@princeofdarkness6921 Bill. Bill Russell. He never even played to his fullest potential. He always served the role that the team needed most, regardless if it suited his skill set. And he still dominated.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Hakeem only had Drexler for the 2nd title. In 1994 he won with Otis Thorpe as the 2nd best player. This is the only real modern case of a star winning a title without a 2nd star as Dirk had a few old stars and Tyson Chandler.
@@TheLouHam Nope, 12x5 = 60 is a lot of fouls to give. And then you can still give up to seven more before ejecting your starters. With Shaq's percentages they'd only be giving up about 60 points. 😂
Hakeem completely slept-on because of Jordan's hype shadow while he was playing. He was so good that other legendary players would hire him to train them.
@@YeezyYeFan no, he wasn't. He could score more, but he wasn't as skilled on either end. He wasn't a better defender, rebounder or shooter. His post game on either end was never better.
If Shaq and wilt traded timelines. There would never be any question to who the GOAT is. Shaq would have won a ring every single year he played. Probably averaging 50 and 30
@@CarlosMorales-eo6ts He was far more skilled and a better all around player than Shaq, and he owned Shaq, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing, all HoF centers during their era. Hakeem The Dream was the best center of all time aside from Kareem, but you could argue Hakeem was the GOAT if considering that he could dominate in any era with his style of play. None of the other great centers would do as well in the modern game. I don't remember any other players getting quintuple doubles either.
Womp womp, bill is a mediocre player on an amazing team. You could swap him for Brian Scalabrine and that team is still winning. In fact i have Anthony Bennett over bill. Wilt was just miles better.
@J0k3rz facts lmao bro is so hyped up and glazed on but bro was on a hella stacked team, he didn't change the game the same way wilt or the other centers that were named.
Kareem, Hakeem, Moses Malone, prime Yao, Wilt, Bill Russel... Also Tim Duncan for sure was better than Shaq. He's not a power forward. He was a center that played at a PF position until Robinson retired. As a center Shaq got nothing on him. Also, if Jokić wins another ring I'm putting him ahead of Shaq easily. The knowledge that Jokić has in his pinkie, Shaq doesn't have in his whole basketball being. All his need is at least another chip. Shaq was more physically imposing and dominant than all those guys, but not a better player.
be real, wilt is downplayed because all in all there's two quarters of in game footage of him, half ot it on par with quality shots of nessie and bigfoot. personally i always have wilt as the number 0 on my GOAT list, but nobody can say for sure anymore, and excluding wilt is fair. same btw for bill russel, who won more during that era, but basically we also know fuck all about how good or bad he really played.
@leonhardable Wilt also played with dudes who were plumbers off the court. If that's not a good excuse, let me put that into perspective. Imagine a dude who works a regular 9-5 but is also incredibly physically fit. Now Imagine someone who's incredibly physically fit, but he's a professional basketball player and practices everyday. Now put them on the court. Excluding natural talent and luck, who do you think is going to win?
@@sneekibreeki8162that’s simply false. Average nba player was 6’6 and didn’t have a second job. Especially not the centers who were 6’10.5 taller than today. Wilt played more HOF centers than anyone in NBA history, go do some research, a LOT of GREAT centers played in that era
Honestly I downplay Wilt for his lack of competition. I just feel like he should’ve won more than two if he was such a physical freak compared to his peers
@@marinasands4319 wilt never even led a championship team in scoring 🤣🤣 only the best player on 1 lousy championship team and he didn’t even lead in scoring. Wilt has the biggest ppg avg drop off from regular season to playoffs of all time 🤣 bum stuff
@@marinasands4319 well you are talking about a lower level player who dropped off big in the playoffs I don’t want that crap on my team. If you aren’t about winning rings you don’t belong in anybody’s top 10. 1960s we’re absolutely trash and Wilt had 7 hofamers in his first 6 years.
@@puleiaotaileifigaleai8338you’re right but don’t forget Shaq would also beat him when he came to the lakers, he had a 4 year run when he was the most dominant player in the NBA!! Nd none of those guy would be able to guard Shaq!!!
They are the four I listed right off top. Hell Hakeem went directly head-to-head with Shaq in the finals and ate that man up. Those four are unquestionably better than Shaq.
@@omarhasan03Shaq was only 22 and he averaged 28/12/6… “ate him up” my ass. Hakeem was at his peak and couldn’t stop baby Shaq lol hakeem just had a better team which is why it was a sweep. Lakers Shaq wins that matchup 10/10 times
99% of NBA fans are wondering why stephen a is allowed to talk at all, especially basketball. This post season he got every single prediction wrong. Random prediction generator would have it better.
that actually made it easier for him its one of the common misconceptions of the whole thing. he could simply camp down there under the basket and it was just a matter of getting the ball to him and the reason he scored 50 a game was because the pace was so fast because thats what they did was just get under the basket and pass to him instantly thats what almost all teams did they had more possessions@@Z.Fracas
you know just because people love hakeem and shaq lost, people forget shaq went absolutely bonkers that series and averaged 28 12.5 and 6 assists on like 60% shooting the rockets didnt beat the magic because hakeem destroyed shaq thats not the case, the rockets role players simply stepped up more
Hakeems offense is so iconic his defense has become underrated. All time block leader who also put up steals at a rate higher than basically every other elite nba center. He's the all-time stock leader by 1600 points! 1.7 steals a game as a center.
wilt has nothing for shaq... bill russell has nothing for shaq... dream is the only one you can make an argument for... and dream played against orlando shaq... truth is nobody is stopping laker shaq
@@teddyrobo1But the average NBA height was 3 inches shorter and 30lbs less than it was in Shaqs time. That makes a huge difference. Although I have seen old footage of Wilt and he moves very athletic in comparison to the others. He was just ahead of his time. It's a close call but I think prime Shaq is better.
@@NotJaredGoff Actually, at least according to the graph on Hoops Geek, players(and Centers) in the late 90s and 2000s were on average at most an inch taller and 10-20 pounds heavier than the players of Wilt's generation. So still a difference but not nearly as big.
Can’t be mad at tht but he was tweakin after tht like fr I’ll even say Hakeem cause Shaq said he gave him problems but shit Shaq still had a better tho Hakeem had better fundamentals
@@kboogie4235Hakeem is the greatest center of all time, don’t look up his highlights, look up his stats, dude was a beast, he was top 5 in EVERYTHING at one point in his career, he didn’t lack anything in his game
It's because even if you think Shaq is better, it's close enough that no one should have an issue with someone thinking one is better than the other. It's more about personal preference at that point. Hakeem was more well rounded, but Shaq to me was so much better offensively (I don't care about bag, I care about efficiency, which Shaq kills Hakeem there) that it outweighs the other areas Hakeem was better in. Wilt I can even give a pass because of the gawdy numbers (I have Shaq higher, but I can at least understand why people have Wilt higher). Duncan is definitely more a power forward than a center. It's like calling AD a center lol. They're power forwards that play the 5 due to matchups. You ain't moving Kareem or Shaq to the 4 no matter who is alongside them. Then the Moses take was absurd. Great player, but c'mon. He was basically a smaller and less athletic Shaq. Shit, Shaq's bag was even deeper than Moses. And I say this as someone who thinks Moses gets slept on too much.
In the interview long time ago shaq admits that he couldn't break or intimidate hakeem. The skills , abilities basketball iq and mentallity of the dream in his era is unbreakable and unstoppable.
Agreed, Hakeem has a wider range when coming to over skill set, but that man Shaq is easily the most physically dominant “player” to ever touch the court. Easily top 3 centers of all time, soulfully off the fact of his court presence offensively and defensively
@@Loski_YNWAJokic is better at Passing and shooting 3s. But everything else goes to Hakeem. As In defense, post spin moves, midrange and even 0-3 ft, he’s more athletic. Rebounding is actually pretty close but Hakeem still has an edge over in TRB. But the dream is hands down the most skilled center still. And he still leads in BLKs and STLs compared to all centers. And if he was actually as big or just as strong as Shaq, he’d probably be actually the greatest center of all time and possibly would’ve won more chips tbh. Hakeem was better than Orlando Shaq but Lakers Shaq was probably a little better than Hakeem. The only goat Centers that’s usually mentioned the most is either Shaq or Kareem, sometimes Wilt too. I think at the end of Jokic career, he’d probably be in the goat centers convo too.
@tboned70 Wilt is not considered the greatest by about 99% of basketball fans. Mostly due to the lack of footage but also the many changes in the game since Wilt's era. Since MJ, however, there hasn't been a player close to being considered as good or even better than MJ. There's been a lot of talented players with great potential, but none that were in the same realm as MJ.
@@shrillexx4119what are you talking about? You do know the NBA is more than just the playoffs right? Every team goes against each other in the regular season
I think he was talking about who's better than shaq skill wise, but shaq was so dominant and powerful that he did not need to know how to shoot, dribble, or even have post up moves. He literally could have backed down anyone and just throw it down
I think he’s right about Hakeem though, Shaq did lose 4 straight to him. It was pure domination from The Dream. Russo has something on Stephen A. Smith.
Nah, if you look at the numbers Shaq actually outplayed Hakeem that series...more rebounds, assist, blocks, and even scored better shooting 60%, Hakeem scored more because he took more shots but only shot 48%
@@chevu_2 Hakeem was better all around with his game but Shaq was more dominant down low and in general on offense, Shaq has more rings and has won more I don’t understand what you’re trying to get at with a puss ass comment, if you think Hakeem ranks higher all time that’s fine but no reason for that petty shit bro
@@uchgamerx I was born in 1980, out of Orlando, he was pure power. It's not a matter of if Shaq hasn't got skills, as time went on he based his game in pure power, and others based his game in skills.
Despite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol (mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977) C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons) C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons) C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons) C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons) C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons) C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons) C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season) C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons) (Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons) (Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons) (Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons) (please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9) SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…
and last at the free throw line. ...if he wasn't 7 feet 350lb w the ability to get position, he would be nothing.. ..no touch, no work ethic, and was perfectly content to rely solely on the inherent gifts that was given to him. lazy
@@TebowTebow-rz9ev He's a story of waisted potential ...and I didn't mispell that= he let his fork and laziness in the gym turn what could have been a Wilt Chamberlain type career into a Shaq type career.
Shaq is not the best. Most people simply do not understand how good Wilt was. Strength, power, athleticism were off the charts. Just go read some of things Wilt did outside basketball.
Nah. Hakeem has been overrated since he retired. Hakeem had a couple great playoff runs, but he wasn't universally feared for most of his career. In fact, at the time, people would have said Robinson and Ewing were just as good. And they were probably right. Hakeem way overrated in these convos.
Young Shaq. He still had Similac on his breath. And Shaq still balled out in that series. Dream edged him out by a little. Once Diesel went to L.A. it was a wrap.
Baby was a beast💪🏾. Hakeem was just better. Hakeem was a baby when he went to the finals. He never got swept like Shaq. Blame N Anderson next and stop calling Shaq a baby. He won Rookie of the year and never played in a rookie game. He went straight to the all-star game. Also Laker Shaq lost. It was Kobe n D Wade that made Shaq a winner
Shaq was the biggest brute to ever play basketball ever. The dude was just a big ass sack of meat that you couldn’t get past and who could bulldoze you whenever he felt like it. What are you even talking about?
Cause hid old man beat his ass when he tried to jumper. He was taught to take it to the basket and physically dominate so he did. He never had to do other. Go to the basket and thump it down on them every time.
@@bassoonman2000Hell nah bro I take Kareem all day. Especially in crunch time. Ever heard of the sky hook? I would certainly want an almost untouchable shot over a big power take it to the rim guy. All you gotta do is send him to the free throw line and Shaq is dead. Shaq is good, not that good.
@@ronaldomessi7055 if you make it to the finals then ya age cant be an excuse!! If you go to war ya enemy got the right to kill you whether you 18 or 38!! Ya enemy aint gonna say oh this soldier is only 19...let's spare his life!!
@@eastbee103that makes no sense what so ever It was a young shaq if they played prime shaq vs prime dream shaq winning if ur gonna talk out of your ass turn around so I can hear it
The guys he named was better if we talking about their all around game but Shaq was so strong it made up for the areas he lacked so much so that he got to be atleast top 3
Hakeem Olajuewon wasn't just a great center but he's the only center who can say he dominated his competition in the most dominant era for Big men 80"s/90's. Olajuwon went head to head and outclassed David Robinson and Dikembe in playoffs, he got the better of Ewing and Shaq in a finals, Hakeem was unstoppable in his prime I would've loved to see the Rockets of 94 and 95 season against the Jordan Bulls idk who would've won but that was going to be a 7 game series!!
The Wilt hate is insane. Wilt played against greats and was so dominant that they made rule changes to stop him. The man averaged 50 and didn’t even like to dunk he tried to do hooks and floaters and layups to make the basketball more challenging to him. When he retired he had the most points in nba history and he’s the only person who dropped 100 and the only person to average 50 and this is going against top tier talent at the center position. He was out of this world strong and he was just as fast as the pg and his career high in assist is 22 cuz he just felt like leading the league in assist per game
Wilt is the Greatest Hooper of ALL TIME! I don't listen to ignorant haters that go by what they hear. I do the research! Wilt was even giving a young Lew Alcindor the business before he injured his knee. Yet STILL led the league in rebounding at 18 a game in his last year.
Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Akeem. I do like the fact that he actually called Duncan a center cause he was. Also the average center in WIlt's time was 6'10.5" so he wasn't a fott taller than the whole league. The overall talent he played against was better because the amount of spots on the teams were less because there were less teams.
@@quitinfolkes4639 Nah, he was listed at center for 10 of his 19 seasons, which is more, and even in his seasons where he was a 'power forward' he still spent about 40% to half of his time on the floor at the 5. Once he turned 30 and Robinson had retired Duncan spent essentially all of his minutes at center.
@@sew90682 times in a row and swept Shaq in the process is really close Kareem has more fmvp overall doesn't he Bill Russell would say 10 fmvp in a row is cute Wilt is better than shaq in all athleticism aspects and probably shoots ft better and on top of that passes the ball better
He couldnt dribble or shoot and could barley pass how is he better than the centers that could do all that? Like Hakeem wilt and yes Duncan shaq bodied and bullied and got lucky to play with kobe and wade all other teams he slowed down and was a liability to dribble suck at passing and could not shoot
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“He’s not better than Moses Malone” got me 😂
😅😅😅
@@allballbabyhe Moses Malone is getting every offensive rebounds
Beast mode
Shaq isn’t gonna out work Moses
Obviously Moses was a beast 100%
he really said why are u allowed to talk basketball 😂😂😂
Those who live in glass houses
@@Rdude4444 should never throw stones
I agree with Steven A for a change
He did the same to Max😂😂😂
@@travelingtheworld8224and he's right! Broken clocks and all that.
Kareem, Wilt, Dream, Bill. But honestly, this is one of those sports arguments that could go on forever.
Bill??
@princeofdarkness6921 Bill. Bill Russell. He never even played to his fullest potential. He always served the role that the team needed most, regardless if it suited his skill set. And he still dominated.
@@4everinpanama if he never reach his potential how tf is he better than Shaq never average 20 points.
There's no argument. Shaq so limited. They not. Put anyone one of them in lA or Miami. Still getting a ring. Orlando too!
@@princeofdarkness6921better rebounder and defender. Chose not to be equal scoree
Glad he here reminding everyone of those players. These mfers disrespectful
Hakeem is one of the most skilled centers that played in the NBA. His post moves put everyone on skates.
Defense was crazy too
The Dr34m in his prime to me is the best center in history.
But no better than Shaq
@@serenitygranted9336 he is & has proved it head to head
Hakeem was great but Shaq was definitely better
Hakeem was so good that though Houston passed on Jordan to select him, no one has ever called that a mistake.
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To be fair Jordan with Clyde, otis, Horry etc would have won a few championships in Houston.
@@thecensoredmuscle563nah, clyde and mj has the same playstyle
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Hakeem only had Drexler for the 2nd title. In 1994 he won with Otis Thorpe as the 2nd best player. This is the only real modern case of a star winning a title without a 2nd star as Dirk had a few old stars and Tyson Chandler.
Kobe won back to back without another star@@commodorezero
The way he said “Beat him 4 straight games! “😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmaoooo😂😂😂😂
He sounded like Joe Pesci lol
Shaq raw strenght, Olajuwon technique and elegance
"Who was stopping Shaquille O'Neal in any era?"
Any team that could send him to the free throw line.
The entire team would foul out in the 1st quarter if fouling Shaq is the only way to stop him.
@@TheLouHam
Nope, 12x5 = 60 is a lot of fouls to give. And then you can still give up to seven more before ejecting your starters. With Shaq's percentages they'd only be giving up about 60 points. 😂
And that's not considering only fouling before the shot to reset the play.
@@eshnajizzlethen Kobe would be fouling people out driving to the basket, they wouldn't be able to guard him properly.
@@eshnajizzleyou give a dominant beast 60 free throws and he’s walking away with at least 40-45 FREE points. Are you insane?
Hakeem completely slept-on because of Jordan's hype shadow while he was playing. He was so good that other legendary players would hire him to train them.
He's the guy that Shaq has admitted was better than himself. And Jordan admitted would have been the biggest challenge
He gave Bruce Lee a run for his money, too.
@@KB-qk1icShaq on his prime
Is better then Hakeem in his prime
@@YeezyYeFan no, he wasn't. He could score more, but he wasn't as skilled on either end. He wasn't a better defender, rebounder or shooter. His post game on either end was never better.
Jordan hype? or is Hakeem overhyped? If he was so good why he never win a finals on mj watch?
He is actually right on some of that.
Wilt Chamberlain was unreal
Yeah everything he did is not real
It's fake like the moon landing
If Shaq and wilt traded timelines. There would never be any question to who the GOAT is. Shaq would have won a ring every single year he played. Probably averaging 50 and 30
@@2_NeNe_5false
@@2_NeNe_5 same if born went back
Bro sounded like he was bout to buss when talkin bout hakeem😂
LMAO!
Rightfully so 😂😂😂
Incase you forgot Hakeem was DREAM.
@@MrJMNK shaq was Hakeem’s nightmare💀
@@Pimplup1in the finals?
Hakeem was an absolute insane center.. dude could shoot like a guard, and still trains people .. dude was crazy good.
scam ppl according to gil
BUT HE WASN'T SHAQ
Olajuwon > Shaq....Sorry, but Shaq could be beaten by hack-a-Shaq.
@@CarlosMorales-eo6ts Your right. Hakeem could shoot.
@@CarlosMorales-eo6ts He was far more skilled and a better all around player than Shaq, and he owned Shaq, David Robinson, and Patrick Ewing, all HoF centers during their era. Hakeem The Dream was the best center of all time aside from Kareem, but you could argue Hakeem was the GOAT if considering that he could dominate in any era with his style of play. None of the other great centers would do as well in the modern game. I don't remember any other players getting quintuple doubles either.
The disrespect on Bill Russell in this conversation 😂
Bill Rusell Play in difrent time, decent center in our time will be the same monster like bill in his time.
I agree , the more I learn about Mr
Russell the higher my regard for his greatness . Greatest winner ever .
Womp womp, bill is a mediocre player on an amazing team. You could swap him for Brian Scalabrine and that team is still winning. In fact i have Anthony Bennett over bill. Wilt was just miles better.
@J0k3rz facts lmao bro is so hyped up and glazed on but bro was on a hella stacked team, he didn't change the game the same way wilt or the other centers that were named.
@@J0k3rz I doubt Brian Scalabrine could stop Wilt, like Russell did.
Shaq is Goated
Dream is actually a legit argument as even Shaq admitted it before...
Kareem, Hakeem, Moses Malone, prime Yao, Wilt, Bill Russel...
Also Tim Duncan for sure was better than Shaq. He's not a power forward. He was a center that played at a PF position until Robinson retired.
As a center Shaq got nothing on him.
Also, if Jokić wins another ring I'm putting him ahead of Shaq easily.
The knowledge that Jokić has in his pinkie, Shaq doesn't have in his whole basketball being.
All his need is at least another chip.
Shaq was more physically imposing and dominant than all those guys, but not a better player.
@@bmsuperstar1horrible opinion the fact that you put Yao over Shaq just shows your talking out of your ass
@@bmsuperstar1lmao
@@bmsuperstar1nobody from the modern era is anywhere near shaq theres nowhere near the physical presence
@@pinniethewooh6033 aye gang this nigga said prime Yao 😭
"I'm not giving it to Wilt!" Imagine downplaying an athlete because he was too physically dominant.
be real, wilt is downplayed because all in all there's two quarters of in game footage of him, half ot it on par with quality shots of nessie and bigfoot.
personally i always have wilt as the number 0 on my GOAT list, but nobody can say for sure anymore, and excluding wilt is fair. same btw for bill russel, who won more during that era, but basically we also know fuck all about how good or bad he really played.
@leonhardable Wilt also played with dudes who were plumbers off the court.
If that's not a good excuse, let me put that into perspective. Imagine a dude who works a regular 9-5 but is also incredibly physically fit. Now Imagine someone who's incredibly physically fit, but he's a professional basketball player and practices everyday.
Now put them on the court. Excluding natural talent and luck, who do you think is going to win?
@@sneekibreeki8162that’s simply false. Average nba player was 6’6 and didn’t have a second job. Especially not the centers who were 6’10.5 taller than today.
Wilt played more HOF centers than anyone in NBA history, go do some research, a LOT of GREAT centers played in that era
You know nothing about basketball back then.@@sneekibreeki8162
Honestly I downplay Wilt for his lack of competition. I just feel like he should’ve won more than two if he was such a physical freak compared to his peers
Mad dog woke up that day and chose violence😂
😂
Top 5 Centers. Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Bill. ALL CLOSE to each other
Hakeem was a bum got embarrassed by Moses as did bum Kareem. Moses > Hakeem & Kareem easy
Wilt was the greatest of all time
@@marinasands4319 wilt never even led a championship team in scoring 🤣🤣 only the best player on 1 lousy championship team and he didn’t even lead in scoring. Wilt has the biggest ppg avg drop off from regular season to playoffs of all time 🤣 bum stuff
@@ImUseless88 We are not talking team we are talking individual, and no one close to Wilt
@@marinasands4319 well you are talking about a lower level player who dropped off big in the playoffs I don’t want that crap on my team. If you aren’t about winning rings you don’t belong in anybody’s top 10. 1960s we’re absolutely trash and Wilt had 7 hofamers in his first 6 years.
Keem gave shaq the business his footwork and range was crazy
He’s so underrated. Always gets left out of these conversations. He’s top 10 all time
@@AD-ur1fkHe's not underrated
So dat series makes him better overall??? U drunk off bleach
Shaq is the most dominant big to ever play the game
@@puleiaotaileifigaleai8338you’re right but don’t forget Shaq would also beat him when he came to the lakers, he had a 4 year run when he was the most dominant player in the NBA!! Nd none of those guy would be able to guard Shaq!!!
Hakeem was so impressive, even when Michael Jordan was asked who his team of All Time best would be to win, he chose Olajuwon for Center.
Same 🙋🏻♂️ If im picking a 5 its the Dream.
Let's ask Goat James
@@the_lava_wielder6996LBJ will choose Bronny over Shaq and Hakeem for sure..
@@the_lava_wielder6996 You have a goat named James?
@@ActualRacerX The world does, and thus does I.
Argument for the ages 😂
Media is so disrespectful 😂
Kareem, Hakeem, Wilt, and Russell all have very legitimate cases for being ahead of Shaq in an all time debate
They are the four I listed right off top. Hell Hakeem went directly head-to-head with Shaq in the finals and ate that man up.
Those four are unquestionably better than Shaq.
@@omarhasan03Shaq was only 22 and he averaged 28/12/6… “ate him up” my ass. Hakeem was at his peak and couldn’t stop baby Shaq lol hakeem just had a better team which is why it was a sweep. Lakers Shaq wins that matchup 10/10 times
@@omarhasan03 yep. Hakeem ate that grass fed fool up
Same i named too
@omarhasan03 pause
"Oh my l Lord, why are you allowed to talk basketball" 🤣🤣💀
He be talking baseball all the time too 😅
That’s what our thoughts exactly when he talked mma
He talked ufc. Stephan A is the only person who can get away with insulting people like that
i really want to know what qualifies steven a crackhead to talk about **anything**?
he's an affirmative action hire
99% of NBA fans are wondering why stephen a is allowed to talk at all, especially basketball. This post season he got every single prediction wrong. Random prediction generator would have it better.
The man speaks the truth.
Prime shaq 97 to 2003 was insane
Yes, Wilt played against grown men at 16, could go coast to coast, could bench press 500lbs and was a sprinter and high jump champion.
Not to mention he averaged 50 in an era with no three-point line and no time limit on how long defenders could stay in the paint.
that actually made it easier for him its one of the common misconceptions of the whole thing. he could simply camp down there under the basket and it was just a matter of getting the ball to him and the reason he scored 50 a game was because the pace was so fast because thats what they did was just get under the basket and pass to him instantly thats what almost all teams did they had more possessions@@Z.Fracas
And beach volleyball champ
@@user-wg2km6pu3i Just so you know it was regular volleyball, not beach volleyball
He also used to walk 20 miles to the court barefoot and once stopped a bullet with his bare hands
Hakeem was literally "Shaqs Nightmare"
you know just because people love hakeem and shaq lost, people forget shaq went absolutely bonkers that series and averaged 28 12.5 and 6 assists on like 60% shooting the rockets didnt beat the magic because hakeem destroyed shaq thats not the case, the rockets role players simply stepped up more
He wasn’t shaqs dream he was the nightmare
Same with Dennis the menace
shaq played better than hakeem in all the games they faced off in
@@remade929 people think shaq got cooked because of narratives
Shaq was great and fun to watch, a really good man..
Shaq is the most dominate athlete of all time. He averaged 30+ in all of his playoffs he won.
"Oh my Lord, why are you allowed to talk basketball?" Stephen A., I feel the same way about you.
fr stephen a had a horrible career, and now the only thing hes good for is bringing in views for his wild takes and being an ass
@@marcofonte7246,a horrible hairline as well.
stay of the weeeeeduh
-stephen A
I say this when he talks about baseball
@@marcofonte7246of course his takes are wild but horrible career is a reach, he's been doing this for 30 year🤷🏾♂️
Hakeems offense is so iconic his defense has become underrated. All time block leader who also put up steals at a rate higher than basically every other elite nba center. He's the all-time stock leader by 1600 points! 1.7 steals a game as a center.
Hakeem is widely considered the greatest defender of all time with Rodman coming in 2nd.💯
Still not better than Shaq!
FACTS! Most profound statement on here! I stopped reading after this post!
@@keithlefrancois4990 Shaq is a liability on the free throw and in defence
And that he swept SHAQ TWICE!!
Shaq had the whole team tryna block him, LITERALLY THE WHOLE TEAM BTW.
Shaq is up there but Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell and Hakeem are in the conversation.
I agree....& Shaq would too... !!
wilt has nothing for shaq... bill russell has nothing for shaq... dream is the only one you can make an argument for... and dream played against orlando shaq... truth is nobody is stopping laker shaq
Shaq clears bill Russel but I got the other 3 ahead of him
Facts
@@CashMoneyCarter-n8e Bill Russel has 11 rings what are u talking about? Lol
Dream was hitting shaq with that lateral movement
😂😂😂
Lol😂😂😂😂😂
All day 😂😂😂😂😂
"I on't eeen know how to respond to that"
3rd year Shaq
He put his own foot in his mouth. They said it don’t matter who u beat and he said yes it does. Look who Wilt was beating up on 🤣
Shaq is my #1 center all time, all era’s.
Stephen A: It's not about who you beat.
Also Stephen A: Wilt beat players 1 foot shorter 💀
Which was complete bullshit, they were all 6’9” to 7’0” back in the 60s playing center.
@@teddyrobo1But the average NBA height was 3 inches shorter and 30lbs less than it was in Shaqs time. That makes a huge difference. Although I have seen old footage of Wilt and he moves very athletic in comparison to the others. He was just ahead of his time. It's a close call but I think prime Shaq is better.
@@NotJaredGoff Actually, at least according to the graph on Hoops Geek, players(and Centers) in the late 90s and 2000s were on average at most an inch taller and 10-20 pounds heavier than the players of Wilt's generation. So still a difference but not nearly as big.
Like shaq wasn't 100 pounds bigger than every player on the court
@@hellisgood666this^
My favorite part is "Kareem." "Ok."
Once he said Tim Duncan you knew he didn’t know shit about basketball.
How Stephen A feels right here is how I feel everytime he tries to talk mma
“He played shaq and HE BEAT HIM 4STRAIGHT GAMES!!” The voice he made 😂😂😂
then he said "it doesnt matter who you beat"
@@yirmiuc6107it don't
"HE PLAYED SHAQ & HE BEAT HIM 4 STRAIGHT GAMES"
@@yirmiuc6107I was like wth
I'm dying laughing
Kareem he said ok
Can’t be mad at tht but he was tweakin after tht like fr I’ll even say Hakeem cause Shaq said he gave him problems but shit Shaq still had a better tho Hakeem had better fundamentals
@@kboogie4235Hakeem is the greatest center of all time, don’t look up his highlights, look up his stats, dude was a beast, he was top 5 in EVERYTHING at one point in his career, he didn’t lack anything in his game
It's because even if you think Shaq is better, it's close enough that no one should have an issue with someone thinking one is better than the other. It's more about personal preference at that point.
Hakeem was more well rounded, but Shaq to me was so much better offensively (I don't care about bag, I care about efficiency, which Shaq kills Hakeem there) that it outweighs the other areas Hakeem was better in.
Wilt I can even give a pass because of the gawdy numbers (I have Shaq higher, but I can at least understand why people have Wilt higher).
Duncan is definitely more a power forward than a center. It's like calling AD a center lol. They're power forwards that play the 5 due to matchups. You ain't moving Kareem or Shaq to the 4 no matter who is alongside them.
Then the Moses take was absurd. Great player, but c'mon. He was basically a smaller and less athletic Shaq. Shit, Shaq's bag was even deeper than Moses. And I say this as someone who thinks Moses gets slept on too much.
@@kboogie4235Hakeem swept him in the finals and led his team in everything
@@funvidistShaq wasn’t in his prime yet and Hakeem was
Wilts a hard one because of the level of player he was against, dudes a beast it’s a shame we’d never know if he’d dominate the same in the modern day
He would dominate any time due to his speed, height, strength and IQ. He was tops in these 4 areas
"Ohh my LORD, why are you allowed to talk basketball " lol😂
Shaq's nightmare is called "the dream"
And hakeem can shoot free throws all day and that's all period 😂
Actually fun fact Shaq is top 3 free throws made😂
@@B-ballEditzbut has one of the worst percentages ever 😂
God had to keep Shaq humble at womwrging
In the interview long time ago shaq admits that he couldn't break or intimidate hakeem. The skills , abilities basketball iq and mentallity of the dream in his era is unbreakable and unstoppable.
Exactly what I thought 😅
Hakeem the dream. Most skilled center to ever play.
Agreed, Hakeem has a wider range when coming to over skill set, but that man Shaq is easily the most physically dominant “player” to ever touch the court. Easily top 3 centers of all time, soulfully off the fact of his court presence offensively and defensively
Jokic is definitely more skilled
@@Loski_YNWAnah Hakeem had better speed and defense and athleticism but that’s just me
@@Loski_YNWAJokic is better at Passing and shooting 3s. But everything else goes to Hakeem. As In defense, post spin moves, midrange and even 0-3 ft, he’s more athletic. Rebounding is actually pretty close but Hakeem still has an edge over in TRB. But the dream is hands down the most skilled center still. And he still leads in BLKs and STLs compared to all centers. And if he was actually as big or just as strong as Shaq, he’d probably be actually the greatest center of all time and possibly would’ve won more chips tbh. Hakeem was better than Orlando Shaq but Lakers Shaq was probably a little better than Hakeem. The only goat Centers that’s usually mentioned the most is either Shaq or Kareem, sometimes Wilt too. I think at the end of Jokic career, he’d probably be in the goat centers convo too.
@@Loski_YNWAno Hakeem is way more skilled
As a Knicks fan, Watching Pat Ewing play in a SuperSonics uniform was the most awkward thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
SHAQ WAS TERROR AROUND THE BASKETBALL RIM 😂
Hakeem was drafted before The greatest player of all time Jordan but I have never heard no one complain about it.
Wow no one talk bout that!!!!!
Wilt is considered the Greatest,......
@@tboned70get outta here
Sam Bowie was drafted in front of Jordan,,,, no one knew that he had a bone disease, though.
@tboned70 Wilt is not considered the greatest by about 99% of basketball fans. Mostly due to the lack of footage but also the many changes in the game since Wilt's era. Since MJ, however, there hasn't been a player close to being considered as good or even better than MJ. There's been a lot of talented players with great potential, but none that were in the same realm as MJ.
Hakeem is the most skilled center I’ve ever seen in my life, he dominated check every time they played against each other throughout his entire career
He dominated a 21 year old shaq...gurantee you hakeem couldn't hang with lakers shaq
@@msufan590 go watch Hakeem playing for the Raptors guarding shaq … lol Hakeem had his number his whole career
@@countryclown81 they never even played each other when hakeem was on the raptors LMAO oldheads always lying
@@shrillexx4119what are you talking about? You do know the NBA is more than just the playoffs right? Every team goes against each other in the regular season
@@KenpachiZaraki001 shaq and hakeem did not play a game against each other at all when hakeem was on the raptors.
I think he was talking about who's better than shaq skill wise, but shaq was so dominant and powerful that he did not need to know how to shoot, dribble, or even have post up moves. He literally could have backed down anyone and just throw it down
Shaq was a cheat code
I think he’s right about Hakeem though, Shaq did lose 4 straight to him. It was pure domination from The Dream. Russo has something on Stephen A. Smith.
Who got more rings
@@donj4396so bill russel better than everyone else? Stop with that „who has more rings?“ nonsense. You mean Robert Horry is better because he has 7?
@danielklyuchnikov2699 I'm talking Shaq and Hakeem Shaq is more dominant
No you said who got more rings implying that just because shaq has more rings he is more dominant
Nah, if you look at the numbers Shaq actually outplayed Hakeem that series...more rebounds, assist, blocks, and even scored better shooting 60%, Hakeem scored more because he took more shots but only shot 48%
Hakeem is so underrated
He’s my favorite center
@@spideyedits111well he’s my favorite ever too but he’s not better than Shaq tho
@@ethaneaves_04average take from someone with a curry pfp
@@chevu_2 okay what does that have to do with anything, kind of a smart ass comment, why the toxicity?
@@chevu_2 Hakeem was better all around with his game but Shaq was more dominant down low and in general on offense, Shaq has more rings and has won more I don’t understand what you’re trying to get at with a puss ass comment, if you think Hakeem ranks higher all time that’s fine but no reason for that petty shit bro
as soon as he said Moses Malone they was suppose to mute his mic, lol
The guys he named are more skilled offensively. But Shaq is the most dominant player ever. Period
He has a point, Shaq is a force of nature.
But talking about skills, all those are better players.
You're probably too young to have seen Magic Shaq. He had handles, with a smooth footwork and grace in the paint.
@@uchgamerx I was born in 1980, out of Orlando, he was pure power.
It's not a matter of if Shaq hasn't got skills, as time went on he based his game in pure power, and others based his game in skills.
Despite the fact that wilt played against the second most HOF player at his position(only behind kareem and parish, which he played 7 years less than both) He PLAYED THE MOST TOTAL GAMES against another hof center….see list below lol
(mind you these are their barefoot heights, in the modern NBA you would add 1-2 inches to their height, as players have been measured in their shoes only after 1977)
C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons)
C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons)
C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons)
C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF
C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons)
C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons)
C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season)
C-Elvin Hayes:6’9 “ HOF (22 games played in 4 seasons)
(Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’7) (26 times in 5 seasons)
(Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons)
(Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons)
(please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9)
SO THATS 574 OUT OF 1045…WHICH TRANSLATES TO 54% OF WILTS GAMES BEING PLAYED AGAINST ANOTHER HOF CENTER…
No! Shaq has more rings then Hakeem and I don't even know if Moses Malone has a ring. Rings matter
@@darioustobar8808 so does knowing basketball
Shaq was the number one NBA center ...in the buffet line
Lol
Haaaaa.. you win! 😂😂😂😅😅😅
and last at the free throw line.
...if he wasn't 7 feet 350lb w the ability to get position, he would be nothing..
..no touch, no work ethic, and was perfectly content to rely solely on the inherent gifts that was given to him.
lazy
@@TebowTebow-rz9ev He's a story of waisted potential ...and I didn't mispell that= he let his fork and laziness in the gym turn what could have been a Wilt Chamberlain type career into a Shaq type career.
@@unnaturalselection8330 so true and well said💯👈Slaq
Shaq is not the best. Most people simply do not understand how good Wilt was. Strength, power, athleticism were off the charts. Just go read some of things Wilt did outside basketball.
Shaq is just physical.
Hakeem was the most legit argument in my opinion
Easily. Shaq has also said that Hakeem is better
I'll take Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime over any center in any era and never regret it.
I mean, he was drafted over Jordan, and no one calls it a bad pick 🤷
@@AlexG-tp2ikthis is the worst argument I have ever heard
@@WillZelek How so?
@@AlexG-tp2ik you only call it a bad pick if the payers bad it has nothing to do with the other players in the draft
Nah. Hakeem has been overrated since he retired.
Hakeem had a couple great playoff runs, but he wasn't universally feared for most of his career.
In fact, at the time, people would have said Robinson and Ewing were just as good. And they were probably right.
Hakeem way overrated in these convos.
Shack committed offensive fouls by bullying his way to the basket.
Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Moses.
I mean that boy Hakeem did sweep him in the finals 😂
😅😅 I mean…you is speaking factually
Young Shaq. He still had Similac on his breath. And Shaq still balled out in that series. Dream edged him out by a little. Once Diesel went to L.A. it was a wrap.
He was a baby then lol
@@OrondeBranchShaq himself says Hakeem is better than him. He has huge respect for Hakeem
Baby was a beast💪🏾. Hakeem was just better. Hakeem was a baby when he went to the finals. He never got swept like Shaq. Blame N Anderson next and stop calling Shaq a baby. He won Rookie of the year and never played in a rookie game. He went straight to the all-star game. Also Laker Shaq lost. It was Kobe n D Wade that made Shaq a winner
" Have you lost your damn mind" is killing me!! 🤣😂🤣⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️
As I was reading the SAS was saying it too so it was perfect lmao
shaq would have a heart attack trying to play most of them. he’s not scoring that’s for sure
That’s cute 😂😂😂
Shaq was the biggest brute to ever play basketball ever. The dude was just a big ass sack of meat that you couldn’t get past and who could bulldoze you whenever he felt like it.
What are you even talking about?
Um he played Hakeem ND scored alot 😭
“Why are you allowed to talk basketball”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Saying Tim Duncan was better than Shaq is an insult
Tim has more records and achievements
Shaq was a dunker and a power to be reckoned with. He didn't have the Finesse like Hakeem Olajuwon
Cause hid old man beat his ass when he tried to jumper. He was taught to take it to the basket and physically dominate so he did. He never had to do other. Go to the basket and thump it down on them every time.
He didn't need it either.
3 straight finals MVP, only other man to do that is MJ.
Facts! When the game is on the line, I'm not giving it to Shaq. Kareem, Wilt, Dream all day.
@@bassoonman2000Hell nah bro I take Kareem all day. Especially in crunch time. Ever heard of the sky hook? I would certainly want an almost untouchable shot over a big power take it to the rim guy. All you gotta do is send him to the free throw line and Shaq is dead. Shaq is good, not that good.
"First off he played Shaq AND HE BEAT HIM 4 STRAIGHT GAMES!!" lmao
😅
But O'Neal did his thing. It was his team. Not Shaq. Hakeem couldn't stop Shaq. Gtfoh
@@teddunbar8319and Shaq couldn’t stop hakeem bozo. Shaq would be a nobody without kobe Bryant
@@Brickwilliams how tf he won one without kobe. I didn't say Hakeem wasn't great. But give Shaq his flowers
@@teddunbar8319 oh yeah with prime lebron instead of kobe…..
He does have a strong argument there.
Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, Russell
When he started saying names it was like...okay, keep going...
Dream gave Shaq nightmares!!
Young Shaq
@@ronaldomessi7055 if you make it to the finals then ya age cant be an excuse!!
If you go to war ya enemy got the right to kill you whether you 18 or 38!! Ya enemy aint gonna say oh this soldier is only 19...let's spare his life!!
@@eastbee103that makes no sense what so ever It was a young shaq if they played prime shaq vs prime dream shaq winning if ur gonna talk out of your ass turn around so I can hear it
@@kashshhds8824bro they’re soldiers geez man c’mon
But shaq got 4 rings and Hakeem 2, sooo…
The guys he named was better if we talking about their all around game but Shaq was so strong it made up for the areas he lacked so much so that he got to be atleast top 3
Dude is 💯 on the money!!!!!!
As soon as he said Tim Duncan I knew he just wanted attention 😂
😅
Kind of interesting, Duncan was listed as a center for 10 years of his 19 year career
Oh forreal? I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing that Bruv 🤝🤝🤝
Yea, Duncan played alot of center, especially as he got older. May have been better there than at the 4.
Played as much center as Forward
Hakeem Olajuewon wasn't just a great center but he's the only center who can say he dominated his competition in the most dominant era for Big men 80"s/90's. Olajuwon went head to head and outclassed David Robinson and Dikembe in playoffs, he got the better of Ewing and Shaq in a finals, Hakeem was unstoppable in his prime I would've loved to see the Rockets of 94 and 95 season against the Jordan Bulls idk who would've won but that was going to be a 7 game series!!
Hakeem had a winning record against MJ's Bulls.
How many rings do Hakeem has ?????🫡
That's all I half to say.
Olajuewon is not the most dominant Era lmfaooooo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😢😢😢
When Jordan dipped Olajuwon became my favorite player
And Aint NO ONE talking about my boy YAO MING!
Wilt is underrated
"Who is stopping Shaq in any era?"
*Hakeem The Dream Olajuwon*
He didn't stop Shaq. Shaq just couldn't stop him.
@@CleteSr youre right he didnt stop him. Hakeem DOMINATED Shaq.
@@TheAzTex not quite.
@@TheAzTexyou def didn’t watch them play
Hakeem later admitted that 2000s Prime Shaq he wouldn't be able to do much against. Hakeem himself said that.
bro forgot that hakeem and Kareem exist
Maddog is hilarious.
The moses malone was a stretch. shaqs only skill was his sheer force.
“Who was a foot taller than 99% of the league?” As if Shaq didn’t rely on his physical attributes
Exactly, Shaq dominated because he was bigger than everyone else.....
Wilt played against dudes that wouldn’t get picked up at LA fitness.
@@codycray8461💀casual take
Then says it’s not about who you beat💀
Shaq is the MJ of bigs. No one will ever top him and he deserves the spot on the ultimate NBA starting lineup
The Wilt hate is insane. Wilt played against greats and was so dominant that they made rule changes to stop him. The man averaged 50 and didn’t even like to dunk he tried to do hooks and floaters and layups to make the basketball more challenging to him. When he retired he had the most points in nba history and he’s the only person who dropped 100 and the only person to average 50 and this is going against top tier talent at the center position. He was out of this world strong and he was just as fast as the pg and his career high in assist is 22 cuz he just felt like leading the league in assist per game
yes but u have to understand that was a different era. no doubt if he played today he would be pretty good. it kinda discredits him
Wilt is the Greatest Hooper of ALL TIME! I don't listen to ignorant haters that go by what they hear. I do the research! Wilt was even giving a young Lew Alcindor the business before he injured his knee. Yet STILL led the league in rebounding at 18 a game in his last year.
@@jehuslay5238 not even top 8 of all time
@@lacer28 The "different era" argument is an easy way to discredit someone. I don't buy it.
@@zaziou711 ok 👍
I like Shaq but this guy is absolutely correct!
all those players are pretty awesome, you can shuffle em up however you want!
The Dream Shake gave players nightmares
Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Akeem. I do like the fact that he actually called Duncan a center cause he was. Also the average center in WIlt's time was 6'10.5" so he wasn't a fott taller than the whole league. The overall talent he played against was better because the amount of spots on the teams were less because there were less teams.
Duncan's size was that of a center, but he played pf not c for most of his career!
@@quitinfolkes4639 Nah, he was listed at center for 10 of his 19 seasons, which is more, and even in his seasons where he was a 'power forward' he still spent about 40% to half of his time on the floor at the 5. Once he turned 30 and Robinson had retired Duncan spent essentially all of his minutes at center.
"The overall talent he played against was better" is the most blasphemous statement I've ever read
These were the 4 I thought old boy was gonna reel off when he started talking.
Wilt was 7 foot 1 and yes most players was short.
Bill Russell getting disrespected 😂
When he said Duncan his credibility went out the window
Got to give it to him. That's a hell of a 4.
Yeah and none of them are 3-times (in a row) Finals MVP
@@sew90682 times in a row and swept Shaq in the process is really close
Kareem has more fmvp overall doesn't he
Bill Russell would say 10 fmvp in a row is cute
Wilt is better than shaq in all athleticism aspects and probably shoots ft better and on top of that passes the ball better
@@tpsamonly centers who have an argument over Shaq are Kareem and Hakeem. That’s it. Bill Russell is a scrub and wilt wasnt as dominant as Shaq
@@ozzee5094dumb things to say. Wilt dominated so hard the league changed the damn rules to make it harder for him to be successful.
Exactly, they played with skill and finesse..... But I love Shaq though
Shaq need his praise the same way Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron do... he was unstoppable fr
For like 4 years. Then he found out LA has bacon wrapped hotdogs
@@IWannaUnaliveMyself💀
He couldnt dribble or shoot and could barley pass how is he better than the centers that could do all that? Like Hakeem wilt and yes Duncan shaq bodied and bullied and got lucky to play with kobe and wade all other teams he slowed down and was a liability to dribble suck at passing and could not shoot
The difference is Work ethic, Shaq doesn't even come close to those guys
He couldn't shoot though. 🤦
Hakeem is my starting center all time
All the centers he named have a case. Especially Hakeem he was incredible