I'm glad to see that the guests and subjects that would have chiefly been the domain of Michael Brooks have found their way onto this show, and Sam Seder is continuing his legacy and his work.
The alliance between the Ottomans and Protestant England was brokered under Elizabeth I, but I always regarded this as a piece of trivia. It so mind blowing to listen to or read an historian like Gerald Horne and have pieces of history that have always been in front of me placed together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. We all knew about the Ottomans and Constantinople. We all knew about the Crusades. We all know about Columbus and "Indians." The fact the Horne flawlessly puts these pieces together should indicate how much effort has been used to keep us from not seeing the big picture.
I really appreciate this interview. Seeing Historians connect the dots is a beautiful thing in a North American society that is suffering from amnesia and bumbling from event to event.
I could listen to Dr Gerald Horn lecture all day. I can't think of another historian who gives such an in depth analysis of white supremacy and it's origins.
Great to listen to the mighty Gerald Horne! I think you are the only show on TH-cam that consistently have this great man even beating out Democracy Now. I’m sharing this video with lots of friends right now. Excellent work!
Rich people to poor people through history "you can't have your land anymore, I own your land now. But you can have that person's land over there who isn't really person". Colonialism in a nutshell.
I clicked on this after someone put the link in the Dr. Boyce show. I am glad I did. I will need to listen again because of so much information. This was a history lesson I must of missed growing up.
I normally hate "history" projects like this because I've studied it myself. The author sounds like he actually studied it and is not just repeating the same old status quo retellings. I'll read his book if I can remember to order it.
I've read a few of his books, and he doesn't give you jingles to make you feel better. He quoted and sited work by people involved with historical events. He doesn't interpret and preach but rather point out the connections between events. He's the kind of historian that ff he was to focus on the history of WW1, he is not the kind of historian that will sell you the jingle of good vs evil. He would probably pointed out that England was the bad guy as oppose to the German, relatively speaking. The problem with 90% of the people on this planet is that they do not want to face reality. A lot of people will kill you for showing them the truth; that's how strong denial works as a coping mechanism.
Excellent dialogue, Sam. Your guest’s ability to look beyond the accepted narrative makes him worthy of further exchange on this fascinating world shaping topic
he does write questions down, but he attempts to tailor interviews based on what his guests have to say. He wants to listen actively and let guests guide the conversation. I really enjoy his interview style. I think his only weaknesses center around the fact that Sam isn't the best extemporaneous speaker with all of his "ums, and ahs." I think sticking to a script more closely could fix that problem, but would likely come with a tradeoff in "thoughtfulness."
The move westwards by Spain and Portugal had more to do with the continuation of the Reconquista and the fact that the Ottoman's had cut of the European trade routes to India. These kingdoms had a lot of soldiers and they needed to do something with them. So why not sent them westward to find India and conquer land in between to create a secure trade route without Ottoman interference? Religion played a relatively minor role.
I appreciate Horne's broad historical analysis, but whenever he gets into speaking about the Irish, he lumps them in with the Scots, just as was done at that time. This never represented the Irish, but only the protestant landlords who colonised the north of Ireland, known as Ulster-men. Ulster-men are the origins of modern white supremacy who felt that the Irish were not only sub-human, but damned due to their catholic beliefs. To say that "Scot-Irish" represents the Irish, is the equivalent of saying Trump represents Black communities, or ISIS represents Islam. Really offensive, and deeply ignorant.
24:34 yeah its bait and switch its a shell game its .. how do i reconcile my innate desire as a human being to be a good person with how i make my money of the misery of others and every thing is just metal gymnastics to explain to my self why the bad things i did and do to make money dont make me a bad person ..
Great interview, Horne is by far one of my favorite historians. However, I don't think he explains the historical development of race. (@35:57) I think questions about race, capitalism, and Europe can be found in Cedric Robinson's Black Marxism and the Terms of Order. Europe is a racial civilization that has informed the development of the modern world.
Both the western and eastern world will have to acknowledge that just as Christianity is a sect of Judaism, Islam is a sect of Christianity. Jesus is the Christ or Messiah in the Quran. A chapter of the Quran is dedicated to the Virgin Mother Mary who is held up to be the example for women. Islam is very much the same as Unitarian Christianity. The main difference is, where the Unitarians may call Jesus the Son, albeit not God, Muslims are taught Jesus is a special Apostle with the signs from God, and never called himself God.
Islam was the new kid in town which riffed off of Judaism and Christianity, to the degree of the faulty knowledge of them, that its creator or creators had. It honored its version of Jesus in the Quran but denied the critical death and resurrection, of the New Testament Messiah. The Quran is ignorant of the whole sacrificial lamb trope, which was the center of both Judaic and Christian atonement. Unitarian Christianity is an oxymoron. It is a heresy not a kind of Christianity.
mieliav its cultural genocide. Christianity was and is largely a form of legitimizing opression by glorifying whiteness, patriarchy, authoritarianism, and militarism. So much of traditional Christianity Goes against the philosophy and worldview of indigenous cultures, which doesnt venerate conquest, order linear thinking , or the nuclear family like Christianity does. So much of Christianity is about accepting one’s lot in life, defering to authority, ect. It is a great way to indoctrinate those u wish to opress by casting suffering and persecution as a sign of God’s favor, and casting those who submit to barbarity with the most peace, as a sign of divinity.
It also gave them a religious cause to the slave trade. They would tell themselves they were doing gods work by spreading the gospel to the savages (while keeping them chained on top of each other like cattle and forcing them to work for free in their fated destinations, of those who would survive the journey). At the time, the Church still looked down upon the merchant class and trade was seen as something less than righteous, so to combine slave trading with evangelism eliminates those barriers entirely.
Religion was probably an acceptable way for the slaves to develop a community separate from their slave owners as well as a source of hope in a seemingly hopeless situation.
Imported? Actually, I think the people that lived in Africa where moved through force by the Atlantic slave trade. This guy is an insufferable youtube commentator?
Wow. There's fifty minutes of my life I'll not be getting back. Another sad post-modernist just-so story where the author twists the historical record to fit their preconceived notions. Gotta love the liberal arts!
"Twists the historical record" or he shows how complex & interconnected historical events combined to deliver certain outcomes. Much more complex than the "Columbus sailed the ocean blue" simple racist history you learned (or didn't).
@@Betmas2 Amazing. Do you really think your Orwellian declarations are meaningful in any way? Might I suggest a degree outside of Google U? That might give you a clue as to what reality actually is.
This guy is crazy saying KKK didn’t burn crosses until it was put on television. So I guess you’re saying the Jewish AKA Caesarian people created that……..proves my point right there.
I'm glad to see that the guests and subjects that would have chiefly been the domain of Michael Brooks have found their way onto this show, and Sam Seder is continuing his legacy and his work.
Same here.
The alliance between the Ottomans and Protestant England was brokered under Elizabeth I, but I always regarded this as a piece of trivia. It so mind blowing to listen to or read an historian like Gerald Horne and have pieces of history that have always been in front of me placed together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. We all knew about the Ottomans and Constantinople. We all knew about the Crusades. We all know about Columbus and "Indians." The fact the Horne flawlessly puts these pieces together should indicate how much effort has been used to keep us from not seeing the big picture.
I really appreciate this interview. Seeing Historians connect the dots is a beautiful thing in a North American society that is suffering from amnesia and bumbling from event to event.
yup exactly 💯
I could listen to Dr Gerald Horn lecture all day. I can't think of another historian who gives such an in depth analysis of white supremacy and it's origins.
Gerald Horne is the one! Very thankful for an honest historian 💪
Great to listen to the mighty Gerald Horne! I think you are the only show on TH-cam that consistently have this great man even beating out Democracy Now. I’m sharing this video with lots of friends right now. Excellent work!
Dr. Horne is a gem, an international treasure.
Have this guy on more often!
His use of language is beautiful
I watched this live. Buy his book! He is incredible
Rich people to poor people through history "you can't have your land anymore, I own your land now. But you can have that person's land over there who isn't really person". Colonialism in a nutshell.
You can discuss and talk about this all you want the problem is those who have power or not going to relinquish it willingly.
This guy rules! More of him please
Gerald Horne is the realest
I clicked on this after someone put the link in the Dr. Boyce show. I am glad I did. I will need to listen again because of so much information. This was a history lesson I must of missed growing up.
Much like myself, we didn't miss it because it was never presented to us in school.
Incredible scholar. G. Horne’s the best.
I normally hate "history" projects like this because I've studied it myself. The author sounds like he actually studied it and is not just repeating the same old status quo retellings. I'll read his book if I can remember to order it.
I've read a few of his books, and he doesn't give you jingles to make you feel better. He quoted and sited work by people involved with historical events. He doesn't interpret and preach but rather point out the connections between events. He's the kind of historian that ff he was to focus on the history of WW1, he is not the kind of historian that will sell you the jingle of good vs evil. He would probably pointed out that England was the bad guy as oppose to the German, relatively speaking.
The problem with 90% of the people on this planet is that they do not want to face reality. A lot of people will kill you for showing them the truth; that's how strong denial works as a coping mechanism.
I see Gerald Horne I click
Me too.
This interview feels like the missing link. So informative and powerful that it answers questions we didn’t know to ask.
Excellent dialogue, Sam. Your guest’s ability to look beyond the accepted narrative makes him worthy of further exchange on this fascinating world shaping topic
Thank you Sam for giving us Mr. Horne !
This was a very enlightening listen 👍
amazing conversation! ❤️
Fascinating Sammy
Sam, I love your work but please start writing your questions down and make the whole conversation/interview more flowing. Thanks in advance.🙏
he does write questions down, but he attempts to tailor interviews based on what his guests have to say. He wants to listen actively and let guests guide the conversation. I really enjoy his interview style. I think his only weaknesses center around the fact that Sam isn't the best extemporaneous speaker with all of his "ums, and ahs." I think sticking to a script more closely could fix that problem, but would likely come with a tradeoff in "thoughtfulness."
Birdup1776 my thoughts exactly! You just articulated it much better. 👍
Very enlightening. I must read for everyone.
So glad Gerald corrected Sam...... I worry that those younger than Gen x didn't get a very good education.
KKK didn't burn crosses until that was put in that movie of D W Griffiths 'The Birth of a Nation' and President Wilson showed it at White House.
I was stating at a friends hose and crosses were burned on his yard.
I bought the book and I am already reading it
A pleasure to welcome back to the countr... the, uh, show.
Thumbs up and an additional comment to beat the algorithm. Thanks for the video! 👍🔥👍
Reparations are necessary , to the black people or maybe better to all poor people, it is a question of class.
Really interesting!
Love you Sam but sometimes it takes you two minutes to ask a 10 second question
Lol....I noticed that too.
The move westwards by Spain and Portugal had more to do with the continuation of the Reconquista and the fact that the Ottoman's had cut of the European trade routes to India. These kingdoms had a lot of soldiers and they needed to do something with them. So why not sent them westward to find India and conquer land in between to create a secure trade route without Ottoman interference? Religion played a relatively minor role.
I appreciate Horne's broad historical analysis, but whenever he gets into speaking about the Irish, he lumps them in with the Scots, just as was done at that time. This never represented the Irish, but only the protestant landlords who colonised the north of Ireland, known as Ulster-men. Ulster-men are the origins of modern white supremacy who felt that the Irish were not only sub-human, but damned due to their catholic beliefs.
To say that "Scot-Irish" represents the Irish, is the equivalent of saying Trump represents Black communities, or ISIS represents Islam. Really offensive, and deeply ignorant.
This qualification needs to be made.
24:34 yeah its bait and switch its a shell game its .. how do i reconcile my innate desire as a human being to be a good person with how i make my money of the misery of others and every thing is just metal gymnastics to explain to my self why the bad things i did and do to make money dont make me a bad person ..
Great interview, Horne is by far one of my favorite historians. However, I don't think he explains the historical development of race. (@35:57)
I think questions about race, capitalism, and Europe can be found in Cedric Robinson's Black Marxism and the Terms of Order. Europe is a racial civilization that has informed the development of the modern world.
Both the western and eastern world will have to acknowledge that just as Christianity is a sect of Judaism, Islam is a sect of Christianity. Jesus is the Christ or Messiah in the Quran. A chapter of the Quran is dedicated to the Virgin Mother Mary who is held up to be the example for women. Islam is very much the same as Unitarian Christianity. The main difference is, where the Unitarians may call Jesus the Son, albeit not God, Muslims are taught Jesus is a special Apostle with the signs from God, and never called himself God.
Islam was the new kid in town which riffed off of Judaism and Christianity, to the degree of the faulty knowledge of them, that its creator or creators had.
It honored its version of Jesus in the Quran but denied the critical death and resurrection, of the New Testament Messiah.
The Quran is ignorant of the whole sacrificial lamb trope, which was the center of both Judaic and Christian atonement.
Unitarian Christianity is an oxymoron.
It is a heresy not a kind of Christianity.
Knowledge proceeds speech and action! Don't speak before you know what you are talking about!
Read The Many Headed Hydra also.
how does the christianization of the slaves in the US play in?
mieliav its cultural genocide. Christianity was and is largely a form of legitimizing opression by glorifying whiteness, patriarchy, authoritarianism, and militarism. So much of traditional Christianity Goes against the philosophy and worldview of indigenous cultures, which doesnt venerate conquest, order linear thinking , or the nuclear family like Christianity does. So much of Christianity is about accepting one’s lot in life, defering to authority, ect. It is a great way to indoctrinate those u wish to opress by casting suffering and persecution as a sign of God’s favor, and casting those who submit to barbarity with the most peace, as a sign of divinity.
It also gave them a religious cause to the slave trade. They would tell themselves they were doing gods work by spreading the gospel to the savages (while keeping them chained on top of each other like cattle and forcing them to work for free in their fated destinations, of those who would survive the journey).
At the time, the Church still looked down upon the merchant class and trade was seen as something less than righteous, so to combine slave trading with evangelism eliminates those barriers entirely.
Religion was probably an acceptable way for the slaves to develop a community separate from their slave owners as well as a source of hope in a seemingly hopeless situation.
lol what was the Freudian slip Sam let loose at the introduction?
@GazB country?
Interesting
Didn't Sephardic Jews pull their ships out of the Spanish Netherlands and begin slave trading up to New York, Norfolk, Charleston etc?
XR mutha fukers. ShakeUp Unite around Mother Nature, she bats last. Shout out to buzz kill Mcgreggor.
Ottoman church? Not a thing
Sam seems totally non-plussed by all this.
Actually, the Portuguese imported rhe most African slaves to Brazil. This guy is a historian?
Actually, shut up you pedant.
Imported? Actually, I think the people that lived in Africa where moved through force by the Atlantic slave trade. This guy is an insufferable youtube commentator?
MAGA 😭😭😭😭😭
Lol
Make America Great At last
@@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent Your right...
@TheSquad plus1 🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽
Wow. There's fifty minutes of my life I'll not be getting back. Another sad post-modernist just-so story where the author twists the historical record to fit their preconceived notions. Gotta love the liberal arts!
"Twists the historical record" or he shows how complex & interconnected historical events combined to deliver certain outcomes. Much more complex than the "Columbus sailed the ocean blue" simple racist history you learned (or didn't).
@@sondrajean955 no, he twists it.
Nope. Try again. Learn to deal with reality
Eternally grateful to Gerald Horne. We are better for having honest historians like himself.
@@Betmas2 Amazing. Do you really think your Orwellian declarations are meaningful in any way? Might I suggest a degree outside of Google U? That might give you a clue as to what reality actually is.
This guy is crazy saying KKK didn’t burn crosses until it was put on television. So I guess you’re saying the Jewish AKA Caesarian people created that……..proves my point right there.