Hi Angela. I'm not a goth and never pretended to be one but as an alternative person I respect the subculture and like some of its music and I find your videos highly inspirational & educating. You're a voice of common sense on this topic. Always eagerly waiting for your new videos. Thank you.
Oh geez, JM is HG--human garbage. The fact he shares a planet with us is triggering enough. No need to apologize about him. As for Itsblackfriday, she is hit or miss on goth things. Same with Toxic Tears (Kaya tho' I will argue was such in a bad relationship, she is now really finding herself). I think you're a sweetheart opening yourself up like this.
Yes reactive abuse, it really is a confusing manipulative game that leaves your head spinning until you realize what has actually taken place. The recovery process is definitely difficult. Thank you for touching on this subject again🖤
It's so disorienting. It's like you're on the receiving end of an onslaught and the other person might even be yelling or erratic in their behavior however once you snap and start to react, that person suddenly becomes incredibly calm and lucid. Their voice immediately softens, their face stoic and concerned as they watch you break down just so they can display how stable they are as you crumble into an absolute mess. It's all by design.
17:00 that part!! people don't fall into this subculture out of ignorance surrounding their mental health. they CHOOSE this path out of self-awareness and de-stigmatizing emotional expression.
My favorite example of a non presenting Goth is Simon Pegg. You would have NO idea by looking at him but he's super into the music. He's given an interview or two about it. He's also just an incredibly nice guy.
As a 50yo *gothabillypunk, I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness & self reflection. You remain true to yourself, while creating space for growth & learning. The baby bats can learn a lot from your content. My hubby is your age & I am slightly your elder, both outwardly aging “weirdos”. It’s a treat to see you share the guidance that can only come from being an elder. Brava!
Such a motivating message 🖤 I am one of the goths on the inside. I do wear mostly black and love my band shirts but never wore any goth outfits and kinda always did feel like it was a bit of a gated community. So this is lovely.
There are so many undercover goths out there. One of my dear friends is one of them! There are so many different reasons why a person doesn't dress the part whether it be a conscious effort or out of necessity. Either way, it's important that people like you don't feel as if you're not part of the subculture just because you're not out there gothing it up aesthetically.
Other than your DIY clothing videos, this type of video is my favourite from you. Honestly, you're so well-spoken and pleasant to listen to. Always a great day when you upload🖤🖤🦇🦇
Personally I just started discovering goth within this past year. I had always liked the style of dress throughout my life but I had no idea it was a music based subculture until I started dressing it myself and wanted to know more. What I like about the music is how a lot of songs seem to involve more bass. Thank you for sharing your information with me and being a part of my journey
You are so thorough and it is appreciated greatly. I love how you and your channel have unfolded over the years 🖤 And man...reactive abuse is such a mindf@ck. Thank you for bringing this up.
Thank you so much. I'm really glad that you enjoy the message. In hindsight I was really upset that I didn't include that part but at the time it was a bit overwhelming to be talking about it so it kind of slipped my mind. Either way, it's an important aspect to get out there because there are so many people conflicted by the same trauma brought on by reactive abuse not realizing that they had in fact suffered at the hands of it.
You're battle of equating music with our gothic subculture is not in vain. So-o-o many young goths mirror your words now, where just a couple of years ago--preach, choir, etc--it really was just being taken over by "style" via "e-girls" or whatevs. However, now at least most make efforts to mostly put in goth music into their little tik tok vids or Insta reels whereas prior they would put in some top 40 ish every single time.
thank you so much for sharing your experience with your trauma ❤️ i was recently diagnosed with ptsd and will be going into trauma therapy soon. i've been researching ptsd a lot since getting the diagnosis, but haven't really been able to find anyone who shares the same kind of feelings or experiences as me. and it was really validating to hear someone who's had a similar experience, especially from a creator who i look up to. thank you angela!
I have become jaded at times aftwr meeting many people who both misunderstand the culture and claim to be this and that without liking the music. But I try my best to keep the PMA and spread the culture to everyone I meet because it has lead me to some of the coolest people I have ever met, friends or otherwise. Keep doing what you do, Angela. I always appreciate watching your channel and I can't wait for the next Q&A or live
I’m not Goth but have had many friends who are/ were. From my experience it is a total package kinda thing. There are different aspects and all play a part. Fashion, music and mindset/beliefs. I could be wrong but this was the take I have always taken away from my experiences.
I’m 52 and have been watching your videos for a long time now. I appreciate your insight and guidance for baby 🦇 🦇 and others who are struggling with all aspects of the goth community 🖤
I subscribe after watching a few of your videos. I am not goth but growing up as a Gen X poc in a predominantly white community with an alcoholic father, I totally identify with your life stories. ✊🏾🖤
I have this bad habit of thinking that everybody else has their life together but me. I'm very grateful for you opening up about your vulnerabilities with us, it really makes me feel... human, sort speak. Than you, Angela❤
As a Goth, I don't care about what people think of me. However, my family makes it hard for me. :( I still love being a Goth and listening to Goth music though ^_^
I was a goth when I lived in Cali, but moving to Montana you have no one to hang with when you can not blend in. So I just slowly allowed it to only be on my inside. I still remember how much it was a fashion and the music for me. I just loved how I felt. Now that I am moving to a new state maybe I can revisit it again. I am glad many of us are still around. Social repose is emo. And Jake blah. He is such a worthless human. I am getting away from my abusive family and leaving them so far behind. SA was just one of the abusive things done to me.
Thank you so much for the content that you make. It really helped me get into the subculture 6 years ago and the pass the brush challenge led me to awfully sinister who led me to my local scene! 💜 I really do feel like I've found my home
It is really useful. The app is really meant to be used in conjunction with cognitive processing therapy with an actual therapist. But they can be quite expensive if they're not on your insurance plan so just figuring out the app and using it on your own is kind of the next best thing.
You have an instinctive sense of personal responsibility for your own choices, Angela. You being that way really helps to make the world a better place for other people.
girl you tried to warn us about jake munro 😂😝 (granted, the things he is disliked for now, are some actual problematic stuff, not because he's a poser) anyway, great video, sending lots of loce 💜💜
Thank you! I just feel bad for kaya. Glad she's moving on and getting on with her life, away from that nonsense. I'd imagine she's probably at the making up for lost time stage. It's fairly short but necessary. We all need that!
Thank you for taking the time to explain reactive abuse. I have experienced this with a relative whose personality traits align with covert narcissism.
I'm late in finding this. I hope you are well 3 yrs in the future. Lol. We goths have suffered for our art/style. From the beginning. We are most likely to survive anything that comes our way. We know how to suffer. I love what you do.
That's the hard part. Visiting and then the constant revisits to desensitize you from them. I wish there was a magic laser that could dull that part for us. It's definitely work!
I'm not so long time on your channel. I think I watched many important videos - about how your gothic life started, how it was to be a goth in 90s, about 90s Internet chats - I was impressed. I'm even not a goth, I'm from rapcore/alternative spectrum, but felt like a friendly soul when listened. In some sense I have platonic fetish to all subcultures (except nazi skinheads -they are rubbish). When I see goths, punks, metalheads, emo - I like them and think they all are my friendly souls in some way. I can disappoint later, yes. I expect they wikk think friendly about me too, cause 'we both are individualities and know what conflict with normies is', but some of them don't like me, and it's more sad then if normies don't like me - it's at least not surprising. Or if without sexualizing it can't be called a fetish? I don't know for 100%. I watched the story about your relations too. I feel sad that it happened with you. I don't know how to be in toxic relations, cause I'm aroace at all, but I know how is it - almost lost your own personality. I almost lost mine in other situation. And my mom is mow in abusive relations, so many people are, and they don't deserve it, and the victims are not guilty. You said that you are designer. I don't know - did you ever showed your clothing for followers? If not - I'm interested to see. Cause I make clothing (only for myself) too, and you have a good taste
My Mum is a very 'my way or the highway' type of person. My experience with reactive abuse is my Mum refusing to take 'no' for an answer and pestering me until I either do what she wants or stand my ground and fight for important things. Then, she gets even angrier and says I'm not to raise my voice to her/ how dare I argue with her etc. while totally ignoring the fact that this wasn't my initial reaction.
Thanks for a great video. A great gift is to get through tough life experiences and feel that you matured and grew from them. I got my share, including some reactive abuse and mind games. Luckily it only took 2 1/2 year to get through. Fortunately I had a good therapist supporting me through it. I got late into goth, after being into all the base cultural aspects, aesthetics, music, literature, fashion, through 20 years (late 70s to mid 90s). I discovered the subculture through the early internet. I like it because of its great bandwidth. Really well displayed at WGT, a wide range of music, fashion and cultural expressions. I have a very curious mind so I would never settle into a culturally walled garden. I love trad goth music, but also Beach boys, Tom Jones, Neneh Cherry, Bach, Rosalia and a lot more. My best advice to new goths up through the years: Go to goth clubs and events as early as possible in the evening. In my experience those who turn up then are "nice ones". The ones that organise events, build the community, and are very happy to see new faces. The arrogant elitist bunch that look disdainful on everyone not following the local codes usually turn up later, and could mostly be ignored.
Love how open and honest you are Angela. I’m a 55 year old goth who also loves fashion and has a trauma history as well, I truly relate to all you have shared. I wish you continued healing and happiness.
Thank you 🖤 fortunately when you have people that don't take it seriously, they eventually get bored and move on to the next thing. That's why it's important for people like us to do what we can to keep it going.
Love this video!!! You touched on my curious thoughts from the last video, trauma I've also been going to therapy for, among other topics. Thank you for this video and your vulnerability 🖤
Gosh I adore you. VJW here. Just changed my moniker. Just that silent viewer most of the time. You are such a well spoken evolved being. I greatly appreciate you.
It makes me happy hearing you say that about Its Black Friday, she is one of my favorite goth TH-camrs apart from you and I remember an older video of yours where you (if I remember correctly) expressed you weren't the biggest fan of hers because of the content she puts out. She was one of the first people I actively started watching on TH-cam and I'm pretty sure I found you through her because one of your videos was in my recommended. I stopped being as into her content as well after she only started posting unboxings and hauls but I still look up to her and love her a ton
My ex has recorded my reaction to his abuse and posted it on Tik Tok for everyone to see, just so he could "validate" that he's not the crazy one and how I'm crazy, psycho. He even told me how I MUST be jealous of his following because me trying to out him didn't create a following but he was able to pull it off. I still after a year feel uneasy about trying to get out there in the social media world because he slandered, smeared my name so bad..
That 's why I'm always myself and am always single because of it. I don't want to lead anyone to believe that I am a certain way, when I'm not. I don't like being single, but people just aren't attracted to me. I'm not trying to be unpleasant, I'm just being real, but it seems like people would rather be with someone who is perfect and I'm just not that person, so who cares how lonely I am? I'm just a mentally unstable asshole, unworthy of the love I need. 🥺😢😞
Thank you for sharing the dark past and sharing your strength Angela my gothic Sister goths sticks together through all darkness and mess we stand as one
@@angelabenedict thank you for being real and being Goth and helping in tough times and reaching out to other goths and helping build us up not as a cult but as rebels of music fashion and style I ripped n cut some of my clothes. Building a chain of subculture
I'm still listening to my old godhead, My ruin, Jack off Jill, Ministry, Skinny Puppy and ThrillKillKult albums to this day and still wear my crazy big pants as well as creating my own clothing because like you said everything is bland so I create artwork style pants,shirts,shoes and anything else I can ink on and always get the most attention off of custom clothes and I can show off my original artwork and I am 37 by the way haha.
I havent watched you in 4 years. I pulled my life together. But then it fell apart last november. I got my life together for a girl, and now I'm getting my life together for me. I don't have friends anymore or a girlfriend we broke up last november 😅 on a positive note I've become an aba registered behavioral therapist. One step at a time in the same fashion my ex and her father helped me to get up out of my rut I will walk out of this rut. My problem is now I've become hyper focused on my life and I disregard everything else
Always great content, Angela! You're a wonderful human being and so happy to see other human beings express their personal growth. Inspirational, truly. Thank you!
16:42 Gah, all these things always annoyed me the BTGGF thing and being a "fetish" I had D cups in HS and am a G cup now and can't hide that I have boobs but the bigger boobs you naturally have the more of that BTGGF "fetish" you are. Then I have also been told things like "cut your wrists" or that I must be "mentally unstable" by being goth... I have never even attempted or considered cutting my wrists. I knew about 7 kids who had cut in HS but besides 1 goth kid, none of those other people I knew who were goth. The 1 goth kid also had issues with other things like doing drugs and they weren't someone I hung out with. honestly most of those kids who were cutting were doing drugs like Acid and E. Not saying that is related, just something I noticed as a teen.
My ex got me to react after a long period of narcissistic abuse. Turns out she recorded me losing it and shouting at her. She then sent it to everyone we knew and they all believed I was the crazy one. Some people are evil and just get away with it. The only consolation I tell myself is that she must be so damaged and unhappy inside that she feels the need to do these kinds of things.
I feel that since Angela is putting her feelings out there I must air some of my views, This may be problematic but here it goes.....I do not think main stream Abrahamic beliefs belong ANYWHERE near Goth. I may not be as verbal about it as I was in the 90's but yeah.....I used to argue with 'Christian' or 'Muslim' 'Goths' online that there is nothing for you in our culture. Though I still believe this I am more forgiving to a point in my older age, Being Spiritual is totally cool with me now and I sometimes partake in what our reality is and the history of Space/Science and humanities place therein. Anyway sorry bout it. Love the video so far Angie 🖤🍎🐍🖤
I'm just about to embark on therapy, after waiting years to be ready/financially able to. I'm pretty nervous about it! But this came at the right time for me. Thank you Angela, your insights are always so appreciated ❤️
I been going to goth clubs and festivals for almost 20 years. My fashion is not goth at all and I’m accepted. Best community ever. ItsBlackFriday is a real goth for sure. Seen her at WGT years back. I think it’s her followers that are most irritating to some of us. Stereotypes get created etc.
I'm so glad you found acceptance. It's the best feeling when you realize you've found your home and your people. I definitely agree with you about how the followers can oftentimes either be 'too much' or misconstrue the message and become problematic when the content creator isn't the problem.
@@angelabenedict I love all kinds of music, however, the goth scene really won me over with the music and people. I’ve lucked out and found life-long friends in it. Being hispanic and gay, I was always one of the “others” in normie society. Yes, there has been elitists but they usually don’t stay life-long members of the community. Keep up the great work with the channel 💜
Fantastic vid, Angela! I've only recently began dipping my toe into the subculture for over a month, investing myself into Post Punk, Darkwave etc and I've well and truly fallen in love with it Only now at 28, through multiple identity crises', have I discovered something that would've done wonders for my mental and even physical health at 14 in school. But that's where TikTok confuses me - so many are adamant on Goth being a fashion culture and downright refuse to acknowledge the music and I can't fathom why when it's downright amazing. I's full of mystery, eariness, makes me feel as though I've stepped into my own world. The entire subculture is so tranquil, and puts a smile on my face. I look forward to really delving into it, and I'm thankful channels like yours exist to actually educate those posers and us babybats on actually being Goth. You've taught us so much. 🤗
Love your video! Could you please give me some goth clubs to check out in NYC. I will be there on Thursday to Monday. I'm willing to travel, but I'll be starting out in matthattan. I would definitely appreciate it. 🖤
I thought this was going be another of those videos you eluded to. Here is my problem as someone whom had started as a J Rock and Visual Kei. Even if one switched their interests, and focused exclusively on American Goth Roxk. What happens when they become a musician, and carry over that influence? Turns out Coldwave meets J Rock ends up very similar to Gothic Metal. So the bulk my issue is with the "Goth Rock isnt Gothic Metal" types. It offers nothing useful to people whom came from Visual Kei first. Also trying to also supplement Pinterest to fill in the gaps of my knowledge, and my actual aim is character reference outfits for a webcomic. That is for a gothic fiction. Gothic fiction and goth rock is not the same thing.
† On the fashion thing, it was actually a breath of fresh air to have someone not be so focused on the clothes. The landscape of the "goth" TH-cam back in the early-mid 2010s was very polarizing when it came to the music because so many "goth" channels would only talk about fashion and not much else. And some of the darkly-inclined channels calling themselves "goth" who did talk about "goth music", they would be talking about bands like Evanescence, Marilyn Manson, HIM, Type O Negative, Nine Inch Nails, and Rammstein, pretty much bands that weren't goth at all and if you so much as uttered actual goth bands and dared say that those bands were not goth, you were called an "elitist", "gatekeeper", and/or "bully". So to have someone actually speak on the music and not be ashamed of it while explaining why those aforementioned bands weren't goth in a non-condescending way was more than necessary and in turn, helped many newcomers actually get into the scene and learn what it truly was, by getting exposed and encouraged to trying out actual goth bands and this snowball effect lead to where nowadays you have more newcomers who actually know goth music or at the very least are given the true resourcers of getting into the scene thanks to playlists and discussion videos about the music. Compared to 2010 to about 2015 when this stuff was hardly spoken about, this an amazing thing. And though there are still people who think that the scene is about fashion/clothes and listening to metal music, there are others who understand and learn that the scene is a music-based subculture (based around goth, deathrock, darkwave, and ethereal wave) and they can make their own decision if they want to go through with it or understand & realize that they don't need to be goth to like dark things. It's beautiful. You did your part spreading helpful information and now it's fine to talk about the fashion because it won't take away the music help you have provided on your channel. † As for the call outs, it was a necessary evil that had to be done because many of them had (and continue to have) large platforms that were spreading the misinformation and sometimes even negative stereotypes (the ones who called themselves "goth thots"). Someone had to speak out against it otherwise things probably would've gotten worse. It's one thing when you have someone like It's Black Friday making content that isn't necessarily targeted at goths because she does play goth music in her videos at the very list and hasn't spread misinformation about what goth music actually vs someone like Jake Munro, Toxic Tears, and Social Repose where it's just obvious they aren't into the music but try spreading the whole "goth mindset" shtick. But at this point in time, there's enough actual goths helping with exposing the actual music to anyone who is interested in truly learning about the goth scene.
It's really creepy to try to take advantage of mentally ill people, and people with issues with self-esteem and family, goth or not. Victims of these issues are often not submissives coming from a healthy place. True submission comes from a place of having self-esteem and power over yourself, then CHOOSING to give to someone else out of TRUST, not fear of abuse or abandonment. I know this might sound gatekeepy, but I am trying to show the difference between ethical, chosen power exchange and abuse. I am not saying people with mental illness can't be in a ethical PE relationship, I am saying the way the relationship forms and continues show if it is healthy and ethical. An ethical dominant negotiates, respects limits, and knows consent should be able to ended at any time without fear of backlash or abuse. Please take care of yourselves, and watch out for others. ❤❤❤
I Stan a person who can change given more information. It’s easy to get stuck in our opinions I’m happy to see you and I hope you’re doing well. I thought about you as the world was finding out Russell Brand is a creep. My sincerest wish is that it didn’t bring up bad memories.
It's creeping me the F out, for sure. I got a lump in my throat when I heard the accusations and it got even worse when they mentioned the timeline - It happened around 2009 when he was in NY promoting a movie. I never met up with him, talked to him on the phone a bunch but never met up. I'm so glad that I didn't.
I do think you are an amazing ambassador for the goth subculture. And I agree with things you said. Just feel sad TH-cam itself destroy the possibilities with letting others now music with all those copyright things. It was easier back in the days to introduce curious people to the music. And also I have lived in that type of relation ships too, sadly. Thanks for sharing all with us Angela. And stay safe gorgeous 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
Laura Purdy's Pale Court stuff can still be looked at on the wayback machine. The nostalgia and tragedy of it came to mind when you were talking about fashion. I feel like Kambriel, Purdy, and others were more part of the scene(than just people who make dark themed clothing) because they patronized goth musicians and artists, and vice versa.
A few years ago, I attended a few college classes. There were Goths in my classes. I was old enough to be their grandparents, but they accepted me and were very approachable. They were some of the nicest and academically astute people I've ever encountered. I could discern that a few of my fellow classmates came from troubled families or relationships. I befriended a lovely young Goth lady. Over time, she confided in me. She told me about physical and mental abuse from her guy. I told her to get away from him, stay away from him and begin bonding more with her father, mother, and siblings. The lady ended up obtaining a restraining order against her ex-guy. I suggested that she attend groups for women who've suffered abuse. I also encouraged her to find wisdom in The Book of Proverbs. The last I saw of her was before Christmas 2022. She was with her family and new-found boyfriend. I could tell she was living a loving and fulfilled life. Thanks, Angela Benedict. Stay safe. 🐈⬛
Up until recently I was on a FB page called Goth Guys Are Hot number one rule is to post handsome Goth guys no problem right? Errr me gerds! I am an old school early 90s goth, I do not dress and or look it anymore but my music is still Bauhaus, Sisters, Skinny Puppy etc. So when they posted metal or alternative guys. Used to drive me nuts when someone would say oh it is about what's in your heart not the music. Gah No! it is literally all about the music,! because I would not call myself a Goth, although I love black If my music taste was just merely 80s or Dark wave or New wave or electronic. It is not I mean yes I do love that stuff as well but my heart sings to Goth music. Also HIM is pop music made to look goth lol
Absolutely fantastic video! You deserve to be very proud of yourself for all the work you’ve been putting into your mental and overall well-being. I’m not sure if you need to hear this, but you’re doing a great job 🖤
Thanks for your older videos, about a month ago I made a decision and broke up with someone who was treating me like your ex. It was incredibly hard for me for seeing that person doing this same method: blaming everything on me, on my mental health for his bad decisions. He was the one who felt the more hurt than me. I was able to see the technique through your story, and realized he's turning me grey slowly, but more subtle ways, like not saying having tattoos are bad or my piercing is ugly, just throwing that he would be sad for those on me. He knew my history of domestic abuse, and made it very uncomfortable for me having a nose piercing. Or mentioning nose rings are not pretty, not feminine enough. Even though I gave him the benefit of the doubt for not knowing that much social norms and empathy we was still manipulating me. Just to know that my story has a kinda happy ending: Last week I bought myself a nose ring. And never felt so empowered within a year. I hope Angela's video help others too 🖤🖤 Also, I'm glad for mentioning that Munro uses the gothbranding for himself to make money, and tended to hide very well his abusive and creepy behvaiour toward fans and others int he community. By letting anyone use goths to playout social norms and dodge any type of controversy or consequences just ending up all horrible stereotypes about us. And those who suffer from those sellout abusers are turning that person to a "missing stair"- a problem that goes ignored, because no one wants to face the issue that would confirm bad stereotypes.
Music based, less problematic. I do the Midwest goth style. We're as NYC influenced as Southern Goth (not to be confused with Southern Gothic literature, much of which is racist).
The narcissists abuse is a bitch . I have come to realize I have always attracted narcissists my mom my close friend my husband and my 2 girls who look like there dad and act like him too. I can't wrap my head around why. Thank you so much for sharing you experiences.
I might be guilty of some of those things in terms of getting genres Mixed up in my younger years ha-ha. but I always have been drawn to Alternative Subculture's I enjoy Death Rock Ethereal Wave & Post punk over all While enjoying other kinds of Music. you are the best Commentator on the Goth Subculture by far on this Site. you always have good Story's to Share good video as always Angela. thing about Music Subcultures to me they are a Living Art not just Aesthetic Fades that come & go. Worlds / Dreams are built into the Psyche these things are part of us 😎 it's always good to be passionate about something. my take on gate keeping there should be Standards as opposed to None but not to many.
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So happy with this. Felt like I battled with listening to goth music but not dressing “goth” and feeling like I could claim to be goth. Meanwhile you have people who dressing in “style of goth “ and not even listening to the music.
Simply put, to be Gothic or 'Goth' one need only have a natural, not forced, affinity for and attraction to the morose, morbid, melancholy and macabre facets of life, expressed primarily through music, fashion, art and literature, in addition but not limited to, cosmetology, architecture, film/cinema, poetry, dance and other forms of expression. If the 'Goth' subculture is solely about the style or genre of music, why the specific aesthetic and accoutrements, why all the black, bats, skulls, spiders and coffins. "There's a difference between Gothic and Goth!", they cry! Gothic music, just like Gothic Fashion, existed long before the 1980's and can be heard throughout the classical music genre, via composers like Wagner, Beethoven, Mozart, Debussy and many others.
Hi Angela. I'm not a goth and never pretended to be one but as an alternative person I respect the subculture and like some of its music and I find your videos highly inspirational & educating. You're a voice of common sense on this topic. Always eagerly waiting for your new videos. Thank you.
Oh geez, JM is HG--human garbage. The fact he shares a planet with us is triggering enough. No need to apologize about him. As for Itsblackfriday, she is hit or miss on goth things. Same with Toxic Tears (Kaya tho' I will argue was such in a bad relationship, she is now really finding herself). I think you're a sweetheart opening yourself up like this.
Yes reactive abuse, it really is a confusing manipulative game that leaves your head spinning until you realize what has actually taken place. The recovery process is definitely difficult. Thank you for touching on this subject again🖤
It's so disorienting. It's like you're on the receiving end of an onslaught and the other person might even be yelling or erratic in their behavior however once you snap and start to react, that person suddenly becomes incredibly calm and lucid. Their voice immediately softens, their face stoic and concerned as they watch you break down just so they can display how stable they are as you crumble into an absolute mess. It's all by design.
17:00 that part!! people don't fall into this subculture out of ignorance surrounding their mental health. they CHOOSE this path out of self-awareness and de-stigmatizing emotional expression.
My favorite example of a non presenting Goth is Simon Pegg. You would have NO idea by looking at him but he's super into the music. He's given an interview or two about it. He's also just an incredibly nice guy.
As a 50yo *gothabillypunk, I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness & self reflection. You remain true to yourself, while creating space for growth & learning. The baby bats can learn a lot from your content. My hubby is your age & I am slightly your elder, both outwardly aging “weirdos”. It’s a treat to see you share the guidance that can only come from being an elder. Brava!
Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing!!!!
You're very welcome, thanks for watching and listening 🖤🖤🖤
Such a motivating message 🖤 I am one of the goths on the inside. I do wear mostly black and love my band shirts but never wore any goth outfits and kinda always did feel like it was a bit of a gated community. So this is lovely.
There are so many undercover goths out there. One of my dear friends is one of them! There are so many different reasons why a person doesn't dress the part whether it be a conscious effort or out of necessity. Either way, it's important that people like you don't feel as if you're not part of the subculture just because you're not out there gothing it up aesthetically.
@@angelabenedict 🤗
Other than your DIY clothing videos, this type of video is my favourite from you. Honestly, you're so well-spoken and pleasant to listen to. Always a great day when you upload🖤🖤🦇🦇
Thank you so much! I need to do another DIY. I feel like we're a bit overdue!
Personally I just started discovering goth within this past year. I had always liked the style of dress throughout my life but I had no idea it was a music based subculture until I started dressing it myself and wanted to know more. What I like about the music is how a lot of songs seem to involve more bass. Thank you for sharing your information with me and being a part of my journey
You are so thorough and it is appreciated greatly.
I love how you and your channel have unfolded over the years 🖤
And man...reactive abuse is such a mindf@ck. Thank you for bringing this up.
Thank you so much. I'm really glad that you enjoy the message. In hindsight I was really upset that I didn't include that part but at the time it was a bit overwhelming to be talking about it so it kind of slipped my mind. Either way, it's an important aspect to get out there because there are so many people conflicted by the same trauma brought on by reactive abuse not realizing that they had in fact suffered at the hands of it.
Thanks for being smart, thoughtful, introspective, a good storyteller, vulnerable, and just real. You’re a cool cat, Angela.
You're battle of equating music with our gothic subculture is not in vain. So-o-o many young goths mirror your words now, where just a couple of years ago--preach, choir, etc--it really was just being taken over by "style" via "e-girls" or whatevs. However, now at least most make efforts to mostly put in goth music into their little tik tok vids or Insta reels whereas prior they would put in some top 40 ish every single time.
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thank you so much for sharing your experience with your trauma ❤️ i was recently diagnosed with ptsd and will be going into trauma therapy soon. i've been researching ptsd a lot since getting the diagnosis, but haven't really been able to find anyone who shares the same kind of feelings or experiences as me. and it was really validating to hear someone who's had a similar experience, especially from a creator who i look up to. thank you angela!
I have become jaded at times aftwr meeting many people who both misunderstand the culture and claim to be this and that without liking the music. But I try my best to keep the PMA and spread the culture to everyone I meet because it has lead me to some of the coolest people I have ever met, friends or otherwise. Keep doing what you do, Angela. I always appreciate watching your channel and I can't wait for the next Q&A or live
I’m not Goth but have had many friends who are/ were. From my experience it is a total package kinda thing. There are different aspects and all play a part. Fashion, music and mindset/beliefs. I could be wrong but this was the take I have always taken away from my experiences.
I love how much more your channel gives than hauls, fashion and makeup.
I'm proud I just gave you the 100th like on today's video! 🥳
I’m 52 and have been watching your videos for a long time now. I appreciate your insight and guidance for
baby 🦇 🦇 and others who are struggling with all aspects of the goth community 🖤
I subscribe after watching a few of your videos.
I am not goth but growing up as a Gen X poc in a predominantly white community with an alcoholic father, I totally identify with your life stories. ✊🏾🖤
I have this bad habit of thinking that everybody else has their life together but me. I'm very grateful for you opening up about your vulnerabilities with us, it really makes me feel... human, sort speak. Than you, Angela❤
As a Goth, I don't care about what people think of me. However, my family makes it hard for me. :(
I still love being a Goth and listening to Goth music though ^_^
I was a goth when I lived in Cali, but moving to Montana you have no one to hang with when you can not blend in. So I just slowly allowed it to only be on my inside. I still remember how much it was a fashion and the music for me. I just loved how I felt. Now that I am moving to a new state maybe I can revisit it again. I am glad many of us are still around. Social repose is emo. And Jake blah. He is such a worthless human.
I am getting away from my abusive family and leaving them so far behind. SA was just one of the abusive things done to me.
I had some setbacks trying to make comeback slowly glad I found your channel again Youre better than ever You are a beacon of light for people
Thank you so much for the content that you make. It really helped me get into the subculture 6 years ago and the pass the brush challenge led me to awfully sinister who led me to my local scene! 💜 I really do feel like I've found my home
Hm, this trauma therapy is kind of a cool idea. I have quite the number of past events and mistakes to select from :D
It is really useful. The app is really meant to be used in conjunction with cognitive processing therapy with an actual therapist. But they can be quite expensive if they're not on your insurance plan so just figuring out the app and using it on your own is kind of the next best thing.
You have an instinctive sense of personal responsibility for your own choices, Angela. You being that way really helps to make the world a better place for other people.
girl you tried to warn us about jake munro 😂😝 (granted, the things he is disliked for now, are some actual problematic stuff, not because he's a poser)
anyway, great video, sending lots of loce 💜💜
Thank you! I just feel bad for kaya. Glad she's moving on and getting on with her life, away from that nonsense. I'd imagine she's probably at the making up for lost time stage. It's fairly short but necessary. We all need that!
Thanks for sharing your story with US people from the Internet 😁😁😊😊 Love the content.
You're very welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it 🖤
@@angelabenedict 😁😁😊
Thank you for taking the time to explain reactive abuse. I have experienced this with a relative whose personality traits align with covert narcissism.
I'm late in finding this. I hope you are well 3 yrs in the future. Lol. We goths have suffered for our art/style. From the beginning. We are most likely to survive anything that comes our way. We know how to suffer. I love what you do.
Definitely for trauma recovery you need to come back to those bad memories over and over... hoping for more videos like this :)
That's the hard part. Visiting and then the constant revisits to desensitize you from them. I wish there was a magic laser that could dull that part for us. It's definitely work!
@@angelabenedict If there was a magic laser.. there's countless of things we could do with it.. ~~
I'm not so long time on your channel.
I think I watched many important videos - about how your gothic life started, how it was to be a goth in 90s, about 90s Internet chats - I was impressed. I'm even not a goth, I'm from rapcore/alternative spectrum, but felt like a friendly soul when listened.
In some sense I have platonic fetish to all subcultures (except nazi skinheads -they are rubbish).
When I see goths, punks, metalheads, emo - I like them and think they all are my friendly souls in some way. I can disappoint later, yes. I expect they wikk think friendly about me too, cause 'we both are individualities and know what conflict with normies is', but some of them don't like me, and it's more sad then if normies don't like me - it's at least not surprising.
Or if without sexualizing it can't be called a fetish? I don't know for 100%.
I watched the story about your relations too. I feel sad that it happened with you. I don't know how to be in toxic relations, cause I'm aroace at all, but I know how is it - almost lost your own personality. I almost lost mine in other situation. And my mom is mow in abusive relations, so many people are, and they don't deserve it, and the victims are not guilty.
You said that you are designer. I don't know - did you ever showed your clothing for followers? If not - I'm interested to see. Cause I make clothing (only for myself) too, and you have a good taste
Love how I knew exactly who you were talking about when you brought up Jake Munro and hadn't said his name yet
Thank you Angela. Im happy to say I'm on the same healing path after what my last partner did to me.
My Mum is a very 'my way or the highway' type of person. My experience with reactive abuse is my Mum refusing to take 'no' for an answer and pestering me until I either do what she wants or stand my ground and fight for important things. Then, she gets even angrier and says I'm not to raise my voice to her/ how dare I argue with her etc. while totally ignoring the fact that this wasn't my initial reaction.
Thanks for a great video. A great gift is to get through tough life experiences and feel that you matured and grew from them. I got my share, including some reactive abuse and mind games. Luckily it only took 2 1/2 year to get through. Fortunately I had a good therapist supporting me through it. I got late into goth, after being into all the base cultural aspects, aesthetics, music, literature, fashion, through 20 years (late 70s to mid 90s). I discovered the subculture through the early internet. I like it because of its great bandwidth. Really well displayed at WGT, a wide range of music, fashion and cultural expressions. I have a very curious mind so I would never settle into a culturally walled garden. I love trad goth music, but also Beach boys, Tom Jones, Neneh Cherry, Bach, Rosalia and a lot more. My best advice to new goths up through the years: Go to goth clubs and events as early as possible in the evening. In my experience those who turn up then are "nice ones". The ones that organise events, build the community, and are very happy to see new faces. The arrogant elitist bunch that look disdainful on everyone not following the local codes usually turn up later, and could mostly be ignored.
Love how open and honest you are Angela. I’m a 55 year old goth who also loves fashion and has a trauma history as well, I truly relate to all you have shared. I wish you continued healing and happiness.
You have expressed yourself well on the scene. It probably won’t grow and mature with people who really don’t understand or take it seriously
Thank you 🖤 fortunately when you have people that don't take it seriously, they eventually get bored and move on to the next thing. That's why it's important for people like us to do what we can to keep it going.
Love this video!!! You touched on my curious thoughts from the last video, trauma I've also been going to therapy for, among other topics. Thank you for this video and your vulnerability 🖤
Well now I know what reactive abuse is thanks to you and now know that I've been through it
First, love your videos!! :)💖
Yay! Thank you!
Thank you Angela.
You are very welcome 🖤
Okay I will say "Age of Excess" sounds like a killer goth band name TBH.
"Eyeliner or not, talk about it." Love that, that's my new saying
I think I was the victim of reactive abuse for 23 years, but neber heard of it until now. Thank you for the eye opening info ❤
Gosh I adore you. VJW here. Just changed my moniker. Just that silent viewer most of the time. You are such a well spoken evolved being. I greatly appreciate you.
It makes me happy hearing you say that about Its Black Friday, she is one of my favorite goth TH-camrs apart from you and I remember an older video of yours where you (if I remember correctly) expressed you weren't the biggest fan of hers because of the content she puts out. She was one of the first people I actively started watching on TH-cam and I'm pretty sure I found you through her because one of your videos was in my recommended. I stopped being as into her content as well after she only started posting unboxings and hauls but I still look up to her and love her a ton
My ex has recorded my reaction to his abuse and posted it on Tik Tok for everyone to see, just so he could "validate" that he's not the crazy one and how I'm crazy, psycho. He even told me how I MUST be jealous of his following because me trying to out him didn't create a following but he was able to pull it off. I still after a year feel uneasy about trying to get out there in the social media world because he slandered, smeared my name so bad..
That 's why I'm always myself and am always single because of it. I don't want to lead anyone to believe that I am a certain way, when I'm not. I don't like being single, but people just aren't attracted to me. I'm not trying to be unpleasant, I'm just being real, but it seems like people would rather be with someone who is perfect and I'm just not that person, so who cares how lonely I am? I'm just a mentally unstable asshole, unworthy of the love I need. 🥺😢😞
Thank you for sharing the dark past and sharing your strength Angela my gothic Sister goths sticks together through all darkness and mess we stand as one
You're very welcome. Thank you so much for the kind words. Agreed, we gotta stick together!
@@angelabenedict thank you for being real and being Goth and helping in tough times and reaching out to other goths and helping build us up not as a cult but as rebels of music fashion and style I ripped n cut some of my clothes. Building a chain of subculture
Honestly I'm not even goth I'm more into metal and emo I just think your videos are cool
I'm still listening to my old godhead, My ruin, Jack off Jill, Ministry, Skinny Puppy and ThrillKillKult albums to this day and still wear my crazy big pants as well as creating my own clothing because like you said everything is bland so I create artwork style pants,shirts,shoes and anything else I can ink on and always get the most attention off of custom clothes and I can show off my original artwork and I am 37 by the way haha.
What does age have to do with anything?
I havent watched you in 4 years. I pulled my life together. But then it fell apart last november. I got my life together for a girl, and now I'm getting my life together for me. I don't have friends anymore or a girlfriend we broke up last november 😅 on a positive note I've become an aba registered behavioral therapist. One step at a time in the same fashion my ex and her father helped me to get up out of my rut I will walk out of this rut. My problem is now I've become hyper focused on my life and I disregard everything else
Always great content, Angela! You're a wonderful human being and so happy to see other human beings express their personal growth. Inspirational, truly. Thank you!
16:42 Gah, all these things always annoyed me the BTGGF thing and being a "fetish" I had D cups in HS and am a G cup now and can't hide that I have boobs but the bigger boobs you naturally have the more of that BTGGF "fetish" you are. Then I have also been told things like "cut your wrists" or that I must be "mentally unstable" by being goth... I have never even attempted or considered cutting my wrists.
I knew about 7 kids who had cut in HS but besides 1 goth kid, none of those other people I knew who were goth. The 1 goth kid also had issues with other things like doing drugs and they weren't someone I hung out with. honestly most of those kids who were cutting were doing drugs like Acid and E.
Not saying that is related, just something I noticed as a teen.
where is the dragon necklace from gorgeous
I love your channel ❤
My ex got me to react after a long period of narcissistic abuse. Turns out she recorded me losing it and shouting at her. She then sent it to everyone we knew and they all believed I was the crazy one. Some people are evil and just get away with it. The only consolation I tell myself is that she must be so damaged and unhappy inside that she feels the need to do these kinds of things.
I feel that since Angela is putting her feelings out there I must air some of my views, This may be problematic but here it goes.....I do not think main stream Abrahamic beliefs belong ANYWHERE near Goth. I may not be as verbal about it as I was in the 90's but yeah.....I used to argue with 'Christian' or 'Muslim' 'Goths' online that there is nothing for you in our culture.
Though I still believe this I am more forgiving to a point in my older age, Being Spiritual is totally cool with me now and I sometimes partake in what our reality is and the history of Space/Science and humanities place therein.
Anyway sorry bout it. Love the video so far Angie 🖤🍎🐍🖤
Anorher brilliant video! 💜
Well here you are to wrap up the weekend just right. A week after my birthday but ill take it😊
I'm just about to embark on therapy, after waiting years to be ready/financially able to. I'm pretty nervous about it! But this came at the right time for me. Thank you Angela, your insights are always so appreciated ❤️
I been going to goth clubs and festivals for almost 20 years. My fashion is not goth at all and I’m accepted. Best community ever.
ItsBlackFriday is a real goth for sure. Seen her at WGT years back. I think it’s her followers that are most irritating to some of us. Stereotypes get created etc.
I'm so glad you found acceptance. It's the best feeling when you realize you've found your home and your people. I definitely agree with you about how the followers can oftentimes either be 'too much' or misconstrue the message and become problematic when the content creator isn't the problem.
@@angelabenedict I love all kinds of music, however, the goth scene really won me over with the music and people. I’ve lucked out and found life-long friends in it. Being hispanic and gay, I was always one of the “others” in normie society. Yes, there has been elitists but they usually don’t stay life-long members of the community. Keep up the great work with the channel 💜
Girllllll I need that topwear :( Where could I get one like that?
Fantastic vid, Angela! I've only recently began dipping my toe into the subculture for over a month, investing myself into Post Punk, Darkwave etc and I've well and truly fallen in love with it Only now at 28, through multiple identity crises', have I discovered something that would've done wonders for my mental and even physical health at 14 in school.
But that's where TikTok confuses me - so many are adamant on Goth being a fashion culture and downright refuse to acknowledge the music and I can't fathom why when it's downright amazing. I's full of mystery, eariness, makes me feel as though I've stepped into my own world. The entire subculture is so tranquil, and puts a smile on my face. I look forward to really delving into it, and I'm thankful channels like yours exist to actually educate those posers and us babybats on actually being Goth. You've taught us so much. 🤗
Thank you for sharing & have a good week
Thank you, you too
@@angelabenedict I'll try but it's going to be bad with long boring meetings at work until Friday
I love ya videos. You really give some great advice & tips for the scene.
Love your video! Could you please give me some goth clubs to check out in NYC. I will be there on Thursday to Monday. I'm willing to travel, but I'll be starting out in matthattan. I would definitely appreciate it. 🖤
I thought this was going be another of those videos you eluded to.
Here is my problem as someone whom had started as a J Rock and Visual Kei.
Even if one switched their interests, and focused exclusively on American Goth Roxk. What happens when they become a musician, and carry over that influence?
Turns out Coldwave meets J Rock ends up very similar to Gothic Metal.
So the bulk my issue is with the "Goth Rock isnt Gothic Metal" types. It offers nothing useful to people whom came from Visual Kei first.
Also trying to also supplement Pinterest to fill in the gaps of my knowledge, and my actual aim is character reference outfits for a webcomic. That is for a gothic fiction. Gothic fiction and goth rock is not the same thing.
You are awesome angela love you're videos you are an intelligent dtrong womanyou always have great fashion
Thank you! 😊
† On the fashion thing, it was actually a breath of fresh air to have someone not be so focused on the clothes. The landscape of the "goth" TH-cam back in the early-mid 2010s was very polarizing when it came to the music because so many "goth" channels would only talk about fashion and not much else. And some of the darkly-inclined channels calling themselves "goth" who did talk about "goth music", they would be talking about bands like Evanescence, Marilyn Manson, HIM, Type O Negative, Nine Inch Nails, and Rammstein, pretty much bands that weren't goth at all and if you so much as uttered actual goth bands and dared say that those bands were not goth, you were called an "elitist", "gatekeeper", and/or "bully". So to have someone actually speak on the music and not be ashamed of it while explaining why those aforementioned bands weren't goth in a non-condescending way was more than necessary and in turn, helped many newcomers actually get into the scene and learn what it truly was, by getting exposed and encouraged to trying out actual goth bands and this snowball effect lead to where nowadays you have more newcomers who actually know goth music or at the very least are given the true resourcers of getting into the scene thanks to playlists and discussion videos about the music.
Compared to 2010 to about 2015 when this stuff was hardly spoken about, this an amazing thing. And though there are still people who think that the scene is about fashion/clothes and listening to metal music, there are others who understand and learn that the scene is a music-based subculture (based around goth, deathrock, darkwave, and ethereal wave) and they can make their own decision if they want to go through with it or understand & realize that they don't need to be goth to like dark things. It's beautiful. You did your part spreading helpful information and now it's fine to talk about the fashion because it won't take away the music help you have provided on your channel.
† As for the call outs, it was a necessary evil that had to be done because many of them had (and continue to have) large platforms that were spreading the misinformation and sometimes even negative stereotypes (the ones who called themselves "goth thots"). Someone had to speak out against it otherwise things probably would've gotten worse. It's one thing when you have someone like It's Black Friday making content that isn't necessarily targeted at goths because she does play goth music in her videos at the very list and hasn't spread misinformation about what goth music actually vs someone like Jake Munro, Toxic Tears, and Social Repose where it's just obvious they aren't into the music but try spreading the whole "goth mindset" shtick. But at this point in time, there's enough actual goths helping with exposing the actual music to anyone who is interested in truly learning about the goth scene.
Transphobes like yourself don't belong here. Get out.
It's really creepy to try to take advantage of mentally ill people, and people with issues with self-esteem and family, goth or not.
Victims of these issues are often not submissives coming from a healthy place. True submission comes from a place of having self-esteem and power over yourself, then CHOOSING to give to someone else out of TRUST, not fear of abuse or abandonment.
I know this might sound gatekeepy, but I am trying to show the difference between ethical, chosen power exchange and abuse. I am not saying people with mental illness can't be in a ethical PE relationship, I am saying the way the relationship forms and continues show if it is healthy and ethical.
An ethical dominant negotiates, respects limits, and knows consent should be able to ended at any time without fear of backlash or abuse.
Please take care of yourselves, and watch out for others.
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🌟❤i love you always keeping real with your content
I Stan a person who can change given more information. It’s easy to get stuck in our opinions
I’m happy to see you and I hope you’re doing well. I thought about you as the world was finding out Russell Brand is a creep. My sincerest wish is that it didn’t bring up bad memories.
It's creeping me the F out, for sure. I got a lump in my throat when I heard the accusations and it got even worse when they mentioned the timeline - It happened around 2009 when he was in NY promoting a movie. I never met up with him, talked to him on the phone a bunch but never met up. I'm so glad that I didn't.
@@angelabenedictgod yeah it’s a mindfuck . So glad you didn’t meet with him either.
I do think you are an amazing ambassador for the goth subculture.
And I agree with things you said.
Just feel sad TH-cam itself destroy the possibilities with letting others now music with all those copyright things. It was easier back in the days to introduce curious people to the music.
And also I have lived in that type of relation ships too, sadly.
Thanks for sharing all with us Angela. And stay safe gorgeous 🦇🖤🖤🖤🖤🦇
I really do love meeting fellow goths in online games
Laura Purdy's Pale Court stuff can still be looked at on the wayback machine. The nostalgia and tragedy of it came to mind when you were talking about fashion. I feel like Kambriel, Purdy, and others were more part of the scene(than just people who make dark themed clothing) because they patronized goth musicians and artists, and vice versa.
A few years ago, I attended a few college classes. There were Goths in my classes. I was old enough to be their grandparents, but they accepted me and were very approachable. They were some of the nicest and academically astute people I've ever encountered. I could discern that a few of my fellow classmates came from troubled families or relationships. I befriended a lovely young Goth lady. Over time, she confided in me. She told me about physical and mental abuse from her guy. I told her to get away from him, stay away from him and begin bonding more with her father, mother, and siblings. The lady ended up obtaining a restraining order against her ex-guy. I suggested that she attend groups for women who've suffered abuse. I also encouraged her to find wisdom in The Book of Proverbs. The last I saw of her was before Christmas 2022. She was with her family and new-found boyfriend. I could tell she was living a loving and fulfilled life. Thanks, Angela Benedict. Stay safe. 🐈⬛
Without your impression of beauty I don’t think I would want to look at my phone 📱
Up until recently I was on a FB page called Goth Guys Are Hot number one rule is to post handsome Goth guys no problem right? Errr me gerds! I am an old school early 90s goth, I do not dress and or look it anymore but my music is still Bauhaus, Sisters, Skinny Puppy etc. So when they posted metal or alternative guys. Used to drive me nuts when someone would say oh it is about what's in your heart not the music. Gah No! it is literally all about the music,! because I would not call myself a Goth, although I love black If my music taste was just merely 80s or Dark wave or New wave or electronic. It is not I mean yes I do love that stuff as well but my heart sings to Goth music. Also HIM is pop music made to look goth lol
No misconception - half of all alternative people I've found are absolute trouble.
Absolutely fantastic video! You deserve to be very proud of yourself for all the work you’ve been putting into your mental and overall well-being. I’m not sure if you need to hear this, but you’re doing a great job 🖤
The video was really good!!!!
I'm glad you liked it!
Anytime you want to play some Halo CE co-op on steam just let me know , Hope ya'll are having an awesome day Angie much
Hey! I'll keep you posted!
@@angelabenedict Awesome...I'll send you my user name from steam via E-mail
@@angelabenedict E-mail has been sent from my proton mail account
Have you ever had any encounter with the thought of Terence Mckenna?
Thanks for your older videos, about a month ago I made a decision and broke up with someone who was treating me like your ex. It was incredibly hard for me for seeing that person doing this same method: blaming everything on me, on my mental health for his bad decisions. He was the one who felt the more hurt than me.
I was able to see the technique through your story, and realized he's turning me grey slowly, but more subtle ways, like not saying having tattoos are bad or my piercing is ugly, just throwing that he would be sad for those on me. He knew my history of domestic abuse, and made it very uncomfortable for me having a nose piercing. Or mentioning nose rings are not pretty, not feminine enough. Even though I gave him the benefit of the doubt for not knowing that much social norms and empathy we was still manipulating me.
Just to know that my story has a kinda happy ending:
Last week I bought myself a nose ring. And never felt so empowered within a year. I hope Angela's video help others too 🖤🖤
Also, I'm glad for mentioning that Munro uses the gothbranding for himself to make money, and tended to hide very well his abusive and creepy behvaiour toward fans and others int he community.
By letting anyone use goths to playout social norms and dodge any type of controversy or consequences just ending up all horrible stereotypes about us. And those who suffer from those sellout abusers are turning that person to a "missing stair"- a problem that goes ignored, because no one wants to face the issue that would confirm bad stereotypes.
Good morning💗 Angela💗💞
Good morning!
Music based, less problematic. I do the Midwest goth style. We're as NYC influenced as Southern Goth (not to be confused with Southern Gothic literature, much of which is racist).
What video games/online games do you like to play?
The narcissists abuse is a bitch . I have come to realize I have always attracted narcissists my mom my close friend my husband and my 2 girls who look like there dad and act like him too. I can't wrap my head around why. Thank you so much for sharing you experiences.
I might be guilty of some of those things in terms of getting genres Mixed up in my younger years ha-ha. but I always have been drawn to Alternative Subculture's I enjoy Death Rock Ethereal Wave & Post punk over all While enjoying other kinds of Music. you are the best Commentator on the Goth Subculture by far on this Site. you always have good Story's to Share good video as always Angela. thing about Music Subcultures to me they are a Living Art not just Aesthetic Fades that come & go. Worlds / Dreams are built into the Psyche these things are part of us 😎 it's always good to be passionate about something. my take on gate keeping there should be Standards as opposed to None but not to many.
You should work on your spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Goths tend to be well read and educated.
Wow, all the run-on sentences. That's sad.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz ok English Professor Educate me on the Aesthetics of Goth. most people hear are not Obnoxiously picky on people's comments. if you mean Well fine If you're Just Trolling then Piss off.
@@james1014328If you're going to produce horrid sentence structure to the point where people can't decipher what you're trying to convey, expect to be called out. Educate yourself, or stop complaining.
@@thiscorrosion3843 as long as People can Read, they know what I'm saying. Stop Complaining no hard feelings. I Rush my sentences but not Often Sorry if it bother's some of Yall out there oh well. I type However but thanks for the Input.
Hello! 🖤
Hello!
I hatdly ever see any goths anymore. Where is everyone??? When I was in midle school in the late 2010s I use to see alot more goth pepple...
So happy with this. Felt like I battled with listening to goth music but not dressing “goth” and feeling like I could claim to be goth. Meanwhile you have people who dressing in “style of goth “ and not even listening to the music.
I like normie fashion, but not goth fashion.
Hi, Angela
Simply put, to be Gothic or 'Goth' one need only have a natural, not forced, affinity for and attraction to the morose, morbid, melancholy and macabre facets of life, expressed primarily through music, fashion, art and literature, in addition but not limited to, cosmetology, architecture, film/cinema, poetry, dance and other forms of expression.
If the 'Goth' subculture is solely about the style or genre of music, why the specific aesthetic and accoutrements, why all the black, bats, skulls, spiders and coffins. "There's a difference between Gothic and Goth!", they cry! Gothic music, just like Gothic Fashion, existed long before the 1980's and can be heard throughout the classical music genre, via composers like Wagner, Beethoven, Mozart, Debussy and many others.
Even though I like this stuff too that isn't necessarily related and isn't a requirement for being goth. so I would say that this is false information
Goth music is Dark Wave, Ethereal, Synth, Cold Wave, and Death Rock. Beethoven, ect have nothing to do with it.
online gaming ?? world of warcraft by any chance?? 😸😸
No, I tried it but it's not for me. I really wanted to like it!
@@angelabenedict 😿 now im sad
@@paws-h8p Aw, no - I'm sorry!!
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