Nektar CS12 - The Controller You Always Wanted For Logic Pro
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I think I'm in love! 😍 Discover the game-changing Panorama CS12 control surface from @NektarTechnology that's making waves among Logic Pro users.
In today's video, we'll explore every nook and cranny of the CS12, which has been designed specifically for Logic Pro users to provide unparalleled tactile control over your tracks and channel strips. The CS12 promises to make your workflow in Logic Pro more intuitive and efficient than ever before.
Oh...and the CS12 delivers 😎
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00:00 - Intro
1:10 - Full Walkthrough of CS12
6:38 - Setting up CS12 with Logic Pro & Mac
7:44 - Top 5 standout features of CS12 - เพลง
Finaly we are getting back to companies making units for Audio engineers vs controllers for keyboard players that use daws. The fader update for anything you click on is dope!!!!
Consider my mind officially blown. Been waiting for something like this for a looooong time. :)
nice...would love a 16 fader version though.
FINALLY!!!!!
Excited for this product! Thanks so much for this quick, yet thorough review!
Man, I’ve been waiting for a dedicated controller for Logic and surprised one hasn’t happened sooner. I know you can use other controllers and map them in Logic, but none of those have ever been exemplary. This looks great, the automation features alone are huge. Thanks for the video Chris, glad to see continued success for your channel!
As ever, Chris, well done review. I have a CS12 on my desk, and I've not dived deeply into yet. The lack of demonstration videos for it has been something to contend with, so by far yours is the best I've seen so far by a mile. Maybe the Nektar folks can get you to do its video tutorials for the product? (Hint.) Anyway, it really is the controller Logic folks have been waiting for, especially with the stock and third-party mappings that Nektar's been known for (former P4 owner here). It compliments the mouse/trackpad and keyboard shortcuts, and other controllers, well for what it does. It's not perfect (ie,, Smart Controls and single-point automation can be glitchy), but the Nektar folks are on it. Also, a new firmware update just dropped last week and makes that (somewhat) redundant tempo knob more versatile with an additional selection of features. All told, I really do think that Nektar has nailed it. Hope you get to do more videos on the CS12, in the future. Thanks again, man!
With the new firmware just released, you can re-assign the shift+tempo knob to control playhead position, scrub, channel gain and other parameters. Makes it SO much easier.
Yeah a tempo knob is pretty useless so good plan..
This was exactly what I was coming to the comments to say would be the main feature that I would miss. Having a play head position/scrub wheel is essential for me.
damn if they are putting out updates based on community feedback that quick i'm excited to see what's next! I put my order in but they are out of stock so im just waiting....
That’s a great idea. I was thinking I’d be so nervous to accidentally bump the tempo knob without realizing and throw off all the audio files
Yeah this is definitely a buy. Reasonably priced as well, I was expecting such a unit to sell for at least 800 bucks. Hats off to the manufacturer of this gem!
Thank you. I’ve been on the fence about the CS12 vs an SSL UF1. If I liked the UF1, it would get expensive fast with a UC1 and UF8 to follow. I’m giving the CS12 a shot.
Thank you Chris. This is a piece of gear that I need to help me get around my mixes a little quicker.
Thanks a lot for this video! I just ordered one!
This looks like an incredible addition to the ecosystem. I can easily see working with this on the desk for mixing after using the keyboard controller during recording.
What goes around comes around. Still got my beloved Boss BR1180CD multitracker. Replaced with Garage Band then Logic Pro as the versatility and scope and ease of use of a DAW was so much faster, feature rich and intuitive. The BR1180 drove Boss's onboard recording software incl midi based/programmable drummer (I actually prefer that to LP).It handled tracking, mixing and mastering with a range of preset master templates if required. Good array of plugins and FX and allowed burn to CD plus optical output. A truly great piece of kit. This new piece of kit provides all the knobs & buttons of an old HW multitracker. Shame we can't upload pics to YT comments.
All that said, it was really difficult to learn how to use the 1180 without prior understanding of engineering and production and it took me, frankly, years to establish any kind of rudimentary competence. Grasping the fundamentals was a lot easier with a DAW. I might revisit the 1180 and see how much easier it is to drive with the experience of using LP.
This is not a complaint, just a rambling comment re how similar this new kit looks to the old multitracker (though decoupled from the DAW). Also worth noting that I paid about £750 for the 1180 in the very early 00s so equivalent cost in 2024 is roughly £1,300. This Nektar unit at £345 plus eg Logic Pro at $200/ [say]£160 comes in at around £500 so much more accessible.
I’ve been waiting to buy something for my logic… it’s been so good to me now I can give it something in return.
Thanks Chris. Waiting for mine to arrive now.
The single point automation is awesome. I hate messy automation lanes, I usually even clean up my modulation wheel data because I hate all the nodes when I write it. Amazing.
Incredible. Better than anything I’ve seen before.
This is so necessary for LPX!!! Cant wait until the link up with the rest of the DAW community!!!
I’ve had dreams about this. It’s here!
Thanks Chris! Not only is this amazing... I'm hoping a series of these will spring from the CS12. Great video!
Best review so far :)
About the third party plugins, do we know which ones are already mapped? I think they say 'most of the major ones' or something but it sounds vague.
Love your excitement, Chris! This is excellent for Logic, but I spend a lot of time use Komplete Kontrol, Arturia and NKS VSTs and UAD plugins. The new NI S Series controllers offer the best integration for those sound sources plus some Logic control surface features (but no motorized fader). So, what to do? Get a Nektar CS12 and switch back-and-forth? Will there ever be ‘one’ control surface that has midi 2.0 for EVERYTHING?
I didn’t know I needed this until I saw this video 😂👌
I'm not a logic user but, I really appreciate Nektar making such a great device.
More importantly, what brand of USB angle is that!? Nice and thin. Love it. 👍🏿
About time. I love my Nektar lx88+ keyboard.
Great product, great review. Question … is the often used by me “capture record” function included??
Wow! I think i've found my first control surface. Thanks for the video!
iPad remote works just fine
Thank you Chris
I hope there will be a small version with just that fader section. I feel like using the mouse and keyboard/key commands to navigate, while having a tactile feel when adjusting parameters, would be a dream!
wow this something that i didn’t know i wanted 👀
Once this has 8 faders, then I'm in. Looks great!
Came here to say this, please tell me they're working on an 8 fader add on
Facts
Only. 200 more
Awesome!!
Wow. Look fantastic ❤
I am buying this!
It's about time there was a dedicated controller for Logic. Now it would be interesting to build a medium or large format controller console like SSL XL Desk, Matrix, Allen and Heath GSR24M, etc.
Nice piece and great video! Can the unit control non-Logic plugins?
Is it OK not to love this? For the way I work in Logic, this would be a silly toy that would only get in my way. Plus, it would be one more thing on my desk between me and the monitor. But if you love it, by all means, enjoy!
No, it’s not OK
I was thinking this as well. It seems really cool (I wouldn't say silly), but I got my work flow down. Also I wonder how it does with 3rd party plugs.
@@prodbywayneklassik you should watch the video lol
I’m in agreement with you - I don’t need to learn another way of doing things I can do with a mouse already.
Perfect ! I hope they will soon launch and 8 fader sidecar modules
Me too! I suggested on the Nektar video they should update the P1 motorized faders and jog wheel! ❤
You've got to be kidding?! More money I have to squirrel away from my wife without her knowing about it to buy another piece of gear. This is what I've needed since I switched to logic 6 months ago. Wow.
Don't we all have a "Black Ops Budget" for gear? My stock reply if she ever happens to notice the new gear after it's been covertly brought into the house and set up, all packing materials discarded: "Oh this? I've had this for a while." Usually works... Then she buys something spendy for herself that I fail to notice.
Agreed-go on the offensive and say - “ What-you haven’t seen that before? I’ve had it for ages !”
A musicians greatest fear is that, when he dies, his wife sells all his gear for the price he told her he paid for it.
@@Zactivistas long as you two have money for two card board boxes, one to live in and one for gear 😂
It’s fine. Tell her from me that I waited 10 years for this and that this is literally the most justified piece of gear ever. Insta purchase for everyone alive
Great video. I’d love to see a video about using this controller with MainStage as well - does it work for that?
Thanks!
$400. You're welcome.
If all you use is Logic, then it's not bad.
The Cubase CC121 is legendary, does much less and was $500.
The real hero.
@@andesneko FYI the Nektar team is actively integrating cubase to this controller so it will replace the cc121
@@cratediggah That sounds awesome. I am looking forward to that.
The Stream Deck XL does Logic and Live and Cubase and Studio One and Protools ect. ect. ect.for $249
Cubase ECT. It's The successor of P1, which can also do everything immediately without Nektarine Software, but they gave an update to work with Nektarine as well. It will work with Every Major DAW like it was always. Nektar is the only equipment that have working encoders after extensive use over a decade.
Fantastic!! Now if Nektar or any other company could design one with 8 or 16 faders it would be my DREAM!!
omg stoked
Wow! 🔥🔥🔥
That’s awesome
Thank you ✨Coll device🎻🎸🎹
Dope!
Great video! Will the CS-12 work the same way with Logic for iPad, do you know?
This looks great but as a newby i have a question...Isnt Logic Remote a better option?
Fantastic piece of gear! Too bad I can't meet the system requirements without replacing my late 2013 Macbook Pro.
Hi sir, would you recommend this over the Behringer X-Touch? Thanks
Well all of the buttons are easily replaced with keys on the keyboard and for knobs you'll have to look at the display what is mapped to what, so mouse will be faster. Although you can turn two knobs at the same time.
Take my money! That's awesome!
Does it also work for vinrtual instrument plugins? And not only effect plugins?
I had the original P1 and it was great for plugins but it didn't have motorized faders. I dropped it one day cleaning and it shattered, I want the CS12 but its out of STOCK EVERYWHERE!!!
Thanks! 🙂🇨🇦
Just a question that's a little off topic but I was wondering if theres a way for, when stopping playback, logic fades out globally instead of stopping abruptly? Would be nice for it to also fade in. Just a short fade in/out would make long sessions feel a lot better. Waves SSL compressor has a Fade In function but if logic could have it as an option it would be nice. Cheers.
Looks so nice!! 🤤🤤🤤
Can a key or button be assigned to quickly switch to any tool like Pointer / Scissor / Mute, etc?
Would love to have someone speak to this units compatibility with other DAWs - clearly it was designed for Logic but would love to know
As always, clear and concise run through. As I was watching I recalled that you had a video in the past few months lamenting that nobody has leveraged the Logic Pro API. The understated power of Logic Pro never ceases to amaze me.
Please I respect your opinion but it's just not the truth and truth is hidden in the past . I have Logic Pro for PC , I have Camel Alchemy, Path ECT for the PC. It's what Apple bought for Exclusivity but comparison with Cubase from what Logic Pro come to be... that's the truth and everyone who eventually tried Cubase admitted how Cubase is so much more intuitive and workflow is finally quick like it supposed to be. But it's not about equipment and software it's about Artist.
Nice review. Thanks. Is the motorized fader noisy?
A bit but you can disable it. I have it alongside my UF8 and it’s significantly louder (they benchmarked against similar units like the Presonus not the SSL - totally fair given the price point). The CS12 is lightyears ahead on functionality and joy. Phenomenal unit. It really does “just work”. I really hope Nektar expands this product line and looks to source more “pro” quality components.
Can't wait until they release the support for cubase
I hope they bring out expansion this is kinda like the uf1 or x touch one. I hope they bring out 8 or more fader expansion like the uf8
Does the controller also features the Aux Fader Send Mode?
Leaving out scribble strips for each rotary encoder was probably a huge oversight. Wonder what the research data revealed for demand of that feature.
I’m guessing price point. In use, I don’t find this an issue. The color coding helps and it’s not an overwhelming number of knobs to navigate. I would love to see a knobs and sliders only version of this with strips.
Why would you want that feature when each plugin, etc. will have a different knob function?
Where can I buy it? Not showing up on reseller websites.
Got one, it’s boss!
It’s interesting that Nektar chose to integrate directly with the Apple/Logic API instead of leveraging the promises of midi 2.0 😮
Hi! Long time lurker, is it posible to expand with more faders?
Would this work with Logic Pro on iPad? It doesn’t say so on their website.
Can i use it with the new ipad Pro 12.9 7. Gen?
Does anyone know if it can use automation quick access mode? Where the fader becomes the controller for whatever the currently visible automation is? Even cc?
Love everything about it... except price xD xD
Does it work with 3rd party plugins or just Logic ones?
Logic only or can be used also with other daws ?
This thing is great. One thing I noticed, though, is that when I placed the plist file where it told me to, all of my custom presets disappeared? Also, when I load the logic compressor after I added the plist, the threshold option is not available to be adjusted on the CS12 with the knobs. Have you seen these issues?
Open a ticket with support imo. They'll help you with these bugs, and maybe they can iron them out
Very interesting. Do you know how this work together with the Softube Console1? My main concern is using things from 2 different brands, and they not communicate with each other!
I’ve not got this controller, but have used controllers from different brands before in Logic Pro and they all worked as expected, including one being Console One. They tend not to trip over each other.
@@Truth565 hey friend! Thanks a lot for replying to me!
how does it work with Logic Pro for iPad?
does it even make sense to use it in this setup with the iPad being tactile on its own?
even anyone got experiences with this I would love to hear it
It's "technically" for Logic only. The developers already stated that it will be updated for all other DAWs.
I wonder if this device can be daisey chained to other nektar controllers?
Thx! So, all logic plug ins are mapped but any 3rd party plugs, Fab filter, etc., would need to be mapped ?
Nektar have routed the parameters for a lot of 3rd party plugins already, but there are definitely many you would still have to map yourself. I believe most/all Fabfilter and UAD plugins should already be mapped.
How does this device to respond to logic pro where the tracks are not in any numerical order??
How about expression control like with BBC orchestra ?
can you only control effect plugins with it, or can you also control instruments?
anyone?
I have the Panorama P1 and its VERY laggy, then a knob shaft broke and though I can solder in a new rotary encoder no problem, their customer service is non-existent, they just don't want to know, won't talk to me at all.
It’s going to have to be good to beat Logic Remote on iPad.
Logic Remote is not exactly tactile. Sure you touch something, but it's a flat surface that you have to constantly look down to see what you're trying to control. Physical knobs, buttons etc are definitely preferable to a touch surface where everything is the same. That's why Maschine and Push are so popular. They have physical controls which cannot be beat for workflow by a touch surface. If you learn a physical controller well enough, you can practically close your eyes and use it. You can't do that with a touch surface like an iPad.
No mention of how to use with piano roll editor?
Kinda pricey compared to their other stuff.. do the knobs have the same plasticky feel as the ones on the P4 which went gooey on me..
can this work with reason?
Strange question, can it control Logic if Logic is minimized?
how to engage touch / read?
Looks like they saved a bit of money on the display, but this looks very promising!!!
can it map to CUBASE ?
This is so close to perfect but how could they sign off on this without a jog wheel? At the very least allow us to allocate a knob as a jog wheel. I know there is a work-around to jog but it requires 2 hands. This is literally keeping me from buying it or there would already be one on my work station. Brilliant... but short-sighted.
The only thing this controller is missing is a scroll knob for the playhead, I know you can hold down the fast forward button, but that moves so slow in comparison to the scroll wheel on the ssl uf1 or the nanokontrol. Maybe they can make an update that would enable that panner knob to have a secondary function to speed a rook the playhead.
With the new firmware, you can assign the tempo knob to do that.
@@DBPawlan thanks, i was hoping they would come up with an option. Will have to check it out once units are available-they are sold out everywhere!
@@DBPawlan could you tell me the best way to go about setting that up. even if possible , could I assign moving the playhead to the data/menu knob?
@@ncyancy Currently, I don't believe that you can reassign any knob other than the tempo knob globally. Holding down Shift and turning the tempo knob lets you select from different options to reassign it to.
WANT!