This is actually a really good take on 2nd person. Many have had their own interpretation on what it is on TH-cam, but this is definitely the most accurate. Great work you, fir, and crafty!
2nd person narration is where the reader is a character in a story. 2nd person perspective would logically be the perspective of another observing you.
@@themilkman562Driver: San Francisco has a 2nd person mission like this. And that came in 2011, so this has definitely been before. I think most 2nd person mods are just really buggy/janky so you don’t see it often.
I know smant doesnt actually read these comments and these VODs tend to be from like months ago, but for this playthrough to have technically been pure 2nd person, smant would have to be telling fir (or vice versa) what to do in the game, and then fir or smant doing that thing. would be another fun challenge to do 🤩
@@Terence_sddgROBLOX LMAOOOO thats lowkey funny as hell that i thought it was smants vod channel cause it lists all his channels and social medias in its bio 😭😭😭
I ALSO want to tell smant about his amazing creativity and innovation. It is indeed a pleasant atmosphere to be in. We do appreciate his contribution to society.
All kingdoms time stamped! Will add funny time stamps soon! 0:00 Cap kingdom 7:44 Cascade kingdom 17:40 Sand kingdom 59:10 Lake kingdom 1:22:50 Wooded kingdom 1:59:15 Cloud kingdom 2:01:45 Lost kingdom 2:17:45 Metro kingdom
Just to clear up the deal with 2nd person as most people aren't aware. 2nd person narration is where the reader is a character in a story. 2nd person perspective would logically be the perspective of another observing you in the game.
Is 2nd person *not* when the narration describes things from your perspective? Such as "You hold the book and open it." Like Choose Your Own Adventure books.
I’m pretty sure this would be considered 4th person perspective, rather than 2nd person perspective. For it to be 2nd person, one person would be playing blind while the other describes what is happening, while in 4th person it describes the acts of a group the narrator is included in, which might be closer to what this is.
you're focusing too much on the "describing" aspect of things rather than applying it to the logic of perspective in the game. there's no reason why second person would require the absence of visual queues at all. you're watching the game from the perspective of someone else, that's about as close as we're gonna get. 4th person is arguably also sort of represented here, but it's more complicated than that because "we" is the same for everyone involved; fir and smant would have the same perspective. i'd argue the closest we have to that is splitscreen Mario Kart style.
2:38 I think this could be argued to be fourth person technically. Well, it depends on how you want to describe some terms. In English, there is a concept of Third Person Proximate and Third Person Obviative. Proximate refers to the person that you are telling a story about while obviative refers to someone who is surrounding the person you are telling the story about. So if you are telling a story about Mario, Mario would be proximate. However, the random toad Mario talks to would be obviative. However, English doesn’t actually differentiate between these two types of third person. Third person encapsulates both of these perspectives. There are other languages that do differentiate between Proximate and Obviative though and they are usually treated as just a different perspective. It makes complete sense to call Third Person Proximate something like "True Third Person" and Third Person Obviative "Fourth Person". The only reason why they're both called third person in English is just because Third Person encapsulates both so in English they are subcategories of Third Person. But in other languages, they could be considered 3rd and 4rth. Since you are controlling the Mario that is not being focused on, it makes sense to call this Third Person Obviative or Fourth Person
To continue your pedantry, the two types of third person perspective are often confused for “fourth person perspective” in English, but they are not one in the same, which can most easily be described as “telling a story from an entire groups perspectives simultaneously.” Until Dawn, or at least, parts of it come to mind as a pretty decent example of this, especially when there are multiple characters in scene at the same time. For easy reference: 1: “I” 2: “You” 3: “They” 4: “We” So: “I went to the store and bought milk.” = 1st person “You went to the store and bought milk.” = 2nd person “Mario went to the store and bought milk” = 3rd person “We went to the store and bought milk.” = 4th person
@@SaltSpirits One interpretation of 4th person is the persoective of a group of people. However,, I really don't agree with that interpretation. While there is 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person,,, each can be split up into Singular and Plural. The type of 'fourth person' that focuses on a group of people,,, is just a plural version of a perspective. Usually it ends up being 3rd person plural, however you went with the more odd decision to go with 1st person plural. If you mean something closer to 'a story from no one's perspective in particular', that feels like that would be 3rd Person Omniscient Plural.
I wonder how big a deal this is considering Smant has beaten the game blind and deaf already. Edit: he literally just mentioned it when I posted the comment.
Honestly, i would be inclined to say this is 6th person lmao, and heres why: originally you play smo in 3rd person. But now your playing from somone else's 3rd person. So therefore, my ultimate conclusion is....... This challenge go brrrrr
Second person is like you and your, first person is me and my, 3rd person is he and her, 4th person is we, so I think this would be 5th person perspective maybe.
Isn't this Fir Person perspective?
Nah, its a sMANt's perspective.
lol this is good
Fir perspective
Four perspective
Fir's person
@@CrashCubeZeroOne to google ur reaction is a diffrent language and in english it translates to for the person
i love how smallants mario was in the background the whole time and i did not realise till he jumped
I’m 2 hours into the video and I just now realized
This is actually a really good take on 2nd person. Many have had their own interpretation on what it is on TH-cam, but this is definitely the most accurate. Great work you, fir, and crafty!
2nd person narration is where the reader is a character in a story. 2nd person perspective would logically be the perspective of another observing you.
@@yesno4378 Yes, but many people have had different takes on it. This is the first time I've seen it demonstrated in this way.
@@themilkman562Driver: San Francisco has a 2nd person mission like this. And that came in 2011, so this has definitely been before. I think most 2nd person mods are just really buggy/janky so you don’t see it often.
@@ReverseScript Yeah, obviously it's been done by some people, but you're right to say you don't see it very often.
It would've been hilarious if you had given Fir your VOD to upload to his channel, and vice versa
I know smant doesnt actually read these comments and these VODs tend to be from like months ago, but for this playthrough to have technically been pure 2nd person, smant would have to be telling fir (or vice versa) what to do in the game, and then fir or smant doing that thing. would be another fun challenge to do 🤩
Smant doesn’t even own this lmfao
@@Terence_sddgROBLOX LMAOOOO thats lowkey funny as hell that i thought it was smants vod channel cause it lists all his channels and social medias in its bio 😭😭😭
@@atelophob_iaits his channel but he doesn't run it, i think his mom does
That’s what I meant by it wasn’t his
@@Terence_sddgROBLOX whoaaa crazy i didnt know that! thats awesome though we love smant mom 💕💕💕
I ALSO want to tell smant about his amazing creativity and innovation. It is indeed a pleasant atmosphere to be in. We do appreciate his contribution to society.
Too bad he doesn't read the comments on the vod challenge and he doesn't even run the channel
All kingdoms time stamped!
Will add funny time stamps soon!
0:00 Cap kingdom
7:44 Cascade kingdom
17:40 Sand kingdom
59:10 Lake kingdom
1:22:50 Wooded kingdom
1:59:15 Cloud kingdom
2:01:45 Lost kingdom
2:17:45 Metro kingdom
funny time stamps when?
@@dæta_sprout he never did it...
@@FamousSeamuslol
It's funny looking at these in hindsight
Smant and CJ tried to kill each other, while Smant and Fir worked together
40:05 Mario has been consumed by the void
Just to clear up the deal with 2nd person as most people aren't aware. 2nd person narration is where the reader is a character in a story. 2nd person perspective would logically be the perspective of another observing you in the game.
Is 2nd person *not* when the narration describes things from your perspective? Such as "You hold the book and open it." Like Choose Your Own Adventure books.
@@arcanine_enjoyer My mistake, those are also second person books.
What you just described is still 3rd person, just with an internal narrator
@@giulioturina2772 Third person is where a narrator exists separate from the story.
@@giulioturina2772 no it's not, 3rd person with an internal narrator does not have the reader as a character.
I’m pretty sure this would be considered 4th person perspective, rather than 2nd person perspective. For it to be 2nd person, one person would be playing blind while the other describes what is happening, while in 4th person it describes the acts of a group the narrator is included in, which might be closer to what this is.
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you're focusing too much on the "describing" aspect of things rather than applying it to the logic of perspective in the game. there's no reason why second person would require the absence of visual queues at all. you're watching the game from the perspective of someone else, that's about as close as we're gonna get.
4th person is arguably also sort of represented here, but it's more complicated than that because "we" is the same for everyone involved; fir and smant would have the same perspective. i'd argue the closest we have to that is splitscreen Mario Kart style.
Please you have to do a second one when you complete the game
2:38 I think this could be argued to be fourth person technically.
Well, it depends on how you want to describe some terms.
In English, there is a concept of Third Person Proximate and Third Person Obviative. Proximate refers to the person that you are telling a story about while obviative refers to someone who is surrounding the person you are telling the story about. So if you are telling a story about Mario, Mario would be proximate. However, the random toad Mario talks to would be obviative.
However, English doesn’t actually differentiate between these two types of third person. Third person encapsulates both of these perspectives. There are other languages that do differentiate between Proximate and Obviative though and they are usually treated as just a different perspective. It makes complete sense to call Third Person Proximate something like "True Third Person" and Third Person Obviative "Fourth Person". The only reason why they're both called third person in English is just because Third Person encapsulates both so in English they are subcategories of Third Person. But in other languages, they could be considered 3rd and 4rth.
Since you are controlling the Mario that is not being focused on, it makes sense to call this Third Person Obviative or Fourth Person
That goodness I don't have to be the pedantic person
He is talking to Fir though, so maybe 2nd person...
It's 6th person perspective.
To continue your pedantry, the two types of third person perspective are often confused for “fourth person perspective” in English, but they are not one in the same, which can most easily be described as “telling a story from an entire groups perspectives simultaneously.”
Until Dawn, or at least, parts of it come to mind as a pretty decent example of this, especially when there are multiple characters in scene at the same time.
For easy reference:
1: “I”
2: “You”
3: “They”
4: “We”
So:
“I went to the store and bought milk.” = 1st person
“You went to the store and bought milk.” = 2nd person
“Mario went to the store and bought milk” = 3rd person
“We went to the store and bought milk.” = 4th person
@@SaltSpirits One interpretation of 4th person is the persoective of a group of people. However,, I really don't agree with that interpretation.
While there is 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person,,, each can be split up into Singular and Plural. The type of 'fourth person' that focuses on a group of people,,, is just a plural version of a perspective.
Usually it ends up being 3rd person plural, however you went with the more odd decision to go with 1st person plural.
If you mean something closer to 'a story from no one's perspective in particular', that feels like that would be 3rd Person Omniscient Plural.
2:41 fir just started flying?
1:07:25 Fir with the Owen Wilson energy
6:03 ah yes, moss mario
Man I was hoping it would be my idea of second person, the person in of the first person (so basically a Mario face cam)
Please make a sequel, I loved this and it wasn't too confusing at all!
Its not second person its FIRst Person😂
I wonder how big a deal this is considering Smant has beaten the game blind and deaf already.
Edit: he literally just mentioned it when I posted the comment.
This looks very fun to play actually
at 1:24:04 maybe also earlyer smallant has a stack of coins
no way i checked the caption just to find out this was streamed on my birthday !!
Honestly, i would be inclined to say this is 6th person lmao, and heres why: originally you play smo in 3rd person. But now your playing from somone else's 3rd person. So therefore, my ultimate conclusion is....... This challenge go brrrrr
We are back to 2022😢 We will never get to present day
We are in Jan 2023 here
This is 2nd person btw
Technically he could do this without someone else because he did this blindfolded
This reminds me of playing Tails in Sonic 2 single player campaign :D Forever off the screen xD
Mario Odyssey but 3D tanks would go crazy
We need more Subnautica
Does Smallant control the camera on his screen or Firs?
Minecraft has its own 2nd person perspective tho
Just to get this strat this is a really creative challenge I just hope we do more hide and seek
Second person is like you and your, first person is me and my, 3rd person is he and her, 4th person is we, so I think this would be 5th person perspective maybe.
perfectly on time :D
Second person is third person but instead of the back of your head you sees your face
We must see more :)
2nd person is from the front
This video was only made like 2 years ago 💀
Your problem with that being?
@@RichD1011 it’s a joke 💀= not serious
Its 2023, the editor got it wrong
the like count is now 789 becouse i liked the video (789 is a satisfying number just look at it and you know why)
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No way this shit says originally streamed at 2022 💀
It was 2023
Lmao
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