Not this where the inside ist rotating, but mechanical pensels in general yes. At least from i can deduct, because my now about 63 old mother has still her mechanical pensel from her schooldays.
I stumbled on this mechanical pencil years ago. I’m a construction estimator and I have one at my desk, one in my truck and one at home. My favorite pencil ever.
The fact u said ur a construction estimator means absolutely nothing bro. Shut up and get a regular pencil. U probably don't know shit about construction if u use a pencil like this. Soap stone, marker, and regular pen and pencil...u don't need this for construction. Nobody uses this 😂😂😂
The way you were talking about this pencil and showing it off I was fully expecting a 300 dollar price tag or something when I looked it up, but only 12 CAD, nice! Might have to try these ones
If anyone is wondering why Japan made an advanced mechanical pencil. After living there for 4 years. Mechanical pencils and writing utensils are really big there. Especially among high school and college students. There’s stores that are dedicated to school/office supplies with thousands of different pens and pencils.
@@delta3eightI think he means that there are “writing” stores that ONLY sell writing utensils and has knowledgeable people working the store to ask about pencils/pens
@@ChuckyCheeglesagain. Same here. Papersource is *only* pens, pencils, paper. It's all they do. Having dedicated stores is hardly some fancy features of a specific country.
Isn't it sad? There used to be stationery stores throughout the U.S. that sold items like this, but they've all gone out of business because people would rather shop on Amazon. I think there's a store in San Francisco's Japantown mall that sells Japanese stationery but I haven't been there in a few years. It's fun to shop there.
You forgot the most important thing. The pipe slides into the body as you write, so pushing the button gets reduced to a minimum. If you want the latest Kuru Toga tech, you have to get the Kuru Toga Dive, which twists as fast as the advance but has an auto lead advancing mechanism with 5 speed/length settings.
@Malficion To be fair, if you take care of it, you'll probably never need another pencil, and lead is cheap as dirt. It's like buying a nice suit instead of renting when you use it often.
I can’t believe this came out in 08, the year I graduated 🙈 I used only mechanical pencils of the highest quality of the time, and I was constantly rotating my hand in an effort to keep the pencil graphite retaining a sharper “edge” on one side, which I used to write with great clarity, whereas the “dull” side produced characters that one might mistake for elementary school handwriting. Jesus this would have been a game changer for me…
I have the original of this pencil. It is honestly fantastic, worth the 10 bucks. The lead has lasted me years and it doesnt smudge as much as others(im a lefty). Clarification edit: the pencil came with a container of pencil lead, which has like 40 pieces in it, which I have not gone through yet. I did not mean that one small bit of lead has lasted that long
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlllnot really if he's not an artist you can get years out of a pencil even writing many essays, I've finished so many pens but pencils just keep going
@@shelby6 No. Not from the lead for a mechanical pencil. Absolutely not. I’m a graduate student and I go through 3 or 4 sticks of lead in a week or so. A single pencil? Yeah. I’ve had many that have lasted for years. But lead? No.
From a design perspective, I do actually have a massive soft spot for being able to watch the barrel rotate, so I don't actually like the metal grip all that much, but I'm curious to see how different this version is in line quality.
I completed my entire 4 year engineering degree using this pencil!! I still have it with me, I purchased it it in 2010, best mechanical pencil I've ever owned! 😊
In Drafting class in Highschool, my teacher always demanded we draw perfect lines. 20 years later and still any time I draw a straight line I spin my pencil now without even thinking about it.
ohh so thats what that was. i remember seeing those pencils and ppl using them in school like a decade ago and never knew that it did that. i thought it was just an interesting design
I’ve had the kurotoga for years. I had one and it was the only pencil I’d use throughout middle school and highschool until I got a few new ones. Looks like I have some more to add to my collection.
No idea what your talking about. I've probably used a pencil 5 times in my entire college career. Everything has been on Windows or android electronic devices so no pencils or pens whatsoever.
@@stevenson720 didn't entire math course one semester and it was entirely on the computer as well. There was even an entire section on process scheduling which is what computers use to determine the order of operations of doing things.
@@LaidbackAL I'm just stating what I witnessed personally. My English class had you wright stuff down and turn it in at the end of class but the essays themselves where all digital. Other than that I only ever had 1 time I need a pencil/pen and that was because my teacher made us fill out a contract and sign it on paper and he scanned them back in. Very odd. I took one generals class and some people didn't have computers so they would go to the schools library and use a computer there to do their homework.
When I was a kid lead pencils were my favorite thing to use. I imagined the the perfect lead pencil. Thank you to whoever made this is more important than the hubble telescope
It's cool , thanks , and I had no idea these even existed (Despite owning uni products) until now , but I like thicker lines . That's what's good about using normal pencils for me , especially to draw with . I don't think this would be for me unless I need small details , honestly might actually try it though since I saw another commenter say they're pretty cheap
@@thepinkgoblinwhounpluggedy3726 either you're a forgetful person or someone legit stealing your stuff. One of the two. Really weird one but highly unlikely is your bag or whatever you use to carry your pencil has a hole you never knew was there 😂
These are great and all, but you need to try the kuru toga ascent. The lead is infused with human hair and the mechanism spins so fast you age 1.4x faster while using it.
It is a $20 pencil, so don’t expect it to last for over a couple years. If you would like a good quality pencil that will last for a long time, you need to look at a higher price range, for instance the Lamy AL-Star line or Pentel.
@@attaullahkhan4742 Yes, I have had a mechanical pencil from the Lamy line for years. I highly recommend Lamy as a whole because of quality and lifespan. Definitely worth the $50 price tag.
both of u kindly tell me how long you have been using your pencils. I have a Camlin 2.0 (30 rupees) mechanical pencil which I don't remember when I bought it. But I can guarentee it is about 5 plus in my hand. Even it's clip has started to rust. I want something that can possibly last me a life time. And I can give it someone when I am old . So I asked how old are your pencils at hand. If you don't remember u can give me an estimate.
As a pen spinner, the amount of mods we can make with that metal sleeve as a basis is mouth watering Edit: I'm tempted to explain but seeing how confused the people commenting are I will choose to not elaborate further lol
I've been using a KuruToga pencil for a few years now for sketching up mechanical designs before implementing them in my CAD software. The consistent lines are super nice for fine work
While I like the concept, I specifically use mechanical pencils in a way to achieve line variation rather than a thin point. So I would never want to use these unless I was writing or drawing something extreme small or fine.
ive used exclusively kuru toga pencils over the past year of college, namely the roulette and advance upgrades. the roulette definitely has a style advantage, but the advance upgrade's sliding pipe tube and 2x rotation make it much more valuable for me. i write a lot of cursive, and i found the roulette just doesnt rotate enough for ny writing style. best pencil ive ever used
Maybe it has something to do with the way you’re holding the pencil/writing with it. If you don’t know how to properly hold a regular pencil while writing with it, you shouldn’t expect to have different results using a mechanical pencil 🤷
@@ericlongteaches OHHH! I see what you mean. Please forgive me for my assumption. Yeah as the other person said, buying the alpha gel versions might be a good investment for you. Depending on who you buy them from, the Uni Alpha Gel Shaker usually comes in three different grips that you can choose from (Soft, Medium, and Firm Grip), each to accommodate those who may need more finger support while writing with the Kuru Togas.
I love mine for drawing because if you hold it down for a long time at an angle, it stops the turning and gives a cool gradually increasing line effect I like to use for shading
I've had my all silver metal Kura Toga for 8 years now and I absolutely love it. It's a must have for long study sessions. I really doubt I will need a new one but if i ever do, I'm gonna try out this new one❤
I bought one of these years ago in high school or early college and really enjoyed it, plus just being able to watch the mechanics of it work while fiddling with it was really fun!😂
I liked the wear down to an angle on the regular mechanical pencils. It made it easier for me to write fancy using the edge, kinda like a fountain pen.
Ahh i feel nostalgia on this pencil... When i was in the junior high school, almost literally everyone had at least one kurutoga in their pencil case. Meanwhile, i had four~six of them😂
They made metal ones. They actually feel better in the hand to me than the advance. The most important thing about the advance is the sharp part of the tip now retracts.
It's the ultimate lead pen, indeed. The “cheap plastic” Advanced Model it's actually the finest lead pen experience I've tried ever. I can't imagine the metal version.
Im glad kuru toga made a metal design. I had multiple plastic ones and after a while for me the plastic would break or shatter and leave it useless. Hopefully that problem is solved here.
I use a version of their pencils but I don’t remember which it is, haven’t seen that thing since highschool but it was honestly my best pencil I had ever had, it’s very nice for writing and art, but sometimes it’s too precise for a project and you have to downgrade to a wood pencil or charcoal, besides stuff like that it’s fantastic for sketching and consistent lines
Are you telling me that for forty years i coulda had a pencil like this
He said they came out in 2008
@@michaelslifecyclehe's in the future, obviously 💀
@@TurtleTowerOfLife 😂
Not this where the inside ist rotating, but mechanical pensels in general yes.
At least from i can deduct, because my now about 63 old mother has still her mechanical pensel from her schooldays.
hah ain't no way
I stumbled on this mechanical pencil years ago. I’m a construction estimator and I have one at my desk, one in my truck and one at home. My favorite pencil ever.
Amazing for doing maths too!!!
The fact u said ur a construction estimator means absolutely nothing bro. Shut up and get a regular pencil. U probably don't know shit about construction if u use a pencil like this. Soap stone, marker, and regular pen and pencil...u don't need this for construction. Nobody uses this 😂😂😂
I’m a backflow tester and I use this pencil with write in the rain paper daily. Good stuff
How much pressure does it take to turn it? I don’t really press down very hard when I sketch, at least not consistently
@@gokiburi-chan4255yea math isn't possible with a normal pencil ^^
The way you were talking about this pencil and showing it off I was fully expecting a 300 dollar price tag or something when I looked it up, but only 12 CAD, nice! Might have to try these ones
Do it! These are genuinely the best.
A lot of objects that we use daily adopt very smart solutions 😊
@@JS-gt1rq日本での値段もそんな高くないよ
$5 for the basic model.
It's still a lot of money for a singular pencil
This pencil changed my life. I was nothing before I owned it. Now I'm all write.
get out.
hahaha love this
And people aleady make pencil jokes
Damn it
Bravo 👍
Japanese stationery really is next level. That and their chalk have completely changed my learning experience
They had to use a human soul in each one, thats why they write so good
Its worth it.
Now I can open a fortune telling business
😂😂😂
😮
People are losing their minds over a pencil...
If anyone is wondering why Japan made an advanced mechanical pencil. After living there for 4 years. Mechanical pencils and writing utensils are really big there. Especially among high school and college students. There’s stores that are dedicated to school/office supplies with thousands of different pens and pencils.
Yeah we have them too. It’s called Officeworks lol. Hundreds and thousands of different pens/ pencils and markers.
@@delta3eightI think he means that there are “writing” stores that ONLY sell writing utensils and has knowledgeable people working the store to ask about pencils/pens
@@ChuckyCheeglesagain. Same here.
Papersource is *only* pens, pencils, paper. It's all they do.
Having dedicated stores is hardly some fancy features of a specific country.
I've always been wierd for really liking my mechanical pencils. Happy to hear there's a place for me out there.
Isn't it sad? There used to be stationery stores throughout the U.S. that sold items like this, but they've all gone out of business because people would rather shop on Amazon.
I think there's a store in San Francisco's Japantown mall that sells Japanese stationery but I haven't been there in a few years. It's fun to shop there.
Me buys a fancy pencil:
This feels amazing, uses it all the time
Me the next day when I reach into my bag;
Where’s my pencil
same my guy
Only problem with pencils is they can erase and change what you wrote
@TheAnnoyingBoss
-no they can’t-
YES, they can
Aaahhh!!! Who changed that!!?
You forgot the most important thing. The pipe slides into the body as you write, so pushing the button gets reduced to a minimum. If you want the latest Kuru Toga tech, you have to get the Kuru Toga Dive, which twists as fast as the advance but has an auto lead advancing mechanism with 5 speed/length settings.
Eventually at some point, spinning faster will get worse instead of better.
90$ for a pencil?! 😮
@Malficion To be fair, if you take care of it, you'll probably never need another pencil, and lead is cheap as dirt. It's like buying a nice suit instead of renting when you use it often.
@@Malficion Hey, ask that to fountain pen users. We want something good not just cheap
I can’t believe this came out in 08, the year I graduated 🙈
I used only mechanical pencils of the highest quality of the time, and I was constantly rotating my hand in an effort to keep the pencil graphite retaining a sharper “edge” on one side, which I used to write with great clarity, whereas the “dull” side produced characters that one might mistake for elementary school handwriting.
Jesus this would have been a game changer for me…
This is actually super durable ,I bought the original version around 2010,and it’s still working properly today
I have the original of this pencil. It is honestly fantastic, worth the 10 bucks. The lead has lasted me years and it doesnt smudge as much as others(im a lefty).
Clarification edit: the pencil came with a container of pencil lead, which has like 40 pieces in it, which I have not gone through yet. I did not mean that one small bit of lead has lasted that long
Oh I was worried about the smudging (also a lefty)
Lead for years? Did you even use it?
What do you mean the lead lasted you years? That’s impossible unless you used it like 3 times.
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlllnot really if he's not an artist you can get years out of a pencil even writing many essays, I've finished so many pens but pencils just keep going
@@shelby6 No. Not from the lead for a mechanical pencil. Absolutely not. I’m a graduate student and I go through 3 or 4 sticks of lead in a week or so. A single pencil? Yeah. I’ve had many that have lasted for years. But lead? No.
From a design perspective, I do actually have a massive soft spot for being able to watch the barrel rotate, so I don't actually like the metal grip all that much, but I'm curious to see how different this version is in line quality.
Love the kuru toga. My notes feel so tidy
Been using mine for almost 3 years now, amazing pencil!
Price?
@@thesecretguy275 10 to 12 bucks
I completed my entire 4 year engineering degree using this pencil!! I still have it with me, I purchased it it in 2010, best mechanical pencil I've ever owned! 😊
Saaame
In Drafting class in Highschool, my teacher always demanded we draw perfect lines. 20 years later and still any time I draw a straight line I spin my pencil now without even thinking about it.
ohh so thats what that was. i remember seeing those pencils and ppl using them in school like a decade ago and never knew that it did that. i thought it was just an interesting design
You have just sold me a mechanical pencil that I will likely only use once, congratulations
I love when my pencil lead gets that little angle on it. Makes it glide like butter.
I’ve had the kurotoga for years. I had one and it was the only pencil I’d use throughout middle school and highschool until I got a few new ones. Looks like I have some more to add to my collection.
I used to have one of these, it was the best mechanical pencil I ever owned
Best pencil in the world, had the same one threw undergrad and grad school ❤
I’ve had one of these for 11 years! Absolutely my best purchase ever.
The classic pentel with the button on top to get the lead is all i need
Did a full degree using these. Nothing better. Pleasure to use.
No idea what your talking about. I've probably used a pencil 5 times in my entire college career. Everything has been on Windows or android electronic devices so no pencils or pens whatsoever.
@@bland9876 it was maths. Lots of writing and scribbling. 👍
@@stevenson720 didn't entire math course one semester and it was entirely on the computer as well.
There was even an entire section on process scheduling which is what computers use to determine the order of operations of doing things.
@@bland9876why are you on his case?
@@LaidbackAL I'm just stating what I witnessed personally. My English class had you wright stuff down and turn it in at the end of class but the essays themselves where all digital.
Other than that I only ever had 1 time I need a pencil/pen and that was because my teacher made us fill out a contract and sign it on paper and he scanned them back in. Very odd.
I took one generals class and some people didn't have computers so they would go to the schools library and use a computer there to do their homework.
I’m not into writing or drawing much anymore, I’d like to get back into it and try one of these out
Wowwww that's dope. Anybody into drawing art or calligraphy, even just notes is fangirling over this!
When I was 7 years old, I consider it magic for the longest time
I don't really need this but damn, that's a beautiful pencil. I want to feel it write!
Kuru toga pencils is so cool!
I've had one if these fur 4 or 5 years and its still going strong! A very good pencil that never runs out of a lead point!
I didn’t know this was a thing but now I’m totally in love with it!!!
Just bought one because of this video. Hopefully it lives up to the hype!
How much was it? 👀
How did it cost ?
@@plvt0n1vm they're like $12
@@plvt0n1vmit's like 20 bucks on Amazon
@@plvt0n1vmits a $15 pencil
What can't Uni make?! Amazing
When I was a kid lead pencils were my favorite thing to use. I imagined the the perfect lead pencil. Thank you to whoever made this is more important than the hubble telescope
It's cool , thanks , and I had no idea these even existed (Despite owning uni products) until now , but I like thicker lines . That's what's good about using normal pencils for me , especially to draw with . I don't think this would be for me unless I need small details , honestly might actually try it though since I saw another commenter say they're pretty cheap
That looks really cool and probably feels amazing to write with however I lose pencil every day randomly and can’t never find them
its only $8 and just put it in a backpack or pouch
Opposite problem. I’ve used the same $2 pentel mechanical pencil for 1.5yrs now and as much as this pencil would be awesome, I’m too loyal to my og.
@@NotThatGuySadly I do put them in backpacks they just somehow disappeared still
@@silhouetta6983I've been using the same Zebra mechanical pencil since 2016
@@thepinkgoblinwhounpluggedy3726 either you're a forgetful person or someone legit stealing your stuff. One of the two. Really weird one but highly unlikely is your bag or whatever you use to carry your pencil has a hole you never knew was there 😂
Japanese always improve on things you thought there's no more room for improvement. I gonna go buy me one after watching this video.
Great I find this after I graduate
They look so smooth. I want one
These are great and all, but you need to try the kuru toga ascent. The lead is infused with human hair and the mechanism spins so fast you age 1.4x faster while using it.
Great review! 💯
Ok but the “kuru toga advance upgrade extra +” is made of depleted uranium and the motor is so fast it generates a kugelblitz
Where’s the eraser?
Under a little cap on the end, it’s there.
Thats sweet. I remember using a rotating mechanical for a long time until I switched to a low COG. Nice to know both exist.
Hey! My order showed up today; I'm impressed that it traveled as far as it did so quickly. Everything was present and fit the descriptions exactly!
Can u please tell me what is the estimated life span of this pencil. If it has a lifespan of 5+ years I want to buy it.
It is a $20 pencil, so don’t expect it to last for over a couple years. If you would like a good quality pencil that will last for a long time, you need to look at a higher price range, for instance the Lamy AL-Star line or Pentel.
@@ezradevs have u used the pencil u recommended?
@@attaullahkhan4742 Yes, I have had a mechanical pencil from the Lamy line for years. I highly recommend Lamy as a whole because of quality and lifespan. Definitely worth the $50 price tag.
@@attaullahkhan4742 I've 3 kurutoga pencils all of them are brilliant when it comes to grip I personally like kurutoga alpha gel slim
both of u kindly tell me how long you have been using your pencils. I have a Camlin 2.0 (30 rupees) mechanical pencil which I don't remember when I bought it. But I can guarentee it is about 5 plus in my hand. Even it's clip has started to rust. I want something that can possibly last me a life time. And I can give it someone when I am old . So I asked how old are your pencils at hand. If you don't remember u can give me an estimate.
As a pen spinner, the amount of mods we can make with that metal sleeve as a basis is mouth watering
Edit: I'm tempted to explain but seeing how confused the people commenting are I will choose to not elaborate further lol
As a what?💀
Blud thought he could say that and not have to explain himself 💀
PURCHASED. I had no idea this existed... 🔥🔥🔥
I've been using a KuruToga pencil for a few years now for sketching up mechanical designs before implementing them in my CAD software. The consistent lines are super nice for fine work
While I like the concept, I specifically use mechanical pencils in a way to achieve line variation rather than a thin point. So I would never want to use these unless I was writing or drawing something extreme small or fine.
Pentel sold a model that worked like this before 2008. Not sure why they didnt catch on, I loved mine
ive used exclusively kuru toga pencils over the past year of college, namely the roulette and advance upgrades. the roulette definitely has a style advantage, but the advance upgrade's sliding pipe tube and 2x rotation make it much more valuable for me. i write a lot of cursive, and i found the roulette just doesnt rotate enough for ny writing style. best pencil ive ever used
I have the original and it’s lasted me like 6 years of school no issues. Things is unbelievable
I just bought it today, it’s trash. It’s hard to grip it. My hand always slides down the shaft
You can pick the alpha gel versions.
Maybe it has something to do with the way you’re holding the pencil/writing with it. If you don’t know how to properly hold a regular pencil while writing with it, you shouldn’t expect to have different results using a mechanical pencil 🤷
@@RedBean1234 I don’t have the problem with any other pencils. It’s cause the metal shaft makes the pencil slippery
@@ericlongteaches OHHH! I see what you mean. Please forgive me for my assumption.
Yeah as the other person said, buying the alpha gel versions might be a good investment for you. Depending on who you buy them from, the Uni Alpha Gel Shaker usually comes in three different grips that you can choose from (Soft, Medium, and Firm Grip), each to accommodate those who may need more finger support while writing with the Kuru Togas.
I got one of these back in 2010 and it was my favorite pencil I’ve ever had
I remember buying one in 2013, best pencil ive got and still have it
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Me watching something that look like I can do with a normal pencil. Must be for pencil geeks.
I love mine for drawing because if you hold it down for a long time at an angle, it stops the turning and gives a cool gradually increasing line effect I like to use for shading
I've had my all silver metal Kura Toga for 8 years now and I absolutely love it. It's a must have for long study sessions. I really doubt I will need a new one but if i ever do, I'm gonna try out this new one❤
When Jordan Belfort tells you to sell him a pencil.
I bought one of these years ago in high school or early college and really enjoyed it, plus just being able to watch the mechanics of it work while fiddling with it was really fun!😂
This pencil changed my life
"this one has a lower center of gravity"
I didn't think you needed all of that in a pin
I remember being fascinated by the version 1 in school. Made for a good fidget too
These are amazing and I’ll never go back to using a normal mechanical pencil
I got one when I went on a student exchange in Japan. The mechanism was the only reason I bought it. It is awesome pencil.
I liked the wear down to an angle on the regular mechanical pencils. It made it easier for me to write fancy using the edge, kinda like a fountain pen.
This actually looks pretty neat
Ahh i feel nostalgia on this pencil...
When i was in the junior high school, almost literally everyone had at least one kurutoga in their pencil case. Meanwhile, i had four~six of them😂
Bro I'm so bad at keeping track of pencils but this is awesome
Abaolutely love my Kuru Toga Advance. With a 2B lead, it pretty much replaced my pen for most notetaking and brainstorming tasks.
I have this exact red kurotoga advance upgrade, absolute game changer
I honestly don’t think I’ve even used a pencil since high school, but if I did this one looks pretty neat
This pencil helped me with shading
this was my favorite pencil in highschool when i was taking japanese.
I like the flat spot because it makes the like thicker and easier to read.
As an engineer I love good drafting pencils, and the kuru toga is my favorite. Wish I could find one in 0.7
I didn’t even know they had these I’m gonna have to order some
They made metal ones. They actually feel better in the hand to me than the advance. The most important thing about the advance is the sharp part of the tip now retracts.
Definitely gonna have to try one. I love pens and pencils 😁
REVOLUTIONary, nice 🙂
the og kuru toga is my favorite pencil ive ever used
The rich kids in school pencils be like:
Uniball have been goated since the 207. All time favorite pencil maker.
i have like 4, each with their own design. They're great
"this is the ultimate mechanical pencil" and its a .5 lead!!! 😭 its beautiful
Been using for more than 10yrs!
seeing this video just made me buy 2 on amazon right away. one for me and one for my son. black and silver
That’s awesome!
I use one of those daily and it is the best pencil out there without a doubt.
It's the ultimate lead pen, indeed. The “cheap plastic” Advanced Model it's actually the finest lead pen experience I've tried ever. I can't imagine the metal version.
I love my original kurutoga, looks like it's time for me to get the upgrade... literally
Okay...I didn't know I needed this. Lol
Best pencil I used for sure
Way better than a standard pencil, but the thickness of it is something that takes getting used to
Im glad kuru toga made a metal design. I had multiple plastic ones and after a while for me the plastic would break or shatter and leave it useless. Hopefully that problem is solved here.
The kurutoga dive is insane
ワールドワイドなクルトガたまげたなぁ
I got one for my 20th birthday. Best pencil I've ever had
I use a version of their pencils but I don’t remember which it is, haven’t seen that thing since highschool but it was honestly my best pencil I had ever had, it’s very nice for writing and art, but sometimes it’s too precise for a project and you have to downgrade to a wood pencil or charcoal, besides stuff like that it’s fantastic for sketching and consistent lines