fun little fact, she most likely has a third boss phase but we werent strong enough to see it, the music is suggesting this aswell since it ends abruptly
Most of the EDM themes you'd hear in the Genshin soundtrack (especially those that are in between orchestra songs, boss battles, or just tracks that are 90% edm/dubstep) do tend to mean that whatever or whoever this song is portraying has a connection to something otherworldly-- something that's not comprehensible to the player or the people around them. It's supposed to mean "something is wrong" or "this isn't normal". In my humble opinion, Arlecchino's boss theme switching to that EDM portion was something SO STRONG it made people fear it to the point of dislike hehe. Awesome analysis as usual!! I would love to suggest some relatively chill Genshin OSTs! One is called "Halcyon Times", an ost that plays mostly in Sumeru taverns; and the other is "Surreal Noctivaga" which is Layla's character demo OST!
There are some minor electronic influences in other areas as well. Mondstadt, Inazuma, and Sumeru have a noticeable presence of electronic elements, though not full blown EDM or dubstep most of the time. In Mondstadt it’s used partially to portray the very whimsical and mysterious nature of the music and the region, which really isn’t replicated elsewhere. In Inazuma, it’s the Electro nation, so duh. It’s taken to actual EDM territory for the Raiden Shogun and Scaramouche, which makes total sense. In Sumeru it’s mostly there because of the underlying computer theme of Dendro and Sumeru as a whole. But like you were saying, for truly otherworldly things, it goes directly into full on electronic music. Khaenri’ah, the Abyss, the Narwhal, the “???” area in Fontaine, etc., and Arlecchino’s falls into that category pretty firmly. The only other place that electronic music has a notable presence is in underwater themes, but there it’s probably to distinguish it from the surface and to provide a more serene and chill experience. Underwater is also another type of otherworldliness compared to the norm. Also, from your song recommendations, I can see you’re a person of culture as well.
yes i agree that, edm part is mostly used for something "otherworldly" , this's hoyo formula for the music i guess , i dont really have a knowledge about music, for me if my ears like the song so i love the song thats it.
Im one of the person who’s okay with the EDM part. Though, after that edm drop, Idk where the song is going anymore. The usual genshin formula has 1.Main theme, 2.problem/backstory/inner thoughts 3. climax, main theme+hard drop, 4.resolution or wrap up Arlecchino’s seems to lack something, but still a banger. Right after the lady sings, we got a dubstep-ish drop, then after it, there wasn’t any resolution or wrap up, even playing “a main theme”.
I can see why people don't like the EDM but I think in general Hoyo tends to use it for very specific purposes and considering what we know about Arlecchino's character it makes total sense for them to use it for her (rather like we've heard it in a few other certain boss fights). As far as why her name is what it is, she's in the same organization as La Signora, Scaramouche, and Childe (I believe you've done all of their boss themes?...if you haven't you should lol). So they all have a few leitmotifs that crop up that shows the common thread between them but really my point is with the name. Arlecchino is a codename like the others are and they are related to the Commedia del'Arte. So yeah, that's a thing. :)
I think one of the reasons people dislike the EDM is that it used to always be connected with the abyss, so its out of place here. Personally i dont know where Arlecchino's powers come from (havent played her quest yet in case its mentioned there) but i do see some room for the EDM to be justified there. From a musical standpoint i find it a bit boring. It also reminds me a bit too much of the EDM in Scara's bossfight
the EDM in Scara's boss makes a lot of sense though because we are literally fighting a mecha, but the use of shakuhachi provides that "organic and human" component which almost engages into the dialogue with the "inorganic" and mechanical part of Scara. What I love about that boss theme is that both of these components work together seamlessly during the whole track. In Arlecchino's case the dubstep in the second phase just comes out of nowhere and in my opinion it doesn't complement anything. I get what they wanted to do with this part, I really do, it just probably doesn't work for me, especially out of game context.
@@Natsu oh yes, definitely. In Scara's case you do also have the connection to the Abyss through the corrupted knowledge from Irminsul with which his god-form was created, so thematically it makes sense there
@@Natsu the EDM does fit arle. Her powers come from the crimson moon dynasty which is one of the 2 dynasties in khanriah so the EDM does make alot of senss
@@spiritus_noctis it isn't mentioned where she gets her powers from in the quest, which is probably why people are confused about the dubstep section people have inferred that it may have to do with the Khaenriah Crimson Moon dynasty, but the connection isn't made explicit (yet)
good eye on the glitch - yes, it ties into the character! arlecchino *literally* glitches in one of her idles. I accidentally got her yesterday and the glitch has been getting me, honestly it terrifies me a tiny bit lol
It really says a lot that even myself - a person whose music taste is VERY old school and acoustic i.e I like big orchestras choirs and jazz, nothing rap/trap/hip-hop/heavy metal related - really REALLY liked this boss theme. Normally the EDM would put me off immediately, but somehow this track is pushing all the right buttons for me in turns of bombast & drama. The EDM is nowhere near as harsh as I usually encounter (and can't stand), so I am very surprised that listeners who normally share my music tastes, didn't like it. Maybe I'm not as closed-off and grandpa-ish in my music taste as I thought...not a bad place to be. Edit: by the way, it looks like the composers did their job right if you were able to discern the duality of Arlecchino from just this boss music. She is indeed a tragic anti-hero, with a tragic traumatic past. She is operating under intense anger that have since mellowed out into meticulous scheming and hiding a lot of humanity behind a mask of cold objectivity. She is a very fascinating character, the music reflected her dimensions perfectly.
nice analysis and reaction from you as usual. its interesting that the opinions about this theme is completely split into absolutely love it and absolutely hate it, even among musicians. imo, this ost is so context heavy, so many details in the song that matches with the character Arlecchino herself. yes, it is not for everyone’s ears, but i personally enjoy it.
I myself is 50-50 on this. I keep on replaying it bec I like it overall. Here’s my take, im not trying to compare but mostly all the bosses theme has a main melody that you’d hear from either the intro, then to the climax with added beat drop. Arlecchino’s was like scattered all over the place and I don’t follow. It’s not even about the phases or the diff genres mixed, but like they were all not tied or transitioned together. To be fair, phase 1 to early phase 2 were smooth, but right after the woman sings, the melodies were like gone 🤷🏼. I like the singing part, dont get me wrong, but what’s after that sounded “huh” to me. No wrap up melodies, no resolution, no combination of prev melodies. Just my thought on it. I still listen to it everyday though. 🙂
@skygrass19 yep, but I think it's intentional. Besides the reason she's broken inside, it's like that to depicts terror and her khaenriah power that's still mysterious for the traveler, so yeah
@@xavehans that’s true, Im leaning towards the point that the battle is not even a boss battle but a test for the children and traveler. Some theorizes that there will be another boss battle for her with her ultimate form. That may be the reason why the last note on the song was prolonged and is not a conclusive note.
The other musically inclined folks I've seen comment on their distaste mostly centers around the piece as a standalone piece of music. It's objectively correct to observe that the inclusion of EDM in other Genshin tracks (save for the second phase of the Narwhal boss) is something that enters and exits, blending with the rest of the composition. I'd personally argue that in those cases, the EDM is a supporting element. In this piece, the EDM section is abrupt and "out of place," which as a piece of standalone music, ignoring context, doesn't flow well, which I can agree with. The EDM section has the EDM leading rather than supporting. Personally, I feel that the context can smooth out that flow by tying it together in an unseen way. There's also your case where you're seeking to understand what the music is trying to convey. As a piece that serves a purpose in the greater context of the game, I think it does a great job of conveying what it's supposed to. Another commenter mentioned that it doesn't necessarily fit well during the fight it is featured, and that's somewhat fair given that the music's abrupt shift is not timed to anything in the fight. People were likely more forgiving of the Narwhal Phase 2 because the entire piece was EDM and it was the context for the entire phase. This track is definitely one of the harshest contrasts Genshin's OST has provided us and as such it was probably destined to be polarizing (heh). Arlecchino is not a blend, anything but. She is comprised of dualities and contrasts.
@@CatharsisYT not to disparage other creators and musicians, but I do think personal preference played a heavy part in people’s views this time around.
I’ll have to add that lots of those who disliked that part understood why HYV did it and admits that for the greater context, the piece STILL DID A PERFECT JOB IN CONVEYING THE IMAGE. We still understood the message, the topic, and stylistic choice. Buuuuuuuuuuuut, if we remove that aspect just to enjoy it as a standalone piece of music, then it’s not as enjoyable as the other boss themes. It is my opinion that Music should not be reliant on context, but rather use it to make it extra good. Of course those who outright disliked it by saying it “doesn’t fit at all” or completely disregarding why the composers chose to that is, imo, too biased.
@@akii7550 eh, if it were true that music should never be reliant on context, that implies that music should serve itself first before serving what it is being made for. Music isn’t some inherently sacred art form where it’s more important that it can stand alone than anything else. For example, ambient music isn’t exactly good listening material, but it serves its purpose well. Is it more ideal if the piece can stand alone? Of course. It is most important, however, that it serves its context, even if that is to its own detriment as a standalone piece.
Apart from "The Song Burning in the Embers" animation, I can recommend: - Caprice of the Leaves (Collei character demo) - 1:09 - Veritas Numquam Perit (Charlotte character demo) - 1:17 They are not related to each other, but they have similar style.
When u pull the character as a playable character she literally glitches (I didn't expect it at first and thought my game was glitching but its just her idle animation) and then look at the screens directly shushes us its so creepy so it makes sense that there's also glithcing in her boss theme
Translated lyrics from Latin to English😊 Chant before phase 1. -Potes, potes •You have the power (x2) -Visa missa potes •You have the power vision unleashed/You have been seen -Heso deo cade •Fall with this you suspended [in time] Phase 1. -Dura, dura! •Suffer! (x2) -Iam oda illa •Now, [hear] this ode -Ardes ignes •Burn you fire -Caute missa •Having been sent out carefully -Te sute rubra lunae •You [are] stitched by the crimson moon -Lunae nominate petis •You pursue and bring fame to the moon (Musical break and wordless vocals) -Divita mari auro •through the golden, divine sea -Deveni plus mutatis •I was transformed -Dives par nossa cupii, no liminis invictus •I longed for [the one] from our home to rise equal to that unnoquered master -Dolore occhio dia ludus, Adeste por se inanis •Come, [lay your] eye upon this empty House, [mired] with divine strife. Transformation phase -Ultio irae •Vengeance of wrath -Ratio tuae (x2) •Your doctrine Phase 2: Parting of Light and Shadow -Ultio irae •Vengeance of wrath -Ratio tuae (x2) •Your doctrine -Quo vadis pater? •Where are you going, father? -Ecce! Luna ruba orta erat •Behold! The red moon has risen! -Noctem exsanguem rubefecit •It reddens the blood-drained night -Nemo nisi innocentes dormire potest •If not the innocents, then nobody can sleep! -Sors mors est velata •Doom is obscured -Ac sic somnia servabo liberorum •Thus, I will protect dreams of my children -(Num unam tantum benedictionem habes, pater nostri?) (children’s chorus) •(Our father, now you have only one blessing [for us?] -Sors mei finiet etiamsi •Even if it shackles my fate -Sors immanis et inanis salubris vanitas •The fate of monstrous salvation and empty vanity -Haec sors est immanis inanis etiamsi •Even if this fate is monstrous and empty -Semper velata dissolubilis •[This] concealment [has always been] fragile. -Inane rubeface a luna •With the moon, make red this emptiness -Nemo nisi innocentes dormire potest •If not the innocents, then nobody can sleep -Ecce te nepos excoci sed non quasi argentum elegi (choir) •Behold, my son, I tempered you, but not as if I chose silver -Te in patiente camino ut sis paterfamilias eum (choir) •Wait patiently at the hearth if you wish [to be] the father of the family -camini spero vos videre lucem novam luce nova •I hope you will all see the new light of the hearth.
As I already said in another video, hating a really good track just because of one moment is terribly stupid, despite the fact that it sounds good and, in principle, suits the character and the boss battle. Everyone, of course, has their own opinion and musical preference, but excuse me, this is too much, if the composers and developers did this, it means that there is a big reason for this, and all the hatred towards EDM is a direct hate on the creativity and real vision of the character that the developers initially given to this character. In general, stop hating on everything that deviates even a little from the standards, because variety (Especially when it's done SOOO well) is great, especially for a boss fight, there is art and many genres of music, everything can't sound the same/just one style/just the way you wanted. Perhaps, as a EDM musician and gigantic EDM fan I can’t understand people, lol. Thanks to this song, it made me return to Genshin after a long time, heh
Hey, I loved her theme despite being extremely neutral about EDM. It really, really fits her character. EDM in Genshin seems to mean "otherworldly" and there's definitely something VERY different about her. We didn't get too much information about her curse-like abilities, but the parallels between her and Perinheri ARE there so...
@@maglag Yes, I know about it. I'm just trying to prove that EDM is not bad, and in contrast to Opera/Orchestral music in one song EDM sounds very specific and diverse when compared to almost any Genshin song. And, you know, I think Orchestral Music + EDM is the best combination XD always sounds extra good than EDM/Orchestra separately
yeah, the whole song represents her too well, and as you say, if they played that EDM it's for a reason, as Marco said, even if he doesn't like the use of EDM as a musician, it's his job to understand why it was played, and hey, if they made it sounds "bad" or "heavy" is for a reason, each musical note has a context
Im surprised by the edm at first, but i fell in love with that after listening to it multiple times. Also this is a boss theme, not a independent pieces, these theme definitely fits the boss fight, i wish my hydro dragon damage can be lower so i can enjoy the ost more while fighting lol
im not gonna explain why the edm is there because the other comments have already explained it well enough. i do wanna add that before i knew her connection to the EDM i was also mixed with this song. after i understood the full context it made me love this track and its now my favourite one.
Every region of Genshin has a village (or several). And most of them have wonderful OST's. I have very rarely seen reactions to them on YT (only comes to mind MarcoMeatball and his reaction to Vimara Village day and night OST's). It's your decision whether to do it or not))) From me - it's just suggestion. By default i say about day time tracks. Night time version usually softer and lullaby-like (but still beautiful). All current villages and their tracks: Mondstadt Springvale - Whence the Flow Cometh (length 1:27) Liyue Qingce Village - Peaceful Hike (2:11) Qiaoying Village - Verdant Longings (1:39), Springtide of Qiaoying (1:51) Inazuma Konda Village - A Harmonious Rest (2:40) Higi Village - Forgotten Epic (1:27) Sumeru Vimara Village - Village Surrounded by Green (2:32) Aaru Village - Aspiration of Guardians (1:45), Settlement for Exiles (1:18) Fontaine Merusea Village - Melody of Merusea (1:59), Miraculous Whisper (1:55) Petrichor released, but not OST yet :( For my opinion, i prefer more Vimara OST, further Inazuma village's, further Merusea, further other OST's. But if pick one - i choose Forgotten Epic (because Village Surrounded by Green already have reaction)
The moment daddy did the vergil rival character action walk in phase one i knew it would be a fun sick time. The moment phase two kicked in and i got dive bombed with a high hp character flattened instantly i was like "oh im fucked...Yo lets fucking goooo!"
EDM in genshin impact means something that does not belong to Teyvat it kinda signifies the boss or the character the music is being played for to be an alien an outer world being or has connections to the abyss ( an otherworldly region ) so context wise it makes sense but musically it's subjective some may like it some may not and there's nothing wrong with that but to say it's "BAD" is pure ignorance most of us aren't as musically educated to know that especially when the majority of the music that Hoyo-mix produces is Top-tier...Me personally I liked it alot I have probably listened to it 50 times already🥳🥳👍👍
I saw some people talking about how the track is very context heavy. But I feel like this track can stand good without its context, it just may be off putting to some. I like to think the music is more so the context than the scene itself. Also thank you for this different perspective on Arlecchino's track ♡
Good analysis as always. And i agree, i don't really see any reson to straight up hate it. It might sound a bit off for Genshin because of EDM, but still. Straight up hating is stupid. In any case, i would recommend react to "Go together" from Reverse 1999.
the thing is,it doesn't sound off for genshin, the use of EDM has been used to represent things from the abyss, from outside of Teyvat and things from Kaenriah because all these things are related, the song represents his origin and character very well, I think that many people did not like it simply because They lacked context, it is much more entertaining to listen to and analyze a song, especially one from genshin when you have the context and notice the reason behind each musical note, Like, a normal person listens to that EDM and It might seem strange or bad, but when you listen to it in the middle of the fight with all the context behind it, you really appreciate how the song captures the character so well.
For the next Honkai reaction can you please please do "Circle of life"? It is literally the most beautiful music Hoyo has ever produced(in my opinion, at least) and is so mesmerisin, so I would love to see you take on it. Great video as always and wonderful breakdown, keep up the good work :D
Only ones that dont like Arles theme are Marco and that drummer guy that it.. I dont understand why ppl spread panic as thi i actually best OST hoyo done in any of their games
@@SayacrimsVocal minority. The general audience either liked it or didn't hate it enough to bother making noise about. Marco even clarified he didn't HATE it. Although I always find him inconsistent in what tracks/genres/musical landscapes strikes him fancy. He'd say he doesn't like something in said game but then something similar crop's up in another game and he's head over heels.
On a purely personal opinion, I think that this would be better if they gave the contralto more room to shine throughout the entire track... But it's probably just because I REALLY like her singing, haha.
Its almost as if the contralto is as temporary as arlecchino as the father of the house. You know, considering she's already prepping lyney succeed her.
@@carolineribeiro9063 and it did. It just wasn't too climactic compared to signora, childe or scaramouche's because unlike the three arleccino's boss fight is from a story quest not an archon quest.
Scara is complete edm since he's a meka but the composition itself was handled edm well enough. Same can't be said for this ost,that's why people are not happy much about it. The edm is just very sudden and out of abruptly nowhere. Also notice how the boss tracks got shorter for some reason.
Agree, the EDM here is very off-putting, unlike with Scara piece. I know they represent the alien nature of Alec, but the way they did it here is just worse...
i feel like i like the synthetic instruments in prior boss themes more because they weren't as alone i'm still lucky enough to like arlecchino's theme though
I hope you react to “La mer, la mere” from genshin, its like the most ambient ost of all ambient osts it’d be interesting to see your interpretations of it
So, I also didn't like the EDM to begin with, the first phase one was nice, I didn't expect it to go with the beat and the fatui theme, but in the 2nd phase It felt over done, I did my research and the main reason I had expected was the Crimson moon (as genshin uses EDM specifically for outworldly, curropted or forbidden knowledge, or Khaenri'ah related stuff), and fair enough, the link is to the Abyss/Khaenri'ah, which even though still excessive, I can give it a pass.
Marco Meatball has made a great explanation as to why some ppl (like him) may not have liked the edm part of this boss theme. To me the problem wasn't the edm existing. There's plenty of Genshin music that has edm that ppl absolutely loved. Mainly in Inazuma or a fan favorite like Scara's boss theme. I also really like the Narwhal boss theme. My issue is that it was way too similar to the Narwhal theme for what I think to be no reason. Instead of being a unique sound that fits with the flow for Arlecchino. There was no theming before hand that leads to being so similar to the Narwhal. It's just jarring and out of place. On top of the Narwhal theming not fitting. This edm doesn't work with the flow of the music. It just breaks it up and ruins the flow. All the other edm in Genshin has melody and flows well with all the surrounding music, so it was most likely intentional. This just ruins the enjoyment for me. Intentional or not I don't like it. They could've definitely made the Narwhal like theme flow well It would've still been weird but it would be more enjoyable. If y'all like it that's fine, music is subjective. That parts just not for me.
As it was mentioned by some other comments, EDM is due to her connection to the Crimson Moon, the Abyss/Khaenri'ah and her glitches, thus, it makes absolute sense from the thematical point of view. Her curse makes her similar to the Narwhal, so it had to be reflected in the music.
@@polinatrofimova7851 You misunderstood my point. I wasn't saying all the edm makes no sense. Edm is fine. My issue was the way the edm was done here. Breaking up and ruining the flow. When I said the theming made no sense I was referring to the theme being so similar to the Narwhal instead of its own unique sound for Arlecchino. Not its connection to the curse and Khaeri'ah and stuff. Your comparison of the curse to the Narwhal has no basis and just sounds like an assumption spurred on by theories. You have no concrete evidence here so I'll have to disagree. The theming being so similar to the Narwhal makes no sense and is just annoying. Besides, even if it did make sense, that doesn't change how I feel about the song outside of that context. Which is also an important part of my enjoyment (Marco talks about this). Don't like how the flow is broken and that's never gonna change. But luckily that's only a subjective part of music and others can enjoy it just fine.
I don't like the EDM part at the end, but I guess this is just Dimeng Yuan trying to mix something different than how he normally does while making it make sense to Arlecchino's origin (Khanri'an) But overall, Arlecchino theme is still one of the best boss theme so far since Scaramouche. theme.
Her boss theme is OK, even if it is worse than other boss themes then the margin is minimal and 2nd phase is 110% better than 2nd phase of the narwhal’s boss theme for instance. But … I think those guys who said that it is bad meant not boss theme but trailer OST cause it is easily the worst OST in the whole game
The problem people have isn't necessarily the EDM as much as it's not used the same way it's used in the rest of the game. Also imo I feel the synth choice for the EDM parts wasn't thought out well enough to make people like it immediately.
I feel like it was. The jarring nature of it works to show that aggressive energy releasing. I think it's surprising and intrusive on purpose, like how leading up to that point it was a slow build of frustration until the snap happens, a literal breaking point
@@CatharsisYT the problem I have isn't honestly the music itself but how it's presented in game. That "snap" happens way before the music presents it. As a piece of music, it's good, it's just not used well. Also the synth I'm referring to is the synth organ, which specifically feels off compared to the rest of the track.
@@tawlney I'll agree that the organ is probably one of the lesser important sounds, sure, but it's definitely used to add pressure. The organ is an overwhelming, oppressive sound. Having it in there helps the listener feel repressed. Kind of like the "wall of sound" formula
@@CatharsisYT Maybe my problem is that there are parts where it's hard to tell where the Organ is real during phase 2. I actually really like phase 1 but phase 2 didn't do it for me. It's more that the organ feels weaker during the big moment of that part for no reason I can see, and that feels really bad to me.
I gotta disagree. At a paint where the character snaps, there's distortion added through the synths. The first plucky distortion in there bouncing between left and right feels like ripping and tearing, and the bass synth under it pulls the presence forward. The snare adds a more prominent smack to the rhythm, which helps the aggression feel more intense and the listener feels smaller, overwhelmed by the saturation of it all. I can agree that it's a lot to take in, but I also believe that's the goal.
@@CatharsisYT I get your point, maybe this song is so polemic because it's hard to express why it feels lacking. To me, who has listened (and loved) all previous boss themes the EDM is the target of negative impact because it's far from a real climax for the song. The fact that the song ends shortly after makes you think "so that dubstep was the highest point?" And it leaves a bitter aftertaste. I guess the problem is that Signora, Azdaha and/or Scaramouche sets the bar really high. But thanks for the reply and I respect your opinion! Keep bringing more!!
"...arlechinno wants to destroy and entire continent" sounds like normal asian parenting anger. When dad is angry, you know it's fucked oh as a casual music listener, yeah I'm a edm hater, but tbh I don't understand anything music theory, don't even know what edm means, I just don't like the laser gun shot parts.. I've heard people talking about it's context needed because of her khaerian origins, but like, doesn't help that listening to the music ]standalone is a different experience.
Idk if I'm thinking of the same sound you mean by 'laser gun shot', but if you mean those weird sounds at 6:44, to me that sound that evoked this image of metal cables under immense tension twanging and vibrating - given her theme of spiderwebs I found it insanely cool
@@Graficcha yeah I mean those. And this truly is a testament to how different people can be, because idk how the f I got laser gun and you got metal cables twanging
I don't want to hear your nonsense like oh uh and co. We also want to hear some of the song. If correct then pause every 30 seconds and continue with the video
Personally i hope people know the song first before looking up reactions. I think pausing constantly is more obnoxious than talking about it actively. If that's not your vibe, that's fine. Not every creator is for everyone 🫡
I feel that some of the hatred this song gets is more due to problems with the game overall. Long story short, people are starting to recognize the game's patterns leading to less enjoyment and more critical outlooks. So when a long-anticipated character came out after most of the nation's plot had resolved, had a fight with relatively low stakes, and we don't get to learn anything about the glitching until after the fight in a separate -character- quest, all the excitement and emotions of the fight were ruined for a lot of people, turning the song's fittingly harsh aggressiveness into annoyingly grating sound.
I am genuinely just trying to understand what you are talking about. Separate character quest? The boss fight was a part of the character quest. If you did it separately then I am unsure why you are so judgmental about it. Games have flaws but I am unsure of what you speak of.
@@jozefen2718 You are correct that I misspoke, the character quest is the half that has the boss fight. The issue is that quest tells us nothing about the glitching, the darkened cursed hands, the unique eyes, all the questions that people had before the update. The character quest introduced new questions and answered them all in the same quest, leaving the things people actually were curious about for elsewhere. Although even that misses the main point of my original comment, it doesn't really matter *why* the community has decided to be angry. The comment was that people went into the fight where this song played with more anger/criticism than normal, contributing to it being interpreted as "the worst" instead of the great and meaningfully unsettling song it might have otherwise been know as.
@@zeroiscubed7823 i just don’t understand why people are so mad. None of the other characters that had “mysterious backgrounds” found themselves completely bared to the players during there first quests. Most of them had their story quest, an archon quest, and even world quests that still don’t answer those questions. People just are hating to hate because it wasn’t what they expected and while I understand what you are talking about. I think arlecchino is too complicated to get every answer from her or the world right away. For all we know, maybe even she doesn’t know and therefore can’t tell us. She does say in her voice lines to read perinheri. I think the truth is that it wouldn’t match the story or her personality to just outright tell us everything. I also think people are judging too quickly and do think that the music has a reason but we will see. I understand both sides but I think it’s too early to jump on one or the other.
@@jozefen2718 I'm not pretending I agree or even fully understand it either, was only attempting to report on the community trends that go along with the situation.
@@zeroiscubed7823 That’s sound and I am glad you are doing so but it still is a weird bridge to construct in the first place. Especially as an audience that really hasn’t been able to absorb much of the story as of yet.
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fun little fact, she most likely has a third boss phase but we werent strong enough to see it, the music is suggesting this aswell since it ends abruptly
Likely, considering she pulled a whole domain expansion 😂
@@poggerinochampion i pray to see the day we get to see her third phase
@@Mika_Serv yoik tenkai
My favorite part is that the “male” sounding opera voice is actually a female opera singer. What an amazing and talented opera singer.
Contraltos are absurd and they scare me, but they can step on me whenever /s
Unless...?
@@CatharsisYT 🤔
@@CatharsisYT Ayo 😳
~same~
The vocal equivalent of a woman that you would want to be stepped on
Most of the EDM themes you'd hear in the Genshin soundtrack (especially those that are in between orchestra songs, boss battles, or just tracks that are 90% edm/dubstep) do tend to mean that whatever or whoever this song is portraying has a connection to something otherworldly-- something that's not comprehensible to the player or the people around them. It's supposed to mean "something is wrong" or "this isn't normal".
In my humble opinion, Arlecchino's boss theme switching to that EDM portion was something SO STRONG it made people fear it to the point of dislike hehe. Awesome analysis as usual!!
I would love to suggest some relatively chill Genshin OSTs!
One is called "Halcyon Times", an ost that plays mostly in Sumeru taverns;
and the other is "Surreal Noctivaga" which is Layla's character demo OST!
There are some minor electronic influences in other areas as well. Mondstadt, Inazuma, and Sumeru have a noticeable presence of electronic elements, though not full blown EDM or dubstep most of the time. In Mondstadt it’s used partially to portray the very whimsical and mysterious nature of the music and the region, which really isn’t replicated elsewhere. In Inazuma, it’s the Electro nation, so duh. It’s taken to actual EDM territory for the Raiden Shogun and Scaramouche, which makes total sense. In Sumeru it’s mostly there because of the underlying computer theme of Dendro and Sumeru as a whole.
But like you were saying, for truly otherworldly things, it goes directly into full on electronic music. Khaenri’ah, the Abyss, the Narwhal, the “???” area in Fontaine, etc., and Arlecchino’s falls into that category pretty firmly.
The only other place that electronic music has a notable presence is in underwater themes, but there it’s probably to distinguish it from the surface and to provide a more serene and chill experience. Underwater is also another type of otherworldliness compared to the norm.
Also, from your song recommendations, I can see you’re a person of culture as well.
@@gyannunez This one! ^ You've worded it better than I did and expanded on more examples too! Thank you so much! I hope Catharsis gets to see this too
yes i agree that, edm part is mostly used for something "otherworldly" , this's hoyo formula for the music i guess , i dont really have a knowledge about music, for me if my ears like the song so i love the song thats it.
Im one of the person who’s okay with the EDM part. Though, after that edm drop, Idk where the song is going anymore. The usual genshin formula has
1.Main theme, 2.problem/backstory/inner thoughts 3. climax, main theme+hard drop, 4.resolution or wrap up
Arlecchino’s seems to lack something, but still a banger. Right after the lady sings, we got a dubstep-ish drop, then after it, there wasn’t any resolution or wrap up, even playing “a main theme”.
@@skygrass19 thats probably cause thats when the fight ends
I can see why people don't like the EDM but I think in general Hoyo tends to use it for very specific purposes and considering what we know about Arlecchino's character it makes total sense for them to use it for her (rather like we've heard it in a few other certain boss fights).
As far as why her name is what it is, she's in the same organization as La Signora, Scaramouche, and Childe (I believe you've done all of their boss themes?...if you haven't you should lol). So they all have a few leitmotifs that crop up that shows the common thread between them but really my point is with the name. Arlecchino is a codename like the others are and they are related to the Commedia del'Arte. So yeah, that's a thing. :)
I think one of the reasons people dislike the EDM is that it used to always be connected with the abyss, so its out of place here.
Personally i dont know where Arlecchino's powers come from (havent played her quest yet in case its mentioned there) but i do see some room for the EDM to be justified there.
From a musical standpoint i find it a bit boring. It also reminds me a bit too much of the EDM in Scara's bossfight
the EDM in Scara's boss makes a lot of sense though because we are literally fighting a mecha, but the use of shakuhachi provides that "organic and human" component which almost engages into the dialogue with the "inorganic" and mechanical part of Scara. What I love about that boss theme is that both of these components work together seamlessly during the whole track. In Arlecchino's case the dubstep in the second phase just comes out of nowhere and in my opinion it doesn't complement anything. I get what they wanted to do with this part, I really do, it just probably doesn't work for me, especially out of game context.
@@Natsu oh yes, definitely. In Scara's case you do also have the connection to the Abyss through the corrupted knowledge from Irminsul with which his god-form was created, so thematically it makes sense there
@@Natsu the EDM does fit arle. Her powers come from the crimson moon dynasty which is one of the 2 dynasties in khanriah so the EDM does make alot of senss
@@spiritus_noctis it isn't mentioned where she gets her powers from in the quest, which is probably why people are confused about the dubstep section
people have inferred that it may have to do with the Khaenriah Crimson Moon dynasty, but the connection isn't made explicit (yet)
good eye on the glitch - yes, it ties into the character! arlecchino *literally* glitches in one of her idles. I accidentally got her yesterday and the glitch has been getting me, honestly it terrifies me a tiny bit lol
It really says a lot that even myself - a person whose music taste is VERY old school and acoustic i.e I like big orchestras choirs and jazz, nothing rap/trap/hip-hop/heavy metal related - really REALLY liked this boss theme. Normally the EDM would put me off immediately, but somehow this track is pushing all the right buttons for me in turns of bombast & drama. The EDM is nowhere near as harsh as I usually encounter (and can't stand), so I am very surprised that listeners who normally share my music tastes, didn't like it.
Maybe I'm not as closed-off and grandpa-ish in my music taste as I thought...not a bad place to be.
Edit: by the way, it looks like the composers did their job right if you were able to discern the duality of Arlecchino from just this boss music. She is indeed a tragic anti-hero, with a tragic traumatic past. She is operating under intense anger that have since mellowed out into meticulous scheming and hiding a lot of humanity behind a mask of cold objectivity. She is a very fascinating character, the music reflected her dimensions perfectly.
nice analysis and reaction from you as usual. its interesting that the opinions about this theme is completely split into absolutely love it and absolutely hate it, even among musicians. imo, this ost is so context heavy, so many details in the song that matches with the character Arlecchino herself. yes, it is not for everyone’s ears, but i personally enjoy it.
I myself is 50-50 on this. I keep on replaying it bec I like it overall. Here’s my take, im not trying to compare but mostly all the bosses theme has a main melody that you’d hear from either the intro, then to the climax with added beat drop. Arlecchino’s was like scattered all over the place and I don’t follow. It’s not even about the phases or the diff genres mixed, but like they were all not tied or transitioned together.
To be fair, phase 1 to early phase 2 were smooth, but right after the woman sings, the melodies were like gone 🤷🏼. I like the singing part, dont get me wrong, but what’s after that sounded “huh” to me. No wrap up melodies, no resolution, no combination of prev melodies. Just my thought on it. I still listen to it everyday though. 🙂
@skygrass19 yep, but I think it's intentional. Besides the reason she's broken inside, it's like that to depicts terror and her khaenriah power that's still mysterious for the traveler, so yeah
@@xavehans that’s true, Im leaning towards the point that the battle is not even a boss battle but a test for the children and traveler. Some theorizes that there will be another boss battle for her with her ultimate form. That may be the reason why the last note on the song was prolonged and is not a conclusive note.
@@skygrass19 Man it would go so hard if we get another one much later and the song just bangs.
The other musically inclined folks I've seen comment on their distaste mostly centers around the piece as a standalone piece of music. It's objectively correct to observe that the inclusion of EDM in other Genshin tracks (save for the second phase of the Narwhal boss) is something that enters and exits, blending with the rest of the composition. I'd personally argue that in those cases, the EDM is a supporting element. In this piece, the EDM section is abrupt and "out of place," which as a piece of standalone music, ignoring context, doesn't flow well, which I can agree with. The EDM section has the EDM leading rather than supporting.
Personally, I feel that the context can smooth out that flow by tying it together in an unseen way. There's also your case where you're seeking to understand what the music is trying to convey. As a piece that serves a purpose in the greater context of the game, I think it does a great job of conveying what it's supposed to. Another commenter mentioned that it doesn't necessarily fit well during the fight it is featured, and that's somewhat fair given that the music's abrupt shift is not timed to anything in the fight. People were likely more forgiving of the Narwhal Phase 2 because the entire piece was EDM and it was the context for the entire phase.
This track is definitely one of the harshest contrasts Genshin's OST has provided us and as such it was probably destined to be polarizing (heh). Arlecchino is not a blend, anything but. She is comprised of dualities and contrasts.
Media literacy is an unfortunately dying skill and I wish more people listened more to intent than surface-level personal tastes 🫠
@@CatharsisYT not to disparage other creators and musicians, but I do think personal preference played a heavy part in people’s views this time around.
It always does, but reading the intended mood/message aside, it's still a bummer people let that bias blind their impressions
I’ll have to add that lots of those who disliked that part understood why HYV did it and admits that for the greater context, the piece STILL DID A PERFECT JOB IN CONVEYING THE IMAGE. We still understood the message, the topic, and stylistic choice.
Buuuuuuuuuuuut, if we remove that aspect just to enjoy it as a standalone piece of music, then it’s not as enjoyable as the other boss themes. It is my opinion that Music should not be reliant on context, but rather use it to make it extra good.
Of course those who outright disliked it by saying it “doesn’t fit at all” or completely disregarding why the composers chose to that is, imo, too biased.
@@akii7550 eh, if it were true that music should never be reliant on context, that implies that music should serve itself first before serving what it is being made for. Music isn’t some inherently sacred art form where it’s more important that it can stand alone than anything else. For example, ambient music isn’t exactly good listening material, but it serves its purpose well.
Is it more ideal if the piece can stand alone? Of course. It is most important, however, that it serves its context, even if that is to its own detriment as a standalone piece.
Apart from "The Song Burning in the Embers" animation, I can recommend:
- Caprice of the Leaves (Collei character demo) - 1:09
- Veritas Numquam Perit (Charlotte character demo) - 1:17
They are not related to each other, but they have similar style.
When u pull the character as a playable character she literally glitches (I didn't expect it at first and thought my game was glitching but its just her idle animation) and then look at the screens directly shushes us its so creepy so it makes sense that there's also glithcing in her boss theme
Translated lyrics from Latin to English😊
Chant before phase 1.
-Potes, potes
•You have the power (x2)
-Visa missa potes
•You have the power vision unleashed/You have been seen
-Heso deo cade
•Fall with this you suspended [in time]
Phase 1.
-Dura, dura!
•Suffer! (x2)
-Iam oda illa
•Now, [hear] this ode
-Ardes ignes
•Burn you fire
-Caute missa
•Having been sent out carefully
-Te sute rubra lunae
•You [are] stitched by the crimson moon
-Lunae nominate petis
•You pursue and bring fame to the moon
(Musical break and wordless vocals)
-Divita mari auro
•through the golden, divine sea
-Deveni plus mutatis
•I was transformed
-Dives par nossa cupii, no liminis invictus
•I longed for [the one] from our home to rise equal to that unnoquered master
-Dolore occhio dia ludus, Adeste por se inanis
•Come, [lay your] eye upon this empty House, [mired] with divine strife.
Transformation phase
-Ultio irae
•Vengeance of wrath
-Ratio tuae (x2)
•Your doctrine
Phase 2: Parting of Light and Shadow
-Ultio irae
•Vengeance of wrath
-Ratio tuae (x2)
•Your doctrine
-Quo vadis pater?
•Where are you going, father?
-Ecce! Luna ruba orta erat
•Behold! The red moon has risen!
-Noctem exsanguem rubefecit
•It reddens the blood-drained night
-Nemo nisi innocentes dormire potest
•If not the innocents, then nobody can sleep!
-Sors mors est velata
•Doom is obscured
-Ac sic somnia servabo liberorum
•Thus, I will protect dreams of my children
-(Num unam tantum benedictionem habes, pater nostri?) (children’s chorus)
•(Our father, now you have only one blessing [for us?]
-Sors mei finiet etiamsi
•Even if it shackles my fate
-Sors immanis et inanis salubris vanitas
•The fate of monstrous salvation and empty vanity
-Haec sors est immanis inanis etiamsi
•Even if this fate is monstrous and empty
-Semper velata dissolubilis
•[This] concealment [has always been] fragile.
-Inane rubeface a luna
•With the moon, make red this emptiness
-Nemo nisi innocentes dormire potest
•If not the innocents, then nobody can sleep
-Ecce te nepos excoci sed non quasi argentum elegi (choir)
•Behold, my son, I tempered you, but not as if I chose silver
-Te in patiente camino ut sis paterfamilias eum (choir)
•Wait patiently at the hearth if you wish [to be] the father of the family
-camini spero vos videre lucem novam luce nova
•I hope you will all see the new light of the hearth.
As I already said in another video, hating a really good track just because of one moment is terribly stupid, despite the fact that it sounds good and, in principle, suits the character and the boss battle. Everyone, of course, has their own opinion and musical preference, but excuse me, this is too much, if the composers and developers did this, it means that there is a big reason for this, and all the hatred towards EDM is a direct hate on the creativity and real vision of the character that the developers initially given to this character. In general, stop hating on everything that deviates even a little from the standards, because variety (Especially when it's done SOOO well) is great, especially for a boss fight, there is art and many genres of music, everything can't sound the same/just one style/just the way you wanted. Perhaps, as a EDM musician and gigantic EDM fan I can’t understand people, lol. Thanks to this song, it made me return to Genshin after a long time, heh
Hey, I loved her theme despite being extremely neutral about EDM. It really, really fits her character. EDM in Genshin seems to mean "otherworldly" and there's definitely something VERY different about her. We didn't get too much information about her curse-like abilities, but the parallels between her and Perinheri ARE there so...
@@maglag Yes, I know about it. I'm just trying to prove that EDM is not bad, and in contrast to Opera/Orchestral music in one song EDM sounds very specific and diverse when compared to almost any Genshin song. And, you know, I think Orchestral Music + EDM is the best combination XD always sounds extra good than EDM/Orchestra separately
same i don't understand why people are so pressed about 20 secs of edm in a 2 minute ost....
yeah, the whole song represents her too well, and as you say, if they played that EDM it's for a reason, as Marco said, even if he doesn't like the use of EDM as a musician, it's his job to understand why it was played, and hey, if they made it sounds "bad" or "heavy" is for a reason, each musical note has a context
Im surprised by the edm at first, but i fell in love with that after listening to it multiple times. Also this is a boss theme, not a independent pieces, these theme definitely fits the boss fight, i wish my hydro dragon damage can be lower so i can enjoy the ost more while fighting lol
now its time to react the live version of this song ...pls let this happen
im not gonna explain why the edm is there because the other comments have already explained it well enough.
i do wanna add that before i knew her connection to the EDM i was also mixed with this song.
after i understood the full context it made me love this track and its now my favourite one.
Арлекино, Арлекино
Нужно быть смешным для всех
Арлекино, Арлекино
Есть лишь одна награда-смех
Oh also you need to see the live version the singer embodies Arle perfectly its almost like she really is on the stage singing herself.
Every region of Genshin has a village (or several). And most of them have wonderful OST's. I have very rarely seen reactions to them on YT (only comes to mind MarcoMeatball and his reaction to Vimara Village day and night OST's). It's your decision whether to do it or not))) From me - it's just suggestion.
By default i say about day time tracks. Night time version usually softer and lullaby-like (but still beautiful). All current villages and their tracks:
Mondstadt
Springvale - Whence the Flow Cometh (length 1:27)
Liyue
Qingce Village - Peaceful Hike (2:11)
Qiaoying Village - Verdant Longings (1:39), Springtide of Qiaoying (1:51)
Inazuma
Konda Village - A Harmonious Rest (2:40)
Higi Village - Forgotten Epic (1:27)
Sumeru
Vimara Village - Village Surrounded by Green (2:32)
Aaru Village - Aspiration of Guardians (1:45), Settlement for Exiles (1:18)
Fontaine
Merusea Village - Melody of Merusea (1:59), Miraculous Whisper (1:55)
Petrichor released, but not OST yet :(
For my opinion, i prefer more Vimara OST, further Inazuma village's, further Merusea, further other OST's. But if pick one - i choose Forgotten Epic (because Village Surrounded by Green already have reaction)
My guy really brought up Aaru Village and didn’t recommend “Wind of Tranquility.”
This OST is very closely tide in with Arlecchinos story and quest. When you see that you understand this song
ARLECCHINO ANIMATED SHORT BREAKDOWN NEXT PLEEEEEASE!!! 😍😍😍
The moment daddy did the vergil rival character action walk in phase one i knew it would be a fun sick time. The moment phase two kicked in and i got dive bombed with a high hp character flattened instantly i was like "oh im fucked...Yo lets fucking goooo!"
EDM in genshin impact means something that does not belong to Teyvat it kinda signifies the boss or the character the music is being played for to be an alien an outer world being or has connections to the abyss ( an otherworldly region ) so context wise it makes sense but musically it's subjective some may like it some may not and there's nothing wrong with that but to say it's "BAD" is pure ignorance most of us aren't as musically educated to know that especially when the majority of the music that Hoyo-mix produces is Top-tier...Me personally I liked it alot I have probably listened to it 50 times already🥳🥳👍👍
I saw some people talking about how the track is very context heavy. But I feel like this track can stand good without its context, it just may be off putting to some.
I like to think the music is more so the context than the scene itself.
Also thank you for this different perspective on Arlecchino's track ♡
Good analysis as always. And i agree, i don't really see any reson to straight up hate it. It might sound a bit off for Genshin because of EDM, but still. Straight up hating is stupid. In any case, i would recommend react to "Go together" from Reverse 1999.
the thing is,it doesn't sound off for genshin, the use of EDM has been used to represent things from the abyss, from outside of Teyvat and things from Kaenriah because all these things are related, the song represents his origin and character very well, I think that many people did not like it simply because They lacked context, it is much more entertaining to listen to and analyze a song, especially one from genshin when you have the context and notice the reason behind each musical note, Like, a normal person listens to that EDM and It might seem strange or bad, but when you listen to it in the middle of the fight with all the context behind it, you really appreciate how the song captures the character so well.
If people really aren’t a fan of the EDM, they probably aren’t gonna be very happy when Khaenri'ah comes around. I suspect that’ll be filled with EDM.
animated short breakdown for Arlecchino next, pretty please?
i love how genshin mixes everything and it still sounds good
I'd like to see your opinion on the new "The Song Burning in the Embers" Genshin animation!
For the next Honkai reaction can you please please do "Circle of life"? It is literally the most beautiful music Hoyo has ever produced(in my opinion, at least) and is so mesmerisin, so I would love to see you take on it. Great video as always and wonderful breakdown, keep up the good work :D
freakin vibed with tttheyir a ton. unbelievable level of quality. I now need to see you react on October Ends's new song DAMAGED 😍
Only ones that dont like Arles theme are Marco and that drummer guy that it.. I dont understand why ppl spread panic as thi i actually best OST hoyo done in any of their games
I actually see everywhere that people hate it (from comments section), and it was hated eversince the boss theme was leaked
@@SayacrimsVocal minority. The general audience either liked it or didn't hate it enough to bother making noise about. Marco even clarified he didn't HATE it. Although I always find him inconsistent in what tracks/genres/musical landscapes strikes him fancy. He'd say he doesn't like something in said game but then something similar crop's up in another game and he's head over heels.
On a purely personal opinion, I think that this would be better if they gave the contralto more room to shine throughout the entire track... But it's probably just because I REALLY like her singing, haha.
I can see that. Her voice is gorgeous but rides the line of "just enough but i want more" 👁️👄👁️
Its almost as if the contralto is as temporary as arlecchino as the father of the house. You know, considering she's already prepping lyney succeed her.
@@batperson3532 but the Harbinger boss theme should be about the Harbinger. It's their time to shine, their moment to tell their story.
@@carolineribeiro9063 and it did. It just wasn't too climactic compared to signora, childe or scaramouche's because unlike the three arleccino's boss fight is from a story quest not an archon quest.
@@batperson3532 Hmm. I still disagree, but you made a valid point.
Quite the theme for the Weekly Boss who has the highest DPS output compared to other Weekly Bosses
Scara is complete edm since he's a meka but the composition itself was handled edm well enough.
Same can't be said for this ost,that's why people are not happy much about it.
The edm is just very sudden and out of abruptly nowhere.
Also notice how the boss tracks got shorter for some reason.
The edm is there because it represents the abyss and the crimson moon dynasty
Agree, the EDM here is very off-putting, unlike with Scara piece. I know they represent the alien nature of Alec, but the way they did it here is just worse...
@@Force200888 Its supposed to be off putting, cry about it
If you want to do another genshin reaction, then I recommend "Whirling of Vairambhaka," I'm sure you'll like it, even if it's a bit short
i feel like i like the synthetic instruments in prior boss themes more because they weren't as alone
i'm still lucky enough to like arlecchino's theme though
I hope you react to “La mer, la mere” from genshin, its like the most ambient ost of all ambient osts
it’d be interesting to see your interpretations of it
7:55 i think it was the scaramouche boss theme
If I list my top 10 boss themes, this one goes to my honorable mention.
OMG you should react to the live version! 😍🔥
So, I also didn't like the EDM to begin with, the first phase one was nice, I didn't expect it to go with the beat and the fatui theme, but in the 2nd phase It felt over done, I did my research and the main reason I had expected was the Crimson moon (as genshin uses EDM specifically for outworldly, curropted or forbidden knowledge, or Khaenri'ah related stuff), and fair enough, the link is to the Abyss/Khaenri'ah, which even though still excessive, I can give it a pass.
0:36 oh Lmao it's me thanks
Those British teeth go hard
Marco Meatball has made a great explanation as to why some ppl (like him) may not have liked the edm part of this boss theme.
To me the problem wasn't the edm existing. There's plenty of Genshin music that has edm that ppl absolutely loved. Mainly in Inazuma or a fan favorite like Scara's boss theme. I also really like the Narwhal boss theme.
My issue is that it was way too similar to the Narwhal theme for what I think to be no reason. Instead of being a unique sound that fits with the flow for Arlecchino. There was no theming before hand that leads to being so similar to the Narwhal. It's just jarring and out of place.
On top of the Narwhal theming not fitting. This edm doesn't work with the flow of the music. It just breaks it up and ruins the flow. All the other edm in Genshin has melody and flows well with all the surrounding music, so it was most likely intentional. This just ruins the enjoyment for me. Intentional or not I don't like it.
They could've definitely made the Narwhal like theme flow well
It would've still been weird but it would be more enjoyable.
If y'all like it that's fine, music is subjective. That parts just not for me.
As it was mentioned by some other comments, EDM is due to her connection to the Crimson Moon, the Abyss/Khaenri'ah and her glitches, thus, it makes absolute sense from the thematical point of view. Her curse makes her similar to the Narwhal, so it had to be reflected in the music.
@@polinatrofimova7851
You misunderstood my point.
I wasn't saying all the edm makes no sense. Edm is fine. My issue was the way the edm was done here. Breaking up and ruining the flow.
When I said the theming made no sense I was referring to the theme being so similar to the Narwhal instead of its own unique sound for Arlecchino. Not its connection to the curse and Khaeri'ah and stuff. Your comparison of the curse to the Narwhal has no basis and just sounds like an assumption spurred on by theories. You have no concrete evidence here so I'll have to disagree. The theming being so similar to the Narwhal makes no sense and is just annoying.
Besides, even if it did make sense, that doesn't change how I feel about the song outside of that context. Which is also an important part of my enjoyment (Marco talks about this). Don't like how the flow is broken and that's never gonna change. But luckily that's only a subjective part of music and others can enjoy it just fine.
I don't like the EDM part at the end, but I guess this is just Dimeng Yuan trying to mix something different than how he normally does while making it make sense to Arlecchino's origin (Khanri'an) But overall, Arlecchino theme is still one of the best boss theme so far since Scaramouche. theme.
Her boss theme is OK, even if it is worse than other boss themes then the margin is minimal and 2nd phase is 110% better than 2nd phase of the narwhal’s boss theme for instance.
But … I think those guys who said that it is bad meant not boss theme but trailer OST cause it is easily the worst OST in the whole game
"ar tonelico" будет ?
Can you please react to Parousia Diluvi and Eleusis Dicis Gratia
The problem people have isn't necessarily the EDM as much as it's not used the same way it's used in the rest of the game. Also imo I feel the synth choice for the EDM parts wasn't thought out well enough to make people like it immediately.
I feel like it was. The jarring nature of it works to show that aggressive energy releasing. I think it's surprising and intrusive on purpose, like how leading up to that point it was a slow build of frustration until the snap happens, a literal breaking point
@@CatharsisYT the problem I have isn't honestly the music itself but how it's presented in game. That "snap" happens way before the music presents it.
As a piece of music, it's good, it's just not used well. Also the synth I'm referring to is the synth organ, which specifically feels off compared to the rest of the track.
@@tawlney I'll agree that the organ is probably one of the lesser important sounds, sure, but it's definitely used to add pressure. The organ is an overwhelming, oppressive sound. Having it in there helps the listener feel repressed. Kind of like the "wall of sound" formula
@@CatharsisYT Maybe my problem is that there are parts where it's hard to tell where the Organ is real during phase 2. I actually really like phase 1 but phase 2 didn't do it for me.
It's more that the organ feels weaker during the big moment of that part for no reason I can see, and that feels really bad to me.
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I'm an EDM fan, but you gotta agree that EDM was just noise. doesn't add up to the music, it just disrupts.
I gotta disagree. At a paint where the character snaps, there's distortion added through the synths. The first plucky distortion in there bouncing between left and right feels like ripping and tearing, and the bass synth under it pulls the presence forward. The snare adds a more prominent smack to the rhythm, which helps the aggression feel more intense and the listener feels smaller, overwhelmed by the saturation of it all. I can agree that it's a lot to take in, but I also believe that's the goal.
@@CatharsisYT I get your point, maybe this song is so polemic because it's hard to express why it feels lacking. To me, who has listened (and loved) all previous boss themes the EDM is the target of negative impact because it's far from a real climax for the song. The fact that the song ends shortly after makes you think "so that dubstep was the highest point?" And it leaves a bitter aftertaste. I guess the problem is that Signora, Azdaha and/or Scaramouche sets the bar really high.
But thanks for the reply and I respect your opinion! Keep bringing more!!
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"...arlechinno wants to destroy and entire continent" sounds like normal asian parenting anger. When dad is angry, you know it's fucked
oh as a casual music listener, yeah I'm a edm hater, but tbh I don't understand anything music theory, don't even know what edm means, I just don't like the laser gun shot parts.. I've heard people talking about it's context needed because of her khaerian origins, but like, doesn't help that listening to the music ]standalone is a different experience.
Idk if I'm thinking of the same sound you mean by 'laser gun shot', but if you mean those weird sounds at 6:44, to me that sound that evoked this image of metal cables under immense tension twanging and vibrating - given her theme of spiderwebs I found it insanely cool
@@Graficcha yeah I mean those. And this truly is a testament to how different people can be, because idk how the f I got laser gun and you got metal cables twanging
I don't want to hear your nonsense like oh uh and co. We also want to hear some of the song. If correct then pause every 30 seconds and continue with the video
Personally i hope people know the song first before looking up reactions. I think pausing constantly is more obnoxious than talking about it actively. If that's not your vibe, that's fine. Not every creator is for everyone 🫡
I feel that some of the hatred this song gets is more due to problems with the game overall. Long story short, people are starting to recognize the game's patterns leading to less enjoyment and more critical outlooks.
So when a long-anticipated character came out after most of the nation's plot had resolved, had a fight with relatively low stakes, and we don't get to learn anything about the glitching until after the fight in a separate -character- quest, all the excitement and emotions of the fight were ruined for a lot of people, turning the song's fittingly harsh aggressiveness into annoyingly grating sound.
I am genuinely just trying to understand what you are talking about. Separate character quest? The boss fight was a part of the character quest. If you did it separately then I am unsure why you are so judgmental about it. Games have flaws but I am unsure of what you speak of.
@@jozefen2718 You are correct that I misspoke, the character quest is the half that has the boss fight. The issue is that quest tells us nothing about the glitching, the darkened cursed hands, the unique eyes, all the questions that people had before the update. The character quest introduced new questions and answered them all in the same quest, leaving the things people actually were curious about for elsewhere.
Although even that misses the main point of my original comment, it doesn't really matter *why* the community has decided to be angry. The comment was that people went into the fight where this song played with more anger/criticism than normal, contributing to it being interpreted as "the worst" instead of the great and meaningfully unsettling song it might have otherwise been know as.
@@zeroiscubed7823 i just don’t understand why people are so mad. None of the other characters that had “mysterious backgrounds” found themselves completely bared to the players during there first quests. Most of them had their story quest, an archon quest, and even world quests that still don’t answer those questions. People just are hating to hate because it wasn’t what they expected and while I understand what you are talking about. I think arlecchino is too complicated to get every answer from her or the world right away. For all we know, maybe even she doesn’t know and therefore can’t tell us. She does say in her voice lines to read perinheri. I think the truth is that it wouldn’t match the story or her personality to just outright tell us everything.
I also think people are judging too quickly and do think that the music has a reason but we will see. I understand both sides but I think it’s too early to jump on one or the other.
@@jozefen2718 I'm not pretending I agree or even fully understand it either, was only attempting to report on the community trends that go along with the situation.
@@zeroiscubed7823 That’s sound and I am glad you are doing so but it still is a weird bridge to construct in the first place. Especially as an audience that really hasn’t been able to absorb much of the story as of yet.
In no way you would have to be educated to enjoy genshin musics, it's a freaking gatcha game guys😅 EDM is not your cup of tea so what?
What does genshin being a gacha game has to do with anything? You sound so dumb
GUYS Mother Fatherd so hard again that she became the "FATHER"
PS its Ar.lekˈki.no the Cs are Ks