I’ve binge watched all 9 videos over the past week! Thank you for all this! I wanted to go back and re-listen, but can’t remember if Mike already addressed 1 Timothy 2:12?
Dude. Whoa. The part about God trusting me to take care of his daughter. That got me in tears. Never thought of my marriage that way. Thank you for godly insight
Nowadays not many women let their husbands take care of them, they take it as being controlled, they like to feel-be self sufficient as to no need for a man. It's happening as it happened in the garden of Eden, women are being deceived and so are men.
Yes, a big responsibility. We are stewards of her and the children. It is our responsibility to see they are prepared to face this life, and we will be judged on our stewardship and our stewardship in Heaven will be based at least in part on how well we steward God's stuff down here.
And on the other hand, God is trusting his son to her. We both equally are just as loved and precious to our Father. And just think at some point God hands us and her over and giving away some of us to another, even though (if your single) God has all of you and her, yet he gives you both away to each other as a gift.
In my marrige ceremony My Father walked me down the aile to give me into the care , protection and provision of my new husband who loves me. Summission is being agreeable and allowing another to lead not rule. I respect my Husband as I respected my Dad and allowed and appriciated his leadership and calm reasonable manner. Good leaders are not bullies. Jesus is our authourity we both follow him! Husbands Love your wives women let man lead have you never danced? The man leads. If he keeps stepping on your toes do not marry him. problem solved.
I believe God saved me through my marriage . In our beginnings…. I was a nagging, controlling wife. Honestly put. I am not proud of that, but my husband and I would constantly bump heads and bicker. I prayed for God to open my eyes what is deterring our marriage… and The Lord guided me to take the rod out of my own eye. I started to submit to my husband, I tell him my opinion but I don’t push and I don’t try to manipulate his choice by convincing him or nagging him. He is so happy in our marriage now and so am I because I have faith in The Lord regardless if my husband is right or wrong he is my guide God designed on earth for me. I am set free more than ever in this submission like I never thought I would be… Praise God. I am happy to delight the Lord now in a peaceful spirit (of course I do fall to flesh at times and have to repent) but it is clear now to me this is God’s design.
When I was a teen 35ish years ago, I struggled with this issue immensely. I wish I had had this video to help Biblically explain the concept of submission as good and proper. I eventually came to my own Bible based conclusion: submission is a choice. No one, not even my husband, not even God Himself, is to force me to submit. I must choose that willingly. It is a lifestyle that has given me blessings beyond measure. Bless you, Pastor Mike! Bless you for speaking Biblical truth without consideration for those who use anger and fear and culture to bully the Church into compromising God's word. Keep up the great work. ❤🙏
This is probably one of the best examples of submission. Christ does not force the church, and so husband should not force the wife. The husband loving is the husband's responsibility to God, the wife submitting to husband is the wife's responsibility to God. All we can do is to submit to God and do what we are meant to do. :)
A your choice to submit is a beautiful offering to the LORD, and GOD will reward you for your faithfulness and judge us husbands for how well or poorly we have lead in a GOD honoring way.
The reason I love this channel is because Mike seeks what is true and follows whatever is the most convincing position, no matter how popular or unpopular the opinion in culture is- and trying to set aside any biases towards a certain position. Mike has certainly given me a lot of things to think about and I’m grateful there is a Christian channel that engages my mind so much!
I actually like being able to say "I'll have to check with my husband" because he checks with me before making decisions too. It is also a great way to avoid being forced to say "yes" to something on the spot! LOL
@@anthrop7998great idea, if you're agnostic or athiest you would be completely justified in that stance. we're free to decide however we want to live. Some choose to submit, others not so much. But if you believe in God, you have to submit cuz the bible says so
Same here. I became lost reading the bible alone. Eventually, the questions I had beared down heavily on me. These 20 questions episodes were the water I didn't realize I needed to grow. Immesurable is spot on.
@@annipanna The best is when a man tries with all his might to open a pickle jar, but can’t do it. Then a woman opens it up easily (because he unknowingly loosed it enough). 😂
The love of a woman’s husband and children receives emphasis in Titus 2:3-5. Marriage and motherhood are greatly undervalued in our society. Young mothers that contentedly love and serve their families are of great worth! I wish that I could impress upon young mothers how fleeting is this life. I spoke recently with a brand-new, first-time mother that in a bored voice of resignation said that it was time to put her 6-week-old infant into ‘childcare’ so that she could return to her career. I would like to speak up for those 6-week-old infants and say what they cannot: We want and need our mothers, not hired caregivers. We need our mothers to nurture us hands-on and face-to-face. You cannot provide the care that we need over a long distance. Our weekends with you are not enough! We need your consistent, loving presence throughout our tender years; it provides security for us. With your love and care, we can thrive in a tidy, humble home. There is no substitute for us observing your godly example and receiving your correction and discipline in real-time. We won’t be small for long; choose wisely how you spend your precious time, energy, and attention, with things of eternal value in mind (that would be us, not our houses or cars).
Hi ! I am a mom of an almost 3 year old and a 3 month old. My 3 month old is now with my husbands mom as I had to go back to work. Do you have any tips to help ? I miss my boys very badly and I dream of keeping home with them. We have debt piled up and just to get our family by we need two incomes. It is so hard for me . I spend every minute I can with my kids and nurture them as much as I possibly can. In my mind I can’t find any other way ☹️ it is too late for us to go back and start over with our debts . After 6-8 weeks I hear moms say im ready to go back for a break… I had 3 months off and I am heartbroken without my boys some days. I know they are in good hands by family … their grandma. But it’s just not the same as their momma.
Beautifully stated. I made hard decisions to stay home and then worked part time once they were in school. I so badly wish women would see the joy in staying home with their kids.
@@elisabethizzy77 Thanks for writing and for your desire to be the best mother that you can be for your children. I do not know the particulars, but some things for you and others in similar situations to consider include: Some families find that when they add up the expenses associated with mom’s job, that mom nets little to nothing. Childcare/school tuition, taxes, transportation, lunches and coffees, a work wardrobe, convenience foods (restaurant, ready-to-eat meals), etc., can consume an entire month’s wages. If it were me, I would take an honest look at income and expenses and see if this is the case. It makes no sense for mom to continue to work in such a scenario. Would selling an item (car, boat, motorcycle, a too-costly home, etc.) eliminate the debt associated with it and help to make a way for you to be at home with your children? Some credit card companies will reduce your interest rate if you ask them. Frugal living takes time, energy, and planning. If both parents are working, it can be harder to live frugally. Many tips are available on TH-cam channels and other sources that show young families how to stretch their dollars. Ask yourself some hard questions: What am I willing to do, what luxuries am I willing to forgo, to be at home with my children? Pray and ask God to help you align your lives to his blueprint for marriage, home, and family. We may never know how he will provide. My commitment to be at home with my children meant that we often had one car and my husband used public transportation, I shopped at thrift stores, and our first home was 700-square feet. All of our needs were met; we did not suffer. We lived contentedly on my husband’s income. We had enough money to pay for necessities. Our needs were met--not our ‘greeds.’ We never tried to keep up with the Joneses. In some cases, young couples expect to have in their first decade of marriage things that our parents before us attained after a much longer time. The church needs to counsel young people to prepare for married life and children with appropriate planning, expectations, and frugal living. Were it me, I would make whatever adjustments were necessary to be at home with my children during their fleeting, formative years. I very much hope for your sake and your children’s sake that you are able to do so.
@@eflow4786 Many women have never observed women who were worthy models of devotion to marriage, motherhood, and the home! They truly do not know what they are missing! Society has reduced motherhood to ‘childcare.’ Older women in the churches need to exhort young women to grow in their roles as wives and mothers and support them in accordance with the Titus 2 model! This is counter-cultural in society and sadly, often, even in the church.
I have heard so many women in the church say, well my husband has never required me to submit to him or asked for authority in our marriage. It seems to me from what I read that it doesn't matter if he demands it or not. God gave it to him and it's your job to respect it regardless. Its not really a decision between you and your husband. Its a command given by God. You have helped me to see that. Thank you for this new view of the passage.
Absolutely, any time you hear a woman speaking at all about submission or obedience being something earned, by a "good leader" ... ask if the husband is allowed to wait until she becomes a godly wife to love her as Christ loves the assembly.
Plato gave it to him, not God. And Aristotle who believed all women were a mistake of nature which he called “misbegotten”. But his pagan philosophy was “worshipped” by the church for more than 1200 years. This is not of God but MEN.
There has to be a final authority. Otherwise families would be in stalemate on things that both husband and wife don't agree on. It doesn't mean he doesn't consider her counsel. Rather, it means the final decision, and the responsibility for consequences that follow, good or bad, rests with him.
Exactly this. Authority can be nice, but it isn't all sunshine and roses. There's a reason we call it the "Fall of Adam" even though Eve was the first to partake. With great authority comes great responsibility. That's a heavy burden to carry, and I'm grateful my husband shoulders it so I don't have to.
@@lauracheever Hi Didn’t Jesus say the 2 shall be one. I, a wife have always tried to shoulder the responsibility along with my husband. We are a team with Jesus as our head. I’m not saying that the husband doesn’t make the final decision, but we seek the Lord together. Blessings
@@theresaread72 Mike already covered it(the 35:52 section) but just to clarify here's Ephesians 5:23: For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. So Christs headship is directly expressed by the husbands headship. Paul doesn't seem to suggest there's an alternative, God-centered marriage relationship where this is optional or the couple gets to tell Jesus Christ how they will honour his headship. I think a good example for those who may not be comfortable with this is Aaron's relationship to his own brother, Moses. It's found in Exodus 7 if you want to see what I mean by that, though I may make a further comment on it to clarify. I don't think this is a life-death issue but if the Bible says it I just want to affirm God's Word. Many blessings.
If husband and wife disagree, it is not healthy to stunt the resolution process. Pray and work it out until a solution suitable to both is found. I believe God can grant that "oneness" in actuality if we seek Him. If the wife steps back, even though she still feels strongly opposed to whatever the husband is wanting, that is a false unity.
I've watched this entire series, and I'm only 1 hour into this video, but a simple sentence came to my mind. "It's almost as if the simple answer is the correct one." If Peter said it, if Paul said it, and if God throughout the OT said it, then it's probably true, regardless of what some people's delicate modern sensibilities want.
"Delicate modern sensitivities" will be okay once they realize men are there to lovingly serve and guide their wives. Most men don't do this these days. The ones who do are happily married.
@@blahblahblah4544 the fall has broken men and women and we bring those sinful attitudes and behaviors into our relationships. And the church struggles with these issues because often they have left their source of authority of the Scripture. But both Men and Women need to be brought back into submission to the word of GOD
@Bav92 Marriages should have shared respect, and the man should love the woman enough to die for her, even die for her daily, putting her needs above his own (Ephesians 5). Show me your stats that marriages with "shared submission" last longer. Show me that it leads to unhappiness. As for all of this, do you know better than God does? Does the inventor of a creature know better than the creature how it works and what's best for it? When the mechanic designs and engine and writes a manual as to how to operate it, does the engine know better than the manual? So, regardless of what post-modern humans think, they don't know what's best, their Creator does, and the entirety of Scripture describes this theme. So, the only way to throw out this command is to throw out most of Scripture, and that isn't Christianity (following Christ) anymore! (As for your comment about men thinking they deserve to have them, that is at best a non sequitur and at worst a straw man.)
@Bav92 The stats for "Christian" marriages aren't what you were referencing. The stats for Christian marriages, where both attend church regularly (so, are much more likely to actually be Christian and not just claim it) are much, much better than secular marriages. Intrinsic Christianity actually works, go figure! Stats showing a higher pain threshold are a good thing! Show me your stats on pain in intercourse. I can show you stats that women who are "religious" (and in the US this correlates highly to Christian) report better sex than *every other group*! Let's look up the stats on if "religious" women in the US report more happiness, less use of anti-depressants, shall we? Your claim on headship is just that, a baseless claim. A democracy of 2 doesn't work, and I don't know why I have to say things that obvious! Does the maker of the engine know more about how to take care of it than the engine does? Look up InspiringPhilosophy's video on "Is Christianity Harmful?".
Dude, I'm not sure how many days I've spent watching a little bit each day. It blows my mind that you did it all live. I appreciate your dedication and organization, that you'd be able to keep going even when your brain started getting tired. Thanks for taking the time to figure it out, put the information together, and share it.
It’s clear you spent a significant amount of time researching to provide this teaching. I watched all the previous 8 videos & I’m finishing up part 9 now. Thank you!! It has been very helpful & insightful! I’m fairly new to your channel & I want you to know I’m really getting a lot out of your content. I appreciate what you are doing here!
What causes fear in me is that many Conservative Christian men I have met think the submit means they get to be the supreme ruler in the home. There is no understanding of the respect and card of their wife. So glad you gave a full understanding of the Biblical view of marriage.
Actually God's word is clear that that's exactly what it means, your husband is the ruler of the household. Most of these statements by women on this issue are very eye opening, and says nothing good or redeeming about western women, as most statements are women trying stubbornly to rewrite and reinterpret God's very clear commandments on the wives place in the family. It is therefore not suprising at all that of 100 percent of divorces, 80 percent are initiated by the wife. It's amazing that that statistic alone shows clearly that Americas excessive divorce problem is primarily a female problem. You western "women" are just no good, you won't even listen to and obey God's simple but precise commands.
Yeah in my experience men tend to focus on the wife's part and women tend to focus on the husband's part. I just need to love my wife and give her space to figure out how she will submit to me.
@@skwabo This is probably a reaction to the over emphasis of the equality of women or total neglect of biblical submission as a topic so the men swung the other way to unbiblical lording over their wives. I used to be in this camp and had to reevaluate what the scripture said and then do my part despite what my wife might be doing.
@@DaysofElijah317 I think you got this wrong way around. History will tell you that lording over your wife came first. Equality question came into play only in a last couple of centuries.
It's really amazing how much work thorough refutation takes. Ignorance and false doctrine takes only seconds to make up and justify, but the length of endgame to take apart...
Is it thorough refution or mindful thought out speculation ... take the instructions for wives and husbands as a whole ..then if there is any acting like an unbeliever the word says what we are to do ... take up your cross. @@TheTrenchesYT
My father was a pastor, and his district superintendent told my mother she should be “nothing but a puppy dog licking at your husband’s heels”-ULTRA-submission! Daddy never required that of her, but she always endeavored to be submissive to him in a balanced way and taught my brothers and me to do the same, deferring to him as head of the household. They are both in heaven now, and I am a single woman living alone. I constantly see the value of having a male covering and a man to take care of, provide for and guide me-probably more so because I DON’T have that in my life. I took my dad’s headship in the household for granted, but greatly miss it and him now!
Oh! Dear brother pastor Mike Winger! may God give u grace grace grace and more grace2 u for what u are doing for the Body ! I pray for grace coz I have seen with my own eyes wht grace can do in our lives! Bless u
Thank you so much for the hours and hours of hard work you put into preparing all your teachings. All your effort is greatly appreciated. I’ve learned so much from you not only about the specific topics you’ve addressed but about how to apply the Bible to every aspect of life. I grew up in church and always felt like I knew the Bible very well, but since I’ve started watching your channel, my knowledge and understanding of the Bible has grown exponentially. I have been so blessed by your teachings. I’m glad your health is improving at least a little, and I will continue to pray for you. God bless you and your ministry.
I just want to thank you for doing this series and putting so much research, time and effort into it. This has been a topic that I have struggled with as long as I have known about it. Whenever I asked questions I never got a thoughtful reply but was told that’s just the what the Bible says. I have loved hearing both sides of the discussion and what the Bible actually supports. Thank you so much for doing this, you have really strengthened and helped encourage me and helped grow my relationship with God!
Great video Mike! I rarely comment on your videos because I'm not triggered by you(lol), but I love your unapologetic teachings of scripture. Thank you for all you do. We don't need to make excuses for the Bible, we just need to teach it's true meaning.
Crap your video was so long I forgot what I was going to say. I wanted to say that I don't like when you apologize about long videos. I love them and I totally appreciate how much work goes into a video like this. Thank you so much!
well he does sort of apologize along the lines of slavery, the bible's very clear that slaves should obey their masters, and submit to them, from exodus through to 1st peter, or ephesians etc. That's both indentured servants, and literal slaves taken from pagan nations as commanded by God. in a previous video mike pretended that all slavery in israel was indentured servitude, which isn't correct, they were permitted and in some cases commanded to take slaves from neighbouring nations via conquest, at which point if a man took a woman from a neighbouring nation as part of his spoil, he had to keep her 30 days before being allowed to marry her (the woman didn't get a say in this it would appear, at this point as part of his spoil she was essentially his property, just like any wife, or daughter is according to Gods law) God's also clear you can sell your daughter into servitude, and sell her to be married etc as well, he's also clear that you can marry multiple women (something else mike apologized for, and then literally added to scripture, saying "God allowed that for a time so that women wouldn't become prostitutes", which as you can probably guess, is written NOWHERE in the bible, whatsoever, he also twisted scripture to infer that Jesus talking about divorce, was somehow talking about men having multiple wives, which again, is a laughable thing the modern church does because of how THEY feel, about the issue, and not how God feels about it. Mike as much as i like him, and i like him a LOT, very much apologizes for the teachings of scripture, and adds to it like many modern preachers in order to satisfy how THEY want to think about God, instead of accepting God for WHO HE IS) God bless and keep you, i hope this has been helpful
@@stevesmith7843 we're saying the same thing. I don't need to defend Mike though. My point is that he teaches those things unapologetically in my eyes. Pretending the Bible didn't say those things or apologizing for the Bible saying those things is not what we need. So I'm sorry if you took my "unapologetically" statement differently than I meant it. All I meant was that he teaches through tough issues instead of avoiding them. That may be the definition of apologetics but in my opinion he does it unapologetically
Ok, I really get you Joshua Bryan. But to say we just need to teach its true meaning, I think you may be saying in Mike's view he's teaching what he feels is the true meaning and you are very glad he does that. There are many other great theologians out there (for decades) that hold different views and interpretations of the very same scripture. This is where we are focusing on definitions of truth above the greatest command to 'love the lord your God with all your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength'. Jesus is an alive person in a real body, words on a page, scripture, is not to be idolised above relationship with Jesus himself.
I’m rewatching this program in preparation to the last one. I didn’t know why I had to watch it again, I wanted to experience the finale. But God…. I am a 1970’s woman who balanced God , family & working outside the home. I craved my husband would take that headship role but we were babies playing house. My marriage ended in an ugly divorce. Because of issues from the first time, I only looked at a future co-parent for my babies who was physically strong. God gave me a wonderful husband who met many of the things I determined I needed. But,I was the stronger believer & I actually enjoyed that fact. And honestly I stunted our marriage & his spiritual growth for many years. I have repented & love the man God has blessed me to serve. Then you mentioned the ’ weaker’ vessel & I cried. I’m not lesser, I am precious. That was what I needed to hear. I needed this strong man to physically protect me. He loved taking care of me. But now he actually is my lord, not my body guard. Thank you for this awesome series. My husband and I are about to share a ministry in our church very dear to us & I am thankful even these many years later my husband is strong in mind, body & FAITH, debby
I have been cycling through TH-cam videos while working today. The opening line caught my attention. That's the first thing the officiant said at my wedding! My mother-in-law thought the person had a speech impediment. It was hilarious. Thanks for the little laugh and wonderful lesson!
Mike-“This will probably be the longest one in the series” Me coming across this months later with access to the whole series-😅😂😂😂 For real though, I’m grateful for this series. I know it’s about women in ministry, but I came across it as I am on a journey to truly discover biblical femininity and womanhood and this series is equal good for that, as well. Thank you for taking so much time to dive deep into these issues.
As I have listened to your analysis of both Calvinism and Egalitarianism, I find that both schools of thought have one common theme...the necessity to do extreme hermeneutical gymnastics to justify their position rather than a plain reading of God's Word. To me, that is always a red flag in any line of thinking. Thank you for your thorough scholarship in all areas. You model the type of sola scriptura pastor I want to be.
Ok. A pastor that studies the Bible correctly, shares both sides of a discussion, AND opens with quotes from the best movie, Ever! Wow! God has blessed us all. 😊
The problem with a secular person looking at this is they equate the turmoil in their own marriage to convert into a Christian patriarch marriage. I don't know about all married persons that call themselves Christian, but my marriage is quite tranquil in nature. It is virtually a non-happening that I take a stand in anything, or that I shoot down my wife's ideas. I consider her thoughts and feelings as my own and I stand to serve her and at times lead into something challenging.
That is an exact reversion from what the Bible says it should be. It is your wife who should follow your lead and not take a stand in anything but rather consider your thoughts as her thoughts and stand to serve you in everything. You dishonor your head (Christ) by living this way.
I was talking with a feminist friend about this topic just last week. I quickly went through the 1 Corinthians and Ephesians passages, as I didn't want to bore her (she's not a believer: pray for her!), and I pointed out that the Ephesians passage starts out with "submit to each other," and THEN breaks it down into HOW we are to submit to each other, what that submission in each partner looks like. She was like, "Thanks! Nobody's ever explained it like that to me before; that makes a lot of sense." Unbelievers want to focus on the first half (only) of Ephesians 5, verse 22, and put a misogynistic spin on it... but never tell anyone about verse 21, which is the cornerstone of the passage.
My christian mother told me today that the role of women that are single is to wait on men. Women are not supposed to earn more than the man. She said, the man determines if she works or she stays at home because women are made for men. either ways the bible is sexist, and your feminist friend if she is not brainwashed will find out soon
Mutual submission is of the devil. You know that verse 21 is not talking about in marriage! Verse 21 is setting up the submission order! Wives submit to husbands, children submit to their parents,slaves submit to masters. Never husbands submit to wives! We are twisted if we think Christ is supposed to submit to his church. So, If the husbands represents Christ and the wives represents the church,how can you possibly think husbands are to submit to wives? No way hosea!
Thank you for another "lightbulb!" How the terms submit, respect, subject, honor, love, head, body between husbands and wives are all clarified quantitatively and qualitatively in Christ!
I absolutely LOVE this series! Now, I do not agree with all the conclusions you reach, but I respect your work, study, passion and genuine love that you clearly have for the work, and for those who watch your content. You truly reach your objective of getting us to think Biblically.
@@benwooley2859I am curious to know as well. I shall not judge you @jeffalexander195 for it,, and I kindly ask that no one else judges your opinion. This should be a safe space for you to speak your mind. 😊
This WiM series has been a useful study and the best way of putting biblical complementarianism I've found, thank you Mike. Re: the weaker vessel, I've seen concerns about this verse over men who would be the weaker one (due to disability/health issues, for example). In regards to that, I note that the point of the passage itself is less about physical strength and more about how husbands are to honor and care for their wives, just like the other passages about it.
THANK YOU for teaching this unpopular TRUTH!!! I have lived both sides of this culture war. In my youth I sided with culture as I am a product of the 1960’s. Now at 60, God has been so faithful in keep His promises me as I conform in faith and obedience to HIM in relationship with my husband. We are married 40 years next year after tumultuous years of rebellion and pride. My husband surrendered to Jesus AFTER he saw me SURRENDER to JESUS and the WORD! The most powerful tool for me is prayer and a quiet spirit! Hallelujah! I want, so much for younger women to understand the blessings that come from doing this GODS way!!!! My husband loves and respects me more than ever since he has seen Jesus change my heart. AND I can TRUST my husband to do only after consulting GOD for guidance!! Therefore, in compromising with my husband I am allowing God to move in our marriage. If he makes a decision without God’s guidance, the consequences are his. Thanks for teaching this in obedience and courage!!! Brother, you are in my prayers!
Thanks for another great Bible study, Mike. I agree with you that a simple reading of the text informs a complementarian worldview. This is how I saved my marriage, by studying God's will and submitting to it and my husband. Even though he's agnostic, it makes the relationship much better. Though very simple, these passages were the perfect antidote to the ingrained feminism and resentment I carried from being raised in a western culture. (They also helped my relationship with my father.) I pray this teaching will be far-reaching and as impactful as it has been in my life.
I love the head and body analogy of husband and wife, because it's a good picture. The body does sumbit to the head, in that the body obeys the signals from the brain; however, the brain/head still has to respect and cherish the body also. If I were to not eat and not drink and then try to run a marathon after not training, my body is going to stop and say, "Yeah we're done. We're going to collapse on the floor and not move, because we can't anymore." So a husband has to treat his wife well. He can't just expect her to perfectly obey his every command with no problem if he doesn't take care of her.
I LOVE your teachings....thank you! Yes, I understand this from reading the Bible, but to hear your reasons and how you take it all apart and explain it is very wonderful and insightful. God Bless You, Mike. Thank you.
I absolutely hate when men say “happy wife, happy life.” It is equivalent to a confession of weakness and poor leadership in my estimation for the most part. It is similar to saying “I am a people pleaser.” A woman cannot respect that. She wants a man who cares more about the truth than her feelings and will gladly-not just reluctantly-stand firm in the face of her unpleasant moods to champion truth and justice. Let’s be stronger, more courageous, and more righteous for our women men.
@@bygraceonly182 "husband is the head of wife" frankly makes men sound like abusive tyrants too. Maybe I also want respect. Maybe respect should be MUTUAL, hello?
Regarding 1 Peter 3:1, while it is normally assumed that the husband is an unbeliever, I would suggest that this might also apply to husbands who are believers but who are in some manner disobeying the word. The word apeitheo can be translated either disbelieving or disobeying. (A more specific word for unbeliever is apistos, which Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 7:13.) One reason we assume he's an unbeliever is we see the word "won," which in our vernacular applies to salvation. However, the word kerdaino simply means gained, which might be understood more broadly. For example, in Matthew 18:15 it speaks of "gaining" a brother when he is confronted with his offense. I think a more common problem in marriages is not that the wife is a believer and the husband is not, but that the wife perceives her husband is not following the word as closely as he should. When this is the case, it seems that Peter has provided her with three specific tactics for "gaining" his return to obedience: silence, respect, and pure conduct.
Really good contribution this. I was actually thinking it reminds me of Pauls attitude to evangelism where he's willing to be all things to all people(which he covers in various ways but the idea of following customs to spread the gospel is a common theme). Paul didn't concern himself with his pride as a Jew, he just submits his life to make sure people hear the good news. I think it's a lot like the wife is living out James 3 kind of wisdom. V17 says 'But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere.' In doing this she fulfills James' concluding remarks in chapter 5: My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins. So you can save your husband by bringing him into the faith or simply from helping to keep him off the path of evil.
@@zacdredge3859 Does this mean that women should just accept any bad behaviour just to bring him to Christ? Does she have boundaries?? Does she have standards? Should she just go with anything at her own expense???
@@sakuraesther6309 if you are having the Holy Spirit guiding you and seek God by reading the word and prayer you will have wisdom and humility to know the answer. Always be praying for your husband to be Christlike and stop nagging, constantly needing your opinion heard.
@@sakuraesther6309 - What Peter has to say in 1 Peter 3 about submission actually starts out in Chapter 2:18. I urge you to read the whole thing as it brings context: "Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are harsh. For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person endures grief when suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps,," (1 Peter 2:18-21) Notice that servants are to submit to their (harsh, cruel, unjust, unfair, crooked, etc.) masters even if it causes them to SUFFER. Peter tells us that if we patiently endure suffering while doing what is right (what God tells us to do) that it brings FAVOR to us from the Lord. I know that suffering is not a popular theme these days but verse 21 actually tells us that because we are Christians that we are CALLED to suffer (because Christ suffered for us) and that He gave us an example of how we are to handle it. In the very next breath, Peter says: "In the same way, you wives, be subject to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, as they observe your pure conduct with fear. (1 Petr 3:1-2) In the same way, wives are to submit to their husbands and show them good and respectful behavior, even if while being obedient to the Lord, it causes them to suffer, But if they patiently endure that suffering (out a a conscience toward the Lord), that brings them FAVOR from the Lord. Notice verse 20 says that if you are suffering for doing what is wrong, there is no benefit from it. Too many women these days are suffering in their marriages but they are suffering for doing what is wrong and the bible tells them (in essence) they are getting what they deserve. More times than not, all that is required for Christian wives to end the suffering they are having in their marriage (even to a lost man) is for them to just stop doing what is wrong and to start doing what God tells them to do. Then, for the very few that are still suffering (after they start doing what is right), God tells them that if they patiently endure it for His sake, it will bring them favor from Him. What might this favor look like, well it could be that their lost husband is won to the Lord and becomes saved! That was my fathers testimony. I was a teenager before my father got saved and he credited my mothers submission and respectful behavior toward him (that deep inside he knew he did not deserve) that drew him to Christ. It could also mean that God does a work in your saved husband to cause him to be a better Christian. Notice that change is not going to come from what you might say to your husband, it's going to come from what you do (your actions). I will say that Godly submission to your husband does NOT include you personally sinning. You obey God before you obey man but (before refusing), make sure that what you are being asked to do is an actual sin and not just something you don't like or are uncomfortable with.
Pastor Mike, Thank you so much for this series! I've been a complementerian without knowing this phrase, but always struggled with what headship, submission, truly meant. I learned through the series that "men is the priest of the home" is not biblical. I find it relieving. I thing this gets the pressure off women who are struggling whether to marry a man who is not above her let's say spiritually or in theological knowledge. I heard this many times: "Oh,I need a man who can be the priest of our home." And it takes the pressure of men too. Yes, they need to be head of their family, but not the priest. Thank you again! Also I am more confident in teaching as a woman then before. (I heard the extreme complementarian views before and was a bit concerned about what I do.)
Thank you so much Pastor Mike for this in depth study! It has truly been a blessing to me in helping me see how I need to adjust my perspective to have a more Biblically based life and outlook. God bless you and your work!
The head coverings video will be the MOST important video in the series for me, because the tradition I'm leaving (and my mom is still in) uses that passage to say women can NEVER cut their hair, and doing so is basically sinful, cuts them off from spiritual power and all sorts of crazy stuff... Yes I know about Heiser's view on it. I'm still working through whether I agree with it, and I'm hoping Mike can bring some clarity.
Here is the clarity for the head covering and why. The mind of the wife is on her husband, the mind of the husband is on Jesus, and the mind of Jesus is on God. Every man praying and prophesying against any teaching of Jesus, dishonors himself. For example "Can I see your ....." This prayer opposes the teaching Jesus gave for looking away. But anyone who prays "Could you cover up your ...." Honors himself and God.
@@stephengray1344 The passage does talk about hair, and ends with this: 1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV - Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
@@stephengray1344 Because this is talking about Honor and Glory. The glory of the woman "naturally" is her hair. The glory of the man "naturally" is to hear him talk. In other words the reason someone looks at someone. For its only polite one looks at you when your speaking at them. Make sure you keep the context, for this teaching is specifically when the church members gather during the first day of the week for their sharing with each other the first fruits of their gifts God gave them. The men already had enough reason for looking at the women, but when it was time for the presentations of God's word, "Especially the part where the blessing happened on the food." Each should listen to the blessing made by the one man. For most other times the woman speaks and the man listens, and the reason for this is because man takes his "bread" (his words) and "interrupts himself"(aka breaking the bread) and "hears her complaints"(aka drinks the wine). For this is how we lay down "what we feel like talking about" to communicate with the women. And since this teaching is for the men. It is more appropriate that another man tells the man "in the nice way of the harse term" (shut up and listen). For if the woman say shut up and listen, this just makes her look bossy, and this isn't ment for the women in Christ. So the message is supposed to come from the man. In other words, how the women do the hair is their own thing. In those day long hair was the style. So Paul was taking advantage of this local custom. Therefore the woman can wear the hair however they wish. Also for example if the son needs food and clothes and she prays for his food and clothes. She's got him "covered". And as the man like when the wife think of him and cooks him something yummy. Likewise God likes it when we think of his template, and do good at each other. In the name of the Lord Is (who they translate as Jesus Christ). Amen
@@Ordinal_Yoda Where are you getting the idea that hearing a man talk is his glory? 1 Cor 11:7 specifically says that "woman is the glory of man." So my hair is my glory, and I am my husband's glory. When I cover my head to pray, it leaves the glory of God as the only glory that's on display. The whole passage is a lot less complicated than people like to make it.
Amazing teaching! So thorough and yet digestible. Thank you for working through this so deeply so we can have a Biblical understanding of the dynamic God would want for our marriages. It’s invaluable in our current culture, or any culture, really. May we all live our lives to the glory of God!! I’ll be watching this again a couple times to be sure it all sticks!! 🤓👍✝️
I agree with you 100%! I tend to think of submission as respect and trust. The description also tells husband how to act too. It is a two way street. The descriptors are ideals. A godly man will be loving, a woman will naturally trust and respect a loving husband. Visa versa, a woman who respects and trust her husband will cause a man to naturally love her. Not rocket science. It is about making us stronger in our weaknesses. Marriage is about maturity. Respect and honor come more naturally to men and love and nurture come more naturally to women. In ideal situations. Unfortunately, life is not ideal and there is a lot of hurt and abuse starting in childhood that can perverse these characteristics and bring a lot of strife into relationships. But thankfully Jesus gives us a second chance to change our hearts and minds and gives us examples to work towards. EDIT: I see you talked about this later in your talk. Oops. Lol
I love these teachings, and I tend to be domineering and nagging. 🙄 I listen while I'm at work (housekeeper to wealthy Jews), so the length of the videos is no bother. 🥰 How blessed is your wife to have such a wise husband.
Honestly, this series has been so helpful for me for more reasons than even just the issue of women in ministry. It has helped clarify many things I misunderstood about ecclesiology in general.
I’ve appreciated this series so much. It’s a topic that I have avoided for years because it’s so big and I hate conflict. I’ve always been pretty certain that scripture affirms some sort of male headship and also affirms women using their gifts to build up the body, and have just tried to do the best I can to be faithful while relying heavily on Gods grace if I mess it up. I so appreciate your insistence on the sacrednesses of handling Gods word correctly and not allowing our emotions to culture to override scripture. When is he next one coming out???
This applies to many men these days. By avoiding conflict they let their marriage deteriorate. "Happy wife, happy life" avoids conflict, but in the long run leads to disrespect and dissatisfaction in the marriage.
@@ericjames7819 it may apply to many men, but I’m not one of them, I’m a girl 😁 I more meant internal conflict and watching other people in conflict while doing research. You’re right that it’s irresponsible to avoid it because of that but I’m just being honest about what’s kept me from pursuing this secondary issue 🤷🏻♀️ it’s not good, it’s just reality. I’m grateful for this series 💜
Amazing video, amazing series, amazing effort and level of commitment... Thank you so much for all your hard work - God knew we needed someone like you to share His Truth regardless of any potential criticism, mockery or hatred. You have a hard but crucial mission - your content is definitely life and world changing.🙏🙏 Keep up the good fight and also, “Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven”🤍
Great job with this one. As usual. I appreciate all the effort that is put into these teachings. Not surprised it wore Mike out, it took me a few days to get though this one. 😆
Funny how there needs to be 9 parts to this it’s so very clear yet people refuse to look at what is simple written on the page. The world hates it and the world doesn’t know what is right.
Yep, very often God says something and then we respond with, but I think it should work like this. As if we’ve thought up a better way to do things. And even we you respect God on one issue you can still struggle with another. We really hate letting someone else be in control.
I think he spends a lot of time refuting every egalitarian argument that twists what the scriptures say. The Bible is straightforward. But he is just taking time to correct all these bad interpretations. Which I like how he patiently and lovingly does this.
Yes. When presented with "Wives submit to your husband's as unto the Lord" the egalitarian response is "Well, what it really means is.....". You can see the fruit of egalitarian marriages. The woman loses more and more respect for her husband and becomes more unsatisfiewith their relationship.
Thank you so much for the time and energy spent doing this. I waited for a realllly long time to watch this series because I already knew where i stood, but its good to hear the other side's arguments (or lack thereof). What i love about hearing you in this series is the obvious endearment you hold for your wife and women in general. It's one of the few times youve gotten a little riled up (righteously I would say), and the other times i remember have to do with the sacredness of Scripture. It is beyond clear you hold women in high regard, and not at the putting down of men. We NEED this good balance so much right now. Thank you for upholding the things that truly do matter, and doing it in such a way of grace and care. It has been such a blessing to witness. Thanks again.
Submission is actually admiration and respect for a male spouse. Who doesn't thrive knowing that their spouse (male or female) prays for them and loves them in spite of their weaknesses.
Thank you so much for persevering with this. We're blessed worldwide, not just in the USA. Once again, timely teaching, especially considering the way the Baptist Union here in the UK is drifting from the authority of Scripture.....
Imagine getting on a plane. There is a pilot and a co-pilot. But on our plane, both pilot and co-pilot hold the controls at the same time and are allowed to make independent decisions, or actions at the same time. The issue of husband and wife, is about an organized and functional family structure, and the voluntary agreement as to the structure and roles. We, wives, are co-pilots.
HEADCOVERINGS - Randy Kay (TH-cam channel) interviewed a woman who had a series of NDEs before she had a knowledge of the Bible - and said was told by God to cover her head when she prayed. The woman then always did so. Upon raising this with her experienced Christians friends, they showed her the scripture about the need for women to cover their heads when they pray.
Thank you! You are right. We could have gotten to the same bottom line with just our Bible, but sooooo thankful you took the time to explain all this. It helped me understand the Egalitarian position, even though I don’t agree with it. Simply put: Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church and wives submit to your husbands as the Church does to Christ. A picture of God’s great mystery revealed, The Church. It’s almost like God planned it. ❤😊 Can’t wait to listen to more.
Thank you pastor Mike for the work you put into this. I am so glad that I have this for a resource. I have done. A lot of study on this myself and you have done such a great job compiling it into one spot. And so much more
Greetings from Uganda. Even though I struggle with many Bible teachers I really love your teaching and especially the humility with which you present it. As a Bible teacher myself I am empowered more by what you teach. I also wanted to add to this that starting from Genesis (ch3 vs16) would also be a good thing for this topic: God explains the natural order that becomes corrupted with the fall -from " 'lordship' and 'submission' " relationship between man and woman respectively that was based on love to a " lordship and submission " relationship that then become corrupted because of the forbidden fruit.
Wow, when Mike pulled out the Aristotle quote showing how submission between wife and husband is different from master and slave, my respect for his scholarly effort and love for God's word went through the roof.
My heart actually sank when he referenced Aristotle. Here are a few quotes from Aristotle about women that are important for this discussion: "The male is by nature superior, and the female inferior." "Women are unfinished men." "Men have more teeth than women, the female as it were, a mutilated male" "Compared to men, women are immature, deficient, deformed, they are even a bit monstrous" "Men have hotter blood than women, and are generally more perfect" "Trust not a woman when she weeps, for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will" "The female is by virtue a certain lack of qualities, a natural defectiveness" I imagine that we should caution ourselves before exhalting Aristotle as any kind of thought leader on this topic.
Mike says submission isn’t about micromanagement. What do the ladies do who are being micromanaged into exhaustion? The men in the Biblical Patriarchy movement are telling men they’re supposed to micromanage.
You are absolutely right about not teaching anything that you couldn't get from just reading your Bible. The truth is that your can't become egalitarian from reading the Bible. Egalitarians get their ideas from our modern western culture and then try to bend the Bible to fit what they want to believe.
I'm still hoping Mike will address the topic of single and divorced women in the church, as different from the widow (or are we)? PS Love your you tube channel 💕
Thank you. I have prayed and asked God for wisdom and knowledge. And to guide me through bible study. You just happened to pop up on my TH-cam, and I started listening to you. You were talking about divorce and remarriage. It was so eye-opening... I am thankful it seems the Lord heard me. And lead me to your channel
I hope nobody uses this against you Mike 38:28 oops 😂 I really loved your take on this topic and I'm trying to learn this well to be a husband worth submitting to when I get married soon in the future.
I love your insightful and informative videos, but I have to shout out the Princess Bride reference at the beginning, was really cute & funny! Put a smile on my face for sure!
My marriage was doomed to die; without Christ and His work in me, and also in my husband to lead, we would have failed. I give God all the Glory for the nearly twenty years with my beloved ❤️
The common sense, 2 cent version is if there is mutual submission to Jesus Christ, wifely submission to the husband isn't an issue. Wonderful, in-depth study, Mike. Thanks for all your hard work!
Mike, thank you so much… can you please emphasize how in genuine abuse, gaslighting, criminal behavior, drugs, hurting selves or others, etc CALLS a woman NOT to submit to enabling, to silence, to acting like nothing is wrong “forgiving” with no repentance ,
I doubt he will. He had a really weak argument in support of women who needed church intervention(Mathew 5) in cases of abuse. He seemed to insinuate that most cases of abuse were not as serious as the wife made it out to be. Very disappointing
Nobody ever has solid information or guidelines because the Bible doesn’t give any information of this. Women were owned in biblical times. Abuse or not, no one cared.
The modern equivalent to "my lord" is "ME LAIRD!" delivered in a really poor Scottish accent with gusto. Like, geeky Ren Faire style. That's what I call my husband. Great series!
It's easy to see how culture-bowing scholars would go out of their way to twist and missinterpret scripture to prove some point foreign to the original historical setting and authorial intent... Thank you, Pastor Mike, for your agonizing labor to bring truth and clarity! Shalom
Thank you for rebuking “happy wife, happy life”. It’s such an unbiblical saying that is said from the pulpit. A man’s purpose is not to make us wife happy, and his happiness should not be dependent on the whims of a woman.
Incredible work, and off the cuff. You've quickly justified the large amount of time and focus I've devoted to your channel. Please continue to share your gift with His flock.
Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
1. 10:36 Mike’s teaching through 1 Peter 3:1-7
2. 30:19 Mike’s teaching through Col. 3: 18-19
3. 35:04 Mike’s teaching through Titus 2:5
4. 35:52 Mike’s teaching through Eph. 5: 21-33
5. 49:23 Mike’s teaching on 1 Cor. 7:3-5
6. 55:14 Egalitarian view of 1 Pet. 3:1-7
7. 1:21:55 Egalitarian view of Col. 3: 18-19
8. 1:30:45 Egalitarian view of Eph. 5: 21-36
9. 2:40:47 The slavery objection
10. 3:05:07 Conclusion
Thank you, Sarah! ♥️
I’ve binge watched all 9 videos over the past week! Thank you for all this! I wanted to go back and re-listen, but can’t remember if Mike already addressed 1 Timothy 2:12?
Where’s the “potty break” time stamp? 😂
Awesome ❤️
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Dude. Whoa. The part about God trusting me to take care of his daughter. That got me in tears. Never thought of my marriage that way. Thank you for godly insight
Nowadays not many women let their husbands take care of them, they take it as being controlled, they like to feel-be self sufficient as to no need for a man. It's happening as it happened in the garden of Eden, women are being deceived and so are men.
An interesting TH-cam page you have!
Yes, a big responsibility. We are stewards of her and the children. It is our responsibility to see they are prepared to face this life, and we will be judged on our stewardship and our stewardship in Heaven will be based at least in part on how well we steward God's stuff down here.
And on the other hand, God is trusting his son to her. We both equally are just as loved and precious to our Father. And just think at some point God hands us and her over and giving away some of us to another, even though (if your single) God has all of you and her, yet he gives you both away to each other as a gift.
In my marrige ceremony
My Father walked me down the aile
to give me into the care , protection and
provision of my
new husband
who loves me.
Summission
is being agreeable and
allowing another to lead
not rule.
I respect my Husband as I respected my
Dad and allowed
and appriciated
his leadership
and calm reasonable
manner.
Good leaders
are not bullies.
Jesus is our
authourity
we both follow him!
Husbands Love
your
wives
women let man
lead
have you never
danced?
The man leads.
If he keeps stepping on your toes do not marry him.
problem solved.
I believe God saved me through my marriage . In our beginnings…. I was a nagging, controlling wife. Honestly put. I am not proud of that, but my husband and I would constantly bump heads and bicker. I prayed for God to open my eyes what is deterring our marriage… and The Lord guided me to take the rod out of my own eye. I started to submit to my husband, I tell him my opinion but I don’t push and I don’t try to manipulate his choice by convincing him or nagging him. He is so happy in our marriage now and so am I because I have faith in The Lord regardless if my husband is right or wrong he is my guide God designed on earth for me. I am set free more than ever in this submission like I never thought I would be… Praise God. I am happy to delight the Lord now in a peaceful spirit (of course I do fall to flesh at times and have to repent) but it is clear now to me this is God’s design.
That's wonderful! it's been stablished by God and we can't change the terms.
God bless you and your marriage :)
Same - 3 years ago ♡
@@marincusman9303 thank you!
@@lasassonicole congratulations ❤️ so freeing !! I hope God bless your marriage
When I was a teen 35ish years ago, I struggled with this issue immensely. I wish I had had this video to help Biblically explain the concept of submission as good and proper.
I eventually came to my own Bible based conclusion: submission is a choice. No one, not even my husband, not even God Himself, is to force me to submit. I must choose that willingly. It is a lifestyle that has given me blessings beyond measure.
Bless you, Pastor Mike! Bless you for speaking Biblical truth without consideration for those who use anger and fear and culture to bully the Church into compromising God's word. Keep up the great work. ❤🙏
This is probably one of the best examples of submission. Christ does not force the church, and so husband should not force the wife. The husband loving is the husband's responsibility to God, the wife submitting to husband is the wife's responsibility to God. All we can do is to submit to God and do what we are meant to do. :)
It looks like even Jesus had his choice. The choice is holy. If someone tries to force it, it ain't a choice.
A your choice to submit is a beautiful offering to the LORD, and GOD will reward you for your faithfulness and judge us husbands for how well or poorly we have lead in a GOD honoring way.
The reason I love this channel is because Mike seeks what is true and follows whatever is the most convincing position, no matter how popular or unpopular the opinion in culture is- and trying to set aside any biases towards a certain position. Mike has certainly given me a lot of things to think about and I’m grateful there is a Christian channel that engages my mind so much!
I actually like being able to say "I'll have to check with my husband" because he checks with me before making decisions too. It is also a great way to avoid being forced to say "yes" to something on the spot! LOL
Same here. Especially since there may have been something I forgot or vice versa.
what if your husband is a total fool? I'm not saying they are (hopefully not). But both spouses should have to check with each other.
@@anthrop7998 I would hope people would be wise enough to recognize a complete fool BEFORE marrying him 😂
@@anthrop7998 Then she needs to trust GOD or do as Abigail depending on the situation
@@anthrop7998great idea, if you're agnostic or athiest you would be completely justified in that stance. we're free to decide however we want to live. Some choose to submit, others not so much. But if you believe in God, you have to submit cuz the bible says so
Thank you Mike for your immeasurably valuable contributions to the body of Christ. You have changed my life by bringing me back to God. Bless you!
Praise the Lord for you coming back!
Same here. I became lost reading the bible alone. Eventually, the questions I had beared down heavily on me. These 20 questions episodes were the water I didn't realize I needed to grow. Immesurable is spot on.
"I am better at opening the pickle jars" A truly biblical interpretation, lol.
thats all you got from this wow.... what about the bags of soil
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Actually ooening picle jars was the end scene of Matt Walsh' What is a woman documentary. 🤣
That’s why a female only society would fall. They would all starve without the ability to open jars
@@annipanna The best is when a man tries with all his might to open a pickle jar, but can’t do it. Then a woman opens it up easily (because he unknowingly loosed it enough). 😂
The love of a woman’s husband and children receives emphasis in Titus 2:3-5. Marriage and motherhood are greatly undervalued in our society. Young mothers that contentedly love and serve their families are of great worth!
I wish that I could impress upon young mothers how fleeting is this life. I spoke recently with a brand-new, first-time mother that in a bored voice of resignation said that it was time to put her 6-week-old infant into ‘childcare’ so that she could return to her career. I would like to speak up for those 6-week-old infants and say what they cannot:
We want and need our mothers, not hired caregivers. We need our mothers to nurture us hands-on and face-to-face. You cannot provide the care that we need over a long distance. Our weekends with you are not enough! We need your consistent, loving presence throughout our tender years; it provides security for us. With your love and care, we can thrive in a tidy, humble home. There is no substitute for us observing your godly example and receiving your correction and discipline in real-time. We won’t be small for long; choose wisely how you spend your precious time, energy, and attention, with things of eternal value in mind (that would be us, not our houses or cars).
Hi ! I am a mom of an almost 3 year old and a 3 month old. My 3 month old is now with my husbands mom as I had to go back to work. Do you have any tips to help ? I miss my boys very badly and I dream of keeping home with them. We have debt piled up and just to get our family by we need two incomes. It is so hard for me . I spend every minute I can with my kids and nurture them as much as I possibly can. In my mind I can’t find any other way ☹️ it is too late for us to go back and start over with our debts . After 6-8 weeks I hear moms say im ready to go back for a break… I had 3 months off and I am heartbroken without my boys some days. I know they are in good hands by family … their grandma. But it’s just not the same as their momma.
Beautifully stated. I made hard decisions to stay home and then worked part time once they were in school. I so badly wish women would see the joy in staying home with their kids.
@@elisabethizzy77 Thanks for writing and for your desire to be the best mother that you can be for your children. I do not know the particulars, but some things for you and others in similar situations to consider include:
Some families find that when they add up the expenses associated with mom’s job, that mom nets little to nothing. Childcare/school tuition, taxes, transportation, lunches and coffees, a work wardrobe, convenience foods (restaurant, ready-to-eat meals), etc., can consume an entire month’s wages. If it were me, I would take an honest look at income and expenses and see if this is the case. It makes no sense for mom to continue to work in such a scenario.
Would selling an item (car, boat, motorcycle, a too-costly home, etc.) eliminate the debt associated with it and help to make a way for you to be at home with your children?
Some credit card companies will reduce your interest rate if you ask them.
Frugal living takes time, energy, and planning. If both parents are working, it can be harder to live frugally. Many tips are available on TH-cam channels and other sources that show young families how to stretch their dollars. Ask yourself some hard questions: What am I willing to do, what luxuries am I willing to forgo, to be at home with my children?
Pray and ask God to help you align your lives to his blueprint for marriage, home, and family. We may never know how he will provide.
My commitment to be at home with my children meant that we often had one car and my husband used public transportation, I shopped at thrift stores, and our first home was 700-square feet. All of our needs were met; we did not suffer. We lived contentedly on my husband’s income. We had enough money to pay for necessities. Our needs were met--not our ‘greeds.’ We never tried to keep up with the Joneses. In some cases, young couples expect to have in their first decade of marriage things that our parents before us attained after a much longer time.
The church needs to counsel young people to prepare for married life and children with appropriate planning, expectations, and frugal living. Were it me, I would make whatever adjustments were necessary to be at home with my children during their fleeting, formative years. I very much hope for your sake and your children’s sake that you are able to do so.
@@eflow4786 Many women have never observed women who were worthy models of devotion to marriage, motherhood, and the home! They truly do not know what they are missing! Society has reduced motherhood to ‘childcare.’ Older women in the churches need to exhort young women to grow in their roles as wives and mothers and support them in accordance with the Titus 2 model! This is counter-cultural in society and sadly, often, even in the church.
@@smpittsburgh264 thank you ❤️
As a woman, wife, mother, but most importantly Christian, thank you for this series 🙏 may God have this reach many people, if it is his will.
I have heard so many women in the church say, well my husband has never required me to submit to him or asked for authority in our marriage. It seems to me from what I read that it doesn't matter if he demands it or not. God gave it to him and it's your job to respect it regardless. Its not really a decision between you and your husband. Its a command given by God. You have helped me to see that. Thank you for this new view of the passage.
So true. Modern men have been feminized and taught to be ashamed of having authority in a relationship.
Well explained
Absolutely, any time you hear a woman speaking at all about submission or obedience being something earned, by a "good leader" ... ask if the husband is allowed to wait until she becomes a godly wife to love her as Christ loves the assembly.
Plato gave it to him, not God. And Aristotle who believed all women were a mistake of nature which he called “misbegotten”. But his pagan philosophy was “worshipped” by the church for more than 1200 years. This is not of God but MEN.
@@mrmonay
Don't be so snarky to this woman. That's not what God would have us do.
I'm sure the husband has his faults, his sins too.
There has to be a final authority. Otherwise families would be in stalemate on things that both husband and wife don't agree on. It doesn't mean he doesn't consider her counsel. Rather, it means the final decision, and the responsibility for consequences that follow, good or bad, rests with him.
Exactly this. Authority can be nice, but it isn't all sunshine and roses. There's a reason we call it the "Fall of Adam" even though Eve was the first to partake. With great authority comes great responsibility. That's a heavy burden to carry, and I'm grateful my husband shoulders it so I don't have to.
Amen! it would be chaotic.
@@lauracheever Hi Didn’t Jesus say the 2 shall be one. I, a wife have always tried to shoulder the responsibility along with my husband. We are a team with Jesus as our head. I’m not saying that the husband doesn’t make the final decision, but we seek the Lord together. Blessings
@@theresaread72 Mike already covered it(the 35:52 section) but just to clarify here's Ephesians 5:23:
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
So Christs headship is directly expressed by the husbands headship. Paul doesn't seem to suggest there's an alternative, God-centered marriage relationship where this is optional or the couple gets to tell Jesus Christ how they will honour his headship.
I think a good example for those who may not be comfortable with this is Aaron's relationship to his own brother, Moses. It's found in Exodus 7 if you want to see what I mean by that, though I may make a further comment on it to clarify.
I don't think this is a life-death issue but if the Bible says it I just want to affirm God's Word. Many blessings.
If husband and wife disagree, it is not healthy to stunt the resolution process. Pray and work it out until a solution suitable to both is found. I believe God can grant that "oneness" in actuality if we seek Him. If the wife steps back, even though she still feels strongly opposed to whatever the husband is wanting, that is a false unity.
I've watched this entire series, and I'm only 1 hour into this video, but a simple sentence came to my mind.
"It's almost as if the simple answer is the correct one."
If Peter said it, if Paul said it, and if God throughout the OT said it, then it's probably true, regardless of what some people's delicate modern sensibilities want.
Yeah mate it's like you go around in this massive circle to only arrive at what was obvious in the first place lol
"Delicate modern sensitivities" will be okay once they realize men are there to lovingly serve and guide their wives. Most men don't do this these days. The ones who do are happily married.
@@blahblahblah4544 the fall has broken men and women and we bring those sinful attitudes and behaviors into our relationships. And the church struggles with these issues because often they have left their source of authority of the Scripture. But both Men and Women need to be brought back into submission to the word of GOD
@Bav92 Marriages should have shared respect, and the man should love the woman enough to die for her, even die for her daily, putting her needs above his own (Ephesians 5).
Show me your stats that marriages with "shared submission" last longer. Show me that it leads to unhappiness.
As for all of this, do you know better than God does? Does the inventor of a creature know better than the creature how it works and what's best for it? When the mechanic designs and engine and writes a manual as to how to operate it, does the engine know better than the manual?
So, regardless of what post-modern humans think, they don't know what's best, their Creator does, and the entirety of Scripture describes this theme. So, the only way to throw out this command is to throw out most of Scripture, and that isn't Christianity (following Christ) anymore!
(As for your comment about men thinking they deserve to have them, that is at best a non sequitur and at worst a straw man.)
@Bav92 The stats for "Christian" marriages aren't what you were referencing. The stats for Christian marriages, where both attend church regularly (so, are much more likely to actually be Christian and not just claim it) are much, much better than secular marriages. Intrinsic Christianity actually works, go figure!
Stats showing a higher pain threshold are a good thing!
Show me your stats on pain in intercourse. I can show you stats that women who are "religious" (and in the US this correlates highly to Christian) report better sex than *every other group*!
Let's look up the stats on if "religious" women in the US report more happiness, less use of anti-depressants, shall we?
Your claim on headship is just that, a baseless claim. A democracy of 2 doesn't work, and I don't know why I have to say things that obvious!
Does the maker of the engine know more about how to take care of it than the engine does?
Look up InspiringPhilosophy's video on "Is Christianity Harmful?".
Dude, I'm not sure how many days I've spent watching a little bit each day. It blows my mind that you did it all live. I appreciate your dedication and organization, that you'd be able to keep going even when your brain started getting tired. Thanks for taking the time to figure it out, put the information together, and share it.
It’s clear you spent a significant amount of time researching to provide this teaching. I watched all the previous 8 videos & I’m finishing up part 9 now. Thank you!! It has been very helpful & insightful! I’m fairly new to your channel & I want you to know I’m really getting a lot out of your content. I appreciate what you are doing here!
What causes fear in me is that many Conservative Christian men I have met think the submit means they get to be the supreme ruler in the home. There is no understanding of the respect and card of their wife. So glad you gave a full understanding of the Biblical view of marriage.
Actually God's word is clear that that's exactly what it means, your husband is the ruler of the household. Most of these statements by women on this issue are very eye opening, and says nothing good or redeeming about western women, as most statements are women trying stubbornly to rewrite and reinterpret God's very clear commandments on the wives place in the family. It is therefore not suprising at all that of 100 percent of divorces, 80 percent are initiated by the wife. It's amazing that that statistic alone shows clearly that Americas excessive divorce problem is primarily a female problem. You western "women" are just no good, you won't even listen to and obey God's simple but precise commands.
Yeah in my experience men tend to focus on the wife's part and women tend to focus on the husband's part. I just need to love my wife and give her space to figure out how she will submit to me.
@@skwabo This is probably a reaction to the over emphasis of the equality of women or total neglect of biblical submission as a topic so the men swung the other way to unbiblical lording over their wives. I used to be in this camp and had to reevaluate what the scripture said and then do my part despite what my wife might be doing.
Absolutely
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I think you got this wrong way around.
History will tell you that lording over your wife came first. Equality question came into play only in a last couple of centuries.
This is like a Marvel movie run time.
Mike Winger will return in
Women in Ministry.
It's really amazing how much work thorough refutation takes. Ignorance and false doctrine takes only seconds to make up and justify, but the length of endgame to take apart...
laughing at this rn
Mike is Bible thinker Man!
Is it thorough refution or mindful thought out speculation ... take the instructions for wives and husbands as a whole ..then if there is any acting like an unbeliever the word says what we are to do ... take up your cross. @@TheTrenchesYT
My father was a pastor, and his district superintendent told my mother she should be “nothing but a puppy dog licking at your husband’s heels”-ULTRA-submission! Daddy never required that of her, but she always endeavored to be submissive to him in a balanced way and taught my brothers and me to do the same, deferring to him as head of the household. They are both in heaven now, and I am a single woman living alone. I constantly see the value of having a male covering and a man to take care of, provide for and guide me-probably more so because I DON’T have that in my life. I took my dad’s headship in the household for granted, but greatly miss it and him now!
😢 I’m sorry for your loss.
I’m sorry that your Daddy isn’t around anymore. You are stronger than you know. Submit to your King HE will guide you.
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Husband, not king.
Oh! Dear brother pastor Mike Winger! may God give u grace grace grace and more grace2 u for what u are doing for the Body ! I pray for grace coz I have seen with my own eyes wht grace can do in our lives! Bless u
“I want my husband to be another child I have to take care of” said no woman ever.
Mike. You did good. Please don’t let people’s comments deflect the truth from the Bible. Much appreciated
Thanks for the giggle with your first opening lines. Looking forward to the rest of your teaching.
Brother, that may have felt like a marathon, but you sure are running to win the prize!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼 Thanks for your faithful, Biblical, honest teaching. ♥️
Thank you so much for the hours and hours of hard work you put into preparing all your teachings. All your effort is greatly appreciated. I’ve learned so much from you not only about the specific topics you’ve addressed but about how to apply the Bible to every aspect of life. I grew up in church and always felt like I knew the Bible very well, but since I’ve started watching your channel, my knowledge and understanding of the Bible has grown exponentially. I have been so blessed by your teachings. I’m glad your health is improving at least a little, and I will continue to pray for you. God bless you and your ministry.
I just want to thank you for doing this series and putting so much research, time and effort into it. This has been a topic that I have struggled with as long as I have known about it. Whenever I asked questions I never got a thoughtful reply but was told that’s just the what the Bible says. I have loved hearing both sides of the discussion and what the Bible actually supports. Thank you so much for doing this, you have really strengthened and helped encourage me and helped grow my relationship with God!
Great video Mike! I rarely comment on your videos because I'm not triggered by you(lol), but I love your unapologetic teachings of scripture. Thank you for all you do. We don't need to make excuses for the Bible, we just need to teach it's true meaning.
Crap your video was so long I forgot what I was going to say. I wanted to say that I don't like when you apologize about long videos. I love them and I totally appreciate how much work goes into a video like this. Thank you so much!
well he does sort of apologize along the lines of slavery, the bible's very clear that slaves should obey their masters, and submit to them, from exodus through to 1st peter, or ephesians etc. That's both indentured servants, and literal slaves taken from pagan nations as commanded by God. in a previous video mike pretended that all slavery in israel was indentured servitude, which isn't correct, they were permitted and in some cases commanded to take slaves from neighbouring nations via conquest, at which point if a man took a woman from a neighbouring nation as part of his spoil, he had to keep her 30 days before being allowed to marry her (the woman didn't get a say in this it would appear, at this point as part of his spoil she was essentially his property, just like any wife, or daughter is according to Gods law) God's also clear you can sell your daughter into servitude, and sell her to be married etc as well, he's also clear that you can marry multiple women (something else mike apologized for, and then literally added to scripture, saying "God allowed that for a time so that women wouldn't become prostitutes", which as you can probably guess, is written NOWHERE in the bible, whatsoever, he also twisted scripture to infer that Jesus talking about divorce, was somehow talking about men having multiple wives, which again, is a laughable thing the modern church does because of how THEY feel, about the issue, and not how God feels about it. Mike as much as i like him, and i like him a LOT, very much apologizes for the teachings of scripture, and adds to it like many modern preachers in order to satisfy how THEY want to think about God, instead of accepting God for WHO HE IS) God bless and keep you, i hope this has been helpful
@@stevesmith7843 we're saying the same thing. I don't need to defend Mike though. My point is that he teaches those things unapologetically in my eyes. Pretending the Bible didn't say those things or apologizing for the Bible saying those things is not what we need. So I'm sorry if you took my "unapologetically" statement differently than I meant it. All I meant was that he teaches through tough issues instead of avoiding them. That may be the definition of apologetics but in my opinion he does it unapologetically
@@stevesmith7843 I think he has a much better understanding of history and the Bible “in context” than many people or preachers do.
Ok, I really get you Joshua Bryan. But to say we just need to teach its true meaning, I think you may be saying in Mike's view he's teaching what he feels is the true meaning and you are very glad he does that. There are many other great theologians out there (for decades) that hold different views and interpretations of the very same scripture. This is where we are focusing on definitions of truth above the greatest command to 'love the lord your God with all your heart, your soul, your mind and your strength'. Jesus is an alive person in a real body, words on a page, scripture, is not to be idolised above relationship with Jesus himself.
I’m rewatching this program in preparation to the last one. I didn’t know why I had to watch it again, I wanted to experience the finale. But God….
I am a 1970’s woman who balanced God , family & working outside the home. I craved my husband would take that headship role but we were babies playing house. My marriage ended in an ugly divorce. Because of issues from the first time, I only looked at a future co-parent for my babies who was physically strong. God gave me a wonderful husband who met many of the things I determined I needed. But,I was the stronger believer & I actually enjoyed that fact. And honestly I stunted our marriage & his spiritual growth for many years. I have repented & love the man God has blessed me to serve.
Then you mentioned the ’ weaker’ vessel & I cried. I’m not lesser, I am precious. That was what I needed to hear. I needed this strong man to physically protect me. He loved taking care of me. But now he actually is my lord, not my body guard.
Thank you for this awesome series. My husband and I are about to share a ministry in our church very dear to us & I am thankful even these many years later my husband is strong in mind, body & FAITH, debby
I have been cycling through TH-cam videos while working today. The opening line caught my attention. That's the first thing the officiant said at my wedding! My mother-in-law thought the person had a speech impediment. It was hilarious. Thanks for the little laugh and wonderful lesson!
This is the most valuable 3 hours i have so far spent on yt. Thanks for this powerful and insightful information pastor Mike.
Mike-“This will probably be the longest one in the series”
Me coming across this months later with access to the whole series-😅😂😂😂
For real though, I’m grateful for this series. I know it’s about women in ministry, but I came across it as I am on a journey to truly discover biblical femininity and womanhood and this series is equal good for that, as well. Thank you for taking so much time to dive deep into these issues.
Thank you for being a Berean for all of us!!! Your time in research is praiseworthy. May God continue to bless the work of your hands.
Just want you to know, holy wife, happy God is my new mantra 🤣💯
Yeah, I like it too! I wrote it in my Bible under that passage!
All people really need is Wuv truuu Wuv, God bless you Mike and all.
Too funny.
As I have listened to your analysis of both Calvinism and Egalitarianism, I find that both schools of thought have one common theme...the necessity to do extreme hermeneutical gymnastics to justify their position rather than a plain reading of God's Word. To me, that is always a red flag in any line of thinking.
Thank you for your thorough scholarship in all areas. You model the type of sola scriptura pastor I want to be.
So...what is your view?
Ok. A pastor that studies the Bible correctly, shares both sides of a discussion, AND opens with quotes from the best movie, Ever!
Wow! God has blessed us all. 😊
This is your dissertation. Whether you ever get the title of PhD or not, you definitely proved your mettle.
Never thought about it that way, but yeah, I'm wondering if it could be.
The problem with a secular person looking at this is they equate the turmoil in their own marriage to convert into a Christian patriarch marriage. I don't know about all married persons that call themselves Christian, but my marriage is quite tranquil in nature. It is virtually a non-happening that I take a stand in anything, or that I shoot down my wife's ideas. I consider her thoughts and feelings as my own and I stand to serve her and at times lead into something challenging.
That is an exact reversion from what the Bible says it should be. It is your wife who should follow your lead and not take a stand in anything but rather consider your thoughts as her thoughts and stand to serve you in everything. You dishonor your head (Christ) by living this way.
I was talking with a feminist friend about this topic just last week. I quickly went through the 1 Corinthians and Ephesians passages, as I didn't want to bore her (she's not a believer: pray for her!), and I pointed out that the Ephesians passage starts out with "submit to each other," and THEN breaks it down into HOW we are to submit to each other, what that submission in each partner looks like. She was like, "Thanks! Nobody's ever explained it like that to me before; that makes a lot of sense." Unbelievers want to focus on the first half (only) of Ephesians 5, verse 22, and put a misogynistic spin on it... but never tell anyone about verse 21, which is the cornerstone of the passage.
My essay on Deborah might impress her??
My christian mother told me today that the role of women that are single is to wait on men. Women are not supposed to earn more than the man. She said, the man determines if she works or she stays at home because women are made for men. either ways the bible is sexist, and your feminist friend if she is not brainwashed will find out soon
Mutual submission is of the devil. You know that verse 21 is not talking about in marriage! Verse 21 is setting up the submission order! Wives submit to husbands, children submit to their parents,slaves submit to masters. Never husbands submit to wives! We are twisted if we think Christ is supposed to submit to his church. So, If the husbands represents Christ and the wives represents the church,how can you possibly think husbands are to submit to wives? No way hosea!
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Men that need wives that are yes-women,
women that always agree with their husbands,
are weak men.
@@andrewgadson89 women dont get married if your partner views you as slaves. That is an abuse trait and this person is showing you his red flag.
Thank you for another "lightbulb!" How the terms submit, respect, subject, honor, love, head, body between husbands and wives are all clarified quantitatively and qualitatively in Christ!
I absolutely LOVE this series! Now, I do not agree with all the conclusions you reach, but I respect your work, study, passion and genuine love that you clearly have for the work, and for those who watch your content. You truly reach your objective of getting us to think Biblically.
my thoughts 2!!! Lala
Out of curiosity, which conclusions do you disagree with?
@@benwooley2859I am curious to know as well. I shall not judge you @jeffalexander195 for it,, and I kindly ask that no one else judges your opinion. This should be a safe space for you to speak your mind. 😊
I pray I am bold about God’s word not needing to make excuse nor defend what God has said is good. Amen.
This WiM series has been a useful study and the best way of putting biblical complementarianism I've found, thank you Mike.
Re: the weaker vessel, I've seen concerns about this verse over men who would be the weaker one (due to disability/health issues, for example). In regards to that, I note that the point of the passage itself is less about physical strength and more about how husbands are to honor and care for their wives, just like the other passages about it.
THANK YOU for teaching this unpopular TRUTH!!! I have lived both sides of this culture war. In my youth I sided with culture as I am a product of the 1960’s. Now at 60, God has been so faithful in keep His promises me as I conform in faith and obedience to HIM in relationship with my husband. We are married 40 years next year after tumultuous years of rebellion and pride. My husband surrendered to Jesus AFTER he saw me SURRENDER to JESUS and the WORD! The most powerful tool for me is prayer and a quiet spirit! Hallelujah! I want, so much for younger women to understand the blessings that come from doing this GODS way!!!! My husband loves and respects me more than ever since he has seen Jesus change my heart. AND I can TRUST my husband to do only after consulting GOD for guidance!! Therefore, in compromising with my husband I am allowing God to move in our marriage. If he makes a decision without God’s guidance, the consequences are his. Thanks for teaching this in obedience and courage!!! Brother, you are in my prayers!
Thanks for another great Bible study, Mike. I agree with you that a simple reading of the text informs a complementarian worldview. This is how I saved my marriage, by studying God's will and submitting to it and my husband. Even though he's agnostic, it makes the relationship much better. Though very simple, these passages were the perfect antidote to the ingrained feminism and resentment I carried from being raised in a western culture. (They also helped my relationship with my father.) I pray this teaching will be far-reaching and as impactful as it has been in my life.
Thank you Pastor Mike. The genuine respect to the Word and ability to dive into sources that most of us can't is helpful.
I love the head and body analogy of husband and wife, because it's a good picture. The body does sumbit to the head, in that the body obeys the signals from the brain; however, the brain/head still has to respect and cherish the body also. If I were to not eat and not drink and then try to run a marathon after not training, my body is going to stop and say, "Yeah we're done. We're going to collapse on the floor and not move, because we can't anymore." So a husband has to treat his wife well. He can't just expect her to perfectly obey his every command with no problem if he doesn't take care of her.
I LOVE your teachings....thank you! Yes, I understand this from reading the Bible, but to hear your reasons and how you take it all apart and explain it is very wonderful and insightful. God Bless You, Mike. Thank you.
I absolutely hate when men say “happy wife, happy life.” It is equivalent to a confession of weakness and poor leadership in my estimation for the most part. It is similar to saying “I am a people pleaser.”
A woman cannot respect that. She wants a man who cares more about the truth than her feelings and will gladly-not just reluctantly-stand firm in the face of her unpleasant moods to champion truth and justice.
Let’s be stronger, more courageous, and more righteous for our women men.
Makes her sound like a manipulative tyrant too 👎
I vote for a neutral “happy spouse, happy house.” That way it goes both ways; when the couple is in harmony, so is the whole family.
@@Window4503 amen!
@@bygraceonly182 "husband is the head of wife" frankly makes men sound like abusive tyrants too.
Maybe I also want respect. Maybe respect should be MUTUAL, hello?
I've been marries 36 years and I too loathe that phrase. Some women (and men) you can't make happy.
I thank God for you Mike!!! For doing all this work, for bringing clarity to Gods word, for trying to always stay true to scripture … thank you!
3 hour long video! Cannot wait until this weekend to sit down and take note! Thank you for all you do Pastor Mike!
Aahhh note taking. Great idea. I normally don’t have time to sit and listen so I’m always on the run while listening but that’s a great idea
Regarding 1 Peter 3:1, while it is normally assumed that the husband is an unbeliever, I would suggest that this might also apply to husbands who are believers but who are in some manner disobeying the word. The word apeitheo can be translated either disbelieving or disobeying. (A more specific word for unbeliever is apistos, which Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 7:13.) One reason we assume he's an unbeliever is we see the word "won," which in our vernacular applies to salvation. However, the word kerdaino simply means gained, which might be understood more broadly. For example, in Matthew 18:15 it speaks of "gaining" a brother when he is confronted with his offense.
I think a more common problem in marriages is not that the wife is a believer and the husband is not, but that the wife perceives her husband is not following the word as closely as he should. When this is the case, it seems that Peter has provided her with three specific tactics for "gaining" his return to obedience: silence, respect, and pure conduct.
Really good contribution this. I was actually thinking it reminds me of Pauls attitude to evangelism where he's willing to be all things to all people(which he covers in various ways but the idea of following customs to spread the gospel is a common theme). Paul didn't concern himself with his pride as a Jew, he just submits his life to make sure people hear the good news.
I think it's a lot like the wife is living out James 3 kind of wisdom. V17 says 'But the wisdom from above is first of all pure. It is also peace loving, gentle at all times, and willing to yield to others. It is full of mercy and good deeds. It shows no favoritism and is always sincere.'
In doing this she fulfills James' concluding remarks in chapter 5:
My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.
So you can save your husband by bringing him into the faith or simply from helping to keep him off the path of evil.
@@zacdredge3859 Does this mean that women should just accept any bad behaviour just to bring him to Christ? Does she have boundaries?? Does she have standards? Should she just go with anything at her own expense???
@@sakuraesther6309 if you are having the Holy Spirit guiding you and seek God by reading the word and prayer you will have wisdom and humility to know the answer. Always be praying for your husband to be Christlike and stop nagging, constantly needing your opinion heard.
Dont submit to the sin. Pray about everything else. Use biblical problem solving ...
@@sakuraesther6309 - What Peter has to say in 1 Peter 3 about submission actually starts out in Chapter 2:18. I urge you to read the whole thing as it brings context:
"Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are harsh. For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person endures grief when suffering unjustly. For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps,," (1 Peter 2:18-21)
Notice that servants are to submit to their (harsh, cruel, unjust, unfair, crooked, etc.) masters even if it causes them to SUFFER. Peter tells us that if we patiently endure suffering while doing what is right (what God tells us to do) that it brings FAVOR to us from the Lord. I know that suffering is not a popular theme these days but verse 21 actually tells us that because we are Christians that we are CALLED to suffer (because Christ suffered for us) and that He gave us an example of how we are to handle it.
In the very next breath, Peter says: "In the same way, you wives, be subject to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, as they observe your pure conduct with fear. (1 Petr 3:1-2)
In the same way, wives are to submit to their husbands and show them good and respectful behavior, even if while being obedient to the Lord, it causes them to suffer, But if they patiently endure that suffering (out a a conscience toward the Lord), that brings them FAVOR from the Lord. Notice verse 20 says that if you are suffering for doing what is wrong, there is no benefit from it.
Too many women these days are suffering in their marriages but they are suffering for doing what is wrong and the bible tells them (in essence) they are getting what they deserve. More times than not, all that is required for Christian wives to end the suffering they are having in their marriage (even to a lost man) is for them to just stop doing what is wrong and to start doing what God tells them to do. Then, for the very few that are still suffering (after they start doing what is right), God tells them that if they patiently endure it for His sake, it will bring them favor from Him.
What might this favor look like, well it could be that their lost husband is won to the Lord and becomes saved! That was my fathers testimony. I was a teenager before my father got saved and he credited my mothers submission and respectful behavior toward him (that deep inside he knew he did not deserve) that drew him to Christ. It could also mean that God does a work in your saved husband to cause him to be a better Christian. Notice that change is not going to come from what you might say to your husband, it's going to come from what you do (your actions).
I will say that Godly submission to your husband does NOT include you personally sinning. You obey God before you obey man but (before refusing), make sure that what you are being asked to do is an actual sin and not just something you don't like or are uncomfortable with.
"His focus is on love, not him being in control." Exactly, this is why the leadership mantle as husbands isn't about a dominance/power thing.
Thank you for this teaching. God has clearly anointed you to bring clarity and Truth!
Pastor Mike,
Thank you so much for this series!
I've been a complementerian without knowing this phrase, but always struggled with what headship, submission, truly meant. I learned through the series that "men is the priest of the home" is not biblical. I find it relieving. I thing this gets the pressure off women who are struggling whether to marry a man who is not above her let's say spiritually or in theological knowledge. I heard this many times: "Oh,I need a man who can be the priest of our home."
And it takes the pressure of men too. Yes, they need to be head of their family, but not the priest.
Thank you again!
Also I am more confident in teaching as a woman then before. (I heard the extreme complementarian views before and was a bit concerned about what I do.)
Thank you so much Pastor Mike for this in depth study! It has truly been a blessing to me in helping me see how I need to adjust my perspective to have a more Biblically based life and outlook. God bless you and your work!
The head coverings video will be the MOST important video in the series for me, because the tradition I'm leaving (and my mom is still in) uses that passage to say women can NEVER cut their hair, and doing so is basically sinful, cuts them off from spiritual power and all sorts of crazy stuff...
Yes I know about Heiser's view on it. I'm still working through whether I agree with it, and I'm hoping Mike can bring some clarity.
Here is the clarity for the head covering and why.
The mind of the wife is on her husband, the mind of the husband is on Jesus, and the mind of Jesus is on God.
Every man praying and prophesying against any teaching of Jesus, dishonors himself.
For example "Can I see your ....."
This prayer opposes the teaching Jesus gave for looking away. But anyone who prays "Could you cover up your ...." Honors himself and God.
How do they get from head coverings to haircuts?
@@stephengray1344 The passage does talk about hair, and ends with this:
1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV - Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
@@stephengray1344 Because this is talking about Honor and Glory. The glory of the woman "naturally" is her hair. The glory of the man "naturally" is to hear him talk. In other words the reason someone looks at someone. For its only polite one looks at you when your speaking at them.
Make sure you keep the context, for this teaching is specifically when the church members gather during the first day of the week for their sharing with each other the first fruits of their gifts God gave them.
The men already had enough reason for looking at the women, but when it was time for the presentations of God's word, "Especially the part where the blessing happened on the food." Each should listen to the blessing made by the one man. For most other times the woman speaks and the man listens, and the reason for this is because man takes his "bread" (his words) and "interrupts himself"(aka breaking the bread) and "hears her complaints"(aka drinks the wine). For this is how we lay down "what we feel like talking about" to communicate with the women. And since this teaching is for the men. It is more appropriate that another man tells the man "in the nice way of the harse term" (shut up and listen). For if the woman say shut up and listen, this just makes her look bossy, and this isn't ment for the women in Christ. So the message is supposed to come from the man.
In other words, how the women do the hair is their own thing. In those day long hair was the style. So Paul was taking advantage of this local custom.
Therefore the woman can wear the hair however they wish.
Also for example if the son needs food and clothes and she prays for his food and clothes. She's got him "covered".
And as the man like when the wife think of him and cooks him something yummy. Likewise God likes it when we think of his template, and do good at each other.
In the name of the Lord Is (who they translate as Jesus Christ). Amen
@@Ordinal_Yoda Where are you getting the idea that hearing a man talk is his glory? 1 Cor 11:7 specifically says that "woman is the glory of man."
So my hair is my glory, and I am my husband's glory. When I cover my head to pray, it leaves the glory of God as the only glory that's on display. The whole passage is a lot less complicated than people like to make it.
I’m so thankful Mike is around to interpret passages in the most convenient and non-critical way!
Excellent and worth listening to the very end! 🙏🏼
Amazing teaching! So thorough and yet digestible. Thank you for working through this so deeply so we can have a Biblical understanding of the dynamic God would want for our marriages. It’s invaluable in our current culture, or any culture, really. May we all live our lives to the glory of God!! I’ll be watching this again a couple times to be sure it all sticks!! 🤓👍✝️
I agree with you 100%! I tend to think of submission as respect and trust.
The description also tells husband how to act too. It is a two way street. The descriptors are ideals. A godly man will be loving, a woman will naturally trust and respect a loving husband.
Visa versa, a woman who respects and trust her husband will cause a man to naturally love her. Not rocket science. It is about making us stronger in our weaknesses. Marriage is about maturity.
Respect and honor come more naturally to men and love and nurture come more naturally to women. In ideal situations. Unfortunately, life is not ideal and there is a lot of hurt and abuse starting in childhood that can perverse these characteristics and bring a lot of strife into relationships. But thankfully Jesus gives us a second chance to change our hearts and minds and gives us examples to work towards.
EDIT: I see you talked about this later in your talk. Oops. Lol
Dumb
@@sarabara333 Care to elaborate on what you find dumb? I am willing to hear you out.
I love these teachings, and I tend to be domineering and nagging. 🙄
I listen while I'm at work (housekeeper to wealthy Jews), so the length of the videos is no bother. 🥰
How blessed is your wife to have such a wise husband.
Holy wife..... Happy God. I want that on a t shirt. 😆❤️
Hmm, what about 'Holy bride, in God abide'.
Honestly, this series has been so helpful for me for more reasons than even just the issue of women in ministry. It has helped clarify many things I misunderstood about ecclesiology in general.
I’ve appreciated this series so much. It’s a topic that I have avoided for years because it’s so big and I hate conflict. I’ve always been pretty certain that scripture affirms some sort of male headship and also affirms women using their gifts to build up the body, and have just tried to do the best I can to be faithful while relying heavily on Gods grace if I mess it up. I so appreciate your insistence on the sacrednesses of handling Gods word correctly and not allowing our emotions to culture to override scripture. When is he next one coming out???
This applies to many men these days. By avoiding conflict they let their marriage deteriorate. "Happy wife, happy life" avoids conflict, but in the long run leads to disrespect and dissatisfaction in the marriage.
@@ericjames7819 it may apply to many men, but I’m not one of them, I’m a girl 😁 I more meant internal conflict and watching other people in conflict while doing research. You’re right that it’s irresponsible to avoid it because of that but I’m just being honest about what’s kept me from pursuing this secondary issue 🤷🏻♀️ it’s not good, it’s just reality. I’m grateful for this series 💜
Amazing video, amazing series, amazing effort and level of commitment...
Thank you so much for all your hard work - God knew we needed someone like you to share His Truth regardless of any potential criticism, mockery or hatred. You have a hard but crucial mission - your content is definitely life and world changing.🙏🙏
Keep up the good fight and also, “Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven”🤍
There’s a commonality between progressives in politics and progressives in religion…
They redefine words
Non Playable: So, so true
With that understanding... lets go back to The Fathers divine words including his name etc. 😅🙏🏽
@@RandommomfromOntario elaborate
Great job with this one. As usual. I appreciate all the effort that is put into these teachings. Not surprised it wore Mike out, it took me a few days to get though this one. 😆
When I am searching for insight on a Biblical topic. .I always search "topic" Winger. . Always on point Biblically. .TY
Same
Exactly
Funny how there needs to be 9 parts to this it’s so very clear yet people refuse to look at what is simple written on the page. The world hates it and the world doesn’t know what is right.
Yep, very often God says something and then we respond with, but I think it should work like this. As if we’ve thought up a better way to do things. And even we you respect God on one issue you can still struggle with another. We really hate letting someone else be in control.
I think he spends a lot of time refuting every egalitarian argument that twists what the scriptures say. The Bible is straightforward. But he is just taking time to correct all these bad interpretations. Which I like how he patiently and lovingly does this.
Yes. When presented with "Wives submit to your husband's as unto the Lord" the egalitarian response is "Well, what it really means is.....".
You can see the fruit of egalitarian marriages. The woman loses more and more respect for her husband and becomes more unsatisfiewith their relationship.
Thank you so much for the time and energy spent doing this. I waited for a realllly long time to watch this series because I already knew where i stood, but its good to hear the other side's arguments (or lack thereof).
What i love about hearing you in this series is the obvious endearment you hold for your wife and women in general. It's one of the few times youve gotten a little riled up (righteously I would say), and the other times i remember have to do with the sacredness of Scripture. It is beyond clear you hold women in high regard, and not at the putting down of men. We NEED this good balance so much right now. Thank you for upholding the things that truly do matter, and doing it in such a way of grace and care. It has been such a blessing to witness. Thanks again.
Submission is actually admiration and respect for a male spouse. Who doesn't thrive knowing that their spouse (male or female) prays for them and loves them in spite of their weaknesses.
Thank you so much for persevering with this. We're blessed worldwide, not just in the USA. Once again, timely teaching, especially considering the way the Baptist Union here in the UK is drifting from the authority of Scripture.....
Imagine getting on a plane. There is a pilot and a co-pilot.
But on our plane, both pilot and co-pilot hold the controls at the same time and are allowed to make independent decisions, or actions at the same time.
The issue of husband and wife, is about an organized and functional family structure, and the voluntary agreement as to the structure and roles.
We, wives, are co-pilots.
I’m egalitarian and I love this view.
I’m egalitarian and I love this view.
Meaning you still want to hold on to some degree of control.
So you don’t understand the pilot co-pilot relationship.
@@MyName-tj4zj How so?
Bless you mike. I love your style in teaching the word of our heavenly father. Shalom.🙏
HEADCOVERINGS - Randy Kay (TH-cam channel) interviewed a woman who had a series of NDEs before she had a knowledge of the Bible - and said was told by God to cover her head when she prayed. The woman then always did so. Upon raising this with her experienced Christians friends, they showed her the scripture about the need for women to cover their heads when they pray.
Thank you! You are right. We could have gotten to the same bottom line with just our Bible, but sooooo thankful you took the time to explain all this. It helped me understand the Egalitarian position, even though I don’t agree with it. Simply put: Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church and wives submit to your husbands as the Church does to Christ. A picture of God’s great mystery revealed, The Church. It’s almost like God planned it. ❤😊 Can’t wait to listen to more.
That is so funny, first time I've ever watched a YT video where the host just pops off for a pee. Love it 🤣
Thank you pastor Mike for the work you put into this. I am so glad that I have this for a resource. I have done. A lot of study on this myself and you have done such a great job compiling it into one spot. And so much more
Greetings from Uganda. Even though I struggle with many Bible teachers I really love your teaching and especially the humility with which you present it.
As a Bible teacher myself I am empowered more by what you teach.
I also wanted to add to this that starting from Genesis (ch3 vs16) would also be a good thing for this topic: God explains the natural order that becomes corrupted with the fall -from " 'lordship' and 'submission' " relationship between man and woman respectively that was based on love to a " lordship and submission " relationship that then become corrupted because of the forbidden fruit.
Mike did start with Genesis in one of the earlier videos in this series. 😀
@@salvadaXgracia OOOOOPS! Sorry. This is my first. Will look for the others. Thanks
Love your videos, mike! Thanks so much for being thoughtful and thorough. God bless.
Wow, when Mike pulled out the Aristotle quote showing how submission between wife and husband is different from master and slave, my respect for his scholarly effort and love for God's word went through the roof.
My heart actually sank when he referenced Aristotle. Here are a few quotes from Aristotle about women that are important for this discussion:
"The male is by nature superior, and the female inferior."
"Women are unfinished men."
"Men have more teeth than women, the female as it were, a mutilated male"
"Compared to men, women are immature, deficient, deformed, they are even a bit monstrous"
"Men have hotter blood than women, and are generally more perfect"
"Trust not a woman when she weeps, for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will"
"The female is by virtue a certain lack of qualities, a natural defectiveness"
I imagine that we should caution ourselves before exhalting Aristotle as any kind of thought leader on this topic.
Mike says submission isn’t about micromanagement. What do the ladies do who are being micromanaged into exhaustion?
The men in the Biblical Patriarchy movement are telling men they’re supposed to micromanage.
You are absolutely right about not teaching anything that you couldn't get from just reading your Bible. The truth is that your can't become egalitarian from reading the Bible. Egalitarians get their ideas from our modern western culture and then try to bend the Bible to fit what they want to believe.
Thank you for being a trusted voice in this noisy world we le in. GB
I'm still hoping Mike will address the topic of single and divorced women in the church, as different from the widow (or are we)? PS Love your you tube channel 💕
Not exactly sure what you are looking for but 1 Tim 5 discusses it. God bless.
Thank you. I have prayed and asked God for wisdom and knowledge. And to guide me through bible study. You just happened to pop up on my TH-cam, and I started listening to you. You were talking about divorce and remarriage. It was so eye-opening... I am thankful it seems the Lord heard me. And lead me to your channel
I hope nobody uses this against you Mike 38:28 oops 😂
I really loved your take on this topic and I'm trying to learn this well to be a husband worth submitting to when I get married soon in the future.
I love your insightful and informative videos, but I have to shout out the Princess Bride reference at the beginning, was really cute & funny! Put a smile on my face for sure!
Love the Princess Bride quote
My marriage was doomed to die; without Christ and His work in me, and also in my husband to lead, we would have failed. I give God all the Glory for the nearly twenty years with my beloved ❤️
The common sense, 2 cent version is if there is mutual submission to Jesus Christ, wifely submission to the husband isn't an issue.
Wonderful, in-depth study, Mike. Thanks for all your hard work!
Love your opening line! Thank you for the video!😁
Mike, thank you so much… can you please emphasize how in genuine abuse, gaslighting, criminal behavior, drugs, hurting selves or others, etc CALLS a woman NOT to submit to enabling, to silence, to acting like nothing is wrong “forgiving” with no repentance ,
I doubt he will. He had a really weak argument in support of women who needed church intervention(Mathew 5) in cases of abuse. He seemed to insinuate that most cases of abuse were not as serious as the wife made it out to be. Very disappointing
If someone is abusing you, you need to leave them and seek help. Period end of story. I don’t care who it is.
Nobody ever has solid information or guidelines because the Bible doesn’t give any information of this. Women were owned in biblical times. Abuse or not, no one cared.
Thank you for bringing up the impact on Sarah when Abraham was called. As a woman, that has always been MINDBLOWING to me!
(I didn't watch the video.)
Check out Deborah if not mentioned.
I was eating crackers when the video started and I almost exploded laughing. Well played, Mike. Well played.
Excellent job exegeting the texts! Much needed clarification of this issue!
The modern equivalent to "my lord" is "ME LAIRD!" delivered in a really poor Scottish accent with gusto. Like, geeky Ren Faire style. That's what I call my husband. Great series!
I'm going to have to use that! 😂
It's easy to see how culture-bowing scholars would go out of their way to twist and missinterpret scripture to prove some point foreign to the original historical setting and authorial intent...
Thank you, Pastor Mike, for your agonizing labor to bring truth and clarity!
Shalom
Thank you for rebuking “happy wife, happy life”. It’s such an unbiblical saying that is said from the pulpit. A man’s purpose is not to make us wife happy, and his happiness should not be dependent on the whims of a woman.
Incredible work, and off the cuff. You've quickly justified the large amount of time and focus I've devoted to your channel. Please continue to share your gift with His flock.