sold in the US, did not. In fact, it's hard to find a 2006 XC70, sold in the US, that had it. However, ESP became standard on the XC70 in 2007. It would be highly likely that the 2006 XC70 shown in this video, did not have ESP.
+Samuel Brooks If you look closely the xc70 makes a movement to the right first then to the left the subaru not at all.
Not only that but in the hill test, the XC90 more than likely weighs the most but only has 200 some odd HP to make it up there. If it had the T6, I’m sure it would’ve been fine.
You may think this is a "biased" review, but you should all read about AWD systems as they ARE NOT equal. Honda "AWD" is mostly FWD with a tiny bit of power being sent to the rear wheels AFTER detecting slip. It's not nearly as capable as the Subaru mechanical AWD systems, particularly found in manual transmission models. The Volvo and VW 4Motion systems (excluding the Touareg), are also electronic AWD systems which only divert power AFTER slip and can not completely disperse power to any particular wheel. Audi Quattro systems, found on all longitudinal cars (excludes A3, TT, etc) are rear biased 40/60 split mechanical systems similar to Subaru and can divert up to 49% to the front. The reason they didn't test an Audi mechanical torsen Quattro system is because it would ALSO be able to perform like the Subaru. The Acura SH-AWD system would ALSO be able to perform like the Subaru in this video, as well as the ATTESA system in the Nissan GTR, and perhaps the torque vectoring system in the Nissan Juke.
Don't think that just because the Subaru's outperform the FWD adapted systems in this video means they are perfect. Having a mechanical AWD system comes with some disadvantages such as weight, cabin space eliminated though beefier differentials, lower fuel economy because the system is "always" on, and more mechanical wear and tear.
The last systems you should know about are ones designed from RWD based cars such as the systems found on Lexus, BMW, and Infiniti models. These systems are RWD biased and perform similarly but opposite to Honda, Volvo, Nissan, etc. They are primarily in RWD mode UNTIL slip occurs and then can divert some of the power to the front wheels.
In summary, the "truest" and most capable AWD systems are those found on Subaru's with manual transmissions, Audi Quattro mechanical setups, Acura SH-AWD, and Nissan ATTESA system.
How I'm not surprised that some people are so wary of saying anything bad about Nissan's (world-conquering on circuit racing) ATTESSA yet eager to badmouth other, similarly functioning and even faster reacting electronically controlled AWD systems like 2nd+ generation Haldex used in a number of VAG and 2003+ Volvo vehicles. The only real surprise on the video is that even after visibly trying, the Subaru salesdroid couldn't get the '06 XC70 stuck on the hill to repeat the infamous earlier, viscous coupling model's failure. Lack of talent that enthusiasm couldn't make up for, I'd suppose...
what about toyotas?
what the hell do you guys know about cars? joking
AWD is AWD. I don't see how one car can be more AWD than another. All the damn wheels either spin or it's not AWD...
Annnnd the most underrated yet the best,Mitsubishi's S-awc system.
It fucking smokes anything I've ever driven.Seriously.
I have a SVX for almost 20 years and was one of the first Subaru´s to have the electronic traction control. still a great car.
Some tests were professional drivers. Even when their were sales consultants in the car, there was a professional driver in the passenger seat giving instructions. Over 2,000 people drove the cars on the hill. They didn't know what to expect. They took turns in the competitive vehicle and then in a Subaru. No one wanted to look bad by not making it up the hill in either vehicle. Some vehicles made it and some didn't. It was an eye opening experience for the attendees.
A highly excellent, scientific, objective, and convincing video. Like it!
This was the first time Subaru used the rollers as an exercise. In this instance they had low traction. In subsequent videos they are used as having zero traction or full traction.
One of the many reasons finding a used Subaru is so hard. And when you do they hold their value.
You said this nine years ago and that’s still the case. Damn.
Yes sir, Subarus are up there in the market but it's worth it they'll bring you home nice and safe unlike other cars lol
I love how this video shows so many different subaru's and not just one just to show they can all do it
Love Subarus but this is total bullshit
Subaru used to sell over 1,500 - 2,500 Tribecas a month back in 2005-2007. When Outback went through the roof, Subaru pulled back on Tribeca production and pulled all factory incentives.
I think this was kim jong un his first propoganda project on school
polarweis Ah! I laughed :D
biased as hell...if you want us to believe you put the sound to hear the engines on the hill climb...that will tell us if they are struggling or just not given enough gas
Notice in the roller test both Subaru vehicles were fitted with the active center diff. If the standard system on the Forrester in the first test were used the result would have been very different. I own both a Subaru outback and a Lancer Ralliart and can say with 100% certainty that the bone stock symmetrical AWD system in the Subaru is far inferior to the more advanced active + limited slip diff system in the Mitsubishi on slick surfaces. Not to mention the tenancy of the Subaru system to under-steer under power instead of over-steering on semi slick surfaces, I know under-steer is considered "safer" but I find it to be much less predictable in snowy conditions.
0:53 it was funny seeing the exact car that i drive going around the slalom perfectly. i can attest to this, the tribeca is pretty quick and handles AMAZING.
is it just me or do these seem rigged?
yeah no way volvo didnt make it up that icy hill
C M notice the Dubai’s are limited or high end models while the others are base models.
rigged
Its obviously a subaru advert of some sort
This Chanel is pro Subaru, I call instant bollocks, the advert was talking about Subaru having off road control turned on but no mention of winter mode being turned on on the Volvo, I have driven my v8 xc90 up a slick ice hill far more extreme then anything here and it did it whilst towing a caravan. May I also note the XC90 is same car as the XC70 that drives straight up the hill. Rigged? I think so
the uphill part is frustrating because they will not let the wheels spin on the honda and others because if they did the awd systems would kick on like they are supposed to it depends on wheel spin
No it won't
again the drivers are not giving the competition any gas. why don't you let us hear the sound.
Hmmm I wonder if This was biased???? Umm yes it was big times
of course it is biased. It was meant to recap what the consultants found out for themselves. The results are real.
Absolutely biased. I bought a forester, and it has the roughest ride of ant car out there, and I got car sick driving it
pls read the video description again.
Daniel Costello
Funny because the Forester is well known for having the most complaint ride of small crossovers for 3 generations. It's be documented for over a decade by third party reviews.
invinciblejets you must really really stupid. you don't even understand the real technology and science behind subaru vehicles
First got my 08 forester right before a snow storm in the south east where no one can handle snow, plowed right through and hills ice banks or snow. Love it
not to be a racist but... where is quattro for comparison?
lol damn right
krazy8 omg thats just what i thought. he would have smashed all the others XD
also where is the mitsubishi outlander?
Quattro isn't as good as Subaru's system. It's more like just an extension of traction control these days.
Well the difference is that when Subaru´s AWD system realises slip, it put´s more power to the other wheels while Quattro decreases power on the wheel with slip. So you can´t say that Subaru is better than Audi because at one test Quattro is better than Subaru and on another test it´s the other way round. But still, I think I would prefer Quattro XD
i love my "suebs" they are the only ones with real full time awd, but who ever made this must have had a big set against Volvo's haha
Subarus are great 4wd machines for the price with very good power, handling and reliability, my only concern is about the dated style of all the line. I can remember some futuristic ones as the tribeca, but they are gone. I hope next gen subarus will be better on this point.
Lol
The 12 year old Volvo XC90, amazingly, just got a 'good' score on the IIHS's new "Small Overlap Crash Test". Volvo now has 4 'good' scores for 4 models tested--100% with 'good' scores. The only car company to accomplish this. Subaru has done well also, with 8 models tested - 3 'acceptable' scores, and 5 'good' score. Not bad, but not as good as Volvo.
Subaru are safer than Volvo in 2022)))
@@瘰 False. Volvo can do crash testing in their Safety Center that the IIHS, NHTSA, and NCAP can't do. That is, crash cars at all angles with BOTH cars moving. Subaru can't do that either.
@@777Outrigger What? Subaru are ways cheaper, safer, faster, more handling and have 5 stars fom all tets, but VOLVO some test have 2 or 4 stars dude
I get recommended an ancient video of an old Subaru, filmed on something probably now obsolete. Excellent.
I found the 35°+incline was doable up but extremely difficult with the hill holder feature kicking in on the descent.
Also, the Forester in that test was the only vehicle to make it over the rollers with 3 wheels on rollers at 42:48 of that video.
Notice, no audi quattro was used in the production of this video. Fascinating.
Man it's just makes me want to go out and buy Murano for hill climbing LOL
8:55 says it all LOL!
Theses are.. ............. ...... AT THE WHEEL
David Yel lololol
I miss my 2000 Forester. I went from that to a big RWD sedan and wow the difference in dirt or snow is insane
there's no way that a volvo xc90 can't pull itself up this hill unless there are engine or transmission trouble. I own one and I know this video is fake as hell
Volvo is known for crash safety, not handling. Let me remind you that your volvo most likely uses a Yamaha boat engine setup in the worst way in the engine bay. Ever wounder why there are 10 subaru's on the road for every one volvo? I own a 2011 outback sport and I've witnessed fist hand how well the Subaru AWD system handles on ice and snow. You don't have to accept it but you better reference some concrete proof and im not talking about your midnight trip to taco bell in 2" snow, even my wife's civic handles that.
MaddoxInc keep thinking that
MaddoxInc Yamaha was only the v8 engine Xc90 dickhead.
Kind of wish I hadn't sold my AWD Kizashi......thing took corners like a champ, seriously impressive for the size of car it was.
Are you still alive?
confused on why this was recommended to me 16 years later, but i’m not complaining i was taught something today
LOL 4 wheel rollers will get you absolutely nowhere in any car, You can see the Front Right wheel doesn't move as much this is effectively a 3 wheel roller with a front bias (The easiest kind to test AWD Performance).
In the Tribeca "With only a little bit of effort" REALLY NIGGA? He power climbed (Gained Momentum) if that is "only a little bit of effort" then all cars are Subarus....
Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing! VW/Audi make a great AWD!
A very good comparison video indeed. We need more like these.
People think you can fake these tests.
This just goes to show you that people are willing to put brand loyalty and emotion before facts.
love the guys on the hill getting half way up and then just letting off on the gas. "oh looks like it can't get up" haha. Yeah it won't get up unless you give it some gas. I mean that CVT had no chance in hell, but the volvo? haha that dude is the worst driver i'v ever seen. 8:34 worse than my girlfriend xD
spot on 9:04 there is a moment the XC90 would of got up the hill, "can't have that happen" and he let the gas off.
Omg! I'm heading to the subie dealership right now. This totally unbiased video has changed my mind about everything, lol.
I believe the subaru's are great but I'd like to see a control with the same brand new tires. we don't know the condition of the tires in the test.
NEPA Outdoors tire is not important in this test. How to distribute torque is the key
Xitong Zheng tires are the most important thing. a awd car with all seasons tired won't perform as well as a front wheel drive car with winter tires. if all these cars had the same sand and mud tired they'd perform better.
thanks YT for giving me this random 16 year old video :)
I knew I could rely on comment section not leaving me alone
I didn't know companies openly hated on each other like this. Purposely make others fail
Lochlanist somebody must not have seen the Chevy “real people” ads
'These are Subaru sales people at the wheel' - 'test' ended right there... from a Subaru fan...
@8:55 you say "These are Subaru Sales People at the Wheel. Not Professional Drivers"! Shouldn't it be the other way about for an unbiased and proper test?
5:52 sick drift
Shameful video. Could have been done in a honest way too... xc90 reaches twice the point of passing over but then magically there is no more throttle applied.... the xc70 has no ESP in this comparison? Then VDC (Subs ESP) makes it uneven.
I am a Sub Outback owner. Super happy, yet I prefer honesty to bs..
at 6:08 you can tell the volvo driver grab the ebrake to slide rear out of control! soo fake as shit! I have a v70 FWD and handles great in rain has tracs control and i've took turns a 40mph real hard and it didn't look like this act! lol..
Anyone notice NO AUDI QUATTRO in the competition?
and no mitsubishi,mitsubishi awd cars are as good if not better than subarus,mitsubishi 4x4 and awd 4wd cars are amazing,one of the reason why subaru sti cant compete with evos when it comes to corners andboff road,my mitsubishis montero limited 4x4 or my 2005 kia sorento 4x4 would climb that little hill under heavy rain real easy.
Audi is made by VW...
The announcer sounds like they pulled him from a Grumman Aerospace film from 1967 touting the new Apollo lunar module
i love subaru but this was crap
Toyota still looking for technology in their dictionnary.
You know a video is old when you see the DivX
My FAVOURITE is the Nissan Murano with the "unusual continuosly variable transmission" when Subaru is barely offering manuals anymore and most of their vehicles have or only come with the CVTs, which still suck on reliability.
Lol this is bs. I drive a subaru impreza wrx, but this test is clearly biased. Volvos are great cars and honestly better quality than subarus. forester doesent even have diff locks.
As a Subaru owner it always surprises me to ride in other peoples AWD vehicles and feel the system be so slow or fail to react to slippery conditions. Subaru has me spoiled.
I've seen similar tests done by all major players in the AWD game, all showing how one is better than all others. Personally I would side with Audi and their Quattro. Also I have been in a Volvo on wet and icy roads in the winter some years ago in Norway, going about 90 kph, when a moose wanted to greet us, the car didn't even seem to want to loose control, that situation was much more violent than these tests, a lot more forces involved and it kept going straight. I think that they have done something with the cars in these tests. Volvo's safety systems is world know for being amazing.
UnadvisedGamer I know it is proven world wide that Volvo's perform BEST in safety and road traction scenarios that's evidenced by the fact no one has ever died in an xc90
@@4wdsome444 not very impressive for a car barely anyone drives
7:50 2006 "The Nissan Murano has an unusual continuously variable transmission..."
2015 "Our entire line of Subarus have a wonderful continuously variable transmission..."
after this single testing session both Subarus had to replace blown head gaskets
Subaru is absolutely a TOP engineering company
unfortunately it seems people with limited intelligence can't really comprehend these things.
Hikermike56 I do understand the Subaru being a really good car. But why then the Subaru sales-men have to fake this video?
Hikermike56 awd rules
I drive a subaru wrx woud'nt change it for anything else. Except the STI version ^^
I've had a 2005 Subaru outback LL Bean edition and it's extremely capable. The AWD is one of the best around. I have a 2012 JKU and on certain things it can pose a challenge where as the Subaru outback did it effortlessly. Like a top layer of slick mud.
so biased its more like a comedy video. they definitely faked the volvo action.
I’m sure this is a helpful video for many, nice work. Subaru is definitely the best AWD for the money and safety, although NOTHING beats Audi AWD, I have driven LOTS of cars and I own an AWD BMW (that I absolutely love for the sporty driving) but again Audi AWD cannot be beat.
That's why they didn't include Audi lol
Did he say "UNSUAL" CVT?! Whose using CVT now?! subaru all there crap cars are using it! wow this is pathetic
Subaru was the first to have a CVT in the US with the Justy. Nissan's CVT's are poorly executed which is why Subaru decided to go in house with theirs and make a much better unit that is designed for an AWD application from inception.
I'll rephrase. Subaru had the first modern automotive CVT in the US that bears any resemblance to CVTs used today.
Dave Miller
Why did this video suddenly hit everyone's homepage?
16 years?????? This film is older than 40% of the world population lol
Me: Man, why would someone upload a video today of 2006 car models doing these test.
**Upon checking upload date, it shows 2006**
Me: YO WTF
2k people don't have a Subaru
No 2k people are smart enough to realize this video is shameless marketing.
Lol.
What they don’t mention is that Honda will reach 400,000 miles by the time the forester gets its third engine rebuild.
And I own both vehicles
lol "unusual CVT"
Kyle CVT’s were quite unusual in 2006.
16 years later lets see how many Subaru's are still alive ;)
where Audi quattro
I work at a VW dealership and I can tell you that VW's four motion is the same exact system as audi's quattro
Lol, it's the same company, hahaha. Oh boy.
You're both right and wrong. There are 2 types of Quattro: mechanical and haldex based. The longitudinal motor cars come with mechanical with is a pure AWD designed system, similar to Subaru's manual transmission AWD systems (yes, the automatics get different AWD systems). The A3 gets a FWD adapted haldex system which is primarily 90% fwd. The only VW with true mechanical AWD is the Touareg. The Golf R, Tiguan, and Passat 4Motion are all haldex based meaning fwd biased and not as capable as the mechanical torsen based systems.
Nate Raymond and that's why he works at VW and not audi porsche lambo Bentley bugatti or ducati.
can't pay someone good money when they're ignorant to differences in vehicles. btw newer audi use crown ring diffs rather than the old torsen t3. both mechanical, I think crown ring biases rear a tiny bit more but not sure.
and "where's quattro?"
watching from the finish line
I was just reading about the Haldex and saw this breakdown from a VP at Haldex after a guy with an A3 asked some questions:
I am pleased to see that you like your Audi S3 with the haldex AWD system
and that you disagree with your Torsen friends when it comes to the
excellent abilities of the haldex AWD System. It is a fact that the
electronically controlled haldex AWD system provides a much wider range of
possibilities over a purely mechanical system. We are also convinced, after
having delivered 500.000 haldex AWD systems to the market since our start in
1998, that we also have the best electronically controlled AWD system on the
market.
We have put together some answers on your questions that I hope will be
helpful in your discussions in the Audi forum.
1. There are situations where near 100% torque transfer to the rear axle
occur. An example is if the front wheels are on ice and the rear wheels are
on tarmac. In that case the front wheels have (almost) no grip. In that
case, the haldex coupling will transfer all torque to the rear axle and
prevent front wheel spin. On uniform surfaces however, the coupling can not
transfer all torque to the rear axle. See below.
2. We need slip over the coupling in order to be able to transfer torque.
That slip (rotational speed difference between the front and rear axle) is
created by different tyre rolling radius (front to rear) and drive slip
between the tyre and road. The rolling raduis difference can be created by
differently worn tyres (or different dimensions, something that should be
avoided) and different load. In most cars, the front axle has a greater load
than the rear axle, which causes the roll radius of the front tire to be
smaller than the one for the rear tyres (given the same nominal size). This
gives us the possibility to transfer torque to the rear axle also when no
slip occurrs on the front tyres.
If you have differently worn tyres on the front and rear axles, the new
tyres should always be on the rear axle. This is true no matter if the car
is FWD, RWD or AWD, since you otherwise risk heavy and uncontrollable
oversteer in situations such as aqua planing. In this case, putting the worn
tyres at the front also helps not to reduce the maximum transferable torque
(maximum rear axle torque).
During cruising which a constant velocity, we have the possibility to
transfer up to 40-45% of the torque to the rear axle, given nominal tyres.
During acceleration, the weight transfer increase the front tyre slip and
decreases the rear axle slip, giving us the possibility to achieve more or
less the same torque distribution as the dynamic weight distribution.
Generally speaking, depending on the vehicle somewhere around 60-70% is
possible to achieve during a full acceleration. Note that we are still
talking about a uniform surface, with no spin on the front wheels.
When cornering , there is in most cars a tendency for the inner front wheel
to lift and spin. In that situation, we can increase the torque transfer
even further.
So far I have only spoken about what possibilities there is to transfer
torque. How much is actually transferred depends also on how the haldex
coupling is controlled. The engine torque and gas pedal position are
together with the wheel speeds and the engine speed the most important
signals that are used in the control. Brake, ABS and ESP signals are also
very important for enabling co-existance between the AWD system and the
ABS/ESP system. We control the coupling in order to prevent wheel spin as
well as removing it quicky if it should occur.
3. Steering angle is not a signal used in the control of the coupling in VW
group cars. The reason for this is that the steering angle is not available
in most cars as it is only present when an ESP system is mounted. We do
however calculate the curve radius from the wheel speeds. We have software
ready using more signals as the steering angle that we offer to the vehicle
manufacturers. This enables further optimisation of handling performance.
4. It may vary a bit with speed (and road surface), but without going into
details a figure of around 10-15% would be typical. It is enough to help
stabilising the car while at the same time saving fuel and reducing the
temperature of certain driveline components. As soon as the driver starts to
accelerate or decelerate, more torque is transferred.
5. Yes it does. In general, a higher percentage of the torque is transferred
to the rear axle in low velicities than in high ones. This is partly due to
the fact that the total available driveline torque is larger at lower speeds
(and lower gears), thus causing more weight transfer to the rear axle. In
order to achieve consequent handling characteristics (as well as optimised
traction), more torque must then be transferred to the rear axle.
6. The haldex coupling is completely compatible with ABS and ESP systems.
In order to optimise the performance of the ABS/ESP system, it is possible
to open the haldex couplng during ABS braking or a stability control brake
intervension. The ABS/ESP antispinn and stability control also depend very
much on being able to calculate the vehicle velocity. That is very easy with
2WD, but as soon as you have the possibility of four wheels spinning it gets
very complicated. The haldex coupling and ABS/ESP system interface make it
easier to obtain a good reference velocity.
In the cars where the haldex coupling is available today, additional signals
available with ESP are not used. We do however have software using these
signals. This enables further optimisation of handling performance and life
span of driveline components.
During calibration of the haldex coupling , we try to optimise the traction
and handling performance of the car. These are however not the only aspects
that are important. The final calibration is alway a compromise between
traction, handling, the life span of driveline components, temperatures in
driveline components, fuel consumption and more. If the car manufacturer
wants the same calibration to be used in several different cars, a new
compromise has to be made. Different manufacturers do have different
strategies about this. Some tend to let many cars share the same calibration
while others want to optimise each car individually.
I hope that this answers your questions.
Best Regards
Ulf Herlin
Vice President, Marketing
These vehicles AREN'T designed for steep loose dirt hills.
But as a side note I used drive a car carrier in the 1990s and deliver new Subaru and yes they performed flawless in deep snow and various road conditions.
I wonder where is MItsubishi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Tolis Gamer Probably would have mopped the floor with the competition. ;)
went back home to japan, went bankrupt
Bankrupt
This is awesome! Between the commentator sounding like the NFL Films guy, and the Volvo flying all over like cracked out Tasmanian Devil, I'm laughing so hard!
I swear, I keep looking out my front window expecting that Volvo to do a 4 wheel drift through my lawn :)
I love reading comments about biased people and there cars...... Awd sucks and those drivers sucked. Yeah of course it's biased for Subaru. They don't want you to know how much it is to replace a part or for you to know how much oil leaks from them. Also GAD DAMN they're ugly cars! All Subaruz
denver303 lol 😂
im not much of a car guy, i didn't know what to look for when buying my first car 5 years ago, then some british dude pulled up to the persian dealership i was browsing at. it's a 2005 forester, and he took exceptional care of the car - claimed to have bought it new when he moved here. so far, it's been nothing but impressive to me, especially considering i bought it as a sorta 'beater' first car. i like to take road trips and go camping a lot, so it's been in just about every situation you can think of. a gripe i do have is that the knobs that control the ac pop out really easily, this is probably something to do with the age, but overall it's not a huge deal. the only work i've had done is a replacement to the belt since the original was waaay past due, and the rear right axel was all fucked up, probably something i did to it though. other than that, i wouldn't doubt this thing will last us another 10-15 years. again im not a car guy so i have no idea if anything about the car is at all remarkable when compared to others, i just like it.
I originally bought my wife an 05 crv because Hondas were always good reliable cars but quickly found out that the crv is the biggest pile of garbage ever and got rid of it and now she's driving an 08 forester. Personally I have a 99 legacy gt and an 08 impreza hatchback.
Yep and they drive like a bloated school bus.
I like how they used a XC70 WITHOUT traction and or stability control. I have one and with those on, you can do whatever on icy, wet and muddy roads without loosing any bit of control. And that XC90 could climb that and even more
The crv seemed to do the best in the slalom. The subaru almost lost traction around every corner. And i love subarus
Literally in the speed bump footage at the beginning the subaru is wallowing all over the place. This video is a perfect example of instilling cognitive dissonance in a subordinate.
In the Ice Hill test, the Volvo required little effort to get to the top of the simulated hill. Once he got to the top, all he needed to do was step on the gas to get over the ramp. Instead, he purposefully swerved left and right to make the Volvo slide down.
The front of the volvos are sexy, but whoever designed the rear should be fired 😂
Those middle yellow rails are probably used by "these proffesional drivers" rubbing the inner wall of the tires in order to pass the rollers on the ramp.
"Next video. We will talk about Subaru's engine problem. Super reliable with no issues according to reviews."