The Anti Heal Patch Was NOT A Good Thing!!! Here's Why | Watcher of Realms
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- The core of this topic has been on my mind for awhile and this was the event to set my thoughts into motion. It's just very annoying how this could have been geared into something actually FUN and interesting that makes anti healers more viable, cleansers and otherwise much better and could have been fun... also why was this fixed in less than a day but not the countless bugs
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Some things I should clear up I didn’t mention
The reason I think it’s weird the bug was fixed so fast and other things are left is such a weird thing is because
1. Lucius was hyped up and sold to use and tons of money were spend but the bug is left alone anyways making him pretty average
2. Carnelian a5 bug has been around since the start of gb 2 and hasn’t been fixed in a whole month.
For the content being hard I’m not upset about 120k being hero restrictive but the fact that you can essentially only do 1 difficulty of gb 2 if you don’t pull any of the very limited cleansers you basically just have to go “welp I can’t do the content” no matter what your heros look like
They either need to start adding more cleansers or massively reduce the amount of poison stacks that get applied. I've finished every bit of game end content, and GB2 is impossible because I only have Midan. Or even letting us use a dupe copy of Midan in the 2nd team would help
As someone who FINALLY got lucky on a banner and got my Lucius up to A3. It looks SUPER bad and shady that they fixed the anti heal bug so quick and easy but are willing to basically false advertise heroes and leave them not functioning properly for sometimes weeks maybe months at a time
Hope things work out Destined, keep well
I think the whole community shares your opinion - I know I do. I was devastated with the Lucius bug after going all out getting him to A5, and then he doesn't work the way he should (or at least work the way they made the player base believe he would). The same goes with your other points on cleansers and just viable heroes in general. GB2 is literally tailor made for whales only or the few who were lucky enough to pull the specific heroes required to get the top score, and even then you still require high awakenings on said heroes. They are leaving a sour taste in peoples mouths with this.
Yeah I’m not mad about the top chest being unattainable for 99.99999% of players I’m more upset at how hero locked it is compared to everything else lol
And the fact that it’s STILL hero locked for the lowest chests is insane
Agreed. Hard content is great and something we've wanted, but content being hero locked as you stated is not good nor healthy for the game, as players will simply leave or not participate in the new content as they cannot achieve anything. This will ultimately also have players leave the game.
Nobody made you believe lucious worked that way everyone just assumed. It could be he is intended to work that way and they'll fix it though.
Im suspecting Myca is bugged in fac wars, she does near no damage to shield boss when shes supposed to do more damage to shields...
@@user-xn2oe3pt1p the boss in infernal trials has relatively high magic res ergo magic units wont do a thing. Ignore def mechanics would work but the game displays mobs stats as status bars and no number. So i believe myca attack cant really crack down the boss defense and mres values cause it's higher than expected.
Dude, your every word is on point! Keep it up!
It's worth pointing out they *may have* known before you posted it and were already working to fix it before and some things are undoubtedly easy to fix VS some others.
Hopefully they do fix the cowboy that's really crappy if they make him good at something but he's not.
If it's way to strong they need to just adjust it to be balanced and stop useful.
It doesn’t set that prescedent at all…
The Anti Heal was essentially game breaking where players could get the most end game rewards with just abusing anti heal.
These other bugs you referred to do impact game play of course but have nowhere the same impact as the anti heal big. Therefore the developers will consider them less urgent.
Completely fair
Main thing is while it’s game breaking the new hero which tons of people spent TONS of money for over the last weekend is currently mediocre because of a bug and the carnelian thing has been known for a month and hasn’t been fixed, I should have specified that but it’s weird that they aren’t fixing these things but instantly on top of other things
@@Destined_WoR Ye I get you, I got him to A3 this weekend and was stoked but the fact he's not working correctly is definetly an annoyance.
@@Destined_WoR It's not really weird that they are on top of some things while others take longer. The only weird thing is that they are way slow on some things like the carnelian bug that's been known for a month for example, that is not acceptable.
It's good that they acted as fast as they did on this issue but that doesn't mean that it's ok for them to be so slow with the other things, Lucius being bugged should be fixed asap, Carnelian should've been fixed weeks ago etc.
As for the cleanser issue I agree it sucks that Dassomi is a ancient exclusive which is hard to get and Elowyn being very rare and that phase of the boss requiring cleansing. But at the same time we have not really had any content requiring cleansers in the same sense, hopefully there are more cleansers coming to give people more options. I deffo get the irritation and frustration around it but that's just how gachas are. I personally have no piercer lord, I started just after the Luneria fusion. I'm 287 days in with 4687 summons done and no piercer lord of any rarity.
@@sebess1516 healer codex requires 2 it’s manditory for 99% of SSS scores
Keep the good content coming, appreciate it.
I for sure agree with you, they should at least add new heroes epic and lego that are not Ancient exlusive for that content they relesed and make banner on them or put them into fusion.
Personaly missing Elowyn and suffer in Gear dungeon 2 as well as GB2 even with amazing gear and some nasty heroes (Iovar, bonded Silas, Hex...) but missing the rest that is basicly required.
Amazing video as always.
Lucius allowed me to get the last chest when I was peaking at 97k before getting him at a0. I'm sure he works as intended, he's just pretty tricky to use. Having one hero make every 3rd phase a walk in the park would not be balanced (remember how they nerfed boreas because he was too strong). Also it hasn't been long since gb2 came out and new teams are still appearing to clear it, Lucius already opens up new ways to clear it if played correctly. Otherwise I think the devs expect everyone to have epics, so midan is basically the f2p cleanser but I highly agree it would be great to have another epic cleanser, or many more legendary ones since there are 2 bosses.
I believe one more cleanser would help most people but if you don't have pay to win champions (arbiters or exclusive lords)it doesn't matter anyway.
Also the reason they were so swift about anti heal bug should be players would simply stop summoning more which would lead them to spend little or no money
I don't know all of these stuff I am texting could be wrong, cause I am completely F2P and can barely do 8k on Apocalypse I😂
Fantastic content, my friend! Very good reasoning with the "rant" and amazing suggestions.
I hope the devs can learn a thing or two.
Besides that, it wasn't a quick video. 😂
People tweaking about Lucius need to chill just a little bit in my opinion. The antiheal bug was FAR more damaging to the mode and what it was supposed to be than the Lucius issue is. Also, keep in mind, we've only known about this bug for like, maybe 2-3 days? Lucius isn't even a week old, people need to chill for a second. Mine is A2, i put a decent amount into the banner, but I also know it's getting fixed so I'm not tweaking about it. You do have a point about cleansers, however given what they did with Lucius and him seeming to basically exist to hard counter shield phase, I imagine we''re going to be getting some more cleansers coming down the line, hopefully another epic or two.
Using antiheal to delay transition to the next phase (delay revival) would've been a good way to go
Yeah just moderate it cause it really was just too much but it could have been actually interesting
My Nocturne is my main damage dealer on the phase 2, and setram on 1 and 3. I'm only at day 50 playing. And so far I'm doing 10k on GB 2. I'd be able to do more once my healers don't die or when i get leggo healers, coz the healers i have are hollow, midan, and vortex only
They started to introduce new mechanic revolving around buff and debuff, before the one who do buff and debuff is just our hero, but now the enemy also capable of doing it too, but unfortunately the hero to counter it isnt much, i think they need to rework old heroes to adapt this new mechanic so they could still relevant in the future..
Absolutely, a game breaking, new content trivializing bug that could be exploited by anyone with a selection of heroes should be the exact same priority as bugs that make certain units that only a small portion of the player base even has less powerful.
That's certainly a take.
What i do agree is that they should be fixing all bugs, regardless of its complexity or how it affects the game in general but the issue about the game making it hero restrictive is already evident at the very beginning.. I think the idea is that they are "delaying" progress, not blocking it at all. If the game doesn't have pity or should have not implemented "nascent" summoning then there really is an issue. They even adjusted rewards making ancients summoning more available even if your f2p. Besides, the game is free to play, if they won't implement a process to "delay" progress or would not entice certain individuals to spend then wor could've shut down early. At the end of the day business is business and no game developer would let players play it for free, enjoy it getting nothing in exchange. They're still doing a good job balancing player's enjoyment plus profit.
I think they should add another epic cleanser, or a rare. Even if the hero only cleanses and does anything else. We should be easily able to have at least 2 cleansers. Only Midan here, like 9 months in the game 😅
Devs choose the easy way...tells a lot about the game...in 1 year all heroes we think today are op.will be useless and no new players will start playing...in 2 years the game will be dead and whales will regret paying for this one....look at mobile legends..money grab. This bug sorted in less than 1 day and bugs going before global still not fixed. This video is on point, you're 100% right. You def got me as a subscriber
I would not have pulled on that banner if i knew they were going to F his debuff dispel... ughh
I honestly have rater champions starting up my free to play account... Am stuck/not doing better on early game as i don't have Laurel yet ... And she is epic
I have all the cleansers and still cant win lol
If they dont fix Lucius at least by the end of the week I will be pissed.
They could change anti heal in a way that semrah after getting antiheal he is getting antiheal immune for next round
It’s pretty disgusting. I was so hyped for Lucious and went all in. Pulled him twice and now useless for what I wanted him for
I think you need to look at this at a standpoint of how GB1 is. We had to work our way up to be able to do each level. GB2 is on this same level. Most couldn’t do NM4 right off the rip. It took us time to get the right heroes and gear.
I do agree with you on the quickness part, if the are going to quickly patch an “exploit” they need to fix things that effect us as well just quickly!
Agreed, main thing though is we need 1 more accessible cleanser
@@Destined_WoR I think we need another epic cleanser as well. Like add Cleanse to Lili or Nissandei. Or introduce a whole new epic healer that has it. Like the first epic Lord for the Arbiters…..
@@Viceroy0187 honestly anything, make a 2nd eso lord that gives 1% global rr and cleanses, whatever works
If they would have fixed lucious and carnielian at same time it would have been so negative. But to not fix theses champs that are suppossed to make this content possible n fix the anti heal bug that made the content doable really says something. Also seems like its becoming a pattern for them to promote a champ and have big spending events on their release only to have them not work as advertised or be immediately nerfed. Smh. They could have made it so it only works every other cycle or just less effective like only let boss heal to 50%.
They gotta correct their mistakes , or else it just makes playing anything difficult not worth the time effort and resources. I don't like it whenever things that aren't meant to be insanely hard become insanely hard. Just like i think IC needs difficulty level options. Just give smaller rewards for easier difficulties. But make it so everyone can clear everything, regardless of their skill levels. As it is I'm fed up with the BS in void Rift in regards to Torodor and Lasseer as bosses. I don't suck at the game if i can get up to Platinum 2 Arena, i actually do well with 3 of the IC bosses, but not all. And in Guild Boss in my guild, I alone can solo everything from easy all the way to Nightmare 1. I only need my guild members help in Nightmare 2 - 4. So I'm a decent player. There's just something wrong with the boss stages of Void Rift if i have to always work on them manually repeatedly and haven't been able to clear the final bosses in Void Rift elite in weeks
I believe they handled the antiheal bug/strat properly but the real problem is the hero’s point blank! The game needs more hero’s with dispel/cleanse right now the mode is unmanageable to a lot of players. I believe we either need a fusion or a 7 day login hero that is similar to Elowyn. I find it ridiculous for a game mode to be released that most hero’s in the game don’t have the abilities to properly deal with.
I do 30k on both APOL 1 AND 2 each week without Iovar and Praetus. You don’t NEED them for 30k on each, but ellowyn and Midan
But here we go again. If you don't have Ellowyn. In most game modes now you can't compete at all. If the game is going to remain relevant. You need to have more then one way to skin the cat..its moving in the direction of locking people out of the fun if you don't have end game heros
@@RobH2022 true. But you could do one of them (to a high score) with just Midan. You could still get a decent chest on APOL 1 without a dispel hero. Obviously the more heroes you have the more content (and to a higher success) you’ll be able to complete, it’s a hero collector after all. I don’t have most of the ancient-only heroes and other key ones like valeryia, but I always try to find an alternative way to beat as far as I can. Each hero has unique abilities that help with specific content, so you can be great at one content but not too great at others, I think that’s ok
@@RobH2022 and there should be perks to having heroes that are not common I think. It’s part of the gatcha business model
I agree 100%
I dont have an issue with fixing bugs, but all buts should be equal.
Did moonton actually say that bosses buffs can be dispelled? Since some bosses have some buffs, like immune to cc, only slow etc. I kinda get if its made into its mechanic.
I dont have issue for antiheal, since my take is boss doesnt heal but switches modes.
Gacha games issue has always been hardcontent or end game is dependant on having selective heroes.
Yea he was advertised as dispelling buffs
@@Destined_WoR was it mentioned that it should work on boss mechanics, or was wisful thinking?
I get that that we get a boss with buffs and then hero who can dispel and if that doesnt work that is kinda sus.
Nevertheless we need more clarity, that what mechanic can be " changed" what cannot, some bosses have info that" immunity to cc but slow works" etc. So in the future we may not have other ideas than moonton.
See, the only issue I have with your opinion here is that every bug is different.
Some are easy to fix, some suck, some are not a priority.
The devs stated the nisalt bug was more complicated than they thought otherwise it would have been done in a day.
A bug that invalidates semrah entirely for specific parts of the playerbase should be fixed immediately, thankfully it was only live for one rotation and must have been a simple fix such as adding antiheal to an existing list of immune effects.
Lucius bug seems like it would be complicated, it blatently isn't working as intended and the devs have basically said as much.
We do need more cleansers though, maybe make anti-heal work to clear poison too, it wouldn't effect much elsewhere either atm.
GB2 is so hard but still gives us trash rewards just like this week's. 1st week's rewards are awesome got 3 Ancient shard but this week just got a bunch of trash. I felt baited tbh.
I got 4 from pretty low milestones, all rng at the end of the day
The poison phase is just nonsensical. I honestly don't understand how they released it like this without adding a 2nd Epic cleanser to the game. Or at least a somewhat common legendary.
Or you know, the poison could just go away after some time.
I did use Artemis on Sunday btw to skip the poison phase in Apoc 1, but as you know, it always applies 1 stack of poison no matter what. So it wasn't a true solution, but definitely made the run a lot easier.
And yes, please keep talking about Elowyn until they don't do something about that general situation as well.
I’d like if they made it on a timer
Spend more money, pull more champs and hope for the best.
Moonton probably.
And here i thought the anti heal strat is not bugged. I used artemis on GB2 A1 before you even post a video on it before saying it was a bugged. Man goodbye 30k chest i guess😢
All bugs should be patched. Imo people who cried over the anti heal thing are as stupid as montoon for being such a jerk with the selective bug fixes and lying to us with the hero rates.
I asked them to add more cleansers...they basically told me to get lost.
They are just another RSL. And i hate them
Yeah of course but I’m saying they need to fix the content so it’s not a “have 1 of 2 units or lose” or implement something else (ex anti heal) in a non broken way that’s interesting
@@Destined_WoR I agree. Or maybe give us more epic heroes like Elowyn. It's sad that they care about money more
Sorry 🤭
I love your take on this issue! This stuff needs to change!
the "not releasing any new epics " made the game like that.... We could get diversity from epics ... + easier to get
We dont need new top tier cleanser ... we need A cleanser thats average ? And if you release epic like that is perfect
We are in that kind of meta where we just try to burst everything so we dont need to deal with it and by releasing new and stronger dmg dealers is just keeping this meta like that ... And that meta doesnt help for new fun content :)
Going to not spend for 30 days if Lucius isnt fixed by this weekend where I can run him and get the rewards for this week correctly.
This goes to show how much the "business decision" is influencing the dev team. The selective fixing of game bug is really annoying to me. Lucius was intentionally sold as a solution for GB2 but with half truth - yes he can remove buff but the boss will continue generate more buff stacks regardless of whether the previous buffs are removed. To bait the f of their player base, they added a stun effect to A3 making players whale hard on the banner. Shame on you Moonton.
All healers should be able to cleanse IMO
I think you are off base here. You made a video telling everyone to benefit from an exploit. Tbh you risked a ban for nothing. 2. Exploits like this are much more harmful for the game (a business) than a broken awakening. 3. It’s hard end game content, you’re not supposed to max in one week of new content. People often criticize there is nothing to do, but when there they want to cheese it…
It’s not an exploit it’s a feature 😎
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be hard I’m saying the idea of “have 1 of 2 heros or you lose” is not a basis of an enjoyable stage for the average player, getting halfway through apocalypse 1 is near impossible for 99% of players because there’s a single actually accessible cleanser and the poison phase is impossible without whale dps heros and gear, if they balanced anti heal it could have been a fun way to make it manageable while not being fully meta
A bug is made to be fun to help people + we get free stuff when the devs patch it win win
Not one single person who used this bug, was ever at risk for getting banned. If you think moonton could articulate an appropriate reason outside of “we fucked up and you abused it, so here’s a ban,” then I would love to hear it. Drawing attention to bugs to is more beneficial to the developers than people keeping it to themselves and secretly abusing it.
I agree with the OG comment and not the CC for once. Carnelian bug affects about 0.1% of the playerbase and Lucius It IS not really a bug. If you get proper regen, you can time ults with each application of shields. It would be extremely easy if he dispelled them all always. And again if It did, people who do not have him, can't really enjoy the game. You apply your logic on the cleanser cause It benefits ya. When It does not, It IS a bug, Its Broken, bad Game design. Let the difficult content be that. Difficult.
@@kairo8155 okay but difficulty is not correlated to accessibility which is why the cleanser issue is an ISSUE, the very idea of having to pull a specific hero that is in immensely limited supply to even stand a CHANCE is insane, even if you have Praetus and the most insane teams good luck being able to do acceptibly well on more than one difficulty… and that’s just because you didn’t pull Dassomi/elowyn who are both very hard to pull
chill bro, dont cry about it like it is end of the world that ppl cant hit 120k first 2 weeks of release.... look at rewards, 80k chest is literally identical to 120k chest so stop complaining, I hate this commie mindset that everything needs to be for everyone, this is exactly what ruins the games and competition
Yeahhh my main regret is that’s how I come off, what I meant is that it’s too hero restrictive for ALL STAGES of the content, bottom chest is too hard for apoc 2 and high chest apoc 1 if you only have 1 cleanser for both
@@Destined_WoR yes because it is gacha, there will always be some specific heroes and with time they will release more meta heroes for GB2 so even f2p or low spenders can get them but you cant expect them to solve this first 2 weeks of NEW major content release, there always needs to be something to work for or towards, end game content is not suppose to be easy for majority of playerbase
Everything needs to be attainable with enough skill. The fact that they've locked this behind essentially having Elowyn is complete BS - which is how a lot of the recent content has been. If you're going to make crap that requires cleaners then develop more cleansing heroes - specifically another epic. It doesn't have to be Elowyn level of good, but people need to at least have two non-legendary options that are actually viable.
@@hasahyo3762 yes but it’s not a good sign to basiclaly have it locked behind luck on legendaries most of which being ancient exclusive instead of just having 2 epic cleansers. that ALONE would make it better but currently it’s not something to “work towards” it’s something to use your wallet for and that is IT
@@Destined_WoR once again and for last t ime, NEW major content is out for 2 weeks only and u want solution right now... this is not how gachas work
I get the comment about "we dont have enough cleansers for venom phase". But i have to say, Guild Boss 2 is only for what..10% of the player base? Most of players dont do nothing to this boss because they are lacking in all other good legendary heroes, right? So its not just whales cant cleanse, its also this boss is just a whale guild boss. which is sad, to be honest.