The worse part about explosive weapons is it counts each hit location a target has, head/torso/arms/legs/extra locations. Add hitting multiple targets you get insane degradation on weapons that shouldn't degrade much at all when firing.
Yeah it's crazy man I use one too ,I also use the two shot fatman broadsider and missile launcher regularly, with gunsmith 5 lick of the draw 3 and double repair them.i can't even use the targeting computer on the missile launcher because it makes it so much worse than it already is
Honestly don't think they will bother fixing it because repair kits are in the game. At least they should put a repair bench in the tent, guess that will never happen either. Also i don't know if you can verify this but i remember my weapons breaking alot less before repair kits were introduced, i feel like something was changed in the code when they were introduced to the atomic shop.
i honestly think that the degradation feature is a lot more irritating on both F3 and FNV reason why i say this is cos they also constantly lower your DAMAGE output the more you use your weapons at least in 76 you keep the same damage the whole time and is much easier and cheaper to fix still.. weapon degradation SUCKS Thx Skyrim
That was an awesome feature are you kidding, it felt real.... and obviously the lowering of damage for the lowering of your condition bar wouldn’t be added to this game. You can fire 300 shots from a missile launcher in fallout 3 or new vegas before it breaks And in fallout 76 you can fire 10 shots before it breaks...... do you enjoy having your bibs and bobs curb stomped ? 🧐
wasn't truly kidding Tyr i always despised how demanding and tedious was the weapon's degradation on older fallout games always hated when i had to pay 1500 caps just to fix my Anti-material rifle for instance and the whole damage degrading output was something i totally hated that was also a thing in TES 4 but at least in Oblivion fixing you weapons was not a big issue since you can always find smithy hammers to repair your swords one thing i did enjoyed about 76 is that weapons will keep the same exact level of damage as long you have one point of Health in them yes is stupid BS that 2x Shoots effects apparently will cause double fatigue to the weapons but i prefer to spend scrap over 2000caps for every time i have to repair my Light machine gun you feel? btw i always thought that i much more fun to introduce the weapon's degrading feature was to make it so the weapons will never break, but to start JAMMING instead when they get very low on HP i honestly miss the jamming animations specially when it happens in those WTF moments haha but i do HATE to see my weapon breaking right in my face in the middle of combat fuck just give me Simon Belmont's unbreakable VAMPIRE KILLER CHAIN!
Damage based on weapon condition used to be a thing in F76, at least for melee weapons. You could even increase the damage of melee weapons by over-repairing them, so it wasn't all that bad.
You do know that Obsidian added a Maintenance Threshold for every weapon and armor that has it not degrade as long as the item doesnt reach that point in durability?
Dude im happy you made this vid. Ive had to use 60 improved repair kits for 2 days of grinding. And thats with the perk card that slows the degradation
Now it all makes sense I ran through westek once with my two shot explosive shotgun and it was "magic" at the time It would barely go through a run and break I just gave up on the gun it was running up my repair kits like crazy
Oh man, this really needs to get fixed. My melee character used to carry so many improved repair kits because melees are super efficient when it comes to weapon degradation. Ever since Daily Ops dropped, I started farming ultracite ammo to put up for sale in my vending machines. It didn't take long for my ranged weapons to eat through all of my repair kits.
This system works perfect for Bethesda. High end weapons that most people covet and use most often? Bethsda has the perfect solution for you. Buy repair kits from the Atomic shop!!!!!! This isn't a flaw....it's business!
Or you can loot and use public items and the salvage from said items and repair you're weapons , the only ones that would complain are people who don't salvage and loot as well as scrap and weapon repair kits are given as rewards. If you salvage and loot you don't need repair kits.
This is why i run 3 x TSE handmades on my commando / sneak build. Nice vid, Bethesda please take notice or TYR will return the helmet you sent him lol.
Now I know why I'm repairing my Explosive auto shotgun 2-3 times a day. I'm constantly on the hunt for repair materials and usually have to carry 2-3 Shotguns.
Thanks for doing this. I love it when I read posts on Reddit about this subject and there's always someone saying that the weapon degradation system doesn't need fixing. It's just because the enemies require more bullets now which make it seem like weapons break faster. The next time that I see someone make that argument I'm going to link them to this video.
If Bethesda was actually willing to improve the game by slightly reducing the value of an Atomic Shop item, then the scrapbox would have been a core feature...
So dose fire damage legendary effect also effect durability cause I’ve noticed fire damage 10mm breaks super fast even with an overshield repair at 10 intelligence?
My lvl 435 updated endgame heavy gunner build carries the two shot 33 Fat-Man,Broadsider,missile/auto grenade launcher.And the Tse 50 cal/ tse lmg at all times. They're literally the only weapons I use anymore, so I truly understand the severity of this issue. Idk if theres anything I can do in terms submitting a ticket about it. Idk how it works but maybe if enough of us shed light on the issue we can make a change like you did with God mode. I pay for fallout 1st so do usually spend 1k of my monthly atoms on repair kits for emergencies even with all the condition perks.
And each increase in crafted weapon damage decreases the weapon durability thus compounding the effect of the per projectile strike base degradation. The better your crafted weapon damage the worse it’s durability. Even with Weapon Artisan level three, you barely get back near base durability. Additionally, the Improved Repair kits do not fully repair even with the Weapon Artisan card. The damage nerf plus the weapon degradation issue is just untenable. I now craft and carry two of my favorite weapons for boss fights since one is going to break long before the boss dies Excellent video!
Thank you! Been saying this since the enemy's got buff. All this applies for armor as well. They say all this adjusting is to make the game better but everything Bethesda does just makes everything worse for the player. I think we are well deserved of some beneficial changes now..
Idk. BGS is pretty heavy into their Vault Tec roleplay. Not sure if it will fly unless theres a monkeys paw consequently lurking behind the "P.A.T.C.H." or the Placated Acts To Cause Havoc.
Hi Tyr! I agree with everything you said however I feel there is zero chance of Bethesda doing anything about it! There are so many bugs and issues still remaining that after 2 years (and with regular revenue stream coming in from repair kits) they have no incentive to make more work for themselves by reinventing the wheel...
also consider that these super-powerful, multi-shot weapons are a basic necessity for high-level play...you try dealing with multiple 60+ level feral ghouls, or super mutants without a 2-shot or explosive, with maxed perks...
Honestly, what is not broken at this point? I got annoyed with how many times i had to repair anything in the game when i did play it, weapons and armour But hey "could just buy repair kits" as some people like to say.
I noticed that when my Junkies Auto Gl hits the turrets in Harpers, that it also hits the sandbags and really ups the weapon degradation . It does 1 hit for the turret and up to 4 or more hits for sandbags ,no wonder it degrades so fast . It also counts the scorched dead statues, so hitting 2 to 3 super mutants and up to 3 or more dead scorched can be 6 or more total hits And since I use the double explosion size perk I always hit more than one target (I know its not the correct name for the perk but I can't remember it right now)
Totally agree!!! Man I have a The Dragon rifle 2 shot, explosive. The rifle is 4 shoots at once by default and with the 2 shot perk make it 8 plus the explosive perk. I got tired of using it cause its only fire one shot and brakes instanlly. I insanly stupid but know thanks to you I understood the issue. thank You!
Oh boy, I've heard it before but not that explained, now I know exactly why my explosive shotgun breaks so easily and it's not even a two shot, but that's why I also carry two more explosive shotguns, would be cool to only carry 1 or 2 instead of switching after they break but don't care that much I also use the 200% when repair and gunsmith rank 5, thanks for the vid🖤
OMG is that why I’ve stuck with melee, great video loads of information. As usual Beth won’t fixit but maybe MS will? Great work Tyr you deserve some kind of recognition, a magic gun?
This completely explains why my Two Shot Fixer breaks more than I do wind on Taco Tuesday! 😂 I’m fixing my Fixer literally every play session!! It’s horrible!
I had a TSE napalmer & most of the time I use less the 300 fuel & it's already broken.. They really need to fix that & luck of the draw don't proc as often
Keep the system (Add more hp), remove the weapon degrading from explosion hitting. I don't mind that weapon degrading based on bullets left the weapon( In my mind; two shots degrade twice as fast is okay), ....but just remove the way weapon degrading when bullet explode and hitting multiple enemies, that make no sense...
How did no one ever notice this before?? So I guess exploding palm and so on is making gauntlets degrade faster? Good job mate thanks for all your good work 👍
Yup, I can make a fusion reactor from gum,spit, and twine, that runs forever with no maintenance needed ever. But making or using or repairing a weapon that doesn't break in 20 min or less . Impossible Great Video TYR
sad that its true, i stopped bothering with gunsmith and luck of the draw because getting more damage, survivability and farming potential makes using weapons better and makes repairing them less of a chore. stupid that they look insanely helpful on paper, and that the system is designed this way.
I have Tried it? It’s like putting a bandaid over a cut to the femoral artery..... it doesn’t do jack, those perks don’t matter in this discussion as they aren’t the problem, the core mechanic itself is the problem, no matter what you do your legacy laser will break 10x faster than normal, and that needs proper addressing... not a fucking bandaid “put gunsmith on to fix it” mentality
@@TYRYT The way you said this it sounds like that melee weapons should also degrade even if they don't hit. Wich would make no sense with most melee weapons.
The latest patch negates has screwed heavy weapons bug time. In the last week all of my heavy weapons have broken so damned fast and so quickly it's frigging ridiculous. Bethesda needs to fix this NOW. Bear in mind I have cards equipped to slow down degradation and suddenly after the last patch they seem to have stopped working.
I've got a mutant's gauss shotgun as my main weapon, shot several thousands of shots with it, & i don't remember ever having to fix it. I don't have the Luck of the Draw perk card on, & the shotgun is still at full on the extended condition, so i must've used weapon artisan on it at some point, but i'm not complaining at all. My secret service & solar armours however, appear to only need to be breathed on by an enemy & they all crumble together, even the piece that has 50% more durability than normal..
Armour degradation is also broken. Since one wasteland it breaks probably either twice or three times as fast as it did before one wasteland. Its resulted in ridiculous scrap usage fixing it. You now tear through resources now. Enemy damage I reckon has increased so they tear armour apart. I shouldn't have to be fixing my Secret service arms and legs every time I log on. Super mutants who need nerfed after one wasteland are the number one armour smashers because of their ridiculous new damage output.
Sir, your view:like ratio is off the charts! Wonderfull video, wonderfully outspoken, this video is KABLAMO! I haven't been able to use my two shot bloodied explosive combat shotgun since ever, breaks after 10 shots XD Would it be possible to do a video on 50% extra durability armor breaking faster than armor that doesn't has that prefix, or would that be impossible? ~CGTv
ive been using 2shot explosive and demolition weapons since basically release. I havnt ever really used a weapon that doesnt hit multiple times with each pull of the trigger and I remember the fix at the start, when they slowed down heavy weapon degradation and i no longer needed to carry 3+ 50.cals for a sbq fight. Only finding out about this bug now i feel kinda stupid, so thanks to bringing it to light for me but now begs the real question... whats it like to use a weapon that doesnt degrade so fast? Ive always thought that was normal lol
Honestly why I’ve moved away from using my TSE Handmade many months ago. It was just not worth the upkeep or risk the chance of it breaking during a queen fight. I’ll just keep using my AA Handmade and bloodied Fixer instead.
I wasnt at all. I was saying they should leave that part out. Keep up the great videos. I had no idea explosives worked like that when it came to degredation.
EXCELLENT POST!!! 👏👏👏👏👏 What do you mean with the emphasis on explosive weapons? Yeah, twice as fast, BUT .... "regular" and otherwise weak weapons degrade so fast too!!! The major examples arr "spray & pray" types, like the flamer and the flamer-type plasma gun. Outraging and idiot , above all considering the COST of repairs in hard-to-get materials, like copper, forcexample and a few others.
I still think weapon degradation simply does not work for 76. One reason that it works with FoNV (I have not played 3) is your damage output and mitigation is directly tie to the durability. It can be annoying from time to time, at very least, it gives degradation mechanics much more impact than 76.
Many things in this game defy logic, but the idea that the projectile can continue to affect the weapon, even after it has left the muzzle, well, that just is ridiculous.
Great video mate! Ive got beam splitter on my explosive gat plas so ofc the durability gets wrecked. Is beam splitter even worth it these days? Let me know what you think because problem is i dont have the plan and cant switch back if i change it to the normal barrel.
Great video. Do we know if Lucky Break triggers from damage dealt in the same way degradation does? Just wondered if that might be a quick fix for multi shot weapons and explosive weapons.
Man, am I glad Bethesda didn't make like, bombers or something. Imagine hitting a tank factory but because you caused too much damage your plane just rusts and falls apart on the spot.
Thanks, TYR, we were just discussing the same issue. Great vid as always, There's no doubt in my mind Bethesda has seen this vid or will soon. New Vegas ?, Microsoft? Hello? This is a hard hit to one of the most popular weapons in the game and it's starting to piss a lot of people off. It doesn't matter how much I love this game, when it becomes pay to win I'm out.
I recently equipped grenadier for my explo shøttys and Im guessing that's why they have been breaking like crazy recently? I already had demo expert maxed out and didn't have this big of an issue before...thanks for the info
Grenadier doesn’t do anything for explosive legendary weapons unfortunately, (grenadier only affects grenades, mines and naturally explosive weapons) so no it’s just breaking fast because it’s an explosive shotgun 😉
In Daily Ops they managed to make your weapon degradation much much slower, so if they actually cared they would've made this a normal game feature now and not just in daily ops
I have a 3 Star 2 Shot Explosive Fixer that Earl gave me the first time I helped group kill him and the gun is fantastic it my most damaging gun but I only use as a backup gun because of how fast it breaks. My main gun is my 3 Star Bloodied Explosive Handmade which is my best friend in game, I still have to repair it after nearly every outing. It's not always completely broken but is always close to breaking. I have made an observation in this game since update 23 the AP situation has gotten a little funny not Haha funny but weird funny. Sometimes my girl will have more than normal and it's not from food or anything. Sometimes she will have her normal amount of AP and when in battle if you hide a sec to breath and let it the AP build back up it seems to go really slow now or it won't seem to rise back up till after battle is done. A friend on here who is a Melee build has really noticed and is most vocal about it. By any chance have you or anyone else notice this? My friend and I do both have the mutation that affects your AP as well. It is a bit of a pain but it is manageable for now referring to the AP situation.
Nice deep dive into this issue, But we all know Bethesda so this may get looked at by the end of 2021 if we are lucky. Seems to take a year to get anything fixed in this game.
I like using my bloodied fat man and my bloodied missile launcher. But they barely do any damage and they break in about 10 shots so they are little more than paper weights. And the ammo is so extremely heavy it makes carrying them even with Bear Arms active highly restrictive. There’s an entire class of weapons that are practically useless and Bethesda has done nothing about it for 2 years. Imagine if this were Elder Scrolls online and every single Two Handed sword in the game broke in 10 swings regardless of what kind of upgrades it has or what kind of perks/character stats you have. It would be downright unthinkable and yet Bethesda let’s it happen for all the explosive weapons(not legendary effect).
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"all new systems allow for 16x the weapon degradation"
This !!!
Finally someone with some influence is talking about this issue. I feel that a per trigger pull is the only solution that makes any sense at all.
Let's take this a step further: All of these calculations also add to the impact of connection latency and server stability.
Yeah especially the rubber-banding!
The worse part about explosive weapons is it counts each hit location a target has, head/torso/arms/legs/extra locations. Add hitting multiple targets you get insane degradation on weapons that shouldn't degrade much at all when firing.
So that is why my m79 snaps in half every shot!
now I see why my two-shot auto grenade launcher breaks down too quickly. I do use level 5 gunsmith and have like 100+ repair kits
Yep, even with gunsmith rank 5 and luck of the draw rank 3 all these guns break far too quickly
Yeah it's crazy man I use one too ,I also use the two shot fatman broadsider and missile launcher regularly, with gunsmith 5 lick of the draw 3 and double repair them.i can't even use the targeting computer on the missile launcher because it makes it so much worse than it already is
@@TYRYT thankyou for bringing some light to this man. Let's hope they do something about
Agreed my BE Handmade breaks like no tomorrow I get its the system but maybe make it less per shot I don't have enough steel for 100 more repairs
I'll be sure to share this around
Thanks legend
Honestly don't think they will bother fixing it because repair kits are in the game. At least they should put a repair bench in the tent, guess that will never happen either. Also i don't know if you can verify this but i remember my weapons breaking alot less before repair kits were introduced, i feel like something was changed in the code when they were introduced to the atomic shop.
i honestly think that the degradation feature is a lot more irritating on both F3 and FNV
reason why i say this is cos they also constantly lower your DAMAGE output the more you use your weapons
at least in 76 you keep the same damage the whole time and is much easier and cheaper to fix
still..
weapon degradation SUCKS
Thx Skyrim
That was an awesome feature are you kidding, it felt real.... and obviously the lowering of damage for the lowering of your condition bar wouldn’t be added to this game.
You can fire 300 shots from a missile launcher in fallout 3 or new vegas before it breaks
And in fallout 76 you can fire 10 shots before it breaks...... do you enjoy having your bibs and bobs curb stomped ? 🧐
wasn't truly kidding Tyr
i always despised how demanding and tedious was the weapon's degradation on older fallout games
always hated when i had to pay 1500 caps just to fix my Anti-material rifle for instance
and the whole damage degrading output was something i totally hated
that was also a thing in TES 4
but at least in Oblivion fixing you weapons was not a big issue since you can always find smithy hammers to repair your swords
one thing i did enjoyed about 76 is that weapons will keep the same exact level of damage as long you have one point of Health in them
yes is stupid BS that 2x Shoots effects apparently will cause double fatigue to the weapons
but i prefer to spend scrap over 2000caps for every time i have to repair my Light machine gun
you feel?
btw i always thought that i much more fun to introduce the weapon's degrading feature was to make it so the weapons will never break, but to start JAMMING instead when they get very low on HP
i honestly miss the jamming animations
specially when it happens in those WTF moments haha
but i do HATE to see my weapon breaking right in my face in the middle of combat
fuck
just give me Simon Belmont's unbreakable VAMPIRE KILLER CHAIN!
Damage based on weapon condition used to be a thing in F76, at least for melee weapons. You could even increase the damage of melee weapons by over-repairing them, so it wasn't all that bad.
You do know that Obsidian added a Maintenance Threshold for every weapon and armor that has it not degrade as long as the item doesnt reach that point in durability?
Holy cow, THIS explains SO MUCH about why explosive weapons break so bloody fast.
Fallout 76 developer:
“Why don’t we make a game that makes absolutely no sense all around. Not just the story, but EVERYTHING.”
Tom:
“Sounds good.”
You don't understand thats why you don't get it buh kinda yeah is true worst game they have ever made
Just that the Story makes sense. You would know that if you played it. But yeah, the Weapon systems are bullshit.
They need to remove weapon and armor degradation altogether
Dude im happy you made this vid. Ive had to use 60 improved repair kits for 2 days of grinding. And thats with the perk card that slows the degradation
This helped me alot. I was thinking why the f** my "Two Shot Explosive 10mm Pistol" breaks so fast. Now I understand :D
I broke a 200% condition two-shot Mirv fatman in a single shot in Colossal Problem once. That was a LOT of dead wendigo, though.
I realized the weapons break to fast but never looked at it in deep like you did. Thanx for testing this and making is aware! 👊
No worries mate, happy to spread some useful info
Now it all makes sense
I ran through westek once with my two shot explosive shotgun and it was "magic" at the time
It would barely go through a run and break
I just gave up on the gun it was running up my repair kits like crazy
Oh man, this really needs to get fixed. My melee character used to carry so many improved repair kits because melees are super efficient when it comes to weapon degradation. Ever since Daily Ops dropped, I started farming ultracite ammo to put up for sale in my vending machines. It didn't take long for my ranged weapons to eat through all of my repair kits.
Thanks! Definitely answers why my two shot/explosive Mini-Gun/Combat shotgun always broke down so fast.
This system works perfect for Bethesda. High end weapons that most people covet and use most often? Bethsda has the perfect solution for you. Buy repair kits from the Atomic shop!!!!!! This isn't a flaw....it's business!
I’ve been saying that for a long time ago their buffs are for the same purpose
Or you can loot and use public items and the salvage from said items and repair you're weapons , the only ones that would complain are people who don't salvage and loot as well as scrap and weapon repair kits are given as rewards.
If you salvage and loot you don't need repair kits.
@@kubbykush420 exactly I literally don’t need any repair kits cuz I spend a lot of time looting everything
@@kubbykush420 what about when ur weapon breaks mid fight... now im melee only until i use a kit or leave mid fight to find a bench...
@@kubbykush420 its a trash system that is over zealous, dont be a mug trying to defend it
This is why i run 3 x TSE handmades on my commando / sneak build. Nice vid, Bethesda please take notice or TYR will return the helmet you sent him lol.
Now I know why I'm repairing my Explosive auto shotgun 2-3 times a day. I'm constantly on the hunt for repair materials and usually have to carry 2-3 Shotguns.
See this is the kind of stuff I was talking about keep it up!
Thanks for doing this. I love it when I read posts on Reddit about this subject and there's always someone saying that the weapon degradation system doesn't need fixing. It's just because the enemies require more bullets now which make it seem like weapons break faster. The next time that I see someone make that argument I'm going to link them to this video.
If Bethesda was actually willing to improve the game by slightly reducing the value of an Atomic Shop item, then the scrapbox would have been a core feature...
So dose fire damage legendary effect also effect durability cause I’ve noticed fire damage 10mm breaks super fast even with an overshield repair at 10 intelligence?
My lvl 435 updated endgame heavy gunner build carries the two shot 33 Fat-Man,Broadsider,missile/auto grenade launcher.And the Tse 50 cal/ tse lmg at all times. They're literally the only weapons I use anymore, so I truly understand the severity of this issue. Idk if theres anything I can do in terms submitting a ticket about it. Idk how it works but maybe if enough of us shed light on the issue we can make a change like you did with God mode. I pay for fallout 1st so do usually spend 1k of my monthly atoms on repair kits for emergencies even with all the condition perks.
And each increase in crafted weapon damage decreases the weapon durability thus compounding the effect of the per projectile strike base degradation. The better your crafted weapon damage the worse it’s durability. Even with Weapon Artisan level three, you barely get back near base durability. Additionally, the Improved Repair kits do not fully repair even with the Weapon Artisan card.
The damage nerf plus the weapon degradation issue is just untenable. I now craft and carry two of my favorite weapons for boss fights since one is going to break long before the boss dies
Excellent video!
Thank you! Been saying this since the enemy's got buff. All this applies for armor as well. They say all this adjusting is to make the game better but everything Bethesda does just makes everything worse for the player. I think we are well deserved of some beneficial changes now..
Idk. BGS is pretty heavy into their Vault Tec roleplay. Not sure if it will fly unless theres a monkeys paw consequently lurking behind the "P.A.T.C.H." or the Placated Acts To Cause Havoc.
Hi Tyr! I agree with everything you said however I feel there is zero chance of Bethesda doing anything about it! There are so many bugs and issues still remaining that after 2 years (and with regular revenue stream coming in from repair kits) they have no incentive to make more work for themselves by reinventing the wheel...
Lmao loved the part where you were shooting vamp
If I Gould down my flamer it will break after 2 magazines
also consider that these super-powerful, multi-shot weapons are a basic necessity for high-level play...you try dealing with multiple 60+ level feral ghouls, or super mutants without a 2-shot or explosive, with maxed perks...
Honestly, what is not broken at this point?
I got annoyed with how many times i had to repair anything in the game when i did play it, weapons and armour
But hey "could just buy repair kits" as some people like to say.
I noticed that when my Junkies Auto Gl hits the turrets in Harpers,
that it also hits the sandbags and really ups the weapon degradation .
It does 1 hit for the turret and up to 4 or more hits for sandbags ,no wonder it degrades so fast .
It also counts the scorched dead statues, so hitting 2 to 3 super mutants and up to 3 or more dead scorched can be 6 or more total hits
And since I use the double explosion size perk I always hit more than one target (I know its not the correct name for the perk but I can't remember it right now)
Yep that’s correct, shooting items that have or had health like sandbags, cars dead bodies ect also degrades weapons..... what a great system!!!!!
Totally agree!!! Man I have a The Dragon rifle 2 shot, explosive. The rifle is 4 shoots at once by default and with the 2 shot perk make it 8 plus the explosive perk. I got tired of using it cause its only fire one shot and brakes instanlly. I insanly stupid but know thanks to you I understood the issue. thank You!
Using bashing damage stock helps with conditions, especially on explosive laser
Maybe if more players called Bugthesda out on their BS, they might actually start to pay attention.
have you seen how todd acts at e3? he doesnt even acknowledge that the games have shit load of glitches
“It will never get fixed” Not with that attitude it won’t get fixed, roll over and let Todd tea bag you why don’t you 🤣
@@TYRYT 👀😆👉👌
Since the recent 2xXP we just had, I lost count how many times I needed to repair my fixer....lawdy
Finally an Aussie i can understand lol, good work
Yeah, my 2 shot auto grenade launcher barely survive one daily op. Thank you so much for explanation.
Oh boy, I've heard it before but not that explained, now I know exactly why my explosive shotgun breaks so easily and it's not even a two shot, but that's why I also carry two more explosive shotguns, would be cool to only carry 1 or 2 instead of switching after they break but don't care that much I also use the 200% when repair and gunsmith rank 5, thanks for the vid🖤
I have found that since 2 upgrades ago, my explosive lever rifle breaks after about 30 -35 shots. It used to do at least 150 before then. Infuriating
OMG is that why I’ve stuck with melee, great video loads of information. As usual Beth won’t fixit but maybe MS will? Great work Tyr you deserve some kind of recognition, a magic gun?
This completely explains why my Two Shot Fixer breaks more than I do wind on Taco Tuesday! 😂
I’m fixing my Fixer literally every play session!! It’s horrible!
When the line in the sand glitch was still easily done. I used a bloodied grenade launcher I was using two mags and having to repair it.
Awesome TYR thank you for another great video.
I had a TSE napalmer & most of the time I use less the 300 fuel & it's already broken.. They really need to fix that & luck of the draw don't proc as often
Keep the system (Add more hp), remove the weapon degrading from explosion hitting.
I don't mind that weapon degrading based on bullets left the weapon( In my mind; two shots degrade twice as fast is okay),
....but just remove the way weapon degrading when bullet explode and hitting multiple enemies, that make no sense...
Is like the DeathStar destroyed itself because the world(game) registered billions of hits, so the weapon condition will be broken after one shot...
A lot of good info Thanks TYR
How did no one ever notice this before??
So I guess exploding palm and so on is making gauntlets degrade faster?
Good job mate thanks for all your good work 👍
Many others noticed it, in just one of the first to make a big deal about it ahha
Yup, I can make a fusion reactor from gum,spit, and twine,
that runs forever with no maintenance needed ever.
But making or using or repairing a weapon that doesn't break in 20 min or less
.
Impossible
Great Video TYR
sad that its true, i stopped bothering with gunsmith and luck of the draw because getting more damage, survivability and farming potential makes using weapons better and makes repairing them less of a chore.
stupid that they look insanely helpful on paper, and that the system is designed this way.
11:12 Actually my Combat BE Breaks in less than a minute! :( OP gun but breaks super fast :(
They still break super fast but it’s not as bad as it used to be
Gunsmith 5 + Luck of the Draw + high luck does an amazing job of protecting legacy split-beam lasers.
You still need to repair it very often, so no it doesn’t
@@TYRYT Try it--it does significantly cut down on weapon breakage.
I have Tried it? It’s like putting a bandaid over a cut to the femoral artery..... it doesn’t do jack, those perks don’t matter in this discussion as they aren’t the problem, the core mechanic itself is the problem, no matter what you do your legacy laser will break 10x faster than normal, and that needs proper addressing... not a fucking bandaid “put gunsmith on to fix it” mentality
It makes sense that two shot, shotguns or explosive weapons would degrade faster.
10:49 Nut curb stomp ?
15:20 This idea makes sense for Ranged weapons but i feel like Melee weapons should only degrate if they hit the enemy.
Yeah that’s what I said
That’s how it works in fallout 3 and new vegas lol
@@TYRYT The way you said this it sounds like that melee weapons should also degrade even if they don't hit. Wich would make no sense with most melee weapons.
The latest patch negates has screwed heavy weapons bug time. In the last week all of my heavy weapons have broken so damned fast and so quickly it's frigging ridiculous. Bethesda needs to fix this NOW. Bear in mind I have cards equipped to slow down degradation and suddenly after the last patch they seem to have stopped working.
I've got a mutant's gauss shotgun as my main weapon, shot several thousands of shots with it, & i don't remember ever having to fix it. I don't have the Luck of the Draw perk card on, & the shotgun is still at full on the extended condition, so i must've used weapon artisan on it at some point, but i'm not complaining at all.
My secret service & solar armours however, appear to only need to be breathed on by an enemy & they all crumble together, even the piece that has 50% more durability than normal..
Yeah ss armor feels like it’s made of paper 😂 my heavy bod armor never broke that quickly or as much 🤷♂️
Armor has been breaking faster with the last few patches. So add it to the laundry list of broken shi! that needs to be fixed.
Henlo and gud evening, I am Benedict Popcorb.
Armour degradation is also broken. Since one wasteland it breaks probably either twice or three times as fast as it did before one wasteland. Its resulted in ridiculous scrap usage fixing it. You now tear through resources now. Enemy damage I reckon has increased so they tear armour apart. I shouldn't have to be fixing my Secret service arms and legs every time I log on. Super mutants who need nerfed after one wasteland are the number one armour smashers because of their ridiculous new damage output.
Sir, your view:like ratio is off the charts!
Wonderfull video, wonderfully outspoken, this video is KABLAMO!
I haven't been able to use my two shot bloodied explosive combat shotgun since ever, breaks after 10 shots XD
Would it be possible to do a video on 50% extra durability armor breaking faster than armor that doesn't has that prefix, or would that be impossible?
~CGTv
ive been using 2shot explosive and demolition weapons since basically release. I havnt ever really used a weapon that doesnt hit multiple times with each pull of the trigger and I remember the fix at the start, when they slowed down heavy weapon degradation and i no longer needed to carry 3+ 50.cals for a sbq fight.
Only finding out about this bug now i feel kinda stupid, so thanks to bringing it to light for me but now begs the real question... whats it like to use a weapon that doesnt degrade so fast? Ive always thought that was normal lol
Honestly why I’ve moved away from using my TSE Handmade many months ago. It was just not worth the upkeep or risk the chance of it breaking during a queen fight. I’ll just keep using my AA Handmade and bloodied Fixer instead.
I agree with the per pull of the trigger. But not include the damage drop due to condition or weapon issues with reloading or jamming.
I didn’t say damage drop or jamming should return?? don’t put words in my mouth dawgggg 🥺
I wasnt at all. I was saying they should leave that part out. Keep up the great videos. I had no idea explosives worked like that when it came to degredation.
EXCELLENT POST!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
What do you mean with the emphasis on explosive weapons? Yeah, twice as fast, BUT .... "regular" and otherwise weak weapons degrade so fast too!!! The major examples arr "spray & pray" types, like the flamer and the flamer-type plasma gun. Outraging and idiot , above all considering the COST of repairs in hard-to-get materials, like copper, forcexample and a few others.
Because of the aoe on explosive effects, it ticks the degradation even more :/ so dumb.
No wonder the gatling plasma with the beam splitter mod breaks so fast
the shredder on the minigun absolutely destroys your condition in literally a couple seconds on 3 or more targets at once, its so stupid
I still think weapon degradation simply does not work for 76. One reason that it works with FoNV (I have not played 3) is your damage output and mitigation is directly tie to the durability. It can be annoying from time to time, at very least, it gives degradation mechanics much more impact than 76.
Many things in this game defy logic, but the idea that the projectile can continue to affect the weapon, even after it has left the muzzle, well, that just is ridiculous.
Todd Coward: Uuh that's like just your opinion dude...
@@couchgamingtv9593 he says, while expressing his opinion.
@@iamfarrkin684 Off topic but i'm going to make a video on how to free place most things in Fallout 76, minds will be blown XD
~CGTv
That explains why my two shot nade launcher breaks in one run of a daily op probably
I started using the repair perks for my armor in weapons which has improved this since I am now running on no screws
Great video mate! Ive got beam splitter on my explosive gat plas so ofc the durability gets wrecked. Is beam splitter even worth it these days? Let me know what you think because problem is i dont have the plan and cant switch back if i change it to the normal barrel.
Weapon goes pow pow bang. Bang being it breaking
Wow I would of never thought of how or why my weapons kept breaking easily. Shit maybe my guns need some Wd-40 and some jet
Great video. Do we know if Lucky Break triggers from damage dealt in the same way degradation does? Just wondered if that might be a quick fix for multi shot weapons and explosive weapons.
By the way do Energy weapon Gamma Wave mods (set enemy on fire) affect the weapon condition?
Man, am I glad Bethesda didn't make like, bombers or something. Imagine hitting a tank factory but because you caused too much damage your plane just rusts and falls apart on the spot.
no fing wonder the one two shot weapon i use degrades so much faster jeez, ty
Finally I know why I can only fire my 2 shot explosive dragon once. Why Bethesda, why!
Loved that child and you shot it! Lol. But thanks for this. Still will keep it as is. All though it's still a fallout 76 game
Holy shit this is mind blowing.
Thanks, TYR, we were just discussing the same issue. Great vid as always, There's no doubt in my mind Bethesda has seen this vid or will soon. New Vegas ?, Microsoft? Hello? This is a hard hit to one of the most popular weapons in the game and it's starting to piss a lot of people off. It doesn't matter how much I love this game, when it becomes pay to win I'm out.
I recently equipped grenadier for my explo shøttys and Im guessing that's why they have been breaking like crazy recently? I already had demo expert maxed out and didn't have this big of an issue before...thanks for the info
Grenadier doesn’t do anything for explosive legendary weapons unfortunately, (grenadier only affects grenades, mines and naturally explosive weapons) so no it’s just breaking fast because it’s an explosive shotgun 😉
@@TYRYT got it. I'll unequip that lol. Thanks for the reply🤠
In Daily Ops they managed to make your weapon degradation much much slower, so if they actually cared they would've made this a normal game feature now and not just in daily ops
100% !!!!
I have a 3 Star 2 Shot Explosive Fixer that Earl gave me the first time I helped group kill him and the gun is fantastic it my most damaging gun but I only use as a backup gun because of how fast it breaks. My main gun is my 3 Star Bloodied Explosive Handmade which is my best friend in game, I still have to repair it after nearly every outing. It's not always completely broken but is always close to breaking.
I have made an observation in this game since update 23 the AP situation has gotten a little funny not Haha funny but weird funny. Sometimes my girl will have more than normal and it's not from food or anything. Sometimes she will have her normal amount of AP and when in battle if you hide a sec to breath and let it the AP build back up it seems to go really slow now or it won't seem to rise back up till after battle is done. A friend on here who is a Melee build has really noticed and is most vocal about it. By any chance have you or anyone else notice this? My friend and I do both have the mutation that affects your AP as well. It is a bit of a pain but it is manageable for now referring to the AP situation.
Now That’s Why My Weapons Be Breaking So Fast
Very informative. Can Luck of the Draw Perk also trigger based on how many bullets and explosives shot?
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Two shot explosive should be king if they don’t fix it, undo the nerf to justify breaking quickly.
And here I am running a TSE combat shotgun..
what about two-shot shotguns?
is it 9x as fast cause the two-shot only adds 1 pellet?
Correct
@@TYRYT then i can only assume that a TSE will break 18x as fast
thats fucking stupid
What outfit is Mr. V wearing, can anyone tell me?
Great video Tyr. Bethesda, please fix this. Anything but I fix looks like a blatant cash grab for repair kits.
G’day mate
Nice deep dive into this issue, But we all know Bethesda so this may get looked at by the end of 2021 if we are lucky.
Seems to take a year to get anything fixed in this game.
I have a gauss shotgun which bugged when I fully repaired it. It no longer degrades.
Lucky you
Does this also apply to the legendary perk far-flung flung fireworks? If it does, that makes that perk much less appealing.
Nope it does not
Sadly, I don't think they'll ever fix this, we scream at them that we need this for years and they simply dont care
I like using my bloodied fat man and my bloodied missile launcher. But they barely do any damage and they break in about 10 shots so they are little more than paper weights. And the ammo is so extremely heavy it makes carrying them even with Bear Arms active highly restrictive. There’s an entire class of weapons that are practically useless and Bethesda has done nothing about it for 2 years. Imagine if this were Elder Scrolls online and every single Two Handed sword in the game broke in 10 swings regardless of what kind of upgrades it has or what kind of perks/character stats you have. It would be downright unthinkable and yet Bethesda let’s it happen for all the explosive weapons(not legendary effect).
while indepth and much appreciated, there didn’t appear to be any discussion of any mitigation cards and HOW or IF they truly help .. - thoughts?
Because that’s not the topic at hand, and they don’t help much on these broken weapons lol “you can shine a turd, but it’s still a turd”
I did another video covering this topic :)