That Time Mozart Stole Music From The Pope - Music History Crash Course
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- On a trip to Rome, Mozart and his father go see the Tenebrae service at the Sistine chapel to hear the Miserere. Then things get complicated.
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“Kyrie: Orbis factor”
By: Anonymous
Performed By: Westminster Cathedral Choir, Stephen Cleobury
Courtesy of Naxos of America, Inc.
"Miserere"
By: Gregorio Allegri
Performed By: Choir of King's College London
Courtesy of Naxos of America, Inc.
The original music pirate
Still one of the most beautiful masterpieces in the world. I love it, the choirs coming together is the most beautiful thing I heard. Sorry for the bad English, greetings from Belgium
Great channel! Love the info and stories from the classical world!
The level of not just music perception but also fine memory in general that Wolfgang showcased at the age of 14 is something to be expected of a great master with decades of experience. This episode still haunts me, how one kid was able to individually hear 9 voices and thus memorize a 5-6 minute piece on the spot. Honestly I don't think even a great master would be able to do this.
Mozart was called a prodigy for a reason.
You know that meme where there are those choir boys are singing and one has a balloon with helium in it to sing the high notes, I think it might be this song that he singing! 7:15
Yeah!
I looked up whether Mozart was Catholic or Protestant, thinking that he was probably like "Go ahead, excommunicate me, oh no, wait, you can't BUAHAHAHA" but no, he and his family were actually quite observant Catholics. Can't decide if I'm impressed or if I'm mad that Leopold was ok with risking excommunication for his child. Even if it would have been for a dumb reason.
So the pope was like "I'm not even mad. That's amazing!"
Allegri's Miserere actually went through a series of changes. The original version was composed in the 1630s. Even before Mozart wrote it down from memory, it went through some changes (most notably the second half of the first verse, one of the voices transposed up an octave and Aliferi's change on the third verse). The next change was adding some ornaments, possibly in 1771. The current version was born from a mistake made by W. S. Rockstro in 1880.
What a great video!! Thanks!!
Thanks for watching!
Great video, could you show us were you got all this information? Also the miserere is realy great what can i look for to find more of this
If you’re asking where to find the song, just search “gregorio allegri miserere di me”
A favorite for Easter and a One-Hit Wonder.
Mozart was a genius . probably embellished it better than it was
In all musical genres, originals have been adapted and modified. It’s a bit like saying a particular cover of a Dylan song is “better” than the original; or saying that Roxy Music’s cover of Jealous Guy is “better” than John Lennon’s original.
Both the original and cover can be enjoyed separately, on their own merits, without making a subjective judgment that one is “better” than the other.
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This version with the so-called 'secret' notes was written in 1880 and is mostly performed nowadays. With the famous "top C" in the second half of the 4-voice falsobordone, it is published by William Smyth Rockstro in the first edition of the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians (1880). Remembering and transcribing the layout of this formulaic piece was within Mozart's powers, but no Mozart manuscript of the Miserere is known. As far as is known, Mozar 's version was not performed during or after his life. The only references are his dad’s vague letter at the time, and his sister’s recollections 20 years later. It was only after Rocksto's publication in 1880 that the composition became extremely popular.
In Mozart music there is so much harmonies that can destroy most of composers even now , yes I found similarities in here but , it happens to me too when I started composing music in classical style this or even similar music it's just coming to you Firs because of so much information learned years and listening so much classical music , you just can't get rid of it and of course in your composing you will find very similar ideas and this is all about classical music styles my friend , thank you for the video 🤠🎸
I feel like the Vatican is the Area 51 of sacred music back then until Mozart came.
It’s actually not melodic dictation but rather perfect pitch. Few have it. Mozart did, hence his musical genius
Is there any historical sources confirming that Mozart had perfect pitch? I doubt it, melodic dictation seems like the more probable explanation.
@@teodorlontos3294 yes. He would entertain others by determining the pitches of random sounds like a wine glass being tapped.
I have perfect pitch.
A lot of people have perfect pitch. It’s not always accompanied by musical talent.
@@teodorlontos3294he absolutely did. Are you kidding?
One of the many Mozart myths, like the one about him being buried in a pauper’s grave. There were various transcriptions.
Please don’t confuse Mozart’s Miserere with Allegri’s Miserere. They are substantially different, although Mozart may have been influenced by Allegri. already in circulation - fact.
Allegri’s original was simpler in form (closer to Gregorian Chant), lacking the embellishments which appeared in later versions, such as the top C. So, why would the Pope keep it a closely guarded secret?
This type of choral music is part of Catholic heritage and has its roots in the ancient Gregorian Plainchant renditions of the various Old Testament psalms which monks and nuns have chanted throughout the centuries, for the glory of God. In this case, Psalm 51(50), a psalm attributed to King David.
I suspect few non-Catholics would have shown any interest in this type of music in the 17th and 18th centuries, especially as The Age of Enlightenment was unfolding (and some would have actively condemned it).
I am glad that more and more non-Catholics are beginning to appreciate this type of music, not just for the singing, but for the actual meaning of the words.
Hey isn't this the song from that vine where the kid uses helium to make is voice higher.
It is! It was an April fools joke where they perform the song with a helium!
@@JesusChrist-hb4uj Firstly, it's called a 'piece', not a song. Secondly, 'they' are the Choir of King's College, Cambridge
What a madlad...
Name of the song and the section name please
He was truly blessed by God to have the talent and devotion for such an act.
how can I find that same singing of kyrie eleison?
Here after learning about this on Tik Tok for a more elaborate explanation - not disappointed 😊
Mozart dropped a remix!!!😂
Mozart probably stole it for inspiration or an idea to make his music which makes sense to me
Could you possibly do a video about the dies irae
I think that would make a great video. I already have the next few videos planned out but I will start working on the Dies Irae when I can.
Great composers don't borrow---they steal
If a composer stole a piece, then he didn’t compose it. 😒
John williams be like
Learn
Here th-cam.com/video/h6hD8YtO5HI/w-d-xo.html a different story of Miserere of Allegri: no excomunication and no Mozart, sorry.
And here the version of Allegri th-cam.com/video/THU9zfWCUr0/w-d-xo.html .
9:19 is false. As you can hear from the Abs out of the key, the key change is unintentional.... it is mendalsons embellishment for the earlier section. But the magazine editor who published this piece in an article in late 1880s forgot to transposition from c minor down to g minor, and put it in that second section not the first, so it sounds exotic. Mozart’s version would have been more faithful to the original that stays in G minor ... if the story is even true. We here the 1900s version derived from that article ....
I KNEW THIS WAS FROM A MEME!!!!!!! XD
watching from wgs
My brain hurt from not understanding music notes lol
12:00 I’m not a professional and did that too 😱
Phong Nguyen gz
And when he did it from Clementi 😔
What is name orjinal.music ?
Miserere Mei
@@Oddquartet I'm so confused at the question what were they watching lmao
Psalm 51(50), from the Old Testament, translated into Latin, “Miserere mei” (Have mercy on me), traditionally sung in the Catholic Church at Easter.
Unfortunately the Story you tell here is a lie. While it is commonly agreed that Mozart did transcribe Allegri's Miserere, there is no record of a Papal Edict ever being issued by the pope in 1637 and records exist showing that the piece was performed twice in London before Mozart had even head it.Leopold Mozart had a habit of embellishing the truth (or straight-up lying) in order to increase Mozart's fame and so the letter itself is dubious. It is also worth nothing that the embellishments that you spoke of which were "the secrets of the Sistine Chapel" were actually written in by a composer in the 19th century and the famous top C was a musicological error from Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians, 1881, where the Author (WS Rockstro) used two different editions of the Miserere, one of which was transposed up a 4th. Apologies for destroying what is, undoubtedly, a very charming story.
Very true. The composition we hear is a mash up between Mendelssohn and Rockstro.
Aloha, the story is that Beethoven and Mozart never met, because Beethoven’s mother was dying and he was called back when enroute. Is there any evidence that they did meet?
Mahalo
They met in when beethoven was 17 and mozart is 30 to make beethoven a student of mozart beethoven performed one of mozarts work but mozart said no anyone can play that piece play one of yours and beethoven proceeds and mozart goes to the other room and he said watch out for that boy he may give the world something to talk about but after it beethoven's mom is sick and he is forced to go home cancelling of beethoven being a student of mozart
@@KenitplayGamingthat’s a complete myth. No evidence for that whatsoever.
Wow this is interesting fact…
Total nonsense. The Miserere was played publicly in London two years before Mozart’s mythical visit to Sistine Chapel.
So typical of Anglicans, stealing Catholic music.
That church singing is waaaay to long