GALAXY GRUDGE MATCH 37.1 - Peacemaker VS Yogi Bear
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- Here comes Galaxy Grudge Match! It's about fucking time we showed up. And today we show up with a battle between two... uh... well, I'm sure there's some reason these two were paired together for this show. Watch and find out for yourself!
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This Is very clear cut in my opinion anyways, while Peacemaker possesses significant fighting experience and powerful weapons, he's essentially an above-average human who will struggle in the unique environment of the Mario universe. Yogi Bear, despite lacking combat prowess, has access to Toon force, making him highly adaptable. His friendly and pleasant nature would likely earn the support of Mario's friends, like Toad and Yoshi, who could assist him on his quest. In contrast, Peacemaker's intense and violent demeanor might alienate potential allies, leading him to underestimate the Mushroom Kingdom's dangers and possibly go solo, which increases his risk of failure. Despite his combat prowess, Peacemaker might struggle with the unique challenges of the Mario universe. He could easily underestimate the deceptively dangerous enemies, like Boos, or have his weapons rendered useless by Magikoopas. Without his gear, even if he reached Bowser, he would likely be defeated very quickly. Yogi's smarter-than-average bear intelligence would allow him to avoid direct confrontations, using stealth and creativity to navigate Bowser’s Castle. With the potential help of Mario’s allies, Yogi could leverage his cunning to rescue Princess Peach, proving that his unconventional methods and ability to rally support make him better suited for the task than Peacemaker.
I have no idea why my GOAT is being put up against a giant bear but whatever, Peacemaker has been drafted into Mushroom Kingdom warfare and I’m obligated to put in the good word for him.
I’m sorry but “just running past literally everything, getting peach, and then running out” just seems like an extraordinarily bad idea against someone like Bowser. If Yogi rescued Peach without taking on Bowser… Bowser would just kidnap Peach again. Yogi and Chris kinda NEED to defeat Bowser in order to successfully save Peach.
In more narrative driven retellings of the Mario saves Peach from Bowser plot, like in the RPGs, Bowser’s no stranger to sending out his army in order to halt Mario in his tracks to stop it from being a straight shot to Bowser anyway. Peacemaker is the only one between the two with any actual experience taking out armies of soldiers before, and actual experience fighting them head on that isn’t “well he’s seen a dragon before!” or “he saw his neighbor do magic once!”
Now, I’ll be fair to both sides, I don’t really think either Yogi or Chris is taking Bowser physically head on, but I do think they could potentially outsmart him like Mario does a lot. The thing is though, when Mario outsmarts Bowser, it’s a mix of his quick wit AND physical athletics, the former of which I’ll say both have to a degree and the latter Peacemaker has over Yogi in spades.
Once Bowser grows big I think both Chris & Yogi would be just as good at dealing with him if it’s anything akin to New Supes Wii or 2, but if it’s something like New Supes U I don’t think Yogi’s tactics of running away would do him any good there, while Peacemaker isn’t really afraid of big monsters and, and honestly even if he didn’t think to use Jr’s clown car against him, the Torpedo Helmet functions a similar way anyways. If he tries any other tactics the same thing applies, I don’t think there’s any Bowser tactic where somehow Yogi succeeds and Peacemaker isn’t at a similar pace.
I’ll make this brief, there’s a princess in need of rescue, and only Peacemaker is fit for the mission. Suck on that, you picnic basket gobbling sonuvabitch!
I'm definitely not the most educated guy on either of these two, but I think I can say that I'm 75% sure Peacemaker takes this. There are very good arguments for Yogi, his more cartoonish nature, Peacemaker wasting some time on killing EVERY enemy he comes across, and Yogi just generally trying to do it quicker. However, I believe that the more cartoon-ish nature for Yogi is also a slight disadvantage as well, mainly because as stated in this video, goals in cartoons have a LOT of fails while in the process. Factoring in John's different helmets, his jet, and the mechs, which are huge advantages for him, I think that John will be able to snag the dub against the above average IQ bear.
While this was a hard to decide on I ultimately went with Yogi Bear to save the princess.
Even though Peacemaker is a more experienced fighterI just don't think he would be able to handle some of the crazy enemies bowser has like Ghosts, Lava Monsters, Big Bullet Bills, and more durable enemies that would make it hard for Peacemaker to deal with. But meanwhile Yogi Bear deals with insane enemies like Mario's enemies almost everyday and do you think Yogi Bear would be scared out of his mind to some goomba that he could just easily stomp on no he wouldn't, he's quick whitted and smart enough to know that. Another point to for Yogi Bear is that he has more cartoony endurance that helps him with getting through these wacky bunch of enemies meanwhile Peacemaker is just a human and could easily get killed by some spiny shell, if done wrong. Another point is that Yogi Bear will probably have an easier time adopting to the Mushroom Kingdom's crazy antics because he's a cartoon character and could easily get through the platforer sections by using stuff like toon force and squatch & stretch and would be quick whitted and smart enough to get through bowsers traps, like do you think it take Yogi Bear a decade to figure out that to defeat bowser he would just have to touch the axe, which for a human like Peacemaker probably couldn't even get through a simple wall jumping section and also Peacemaker might feel overwhelme by some mushroom people and a big two leg standing turtle that can breathe fire. Another point is that Peacemaker would be too focused on killing all of Bowser's army because he wants to bring justice, I mean why do think he's called Peacemaker. While Yogi bear would just focus on saving the princess (And food but will get to that later). The last point is power ups, while I think Peacemaker wouldn't know what a mushroom power up is and would just rely on his guns, Yogi Bear, with his obsession with food would probably eat the power ups and I can't stress this enough he would be *quick whitted and smart enough to know* how to use the power ups to his advantage.
So with these advantages (and probably more of them) I think Yogi Bear has what it takes to save the Princess the get a kiss on the nose (But that would probably be a bad idea for Peach to do because Yogi Bear is animal but oh well for Peach I guess)
So before I go into my own thoughts on who would win, I'd like to go into some of the arguments both Aqua and Adam have for both. For Aqua, you do talk about the different variety in helmets Peacemaker has like shrinking, sonic booms, and a fuck beam, but all of these helmets aren't just a composition, but separate helmets altogether. In this scenario, both Peacemaker and Yogi are being brought to the mushroom kingdom out of nowhere, so Peacemaker wouldn't even have preparation to just grab his more deadly helmets along. And I'm pretty sure he can only wear one at a time, so there's gonna be a pretty high chance he won't get a busted hat the Shrink helmet. This kinda goes for both, but I don't think either would have their vehicles at their disposal. You also state that Yogi actively looking for the powerups is going to be detrimental for getting the princess, but the powerups literally give him powers like fire, ice, cloning, flight, ect. So wouldn't that be a positive since he'd be able to take out enemies? I'm pretty sure Yogi wouldn't be so blindsided by the food anyways as Yogi's diet is usually just junk food like pies, burgers, pizza, and other baked goods. And while he has eaten organic foods like corn, grapes, ect, I don't think he'd be actively looking out for mushrooms. Some of the powerups are straight-up objects like bells, hammers, shells, boomerangs, feathers, and even just frogs. The only thing that would be in the category you're talking about are the cherries, but the toads can cook up much more appetizing meals as shown in the Toadstool Cafe, which would probably more eye catching to Yogi than enlarged cherries. That's a better reason for Yogi staying than Yogi wanting some cake, ADAM. You also give a hard emphasis on how Yogi wouldn't know where to find the princess because of the one clip where they crash their rocket, but Bowser’s castle isn't some secret unerground hideout, it's a giant ass castle located in the literal Valley of Bowser. I guess you mean like traversing through the castle to find her, but the usual path you take to find her is literally straight forward as there's literally only going forward through the numerous obstacles. As for Adam, the only thing I disagree on is allowing Yogi help from his friends. He's been transported to another world, he can't just simply call Boo-Boo or Huckleberry hound for help.
Now that I've gone through all of that, I now want to talk about the scenario you guys gave for this match. It's never stated that these two are in separate timeliness, they're in the same world and competing for the princess. And if that's the case, I think Bowser will have himself more occupied dealing with Peacemaker than Yogi. What I mean by this is that Aqua heavily emphasizes that Peacemaker is most likely going to kill all of Bowser's troops. The problem with this is that the mario series doesn't really utilize death in its games. Most enemies are just beaten up or knocked off screen or something, but if Peacemaker is actually killing Bowser's troops out there, then I believe King Koopa's troops will just alert him on Peacemaker's ongoing genocide and enrage him enough to pull out the big guns and send out his flying ships and other soldiers on him. Whereas Mario's whole shtick is something Yogi has done many times in the past in various games. While there have been arguments that Peacemaker is more experienced jumping into new worlds like Suicide Squad Isekai or Mortal Kombat, but Yogi would be more experienced with platform jumping and stomping on enemies. In Adventures Of Yogi Bear (SNES), Yogi goes through snowy, underground, underwater, and even construction levels, and you literally do platform jumping and stomping on enemies In the Yogi Bear DS game, he even jumps around in the city. Speaking of Yogi Bear on the DS, the health bar in the game is described as how much Yogi has been seen, and he needs to keep that bar down, or else the Ranger will catch them. This means he could likely just sneak his way around enemies if they’re too tough for him. And as for the argument that Yogi would just piss his non existent pants from enemies and run away, most of the enemies arent’t some creepypasta fanfiction, most of them aren't all that threatening and are usually just passing by. And even still, all Yogi would have to do is stomp on them per usual. You could try arguing more about this, but as Adam said, Yogi's
Bringing up the scenario again, it's only stated that Mario is missing, and nobody else. And after all, at the end of the day, (turns into Ducko) it is my comment, so it wouldn't be impossible To say that Yogi could just team up Luigi and some other toads to stop Bowser. You could even throw in Daisy or Yoshi into the mix, too. It's more likely that Peacemaker and Yogi are traveling alone, but my point is that I think that Yogi would be more welcomed to this new world from the toads. Peacemaker just has this more menacing presence than Yogi as the bear just fits in more than him. You may also be inclined to argue that they may not know how the world works and would have to learn while traveling, but the toads could just straight up tell them the ropes. They could even give Yogi a training session like in the movie when Mario first arrives in the Mushroom Kingdom.
So overall, while Peacemaker may be the more skilled, he'd ultimately be overkill, while Yogi Bear would be the right choice to save this princess. I guess you could say I think hes got this in the picnic BAGsket.
There, I said it… also Yogi automatically stomps in combat because of this th-cam.com/video/7gFDqfSIMBQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_SL73CKe7PGfO-dj
Yogi had more to him than I thought, but I still think Peakmakers got this in the bag (that's a hit for later)
First off, Adam brings up how Yogi's friends would help him in this scenario, but how? Both Yogi and Goatmaker have been transported to the Mario world, and to my knowledge, the Hannah Barbara cast doesn't exactly have an interdimensional portal lying around.
And on that point; Sigmamaker is the only one here who has experience with being transported to other worlds, with Suicide Squad Isekai and MK1. Those worlds actually have similarities to the Mario world, with sorcerers and bipedal animal monsters. So Alphamaker wouldn't be thrown off by characters like Kamek or the Koopas.
Furthermore, I see Epicmaker dealing with the many enemies of the Mario world way better than Yogi, who really isn't a fighter. What's a Hammerbro or BoomBoom gonna do when they get fucking shot? I see Yogi running in fear of these enemies, let alone Bowser. Bowser isn't that different from Kingshark who Skibidimaker hangs around with often.
And while Yogi has been on more adventures similar to the ones in Mario, he's usually gotten through them with dumb luck and running away, while Rizzmaker usually runs head first into danger. And while Adam frames this as a bad thing, Mario games are pretty straightforward (literally), so I think this would actually help him in this scenario.
So, in conclusion, while this won't be his easiest job, I think Peacemaker will be able to make it through it and bring peace to the mushroom kingdom.
While I am not 100% either would succeed, I feel like Yogi is far more likely to do so due to the differences in the methods they typically use to achieve their goals. The main problems really comes down to the fact that Peacemaker's strategy is usually him directly confronting his opponents and the fact that Peacemaker isn't going to be satisfied with simply defeating Bowser, he's going to want him dead. Bowser easily outclasses Peacemaker in terms of both durability and firepower and his exhaustive list of abilities means Peacemaker's hax like shrinking aren't going to work as he has ways around them, leaving Peacemaker with no real options that can land a fatal blow. Peacemaker's chances of even merely temporarily incapacitating Bowser are incredibly slim, but the fact that he's not going to stop fighting until Bowser is dead means its really only a matter of time before Bowser lands a killing blow on Peacemaker.
Yogi meanwhile usually uses trickery and schemes to obtain his goals, which coupled with his cowardice which was touched on in the episode, means he's likely going to avoid encountering Bowser entirely and grab Peach directly. For all his strength, Bowser typically isn't portrayed as particularly bright in a lot of media meaning that he would likely fall for Yogi's tricks and schemes. But even if Bowser did catch Yogi in the act his cartoony durability makes it far more likely that Yogi can survive the encounter, escape, and try a different plan. The nature of cartoon hijinks means that while Yogi is likely to fail repeatedly in a variety of ways he will EVENTUALLY succeed at the end.
Im giving it to Yogi only cause one reason. Peacemaker is too violent, he is gonna be more busy killing every Goomba, Koopa, Shy guy, or any other enemy while Yogi is gonna make more of a Beeline to the princess and Bowser. Peacemaker is about justice and the koopa army are taking over entire worlds and trust me when I say that it takes a bit to clear every level than it is to just speedrun the game.
this shit is not fair
Bowser can do nothing to the god of death himself
Although Bowser could bring up that Yogi bear is a fan of drake, Yogi would not care say it's true kick bowser in balls rip his flesh off and save peach
Yogi is a cruel ruthless monster
this bit was an inside joke but fr though I think Yogi bear unironically has this in the picnic bag
I feel the main argument is that Yogi bear is a cartoon character so he's likely just to walk off being blown to bits and have his stomach implode on him meanwhile if Peacemaker gets hit once it's game over using Mario's game logic (And it's not like he's doing okay without game logic too)
While the Suicide squad fought starro, he was like shot in the neck so lmao, and also yes the dc universe gets into wacky hijinks, it's rarely peacemaker who's there so he has no experience nor is bro going to know what to do when Kamek turns him into a goomba whomp whomp
The power-ups looking like food are going to help Yogi because they're literally everywhere in the worlds, meanwhile peacemaker using them would be super out of character via his enjoyment in combat and he loves putting himself at a handicap and brutalizing enemies
Legit the only way I see peacemaker winning this is Peacemaker having the better arsenal but like, his first instinct is always to shoot first and it's not like he'll get another chance while getting crushed by a whomp or mauled by a chain chomp
Another big thing is what is bro gonna do against bowser 💀
the cowardlyness is fair yes, but they have luigi go on adventures to save peach and you'll never guess his main character trait, if luigi can make it out fine idk what's stopping Yogi
This might not matter because Peacemaker is prolly winning but I just wanted to say my take on this
I made this argument while watching the video and I realize most of these are from the video god damn it i'm not escaping the sheep allegations
good news bob didn't beat me to it fuck you bobert
ITS THE AQUA VS ADAM SPECIAL BOYS LETS GET THIS W
Alright, this is surprisingly more debatable than I thought it would be, but I have to give it to famed wrestler Johnathan Cena.
First off, Peacemaker is going to have a FAR easier time dealing with the more basic enemies of the Mario world. Goomba's and koopa's aren't going to be able to do much against bullets when they struggle to defeat a normal italian, and john has bullets right off the bat and in spades.
Yes, Yogi could use the powerups to even the playing field, but he would have to be a) smart enough to hit the question blocks to get them and b) not run away from the first batch of enemies he sees in fear.
Peacemaker would also be much more effiecient in getting to the princess. He would go straight for the princess, taking out as many of bowsers minions as he could. Yogi is known for setting up elaborate schemes and traps to get a picnic basket, so when going against hoards of enemies I'd bet he try and do the same, which would waste a lot of time.
Next, while Yogi has the more cartoony physics to match, Peacemaker is no slouch when it comes to dealing with stronger beings. Not only could he use his giant mech to instantly mow through entire levels and even take on things like giant bowser, but he could also use his various helmets to great effect as well. He has sheilds to protect him, sonic booms to splatter most enemies, and a shrink helmet.I do believe they used something similar on Bowser in the movie, and that worked, so theres no reason John couldnt do the same.
Yogi may be a bit more used to things like magic, but whats Kamek going to do against being splattered by a sonic boom? Or the fucked laser? And John lives in the DC universe so I bet he'd at least understand Marios generally more basic magic.
Yogi's biggest advantage is that he has much higher cartoonish durability. But seeing as Peacemaker would be killing a good majority of his foes almost instantly with either bullets, sonic booms, lasers, or a mech, it isnt that useful. Even if some things DO get a hit on John, he has the shield helmet to protect himself, and human torpedo for a quick escape if need be.
Another one of Yogis win cons is that Bowser would take Peach far away. But I dont get how Yogi benefits here? You have a guy with a jet vs a bear with a much bulkier aircraft. Only way Yogi holds the advantage is if Bowser goes off planet, but he rarely does.
Even then, Yogi may just give up on such a difficult journey. The mushroom kingdom has tons of food on its own, and theres no guarantee he would even be told about the cake. Meanwhile, when John has a goal, he'll see it through.
Add in Johns better allies and the fact he smarter, and sorry Adam, but your going 0-4 bud.
If the Toads explain the situation, I think Yogi would know to hit blocks to use power-ups. I just think he'd screw up actually using them at the start, like setting himself on fire with the Fire Flower or crashing into a wall trying to fly with a Cape Feather. Otherwise, I agree.
One could say this episode was Magnificent… like- like- King Magnifico… yeah.
Overall it feels like they both could probably beat Bowser, Yogi would be scared at first but eventually via squash and stretch physics there’s not much on the Mario end to take him down. But I do believe Peacemaker will have the greater odds between the two, as Aqua said before it will take trial and error but his ability to adapt to high-stake circumstances and huge threats (Starro, Blue Beetle, Sinestro Corps, etc.) will get him through most if not all of Bowser’s forces.
Wasn’t really a topic of the scenario but it seems Yogi would rely way more on his friends helping him when only Yogi and Peacemaker were brought to the Mario world, not to say that they couldn’t get help if that’s being used but if they are on their own in any capacity across the journey. John is going to have a way easier time by himself going solo, especially with the arsenal mentioned before with giant mechs and one-shotting helmets.
As I said, Yogi will probably be able to defeat Bowser. But John is just gonna have the best chance of doing it quicker and better.
Where’s Lincoln VS Corrin?
This truly is the Terminator VS Headless Horseman of Galaxy Grudge Match. Or even Yosemite Sam VS Joseph Stalin of GGM.
Very obscure old Grudge Match references aside, in this conflict between Edward Blake and Art Carney, I can draw a few parallels. One is that we have a more headstrong fellow in red, the other a slightly cowardly, reluctant one wearing green, so it’s not like either approach can’t do anything in a Mario game. Both are not the biggest geniuses in either universe, but I am going to point out something that might not win me points with anyone, but I’ll do it anyway.
Bowser is a fun character, but he’s a fucking dumbass, too.
He tries the same plot over and over again that never works, he leaves things to help the people trying to stop him strewn throughout every level, he either fights in rooms or areas that have an easy way to kill him or fights in a way where he basically kills himself. Adam, the Princess Peach and general Mario Stan, even pointed out a fight where all you have to do is run from Bowser for a bit.
To further pull from a probably scrapped GGM with John McClane VS Bowser… So many of the fights against Bowser revolve around some way Bowser is shooting himself in the foot: dodging him and either letting him destroy the floor underneath him, getting behind him, swinging him by the tail and knocking him into spiked balls he put in the area, throwing bombs he throws at you back at him, even in the high-powered Mario Galaxy, you can just knock him on his ass to spin him around and jump over his hopping in one place shockwaves.
“Oh, but he’s an epicly OP wizard who could just turn them into bricks.” Name one, name a single one of any Mario game where Bowser’s boss fight is to just to turn Mario and Luigi into bricks and they just lose. The people who it would most benefit him to do this to so that his plans could go off without a hitch. You can’t. “SHOOT THEM WITH THE DEHYDRATION GUN!” Again, Bowser is a dumbass.
That all said, again, there’s something to either approach Peacemaker or Yogi could take. Peacemaker seems more likely to kill Bowser, in the sense that Yogi probably wouldn’t shoot Bowser in the head, whether that works or not. Yogi is more likely to just sneak around Bowser, get Peach out, and leave, like he does with pic-a-nic baskets, and it’ll probably get by Bowser, because, well, do I need to say it again? Still probably beats Ganon and Eggman, though. But more relevant to Yogi specifically, he runs on a sort of similar cartoon logic, so it’s not beyond the point of consideration.
If we’re trying to speed run this, though, Peacemaker might be wasting more time with the direct approach, while Yogi might just get things done quicker by trying to avoid everything entirely. Just because a scenario is from a video game, doesn’t mean they have to go through every level, do they? Find Bowser’s castle, go there in the space ark that Yogi had before or something similar, even just a plane, really, then get Peach, and then leave. Hell, it might even become a team-up, if the fighting is a concern. Peacemaker fights Bowser, Yogi gets Peach. But since the latter is the real goal, I give it to Yogi.
I love Mario, and have been a fan since I was a kid, even if this comment seems disparaging. I’m sorry, folks.
Pretty sure yogi will win this, peacemaker is simply going to murder every single enemy in sight, and might even go against his mission to save the princess if she simply wouldn’t want to go with peacemaker (like in Mario odyssey) meanwhile I kinda feel like yogi simply would try to avoid most of the enemies, and make a contraption to outwit bowser and get that pic-inick bask- I mean princess, back to her kingdom… not to mention that yogi already has experience with this, and already fits into Mario’s world way better than peacemaker ever could, and has plenty items and friends at his disposal that could rival bowsers army, and definitely get past peacemaker, who could likely shrink some enemies or give him a distraction at most. And we’ve already seen that shrunken enemies (as seen in Mario 3) could still use blocks to their disposal to attack Mario. So honestly both of them could do it, it’s just who can do it better in a sense, and who would have an easier time with it. And I genuinely think that yogi will have a better time with this than peacemaker, with more experience, better arsenal, and way better durability that could survive almost anything bowsers army can throw at him along with allies to back him up I think yogi should be able to win this
I… I don’t have a pun-
Tom Cat vs Kirara
[Tom and Jerry vs Genshin Impact]
Scenario:
With Kirara decided to protect Jerry from Tom can Tom outsmart her and capture Jerry?
While Yogi by all means is a good candidate to replace Mario in this scenario, and he is far smarter than your average bear. However, I feel my boy Peacemaker got this. Aside from the various magicians in the DC comics and his encounters with the aliens of the DCEU, Christopher has experience with phantasy settings as seen in the Suicide Squad anime as well as being capable of giving the sorcerer like Eclipso trouble as seen in his MK1 ending, which is also a phantasy setting. As seen in Smash Brothers, Bayonetta’s and Joker’s firearms capable of dealing damage to the Mario cast, so Peacemaker’s weapons should be capable of harming the likes of your average goomba. Even if he ran out of ammo, there are a plenty of long ranged power ups like the fire flower, which when combined with his training from when he was a child, would make him a huge threat. While Yogi is likely smarter then Smith, which is especially helpful with the various puzzles, Peacemaker is not stupid. He has shown to be capable of producing wacky solutions to problems, like sticking a poisonous frog in Snow Flame’s cocaine stash. His Jetpack and anti-gravity would help him with platformjng and force field could help him to take blows from Bowser. He might even not need to face Bowser directly when he could just assassinate him from long range. In the end, Peacemaker’s arsenal, training and experience would overall give him a better chance in saving Peach than Yogi. God bless America.
Something both debaters don’t bring up is the platforming. The Mario movie places great emphasis on Mario’s ability to maneuver around obstacles and whatnot, which is why I feel Peacemaker takes the edge. John is blatantly more fit than Mario and is also a trained soldier. Plus with his flight helmet he can easily just fly over obstacles and enemies. Meanwhile Yogi’s a clutz and isn’t exactly known for his sick parkour skills. I can see him just continuously failing basic jumps or getting stuck on bouncy blocks and whatnot. And I can easily see Yogi give up if there’s an obstacle that’s a little too tough for him.
Also Adam argues that Yogi can take advantage of the power-ups but I don’t see why Peacemaker can’t use them also. In fact he’s probably more likely to use them since he actually knows stuff about the Mario series, as seen in the goated improv scene in Peacemaker episode 5. Yeah you can argue it probably shouldn’t count but the characters in DC have made multiple references to media in our world plus like only people who don’t like the Mario movie will complain about shit like power-ups.
Going through both arguments, I have to side with Peacemaker. One of the first points brought up for Yogi winning is how he has better help. First of all, there was nothing in the scenario suggesting that Yogi and Peacemaker have access to their allies or anything so it’s iffy if Yogi gets them in the first place. Also Peacemaker has these giant robots called Peacehammers that he used to fight the Doom Patrol which could be really useful help ngl.
Peacemaker also has enough experience with battling the strange that being sent to the Mario Universe. Peacemaker has fought aliens (with just normal guns), been isekaid into a fantasy world, fought ninjas with elemental powers (if you want to count Mortal Kombat), fought shark-humanoids similar to King Shark, and fought the Swamp Thing. These should make it so that Peacemaker won’t be completely caught off guard by Bowser’s minions. Also Peacemaker fought all of these guys, while Yogi didn’t even fight half of the wacky individuals Adam brought up.
Peacemaker also just has way better gear. Peacemaker’s helmet also allows him to fly, making it even easier to make it past any obstacles. Peacemaker’s jetpack also does this as well. And that’s not all as Peacemaker has the Peacejet, a jet that he can summon with his helmet that he can also pilot remotely and put into autopilot. Also Peacemaker has bastons with biological bio-agents imbued in them, for opponents who can’t die, said Bastions even weakening Swamp Thing. These should be able to allow Peacemaker to keep up with the more powerful trump cards Bowser has and maybe even outright beat them. Also Adam failed to bring up any counter Bowser and his minions have towards Peacemaker's size changer. We’ve seen in some media (like the Mario Movie) that shrinking down Bowser and his minions does incapacitate them for a while. While Bowser could just grow big to counter that, I don’t recall any of Bowser’s army having many counters to being shrunken.
Also it makes sense that both Yogi and Peacemaker should be given access to Mario power ups and I think Peacemaker would benefit most from that. Peacemaker is undoubtedly the most skilled of the two, so he would probably be the first to figure out and master the abilities the powerups would offer. The powerups would also make it so that Peacemaker wouldn’t be dragged down by being a normal guy in this scenario. The 1-UPs would especially be useful as they’ll make it so that Peacemaker won’t be easily killed during the scenario, he can just come back y’know?
One point for Peacemaker that I want to bring up is how he doesn’t even need to face Bowser and his minions to win. Peacemaker has shown the capacity to utilize stealth to some extent so nothing is stopping him from attempting to just sneak through Bowser’s defenses and run off with Peach. The scenario is “who can rescue Peach first” and not “who can defeat Bowser” after all. His X-Ray vision (yes his helmet does that as well) should allow him to easily see the defenses Bowser has in his castle and find quick and easy ways around them. Peacemaker also should be agile enough to easily avoid the obstacles in Bowser’s castle and his jetpack and helmet could also allow him to just fly straight towards Peach. And assuming one of Bowser’s enemies runs into Peacemaker, he can just knock them out with his dart gun or just shrink them till they are easily able to be taken care of. Peacemaker could also use his robot army to distract Bowser and his army by having them pull up outside the castle, making it even easier for Peacemaker to sneak in and grab Peach.
And this wouldn’t be too far fetched as Peacemaker has shown instances of being strategic when fighting opponents before. When fighting the Doom Patrol, Peacemaker manipulated the whole government, turning them against the Doom Patrol, all so that he could have a better chance. If Peacemaker was able to do that, I think he could figure out that simply sneaking into Bowser’s Castle and swiping Peach would be the easiest solution. Peacemaker is also able to have some awareness of when he’s outmatched, being the reason that he made special batons to contend with Swamp Thing, so I doubt he would be as dumb as to fist fight Bowser without any caution.
Anyways, that’s who I think should win in this scenario. Thanks for bear-ing with me through my crazed ramblings. I hope I provided Aqua with some peace of mind that Peacemaker has this victory in the basket!
Guys, I think Adam’s gonna be our first 0-4, Biff would be so proud. Anyways, I really don’t have much to say about Peacemaker that hasn’t already been mentioned, except that I don’t think the bear (I already forgot his name, sorry) would know about the cake Peach makes since he just got teleported into this world, and the Toad’s don’t usually mention cake when they talk to Mario, so I don’t think Fredick Fazbear would know about the cake, severely lower his motivation. That’s about it, I think the Maker of Peace is gonna get that Peach (if you catch my drift) while Jack Black is gonna put down Boog.
Okay Adam, let's-a see what win you can store-a in this-a pic-a-nic basket.
Yes, I switched my vote so Adam can have more-a comments. There's no Boo-Boo, just being a snack all the same.
Let's get the biggest asset out the way. Compared to Peacemaker, Yogi is a lot more cowardly. But you know who else is cowardly yet capable of doing good things? Luigi. Dude is scared of ghosts, but has the backing of toonforce and stuff to fall back on. (Luigi's Mansion, Olympics games). Yogi can persevere, he might be a scaredy bear, but he's a carey bear.
Guns aren't new in Mario (Rabbids), so Peacemaker is actually in a big disadvantage. Sure, guns lethal, but fodder like Goombas can fight against machines and foes that make Bowser struggle (the green robots in Bowser's Inside Story). They're TOUGH. Cartoony shenanigans WILL beat the more realistic character, as Yogi's the only one who CAN afford to guh-huh up in the first place. Peacemaker makes a single mistake, and it's Peace Out. Plus, less actual bullets.
Shit, there are actual cool points in contest. Shrink Bowser? While it could work, Kamek can just nope that, and it's only confined to one helmet, which Peacemaker might not have even got if he doesn't know ahead of time. Power-Ups? Every power-up Peacemaker doesn't take is something an enemy CAN use, whereas Yogi won't have to even worry, munching them all down. Insta-deaths? Lava and shit won't be much a hindrance given his toonforce, can't say the same for comic boy. And time travel, while kinda countered by Bowser being able to just... do it too (Yoshi's New Island), well, nothing's stopping Yogi from preventing Mario from being washed away. Or wherever tf he went. He could be chilling with Luigi with his phone turned off for a single day or smth... Not completely un-bear-able.
The last time Yogi went against a competent threat alone, this is what happened to him (Duck Dodgers when Wile, fucking Wile Coyote, went after him: imgur.com/a/cSxQh5M ). Issue is... competent is what Bowser's army ain't. Sure, they're deadly, but aside from several of them, like Kamek or the Koopalings, aren't smarter than the average bear. And... Peacemaker'll be making it harder on himself to pick through them all. Skipping to the end is actually infamous for speedruns, in general when Peach is in need of saving. John is the linear progression, Yogi is the TerminalMontage progression.
And yes, I know. "Some Mario games DON'T let you skip for speedrun". Okay, sure, but usually they don't make you rescue Peach (Super Mario 3D World's Green Star cap, Bowser's Fury needing the Cat Bells rescued, many that have Peach as the goal ALLOW shortcuts, I am very much too researched on this). Read the fine print all you want, whether it's on land or in space, but there's no claws- er, clause saying "speedrun focusing isn't allowed".
Plus, Yogi's not dumb. He got married to Boo-Boo just for tax benefits (Jellystone), and while trying to get the princess and run off could backfire given Bowser has ensured to keep Peach safe and locked away (Paper Jam) and has used minions to pose as her (Kamek in New Super Mario Bros Wii), it's still a fatal flaw. Skipping to the end and seeing the comical self-defeating traps Bowser employs, sure, Yogi might be worse in a fight. But one word of a cake or sweets from ANY Toad on how "oh, Mario, when you return and save Peach, she'll give you the biggest case", and he'll go mono-a-monokuma against the Koopa King. At least then an Alpha Ursa can be found.
(I know I'm making the whole team suffer with my bear puns, I have no shame)
I'm sorry, Aqua, but you picked a pic-a-nic casket for John Smith, no matter how many Goombas or Koopas you had to debate for the coveted L.
A GGM with 3 of my favorite things, Classic cartoons, DC comics and Super Mario. First Round 1 Fight makes my matchup into a trailer, now this? It must be my birthday!
I guess you can Peacemaker will give Peach his two PEACE after he saves her
This is a cool idea for a galaxy grudge match
Guys who’s Yogi going against the left side of the thumbnail is blank
HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!!!! *que the dated meme music.
hes fighting the handsome gremlin known as Javf
I do think Peacemaker can do well in the Mario Universe. Mario is one guy as well and while Peacemaker may not have the physical stats to match, his weapons augmented with the Powerups can definitely be a threat.
But I am going to side with Yogi on this because of his Allies. More of them with varying powers and experience. And I’m pretty sure even if they’re cowards, surviving Time Exploding would mean they could survive a lot more than Peacemaker could. And you got people like Grape Ape who can match Bowser in size most of the time. Detectives. Robot friends. Hong Kong Phooey. Blue Falcon and Dynomutt. He does know the Scooby Gang via Laff-a-Lympics and with the upcoming Jellystone Crossover the rest of Cartoon Network’s Cartoon Cartoons. Cindy is even implied to have feelings for Mojo Jojo.
Unless Peacemaker can get Superman, I don’t see how he would have an easier time when Yogi could go Army to Army with Bowser.
Peak fiction right here
You know something, this contest really comes down to who has the tools necessary to put Bowser down for good, and when it comes between the wrestler turned anti-hero and the cartoon bear, Yogi Bear has the better shot. (Laughs like Tigger from Winnie the Pooh)
It's not like Peacemaker doesn't have a good chance of defeating Bowser, after all, he is part of the group that defeated a giant alien starfish. But let's be honest, no gunshot, sonic booms, jetpacks, eagles, shields, 5 knuckle shuffles or attitude adjustments would do anything to Bowser. The only way I could see Peacemaker defeating Bowser is if he uses that Cena strength to grab Bowser by the tail and fling him somewhere he can never return, after all, he is played by the guy who lift up guys like the Big Show and the Great Khali without any effort. But this is Bowser we're talking about, the same guy who's survived falling in lava and black holes, I'm sure just lifting the guy up and slamming him on the ground wouldn't do anything to him. Sure, Peacemaker has backup he can call upon, but as I said before, what are hammer swings (Which Bowser can also throw), shark bites and snipes from far away going to do to the King of the Koopas? Also, one fire breath would be enough to solo the entire squad, so they would have to be very careful. And then again, they're not the best when it comes to working together, so I see them not really pulling through.
On the other hand, Yogi Bear and crew have dealt with guys like Bowser before, I think their cartoon shenanigans might pull them through to victory. I think the better numbers game and teamwork of the Yogi gang/Ya-hooeys would help them out more against the king of the Koopas and his army, plus having access to an airship give them a better shot at directly going to Bowser, while Peacemaker's squad are still dealing with the enemies on the ground. Also, the cartoony nature of Hanna-Barbera's cast give them an advantage over the Squad in terms of fighting Bowser, and that's cartoon levels of endurance, as stated before, the Squad get roasted by Bowser's fire breath, they dead, Yogi's gang get roasted by Bower's flame breath, they can just dust it off like nothing happened. Sure, Yogi isn't the bravest character ever and tends to avoid conflict, but if someone as cowardly as Luigi could defeat Bowser, I'm sure Yogi can do it as well, plus he'll be getting some cake afterwards, so that could give him the motivation necessary to take Bowser down.
So in the end, Yogi and crew have what it takes to take down the king and save the princess, and if I'm wrong, then in the words of the Banana Splits (A group both should be familiar with) HOLD THE BUS!
First off, this is a matchup if you have the two platform from beginning to end in a title, and for that, Yogi could work.
Hanna-Barbera characters can create potential energy just by running in midair, and with Yogi’s nuclear stomach, he can just stash power ups and save them for later(as much as I love NSMBWiiU, the Item system confuses me so.)
He’s encountered space alien copies of him and Boo Boo, had an anime fight scene with Huckleberry Hound, and used the power of studio magic to defeat Michigan J. Frog alongside the Teen Titans, Gizmo and Daffy Duck…it’s best not to ask…
He may not be a perfect Bear, but he’s a smarter than average one!
I'm with adam and yogi on this one.
Firstly, facing bowser head on in a 1V1 is suicide, in Super Mario Galaxy he survived a supernova, peacemaker is gonna die if he tried to fight him, yogi on the other hand would use brain over brawn like mario would and try to trick bowser to knocking himself out or something like that.
And secondly some of yogi's friends could help out, like el kabong who could beat up some of browser's troops, jabberjaw who is perfect for underwater levels, and great ape, a giant purple gorilla. also yogi bear and his friends have toon force, so who knows what could happen.
With all that said, yogi has got this in the bag, or should I say in the picnic basket. 🐻
also, could you do the TMNT vs the penguins of madagascar?
I’m gonna lean towards Yogi here. While it’s easy to characterize him as a coward, he’s usually portrayed as actually fairly competent, and has thrown together tons of unique contraptions with sticks and blankets, imagine what he can do with the stuff in the Mushroom Kingdom. You brought up his friends, but because of the very loose continuity of Yogi, you could also extend that to Scooby Doo, CN original characters, and yes, even DC (there was a comic where he fought and stalemated Deathstroke, I think it was Deathstroke at least, plus the Teen Titans crossover). Yes, PeaceMaker has done ridiculous stuff, but I feel like a lot of that is situational, like his krypotonite bullet being able to take out Superman. Yes he’s in a world with tons of weird things, but being aware of those things doesn’t mean he can take them on, while Yogi has worked with all those weird cartoony garbage on a daily basis. Also like if you tell him that Peach will bake him a cake if he rescues her, we’ll see speed running stats you couldn’t even DREAM of.
Peacemaker never fought starro. He was incapacitated during that battle
The Luigi slander is real in this one
Honestly when I saw the title I thought this was gonna be one-sided then I heard this scenario. Then I heard the debates and now I think it's a lot closer than it looks but who's going to win? Well then it looks like I'll need to be smarter than the average commentor.
Before I go into the positives of Yogi, I think it's pretty obvious we need to talk about -1st and admittedly I don't really have anything new other than a few bits of random yogi bear knowledge
First of all in terms of bravery, combat skill and arsenal there is no doubt that peacemaker has it his arsenal is much more combat applicable than whatever Yogi has. He has taken on numerous photos such as sorrow that one nail and creature from his show and in the comics taken non-photos such as Nightwing may have lost but he managed to keep up and given the amount of bloodshed he causes it say he ain't going to run Where is yogis arsenal is more centred around grabbing the picnic basket then taking on a bunch of koopers he doesn't have any combat skills to speak of and he's going to run. The many things gets dangerous and admittedly his intelligence is very inconsistent to one particular time when he found a log full of honey. He tried to scam people out of food only for Mr Ranger to come along and made them put it back. Insure he may get distracted by the wondrous foods of the mushroom kingdom but all the wondrous food that you showed all the power ups and I'm going to be honest I'm not sure if you'd be willing to eat it
But the spinal the point I just brought up and paraphrased. I do believe Yogi is going to get that picking up picnic basket and the princess thanks to his physicality various allies, intelligence and pure motivation being the cartoon character. He is and a Hanna Barbara one at that. His durability is through the roof on top of the lakes of Fred Flintstone and a especially dick dastardly who is actually met and defeated before he also has various cell eyes. Some that are even smarter than him. Can someone say TC? It seems like the Barbara universe seems to be interconnected so it's reasonable to all to assume you not only can you get help from his friends but also the other tunes as well and his intelligence may be inconsistent. He is showing sometimes he can generally proven his same correct one time when he learned about the whole wishing well thing. He managed to build a wishing well that has a little back door in the back to make the coins fall out and when Mr Ranger showed up to try and stop yogi again legally there's nothing he can do and Yogi made up a clever lie. He found a goldmine and Mr Ranger believed him and finally yogi is better motivation than peacemaker. I don't even know if peacemaker has proper motivation to go off and save princess peach where is yogi? If he saves the princess he is going to get one piece of cake at the end. The spiders in consistent intelligence with his plans the revolve around one thing getting food so the toads told him about the cake at the end of the rainbow. I'm sure he'd be willing to go on it. Where is peacemaker other than bringing peace to the land by saving the princess? What real motivation does he have?
And one more point that I personally would like to bring up assuming these two were dropped into the same world I feel like Bowser is going to underestimate and overlook yogi. Seriously. Why would Bowser focus his efforts on a bumbling scared bear? When over yonder? There is some random man shooting up his forces killing every less one leaving a trailer of blood death and destruction in his weight, that is a real fret to his plans so he'll most likely focus most of his efforts if not all on peacemaker while yogi gets overlooked walks right past him and pushes that big button at the end of the bridge
Sure peacemaker may have the bravery the combat skills and more violent arsenal yogis physicality more helpful friends his intelligence and pure blooded motivation. The W might as well be a picnic basket because I'm going for Yogi bear. Hey hey hey
honestly, I kinda wanna say Yogi takes this
His toonforce would allow him to survive more lethal attacks from Bowsers army and seriously, what's stopping him for jut yoinking Peach and booking it?
Peacemaker… ok yes, he would have a much, MUCH better and easier time than Yogi but this is something I was thinking of that neither brought up, John's just… way too violent for the Mushroom residents to handle when they see him with Peach most likely covered in blood and swearing like a sailor (If you don't give Bowser his black hole dura feat (since this is Movie Bowser and also PM wouldn't be able to hurt him permanently)
John could just shoot Bowser in the head using neutral special gun attack and blow up his minions with his multiple helmets but… no one would ever trust him and treat him more like a monster than Bowser who at least has a heart enough to not kill in bloody murder! So what im saying is, Yogi should take it since Yogi's toonforce>Movie Bowser feats and also cause grabbing Peach and running away is something Mario has done many… many times before in the games and also wouldn't leave anyone fearing Yogi or traumatized…
MULTIVERSE MATCH: Erma Williams VS Pucca (Erma VS Pucca)
Yogi Bear might have more experience and more cartoon stuff, but I think peacemaker wins because he has more abilities and I believe he’s more competent, and none of the enemies can take them down and if he hast to beat Bowser, he can use his force field and laser
I feel like Peacemaker would probably be more likely to succeed here
Gosh as much as I love Yogi Bear there's no way he's winning this. Yogi Bear isn't the most brightest person and while he isn't a complete idiot, he isn't passing an IQ test. If I remembered Yogi only manages to win if situations are dire for his friends or sheer luck alone. Plus while it's true Yogi could fit into the setting of Mario, his world isn't as grandiose or dangerous. Super Mario may be fantasy like but there's still dangerous situations. Most of Yogi's shenanigans are from cartonny nonsense and his villains aren't as intelligent. The only thing saving him is Toon Force the cartoon saving grace right? Wrong! Toon force may be powerful but there is no way Yogi's toon force can save him. It's a unpredictable gag there's no way he can rely on it completly.
Meanwhile Peacemaker is a former military vet. Military vets have been trained to survive dangerous conditions and I believe he can pull through especially with platform obstacles. He is healthy and fit plus when he states his goal is to bring peace he means it. Out of the two, I believe his ambition and drive will make him persevere. I mean seriously Peacemaker is adamant and Yogi lacks that. If you put him in a dangerous world he'll do anything to survive in the name of peace. He may not be as smart but he is more ambitious than Yogi.
Yogi has never had a villain like Bowser but to Peacemaker this is Tuesday. I mean he literally thrived in Isekai so I'm sure he'll defeat Bowser in the name of peace. Overall, hopefully we learn cute characters may not win in debating sometimes but I hope Yogi doesn't suffer a horrible like Casper in his versus episode.
I will take Yogi on this one manly because he's toon force is just really insane, has more people to help him out, he'll fit much better in the mushroom kingdom than peacemaker, and the food argument can be used as a advantage here because Yogi is really motivated over food the toads will just tell Yogi that after he saves the princesses she will bake a cake for him Yogi will really be motivated by that also in jellystone Yogi is able to eat a car, train, a lamppose, a house, and heck even people so Yogi can just eat the enemies and even bowser himself. Sure the peacemaker is more violent and more skill in combat that Yogi but he is going to get himself kill form this world and the toads will be really scared of this guy after seeing him kill goombas, koopas, and more plus he is freaking human, Yogi has already save the princesses before and it's not the weirdest thing Yogi has already dealt with he's met the rest of jellystone, scooby doo, billy & mandy, looney tunes, casper the friendly ghost, johnny bravo, and heck even dc before like deathstroke and teen titans go so that is why Yogi bear will take this also he'll really understand the power ups in this world so there is that!
I think Peacemaker would win because he would take out the army super fast he may struggle with some but I feel like they'd only last so long
Oh my god where the heck is multiverse match episode I've been waiting all day it's Sonic movie 3 trailer all over again
Peacemaker because I like him
Predator vs prey
Not let’s see the next werid match up Ada, from HH vs Eddie brigs
Where's Luigi?
In another castle.
aquas trans (im hoping this is right) and adams...him,so yeah,aqua wins and im surprise adam hast just quitted and started a show about waifus or something /j
in all seriusnes,at frist i was 100% on the side of peacemaker,but after reseraching a bit,i think yogis got this for a couple of reasons
1)yogi seems to have a much longer legacy and a ton more expirience,as he has existed for way longer than peacemaker (even if we dont count the dc reboots)
2)that means that yogi just has wackier crap to rely in,not saying peacemaker doestn have it,but its mostly been semirecent stuff from what ive seen in the video
3) yogi has meaten a ridiculous about of characters via crosovers,including freaking deathstroke,and im pretty sure that guys a few steps above peacemaker
so yeah,id say yogis got this,tho i honestly can see peacemaker winning
and in that case,adam should atleast consider my waifu idea ;)
Yogi bear has toon force and goofy but peacemaker has guns and kill al lot bad guys etc
But peacemaker that first is easy from him but later get hard to him he well have to get the big guns and more also he plane to koop castel but yogi that first well be blinb but he well get ready to find peach and maybe beat the king koopa
Yogi wins
Is this even fair peace maker is more smarter than yogi and can defeat bowser just like yhen he defeated shang sung and qan che so peace maker wins because he is more smarter
Who is yogi fighting? I can't see who his opponent is
I can see a helmet floating but that's it.
Who would win in a fight Uber Jason or human garou