Our Reaction To New Jimmy Savile Drama ‘The Reckoning’ | Loose Women
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- BBC One’s controversial new drama,‘The Reckoning’, aired last night, with Steve Coogan playing Jimmy Savile, one of the most notorious sex offenders in British history. The show has left viewers split, with some describing it as a ‘story that needs to be told’, while others were left feeling uncomfortable. Joanna says that although the show left her feeling dirty, she couldn’t help but continue to watch. Ruth refused to watch, and would have preferred an informative documentary, whereas Coleen argues you can sometimes learn more from a dramatisation than from a documentary.
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I used to watch Jim fix it.. and mum would walk past the room and say he's a horrible disgusting man. But as a child we all loved Jim fix it. I later found out my mother slapped his face back in Stoke Mandeville hospital when he tried to pull her into his caravan. Mum was right all those years ago and now we know. Mums are always right.
Strange you should say that. I was young when this man was at his height. I remember someone saying, 'I just can't stand that man'; I don't know why.' I thought him weird and without any obvious talent.
I wish i hadn't Worzel Gummidge and Dr who was far better A!
My sister and I were young teenagers when he was on ToTP’s and we both just knew what a creep he was
Ur Mum may have been but mother's aren't always right. No1 is perfect
God bless your Mum! So glad she got away.
I think John lydon is deserving of great respect for trying to draw attention to this situation in the seventies
they should have included that in the drama too
@@nikreece6295 at the time the BBC tried to keep John silent by banning him from radio and tv….the BBC would not want that in the story as it shows that they knew all along and protected Jimmy. And now they’re making money out of a story and predator which they supported. Very dodgy indeed.
@@monkeyzx9Yes, you're right, but personally I still think it was important that the BBC should show it.
John Lydon is one of the best humans on this planet!
@@monkeyzx9I totally agree! The BBC doing this is seriously inappropriate and hypocritical because they covered up for him for decades they're making money off of his victims who they ignored and dismissed as liars ot crazy. I'm in two minds as to whether I'll watch it.
Steve Coogan needs to get an award. The likeness in his voice and mannerisms were spot on.
Steve Coogan’s performance is beyond brilliant. My flesh crawled. Showing this helps us to learn from history.
He was absolutely outstanding
Yes agreed
He did break into Alan Partridge a few times though. Something about the accent
@@dhalsim-1I was just thinking that.
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The fact it’s creeping everyone out is why it’s a positive thing to have shown this- because it makes us more aware to call out such people in real life which can only be good.
And who exactly are you going to call out…I have a very long list..do you ?
Bet you can’t call out who are like JS right now on TV. They are loads, you just will never know until they die.
It creeps me out because the very industry which allowed Saville to insulate himself and get away with his behavour is the same industry now still profitting fom Saville in the form of this show. And its common knowledge that pretty much everyone in the entertainment industry knew that he was a very shady man. You can find clips from many comedians making remarks for years leading up to when it all came out. They all knew. Coogan himself very very likely would have known. He was (possibly) part of the machine that protected saville. Until i hear that Coogan donated all his money to the NSPCC and that the show is doing similar i wont watch it.
his acting is good! thats all the real Savile was Vile!
It’s not entertainment. It’s an important programme. Anything to get the subject out there and raise awareness is vital. It is thoughtfully and sensitively done.
They don't want awareness anymore ! Do you think it was just Saville ? Stroll on...😂
Where can I watch it
@@hayleystratus7713on catch up ITVX
The comment that it is 'entertainment' & should not be so but rather a documentary is a stunningly ill considered one.The intent is to inform & dramatisation makes it real so less easily dismissed
@@johntrew1597 I thought it was absolutely superb from start to finish. Only just watched the whole thing. I thought it masterfully captured just 'how' Savile got where he got, through serious serendipity determination and a perfect storm of circumstances. How precarious his rise to fame and insane influence was along the way. How he got away with it extremely narrowly so many times on his way up. Coogan was insanely good. They even managed to make you feel the strangest form of sympathy for the ageing Savile, when his fame was largely gone, but he was stuck in the past of the days prime ministers and royalty held court with him. Not sympathy for a good man, but just basic human understanding of who he was, and that he couldn't let go of his once famous image and cast a pathetic figure the establishment, and industry, now wanted nothing to do with him. That he had no friends, no meaning, and deeply feared exposure by the end. Or that he'd realised he HAD been discovered, and unmasked, just not prosecuted. That he wanted to be caught for infamy, but didn't want prison. Thought it was an outstanding portrayal of a unique one off monster.
I was abused by my stepfather (a school teacher) they got the scene with the cub spot on, I did cry a little! I tried to get my stepfather prosecuted but I never managed to, however after he was dead the government paid me compensation through the 'under the same roof act'. I could write a book. I am male aged 67 and it's always there, however I don't let it rule my life, I'm ok!
i totally understand.. i went through it too. it never leaves you.. i got abused by a man dressed as a punk, i thought all punks were vile at the time.. ironically it was a punk that tried to out saville... i wish you all the best sir
Thank you.
So sorry this happened to you. Try to live your best life now, he destroyed your past, try not to let him destroy your future, much love.
Do not worry, I have two beautiful daughters, four grandchildren and the best wife ever a man could wish for, I'm OK really. Should write that book though, I have a title - " An Ordinary Life".
Agree with Colleen - we need to watch and keep watching, be aware, look for signs and never allow such an atrocity to happen again.
We could easily forget, this makes all the horror back to haunt us, we need things like this
Yet sadly, with Russell Brand, instead of doing that, he has thousands of followers queuing up to defend him!!!
I can't believe I agree with Colleen on this
@@jo_clarke1960 I know - Janet is usually the voice of reason!
@@gazzertrn People watch things, lol? Oh no - have you alerted Interpol? 😆
This is an important story to be told. You can't learn from history if you continue to hide or erase it.
@@supercriceto You've misunderstood my point. Ruth said here, that a dramatization was not needed, couldn't watch it etc. It's imperative that this evil man is thrown into the light for new generations of viewers to study. Why? Because there's still lots of predators like him out there, and we need to understand the thinking of these people in order to spot them.
@stevendalzell5547 I couldn’t agree with you more. 👏🏼
Yet everyone is still ignoring the red flags regarding Russell Brand.
One thing we learn from history is we DONT learn from history.
@@trevorclarey3336 Isn't that the truth...
People should of listened to the John Lydon interview in 1978 when he told the radio about Saville. They ended up not airing his interview and barring Lydon from the radio
Quite.
@@Haberdashery22 x
I have listened to that John lydon is a legend
Coleen is so right , there are still monsters out there. I only saw the last few minutes and felt very uncomfortable. I am a gay man, as a kid a relative in PR took me to the BBC theatre for Jim’ll fix it. I was on the bean bags and was invited back to his dressing room. I distinctly remember being asked back to his room . I was only 10 but remember it as being very strange , he was a smoke smelly strange man with so many people fawning after him. I left quickly as it was really odd. I got lost in the place and found my way out on the street. It was probably the most odd moment of my life ever.
Wow. Thank goodness nothing happened to you. ❤
She would know, would she not, within this industry. How much do we know of certain nasty people within our working environment and warn others of them because they slip up and show themselves to be nasty people? I would not suprise me if she did a Rantzen and Porter, if someone near to them was outed, that they thought they were, but not enough to report them, a get out of jail card
Saville wasn't just another weird pervert; if he was, he would never have got away with it. He was much stranger than that. His personality traits were completely bizarre, and he seems to have steam-rollered through everything and bamboozled everyone with his loud, forceful character. Just the way he was able to switch instantly between affable joviality and pure evil, jokes and threats, or even indulge in them all at the same time, he seems to have been able to intimidate even those in authority who suspected him, they didn't know how to handle him and took the easy way out. It is impossible to portray someone like that 100%, but I think Steve did an excellent job.
its his connections to said enforcement and other organisations and institutions that is whats not being spoken about, (a bit like jizzlane serving a life sentence in new york for being a supplier, but who's she supplying kids to?? just like jimmy. i'm glad its been made "entertainment" more youth will watch it and hopefully get a different more appropriate conversation going
Dou you think it was acceptable to show it please for all those poor kids that he abused ?
@@johnmannion5457 As far as I know, they consulted the surviving victims who were featured in the “docudrama,” and they were ok with it. For some, although Savile avoided justice, it was at least an opportunity for them to contribute to revealing his true legacy as a depraved animal. They also felt it would be a message of caution for children, parents, and those responsible for vulnerable people, as well as those in positions of trust or authority who might have been inclined to abuse it, or turn a blind eye to others who did.
i think it was very clear what his stance was. i'm not sure why you are confused@@johnmannion5457
Agreed. A very important programme to have been made.
Everyone involved in the writing and making of it should be recognised for the incredible job that they have done.
Thee Hypocrisy of Janet Street Porter. She's aware of predators in the industry but once again doesn't want to to name names..When is it going to ever end!!! 😕😕
Had no problem making it all about her though eh.
@@WesleyScottOfficialShe has said in previous programmes that she knew about him. Total hypocrite.
So she's complicit...
You have no proof. Just your opinion.
She's too concerned about her own dignity, calling out predators, to care about all the innocent young victims, whose lives will never be the same!
As a survivour of abuse, I feel this needs to be told... I have been ignored of my abuse my whole life and at 52 it effects me daily even now!! We need more of this... more awareness of how sly so many people are!!
And dramas reach more people than documentaries, especially the types of people who are more likely to have children who will suffer abuse..... IMO!
It's a strange thing,,,Ego!
@@pauloneill914like was said , they were ignored and that’s had an effect on the individuals life . Don’t think they we’re looking for sympathy
@@pauloneill914What a nasty thing to say. A survivor should be able to tell their story to whoever they want to, who are you to try and silence them?
Steve Coogan a fine actor! Janet you made me feel nauseous.
You're not alone 💜
Well said Colleen. It's not a drama for entertainment. Seeing how the victims were caught up and frozen with people not aware is powerful in showing we need more awareness to help and support people
Steve Coogan deserves an award for his performance as Jimmy Savile truly chilling
He deserves recognition and awards for enduring no doubt many hours of studying footage of Saville to perfect his portrayal of him. That alone would be enough to mess with your head.
I understand what you are saying in regards to an award but I really hope no awards are given because it’ll only give even more attention to the creep that was Savile
it's Savile NOT Saville
WHO CARES HOW YOU SPELL THE NAME!@@thesoundlikechameleons2082
Steve Coogan is the only person who could play this role. His voice is spot on. He is such a good actor and impressionist. He is brilliant in this role.
He must know something we don’t know then 😅
@@phillipcarter8045 explain
@@phillipcarter8045what does he know?
@@phillipcarter8045Are you implying something totally unfounded?
Saviles voice and mannerism are very similar to Partridge so that helps too
I met Jimmy Saville in 1968. It was an experience to meet him in the street, but an uneasy one, even for me as a young man of 16 years old, I was uneasy. I had met similar characters who were up to no good. Alarm bells were ringing. I don't care if it was a "Drama" or a "Documentary" , it does not matter under what label the information is passed to new generations who do not have the benefit of hindsight.
There are "Savilles" and Narcissists in every town across the country and we need to be informed to be able to see them. They don't all prey on children, but also on other vulnerable, lonely and trusting people. They are not all men either.
I think this program was a warning to a new generation, that there are these clever, destructive and deceptive people, and there always will be.
Forewarned is forearmed. To show a program like this is far better than it being a real life experience. Listen to your inner intuition if it is sensitive enough.
I haven't seen the program as I dont own a TV, but from this clip, Steve Coogan is brilliant in playing him.
You don't have to watch it on a TV, what are you using to watch this on TH-cam?
@@Mynameisprice A computer.
What made you uneasy? Did you get the impression of an absolute creep?
Did he abuse U?
@@MynameispriceA cell phone, a PC, a tablet?
Steve Coogan is amazing. This story needs to be told and has already been told many times in documentary form.
You have to ask yourself why was nothing done about it. Who did it suit to overlook Savile’ behaviour.
@@sharonramsey715 the bbc they didn’t want the scandal rather let him continue hurting youngsters like they meant nothing . I hope the bbc learn lessons , but considering there was Gary glitter & Rolf Harris & who knows else who is an unknown having done the same .
Award winning performance from coogan,he nailed the voice,the mannerisms, everything
Janet asks how this could have happened? The answer is easy, people like her looked the other way
Oh yes and they would have Listened to her im sure in the 60s 70s and 80s She would have been told to shut up. And no one would have Listen, toshe would have lost her job.thats why js got away With the things he did
Just like people are turning the other way now with the comedian. Every thing people are saying in defence of that person, is what was said throughout Saville’s career
She would've giggled and flirted with him about it just go look at all the other female broadcasters that flirted within back in the 70s when he was telling them that he was feared in every girl school in the country
@julietaberner6353 this is what she and Esther Rantzen both claimed. At the time, they were two of the most powerful women in British TV. They could have made themselves heard.
@@debrastacey3718are you talking about Russel brand? If so he’s hardly in the same league as Savile
As an Aussie, so never grew up familiar with Savile But from the moment I laid eyes on him via social media ,ect ..I felt instantly taken aback and completely freaked out by just the sight of him.Actually made my skin crawl .
Savile
As a Canadian, thanks in part to my Scottish born father, I became an Anglophile at a young age, reading, listening, and watching anything I could laid my hands on that came from, or was about, the United Kingdom, especially, England. The first time I saw a photo of him, was in some book in my local library, back in the seventies, I think it was some sort of encyclopedia of British television, I found him interesting looking, but I didn't think he was scary, at the time, I thought he was just eccentric and harmless, I was wrong.
My husband, a police officer, recognised immediately that he was an evil man, slimy, he called him. He refused to have him appear on our t.v screen.
What struck me was how many people knew what he was doing and did nothing to stop it. Disgusting conduct by all concerned.
My feelings , they were all aware , but kept silent ,in fear of losing their jobs , Janet Street Porter has admitted it , what is that telling you , err maybe not my problem absolutely disgusting simple
And there’s a person in the spotlight now who everyone knew what was happening but, there’s still people out there saying “why didn’t these victims come forward sooner, he’s exposing the elite and the government and they’re coming after him for doing so, it’s only rumours, why aren’t the police involved”. See the similarity to what we saw in the Reckoning?
@@jacquelineithell307 - When Benny Hill did a parody of "TOTP" where he impersonated Savile, he had to tread very lightly in terms of communicating his own suspicions about Savile's offscreen behavior. One way he went around it was to skewer his name as "Jimmy Saveloy" - using a euphemism for a certain part of the male anatomy.
@@wmbrown6 But it still doesn't make it OK, don't you agree
@@FuzzyMemoriesTV NO because their jobs ,and good living was far more important than helping helpless girls , many under age god it makes you feel s good , me absolutely disgusting simple
Coleen is correct. We can learn from it to understand how grooming happens.Steve Coogan is brilliant
Surely these Loose Women should have made a point of watching it before they make opinions about it. As journalist the fact that several said “oooh, I couldn’t watch it” is pretty pathetic. Not only was “the Reckoning” treated very sensitively it supported the victims, it certainly was a brilliant performance by Steve Coogan whose voice and mannerisms were so believable. As Coleen said and indeed as Steve said about his portrayal it isn’t something that should be hidden under the carpet and should help us learn from it. A documentary style drew us in and in part explained how it happened. Just as “Partygate” did last week which was also disgusting.
I agree but I need to point out that only one of them is actually a journalist.
Yes and all the BBC knew what was going on as well and just ignored it
@@anniechap Are you saying its informative , an education? because I do agree, I suppose turning it into a comedy is also an eye opener
@@pjmoseley243 What is a comedy about The Reckoning? I think you have got your roads crossed there. It certainly isn’t making me laugh.
King Charles, BBC, Maggie, Edwina Currie, police, Mountbatten all took part in Sir Jimmy's life. Dont forget.
Why do you refer to him as Sir Jimmy.??
Esther Rantzen too! Childline, anyone?
@@mozartsmate6358 The establishment gave him a knighthood. They bestowed it on him, not me.
@@andrewoliver8930 It was rightly removed..
Yes very true
Victims were heavily involved in this drama, I wouldn't call it entertinment. I had a bad experience with a local dj and when I reported it, the police acted as if I was a time waster. Years later I reported it again in the hope I'd be taken seriously. As there were no other complaints and he had died, nothing came of it. I don't believe for a minute I was the only one.
After an experience with the police only in May, I truly believe you weren’t the only one. Luckily the GLA’s Victim’s Commissioner suggested I make a complaint about the Met after I found station guidance published stating the appropriate expectations to be follow d following even the “perception” of abuse. We are in 2023 and this to me proves that when the status of the abuser could have reputation repercussions then it is still intentionally swept under the proverbial carpet. Luckily NOW EVERYTHING CAN BE RECORDED and FOI/SARS can be submitted to hold thes supposed ‘watchdogs’ to account for being lousy at protecting us.
Oh and in my youth, I even did a Sunday Times Fun Run which “starred” Savile. Creepers are everywhere.
Sad.Schindler's list is a dramatization of real events and is also one of the most important movies ever made.If you don't want to watch for personal reasons,fine. But this stuff should never leave our conscience,so we ensure it never happens again
Yes well done Steve the brave This would have stopped the Germans 😂
It will happen again and again. This behaviour doesn’t go away. What we must demand is transparency from those organisations at the top. Also people need to keep their eyes open and listen if children say something alarming. That’s what has been missing in the past, and all because of fear. Fear of authority.
@sharonramsey715 adults feel fear also they are hedebound, don't like to cause a fuss, don't want to get involved, are embarrassed etc. This drama shows how respectable people can be involved in evil.
@@guickdotto4552 and while people feel fear nothing will ever change. Do you think the rest others don’t feel fear, of course they do but, they still look at things and take action.
@@guickdotto4552 it’s the respectable people who concern me. Prince Andrew, Rolf Harris, Boris Johnson, Ted Heath, Imran Khan, Cyril Smith and the list of what was considered respectable people. Worrying isn’t it. All these good people playing in dark corners. The rest are to busy shining their own egos to worry about anything else.
As a society we MUST educate ourselves on the behaviour of these types of abusive predatory people. Our reluctance to do so will only see more people getting hurt.
Steve Coogan was sublime in his portrayal.
By god what an outstanding performance by Steve Coogan he really is a brilliant brilliant actor
Brilliant amount of money for it as well
How much, being that you're the expert, apparently? @@millwallholdings
@@Houdini2323 More than your ever have thats for sure
Do you mean ‘you’ll ever have, that’s for sure’? Without answering the question, and missing the point, again. Carry on sounding thick.
@@Houdini2323don't waste your words my friend. Totally agree Coogan is brilliant
It wasn’t about knowing more about jimmy savile, it was about looking at how he could hide in plain sight and about the victims.
I watched the BBC discuss this with a survivor. Before I heard her speak I really didn’t feel it should be on. However, listening to the survivor she asked that we should. So, I decided that I would. I’m glad I did. Perhaps it might help …it was powerful. It might open our eyes to see what’s in front of us.
Agree 100%
Porter could barely watch it as she was guilty for doing nothing!
Oh yes what did you expect her to do No One Would Have Listened To Her She would have been kicked out of her name blackand that would have been It No one cared. That is Why he got away with it
The series is staggeringly brilliant. Steve Coogan deserves every award going for his astounding portrayal.
It's everything its pre-emptive critics sneered that it couldn't be. Take no notice of the nonsense spouted by Porter and others.
Porter and Rantzen covered themselves. Rantzen is a very, very nasty person, a hard-faced cow that demands people make way for her
Why is it nonsense what Porter is saying????
@@TheGenremanshe makes it about her. The film educates and increases awareness about how grooming and predators work. It’s done in support of the victims and with their input. It highlights the failures that existed at the time and could still exist today
You are kidding me😂😂😂 talk about tame !!
@@TheGenreman Because she witters on about preferring a documentary, perhaps forgetting at her great age that there have been umpteen of those already.
Coogan's performance illustrates brilliantly how malevolent and very clever lying and manipulation works
Colleen made this point brilliantly after Porter's nonsense.
I remember visiting an art shop that had some of Rolf Harris's work for sale when he was being investigated. I told the owner that I was surprised to see it still on display. She rounded on me and said "it's all nonsense, he's done nothing wrong". People are so seduced by fame.
Five days after he was convicted I found two of his books about painting in Waterstones! I even saw an employee not react to it when they put new books on the same shelf it was on.
It was really hard to watch but Steve Coogan is amazing, the voice, mannerisms, there have been so many documentaries this brings it to life!
Exactly what I thought
He has a show where he does impressions with Rob Brydon that's really good so it's no surprise to me
It must have been such a difficult thing for him to take on because of the significance of the man in this country. It could have gone either way for him. Not someone I’ve ever watched before but truly incredible in this
Some of these celebrities make me sick, I bet a lot of them wouldn’t say anything if it meant ruining their career. It’s hard to believe now, but Jimmy Saville was a very popular and important figure within the BBC.
He was popular with Royalty, politicians, charities etc.
No investigation so far.
@@andrewoliver8930exactly!
I remember hearing that a number of newspapers were approached with allegations about Saville, but they refused to publish, not because the allegations weren't believed, but because the editors were afraid that the story would be "unpopular", as Saville was such a revered figure at the time. In other words, they feared that even if it was true, the readers would shoot the messenger and it would hit newspaper sales.
A lot were probably involved as well.
birds of a feather flock together…….
Weird how someone on the panel worked with Saville and gets a free pass but the anonymous men who also worked with Jimmy Saville are the ones that enabled him.
When you say men knew so did a lot of woman. Esther rantzen springs to mind and she had some power.
I had a male friend for years who had a very responsible job for which an enhanced DBS report was needed, he was the epitome of respectability. I trusted him implicitly, would have staked my life that he was one of the good guys. Then one day, out of the blue, he was arrested, charged and prosecuted. Everyone who knew him including me, were absolutely floored. The person we trusted implicitly was an abuser. So, don’t just assume people turn a blind eye or, they are involved themselves. It’s true what they say, In plain sight 😡
@debrastacey3718 I have worked with offenders so don't you assume I have no understanding. People knew and did nothing. If this hurts your feelings tough.
@debrastacey3718 also at no stage did I say they were involved get your facts right.Because you didn't pick up on the person others might have.
Janet dropping facts. She knows more than she lets on too.
she was roasted back on BBC question time by members of the audience when savile was exposed
@@nikreece6295 .. Yes they should all get roasted because they all knew. But as always ‘lessons will be learned’ although they never are.
I think that's what was painful for her about this dramatisation. It's easy for her to blame others, but if she was also aware of what was going on, she should have spoke up at the time. A bit late in the day to be crowing about the wrong 'un 40 years after the fact. She said it herself, she was an executive at the time. (She likes to remind us of that). She was in that room.
The actor that played Saville played him perfectly
It was difficult to watch but had to watch it although it made my skin crawl
So many knew about it n said not a word
I bet he felt a bit of shame playing it
@@phillipcarter8045Are you kidding?? He’s a woke actor. I LOVE partridge but Coogan is woke slime
@@gunsharck I've heard he's woke, but not heard why. What has he said/done that is woke?
@@gunsharckI would like to know what he has done to be called woke.
the actor. um are you new to this
So they're talking about a programme that none of them watched. Excellent research.
Just what I was saying.
I've been dying to know what the Loose Women thought about this show. It was even more insightful to discover that half of the panel didn't bother to watch it.
It’s cos at least half of them knew what he was doing at the time and did nothing. And they know what’s other people are doing or did and still they do nothing.
There are countless dramas and documentaries featuring the most vile serial killers, notably Ted Bundy; nobody seems to mind that, so why all the fuss about another programme about Savile? The final episode in particular was immensely powerful and did offer a viewpoint not covered before. The testimonies of the victims were heartbreaking, and the stories just as shocking as they were 11 years ago, when the truth finally came out. Coogan was totally convincing in his portrayal of Savile, and should be at least nominated for a BAFTA.
Also psyops. See Miles Mathis, or Fakeologist.
Totally agree.
savile was from the uk, a lot of people had encounters with him so of course it’s going to hit closer to home than a documentary about ted bundy from the US
Snowflakes and weak people will be outraged at this but it had to be done. You have to applaud Steve Coogan for having the guts to take that job
Exactly. A lot more people are going to watch a drama than a documentary so a sensitive drama is as good as a sensitive documentary. Also, I don’t believe Coogan would have taken the job if the show was going to sensationalise Savile.
It's simple them people don't have to watch it Lol
The same outraged people have probably watched crime documentaries but won't admit it.
Understandable young people getting the creep but them that are long in the tooth .They were part of the scene they knew what was what and look the type to have kept stumb just same as everyone else. They have aged and fell out of touch with it all .Either that or they were never there in the first place.Different days different time but as they know its all over now .They need to take a look at now and then when they would have had their daysame days that they boogied on down to .Best wishes
Why did it 'have to be done'. Did every single one of the hundreds of known victims give their approval? I just believe Savile is a very uninteresting subject. He was and will be remembered as a vile individual. Nothing would prompt me to watch this.
It's about reaching as many people as possible, raising as much awareness as possible. Great acting.
Steve Coogan’s performance as Saville is genius. I remember Saville well, and Coogan’s performance was brilliant.
Johnny rotten knew but no one listened to him
The best programme I have seen in years. 1, because of Steve Coogan, and 2 because it exposed the establishment.
Was it made by the BBC? Did they except the blame too?
No, it was made by ITV Studios. Do you mean 'accept'? Perhaps watch it before sounding so thick. @@seanpittaway5341
@@seanpittaway5341It was made by ITV. Couldn’t be impartial if made by the BBC.
It was not easy watching and was never going to be , but it was compelling watching. Steve plays a brilliant part and should be applauded for taking this role on , Its our choice to watch or not to watch , don't watch and complain about the subject.
Who do you think you are? It's your choice not pay attention to comments for or against, it is not your choice if people choose to complain.
It was not 'compelling' watching; I felt guilty watching this dramatisation of this evil man and his doings, and I stopped watching it. Whether the lead actor is 'brilliant' or not is irrelevant; he should have had noting to do with it.
I binge watched it on iPlayer , I live very close to Roundhay Park in Leeds and saw him running there on numerous occasions, I also am X police and now 64 years old so it all happened in my lifetime , like any depraved individual who has their lifecrimes made into TV /movie viewing , we watch out of morbid curiosity and I think Steve Coogan did the drama justice , he gave me the chills and the voice was so accurate it was uncanny .
@lilaspastia1 I don't understand why you felt guilty watching it.
@@NickJames-vh7dl Well, I'll tell you. I felt extremely uncomfortable at being 'entertained' by the story of this atrocious individual. There is nothing entertaining about it, and I have no idea what the BBC were thinking of when they decided to make this series. I had in mind the fact that this man's victims could never wish to have what he did to them being turned into a work of drama. I have no objection to documentaries, because they inform us. There might have been some justification for this venture if we learnt something new about this man, but even the makers cannot claim this. So, what's the point of it? Purely out of respect for this man's many victims this should never have been made. To have been abused - and then to have it re-enacted for entertainment? Never.
First time I’ve ever agreed with Colleen.
She would frighten a police horse.
The actress playing Thatcher has got her voice and mannerisms spot on.
Fenella Woolgar.
She plays a midwife in "Call the Midwife" - great actress
I think, first of all, the fact that there are victims involved with this drama-documentary makes me supportive of this. Anything that focuses on the victims rather than the perpetrator will always have my support.
Secondly, if you want a great true-crime drama that does not focus on the criminal and does not feature the crime is 'The Investigation', a Danish-Swedish drama series about how the murderer of journalist Kim Wall was brought to justice.
Being someone who has been abused, I am glad this show was made, it continues to remind the public of powerful people who can manipulate and control others into turning a blind eye to what is happening in plain sight. Coogan is great in this role and Jimmy's abuses are never thankfully directly seen. I do get annoyed with cheap BBC jibes and it took courage for them to show it (ITV were just too worried about the nay sayers). Jimmy didn't fool anyone, everyone knew he was weird, but millions he raised did not only for him but to us, gave him the permission to continue. The other issue is he is not unique or something of the past, there are numerous politicians that got away with doing the same and still do to this day.
Coogan is outstanding. It will be remembered as his career highlight. And you have to make these shows - the victims story deserve to be told. As well as the fact that there were some good people out there trying to stop him
Agree. He is brilliant in this.
Yes indeed. One of the finest acting performances I have ever seen in my life. If Coogan hadn’t nailed this as superbly as he did, it could have been disastrous.
Shows the quality of the actor as he also played Stan Laurel, couldn't be more different! @@colcocon6021
Sounded like Alan partridge now and again but superbly well acted
@@karenjohnson2720No, he sounded like jimmy savile!, infact, he was so good in the role!. He was eerily realistic!. Listen to Alan Partridge, it’s a completely different voice really!
Imagine Ruth not even willing to watch it when she's reporting in it. Poor
What angers me the most about Savile's case is the fact that nobody else has been accused of anything and some people at the BBC had to be complicit.
Totally agree what he was doing was widely accepted by female and male colleagues who were enabling him to continue for decades
You didn't actually watch it then?
@@Houdini2323 I haven't watched the series but I have watched the Netflix documentary. I have never heard any other name besides his. Is there something new?
Nothing 'new', but if you'd actually bothered to watch the series you'd be aware of associated convictions which occurred as a direct result of investigations into him, as well as the complicity of figures at the BBC. Why make assumptions about something you haven't watched? @@jeniestra.
@@Houdini2323 I'm not making any assumptions, where do I state that my opinion is based on the series?
Coleen makes the best point. We should watch it. It can only help us identify the predators.
Go to Bradford, Oxford, Telford, wakefield, Rotherham. Plenty of grooming gangs up there
@@angelaregan475 You missed out the Royal Family, The Catholic Church, Every working class white neighbourhood
Don't be ignorant about where you expect to find these people, you ultimately hurt the missed victims if you let your prejudices guide your opinion on this.
@@pppp67567 But your biased prejudices wont i suppose
@@MJGLoveThe Royal Family why? Also you missed out every middle class white neighbourhood
This series is very hard to watch, though Steve Coogan is incredible - he disappears and you just see Saville, in all his nightmarish unpleasantness.
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Colleen hit the nail on the head: we need dramas like this to remind us that there are still other Jimmy Saviles out there. It’s remarkable how people ask ‘how did Savile get away with it?’ Exactly how some celebrities are still getting away with abusive behaviour: because they can. If you’re a star you wield power. You become a meal ticket for so many people and therefore TV bosses, record companies, Movie Moguls etc will do everything within their power to protect the star and that includes brushing away allegations of egregious behaviour. Once we stop putting people on pedestals and bringing them to account for their behaviour then you eradicate the problem. What was interesting about the drama was that it kind of implied that the net was closing in on Savile before he died. It still makes one wonder if he’d have lived another, say 5 years, if the climate would have changed enough for victims to come forward. Sadly, I think it needed Savile to die first. Unlike many abusers, Savile wielded so much power, particularly because of his Royal connections, I believe this was one of the reasons he was never caught. He had too many people of power and influence in his pocket.
I remember seeing Colleen with Saville hugging her when she was a young teenager on Top of the Pops, and how uncomfortable she looked
@@kerryhart9636 She also said that he propositioned her, but nothing happened.
Moose women.
Being aware is the first step to dealing with these dark sides of the human psyche !! Brushing it under the carpet is the reason why the Savilles of this world get away with it !!! 🙏 God Bless 🙏❤
@@456coolkid1because her sisters would not let her, great sisters they are
I was very reluctant to watch this until I saw the interview one of the victims gave with Steve Coogan who was so supportive and respectful, I was completely reassured that although this was going to be a very tough watch for me I wanted to see it out of respect for their strength and bravery in taking part in something that must have been so painful to make.
i felt very sick watching it...but well done steve coogan for acting the part of js...i do really hope it encourages ladies and young girls/boys to come forward as soon as you think you feel your under threat! or being abused!..js men need to be stopped.
Stunning bit of television .. story needs to be told
People should definitely be watching this so no one forgets what a predator does with so much power, this must never be allowed to happen again regardless of someone having powerful friends if it wasn't for reporters this would never have come to light, the police lost evidence time and time again when Jimmy was reported, Steve Coogan did a brilliant job portraying this monster on screen, well done Steve .
I used to talk to Jimmy Savile a lot at a club i used to go to called Beat city in Manchester.this was when he was just starting out...His side kick was Ray terret. I never saw anything untoward about JImmy. Just goes to show how good these sort people are at putting on a front.Every parent should try their best to teach their children to be aware of predaters and make them understand how manipultive they are. There are lots of Jimmys out there im sorry to say. Take care... .
His doormen at the Manchester discos were ex concentration camp guards!!!!
What we have to understand is that child abuse still goes on. It’s in a lot of households, schools, groups and clubs. We can’t and shouldn’t hide it because it’s not going to go away! Parents need to be so aware of people like ‘good ole Jimmy!’ And also we are now aware of women who groom too! Let’s never forget these lessons! These beasts need locking up!
And it should apply to the grooming gangs that to this day have not been stopped!
@@patking754completely agree! It’s all going on right under our noses! These people should not get away with it!
Don't forget drag queen story hour too
I do agree with you.
There is still plenty and always way still too much happening every where with n the authorities and behind every business, homes , schools and social services, care homes any where and every where.
God help us all
You mean like "Good ol Russ" Yeah lessons have been learnt for sure, LOL All his demented followers calling the women "Liars and all sorts, Lesson learnt Coogan is no angel himself
Janet Street Porter said it straight when she said the 'bosses' knew what was going on, and ignored Saville's behaviour. I am not interested in seeing a drama about Saville - I would like to see a drama about how his bosses turned a blind eye to what Saville was doing.
That's exactly what you see in this drama.??
What on Earth do you think this drama is about? Watch it before dismissing it.
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Derr...
She new as she said everyone new, please don’t praise her.
It was right on so many levels. There were things brought up that I was unaware of and clearly appalled by. More importantly, though, the younger generation who didn't know him will be given the strength to speak up if it is happening to them. Very well acted, whilst disturbing.
Steve Coogan IS absolutely brilliant
It adds so much, if you can’t see this point then we allow these things to possibly to happen, I was relived to hear Colleen say this. I’m astonished The Guardian newspaper and many others miss this point. Be aware, be vigilant, the drama is part of that education.
All abusers should be named and shamed, the proceeds of should go towards the victims and their recovery. As a survivor of abuse, I at 56 am currently in treatment, it stops with us for the rest of our lives!!
steve coogan has mastered the real saville, what a superb actor ! .
I met him in Stoke Mandeville a few times in the eighties and knew immediately that the was an evil man!
I know a man who met him, he said the same. He said he was vile.
@@carladean6117 I know! And I love your Davie Bowie!
@@luisa9501 thanks ☺️
Steve coogan was absolutely outstanding 👏
Steve Coogan is immense as Saville. The voice and mannerisms walk etc. Top drawer acting
What I found interesting in this was Savile constantly asking managers, agents, press people even his own mother what people were 'saying about him'. He must've been amazed and delighted that the lid was never blown off this mess in his lifetime.
You do know this is a story don't you? It's a work of fiction based on alleged events not a documentary or historical record.
That's drivel.
It is based on witness accounts. You know, the 'real' people who appeared on the programme? Plus extensive research by author Dan Davies and input from Beryl Hullighan who worked in the hospital. You didn't watch it, that's fine
I think true crimes drama should be told no matter how gruesome it is
It's extraordinary and important television. If you'd done your research you'd know that there was a major Netflix documentary released earlier this year.
Imagine the pressure on coogans shoulders everyday while filming this. His performance was sheer class in every way
Easily the best performance of Steve Coogans career and arguably one of the greatest performances on British Television in quite some time. His resemblance too Savile is so real it’s uncanny
I feel the most important element of this drama is the inclusion of the real people whose encounters with Savile are portrayed! Finally, after so many years of holding their experiences in, for fear of not being believed, they are being told and shown and all are believed - which must be so cathartic for them! I celebrate that fact and hope their futures are much happier because of it.
What about his involvement with politicians and Charles, are these mentioned in the drama?
Coogan performs brilliantly in this story.
This little clip has reminded me life is way too short for Loose Women.
How can you have a discussion about something when two of you haven’t even watched it!?
Colleen nailed it 👌. Coogan gave the performance of a lifetime. Absolute career best. Creepy, chilling, terrifying and repulsive. There are numerous Saville documentaries, Coogan has created something unique with his incredible characterisation of Savile. This was an important story that needed to be told. Coogan and the team have accomplished this.
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How come Louis Theroux's two documentaries on Jimmy Saville some years ago didn't show up any of this?
That would be giving him credit for his work.
they all knew and condoned it and when the little people flagged this monster up...THEY were the ones who got fired or ignored THE BBC KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING 100%
Amazing 11 years ago ruth was promoting Jimmy on this morning talking to his niece while Eamon was putting on savile voice when he read out jimmys book title "Hows about that then"
If Janet knew at the time why didn't she speak out
Who would have believed her?
Same reason as everyone else ,fear because of the power he had.
Cos she's a hypocrite...
She could have called Esther Rantzen at Childline....oh, wait.
Money
Like Joanna, I ended up watching 3 in row. So powerful and Steve Coogan deserves a bafta or something for his portrayal of Savile, he was outstanding!
What irked me about it was that the people at the top of the BBC seemed to be presented as naive people who didn’t realise the extent of what was goi g on, whereas it’s been made clear over the years that many of the powers that be at the BBC not only knew, but knowingly turned a blind eye. They enabled him, and were complicit in many of his crimes. It’s not enough to say “oh, he was such a clever and manipulative man who had as all fooled” when the people that could have stopped it WEREN’T fooled. They just turned a blind eye because he was making them lots of money.
it was Janet Street Porter who John Lydon told about Saville's "all sorts of sleaziness" in an interview walking down the street bout 1979? Ive seen the interview on YT, though just had another search and its disappeared.
Yes...Internet which we were led to believe everything on it stays on😅. No it don't, you can cherry pick off embarrassing videos with the right know how.😅😅😅 don't believe the hype.
No it wasn't. The journalist was Viven Goldman
@@torp7215 Please upload. I just watched a 1978 video of Janet Street Porter with Lydon. Heard nothing.
@@nasdkhan254 If you put "John Lydon interview 1978" in YT this is the interview with JSP wheres hes wearing a top hat. The bit about JS is no longer in, he actually says to JSP "your the BBc so this will be edited" SO he said it in two interviews around the same time. ....BTW he looks fantastic in the top hat proper Dickensian.
@@desertdocker OK. Only problem is Jsp was doing a show for itv called London weekend show
it would have been better for netflix to do it, the bbc has too much blood on it’s hands with the years of coverups.
Made by ITV but shown on BBC
BBC should be blame for the cover up and prosecuted for it .
@@squidssvidsTV😅😅😅
well said , they new what was going on, corrupt BBC, 👍
To be fair to the BBC, they could have continued to sweep the whole Jimmy Saville thing under the rug but it says a lot about them holding to their written values of "inform" to actually be ballsy enough broadcast a dramatised version of an event that is a permanent scarlet letter on their reputation.
People woul do well to remember that Kier Starmer was the head of the CPS when they refused to prosecute JS after several women came forward and made substantial complaints that should have been upheld.
Steve Coogan’s portrayal of him was spot on it was spooky how much he sounded like him.
JS is only one aspect, what about the machine that protected him, and why? What did he have on the people who kept him there?
Yes it needs to be shown. We know the atrocities he committed but not his cunning methods.He was a master manipulator who ran rings round adults and kids. In between that bon viveur persona he had that chilling, threatening cold demeanour too which he would let out as a warning if people questioned him.These are traits we need to learn about if we want to protect or be protected from.
Same could be said about films like Schindlers List. Ruth's argument is "its despicable I don't want to see it" but it's kind of naive. People still watch movies like Schindlers List despite some of the scenes being incredibly difficult to watch
If this is factual correct then people did know and still did nothing! We have made money king and aslong as that is the case things like this will always happen and this program will change nothing
@@seanpittaway5341obviously it won't change anything. 99% of humans ate hardwired to be bystanders if it affects them somehow.
For example what if you report the bully at work and get sacked yourself because the manager is mates with the person you're reporting. What if you report the bully at school and then they all turn on you?
Once the company is in the newspapers being shamed then all of a sudden everyone starts virtue signalling on social media how horrible the bully is and how they feel for the victims. Nobody will do anything about the "many others" bullying people. This type of thing just repeats all the time in a cycle of bystanding and virtue signalling. It will be forgotten in a few months just like when everyone changed their Facebook profiles to Paris as a "sign of respect". People carry on with their lives until something else happens then act like they care or would intervene if something bad was happening
What I am talking about extends far wider than just virtue signalling "creepy" people. It's the reason why bullying still exists, why mass shootings still happen, why war still happens etc etc. War is despicable but I don't see anyone commenting on youtube jumping into the battlefield in Ukraine to save everyone. Instead it's just virtue signalling from their bedrooms because that aligns with whatever the current mass view of the month is. There is no point saying "so they knew and supported it. Disgusting" years after it happened. We knew that as it was coming out. It doesn't do anything to make victims happier and nor does it prevent any new victims appearing if another "Saville" is uncovered
People put their careers first before the safety of a child inexcusable and unforgivable.
I disagree with Ruth, a drama does not always have to be entertainment. Steve Coogan’s performance is superb but not at all entertaining, being a realistic and chilling portrayal of Savile.
I met Savile in 1985 when I was a nurse in Leeds. He made my flesh crawl and was not popular amongst staff, but not for a minute did anyone suspect what was happening. He raised so much money for charity - including NHS ones - that he was given carte blanche to come and go as he wished at the hospitals. He was seen as an eccentric.
This is an important drama which shows the way in which he committed his crimes in plain sight whilst being feted by the British establishment. That must never be forgotten. Can I also say that Gemma Jones’ performance as his mother was excellent. A very understated performance which showed the very complex relationship the two had.
It wasn't just men who knew what he was up to. However, this does not excuse anyone, especially in authority, who turned a blind eye or even endorsed his behaviour. Its not just within the BBC but many hospitals where he was given free reign. It does not look good for the whole "Establishment" that someone so evil was given a Knighthood which comes from the very top!
It certainly was not 'entertainment' I think a well written, brilliantly performed drama can bring a greater understanding of how this national disgrace happened, this is what is great dramas can do, to hold the mirror up, even uncomfortable subjects and this did this so brilliantly.