Classical Composer Reacts to Holy Wars...The Punishment Due (Megadeth) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 169)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to Holy Wars...The Punishment Due by Megadeth. This song came out in 2001. While I wasn't blown away by this song, I appreciate their subject matter and aesthetic.
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I would say in Dave’s defense, the vocal isn’t really supposed to be melodic. It’s supposed to sound angry.
In fact he is not a singer, he is a guitarrist that sing
He just isn't a good vocalist.
@@hermeslepinski857 But there are many guitar players who can sing, e.g. Brian May, Ritchie Kotzen or Gary Moore.
Angst and cynicism
@@DM-rc4yu Peace Sells has a perfect vocal, and it has nothing to do with how good a *singer* Dave is
Dave actually didn't want to sing cause he said he couldn't really sing but couldn't find a singer so he took on the role. Honestly I love his voice it's different in a sea of same
Well, it's like reacting to Motorhead and saying Lemmy doesn't sing well lol
Sometimes it's not about the technique, but the feels u gave to the song.
heyyyy i love ur pfp 🤭🤭🤭
If I remember correctly, the dude didn’t want to sing but his band members loved his vocals so he finally took the job after he couldn’t find a vocalist.
I need to mention that he likes Ozzy Osbourne’s vocals much than Dave’s😅
R & B maybe is more for Doug.
I'm really disappointed that Doug didn't notice marty's solos, especially the acoustic one
Nor how complex some of those riffs are... harder than a lot of guitarist's solos!
He’s a Metallica fan boy
He's not a guitarist apparently
Flat 5. Metal. Is this New to you dude?
TO ME THE HIS REACTION IS JACKED UP, HE TALKS TO MUCH WHILE THE SONG IS PLAYING, HE DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING NO COMMENTS ON THE SOLOS, HE WAS'NT COOL IN MY OPINION HE SUCKED!!!!!!!
"A little bit better guitar"
As a guitarist, that really jars. The most impressive thing about are the guitar riffs, solos, transitions, rhythm and the whole technicality of the guitar piece. I'm amazed that, even if you didn't like it, you couldn't appreciate it at a purely technical level.
who cares what some jerk thinks. It's just like reading bad movie reviews of Predator.
Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of Megadeth, but Dave's solo was clearly supposed to be chaotic and in a way, a representation of the absolute insanity of war.
This is a nerds' interpretation of one of the sickest metal songs of all time. It makes sense that he wouldn't get it.
he shouldnt have watched the video
This is probably the best thrash metal song of all time. It you don't like it you just aren't a metal fan.
DOUG: Guitars not good enough.
Marty Friedman: WTF?
I agree with you!!!!
LOL!!
Only E?
What about the middle part..?
This is one of the all time classics!
Doug..... You need to review your concepts about this song lol
@@AlexManiacDrunkard definitely, this dude is basically disappointed because a thrash metal song doesn't have the same characteristics a classical piece has, this dude could never listen to punk, it'd drive his classical brain crazy, I thought a "musician" would be able to recognise the differences between genres and types of musics and appreciate them for what they are, not for what they aren't
Mustaine certainly isn't a classically good singer. However, his voice fits the music, more importantly.
He’s just not a good singer at all, by any measure.
The one impressive thing going on for him is how crazy are the arrangements he is playing on guitar while singing something completely different. That is the one big compliment I can give Dave.
@@Jason17300 that's actually a positive in my book, I dont feel as self-conscious and shameful when singing/humming along XD
@@Jason17300 I can't argue that but his voice doesn't usually bother me on their songs since it kinda fits for me...Sort of like early Rush when Geddy's voice was a bit screechy.
@@davek6949 His voice is wrong, just wrong. It doesn't fit the songs, because 1) the songs are a total mess, and 2) he can't sing.
This is a pure metal anthem. The guitar solo is a powerhouse. Dave Mustaine vocals are neutral indeed, but very angry. Goosbumps, everytime.
*listens to one of the greatest thrash metal songs every, performed by arguably some of the best musicians in the genre*
"eh, it was ok"
Lol
lol, you're right ! He can't appreciate this type of music ...
Exactly!!!!
@@katsu395 Oh but he appreciates Metallica when it's on the same note though...(E flat is it? I forget)
@@Krysdavar no, e minor 😉
It's kinda amazing that you overlooked every interesting compositional choice they made because you're looking for key changes, and they didn't do any. Megadeth is not about the harmonic structures. It's about the specific notes, and the timing of those notes. Listen to Marty's solos. how he hits out of key notes and bends them into tune, and then how he will insert a chromatic phrase or abruptly change modes to create instability. Listen to how one iteration of a riff will use 5ths and the next will use major 3rds. They are almost obnoxiously subtle in their choices.
What he said.
I was about to mention the use of regular root-fifth powerchords and root-major third diads in the main riff, but I think that's something that's more obvious to a guitarist than Doug, who plays the piano.
Not key changes? There is at least one in the beginning riff.
@@gymnassfan you beat me to it
Dude, if you already know everything about this song then why bother watching his or any reaction? To hear him say things you already know or things you want to hear? He wasn't impressed with the song, end of story. At least he's honest.
Yea, Thrash Metal as a whole isn't that harmonically complex. It's just not what the genre is about. The sauce is in the rhythms and riffs.
Yup. A drum coach would definitely spend about a week talking about Nick's drumming here, and yeah, thrash is all about those time/tempo changes and sick riffs. You can't approach thrash the way you would a classical piece or a pop song.
I mean, Megadeth is quite melodiously and harnoniously complex for what the genre is. Thing is it's pretty much all disguised in the low notes
Yep, not a genre that is suited for this format
Riffs can have harmony value
@Billy White Jr. agression is an intention .
I think the most impressive part of this song is how Dave is able to sing while playing the verse.
The best Megadeth lineup, Mustaine, Ellefson, Menza and Friedman! One of the best thrash metal you'll ever hear.
Amen brother.. Soo far beyond anything else I've ever heard -- they completely rocked every single time I saw them in concert!!
I absolutely love his vocals on this song. This is a metal masterpiece. I personally love Dave's voice; it's edgy and unique.
Right??? Rust In Peace as a whole is incredible!!!
Affirmative.
Agreed, but he's not into the rage Mustaine used to deliver, not his kind of music, from Rust In Peace to Cryptic Writings they made four masterpieces imo
ME TOO. Dave doesn't sing pretty, but he sings with passion and personality and that counts for A LOT.
If your listening to metal looking for pop music vocals you will be disappointed.
You dislike the vocal part but missed absolutely genius guitar by Marty Friedman. That’s what is this album is glorious for. Tornado of souls is the best metal solo in history, no doubt
Dude shouldn’t even be able to listen to tornado of souls or any other song on the album or by Megadeth in general. He’s not worthy of it. I would love to see him argue with Dave and Marty about the song, bet they would teach him some things.
"A little bit better guitar" - lol, that's the biggest absurd I've ever heard. Marty and Dave are absolutely the most talented players, on top of that you talked through one of the most iconic Marty's solos. Chromatics, arpeggios, dude... Sorry, but for an educated piano player like me this album is a masterpiece (still, unbeatable).
I'de like to see him jam like this
Facts...Rust in Piece is masterpiece
They are lacking skill compared to classical musicians....bur still fire
I agree w.r.t. Marty Friedman. If there was anything for a classical composer to really pick apart it would be Marty's work, IMO. But, I don't think this particular tune was a good selection for this particular channel.
Fact man.
I think Dave's voice goes very well with the music. Couldn't imagine anyone else singing for Megadeth. But if you want melody, great guitar work, and awesome vocal range you need to hear Question of Heaven by Iced Earth.
I always thought Dave's voice was perfect for their sound.
His voice is unique, unlike Doug the critic who is just another voice that could be replaced by any other and not be missed
@@anthonypeterson3112 Dude, just shut up 😂
@@anthonypeterson3112 unique does not mean good though, I love megadeth and they are one of my favorite bands and the band that got me into playing guitar but Dave’s vocals objectively just aren’t good. I can’t imagine any other vocalist working for their sound but that does not mean he is a good vocalist.
@@anthonypeterson3112 agreed. Megadeth including its vocals is exactly as it needs to be ..
@@TheeMissingLinc saw Megadeth 2x and their live sound is one of the best I've ever heard, after Korn who was the best. They sounded better than even Metallica, who were really great.
"And I hate to say it... a little bit better guitar" - With Marty Friedman on the lead? - It doesn't get to be much better than that :D
Take a moment to actually listen to the expressiveness of those solos
The expressiveness of the solos and also the riffs. That creativity is the Graal of most Metal genres
Quite honestly, I don’t think Doug actually listens to the solos during his reactions - he often reaches for his piano and tries to play along with them, when in my opinion they are the parts of the songs that require full attention with no interruption
Well, I suppose it's like that with any other instrument... Sometimes, it just takes a guitarist to fully appreciate a great guitar solo :)
Others can fall asleep :)) But Marty here is one unique player IMO
And to Dave's credit, it's an art in itself to sing anything, and churn out those riffs
Also, hes vocal here just fits the song's message, perfectly
Doug… never did anyone understand so much and so little of metal.
the song selection was unfortunate
Megadeth is a revolutionary band that has broken stereotypes.... Dont expect progressive metal while looking for mustaine... It is thrash pure... He is thrash metal god
Yeah I did think it was wired when he implied that they were prog.
He's pure thrash but still very technical, although admittedly slightly less on this song
@@ayoitscat Yeah like theme or not they and Dave are pure thrash. Their one of the defining bands!
this is progressive thrash/speed metal
This guy is out of his element. One of the best metal songs EVER ...period
I agree. He’s doesn’t understand how perfect Daves voice is for this.
He's also biased. He criticized Holy Wars for riding the E, but when reviewing Blackened (a song that rides the E even more), suddenly riding the E is not a big issue.
Best thrash album ever. He says sharp 4 which is enharmonically correct but in music I think it is always called the flat 5 because the fourth is the " perfect fourth " it is always the same interval in the major scale and every mode of it but lydian.
Agreed
@@fieldsofwickedness There is a reason why they kicked Dave out of Metallica. stop defending his shitty voice.
"I'm not a big fan of the vocals"
Welcome to being a Megadeth fan!
Dave's personality makes up for it though! :D
@@albedo0point39 His vocals grow on u though, pretty sure anyone who listened to Megadeth at first wasnt a huge fan of his vocals, and mainly stayed for the killer drums and riffs. Nonetheless, his voice grows on u, I find myself thoroughly enjoying his vocals in Holy wars, My last words, Tornado of souls, and more :)
@@prathikkannan3324 oh yes, for sure. I had ‘killing’ and ‘peace’ on vinyl when they came out… always preferred Megadeth to Metallica TBH.
Lmao
Maybe for some folks... I don't agree, I like it... but I recognize and accept it's different and some people can not like it.
First off, dude you talked through Marty's clean passage that leads us into Punishment Due, and then during his first solo. Missing out on the brilliance that is Marty Friedman, as for Dave I met him once and he spoke that way too. Which awe struck me 'cuz it was genuine and I'm considered a very angry person.
To be clear. Whole rust in peace album is guitar masterpiece. Marty's solos are stunningly beautiful, complex and fit's to song. Holy wars is metal standard, as are so many other songs from this album.
I cannot for the life of me imagine anyone else being the vocalist for Megadeth. This band is just different, and the guy himself is a genius. You need to look from a different perspective when listening to especially the earlier albums of this band.
How can you not pickup on Marty Friedman’s incredible soloing?
All three are completely insane masterpieces.
Best Megadeth line up. RIP Nick Menza.
Bruh. For me this is not only the best metal song ever written, it is one of the top songs of any type ever written. A total masterpiece!🔥🔥🔥
This song could have been written today. Masterpiece ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
When I saw you were doing this song, my first thought was that it wasn't going to be a positive review from Doug. He just hears things in a much different way. Chord progressions, harmonically rich orchestrations, and Melody. Lastly, he pays attention to the time signatures. While this song is mainly in 4/4, or all In 4/4, it has a lot of quirky rhythmic twists and turns, but that's not what Doug's focus is.
Also, speaking of the vocals, I think James Hetfield said it best. The vocals and thrash metal are not a melodic instrument mainly. They're a rhythmic instrument. Thrash metal guys are always going to get a lot of that. Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, early Metallica, they all treated their voice mainly as another Rhythm instrument with words. Later on in their career a lot of those guys are singing more melodically, but they really didn't worry about Melody too much. Kind of like punk rock.
@@markjohnston3790 Even though, many of the Anthrax songs don't have much melody in the vocals, like in other thrash metal bands. It's not because he can't deliver, he can and he eventually does, but it's the songwriting approach that is different. It's a thrash metal thing really, it's the genre, not the singer.
@@markjohnston3790 Yup. Joey cannot be compared to the other thrash metal vocalists at all. He's more like Bruce Dickinson in that regard. Joey is an actual SINGER, whilst the other guys "just make do" (not that I don't like 'em, but like I said earlier, they cannot be compared to Joey Belladonna).
It might seem strange but I hear the melody in this song !
Appreciate the honesty, too many reaction channels think they dare not dislike anything for fear of losing subscribers or whatever.
Most are fake and act like they have never heard the song before! Doug is the real deal!
@@centaurus5676 There was one classical singer who gave, absolutely, brilliant - by bluntly honest - reviews (in fact, he, probably, gave too much information), and I loved it; unfortunately, he basically, called out Bruce Dickinson for not having the best technique (which, though I love Maiden, is obvious), and was getting death threats for it. I think he quit, which is a shame.
@@JasonSmith-lp6wg Are you talking about Zach? :) He quit because he started getting some real lawsuit treats from a very famous YT vocal couch if I'm not mistaken...
@@daisy9664 Ok, didn't know that. He was getting some pretty aggressive comments, though, from what I remember. Which coach and why?
@@JasonSmith-lp6wg I'm interested too
The riffs, especially the verse while he sings are insane. The slight variation and variety within the intro through the verse was insane. It went unmentioned bc the song stays in E though....cmon brah. There was loads good about this song to talk about. The song is all about the guitar riffs. There's like 17 riffs or somethign insane in there
5:19
"Waaaaaaage the waaaaaaar....."
That vocal line still gives me goosebumps every single time I hear it.
While Mustaine admits himself that he's not a singer, that vocal is perfect for this song.
Btw, the mid section of this song (which begins with that line) is based on the comic book "The Punisher"
"Some people risk to employ me
Some people live to destroy me...."
On videos like this you can tell he's not a guitarist, I love his insight on harmony on songs where that's a main focus, but he always glances over guitar solos and pays little to no attention to what they're doing. With me they're always at the center of my attention when listening to music, hence why I love Megadeth hahaha
Takes a while to get into Dave's voice. He's not a singer he's a deliverer of lyrics and attitude and sometime there's a note in there... Shot the video in a metal walled warehouse in a Texas summer, too hot for shirts!
Yeah they mentioned that in the Rusted Pieces video. They started out fully clothed but they said after a couple hours of shooting it shot up to over 100 degrees in there.
Deliverer of Lyrics and Attitude. Sounds like a tagline he should have on his business cards. :D
He'd probably enjoy some of the songs off of Youthanasia a lot more than this, Dave's vocals as a whole remind me of someone playing a character and I've appreciated it more as times gone on because he sounds like no one else.
@@VegaMyster exactly - he's an actor - if we're measuring theatre then he's as god as Bruce in delivering a story.
Perfect description of Dave’s vocal duties!!
your videos are great... i love this song, it takes me back to middle school and what i was headbanging to back then haha i wish you would talk about the rhythmic aspect and about the DRUMMER more often in your videos... this drummer is so good and so talented... maybe next time haha also... you need to react to PHISH... i'll post some recs...
Megadeth She Wolf live is one of the greatest underrated metal songs of all time. The guitar harmonies are amazing and the drum solo is amazing!
I'm surprised you didn't comment on any of Marty's two guitar solos. He's actually one of the great guitar virtuosos. He does some incredibly interesting things with Melody in his two solos on this song.
He does not understand anything about guitar playing, simple!
Often orchestra fans/players/composers (what ever) are super jealous and critical of guitar players, especially solos. You can just see it on their face.
Marty was everything to me. I loved Dave but Marty was huge.
That sounds killer: th-cam.com/video/vIVxvXdZfO4/w-d-xo.html
Yes it's not a proper review without addressing Marty Friedman. Especially when the review is done by a classical composer. Really is a waste to not recognize his harmonic composition in solos.
The guitarist, Marty Friedman, is actually quite an amazing guitarist. You should make it a point to actually look up some of his work.
Not to mention he was actually in a band with Jason Becker back in the days and played on each other's solo albums.
@@Mountfailmore It was called cacophony, only released 2 albums, but they were great.
@@Morphoidism Yeah I got both on CD. Trying to not overwhelm Doug with too much details lol
Agreed. Jason Beckers other half.. Marty Friedman strangest picking style I have problems with
@@scottykingdavid I think Marty's picking style is more of a take on Gypsy guitar.
I enjoyed your take on this song. My band and I are working on this and let me tell you, it’s very difficult and contains a ton of interesting riffs. I learnt a lot from learn8mg this song. It’s a bit of a masterpiece. 🤘🎸🤘
Dave's got one of those voices that you may not like at 1st, but at some point, some song will pull you in and you become addicted to it.
It's okay if you don't like it Doug. That's the beauty of the show man! Varieties of spice of life everybody.
I think this was not a good proposal and thus the whole reaction is poor. I could've just watch the original video, there's simply no added value from Dough in this video as he does not know what to look for in this kind of music. Compared to Maiden videos, this is dull.
@@FeroVlkolinsky this was not of my choosing my friend. Doug granted my request for Queen and Yngwie I never asked him for Megadeth!
Huge Megadeth fan here, and this is objectively one of the best songs of the classic thrash era. As others have said, thrash was not about melody...Metallica probably brought the most of it, and that's likely the reason they broke through moreso than the others of the era. All that said, thanks for the honesty Doug, I can't stand reaction channels that don't dare to speak truthfully in fear of losing subscribers. Keep on being you sir.
59 years old, and I truly "discovered" thrash metal only about 2 years ago. As I have grown older, my tastes have evolved (to harder music, actually), and thrash really resonates with my soul, for some reason. However, I can appreciate any good music, including classical pieces. But, the bottom line is, musical tastes evolve or change, and this kind of music is an "acquired taste", like coffee, which I hated at first, but to which I am now addicted.
If it wasnt for Dave Mustaine there wouldn't be a Metallica they stole daves music and that was what made Metallica
"thrash was not about melody." Well, that explains why I don't like thrash, then. Props for being honest.
Thrash is loaded with melody - it's just carried by the guitars far more than the vocals.
If you think this song isn't melodic - what would you call the very first riff Dave plays? The triplet melody that Doug mentions over the first riff? Either of Marty's solos, or the riff underneath the second? The "waaaage the waaaaar" riff?
All loaded with melody!
Um... Anthrax?
I’m new to music theory and all that and I appreciate your insightful videos on different forms of music.
Man, I watched some of your other reactions and felt you had some interesting insights, but I feel like in this video you came across very condescending to a heavy metal mainstay (I'm not even a fan of Megadeth really). They've been around for decades, still selling out massive shows around the world and you dismiss this song (easily one of the band's top 3 songs) because of your limited knowledge of the genre. As a composer I would expect you to be analyzing the total package of the song and how it works instead of keying into small areas that you don't like. All I ask is that you look at the entire piece. And a helpful hint? You come off very elitist and prude when you do metal and spend the majority of your reaction figuring out the key. The key is the least interesting part of any piece.
Well-said!!
The more vids I watch, the more I want to have a beer with Doug.
Same!
Herbal tea for me
At the piano, please!
Beer, whiskey, just about anything drinkable would work.
Sounds like Doug needs to make it happen!
Constructive criticism: When analyzing Thrash Metal, focus on the syncopation and not the harmonies.
Talk during the verses, and listen during the solos... that's where the real magic is. Friedman has some incredible links in this tune, and even Mustaine sneaks in one with some insanely fast bends and pull-offs. That's what thrash is about... riffs, drums, and solos
Some comments talk about being honest. I don’t think the point is about being honest, it’s about analyzing the art from the correct perspective. This video is like analyzing a painting by Van Gogh using the academic parameters of his time or having a death metal fan analyzing a slow jazz standard. One needs the correct experience, knowledge and background in the specific field to analyze a piece of art. This song is a masterpiece in its style/genre and all its elements (voice and instruments) serve the song perfectly.
There was the thing that happened in Northern Ireland that forced them to complete their Irish tour in 88/89 in an armoured van and The Punisher
"There's not a lot of melody in the voice" you just described most thrash metal xD
This guy thinks it’s pop 😂
@@Qthetar to be fair, he hasn't been exposed to metal that focuses on rythm, with little to no melody like thrash and death metal...and melody is not something exclusive to pop either...
@@Mantis.Sartinoli but he expects a lot of melody in his voice wtf 🤦♂️. It’s the message of the music, imagine if Justin Bieber singing this song, it wouldn’t fit the song, melody doesn’t make better songs, if something is meant to be a certain way and it’s done masterfully then there is no reason to add stuff that will ruin and make it sound weird. I can’t imagine Iron Maiden singer singing this serious song, it would sound weird and wouldn’t fit the music at all. Also the fact this clown thinks he can play this song in his guitar 😂. It’s a technical albums with advanced rhythms.
@@Qthetar normally in almost any type of music, people would expect melody from a singer...we can argue that Mustaine is no singer because he doesn't really sing, at least not in this song...I agree with you in the fact that no one can sing Megadeth songs but Mustaine, but at the same time you gotta understand that there are many people that don't like his voice and his way of singing...and that's fine, not everyone has to like everything, I know I certainly didn't like Megadeth the first time I heard them because of Mustaine's voice and now I love them and I think his voice is key to their sound. I missed the guitar part you mentioned I guess. And I think that the clown part is unnecessary, the guy's just being honest, he can't please everyone and I'm sure he knows that...
@@Qthetar also, I haven't seen him play guitar but there are plenty of people who can play this song in the world, and that doesn't take merit away from Mustaine or Friedman for composing it and being able to play it...
I think you're missing a lot of the finer points of this song. You're focusing solely on chord analysis, which really isn't the point of thrash metal.
You completely missed how rhythmically complex the song is. You missed the fact that the riffs keep going back and forth between playing fifths and thirds (the latter being really unusual in metal at the time).
Another big point is you keep going on about there not being much melody in the vocals (which I disagree with, I'll agree Dave's timbre isn't for everyone, but the song is plenty melodic), but you talk over both of Marty Friedman's amazingly melodic solos and don't give his very uniquely melodic and vocal-like guitar style a second glance.
I almost get the feeling that you were expecting not to like the song and therefore didn't give it the same attention you do other stuff.
Rhythm is at least as important as harmony and melody, especially in metal, and disregarding it doesn't make for a very interesting analysis.
I usually like your takes in these reaction videos, especially of prog rock and prog metal, but I seriously think you dropped the ball on this one.
Your comment is right on point you nailed it perfectly some people just have a way of breaking things down and when I read your comment I was like yes that's it that's the comment
Get over it. Dave is the most overrated guitar player ever and this dude just exposed him.
@@emarquez8604 How is missing every single aspect about the music but chord analysis "exposing" anything at all?
@@TheAbsorbant he exposed Dave as being boring and one dimensional as a guitar player. Face it Dave is all speed and he still wasn't even the fastest. I'll never forget an interview with napalm death and one of the band memeber was talking about how fast they are and then he looked at the camera and said, "sorry Dave, it's just not fast enough."
@@emarquez8604 Megadeth's riffs were often about unconventional rhythms. Not to mention the fact that Dave used thirds in his power chords in a genre that was all fifths. To then talk over Marty's beautifully crafted melodic solos saying there's no melody shows how clueless Doug is to anything but chord structure. I'm not being a Megadeth fanboi and there are many bands I'd rather listen to, I'm just saying he seriously botched this analysis.
I feel this dude. When I was a teen, I had fun with a game called Band Master. My favorite songs throughout the game are Tornado Souls and Heroes of Our Time. I immediately fell in love with Tornado Souls riff and find it unique. I searched for the song and dude I was very disappointed when I heard the vocals (at this time I am already a fan of Metallica's MOP). I hate it hahaha. Then after a decade, I am proud to say that David Mustaine is now one of my favorite vocalists 😂 I can't stop listening to TS, Holy Wars, and Symphony of Destruction.
I'm a huge megadeth fan and have been for a long time, and also went to school for music and I appreciate your take on the song.
A lot of comments are butt hurt you're not worshipping the song, but I find what you do point out to be very interesting. It's a very unique look into how a classically trained musician hears something he's not very familiar with.
You focus on the concept, lyrics, image choice over sections, key and time signature changes etc where as metal fans focus on song dynamics.
You're allowed not to like music, everyone is. I still find your insight to be very valuable.
It's extremely hard to play this song. Technically, it's incredible. Mustaine's vocals are unusual.
This guy talks the entire song, you can't comment a song if you don't listen to it.
Hard to listen to also
Bruh I can't believe anyone can play and sing this at the same time. It's nuts
@@rusherdasher8826 i know......insane.
@@rgp1973ar I agree dave mustaine should leave Megadeth and join the opera
Interesting that you don't seem to be able to appreciate the song for what it is. I mean, I've been blessed to have had the opportunity to have had a dinner at one of the most exclusive restaurants in New York City and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but at the same time I am still able to thoroughly enjoy a simple burger and fries. And its the same for me with music - I enjoy this song as well as songs that are infinitely simpler and more complex.
The guitar parts are pure diamond here. The quality here is not in the macro structure, but in the details.
This is why music is so amazing. There is a different kind for every taste out there. This is among my top favorites. It does something to my emotions that had a huge impact on me at a young age. Been playing guitar for 20ys now. I love ALL music. But my heart is always metal. 🤘
The honesty goes a long way. Biggest turnoff for a reaction channel is when the reactor is in love with every single song they hear. I love Holy Wars (though I am not the biggest fan of Megadeth as a whole), but I can understand it not being for everyone
Agreed!
A lot reaction videos are just fake. Most of the people have heard the songs before, but then they act surprised to get a positive reaction from the viewer. There's that hip hop guy who's always freaking out to every metal song like he just discovered a cure to save the world. Doug knows what he's talking about and he says what he thinks, not acting and faking around.
Thrash as a genre is not for everyone - as well as any other extreme metal subgenre (which thrash was first in the line of many). They all possess their own riffing styles, drumming styles and especially vocal styles. All of that creates a subgenre. If you expect melodic singing - no extreme subgenre will fit your ear. Dough as a classical music lover is not going to appreciate music whose main purpose is to be fast and aggressive. He's always looking for the classical harmonies and changing keys - thrash is simply not the genre using these techiques alot. You'll gonna hear a whole lot of open E 16th notes all over the genre, which is just boring for Dough and I understand why. One really needs to find its way to this kind of music or skip it completely. I remember very well how much I hated the early death metal and even most of simplistic thrash over Maiden back in 80s, I always found love with these genres when most techically skilled bands caught my ear - and Megadeth was my way into thrash with So far, so good ... so what?
The highlight of the album was really Marty Friedman, the guy who did the two guitar solos. He wrote some fantastic stuff on Rust in Peace. Tornado of Souls, Five Magics, Hangar 18, and Lucretia are my personal favorites off the album.
No, he wasn't. Mustane wrote most of the album and Elfman wrote the rest. Both were writing good songs before Friedman joined in, and even though Megadepth declined (as do most metal bands), some ok song writing still happens while Friedman became a clown.
@@sophiaperennis2360 Danny Elfman didn't play in Megadeth. I think you're confusing him with the bass player, Dave Ellefson. ;)
Agreed! 👍
Marty just wrote the solos, the album was completely done when he joined. Of course hes one of the reasons why Rust in Peace is so great, but if he hadn't joined the band I believe the album would have the same impact even with another guitarist like Chris Poland or Dimebag.
The songs were written before Marty was hired. He had to learn the songs to lay down the tracks for recording but everything was written on that album before he joined Megadeth. Marty actually had a tryout scheduled with Madonna but tried out for Megadeth just before that tryout was and got hired for Megadeth.
Wow. I have always found this song one of the most moving, powerful, emotional, and musically interesting I have ever listened to. Certainly one of the best from Megadeth and metal in general. I just don't understand how one so-called musical professional can have one strong take on this song, and another, just the opposite. Oh, well... each to his own. I will continue to rock on!
I remember buying this cassette tape. I was a Metallica guy. I wanted to not like it but I loved it. Yes people want the power in their music . I still do and I’m 53 now
Yep, had the tqe worn out Soo quickly, had to finally get the CD, a couple of times..
The current Megadeath guitarrist is Kiko Loureiro, he started his career with the Brazilian band Angra playing a mixture of power metal, classical and Brazilian music, a song that I recommend hearing from Angra is Holy Land from the album with the same title.
One of the greatest metal songs, IMO. Mustaine's vocals are an acquired taste.
This is one of the key albums of metal music in the 80's-90's, incredibly influential to almost all metal guitarists. Marty Friedman really did something unique on the leads of this album (perhaps better shown in some other songs). He had a lot of japanese influences growing up in Hawaii and playing more folkish music. He combined those ideas with the angry metal base and his very interesting rhythmic flows on guitar, it's really rare to hear someone play guitar like that. I recall his style emulated some other instrument in that style of music he listened to, I just forget which.
Regarding Dave's voice, it's like most metal bands: didn't have a vocalist, had to do it yourself. I guess a lot of it is also how difficult the riffs are to play so even if he was a good singer, he was limited in what you can pull off doing at the same time. It's 100% an acquired taste. You have to fall in love with the music and then your Stockholm syndrome gets strong enough that the vocals just belong in the songs like that. They're not good but they belong there and it wouldn't be the same done another way.
I think you should maybe do A Tout Le Monde by Megadeth, give them another chance and see a completely different face. After those most intense energetic youth years, going from political commentary and anger to loss and saying goodbyes to loved ones. You might find it worlds more interesting in every measure. Composition, performance and vocalwise. It's emotional and even has acoustic guitar. There's also a later rerecorded version in different tuning and a female vocalist (amazing vocalist too, Christina Scabbia).
Come on Doug! I'm a new subscriber to your channel only a couple of months ago I love everything that I watch so far you break a lot of insight into the music for a non-musician like myself. I've been a music lover my whole life I took a guitar lessons when I was a little kid just didn't have the knack for it even though I loved it Dave's voice is Fantastic for the type of music that they play that song Holy Wars is fast can't keep my foot from keeping the beat it rocks.
Dave Mustaine will be the first to tell you, he's not a vocalist.
No he'll be the first to tell you he IS a vocalist, not a singer.
@@astro2691 yep - language/definition is important here.
Yet it still fits. Plenty of metal singers are not fantastic singers, but their voice works. Heck, I don’t think Ozzy is that great(in the singing way), but he knows how to use his voice perfectly. Love his artistry. Tom Araya never “sings”, but he is perfect for Slayer.
@@joelmacdonald6994 Ozzy is ok. He knows what he can and cannot do. He has some iconic qualities. That downward vocal slide like you hear in Mr. Crowley for example. His other major quality is his structuring. While he doesn't write many of the songs or music, he knows how to restructure them for his style and best effects... Your point is well taken regarding Dave and Tom too for that matter.
@@m.vondrake5534 being a vocalist first is something that some can’t manage. They try to sing, but it just doesn’t fit. Both have their place. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I love Myles with Alter Bridge, can’t stand him with Slash(save for a few songs). His cover of The Trooper was great. The guy can sing like hell, but he doesn’t always get it right.
Director: "alright guys. Lose the shirts. This is serious business."
On the home video they said it was filmed in an airplane hangar and was over 100 degrees in there. Marty or nick drank one of those huge jugs of Gatorade and didn't piss once, according to dave
@@herculesbrofister265 it was Nick
I guess they needa sell Skinny Jeans and Baby Oil
"Fast notes... not going anywhere." That describes all of Dave's guitar solos lol. But he always has a great secondary guitar player to back him up, and his riffs are killer.
not going anywhere?? when i first heard last daves solo i tought i would have an orgasm
Man playing this great riffs and sing at the same time... good luck.
I can understand your point. However i disagree about the vocals, i think his voice fits the music and the themes.
Maybe give them another shot or two?
I respect that you keep it real and don’t sugar coat your thoughts. I can totally see why this song doesn’t do much for you. From a guitarists point of view, the rhythm playing and Marty’s solos are nothing short of incredible and they’re considered legendary licks in the metal world. Try to pay more attention to the way Marty phrases and bends his notes during solos. He’s one of a kind.
I love Marty's stuff but I'd also like to point out that in my opinion Chris Poland is actually really really good too. He's definitely got a different style but the way his solos on the second album just seem to "flow" to smoothly is pretty cool.
That sounds killer: th-cam.com/video/vIVxvXdZfO4/w-d-xo.html
You said it better than I could.
His judgement is clouded by personal prejudice and Metallica bias. Simple
@@alangregg5520 his judgment is based off him being a classical composer lmao
Well, they had a guy set to audition for the lead vocalist, but he never showed up, so Dave said "fuck it. I'll sing."
He definitely doesn't have to range and dynamics of most vocalists, but I can't imagine anyone but Dave singing for Megadeth.
He will grow on you.
But as far as guitar, personally I think Dave and Marty were definitely the best in the business at that time.
This was the ultimate Megadeth lineup.
With Nick Menza on drums, Dave Ellefson on bass Marty Friedman on lead guitar, and Dave Mustaine on rhythm/and lead guitar and vocals!
The fucking best!
Say what you will about Dave's vocals, but also remember that he is shredding the hell out of the guitar at the same time.
I still have a hard time playing and singing old Johnny Cash tunes. Singing while playing guitar, that shit is not easy. And yes, I suck.
Maybe one dad throw that motherfucker in the firepit. But not today. Today, I still believe!
Be safe out there people!!!
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FUCK RUSSIA!!!
This is not only one of Megadeth's best songs, this is a top 10 all time metal song. I've always described this song as "thoughtful". Yeah it's fast and in your face, but it's musical complexity is just amazing.
This song has so many subtle and unconventional techniques on guitar that really make it. Small details of harmonics places in riffs, the syncopation of notes, etc, not to mention Marty being one of the most harmonically advanced guitarists in metal at the time, managing to make Dave’s relatively static riffs have flow and emotion over them.
...and RIP for Nick Menza. He was so underrated.
one of the best ever
And there’s underrated guy
I like the angry sound of Dave and his growls. Totally unique.
Dear Doug, you are an inspiration for every metalhead as well!
Appreciate the reaction, Doug. Very refreshing to hear you dislike things instead of dishing out constant praise as some other YT creators do. Megadeth and other thrash bands have always been about aggression and energy rather than melody, and while I like that, I can completely understand why others might not.
This track is about rythm, not melody. However I must point out that Dave wrote beautiful harmonics in his later works like Youthanasia or Countdown to Extinction albums.
Yeah, songs like A tout le Monde and Trust are pretty melodic
Youthanasia is so criminally underrated as an album.
@@Brooklyn_Ann which is Dave's personal favourite one.
Doug will never understand. He's not one of us. He never will be. He's from an entirely different world. Many of us came from broken homes. Alcoholic or drug addicted parents. Abuse survivors with anger issues. Thrash metal spoke to us. It does not speak to Doug.
This is true but also I think anyone with an ear for music would say this is a very good song at the lowest. This guy is very biased and talks of metal as if it’s orchestra music. Talks over best parts of the song, says it’s not melodic, says the guitar isn’t good, says the singing isn’t good, genuinely isn’t interested. This guy is just a narcissist, unable to look at things from other perspectives. I don’t think anyone should really take his word on if a song is good or not. It’s like a boxing coach criticizing an mma match because he doesn’t understand takedowns, submissions, ground and pound, elbows, knees, kicks. This is literally the only review of this song I’ve seen on TH-cam that was negative.
Doug has some bad takes in the video, but please get over yourself
@@Digital_PeterGriffin Says the hypocrite
@@abebrazil4309
"This is literally the only review of this song I've seen on TH-cam that was negative."
That's because Doug has built his channel on being authentic rather than pandering to people that just want everyone to think their favorite songs are all sunshine and rainbows like you.
I love seeing all of the pretentious Megadeth fans in the comments here trying to convince themselves that the band is somehow beyond Doug's understanding of music. Megadeth has always catered to kind of a niche crowd within the metal community, and they've never really been a band that transcends those boundaries despite trying to in the 90s. It is what it is, Doug doesn't like it and doesn't have to.
@@mattvogler3844 “Megadeth saved me 😫. You guys just don’t get it like I do 😖😫”
you nailed it that is why i never really was into Megadeth , the fast guitars and riffs are really good but for me that was it , i never did a big though about why was like that, but now that i hear you i know why ,good review love it
I figured that he wouldn't like this. He would probably like or appreciate some deeper cuts more like Good Mourning/Black Friday, Bad Omen, In My Darkest Hour, Captive honor, etc
Oh man, sad that in my darkest hour is a deep cut, I think that's my favorite song by megadeth.
we need Change of Seasons by DT, 23 mins you know what that means when DT does that... ;)
exactly
Great song.
Both versions!
I'd even make a "caipirinha" to watch that reaction
He should make all Fridays DT Fridays. Would be the best way to start the weekend.
One of the best metal song ever
It’s all about the message and the cool guitar stuff. Dave is the man! Still killing it riff wise in 2023
Wow. There's something surreal about a metal masterpiece like that just flying over someone's head like that...
Amazing. You could be musically literate but not esthetically inclined to the art of music. Are we all idiots, thinking this is a masterpiece? You have to step out of the orchestra pit and into the mosh pit to appreciate this. It is not Neanderthal either though it is aggression through the esthetics of heavy, fast, and distorted sounds. Dissonance and gruff vocals sell the sensibility of angst, while clear vocals would only be reflective. To be a fan of realism and then review impressionist art takes a sensibility that some art connoisseurs don’t posses. Monet sucks because he used basic markings without extreme precision or detail is a criticism that falls embarrassingly flat. Don’t tell me about “only staying in the key of E”, when you have all this brilliance going on. It’s nice to be honest with your own perspective, but “I really don’t mind if you sit this one out.” Good channel though.
Spot on, brother. I wish I could've said what you just said.
Extreme metal is not everyone's cup of tea or coffee, whatever their preference.
Doug is a connoisseur of harmonies and melodies. He does not understand the complexities involved in heavy music. Like I remember him liking the acoustic version of Demon of the Fall by Opeth while his reaction for the original studio version was bland. He was instantly put off by the heavy guitars and of course the growls.
But then again we should not blame him. The same thing would happen to us (metal lovers) if we had to react to most modern pop music.
@@sayanmandal2246 I understand what you are saying and I didn’t mean to offend, so much as to put him in check. He directed some potent critical reviews toward Mustaine and megadeth. I felt it to be a disrespectful. Famous people should not be targets for flippant statements regarding their livelihood, nor should anyone else. He has influence on people as he claims musical expertise. We have to be careful with our opinions and very capable of stepping out of our bounds to wheel our expertise.
@@metalpractor5150 meh, not really. People will like or dislike megadeth regardless of what Doug thinks lol
@@metalpractor5150 No no brother. I wasn't offended. I actually agree with you. And your point about his influence on people is true. His words will negatively influence the people who are getting into Megadeth and thrash metal in general. But yes, Doug should have been more sensible and used better statements. He was too judgemental imo.
Thee best two minutes of any track. What an opening phase.
You are a genius my friend. Excellent
I’m a Megadeth fan, and one of the biggest reasons is because I was a fan of Marty Friedman before he joined. Marty’s solos on Rust are great. His solo on Lucretia is probably my favorite.
Since you mentionned the modeling for skinny jeans without the money, here's a fun fact : In the late 80's and early 90's, when those thrash metal bands started to appear on the cover of magazines, shoes companys noticed that they all wore old shoes so they decided to send them free new shoes. That's why you seen a lot of these bands wearing old t-shirts and old jeans but brand new withe shoes 😉
thats really cool actually omg
Give this and the whole album a listen a few times and it will grow on you. first tornado of souls was my favourite. now it's this one. its just the groove.. it's just so addicting and the solos are from another World.
You have no idea how difficult it is to sing at that tempo and play the guitar accurately at the same time.
Can't believe someone would be some ambivalent about one of the greatest songs of all time. From the moment I heard it 30 years until now, a song of the highest quality.
Can't believe someone would assume it's "fact" that this is one of the greatest songs of all time.
Not even one of the greatest Megadeth songs. Cool jam though
So surprised you didn't point out the middle eastern transition on the guitar. Not something you expect to hear in metal. Would have loved to hear your thoughts on it's use in this song.
Aren't middle eastern transitions pretty standard in thrash?
@@chickenman7252 Egyptian style progressions are pretty popular especially with iron maiden songs and heavy metal but it's still incredible putting aside from the fact it's not even a sitar or instrument you might expect it's an electric guitar producing that sound it's an incredibly challenging piece that many classical guitarists might find challenging. Extremely impressive, and surely not standard
He was too busy talking and hating on clothing
He probably didn't hear it while talking over it.
This whole album is an utter masterpiece. I personally love Hangar 18 and Tornado more, but RIP is untouchable.
Marty Friedman (the lead guitarist here) was the co-member of Cacophony, a band formed with Jason Becker!
Even though my friends and I were Megadeth fans when this album came out we would often make fun of Dave's singing by clenching our teeth together and singing while trying to minimize our teeth movement as much as possible. It generally produced a similar style of singing to what Dave does here. He does get better at that in the later albums but his singing ability was definitely not something they really seemed to focus on in the earlier albums. It was more about the musicality and dexterity involved in the performance.
We did exactly the same :D - called him Dave "The Clenched Teeth". But the barking vocal style is the definition of thrash, which only few dare to break (Annihilator, some Anthrax etc.). Real singing (usually very poorly performed) was a sign of "sellout" and music usually turned to something less aggressive too.
Dave stills sings and sounds like Dave on Megadeth's music, unlike James Hetfield who changed his style and can't even sing many of Metallica's early stuff.
Maybe thrash is the wrong subgenre to analyse, it's about speed, rhythm and brutality not about melody and harmonies!
Yes, Thrash Metal as a whole, isn't very harmonically complex. Some bands play more melodic though. Metalheads listen to Thrash for the reasons that you mentioned. However Progressive Thrash Metal could be harmonically and rhythmically more complex. Perhaps Doug should react to it but I doubt it. Not many people would request bands like: Voivod, Artillery, Coroner, Toxik, Realm, etc...
I honestly love his voice, it just has so much emotion
One of the best songs ever in my opinion!!