If air pressure in empty tank is 2psi higher than cut in, your pump will never kick on. If your pump still kick on, that means your bladder is Over inflated to outlet creating extra minus 2 psi within it in order to let tank pressure reach 40. So 38psi or lower for 40-60 switch
Tank should be replaced. The first clue is the mist laden air when checking pressure. The air in the bladder should be dry. Once the bladder leaks things go downhill from there. That's a 40/60 switch so pressure should be 38 with tank empty. You also never want too much pressure in the dry section (bladder) as well. Say you have 42 psi in the bladder instead of 38. Before pressure reaches cut in (40) the diaphragm will begin to cover the outlet and reduce the flow greatly. Then when this happens the pressure drops enough to engage the pressure switch at 40. This symptom can be observed by noticing your pressure momentarily drops when the pump kicks on. Think of it as using a garden hose to water flowers and someone picks up the hose, kinks it very briefly and releases it. If this happens, there is a good chance your bladder is overinflated. Tanks do work with less air but the lower you are the less drawdown capacity you have. Which means less water volume available between pump cut off to to cut in. When the entire tank has no air/space you have a serious condition since water is essentially non compressible. The pump will cut in and the pressure will shoot to cut out in 1 or 2 seconds. The water will surge like crazy at spigots. The pump won't last long when this happens. The pressure switch contacts will also experience increased wear and tear and the worst thing that can happen is they weld closed! Then pray your relief valve works because your system will experience pressures in excess of design potentially. Even though the pressure relief valve prevents possible rupture or pump burn out the vast majority are fitted open discharge to the floor (no escape plumbing to sump pit, for example) so if this happens when you are not home you come home to a very wet basement! In a nutshell you want to keep this system well maintained, that is money well spent as the consequences are far more costly. :-)
THANK YOU! He IS totally wrong on tank pressure should be above cut in pressure! And then he ADDED more air to the tank!?? I kept waiting for it to boom in his face, this guy is playing with fire!
broski he set the pre charge pressure to match the switch. the switch was set to 45 psi so 42 that he precharged with is perfect! didn't you see him measure the switch as he drained the tank? you can't go by the cover numbers you go by the click of the switch.
I had a little dog like that and thankfully I was on a rural road driving very slowly when like a flea he sprang out of the window. He landed in the grass and was fine, but a dog will without any warning signs spring out of a window or back of a pickup truck. If you're on the highway, it's goodbye dog. So, it's better to be safe than sorry and not let the little bugger hang near the window. Save yourself heartache and keep him restrained.
I just went through this myself a few weeks ago in the middle of 100+ weather. I added a temporary tank for now through the faucet in the well house. When it cools off in a few weeks I will change the bad tank out.
Matt Schiller it will, because all the water comes out, the pressure nose dives, then the pump kicks in...takes it a moment to get up the well and the house pressure comes back up.
agree with the comments... fill bladder to 2 psi below cut-in. the schrader valves do leak; as long as there's no water coming out, just check the air pressure every year and refill to proper level. my tank had a slow leak like this, and had to add 5-10 lbs ever year. no need to change tank for that, but yes, every think has a time to be changed.
At first I thought he misspoke regarding wanting pressure in tank 2 lbs over kick in setting. But he not only said it several times, but he also set pressure at 2 lbs over. He said and did same in another video. All other experts I have listened to have been very clear on setting tank pressure at 2 lbs less than kick in pressure setting.
Hey Steve , i thought you had to put 2lbs lower than the cut in pressure , that's what i was told , but you being a plumber for as long as you are i am confused now because you said 2lbs over cut in pressure ? please help confushess!!
I thought the pressure on the tank supposed to be 2 psi lower than the lower pressure...so if it's 40/60, then the pressure on the tank should be 38psi
Might be overdrawing his well while filling his pool mama. Had my next door neighbors do the same thing when they decided to leave their lawn sprinkler on for 2 days strait during dry season. Ended up staining their new white plastic fence, and siding on their house brown with rust from the well casing.
Whenever pool guys used to stick the hose into my pool, i would come home to no water, empty tank and overheated on overload well pump. I would have to reset it . Now i do my own pool.....
@@anthonygonzalez7488 not so much its just that some towns around here have municipal water, and some don't. We have a well down 700' so gotta be careful or its a 4k mistake (mostly labor to get to the pump)
I was surprised the pump came on when the breaker was turned on. Mine have always had a safety cutoff at 20 psi. I had to pull the lever up to turn it on until the pressure was above 20 psi and then it would run by itself. I understand the safety cutoff is in case a line breaks with a major leak. That switch would run pump forever even on a dry well until the pump burned up. My tanks have always had bad bladders. I think they last until the warranty is out. I just put more air in it when the pumps starts short cycling. Usually twice a year. I am told that old, old tanks did not have any bladder, just add air when needed since it will mix with the water.
Interesting, I have always been told to have the tanks air pressure 2 psi less that the turn on pressure of the switch i.e. 38 psi for a 40-60 switch setting but you made it 2 psi higher as in 42 psi on the 40-60 switch. Why is that?
Steve, you should take a bit of spit and put it on the schraeder to make sure it's not going to blow a buble... Schrader valves leak all the time and they are like 5 cents to replace
Hey Steve really enjoy your videos. Educational and entertaining. Would like to see something on recommended yearly maintenance for gas fired steam boilers.
My pump won't shut off. It runs until I cut the power to it. Thinking it was a bad pressure switch I replaced it and the pump is still not shutting off. Im stuck on what it could be
If its a 30/50 the low in cut on should be 2 lbs less set at 28. plus should have checked for leaks in system, The air tank should be ok if no water came out of aur valve, the bladder inside was"nt bursted.
My last tank only lasted 8.5 years. Fiberglass tanks are $$$$. Will see how long this one lasts. Original tank lasted about 13 years. High iron water supply.
Love your videos. Watch them every time they come out. One question though -- manufacturer's manual for these tanks says to inflate to 2 PSI *below* the low cut off, not 2 above. Any reason you're going above the spec? Thanks!
Question I am unable to run two showers at the same time or flush the toilet while shower is running, outside Spicket barely has pressure. I have a 40-60 gauge pressure is within range guy at the store said I need a new y. Gate????
Yeah I just put in a new motor tank and hard pipe and when the motor cuts off it just sits there and jumps the pressure switch is all over the place I can unplug the motor and it still jumping any guesses
Video Suggestion Steve: Disassemble the "tankless" part of a boiler and show us how to clean the coil and "tank" . I have two boilers that can't put out enuf hot water for a shower. Something going on inside there....
@@throttlebottle5906 Hey, thanks. Will rethink this cleaning of the coil and perhaps just plumb off the new electric water heater in the adjacent apartment. The bolts to the cover are buried in little piles of rust anyway.
Tank pressure should be at least 2 pounds less than the cut in pressure. 30 pound cut in tank pressure 28 pound. 40 pounds cut in 38 pounds tank pressure.
Lol my cat heard the Pug and went bonkers, looking around, then went to windowsill to see if it was coming from outside. Btw I've heard 2 lbs under for cut on? And you're saying 2 lbs over the pressure should be set. ???
Thanks for the informative video, I needed a refresher. One question.....You seem like a nice man, why do you keep such vicious animals! I see you keep one vicious dog in your truck, I assume to keep thieves from stealing your stuff.
Help me understand why a low pressure in the tank would cause low water pressure. I can understand it would cause frequent pump cycling but it seems the pump still is not going to shut off until it gets to the high pressure cutoff.
Means you can't sue him personally for anything work related, only can sue him as a business if something would to ever happen. It protects him and his personal things.
The pressure is good in my pump, but when the pump stops the water returns to the well, reach the low pressure and the pump starts again. How can I fix it? Or what part needs to be replaced? Thank you
You sound like a coyote i. Heat. Wells in my area don't have expansion tanks are all wells suppose to have one? They just have a pump. Thank you for the video it was important to me. HVAC ON AMERICA!!!
I keep having my well stop with no water coming in at all then it starts back, but I have been dealing with this problem for 16 years since we had the well drilled for our new home and the company has replaced our bladder tank and points and pressure switch but I paid them over 800 dollars for what they did, but I still have the same issue with my well stop and starts all the time and they don't even care to fix things that they did from day one. Can anyone help me with the problem.
Pressure, since you don't have city water pressure to maintain flow you have to create it via the tank. When the well kicks on it fills the tank with water which compresses the bladder inside the tank, when the tank is slowly drained down via water usage in the house the bladder expands back downward to create pressure so the well isn't running all the time, once the pressure drops below the limit the well kicks back on and fills the tank, compressing the bladder and the cycle repeats.
Rentals of equipment, hydro vacuum cleaner, rodents practice on filling hole's with sand ,under street,plans available.. street valves treatment..call before you dig..
On a 40/60 switch shouldn’t the tank pressure be 2 psi below cut in pressure.
If air pressure in empty tank is 2psi higher than cut in, your pump will never kick on. If your pump still kick on, that means your bladder is Over inflated to outlet creating extra minus 2 psi within it in order to let tank pressure reach 40. So 38psi or lower for 40-60 switch
Tank should be replaced.
The first clue is the mist laden air when checking pressure. The air in the bladder should be dry. Once the bladder leaks things go downhill from there.
That's a 40/60 switch so pressure should be 38 with tank empty.
You also never want too much pressure in the dry section (bladder) as well. Say you have 42 psi in the bladder instead of 38. Before pressure reaches cut in (40) the diaphragm will begin to cover the outlet and reduce the flow greatly. Then when this happens the pressure drops enough to engage the pressure switch at 40. This symptom can be observed by noticing your pressure momentarily drops when the pump kicks on. Think of it as using a garden hose to water flowers and someone picks up the hose, kinks it very briefly and releases it. If this happens, there is a good chance your bladder is overinflated.
Tanks do work with less air but the lower you are the less drawdown capacity you have. Which means less water volume available between pump cut off to to cut in. When the entire tank has no air/space you have a serious condition since water is essentially non compressible. The pump will cut in and the pressure will shoot to cut out in 1 or 2 seconds. The water will surge like crazy at spigots. The pump won't last long when this happens. The pressure switch contacts will also experience increased wear and tear and the worst thing that can happen is they weld closed! Then pray your relief valve works because your system will experience pressures in excess of design potentially. Even though the pressure relief valve prevents possible rupture or pump burn out the vast majority are fitted open discharge to the floor (no escape plumbing to sump pit, for example) so if this happens when you are not home you come home to a very wet basement!
In a nutshell you want to keep this system well maintained, that is money well spent as the consequences are far more costly. :-)
THANK YOU!
He IS totally wrong on tank pressure should be above cut in pressure! And then he ADDED more air to the tank!?? I kept waiting for it to boom in his face, this guy is playing with fire!
broski he set the pre charge pressure to match the switch. the switch was set to 45 psi so 42 that he precharged with is perfect! didn't you see him measure the switch as he drained the tank? you can't go by the cover numbers you go by the click of the switch.
@@AngelofOntario What r you talking about?? The pressure was manually adjusted for different range.
I had a little dog like that and thankfully I was on a rural road driving very slowly when like a flea he sprang out of the window. He landed in the grass and was fine, but a dog will without any warning signs spring out of a window or back of a pickup truck. If you're on the highway, it's goodbye dog. So, it's better to be safe than sorry and not let the little bugger hang near the window. Save yourself heartache and keep him restrained.
I just went through this myself a few weeks ago in the middle of 100+ weather. I added a temporary tank for now through the faucet in the well house. When it cools off in a few weeks I will change the bad tank out.
Steve in scotland we set our pump
sets just below our cut in pressure about ,0.2 bar below cut in
2 pounds below cut in! No check valve they rely on the one at the pump, no go in our state.
If you have the tank pressure above the cut in pressure of the pressure switch, the pump will never start up, correct?
Matt Schiller it will, because all the water comes out, the pressure nose dives, then the pump kicks in...takes it a moment to get up the well and the house pressure comes back up.
Very informative thanks for taking us on the job and explaining everything properly big thanks 🤙🏽
She's gonna blow Captain, that guage been there since Moby was minnow
Just adjusted mine, 50-80 psi. My psi control has a manual restart if the well goes dry. Just subscribed, thanks. Dogs are the best!
agree with the comments... fill bladder to 2 psi below cut-in. the schrader valves do leak; as long as there's no water coming out, just check the air pressure every year and refill to proper level. my tank had a slow leak like this, and had to add 5-10 lbs ever year. no need to change tank for that, but yes, every think has a time to be changed.
Love watching your vids Steve but 38psi for a 40-60 and 28 for a 30-50. Keep up the good work.
At first I thought he misspoke regarding wanting pressure in tank 2 lbs over kick in setting. But he not only said it several times, but he also set pressure at 2 lbs over. He said and did same in another video. All other experts I have listened to have been very clear on setting tank pressure at 2 lbs less than kick in pressure setting.
Good troubleshooting that always follows a logical steps. Nice.😀
Steve what you did over there was good enough for that neighborhood. Peace brother and Molly
Makita man my fave quote of his
You should shut off the ball valve next to it so you don't drain the whole house down
It is suppose kick in 2 pounds below the kick in pressure. Not 2 pounds above the kick in pressure. 40 / 60 switch should have 38 pounds of pressure.
I am in for sure Steve! I love the yellow jacket torque wrench.
Valuetesters yellow jacket torque wrench!
Hey Steve , i thought you had to put 2lbs lower than the cut in pressure , that's what i was told , but you being a plumber for as long as you are i am confused now because you said 2lbs over cut in pressure ? please help confushess!!
I thought the pressure on the tank supposed to be 2 psi lower than the lower pressure...so if it's 40/60, then the pressure on the tank should be 38psi
Might be overdrawing his well while filling his pool mama.
Had my next door neighbors do the same thing when they decided to leave their lawn sprinkler on for 2 days strait during dry season. Ended up staining their new white plastic fence, and siding on their house brown with rust from the well casing.
Whenever pool guys used to stick the hose into my pool, i would come home to no water, empty tank and overheated on overload well pump.
I would have to reset it .
Now i do my own pool.....
@@anthonygonzalez7488 not so much its just that some towns around here have municipal water, and some don't. We have a well down 700' so gotta be careful or its a 4k mistake (mostly labor to get to the pump)
Tank bladder should be 2 lbs less than cut on pressure. Bladder pressure = 38lbs.
I was surprised the pump came on when the breaker was turned on. Mine have always had a safety cutoff at 20 psi. I had to pull the lever up to turn it on until the pressure was above 20 psi and then it would run by itself. I understand the safety cutoff is in case a line breaks with a major leak. That switch would run pump forever even on a dry well until the pump burned up.
My tanks have always had bad bladders. I think they last until the warranty is out. I just put more air in it when the pumps starts short cycling. Usually twice a year. I am told that old, old tanks did not have any bladder, just add air when needed since it will mix with the water.
When the kick in pressure is 40, the pressure in the tank should be 2 psi less than 40 not 2 psi over.
Interesting, I have always been told to have the tanks air pressure 2 psi less that the turn on pressure of the switch i.e. 38 psi for a 40-60 switch setting but you made it 2 psi higher as in 42 psi on the 40-60 switch. Why is that?
Me too.
Steve, you should take a bit of spit and put it on the schraeder to make sure it's not going to blow a buble... Schrader valves leak all the time and they are like 5 cents to replace
Hey Steve really enjoy your videos. Educational and entertaining. Would like to see something on recommended yearly maintenance for gas fired steam boilers.
I call it a 20 lb differential. I never heard of “20 lb glide” 😁
Yeah . I never heard glide for pressure differential either,
but it's good to know people use different terms in different areas of the country.
@@dolfan13jmb
In the real world it’s differential pressure/temperature…or delta P or delta T…
My pump won't shut off. It runs until I cut the power to it. Thinking it was a bad pressure switch I replaced it and the pump is still not shutting off. Im stuck on what it could be
The man does good work
If its a 30/50 the low in cut on should be 2 lbs less set at 28. plus should have checked for leaks in system, The air tank should be ok if no water came out of aur valve, the bladder inside was"nt bursted.
Nice troubleshooting on the well system Steve!
Little something different today, Thanks Steven!
SUCH A CUTE PUG
Ol Steve is working again momma
Can someone answer a question for me
thank you helped fix my issue.
Nice job again
So is increasing a 30-50 switch to a 40-60 OK? Or is that switch rated only to be a 30-50 ?
I want to know the answer to this question myself. Water pressure in my house sucks
My last tank only lasted 8.5 years. Fiberglass tanks are $$$$. Will see how long this one lasts. Original tank lasted about 13 years. High iron water supply.
Life with a well, ain't supposed to be easy.
Great information thanks 🇨🇦👍
Love your videos. Watch them every time they come out. One question though -- manufacturer's manual for these tanks says to inflate to 2 PSI *below* the low cut off, not 2 above. Any reason you're going above the spec? Thanks!
It cut in about 45 lbs so the 42 lbs in the tank should work.
Question I am unable to run two showers at the same time or flush the toilet while shower is running, outside Spicket barely has pressure. I have a 40-60 gauge pressure is within range guy at the store said I need a new y. Gate????
I'm on well water, interesting. That pug was howling at the Moon, only it is daytime. I don't think the Pug likes being made sport of.
Yeah I just put in a new motor tank and hard pipe and when the motor cuts off it just sits there and jumps the pressure switch is all over the place I can unplug the motor and it still jumping any guesses
Video Suggestion Steve: Disassemble the "tankless" part of a boiler and show us how to clean the coil and "tank" . I have two boilers that can't put out enuf hot water for a shower. Something going on inside there....
@@throttlebottle5906 Hey, thanks. Will rethink this cleaning of the coil and perhaps just plumb off the new electric water heater in the adjacent apartment. The bolts to the cover are buried in little piles of rust anyway.
Guy does good work
Tank pressure should be at least 2 pounds less than the cut in pressure. 30 pound cut in tank pressure 28 pound. 40 pounds cut in 38 pounds tank pressure.
Above or below the marked pressure on the switch?!?
That dungeon was a real shit show
Lol my cat heard the Pug and went bonkers, looking around, then went to windowsill to see if it was coming from outside. Btw I've heard 2 lbs under for cut on? And you're saying 2 lbs over the pressure should be set. ???
Thanks for the informative video, I needed a refresher. One question.....You seem like a nice man, why do you keep such vicious animals! I see you keep one vicious dog in your truck, I assume to keep thieves from stealing your stuff.
Yep 👍 that’s right on that well info.! Cool 😎 Peace ✌️
At least no cave crickets in the dark basement
Good video thank u
Hmmmm my tank is 35 years old, have had 3 pumps in that time wonder if I need to mess with it?
You made a awesome video
Help me understand why a low pressure in the tank would cause low water pressure. I can understand it would cause frequent pump cycling but it seems the pump still is not going to shut off until it gets to the high pressure cutoff.
Steve, enjoy your videos. Could you elaborate on the Limited Liability Company (LLC)? I noticed you are using it.
Means you can't sue him personally for anything work related, only can sue him as a business if something would to ever happen. It protects him and his personal things.
My only first thanks for the videos!
Damn Steve is good
a "pro" that has the difference between cut in and tank air pressure reversed
2 psi BELOW CUT IN... if it's a 30-50 then you want the tank at 28 psi
The pressure is good in my pump, but when the pump stops the water returns to the well, reach the low pressure and the pump starts again. How can I fix it? Or what part needs to be replaced?
Thank you
needs check valve
After 20 years, I replaced my sensor switch and my gauge and now the pump shut off so fast never seen it that fast 4060
What do I do when water pressure switch -points or arcing
what do you do about this .how do I fix this problem
Please let me know A.S.A.P
Is that the bladder we had to replace ours as well
I need help with my water
should invest in a Milwaukee air compressor way smaller way lighter way more quite nova Scotia service plumber
ohhhhh How Ya Doin' Mama!!!! HaHa LoL
I have a Question for the pro's do the Schrader vales ever leak on these tanks?
Not really. The diaohragms rupture though, if you get water out of it then the diaphragm is ruptured
The psi should be 2 or 3 psi below cut in of pressure switch rating amigo.
You sound like a coyote i. Heat. Wells in my area don't have expansion tanks are all wells suppose to have one? They just have a pump. Thank you for the video it was important to me. HVAC ON AMERICA!!!
it is odd you are ee kick on press.
the ONLY tech that says tank press should be a couple pounds above kick on press.
What ever happened to the ice cream truck bell ??
Or the check valve on the pump?....ice cream bells
Too noisy for me
Needs a complete rebuild as well
What does?
Gauge, pressure switch & relief valve, with that much corrosion the gauge will not be accurate so the pressure tank will not be correct
howya doin mama.
2lbs under the low setting not above
I keep having my well stop with no water coming in at all then it starts back, but I have been dealing with this problem for 16 years since we had the well drilled for our new home and the company has replaced our bladder tank and points and pressure switch but I paid them over 800 dollars for what they did, but I still have the same issue with my well stop and starts all the time and they don't even care to fix things that they did from day one. Can anyone help me with the problem.
Bad foot valve/check valve or your well isn’t deep enough. Not running water would allow the water to build back up until you drained it off again.
@@AngelofOntario my well is 428 feet deep.
Did you ever figure out what it was, or are you still having issues; since this was 2 years ago?
@AngelofOntario still same problem and they want to frank my well for 5 thousand and I said noway.
@@AngelofOntario fracture
+1 nice
Can someone explain the dynamics of adding air to
The expansion bladder in that tank
Pressure, since you don't have city water pressure to maintain flow you have to create it via the tank. When the well kicks on it fills the tank with water which compresses the bladder inside the tank, when the tank is slowly drained down via water usage in the house the bladder expands back downward to create pressure so the well isn't running all the time, once the pressure drops below the limit the well kicks back on and fills the tank, compressing the bladder and the cycle repeats.
@@anthonygonzalez7488 Correct
And storage or water capacity. You don’t want the pump running every time you get a glass of water.
Rentals of equipment, hydro vacuum cleaner, rodents practice on filling hole's with sand ,under street,plans available.. street valves treatment..call before you dig..
If need any helped let me know?
Should be 38
should be 2 lbs lower than the cut in psi!!!
Reckless advice. Read all the comments.
I've used a customer's bike pump to recharge a tank before lol
in the end, all ways are the same.
1st.
Jeffneal 1518 you got it right
Shouldn't the pressure in the tank be a few pounds less than the cut on not higher