I'm actually pulling on the standard weapon banner with all my spare wishes. I'm also pulling for all signature weapons for whomever I have when they rerun. 4* weapons aren't terrible, but we have relatively easy access to 5* weapons in WuWa, and there's not much of a reason to use 4* weapons when you can switch kits between characters in the Tower. Moreover, signature weapons work on other resonators: 1) Yinlin's is BIS for her and Encore, and arguably any rectifier user; 2) Jiyan's is BIS for him and Calcharo, and decent for Jinhsi; 3) Changli's is BIS for her, and for Rover (arguably); and great for any sword user. I really want those reruns to come. :)
@@rolf1819 You still need weapons for your other characters and teams, and they are going to keep adding more characters and gamemodes where you need more lateral investment rather than vertical
@@qaztim11 but why tho? u can switch chrs, maybe if you have a team where they are all using the same weapons, I only see the benefit being short term if the plan is eventually pulling on the limited banner. I put all my pulls into the weapon standard but I kind of wish I got some chrs instead just to have them. I wouldn't mind that pink girl or animal boy just for flavor in playstyles.
I'm glad there's at least someone who understands why it isn't a problem. Like you said, the limited weapons can also be used by other characters so if people just play it smart, they would pull 1 or 2 of each weapon type and never pull on the weapon banner again. Right now I have the standard 5* sword and Changli's weapon so I'm pretty much not pulling for a limited sword any time soon. And also, limited weapons aren't even mandatory. It's unironically a skill issue if anyone can't clear the endgame without them.
I think the weapon banner being as generous as it is came with a massive downside, that the limited weapons feel way more mandatory and they purposefully made 4 star weapons extremely mediocre to incentivize you to pull for weapons. I really hope they add more viable and universal 4 star weapons and not what the majority of them are right now. And to be honest, I don't really like the way it incentivizes you to pull for weapons as much as this.
Tbh if they’re going to make them bad, they should atleast be more easily accessible either through crafting or farming because right now, the value proposition is lacking for them being limited.
this was clear from the second i saw the weapon banner. and its the reason I only pull on units when i can get both. thats the way this game rolls. 4 star weapons will remain niche, and mostly unusable. Variation is the one exception i can think of.
That's the same in pretty much every gacha game. Free/non limited weapons being worse than paid/limited ones is not a surprise. Plenty of people are literally clearing ToA with free weapons and even without any limited characters, I don't see how you think they're mandatory. Also you could literally just pull for 1 limited weapon of each type since the endgame allows for swapping gears around. You just have to be smart with what weapons you pull for, for example Stringmaster, which is pretty much BiS or at least one of the best options for 3 characters. Even Changli's weapon is pretty good on most Sword characters.
@@RanRan_11 yes, 5 star and limited weapons are supposed to be better than the F2P options, but not to this extent. And the F2P options in other games have more interesting perks and passives as well, to be more versatile. That is NOT the case with WuWa's current weapon situation.
Pretty much the way i see it is 5 star weapons are best for Dps and 4 Stars are best for forms of utility aka concerto helping to meet stat goals. The weapon banners are so generous its hard to not consider that 1 copy.
Obviously 5* weapons are better than 4* for any DPS character. That's how it is in any big gacha. 30% damage difference is rough, but you can still clear ToA with max stars even with 4* weapons, so it's all about how much leniency you want with stats on your gear. Just like it is in every big gacha...
Imo, it’s forgivable because 1) Everyone should have at least 1 five star weapon from selector. 2) with standard pulls, you should eventually get another 5* weapon over time from standard weapon banner (where you can target and 100% guarantee a weapon). Whatever you do, don’t spend standard pulls on standard character banner. 3) Limited weapon banner is 100% guaranteed. With proper saving, even an F2P can get the weapon of their favorite character at least. You’ll just have to pick and choose rather than get every one of them as you mentioned. Even if you somehow don’t spend asterite on limited weapon banner, the game will give you at least 7 limited weapon banner pulls each patch from shop reset and other possible avenue, meaning over time you should be able to get a limited weapon. 4) Like echoes, weapons are transferrable in ToA, meaning there’s less strain and demand on players to get limited weapons for every 5-star character. In the end, this still isn’t an excuse to not complete end game content when there’s plenty of F2P runs on ToA being posted. It doesn’t really make end game impossible, especially after the nerfs to Scar boss. The damage difference is big but nothing that stops player from doing their thing. Not to mention Concerto 4* weapon are like one of the best weapons.
Given how cracked Shorekeeper's kit looks, her weapon is probably also insane. Her weapon (which I haven't heard of) will be in a support capacity, so it's likely ER based or HP for her healing.
One of the reasons I have spend all of my standard pulls since launch on the standard weapon banner instead of standard character banner. I already have 3 standard 5 star weapons. After PGR I expected something similar in WuWa. In PGR you can have every newly released character after you start playing (because there is enough currency to guarantee every single one), but the way they have been designed indicates, that you don't just want an S-Rank, you want at least SS (2 copies) and very often their weapons are so integral part of their kits, that they are not only pushing you to spend on the dupe, but also for the weapon. In WuWa, while it's disappointing to see they are designing signature weapons almost as mandatory pulls, it's not exactly surprising. People are so happy they will get a free Xiangli Yao, because they will "save pulls", and I'm like "oh, sweet summer child, you'll need to spend those saved pulls on his weapon". His gauntlet has Stringmaster vibes - insane for Xiangli Yao, and it can be potentially insane for other gauntlet users.
5* weapons just have insane value because of how ToA is set up. It's not 1 continuous fight like spiral abyss in genshin so we can switch echoes and weapons to go on anyone who can use them. Like getting a good echo, 5* weapons benefits multiple characters.This freedom we have with our gear makes it hard to complain about them being OP especially since the weapon banner is just can i get lucky and save pulls or not(i pulled stringmaster but not yinlin just cause it was gonna be BiS on Encore and i wanted jinhsi and her weapon. Now i dont need to raise another rectifier for awhile). The only downside is would be if they started making weapons very character specific like if they did, when [insert skill name] is used,[insert character name] gets 24% atk or something along those lines. That be unfortunate to see.
I think boosting craftables and/or battle pass weapons would be a good move. It doesn't have to close the gap, arguably it shouldn't, but it should shrink it a little bit.
2:50 A quick correction here: the Golden Eternal series refines off both the gingko leaf thing _and_ a copy of the same weapon. So if you focus on refining just one weapon at a time, _it only takes 3 Podcasts to max its refinements,_ not 5. So it is possible to have an R5 Golden Eternal weapon at this point in the game (or even one at R5 and another at R1. Insert "Genshin could never" joke here). Edit: I just remembered that the little gingko leaf thing only comes from the super premium Podcast (the one that gives +10 levels and comes with the patch sigil). So it can take _as little_ as 3 Podcasts, but otherwise you're looking at 5. Apologies for any confusion.
Me from not planning to pull weapon banners but there are leaks regarding about the Gacha system for this upcoming update. I also hope 4 star weapons will be buffed a bit
4 star weapons are good if they have utility, all the weapons that give concerto are the best, the ones that give a heal can make any character use rejuvenating set. The battle pass weapons are the second best option for damage. Treat the weapons as a character banner, save and get them. There are people who have cleared with level 1 four star weapons, so its not necessary to clear, but they are powerful. So plan ahead.
Up until now I only pulled 5 stars characters if I could also get their weapons. For this reason I only got Jinshi+weapon and Zezhi+stringmaster which I also use for Encore.
I use lv80 blue rect r5 and so far Yinin has enough damage to justify her slot and usage of some field time, dealing more damage than dps would have dealt with autos instead. Stringmaster would make her feel almost like an onfleid dps, which is not that necessary and it's enough for me to 30/30. But yeah I'm definitely getting this weapon on rerun, skipping XY weapon and maybe Shorekeeper weapon as well if it turns out being not that mandatory.
With the guaranteed weapon banner, I don't think the gap will be lessened or that it should be. The weapon is already guaranteed as long as Kuro keeps making it possible to farm enough astrite in-game for f2ps to be able to make the choice of character and/or weapon. I personally think that's the important part - Kuro needs to supply enough options for f2p to farm enough astrite even if whales don't and just spend to get both the character and weapon. As long as in-game rewards can support the choice of pulling at least one copy of a character or one copy of a weapon every half-patch or every patch, then the game is still possible for f2p. Or it should be. Wuwa is the only gacha I've pulled every weapon as a astrite subber and it's only possible because of the guaranteed weapon banner and the in-game rewards so far. I guess I'll be seeing if I feel the same when there's 4 limited banner characters per patch vs the current 2 limited banner characters rn lol
Wuwa is fair. Less than 300 in and have all limited 5 stars and there weapon -changli because I chose the sword from the free. Totally dolphin friendly
nice vid. they could improve the 4*s that has utility or usable on most units like those on genshin. so if we can r5 those then they may be on par with r1 5* weap.
4 star weapons (the ones you can craft with weeky boss mats) are pretty decent. Sword18 is great for Danjin. Gauntlets21D works well with Jianxin (since she plays counter) Rectifier25 is great for Zhezhi and Verina. Broadblade#41 is kinda wortless right now due to lack of claymore users (and you get a def one for Taqui for free) Pistols#26 are probaly the only garbage. They are more for players that are bad at dodge with pistols.
They should release a 4 star version of the signature weapon with lower features like in snowbreak. Also it should be craftable. Weapon craft in this game is useless.
yeah, 4* weapons in Wuwa suck balls, it's one of the few things Genshin does right, their 4* weapons are decent, even up to this day 4* weapons like Sacrificial weapons, festering desire, mailed flower, the catch etc. are still really good but then again, weapon banners in Genshin sucks balls and one of the reasons 4* weapons in Genshin still perform well is probably partly because the difficulty plateaued back in 2.0
I mean, if we're talking about support weapons, WuWa also has one that gives Concerto energy and a heal that allows the healing set to be used. Festering Desire was amazing, then after that almost every event weapon became extremely niche, can't say how the event weapons are gonna be since so far we've only gotten one in WuWa and it's only a 3*.
I would be happy if they did events that gave 4 star weapons or through illusive realm. Its not that they're just weak stat sticks but also have nothing interesting going on like cooldown reset or party buffs
Because the 4 star weapons suck and the dupes will rarely give us a 10%+ difference in damage, it feels like Kuro is screaming at the playerbase to get the signature 5 star weapons rather than going for dupes or making do with 4 star weapons. I get it, zero-damage supports all LOVE the Concerto energy weapons but that's literally the only option for supports right now.
It's not though most BIS are 4 Stars or there comparable to the 5 Stars so doesn't matter how much the Weapon Banner Sucks because you can get a f2p 3 or 4 star
@@LMSYass WuWa also doesn't have this problem, lmao. Plenty of people have cleared the Tower without any limited 5 star weapons/characters. I think there's even someone that cleared with a level1 weapon.
Four star weapons might not be as strong as five star ones however they give for for free a 5* weapon, free standard pulls to either pull characters or weapons AND guaranteed 5* weapon banner. I think we have a lot of possibilities to get something 🤔
I'm actually pulling on the standard weapon banner with all my spare wishes. I'm also pulling for all signature weapons for whomever I have when they rerun. 4* weapons aren't terrible, but we have relatively easy access to 5* weapons in WuWa, and there's not much of a reason to use 4* weapons when you can switch kits between characters in the Tower. Moreover, signature weapons work on other resonators:
1) Yinlin's is BIS for her and Encore, and arguably any rectifier user;
2) Jiyan's is BIS for him and Calcharo, and decent for Jinhsi;
3) Changli's is BIS for her, and for Rover (arguably); and great for any sword user.
I really want those reruns to come. :)
those standard weapons become quite useless when if you're determined to pull on the limited weapons as well don;t you think?
@@rolf1819 You still need weapons for your other characters and teams, and they are going to keep adding more characters and gamemodes where you need more lateral investment rather than vertical
calcharros bis is actually the standard sword since jiyans heavy attack bonus isnt great
@@qaztim11 but why tho? u can switch chrs, maybe if you have a team where they are all using the same weapons, I only see the benefit being short term if the plan is eventually pulling on the limited banner. I put all my pulls into the weapon standard but I kind of wish I got some chrs instead just to have them. I wouldn't mind that pink girl or animal boy just for flavor in playstyles.
I'm glad there's at least someone who understands why it isn't a problem.
Like you said, the limited weapons can also be used by other characters so if people just play it smart, they would pull 1 or 2 of each weapon type and never pull on the weapon banner again. Right now I have the standard 5* sword and Changli's weapon so I'm pretty much not pulling for a limited sword any time soon.
And also, limited weapons aren't even mandatory. It's unironically a skill issue if anyone can't clear the endgame without them.
I think the weapon banner being as generous as it is came with a massive downside, that the limited weapons feel way more mandatory and they purposefully made 4 star weapons extremely mediocre to incentivize you to pull for weapons. I really hope they add more viable and universal 4 star weapons and not what the majority of them are right now.
And to be honest, I don't really like the way it incentivizes you to pull for weapons as much as this.
Tbh if they’re going to make them bad, they should atleast be more easily accessible either through crafting or farming because right now, the value proposition is lacking for them being limited.
this was clear from the second i saw the weapon banner. and its the reason I only pull on units when i can get both. thats the way this game rolls. 4 star weapons will remain niche, and mostly unusable. Variation is the one exception i can think of.
That's the same in pretty much every gacha game. Free/non limited weapons being worse than paid/limited ones is not a surprise.
Plenty of people are literally clearing ToA with free weapons and even without any limited characters, I don't see how you think they're mandatory. Also you could literally just pull for 1 limited weapon of each type since the endgame allows for swapping gears around.
You just have to be smart with what weapons you pull for, for example Stringmaster, which is pretty much BiS or at least one of the best options for 3 characters. Even Changli's weapon is pretty good on most Sword characters.
@@RanRan_11 yes, 5 star and limited weapons are supposed to be better than the F2P options, but not to this extent. And the F2P options in other games have more interesting perks and passives as well, to be more versatile. That is NOT the case with WuWa's current weapon situation.
It kind of balances out if I take about 69 doses of copium, but some 4star weapons do have decent stats
Pretty much the way i see it is 5 star weapons are best for Dps and 4 Stars are best for forms of utility aka concerto helping to meet stat goals. The weapon banners are so generous its hard to not consider that 1 copy.
I agree with you. If not for utility, 4 star weapons could do well as placeholders
Obviously 5* weapons are better than 4* for any DPS character. That's how it is in any big gacha. 30% damage difference is rough, but you can still clear ToA with max stars even with 4* weapons, so it's all about how much leniency you want with stats on your gear.
Just like it is in every big gacha...
Imo, it’s forgivable because 1) Everyone should have at least 1 five star weapon from selector. 2) with standard pulls, you should eventually get another 5* weapon over time from standard weapon banner (where you can target and 100% guarantee a weapon). Whatever you do, don’t spend standard pulls on standard character banner. 3) Limited weapon banner is 100% guaranteed. With proper saving, even an F2P can get the weapon of their favorite character at least. You’ll just have to pick and choose rather than get every one of them as you mentioned. Even if you somehow don’t spend asterite on limited weapon banner, the game will give you at least 7 limited weapon banner pulls each patch from shop reset and other possible avenue, meaning over time you should be able to get a limited weapon. 4) Like echoes, weapons are transferrable in ToA, meaning there’s less strain and demand on players to get limited weapons for every 5-star character.
In the end, this still isn’t an excuse to not complete end game content when there’s plenty of F2P runs on ToA being posted. It doesn’t really make end game impossible, especially after the nerfs to Scar boss. The damage difference is big but nothing that stops player from doing their thing. Not to mention Concerto 4* weapon are like one of the best weapons.
4:21 That clean 100k was satisfying.
Finished talking about Rectifiers
"Will this be Rectified?"
😂
Given how cracked Shorekeeper's kit looks, her weapon is probably also insane. Her weapon (which I haven't heard of) will be in a support capacity, so it's likely ER based or HP for her healing.
One of the reasons I have spend all of my standard pulls since launch on the standard weapon banner instead of standard character banner. I already have 3 standard 5 star weapons. After PGR I expected something similar in WuWa. In PGR you can have every newly released character after you start playing (because there is enough currency to guarantee every single one), but the way they have been designed indicates, that you don't just want an S-Rank, you want at least SS (2 copies) and very often their weapons are so integral part of their kits, that they are not only pushing you to spend on the dupe, but also for the weapon.
In WuWa, while it's disappointing to see they are designing signature weapons almost as mandatory pulls, it's not exactly surprising. People are so happy they will get a free Xiangli Yao, because they will "save pulls", and I'm like "oh, sweet summer child, you'll need to spend those saved pulls on his weapon". His gauntlet has Stringmaster vibes - insane for Xiangli Yao, and it can be potentially insane for other gauntlet users.
5* weapons just have insane value because of how ToA is set up. It's not 1 continuous fight like spiral abyss in genshin so we can switch echoes and weapons to go on anyone who can use them.
Like getting a good echo, 5* weapons benefits multiple characters.This freedom we have with our gear makes it hard to complain about them being OP especially since the weapon banner is just can i get lucky and save pulls or not(i pulled stringmaster but not yinlin just cause it was gonna be BiS on Encore and i wanted jinhsi and her weapon. Now i dont need to raise another rectifier for awhile).
The only downside is would be if they started making weapons very character specific like if they did, when [insert skill name] is used,[insert character name] gets 24% atk or something along those lines. That be unfortunate to see.
I think boosting craftables and/or battle pass weapons would be a good move. It doesn't have to close the gap, arguably it shouldn't, but it should shrink it a little bit.
2:50 A quick correction here: the Golden Eternal series refines off both the gingko leaf thing _and_ a copy of the same weapon. So if you focus on refining just one weapon at a time, _it only takes 3 Podcasts to max its refinements,_ not 5. So it is possible to have an R5 Golden Eternal weapon at this point in the game (or even one at R5 and another at R1. Insert "Genshin could never" joke here). Edit: I just remembered that the little gingko leaf thing only comes from the super premium Podcast (the one that gives +10 levels and comes with the patch sigil). So it can take _as little_ as 3 Podcasts, but otherwise you're looking at 5.
Apologies for any confusion.
The funny thing is bro is opposite of me. I wanted jinhsi and changli so i skipped yinlin but i liked encore so i picked up stringmaster
Me from not planning to pull weapon banners but there are leaks regarding about the Gacha system for this upcoming update.
I also hope 4 star weapons will be buffed a bit
4 star weapons are good if they have utility, all the weapons that give concerto are the best, the ones that give a heal can make any character use rejuvenating set. The battle pass weapons are the second best option for damage. Treat the weapons as a character banner, save and get them. There are people who have cleared with level 1 four star weapons, so its not necessary to clear, but they are powerful. So plan ahead.
Up until now I only pulled 5 stars characters if I could also get their weapons. For this reason I only got Jinshi+weapon and Zezhi+stringmaster which I also use for Encore.
5* is for dps.
4* is for concerto.
nothing else.
As a BP user it sucks that the weapons are completely useless
Only for now. I'm sure they're gonna become more useful with refinements (I hope)
It still boggles me that the event weapon for Jinshi was a 3*. Like WHAT?
Even the Battlepass weapons are BS so if you want good weapon, better pull the standard 5 star weapons or craft them.
Don't worry man; Yinlin will come back some day and when she does, you're gonna get her weapon. I know it ⚡️🖤❤
I use lv80 blue rect r5 and so far Yinin has enough damage to justify her slot and usage of some field time, dealing more damage than dps would have dealt with autos instead. Stringmaster would make her feel almost like an onfleid dps, which is not that necessary and it's enough for me to 30/30. But yeah I'm definitely getting this weapon on rerun, skipping XY weapon and maybe Shorekeeper weapon as well if it turns out being not that mandatory.
That begining kinda sus😳😳😳
Stringmaster is not TOO good, it's simply TOO generic by giving Atk% instead of Skill DMG.
Bro not everyone lucky getting those 5* weapon pull u even think about it before making dis video
Well at least it is guaranteed
With the guaranteed weapon banner, I don't think the gap will be lessened or that it should be. The weapon is already guaranteed as long as Kuro keeps making it possible to farm enough astrite in-game for f2ps to be able to make the choice of character and/or weapon. I personally think that's the important part - Kuro needs to supply enough options for f2p to farm enough astrite even if whales don't and just spend to get both the character and weapon. As long as in-game rewards can support the choice of pulling at least one copy of a character or one copy of a weapon every half-patch or every patch, then the game is still possible for f2p. Or it should be. Wuwa is the only gacha I've pulled every weapon as a astrite subber and it's only possible because of the guaranteed weapon banner and the in-game rewards so far. I guess I'll be seeing if I feel the same when there's 4 limited banner characters per patch vs the current 2 limited banner characters rn lol
In WuWA for me what makes a 5star DPS do 5 star damage is the weapon. If you give a 5 star weapon to a 4 star they almost feel also like 5 stars.
sadly 4S weapons are sucks except ER weapons. But they give 5S Standard weapons are goods and you will get all eventually so it's fine.
Wuwa is fair. Less than 300 in and have all limited 5 stars and there weapon -changli because I chose the sword from the free. Totally dolphin friendly
Yes also the 4* weapon design is sooo bad , its like they actually encouraging you to pull for limited 5* weapon but im so glad its guaranteed
nice vid. they could improve the 4*s that has utility or usable on most units like those on genshin. so if we can r5 those then they may be on par with r1 5* weap.
4 star weapons (the ones you can craft with weeky boss mats) are pretty decent.
Sword18 is great for Danjin.
Gauntlets21D works well with Jianxin (since she plays counter)
Rectifier25 is great for Zhezhi and Verina.
Broadblade#41 is kinda wortless right now due to lack of claymore users (and you get a def one for Taqui for free)
Pistols#26 are probaly the only garbage. They are more for players that are bad at dodge with pistols.
They should release a 4 star version of the signature weapon with lower features like in snowbreak. Also it should be craftable. Weapon craft in this game is useless.
I was so lucky that i get her weapon in 11 pulls
I'd say that pulling for their signature weapons would just make the rest of the game feel easier to play or clear. So, not much of a necessity.
yeah, 4* weapons in Wuwa suck balls, it's one of the few things Genshin does right, their 4* weapons are decent, even up to this day 4* weapons like Sacrificial weapons, festering desire, mailed flower, the catch etc. are still really good but then again, weapon banners in Genshin sucks balls and one of the reasons 4* weapons in Genshin still perform well is probably partly because the difficulty plateaued back in 2.0
I mean, if we're talking about support weapons, WuWa also has one that gives Concerto energy and a heal that allows the healing set to be used. Festering Desire was amazing, then after that almost every event weapon became extremely niche, can't say how the event weapons are gonna be since so far we've only gotten one in WuWa and it's only a 3*.
I would be happy if they did events that gave 4 star weapons or through illusive realm. Its not that they're just weak stat sticks but also have nothing interesting going on like cooldown reset or party buffs
Because the 4 star weapons suck and the dupes will rarely give us a 10%+ difference in damage, it feels like Kuro is screaming at the playerbase to get the signature 5 star weapons rather than going for dupes or making do with 4 star weapons.
I get it, zero-damage supports all LOVE the Concerto energy weapons but that's literally the only option for supports right now.
i played genshin few years ago, they had the same shit. No idea if they do still or is it worse
wuwa is better since the weapon is guaranteed at least imo
It's not though most BIS are 4 Stars or there comparable to the 5 Stars so doesn't matter how much the Weapon Banner Sucks because you can get a f2p 3 or 4 star
Bro genshin never had this problem in genshin weapons are just luxury 4 star weapons are enough to clear Abyss
@@LMSYass WuWa also doesn't have this problem, lmao. Plenty of people have cleared the Tower without any limited 5 star weapons/characters. I think there's even someone that cleared with a level1 weapon.
@@LMSYass strange in my memory character that I used with specific 5 star wep did like 20-40% more dmg then with 4 star wep
Four star weapons might not be as strong as five star ones however they give for for free a 5* weapon, free standard pulls to either pull characters or weapons AND guaranteed 5* weapon banner. I think we have a lot of possibilities to get something 🤔