Lost IHOP-KC Report Found: Mike Bickle Guts The Gospel with Repentance Heresy Says Long-Term Member
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- I Prayed for 1500 Hours in the Prayer Room Then This Happened…
A very personal story of how Mike Bickle makes young people religious and weak instead of spiritual and powerful
A 5,000-word well-written report now available for the first time in a narrated 30-minute presentation. This is one of the most thoughtful and insightful presentations by a former IHOP member you may ever find, and it's particularly relevant again, ten years later, as Bickle's personal views on repentance are a topic of discussion. It was written by a very articulate teacher, and it's not a rant, so it's easy to listen to.
Excerpts
"My friend was touching on something deeply disturbing. Despite all the time I had spent in the prayer room-about 1500 hours over six years-and despite all the FCF services I had attended, the Encounter God Services, the conferences, and the hours at the Awakening, I was not experiencing daily deliverance from sin."
"For so long in my life, and very soon after my involvement with IHOP, 'change' meant doing religious things more: reading my Bible, praying, and fasting. In a couple of those disciplines, I was 'changing.' However, the 'change' my friend was talking about was very different. It was the change that happens in a person when Christ delivers him from sin and empowers him to walk free from it."
"When teaching about false teachers, Jesus said, 'By their fruit you will know them.' I was the fruit of Mike Bickle's teaching, and I wasn't very good."
"Bickle was saying, 'Sin is not rebellion against God, it's only a sign of immaturity. We can run to God to experience His mercy in our time of need instead of expecting to be crushed.'
"For a young believer, mostly unacquainted with the gospel and the power contained in it for holiness, this message was as powerful as any I've ever heard. It was the promise of freedom from sin and intimacy with God without shame. All I needed to do was run to God when I sinned, pour out my heart to Him, and He would accept me.
"That night something profoundly evil happened in my understanding of sin. The conviction associated with sin, the conviction that led me to repentance and true freedom, was replaced by a delusion that sin wasn't that big of a deal.
"Instead of sin being the manifestation of a rebellious flesh, and worthy of judgement on the Cross, it became merely the by-product of immaturity. At that moment, while listening to Bickle, the massive, crushing weight of conviction was lifted off my shoulders. But it had not been lifted by Christ.
"Instead, the Cross was taken out of the equation, replaced by a God whose character was so loving and merciful that He eclipsed sin's destructive power by the sheer force of His desire for humanity.
"A new method of repentance was introduced, which was not repentance at all."
TLDR: Mike Bickle and IHOP-KC offer intimacy with God without genuine repentance and obedience to Christ, who said, "You are My friends if you do what I command" (John 15 : 14-16).
Agreed 100%. The message of the cross is missing at IHOP.
Thank you! You know even if you didn’t go to IHOP or believe Bickles teachings this is rampant throughout today’s churches! It’s all about experience and not about true godly sorrow in repentance. I pray that this letter reaches many and can find their way back to Christ and His true Gospel!
I agree. Came here to say this. This isn't unique to IHOP. This is mainstream western Christianity.
@@lisaphillips7038 🎯💯
@@lisaphillips7038 Yes, sad and disgusting.
Yes, you are so right, we as Gods people have worshipped a god of our own making, our own comfort
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One of the first RED FLAGS that one is to know is this, Mike talks about the "prophecy" he received from God, saying, "I will change the expression of Christianity in one generation." Right there, without being specific, he is allowing himself license to make up any heresy he desires and have people follow him in awe... I mean, just think about it for a second. His theology and behavior reflect his own heart, not God's.
If there's any change we need, as God's People is repentence. The Bible is simple. Do it and live. The Gospel is simple. Signs and wonders followed THE GOSPEL. We are here to preach Christ and stand on GODS simple word until He comes back. Simple.
@user-vd2ph7rg9f Exactly, and like it says in Matthew 16:4, a wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Now, that's prophetic right there! These people are obsessed with signs and wonders, but their fruit is corruption.
Isn’t that what Joseph Smith did to start the Mormons?
@susanking5008 Yes!!! That's how all cults and fake religions are started. A moron who claims God speaks to him and makes up false theology. He is a narcissistic (charismatic), popular, self-appointed apostle.
Yes, disgusting and horrific.
This was a profound testimony and ended on a very sobering note. Truth! This is truth hardly ever preached! Thanks again for posting it!
This is excellent. I too was deceived by false teaching and the striving of works. But Jesus has set me free by turning from my sin and turning to Him.
Wow, this is a VERY powerful testimony / explanation
Wow! What an insightful analysis of what happens from false teaching and the power of manipulative music “worship”. I’ve been hearing people describe Mike as someone who loves God. But the definition of loving God is based on their passionate worship and their fasting and prayer. It is all about those manufactured works and causes people to close their eyes to what should have been obvious sin.
Absolutely true. Thanx for sharing
I really love, how nuanced your take is. I have a similar story of transitioning out of a cultlike small church after strong spiritual abuse and i've seen so many strong, destructive emotions in myself and others against the church or specific streams in Christianity that often the nuance is lost and all is black or white. It seems like you really retained your head and soft heart in this all and thats beautiful to see. Bless you and thank you
This nails it as to why we will never hear MB repent, nor the IHOPKC organization, as they are just too special, too loved and all that is wrong is they are just immature. REALLY REALY SAD!!
Thank you for sharing this. I’ve tried to explain this to so many people concerning how comfortable being in the NAR made me with sin. They won’t hear it, but today I can hear it and that gives me the peace that comes only with the assurance through faith alone in grace alone through Christ alone. Only Christ could open my eyes to this and I’m thankful that over a decade ago He began to lead me out of this deceptive false gospel of works. Only then did I finally begin to change. It is and was testimony like this that God used to help me see, thank you for sharing this again.
I am so grateful I clicked on this post today. Thank you for transparency and for the truth, the only thing that sets us free. I too have been down this road of religion. I see it clearly in hindsight. What you said about being angry at others for not accepting your correction or rebuke, hit home for sure. Thank you again, this is so appreciated
THANK YOU for posting this! Powerful!
This was a good presentation by the author.
Once corrupt leadership not biblically qualified for office is purged there are questions that remain.
1 - Is 24 hour prayer, the way it's being done, really a movement from and glorifying to our Lord?
Or ... is it a failed movement based on a false prophecy from a false prophet?
2- Is IhopU really a good idea? Is it really equipping people for ministry in life?
Or is at academically weak or worse, curriculum centered around bad ideas from a false prophet?
I don't doubt the sincerity, good intentions and love for our Lord from young people who spend time in the prayer room or at the "University".
Would these people be better off going to a proper Bible College, or a seminary for those who would qualify and for those who don't would they be better off going to junior colleges and Vocational training while living in a proper Christian fellowship who spread the gospel, teach and follow good doctrine as they love each other as an assembly?
I'm surprised they didn't take David Pawson's teaching to heart. He was very clear on sin and repentance.
My life was changed by David Paulsons teaching. So glad you mentioned him. It's not legalism to work out your salvation daily. It's truly learning the HOLINESS of God. And His Kindness and Gentleness to make it CLEAR.
@@laurareed2614 I’ve listened to all of his talks. I know all of his jokes. I like to revisit his talks every year or so. A lovely man.
This is revealing and insightful! Thank you!
🧐😲😳🤯 It just keeps getting deeper, worse & worse! Ugh.
This helped me understand why MB seems to take sin so lightly. He believes that sin is due to immaturity rather than rebellion in a Christian (as opposed to a non-Christian), and that therefore, God sees the same sin differently when it is done by a Christian. Really strange teaching and doctrine.
His life illustrates where that doctrine leads. Sad, because MB was blessed with much, yet chose to let his flesh rule his life. He excused his sin rather than seeing how rebellious and filthy it is. He did not see how his sin was crucifying Christ. He did not respect the Holiness of God.
I pray that whatever he is experiencing now can get through to him to change his heart. I am sure God can still use him in some way, although public ministry or leadership over others are not good options for many reasons.
A Bible Teacher friend defines an idol as “anything that keeps me from the Cross”.
Only goes to show how true the word of God is:
“If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)-in accordance with the commandments and teachings of man? These are matters which do have the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and humility and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.” (Colossians 2:20-23)
When even good things such as worship, prayer, , take the place of Jesus and His Cross, they become idols. And idols can only have the “appearance of wisdom” and “self-made religion”. They are incapable of helping a person to change.
Excellent
I wasn’t going to listen until the end. But then I did.
Sin is sin…whether one is a Christian or a non Christian!!!
I keep hearing people talking about “Mike Bickle notes”, what is this about? Sounds like people in this cult leaned on what Mike Bickle said and not the Bible. Hopefully this is all getting shut down. Everything, the Forerunner church, Forerunner music, coffee shop, bridegroom room, prayer room…no utube videos with Mike Bickel nonsense, I don’t know how anyone could listen to him or any of these people.
Thank you! I had nonidea what the eoot was in Mikes Failure. You nailed it. JD said he would get her tobread ps 51 out loud & repent after a fleshly encounter as if that cleared them to repeat the behavior
What IS “sin”??? 1John3:4 tells us: Sin IS the transgression of the law…..but then if “the law has been done away with” we are just left with man’s definitions for sin🫣😢….it’s a slippery slide into all kinds of justifications & rationalizations! Mercy Father🙏 Thank You for exposing the lies, and unveiling YOUR TRUTH🙌🙏
While, this person is spot on, revealing the deception and danger in emotionalism and the cult-like characteristics that any church groups can fall into, I think it’s important to keep in mind that it is safe to define sin as anything that is unloving. Jesus said if we love our neighbor as ourself, we are fulfilling the entire law. (And I agree that the fruit of the spirit signifies our growth - and a the result as being “saved from our sin”
Mike did not love his neighbor. - he manipulated - he deceived he used for his own personal gain, and that is NOT love. To say the least.
@@aliciamock1503 @Spirit-Truth53 But unloving according to who? I'm sure you mean according to God's standard. But there are plenty of people who say that teaching the truth of the Bible is unloving... We don't have to guess about what sin is under the New Covenant, or just define it as being unloving and leave it up to people's own definitions to figure out what that includes. Scripture makes it very clear. The New Testament reaffirms that believers are still to follow the all moral laws of God as we follow Jesus as our Lord as well as Savior - though we're set free from the civil and ceremonial laws of Moses. These moral laws that were formerly written on stone, were taken to an even higher and deeper standard through Jesus - all the way to the heart level - where they are now to be written within us. You mentioned that the entire law is fulfilled in loving our neighbor as ourselves, but that's only half of the what Jesus said. The other half is loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, strength. It takes both of these parts to comprise what Scripture refers to as "the law of Christ" - which encompasses all the moral laws of God. Paul said that we are not "lawless" - which is the mistake that many make when Scripture says we're no longer under the law of Moses. He said that we're bound to the law of Christ. Jesus and John made clear that those who continue to practice sin (violating the moral laws of God) are not truly born again, but are still children of the devil. We were warned repeatedly in the NT not to be deceived by these grace heresies that try to make people tolerant of sin. It's really tragic that Mike B was deceived and was deceiving so many others.
Hope this blog will be helpful for more in depth about this - laurasblog.edenreign.net/proph/the-spirit-of-a-magician-and-apostasy-part-1/
can we have a link to the original document ?
Reading, praying and fasting is "religous works"? It looks like people in the Bible did exactly that.
If you are saying Bickle’s teaching is false, are you not also implicating Allen and Dwayne and Dana and every other IHOP teacher from the past 20 or so years?
Who wrote this?
So we might decide if he has “changed”.
If you are a believer you are:
-Clothed in Christ’s righteousness.
-Baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ
-Joint Heir with Christ
-Of a Royal Priesthood
-Sanctified
-Set Apart
-a Son of God and Loved by your Father
Imagine being told you are loved by God as a believer and thinking it’s a false teaching…
Amen, when we accept Christ, we become a NEW CREATION. We stumble sometimes and sin, whether the "sin of commission or omission (disobedience)," as we still live in the flesh. But if one cannot stop sinning, inner healing/deliverance with an experienced team along with a good aftercare program can reveal and bring about real victory and teach us to see the initial lies that led us to entertain thoughts and carry out disobedience. We must repent, renounce, and receive forgiveness. Oftentimes, we may not even understand something is a sin and continue in it blinded and deceived. Good mentoring/discipleship provides us with having someone in our lives who loves us enough to risk rejection by telling us the truth about something we are doing or not doing, that is hurting us, just like Christ modeled.
Another Megachurch pastor bites the dust. Money and power totally corrupt when one claims to be a follower of a poor first century carpenter!
The first 'person' speaking on this vid says for years he thought things were OK at IHOP. This goes to show He was spending more time listening to someone else, rather than taking the time in study,worship and prayer to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying. Paul to the Ephesians in Chapter 4 clearly says the 5 fold is to equip the believers, who are the ones who should be building up the body. We are not to sit with gaping mouths like baby birds warting to be fed. Paul also explains in Cor. that when we come together each one of us is supposed to contribute with a psalm, a hymn, a word from the LORD. When was the last time you saw that happening. If we want to claim we are victims of pastors, I would submit the pastors are victims of lazy pew warmers, who don't take the time in study, worship and prayer listening for the Holy Spirit so they can add to the growth of the Church. When Paul said all may prophesy, he meant each one of us is capable of bringing an inspired word from God, it was not meant to become the Christian version of fortunetelling prophecy has become today. Pastors are only a small part of the problem, lazy, non committed pew warmers are the real problem. There would not be mediocracy in the pulpit if first it wasn't in the pew.
So you had massive sin in your life before you were involved with Bickle? So were you not already deceived? How did IHOP deceive you if you were in massive sin before you knew them?
Since you left IHOP are you now an overcomer? Sounds confusing.
I have a ton of disagreement with this particular statement or testimony. What does your daily walk with God look like? Do you not believe walking with God is pleasurable?? This is very confusing.
Not sure what the two authors of this channel are now trying to accomplish, unless this is the ONLY thing they have to offer the Body?? Bickle is kicked out of ministry, publicly shamed, his legacy trashed, so how much more you wish to accomplish short of a public hanging is questionable. It then becomes a question that you need to answer as to YOUR motives? You are setting yourself up as some kind of judge and jury I presume because you see what Bickle is said to have done has harmed members of the Body. As someone qualified to judge in such matters I would challenge you to present just what is the Gospel you are defending. I would also like to know your testimony of how YOU are obeying the LORD when we were told to preach the Gospel, cast out demons, heal the sick and raise the dead. To fulfil the first part of His command just what is your idea of the Gospel of which He spoke? Looking at the 'church' in the US today, it seems NO ONE knows what this Gospel is actually that we are to preach.
That is sad you don't get it! He's warning about not departing from the Cross of Jesus Christ to false doctrines of destruction.
@@lynneeify Are you the author?? When you share the Gospel what do you tell people? Do you obey Him by your actions? The ONLY reason a true believer can depart (not sure a true believer can) is if they are spending more time listening to the 'leaders' than they are listening to the Holy Spirit. If a 'believer' didn't spend more time watching television or surfing the Net than they do sitting and listening to the Holy Spirit, they would never be able to depart based on what someone is teaching. According to Eph 4, the believers that is you and I are to be the ones doing the work, it is not up to the pastors, it is up to us, according to what God says in Eph 4. Paul also says when we come together, each one of us it to have a psalm, a hymn, a word or teaching and be the active part of the assembly. We are not supposed to sit in a pew like a bump on a log, waiting for the pastor to feed us. If the pew warmers were to actually study their Bible they would not tolerate what church has become, and the fault of that lays squarely at the feet of the pew warmers who have never done their part in building up the body. It is not on the pastors it is on US that the church is so weak and feeble and our LORDS Name is mocked. Blaming pastors for our own failing is typical of the culture today where we are all just pool victims and not responsible for our part.
Did you even watch the video? 😂
@@incredulouskirk What is new?? Nothing, just more of the same old, same old.
How is it you're qualified to judge, when the Word says Do not judge, lest you be judged?