0:36 on the soul 0:40 paradeima (bottom to top means second wing is inversed) 2:25 engravement of souls 4:17 superchain theory I 5:23 superchain theory I (debuffs) 6:50 Apo (party in) / peri (party out) 7:26 paradeima and engravement (Supports) 9:46 paradeima and engravement (DPS) 10:41 adds (Limit Cut) 12:41 superchain theory 2A (start at north/south ball that has pairs) 14:05 Apo (party in) / peri (party out) 14:15 superchain theory 2B (start at north/south with donut, then pair/protean in east/west)
I appreciate in-real-time gameplay with commentary, even if it's slowed/sped up at points. i think party finder will still adopt a mix of strats, especially earlier on, before Para 3. Anyways, thanks rinon!
So Rinon bud, I watch your video along with the Yuki's video. So, just a suggestion. In super chain 1, I believe the strategy Yuki came up with is better. "Light debuffs go Left, Red (dark) debuffs go Right" will be so much easier for me at least to remember which side I need to go to resolve the balance.
Apodialogos or Peridialogos is not a 2-man buster. It is a single tank buster. This allows for the need of only 1 tank to pop cooldowns while the other tank use their short cooldown on the tank buster tank instead and stack with the party. As a tank I've only used the following here for the first one, HoL + Reprisal to reduce damage to the party, Camo + Rampart + Corrundum for myself. I only take nearly 40% of my own HP. The second set we literally only take with just party shields and my off tank only uses Vengeance and Bloodwhetting while I corrundum them. They take the same amount of damage
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxCnp4yMI65AixC6cuujy7cEZd5F22CPAz Here's the clip in question. We do use Addle and Feint here but that's because we found out that if we use those late we can cover both the stack and On the Soul after it. I use reprisal abit earlier so I have it for the On the Soul after the coming Paradigma
@@MrSineofX Thanks for the clip! First of all, just to avoid confusion for everyone else, the respective DoT-buster damage of each Peri-/Apodialogos iteration is indeed shareable between two people, making it per definition a shared buster. An intended solo-tankbuster would either not hit a second tank, even if standing near the targetted tank, or it would clip and deal an unchanged amount of damage. After checking and comparing multiple runs of solo vs double stacking, we came to the conclusion that the damage changes aka will be split. In my opinion, this is a hard flag for "take this with both tanks!". But: yes, obviously savage split tankbusters usually deal not enough damage for you to NEED both tanks in it, hence your suggested strat is a valid option with both advantages and disavdantages. It's a good point that people can chose to do this strat as well! Just one little thing with what you said: in said clip you take 53k damage, which is definitely more than 20%hp (just so people son't get the wrong impression of how to mitigates this). And while you are aware, for other people reading this: HoL does nothing for the tankbuster, it is solely for party mitigation, as the tankbuster damage is physical.
@@eilonr4847 Just for some clarification, we did this originally with 2 tanks with my co-tank popping the same mitigations and stacking together and we took the same exact number of damage. We only found out how it was a single buster when we got there on an earlier pull in prog where I was dead and he was alive and only with the same number of mits. There was no difference in the damage taken as a share and as a single target. The AoE from the buster however will always cleave every player in it's vicinity Edit: I have adjusted the original post to show 40% of my own HP. But also there have been instances of thos where I do only take around 30% HP instead as I would assume damage variance. My group has never encountered a scenario where the tank is just screwed over by doing this.
@@MrSineofX Your own logs literally prove it's shareable puu.sh/JIoYo/d2767dfb9c.png puu.sh/JIoYB/002b376d77.png Notice the unmitigated damage is double when you took it solo? Just because it's possible to mit it solo doesn't change the fact that it is indeed shareable
Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say "If you lb3 when you're in a bad position while there's only 1 tile up... SEE YA!" at the end of superchain 2B? Obviously you don't want to lb3 on a tile that's about to fall cause you'll get animation locked and dropped, but is there some other interaction we need to be careful of?
@@chaoticparadoxx Oh crud, I always assumed those animations were for show and didn't actually temporarily move the player hotbox. Thanks for the response!
@@chickgod2469 Theres a very nice unvoluntary showcase of it from a clip of E9S where a drg lb3's while on an outside tile and drops the person infront of them cuz the lb makes you dash in a line towards the boss x)
@@chickgod2469 Actually MNK doesn't send you off the edge at all. I've done plenty of goofy LB3s where my character floats in midair during the animation
right at the beginning, the tanks invulning the beams CAN take an auto attack, but they have to be mitted with tank CD's and healer stuff. i believe we use rampart, benison and protraction
you need to first clear all the normal fights, finish the questline, speak to the npc to unlock the savage ones, clear P9S, P10S and P11S and then you'll be able to do this fight.
You just have to clear all the normal fights and unlock the savage ones, then you have to find a leader with the acces to P12S to go in, no need for you to kill thoses before but you lost all chance of loot.
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0:36 on the soul
0:40 paradeima (bottom to top means second wing is inversed)
2:25 engravement of souls
4:17 superchain theory I
5:23 superchain theory I (debuffs)
6:50 Apo (party in) / peri (party out)
7:26 paradeima and engravement (Supports)
9:46 paradeima and engravement (DPS)
10:41 adds (Limit Cut)
12:41 superchain theory 2A (start at north/south ball that has pairs)
14:05 Apo (party in) / peri (party out)
14:15 superchain theory 2B (start at north/south with donut, then pair/protean in east/west)
would you be able to timestamp the mechs?
I liek your voice, it's why I keep coming back for your guides ^^
Great guide! Amazing how you manage week 1 clears AND get these guides out to help other players, what a hero :3
I appreciate in-real-time gameplay with commentary, even if it's slowed/sped up at points. i think party finder will still adopt a mix of strats, especially earlier on, before Para 3. Anyways, thanks rinon!
I can hear your little chuckle when you say "Blue Balls" lmao.
Excellent guide, as always!
Super informative as always!
came out just in time for our prog! quality guide as always ☺
Thanks as always 🙏
So Rinon bud, I watch your video along with the Yuki's video. So, just a suggestion. In super chain 1, I believe the strategy Yuki came up with is better. "Light debuffs go Left, Red (dark) debuffs go Right" will be so much easier for me at least to remember which side I need to go to resolve the balance.
Thanks as usual!
rinon u mightve clutched up for my week 1 thank u
Apodialogos or Peridialogos is not a 2-man buster. It is a single tank buster. This allows for the need of only 1 tank to pop cooldowns while the other tank use their short cooldown on the tank buster tank instead and stack with the party.
As a tank I've only used the following here for the first one, HoL + Reprisal to reduce damage to the party, Camo + Rampart + Corrundum for myself. I only take nearly 40% of my own HP.
The second set we literally only take with just party shields and my off tank only uses Vengeance and Bloodwhetting while I corrundum them. They take the same amount of damage
th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxCnp4yMI65AixC6cuujy7cEZd5F22CPAz
Here's the clip in question. We do use Addle and Feint here but that's because we found out that if we use those late we can cover both the stack and On the Soul after it. I use reprisal abit earlier so I have it for the On the Soul after the coming Paradigma
@@MrSineofX Thanks for the clip! First of all, just to avoid confusion for everyone else, the respective DoT-buster damage of each Peri-/Apodialogos iteration is indeed shareable between two people, making it per definition a shared buster. An intended solo-tankbuster would either not hit a second tank, even if standing near the targetted tank, or it would clip and deal an unchanged amount of damage. After checking and comparing multiple runs of solo vs double stacking, we came to the conclusion that the damage changes aka will be split. In my opinion, this is a hard flag for "take this with both tanks!".
But: yes, obviously savage split tankbusters usually deal not enough damage for you to NEED both tanks in it, hence your suggested strat is a valid option with both advantages and disavdantages. It's a good point that people can chose to do this strat as well! Just one little thing with what you said: in said clip you take 53k damage, which is definitely more than 20%hp (just so people son't get the wrong impression of how to mitigates this). And while you are aware, for other people reading this: HoL does nothing for the tankbuster, it is solely for party mitigation, as the tankbuster damage is physical.
@@eilonr4847 Just for some clarification, we did this originally with 2 tanks with my co-tank popping the same mitigations and stacking together and we took the same exact number of damage.
We only found out how it was a single buster when we got there on an earlier pull in prog where I was dead and he was alive and only with the same number of mits. There was no difference in the damage taken as a share and as a single target.
The AoE from the buster however will always cleave every player in it's vicinity
Edit: I have adjusted the original post to show 40% of my own HP. But also there have been instances of thos where I do only take around 30% HP instead as I would assume damage variance. My group has never encountered a scenario where the tank is just screwed over by doing this.
@@MrSineofX Your own logs literally prove it's shareable
puu.sh/JIoYo/d2767dfb9c.png
puu.sh/JIoYB/002b376d77.png
Notice the unmitigated damage is double when you took it solo? Just because it's possible to mit it solo doesn't change the fact that it is indeed shareable
Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say "If you lb3 when you're in a bad position while there's only 1 tile up... SEE YA!" at the end of superchain 2B? Obviously you don't want to lb3 on a tile that's about to fall cause you'll get animation locked and dropped, but is there some other interaction we need to be careful of?
LB3's that move you, like DRG, monk, DNC will send you off the edge
@@chaoticparadoxx Oh crud, I always assumed those animations were for show and didn't actually temporarily move the player hotbox. Thanks for the response!
@@chickgod2469 Theres a very nice unvoluntary showcase of it from a clip of E9S where a drg lb3's while on an outside tile and drops the person infront of them cuz the lb makes you dash in a line towards the boss x)
@@chickgod2469 Actually MNK doesn't send you off the edge at all. I've done plenty of goofy LB3s where my character floats in midair during the animation
right at the beginning, the tanks invulning the beams CAN take an auto attack, but they have to be mitted with tank CD's and healer stuff. i believe we use rampart, benison and protraction
Dragoon at 10:10 lol.
always diving
Can you play this if you have only cleared the first circle
you need to first clear all the normal fights, finish the questline, speak to the npc to unlock the savage ones, clear P9S, P10S and P11S and then you'll be able to do this fight.
You just have to clear all the normal fights and unlock the savage ones, then you have to find a leader with the acces to P12S to go in, no need for you to kill thoses before but you lost all chance of loot.
No.
U should add timestamp