Do Car Drivers Hate Cyclists?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Hello, welcome back!
Remember to Like, Comment and Subscribe.
Follow Me
Instagram:
/ dave_noakes
Strava
/ strava
Thanks to Giro Sport Design for keep my feet comfortable and head safe!
www.giro.com
Thanks to Juice Lubes for keeping my bikes clean.
juicelubes.com
Thanks to Saris for keep my wheels spinning inside!
saris.com/
Thanks to Goodyear for the awesome tyres!
www.goodyearbi...
Thanks to Marin for the mind blowing bikes!
www.marinbikes...
Thanks to Stayer for the sick wheels!
www.stayercycl...
Thanks to Quad Lock for the best mounts!
www.quadlockca...
Code: 6UQYBOB4K7U7QW78
Since i started cycling I became a lot more chilled when driving / being held up. Often angry drivers have other issues in their lives, cycling would help them cope with that ironically.
I agree. Maybe that’s why I’m a patient driver…I’ve been a cyclist for so long.
They hate themselves and they take it out on anything in "their" way.
😂 seems like it with some drivers
I think many drivers are actually just not confident overtaking cyclists safely so they get stressed out. Might start dressing as a horse see if that helps.
I think the internet is just angry in general. Politics, Sports , cyclist and drivers...everyone is just trying to let out some frustration on whatever is directly in front of them at the time. We can't let that stuff in, we just keep our heads down and focused on the things that make us happy.
Well said
It's never an issue here in France, most drivers fully respect cyclists because it's a country that has a true cycling culture. I love England though...
I was wondering what it’s like in other countries. Thanks for sharing.
In the U.S., I'm a regular cycling commuter, but was driving to work the other day. I found myself grumbling about a cyclist I saw. Usually I'm very supportive, but he was the type that gives everyone a bad name.
He was weaving back and forth between going with and against traffic on what is usually a busy road. It was around dawn, no lights, helmet or anything that would be deemed safety eqpt.
I teach a small cycling group at a school and I always say that when working with traffic you need people to see you, then you need to be predictable. If not, then they don't know how to respond to you and that increases stress levels for the drivers.
They are of most risk to themselves. What is crazy is branding all the same. Most motorists are fine but around one in ten put all cyclists at risk. Could be a variety of reasons including impatience, boy racing, lack of empathy and awareness, not just hating cyclists.
When someone uses a blanket statement like "I hate cyclists, or, I hate drivers" they are the problem.
As someone who has been cycling since the age of 8, I can safely say that drivers just see cyclists as another obstacle to get around to make their journey faster, they don't see a human being, they just see an obstacle.
Exactly!!!!!
A lot of people in America associate bike riders to being too poor to afford a car and will be shitty to them .
Cycling is the greatest invention ever
I was wondering about this point myself, but I'm in the UK. Do some drivers see a cyclist (especially if they're not in all the fancy gear), as lower class as they choose a cheaper mode of transport?
Cycling around roads in West Midlands, we have busy roads and lovely country roads. Main issue with drivers is they trying to get everywhere at warp speed. Since I’ve been cycling for last 10 years, I’ve changed my own attitude towards driving from a stress head to we will get there safely first. I always pull over and let motorist past but the recent overhaul of the Highway Code seems to have lit the blue torch paper. There’s enough roads/ space for all of us, the older generation need to chill the hell out as they are by far the worst of the lot😅
Well said, I have to agree with you there.
"When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." I don't know who said it but it explains it pretty well imho.. speaking from the perspective as a every day cyclist in Germany. Car country.. as we call it ourselves. Cities, infrastructure, markets and commerce and in the end mentality build for cars for years and years. Public space is for everyone. But cyclists now taking space away, how dare they! Or so it feels like for the car people. It's just a lot of frustration and cyclists are an easy trigger. I'm pretty sure most of the car folks don't even now what they are angry about..
I had a work mate who told me that bikes should stay off the roads because the roads were for cars. I replied WHAT? First came the foot paths, then the horse and buggy, then the polluting cars followed. I told him roads were to transport people. In which he had no response too. I guess I won that debate! I just did a quick search and found this, and no It wasn't lost and I just found it. German Inventor Karl von Drais is credited with developing the first bicycle. His machine, known as the "swiftwalker," hit the road in 1817. This early bicycle had no pedals, and its frame was a wooden beam. The device had two wooden wheels with iron rims and leather-covered tires.
People had a weird perspective
40 years of going out 3 times a week (early start done by 10.30), never had a problem until around 2016-17 when all of a sudden group rides seemed to start being everywhere. All over the road, strung out pack mentality weekend warriors of varying talent. I noticed car drivers becoming less respectful and more hostile. I just mtb and cyclocross now
Out with concussion/TBI for 6 weeks after being hit by car…daylight, orange kit, flashing back light..in bike line approaching intersection with green light and she overtook and turned right in front with me at 25mph…distraction
As a Transit Driver and cyclist here! I'll answer your question a little...
I don't know what you call them in the UK, but here in Canada a regular license is called G class (here in Ontario anyways). G license drivers become complacent and get inconsiderate very quickly. Hell, I was guilty of that before driving professionally. Basic license drivers don't look further than the car ahead of them and are stupid/nasty to each other/everyone.. To be honest they barely adhere to the Highway Traffic Act at all, especially drivers that have had their license for a long time.
I have been in 3 accidents none of them my fault already (strangely around Christmas) driving transit. Last January a fellow driver took me out while driving my personal vehicle while driving to work. I am lucky I walked away with some bruising.
Consider this. I have to renew my license every 5 years and I am up for it in 2024. Here in Canada we forget driving is a PRIVILEGE not a right. If it was up to me drivers with a basic license would write the written aspect of the HTA every few years.
As Transit Driver my worst NIGHTMARE is to hurt ANYONE, wether it be a pedestrian, cyclist or motorist. Every shift I am cut off by another motorists at least 10-12 times a shift. I also have to contend with pedestrians not following walk signs and passengers thinking you're the Google search engine...
I've never had cyclist draft off me like you mentioned earlier. Here in Canada a cyclist can be charged under the our highway traffic act. It takes at least 3 times the stopping distance to make a complete stop in a bus. Consider I have passengers standing on board while traveling the near speed limit. Everyone out there DON'T draft a bus physics WILL WIN. Also we have cameras that surround the vehicle in operation.
I live in a rural area and I notice some road cyclist group riders make their own rules up on the road (there probably G license drivers as well). When I ride my bike I always think I will always lose to physics when riding with automobiles despite being in the "Right of Way".
To any Cyclist who drives or Drivers who cycle. When was the last time you reviewed your Highway Traffic Act?
That being said... Be safe everyone!
Gravel Bikes are Great! I don't have to stick to the roads!
Many drivers hate everyone else who uses the road, including other drivers.
I cycle, I motorcycle, I drive - the different ways I'm treated when using the roads in those 3 ways is a joy to behold!
I wouldn't worry I'm a bus driver and a cyclist, I'm possibly the most hated person in the world 😊
😂😂😂
No, cyclists and pedestrians are the most hated. Well, some people just hate for no reason whatsoever.
I'm lucky to have mainly countryside riding. Most of time given plenty of room. But get lots of drivers choosing the wrong time to overtake, i.e., approaching a blind bend 🙈
Oh the joys of the countryside and blind bends.
I've been cycling for 6 years now I lost 250 pounds in 6 years and im alot more physically active and energetic cycling saved me from living a sedentary lifestyle and changed my life so much I love cycling I would rather be cycling than driving there is alot of hate not every where but the ones who hate are the ones who are sedentary and driving around eating fast food drinking and driving texting and driving eating and driving and having other people's approval that's why obesity is not only getting worse but the mental state as well those are the people who hate 💯
I saw that post and I was on that road earlier that day... And I was a lot closer to the bus than that guy. But like you say, buses have brake lights, I'm not looking down, I'm looking at them
Very true, some people don’t get it.
it's the same here in Western Canada. I think people are generally uber stressed out these days. People in cars "who are easily triggered" most likely have some legit issues in their lives that they aren't dealing with LOL. You can't have this conversation where I live with the people who are triggered by it because they generally can't think rationally. My best explanation is that most of us look good (in our kit), and we definitely look happy (most of the time) while riding and this pisses people off LOL.
Thanks for commenting
It's not drivers or cyclists really I think. My Dad once said to me when I was trying to work out the perspective of a colleague 'Son, some people are just thick'.
From that point onwards I've just let people get on with it, there's no point spending your limited time on this earth worry about hate or something you have zero impact in controlling. Spend your time on what you can control
The other day while on my bike, I pulled over on a narrow bit of road to let a car past. He hooted and shouted abuse as he came by. When I caught up with him at the lights, I politely enquired as to what his issue was. Turns out he was unhappy that I'd let him past when he was quite happy to continue hanging back behind me through the narrow bit. I offered him a medal for his kindness and consideration and apologised for being courteous myself.
When I am cycling on a country road I just pull over and let the cars go past. Take the opportunity to rest my sit bones!
Its seems to be the media and lots of people who have nothing better to do with time on their hands.
If some folk aren't moaning then they aren't happy.
I agree with you Terry.
I choose to ride on quiet country lane routes as much as poss. I have noticed more cars using them more of late as rat runs. Shame cause I use them to get away from vehicles as much as possible for reasons you’re discussing.
Very much in the same boat.
Might be a good idea if it was compulsory for leaner/provisional drivers to ride bikes for 3 months as part of passing their driving test.
I think so
One of the reasons I stopped road biking and sold my bikes, least with a gravel or mtb you can avoid the traffic more, but then there's the other problem, not enough bridleways/access for bikes (in our area anyway) plenty of unused, overgrown or ploughed up/planted footpaths though that your not allowed to use! 🙄
Hello Dave great debate. I drive and ride a bike. Every time I go out for a ride I can count 2 or 3 times I nearly get pushed off the road off car drivers. It’s getting worse on the roads lately, in my opinion the majority of the time it is older people that deliberately try to ride as close as possible. There I’ve said it it’s old people that are worse than anybody else. Just my opinion 😁
Worst couple of near misses I've had are with cars towing caravans!
Drivers towing caravans, overtaking and then having to pull in! Literally seen my life flash before me a couple of times.
Me and a friend both 'indicated' to turn right - we were on a fast road, (just crossing over it) and 4 cars just overtook us! It can be extremely intimidating & terrifying!
Don’t get me started on caravans!
I've found that rural drivers are far more laid back about cyclists than those in cities (especially London). I can count on one hand how many adverse encounters I've had on country lanes but would have to take my shoes and socks off to count those in a city (and that's despite 90% of my riding being out in the sticks!). As you suggest though, it doesn't matter what a cyclist does, some drivers just have no patience with them and there's no way you can odds that! I tend to just ignore any toots or hand gestures I get from motorists, which weirdly sometimes makes them even angrier!
In other news, I didn't realise you were from Essex originally (thought you were a London lad). If you, Thomas Martinez and I got together for a video, there wouldn't be a single T uttered (sorry, u'erred!) in the middle of any word! 🤣
social media sucks
Driving is by definition a contest to get from A to B…drivers compete with each other and just view us cyclists as a nuisance and in the way
Here in London it feels like a battle. And to be fair to drivers, that are a lot of crap cyclists, especially the delivery guys on unregulated ebikes. When I drive it can feel like there are cyclists everywhere and it is hard when you have to turn across cycle paths. Too many people and poor infrastructure. In in general, most drivers are ok and most cyclists are ok.
Oh the joys of london traffic. It’s whole different thing world there.
As a cyclist in the US (Midwest/republican state specifically) I've experienced a lot of aggression from drivers. A month ago I was riding around a local airport with no traffic around and this truck coming the opposite direction decided to swerve across the middle of the road towards me. Nearly took me out. That was one of the few instances I actually called the police, who of course did fuck all. I don't understand the cyclist hate, but I definitely understand the aggressive driver hate. Maybe it's just where I live, but I never know if the next vehicle passing will be the one to kill me. Sometimes they throw shit at you, other times they buzz you as close as possible, some will brake check you, some yell at you to get off the (empty) road. It's madness.
What does the political leanings of the state have to do with anything? You think drivers in liberal states love cyclist?
@@goldenretriever6261 conservatives view cyclists as liberal and go out of their way to target them because of it.
And no I'm not saying this is the only reason aggression happens. Rather, there are region specific reasons as well as more generalized reasons. The issue isnt black and white. However, when a diesel truck rolls down their window and calls you a fucking liberal right as they try to coal roll you, the reason is fairly obvious. There has been a trend in southern conservative states to target cyclists this way. Look up the news in Texas for example.
I live in Canada, I'm conservative and experienced the same thing. But I just attest that to them being rural rednecks. But, conservative in Canada is like liberal in The US.
@@goldenretriever6261 yeah, I imagine Canada is a bit different. I think what is happening down here is that some view cyclists as liberals because we are on a bike rather than in a vehicle. I could be wrong, but maybe they think we are riding bikes because of climate change and environmentalism? It's like they are projecting politics onto cycling when really we ride because it's fun and a hobby.
@@JL-ui4zn There's people like that here too. I just assume everyone hates me when I'm on my bike. Even a Subaru Outback driver aggressively honked at me the other day...and I was out in the country. I think the cold weather in Canada makes everyone permanently pissed off.
Manners, rudeness and impatience add up to angry drivers. If all drivers were taught to cycle first they “might” have some empathy, though some are just ar$eh013s so won’t change. It’s a pity, as being a kind empathetic person actually has its rewards. Good subject Noakesey👌
Thank you 🙏🏽
The vast majority of drivers don’t hate/tolerate us cyclist I believe. However if just one per cent do have anger/impatience to us then it can be a problem if we use the road regularly. Riding solo I find is less an issue here in Devon where they can usually get past us. In a group then it can very dangerous as we can be a longer obstacle. I find street furniture in the middle of a road can cause issues as motorists try to get past then cut in to avoid the furniture.
Seem like that’s the case.
As a fellow cyclist Im fairly chilled when driving and meeting up with cyclists. What I do find frustrating is coming across groups of 10 plus cycling along narrow country lanes. Please can cyclists split the group into 6 or less and give motorists a chance to pass. Its kind of thoughtless too other road users to occupy so much road.
"Ive been beat up" 😂😂😂,me too.
😂
For me it tends to be worse on road bike/lycra rides... Riding mtb and wearing baggies etc just doest seem to wind drivers up as much
I believe that drivers who are mean to cyclists, as in passing too close, driving too close, beeping, being rude, are unhappy people. I was walking back form school with my eldest yesterday and heard, then saw, a woman going berserk in her car cos' she missed a go at a traffic light. It would have held her up about 3 minutes! She was acting like it was the end of the world. Deep down I think she is very unhappy and the very minor inconvenience of getting stuck at a traffic light reminders her of that.
I think you’re right.
There is a concentrated effort by the oil and car industries to disparage cycling. We learned in the pandemic that we CAN survive not making a 45-60 minute commute to work. The future is a scary place for non-riding boomers.
It does feel that way sometimes.
In my experience as a cyclist and van delivery driver I can confirm a lot of motorists do in fact hate us. I've heard some frankly worrying things said about cyclists by colleagues. I think the route of the problem is when people are in their car it gives them a sense of power and importance and a comparably slow cyclist in silly lycra is like red rag to a bull! Not only taking up space on the road but slowing them down and obviously doing it all free while the poor driver is paying for the roads, insurance, tax and MOT"s and has you know roads were built for cars 🙄
Cars need to slow down a bit around cyclists and pass at a safe distance. That's all that's needed - not difficult. I'm afraid I do a lot of swearing at cars on every ride because they're too fast and too close.
Everyone is so impatient these days.
My experience is somewhat similar in a rural area, I think drivers in the countryside are more used to things holding them up, ponies, holiday traffic etc... that they're more forgiving. I do find the more "main" roads or urban areas around the town the more they appear "aggressive", passing faster, closer or pulling in sooner. Even then it's probably 1 in 20+ drivers vs practically never in the countryside.
I live in essex and it can be really bad with car driver's. And I am the cyclists who will slip stream a bus or car .
I’m that cyclist too 😂
YES
😂
It’s our freedom to travel freely, same thing pedestrians have with skateboarding we can hop on a bike or board and without any preparation or financial input travel miles freely…it jarres with people
Feels like that’s definitely part of it.
I think there is a lot of hate. A roadie in his early 60’s was killed near me a week or two ago and the comments on the news article were unbelievable about how he shouldn’t have been riding there, how he basically deserved it as bikes shouldn’t be on busy roads, speculation about his poor riding. I don’t know where the lack of compassion comes from. I’ve experience some very deliberate fast close passes too and I think some cu*ts just get a kick out of it.
I do find the comments the most disturbing part
I think the main issue is that the internet makes everyone a keyboard warrior. Social media has made society deeply divisive and you are served up content on some platforms that sadly, make you see more extreme views, which are then perceived as the norm.
It’s like the whole which goes first on a scone, jam or cream? The answer is, it doesn’t matter, but weirdly it generates a reaction.
Sadly, it’s the few cyclists and drivers who are equally to blame for attitudes towards the other. What we all need to do is just calm the **** down and be more tolerant.
Lastly… jam first 😂
I agree with you ask. People love a fight.
Some do
Some do do
It’s not that they hate us it’s that they can’t perceive us as human. Dehumanizing people is the root cause of so much malice
Good point.
Not many people can live by the rule:
Live and let live. It goes both ways. Drivers passing me so close I can smell their armpits through the passing cars closed window.
And cyclists riding in the middle of the road holding up bunch of traffic.
Its simple. When I am driving give me space and I will pass you when safe to do so with enough space.
When Im riding I keep to the side of the road, and if the road is narrow and twisty with no opportunities to overtake after a minute or 2 I will stop on the side and let the cars pass me.
If a cyclist rides the roads with appropriate hand signals then car drivers are okey. If your in front and can see what is ahead then signal cars to pass or hold back. It’s pretty simple and I don’t have any issues even in city riding.
It's weird... I've heard people complain about getting held up by cyclists, but never about red lights, they complain "bikes cause traffic jams and hold ups" yet I've never seen a bike on the motorway, where the traffic is held up frequently... there is no rhyme or reason to it. I reckon a lot of it is cyclists are a readily identifiable target.
One thing that I dislike is the whole language around the subject... "motorists" "cyclists" whatever the term, is dehumanising in nature when the issue is not the mode rather the human. For me the attitude from some people driving motor vehicles is one of either disinterest or entitlement, coupled with carelessness while operating their multi ton steel cage.
In terms of social media... it's a BS place. Written communication is the most difficult and incredibly few people are trained in it and even less are good at it. If you sat down with the people and talked through the issues then let them go away and think about it, I expect you would find the majority a lot more reasonable than their keyboard suggests they are. on social media few are really interested in nothing more than expressing their opinions, like chihuahuas pissing on the local post...
I think this is an etiquette issue. Drivers have been following a certain ’proper’ way of using the road ways. This usually means try to not hold up others around you, also because in a car you’re usually trying to get somewhere quickly, for example work. Driving isn’t a leisure sport, it’s a destination machine. As a biking commuter, I can see paralleled annoyances with being held up for a perceived not necessary hold up. Basically, I believe it’s a mindset issue, which is why it’s so hard to understand. We can’t seem to put ourselves in the others shoes, and even if we can, we use our own biases against the others. Well, I hope this ramble makes some sense, cheers
Very well put. Thank you 🙏🏽
Ride in London and you'll know pure fear! I lost count of times buses and cars pulled out on me for no reason, I don't think that would've happened if I was driving. Thing is, I didn't mind it in the end, it just became part of riding in the city... now I'm back in Essex, people give you so much room it's not even funny... apart from the odd driver, so far, they've all been pretty good!
The trouble is 90% of cyclists are also motorists, but unfortunately not 90% of motorists are cyclists!! I live in Somerset and have a close pass or someone pull out on me most times i go out, infact i find cycling in London far safer than towns in Somerset!!
Same. I've always felt safer cycling in London than I ever did in smaller towns/rural areas.
It is what it is
Like you, im on Devon's roads every day. True about the width of the roads. I understand that 1.5mtrs distance is not always possible here. Got used to close passes, but some clearly make it worse on purpose.
My friend has personally got 80 drivers convicted this year so far 😂😂 Soo easy to upload footage to pc plod now
Damn that’s a lot of convictions!
@Dave Noakes yep! They tell her the outcome via email. One had 6 points and 250.00 fine.
People don't like almost every thing about a cyclist , outfit , skinny wheels , drop bars , being skinny and fit , etc
People suck everywhere and get road rage way too easy. I have been on the receiving end of both hate and help so be careful. More drivers are impatient and in a big hurry and get mad at whatever happens to be bugging them at the moment
😂 some people suck…maybe. Let’s exclude ourselves from that.
Drafting a bus probably isn't a good idea irrespective of the confidence or ability of the cyclist. That said, education rather than hateful comments is the solution. We live in a world severely lacking in empathy so I'm not surprised by the motorists v cyclist narrative which is so prevalent now. We're all just trying to reach our destination safely.
Alot of car drivers are honestly ridiculous, I've only had good interactions with hgv drivers, tractors etc, but cars I've had mostly bad, I was slowly to a red light once and in the middle of the road as I was turning right and a bloke in an orange BMW nearly rammed into back of me because he was speeding and not paying enough attention and proceeded to scream at me for obstructing the road...when it was a red light, I've once even had a guy bump my back wheel due to him being on his phone as I was stopped at a give way due to a fair bit of traffic who was screaming nonsense about me being on the road, stopped in middle of road etc
Hi Dave, whats your giro lid model please? Had mine a few years and need a revamp.... Thanks
It’s the giro Aries I believe.
There’s a reason why it’s called the public highway we should all learn to share it no matter what your in or on
As you can tell but the name I am a truck driver and cyclist so I get a lot of hate just water off a ducks back
Well put. There’s a bus driver/cycling below which you you gets the most hate? 😂
@@DaveNoakes Bus drivers but it’s well deserved. 😜 😂😂😂
Many cyclists are car drivers, and so all car drivers can't hate cyclists! :)
I think the reaction is party about "othering" a different community. There's always a group that is seen as behaving irresponsibly - Sunday drivers, BMW drivers, Audi drivers, white van man, whoever.
And then there's a cultural thing where no-one wants to think that they are a bad driver or do somethings wrong, so they forgive other drivers. There's a feeling that the rules of the road are kinda guidelines - eg no-one sticks rigidly to the speed limit, but they are close enough to not feel bad about speeding. A driver sees another driver go through the lights on amber turning to red and thinks "oh, that was a bit tight mate",. But when it comes to cyclists, if they don't have experience of being there on a bike, the same person seeing a cyclist do it says "bloody cyclists, always running red lights".
People become so irrational when they get behind the wheel if a car. My wife is a lovely person while NOT driving. Operating a vehicle she’s someone else completely.
Drivers have a misguided sense of their rights to the road. It isn't hate , it's ignorance. On the South Devon lanes they drive too fast as they don't appreciate the issues of speed ...having ridden in the Lakes, Hampshire , I have yet to build the confidence to ride in South Devon. They also do not appreciate the fact they have 2.5 tonnes in their favour...if they hit me , they get a dent and what happens to me???
🙏🏽🙏🏽
Yes. Some absolutely do. You know how I know? I get buzzed by one on every ride. And I get a horn on most rides. I get yelled at a lot for being privileged poseur. I see drivers tail cyclists all the time when I'm driving. OR there are people who just don't know how to drive their cars and they get angry at cyclists for forcing them to be careful. Go figure. When I drive, I give cyclist such a wide berth because I KNOW what it's like to worry the entire time that some driver is gonna try to run me off the road---just because.
Thanks for watching/commenting
Not all drivers, but certainly some clearly do. But then these drivers probably hate other car drivers.
And my thoughts are, most people have such simple lives they find the smallest thing to moan about.... If you were seriously ill or at war, Im sure a cyclist, bit of dog poo or having to wait another day for a delivery would pale into insignificance... I have also noticed alot of walkers hate cyclists in my local woods... Its cyclism....
Very true.
I use to live in Colorado in a major college town. And in my experience drivers that are triggered by cyclists tend to be of a conservative political affiliation. They see cyclists as the personification of the other side that they hate with everything they have. I have been hit 4 times, had things thrown at me, been buzzed and crop dusted by big diesel trucks. I was even part of a group ride that got pulled over by cop for riding 2 abreast. And when someone tried to explain to him that it’s legal he started writing tickets. It’s not about us being in the way. It’s about what they think is there culture being taken away from them. Also some people are just aholes and everything you think about Americans being selfish pricks might be true.
Absolutely agree with all of this. I am a state over in Nebraska and aggressive drivers perceive cyclists as "liberals" and absolutely act out because of it. I've had a few trucks try to coal roll me. Honestly, conservative US states are kind of shit for cycling. I should move.
@@JL-ui4zn don’t make the mistake I did and move to Pennsylvania. I miss Co every day.
Car drivers drive way too close mostly and are impatient since Covid I find . I’ve had abuse from drivers and walkers . On the trails people can be lovely some are awkwardly helpful meaning they move but they have to check where the bell ring 💍 s coming from , maybe up ⬆️ n the trees . Just an excuse to slow you down , who knows . I tend to ride a lot more off road as in busy bedfordshire it’s pretty hairy . Having said that I have seen some pretty stupid cyclists 3-4 abreast without a care in the world . My philosophy is try to be nice , move over let the car go past then move back out . I think the internet / news likes to stir stuff up . Life is short , enjoy the ride
Some people just need to relax 😂
You do get some idiot cyclists who give the rest of us a bad name. Like the ones that go through red lights, teens doing wheelies right in front of oncoming traffic, or the ones that ride at night with no lights. Some drivers have no idea what cyclists have to think about, like avoiding the many pot holes at the edge of the road, so if they pass too close and you do try to avoid a pothole, you could end up almost being hit by the car passing you. But some of these drivers could do with leaving the car at home at getting out on a bike, then they will understand.
Well said.
Most don't hate cyclists, but the ones that do can kill you. Certain media feed into the othering of people on bikes, though.
Nah, I'm a driver and have no problem
Only 5h1t drivers who are angry cos of their mummy issues hate other road users
Fair
Smile to them through the window of there rolling castle - someday they think and switch side
That’s what I usually do 😂😊
I reckon they're just jealous maybe Santa never bought them that Raleigh Chopper they desperately wanted lol
London cargo bike rider here - i find mostly that 90% of car drivers are ok, the 10% that are t###ts think that they own the road cos they are in a car, and that cyclists should pay road tax and blah blah blah (not going down that rabbit hole here) and that no matter what a cyclist does (like *gasp* obey the law) they are wrong - and 90% of cyclists are good, but the 10% that shouldnt be riding a bike cos they dont quite grasp the concept of a red light make the rest of us look like idiots - thats in the real world, online i reckon everyone says exactly what they think (hence the 'war' between cars and cyclists) because they know that nothing will actually come of it, and most of the time no one actually means what they say online - sorry about the mini rant there, great vids as always mate
Do you still ride your pink courier bike with spinergy front wheel?
That wheel and frame died ages ago. There is a new pink bike now though.
I think the Car drivers are jealous..... they are missing out on all the fun 😂
Very true.
I think you have to detach the 'cyclist' and the 'driver'. They are just people, and there are decent people and idiots on the road in both groups, cyclists and drivers.
I commute to work, as well as ride at the weekend. Most of my experience with drivers is pure selfishness or lack of planning which comes in the form of close passes.
There have been a handful times when a close pass is deliberate. I was out recently on a Sunday at 6am (to avoid being a 'nuisance' to other road users) and the road was completely clear when a 5 Series literally buzzed me at 40mph in a 30 zone. Unfortunately, I don't have cameras on my road bike ... yet.
With regards to cycling in groups, or 2 or more abreast, I won't do it. I understand why some like to have a natter when cycling but for me the road is for everyone's use and selfishly hogging the road on a Sunday morning is idiotic IMO. Ride with respect and consideration of other road users and natter at the cafe.
Mate that lid is 👌
Anyway, plenty moans about cyclists up here but I just try and relax and be positive. The majority of drivers are ok.
Internet is the problem can’t believe you spent a morning reading the trolls 😂
I think its the idea that bicycles don't "belong" on the road or they're "in the way". If there's a cycling lane, the hate isn't the there. But then, pedestrians use the cycling lanes. Drivers hate cyclists as much as cyclists hates pedestrians.
Humans are very tribal. For many people, cyclist are not part of their “tribe” so they dislike them.
Most cyclists are drivers also…
👌🏼
Bloody oath they do. There are alot of cyclists out there in groups that think they own the road, giving all cyclists a bad name, then add in that most drivers think because they pay rego they own the road.
The worst thing I often experience is being close passed by the driver with bike rack on the car 🤦♂Lot of drivers are not cyclists so they cannot understand the dangers ie. the draft they make while closely passing you can literally push you in the ditch or off the road!
I think its driver incompetence. They seem to lose their head when they see a cyclist. ( got to get in front quick) or maybe thats cause i live in the lakes and we have alot of city folk that don’t seem to know how to drive country lanes 🤷♀️ its awful at some times of the year.
There's a lot of anger out there online and on-road. Do/did most of my cycling in those very South Devon lanes you're featuring - and I must say I have/had nary a problem. I'd echo what SimonV says: people get used to horses, horse lorries, cows crossing etc. Just r-e-l-a-x guys (and girls)! In city traffic however - different story!😡
Dumb car drives must not know bikes come with disc brakes these days.
But if they are dumb do they really know 🤷🏻♂️😂
Slight jealousy.
This idiot tried to get as close to clipping me without clipping me by driving halfway into the shoulder just the other day.. which was one driver out of 5000+ others that had safely and kindly went around. It’s not the specific group of “drivers” or “cyclists” it’s just people that are already ar$h013$
Ride in Spain courteous drivers no problem, only tourists cause problems and guess where they are from!
We look freakin’ awesome in lycra… they just jelly… just sayin’…
🤙
Facts!
It's the Internet that makes things worse than they are. On the roads its never that bad . The majority of people pass fine you dobthe odd close pass but it's usually from people not paying attention. People on the Internet never go very far and want everyone to have a miserable life like they do. Nobody driving sets off to kill a cyclist. I did get over a year ago, simply because the guy failed to see me and turned right across my path. When the guy did come to see me he was in bits and as white as a sheet. He had simply made a mistake and not looked properly and took it all in. Where in social media land its all they did this. I can't get past a 2 cyclist yet I'm able to overtake a car. I try to keep away from it as in real life things are never as bad
It's a different story commuting by bike at rush hour in the West Midlands.
Close passes are the least of your worries. Regularly get pulled out on, driven at as if I was invisible, left-hooked and nearly been reversed over twice in the same one-way street.
I've been threatened with a kicking when shouting at a particularly close pass, swung at for entering a round-about before a van, even though I had right of way, the list goes on.
Good job I've been cycling for years and have a good sense of impending danger or I wouldn't be here today.
The best thing to do is to expect everyone on the road to do something stupid and unpredictable and if they don't it's a nice surprise!
There are obviously some decent, courteous drivers out there, but it shouldn't be the case that it makes your day when you encounter one! Surely they should be the norm, rather than the exception!
It's no shock to me to see this article saying that West Midlands roads are among the worst for angry drivers and road rage incidents.
www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/west-midlands-roads-among-angriest-26892328
i got knocked off my bike by a driver not looking infront of her (probably on her phone) as a cyclist it pees me off that somw drivers are intentionally arseholes, but on the other hand should cyclists be riding around holding a camera filming their selves 😂🤷🏻♂️ ay Dave ay ay ay haha unfortunately as with everything what people dont do or understand they hate 😂
Not liking your comment because you got knocked off….more so for sharing your experience. You make a good point, no more riding and filming from me 😂🤷🏻♂️
haha im only playing you up Dave, you do you thats why we all tune in to watch your vids mate 👍🏼…… unfortunately humans just dont lack in compassion and general awareness for others safety, i do wish my local area would improve its cycle path infrastructure as within a few miles you can reach the lanes but to get there its a minefield of impatience!!
Yes we do. Vermin
😂
Facebook is another level of dumb and those spotted in pages bring out the local areas best.
The Jeremy Vines of the world don't do us any favours as they confirm the stereotype.
I think it's all in the dehumanising of seeing the vehicle not the person. We don't have horns so then have to use our voice so now it looks like we want a flight everywhere like when Ashley Neil let that bud driver out and the driver thought he was having a pop same with car horns really hard to use one in this country without people jumping up the conclusion you're using it negatively.
Let's all just relax our headspace and see the person.
I don’t think Jeremy vine, cycling Mikey et al help TBH…..
Agreed
Also the comments that say ooo the cyclist was too near the bus to be safe...... Not hearing them say that about vehicles close passing cyclists🤔
Seriously just don't get into it with them, they they aren't looking for a discussion, I they just want to rant and vent