The conversation with the wife is classic as it takes the form of every conversation a man has brought to his wife to try and justify spending money on another tool. 🤣🤣🤣
Haha, i know. Me and my girlfriend bought a renovation project house and she thought i could do everything with a saw and a hammer. Been trying to justify my purchases ever since. Its been almost 3 years now and she still questions my purchases even tho i do everything from plumbing, tiles, electricity and so on :)
Hey Scott. Thanks mate from Stray Ya. Retired Ind Arts teacher here and have never used a multi-tool. I am on the Makita cordless path and want to do some tricky remodel of a pantry to a butler pantry. Tradesman said use a multi-tool. Multi-tool??Which started the?????. You answered all but 1 question I have and answered many I didn't know enough to ask. You have a natural teaching ability, concise, examples, comparisons, humour. Production quality very nice. I was on my way to the tool store but then read the comments about pin failures. grrrrr. Thanks.
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I've had a corded Bosh for 5+ years hanging around the garage for home projects. I now have a cordless Makita that I use frequently as a career handyman. The thing I love about the Bosh pinless is when you are sanding with it. Each time you change grit size on the Makita you have to pull the paper off to get the pin out. That often leads to the backing failing on the paper before the grit is worn out. On the Bosh you can can just buy a 2nd (or 3rd) sanding plate and keep the paper intact as the clip couples & uncouples behind the paper surface.
I’m an apprentice electrician and I just had a DTM52 sent out from Mitre10 during the lockdown. Already used it for some home DIY while I’m stuck at home. But as a sparky I can already tell this is going to be a game changer. Also great to see some local content on the Tube. (Also from Auckland) 🤙
I bought a Fein brand multi tools and man that the best one I’ve used so far, never used the makita and/or festool! The Fein is awesome it has a great sanding attachment and decent dust collection!!
Fein is still the gold standard in my opinion. I have a Fein multimaster and a Festool. The Festool is a Fein supercut with Festool branding on it. They have a deal together. But yes, I tell everyone they don't understand what is a good multi-tool until they use a Fein.
I had the fein multimaster. It was very smooth and just nice to use, wway Less vibration than any other one I've seen. But one day it broke inside, because to keep vibration down the head is only attached to the motor by very small glass filled plastic arms. I had it maybe 5 years. Looking inside it seems to me this will happen to everyone eventually. So I bought a cordless Milwaukee and it is just as good or even better. Very smooth, has a light and definitely cuts quicker. One of Milwaukee's better tools!
@@worstdayofmylifesofar.just7477 the cordless Milwaukee is what we use at work and it is a piece of junk IMO and in the opinion of everyone using it, pain to change tools, vibrate like crazy etc etc !
Just got this in Canada and I absolutely love it over the old one. I love the fact like you said about the 3 Starlock types. It's a great idea, the vibration control is great too
love your blogs as a retired builder you teaching me some new tricks, thanks mate it helps fill the long lockdown here in Auckland, ps love the burgers
As soon as me and the work mates turned on that new Makita multitool we all looked at each other and couldn't believe how quiet it is. I upgraded straight away. Did a comparison of decibels between the old and new and there is 10db different which is a lot. Great video Scott!
@@jaredbrierley2782 ever used one of those tool on a sheet of plywood or any large less dense surface? say a particle board cabinet(bae or wall), further that by plywood, particle board, and others? they're more or less a "speaker cone" for the tool and total degree of movement and tool noise becomes nullified by the giant speaker screaming :)
I also am in the Makita system, but I held off on their multi-tool. I may rethink that now... and may also consider getting an extra pin to tape to the inside of my toolbox lid. :) Many thanks.
Fein invented the Multitool back in the sixties and the Starlock system was an collaboration of Bosch AND Fein. Fein is often overseen, although they are the oldest German tool company and invented for example the first powerdrill ever! As far as I know is the Festool multitool also manufactered by Fein. I don‘t know the Makita multitool yet, but the anti vibration system of the Fein I owned is outstanding!
@@thorstenkrieger6289 that's awesome. I've only tried the Fein a handful of times and was impressed. Both Kameron and Gaston have one and they love it. I didn't know they went that far back. Cheers
I also have a Fein, and I love it :) , Fein general market is Metal industrie, have a angle grinder from them , small 125mm disk and 2000W it’s just a monster
I had this multitool for not even two weeks when something in the pin locking mechanism snapped off and made the tool unusable, i took it apart to see that the part was designed nowhere near as strong as it should have been considering the torque put on the part with the leaver which im guessing is what made mine give out. I sent it to makita to repair and ive been told that so many people have already been having the same problem so makita are having to redesign the part itself. And I can confirm the larger head does get in the way at times unlike others like the feintool that i had been using previously
Whilst watching I was thinking of making this same comment. No additional fasteners with the DeWalt. Pull handle, slide blade in / out, release handle. Easy.
@@LukeSMK The system is well supported with a bunch of different blade styles and a few brands manufacturing the system. Only having the one fitment option has never been a problem for me.
The whole time watching this, I thought that pin is just an added unnecessary extra, and easily lost . You proved me right at the end. I really like dewalts clip on system.
I agree but I have never lost the pin on my gen2 makita multi tool. I envy the the ease of use of my dewalt cohorts though. Do you like the adjustle power trigger thing on the dewalt or the idea of the makita on/off better?
i have the dewalt battery multi tool with that "easy" blade install, sometimes at least on mine which is not even a year old, it gets tough to actually push it hard enough to open the jaws, and don't even get me started on trying to get that blade perfectly centered
The immediate predecessor to starlock (in Fein world) was a pin system. I have found it to be better than the pinless starlock system when trying to set the angle of the blade in a tight spot.
I’d be interested to see if the larger head on the body of the new Makita gets in the way at all. Often you’ll be multi-tooling in an awkward or cramped space, the larger body head may cause issues.
That is definitely a valid concern. The solution to that may be to use the longer and overall larger Starlock max blades. I get why they designed it like that. Everything was squished to the business end and then the handle is decoupled from the body. With the cordless Fein/Festool models, you have to hold the tool all the way back at the battery to avoid the vibration.
Losing the pin was back of my mind through the whole video. I feel like Makita missed the chance to include a second hole or a magnet for storing the pin during blade changes. You could test the concept, use hot glue or something else temporary to put a strong magnet somewhere on the tool. New blade change order of operations would be: pull pin, store pin on magnet, change blade, reinsert pin. If it works, drill a hole into the plastic body and epoxy a magnet, so it is flush and permanent.
@@hustla818 Or I am an engineer who has had to fix much more complicated tools/systems when other people's bad luck or momentary lapse in judgement causes non-tethered or non-secured parts to go missing. Go back to your cave troll.
@Kyle McLaren ok but it doesn't just disappear from the face of the earth. If you "lose" it somehow during the 3 seconds of changing the blade, just look around for 10 seconds and I'm sure you'll find it again. It has to be in your immediate vicinity. And you're an "engineer" who fixes tools when the owner loses a part? There is nothing to fix, you just buy the part that you lost. And you don't need an engineer to fix something so simple. You're the only troll here you're no engineer, you're probably a janitor or some other basic ass job. You're telling me if I lose this pin on the multi tool I'll need to hire an engineer to fix it? Or do I just buy a new one and put it back in. Gtfo you loser
@@hustla818 In a large enough commercial setting, dropped parts can essentially disappear. And with downtime costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can't wait to "just buy the part". Especially for old machines where the manufacturer went out of business, or plans and technical manuals aren't available. Obviously a pin isn't lost forever if it is dropped in a smaller workplace like home construction. But my work background influences the way I think, and to me, unsecured parts and tools are hazards. I come to Scott's channel for the mellow vibes. It's sort of weird to see someone getting so defensive and accusatory in the comments, especially on a 1 year old video. Normally good people like Scott have fewer trolls int he comments. Are you okay? Do you need help?
You + Jess = relationship goals! Not only is she kind enough to make lunch for you (with extra cheese), she allows you to have tools in the bedroom? Wow.
i know this is probably blasphemy to say, but i think the ryobi multi-tool is actually one of the best. Quick release blade, and not only can you rotate the blade position, but you can also pivot the head in a number of different ways. Great for work in tight spaces
DeWalt have absolutely nailed the quick blade change mechanism on a multitool, simplicity in itself, when it comes to multi tools DeWalt have quick blade changes cracked, with a simple spring and lever mechanism. No manufacturer Bosch, Makita Worx, None of them come close to DeWalt. th-cam.com/video/Wut63DsFK4Y/w-d-xo.html
Have ryobi got better batteries these days? I had a couple of ryobi tools and the battery really put me off the brand. But to be fair this was a long long time ago
I am a sparky. I would stick with the brands like Makita Hitachi, Milwaukee or Dewalt. Ozito, Ryobi, Black and Decker, and Stanley could last for only a few months of intensive usage. I have both Dewalt and Makita tools. People on site would argue about which brand was better. I would always say that people with big hands and stronger arms should go for dewalt, smaller hands people would be benefited from the makita’s ergonomic grip design.
My favourite tool change system on a Multi-tool is actually on a Ryobi! It uses the classic OIS blades, BUT instead of a bolt that you manually have to screw and unscrew every time, the bottom bolt is attached to a sprung lever which opens up enough gap to change the blade... I.e similar to your new Makita except the bolt is fixed in place so you don't have to take it out every time (and you can't lose it!). That's not even the best feature though... The entire tool head is also on an adjustable pivot so the blade can be up to 90˚ from the body which makes it super handy to get in tight spots.
That tool explanation with Jess was funny - she looked like she was trying hard to feign interest in what you were talking about - personally, I couldn't stop looking at those burgers. lol
Fun fact about the new makita multitool, the motor is in a housing inside the tool, the housing has springs around it and that is why it vibrates less and also that is a reason why it makes less noise. Bte nice video Scott always love it bud!!!!👌👌
Lol, I love your wife. Probably has no interest herself in any of the discussion, but she looks genuinly happy to just be talking to you about it and listening. The relationship I dream to have with someone where you both have different interests but are just genuinly interested in listening about the other explaining about it because of the love there.
i use also Fein MM700 and AMM700 and there is no comparsion to others , except to festool as i heard, and also Fein is the original inventor of these multi tools.
FYI, Scott the Starlock system is a collaboration between Bosch and Fein. Also the Fein cordless Multimaster MM 700 Max here in the UK uses a similar latch system to the Bosch, so no pin but it can also take all 3 blade types the Starlock, Starlock Plus and Starlock Max.
It's also the best with the least amount of vibration. The engine is decoupled from the body. Too bad they are a bit expensive and have a relatively small eco system. Although I've read they joined the Bosch battery alliance. A Fein MM on a Bosch 4 Ah ProCore battery would be amazing and definitely my first choice.
@@macvosI also hope they join the battery alliance to. That would be the best solution for us customers. Only needing one battery platform and just buy the best bare tool for the job. It would also force the manufacturers to make more of an effort to make a better tool instead of just an ok one and rely on customers in their battery platform.
I've been watching content on your channel for a little over a year now, and I greatly appreciate how thorough you are with product (tool) reviews. Keep doing what you do, and thank you for all the great info and knowledge you pass on.
This is good Scott, we like technical details, the most interesting part of this video, for me, was the difference in movement for each model. Keep coming with the details!
I have the Milwaukee m18 fuel. I’ve tried the festool but I didn’t like it much and I tried the Bosch but it was loud and had a lot of vibration. Never tried either Makita but I might try the new one when it comes to the US.
About the decision to go with “Starlock…but with a pin”. I have the Fein that came just before starlock, Festool starlock (reskinned fein supercut) and have owned the Bosch starlock. With the pin models, it is very easy to adjust the blade angle on the fly. With the pinless starlock system, it is a real pain to dial in an angle in a tight spot. You have to keep removing the tool from the tight spot, remove the blade, lock the blade in again, try again, wrong angle, pull the tool out, remove the blade, and lock the blade in again…woof. Makita thought this one through. Rolling back to Fein’s previous locking pin while maintaining the enclosed Starlock interface with the optimized energy transfer is good stuff. The starlock interface wasn’t just about the quick connect function when introduced. It’s also about the ability to increase the applied power and swing arc. I’m not really interested in anymore LXT as I’ve gone all in on XGT. However, this Makita is looking better than my Feins…
The Dewalt can use all of them, they include an adapter for starlock blades. They shine with the open back blades though, you just pull the trigger lock and slip it in. So easy.
I have the dewalt it’s good as long as you have the strength to push the spring lever. And consumables are cheaper than star lock. There is also Bosch star lock for angle grinders
Yeah I have to agree I have a Makita Renovator at but used a mates DeWalt Renovator and thought his was a lot better. easier blade change plus it had a LED
Awesome video - thx a lot here from Germany :) I'm into the Makita family and want to expand my range with a multitool. And now I know that I'll be going with the DTM 52
Got the Fein cordless 500 , it's great, I always have it in the van, but don't like using it for long due to the vibration (which is low compared to other brands) but it's essential for some small tasks, love it when I need it. Cheers
Have you ever had the chance to compare the Fein cordless to this new Makita? Was about to buy the Fein cordless, until Makita came out with this brushless motor. May go with the Makita now. People are saying good things about it’s power and very low vibration.
I Won’t lie Scott, I look up to you and Jess! You guys are amazing! I’m from Canada and our building practice and codes are very similar! And I’ve been following your practice for a while now Scott! You’ve thought me a lot and recommend a lot of tools and practice I use on the daily bases. Thank you
Thanks bro, I just used this makita multitool to chisel some door frame and install security locks and I bought it because of your video. Install was a breeze and it cuts clean. I do need a new blade though because I thought it would do metal too but it does not haha
Never understood the pin in the makita, even less now that they use a Starlock system. I work in a hardware store where we have demo machines of the multi-tool on display and on both the screw has been stolen because people lose it. Bosch and Fein do it better with just the click system. I guess DeWalt has a similar thing where you thread it on from the side but you are limited to just their blades that have the slit in the back
@@GermanClimaxClan Bosch and Fein developed the Starlock system together. by the way bosch also developed the X-lock system. And Fein will be using Bosch 18V system soon.
I have also the Bosch one and I figured out that you just need to widen the hole with a dremel and the STARLOCK MAX blades will fit in the PLUS one 😁. cheers from Austria
I had Makita DTM52 recently. And its built quality is just awesome. Very sturdy. Robust. Lots of grip. Its internal design is also superior. It has double housing, one is isolated from another. The motor is directly Integrated into oscillator mechanism with all the necessary joints properly sealed. Its head is that big because of antivibration system, and therefore you can hold the tool directly by its head (!), which gives a lot more control over the instrument. Love it. Very good tool.
Brilliant. The Makita is one lost pin away from being a really handy paperweight. They should have just used the same system as the Bosch cordless and put their weight behind one blade type.
Your comment is ridiculous.. You are most likely an office worker who "occasionally " picks up a power tool to do something you saw on a television renovation program .
It's a bloody awful tool though. It vibrates, it wears plastic off where ot contacts your batteries and wrecks your batteries too, it gets really hot on the handle, it's not ergonomic, and the trigger wears out so you can't get a constant speed anymore. Triggers on multi tools are bad. They should have a switch and a variable speed dial like practically everyone else. I hate mine and I'm going to get a different brand one soon.
Kudo's to the wife. It's not something she doesn't seem to be naturally interested in, but she's so sweet trying to pay attention and understand what he's explaining, and why. My wife is just as sweet.
Personally it's the variable speed trigger control that dewalt have that I like about them. My go to multitool over the apprentices dewalt and my 18v makita tho Is my m12 milwaukee. Quietest, just as strong as both 18v and less vibrating
i've found it hard to get those blades to be at an absolute straight 0 degree mine always is slightly off to the left or right, especially with cheap blades but even the most expensive ones it still doesn't fit perfectly straight, and at times getting my jaw to open and release the blade becomes a hassle
Fein uses the bolt system as well. My Fein multi tool is probably 15 years old and still running strong after hundreds of jobs! Bummer to hear NZ is back on lockdown, looks like you're making the best of it.
Hey Scott, thanks for the very in-depth analysis it was very informative. All 3 brands you mentioned love it when we buy multiple of the same tool from different manufacturers - there's always the chance you'll convert, right! And you should enjoy your tools because they're awesome and sometimes the main reason we carry on doing the hard work. One thing I've learned though over the years is a tool is just an extension of our hands. My grandad was a very respected carpenter and he only had the axe, the circular saw and the handsaw. He could basically jump on a bus to get to work. And he managed just fine all his life. Just a thought for us all to consider. I still love my extensive range of Makitas and I wouldn't swap that for the bare necessities. We're just very spoiled nowadays. Have a great weekend!
As far as I can tell, the post on the Makita enables use of blades with fully enclosing holes as well as potential backwards (and, with the right adaptor, universal) compatibility with older blades and blades from other manufacturers. For example the 'as seen on TV', at least in NZ, Renovator. I could be wrong and more than happy to be corrected. Just starting to try to figure this all out. And this video was most helpful for that. Thanks.
I live in the netherlands and here we have an open style blade. This way you can change the blade without having to remove the bold conpletely. This seems way more convenient then the new makita starlock.
came in here to say this. i have that makita 18v older style but with the lever. for blades with a slot in the "foot" just slide it in without removing the bolt and lock 'er down. but having a starlock max blade for deep cuts sounds nice. also the old makita is loud AF
Mate that rubber grip is going to be a welcome relief, in the past I've done 3 days of using one to cut up stadium tri board flooring. My hands, forearms were tingly for about a week
After many years of struggling I finally picked up a Makita dtm52-something and jumped on the starlock bandwagon. Bit fiddly withe the pin but the tool is pretty light, and gets the job done for a reasonable price. Would be good if the next version reorients the battery like the Bosch tool.
I’m an Electrician in the US and we use all Milwaukee tools for battery compatibility, except for our multitool (which we either call an oscillating saw or an oocher) which is a Dewalt, such a handy tool
Those burgers looked fantastic. I'm just curious, since my experience is with a Dremel multitool originally that had the annoying bolt for the blade retention, and now these days with a DeWalt cordless, which has a simple lever that allows you to quickly change the "normal" style blades in like two seconds but I don't think it will accept a starlock blade, so is there a really good reason to use starlock? Are the blades cheaper, or better or what?
I like how narrow my older Makita multitool is to get into tight spaces. But by far the worst part of it is that the Allen Key retainer fails to retain the key when the tool is vibrating. MASSIVELY obvious oversight in my eyes!
And frankly I would love to see someone make an adapter to run non Starlock blades on Fein, or Bosch or other Starlock systems. They are cheaper by far and some third party ones are as good or better than the Europeans
@@wisemay5895 absolutely. The exclusivity of the Starlock system makes it difficult to adapt to many other styles. Incidentally, you can fit Starlock on Non Starlock tools (if they have the universal fitment style), but not the other way around.
The issue with using third party cheaper non starlock blades is the slack that comes with them when mounted on the machines head through an adaptor, causing faster damage of the vibrating mechanical parts in the head. This happened quite a bit on the old system. The third party starlock blades we have in the EU today all come from the same factory as the Fein-Bosch blades do.
I just went with the Festool for simplicity's sake, and I hate losing pins (which happens with other tools or gear that depends on something like that). Thanks for the video as usual!
As a makita guy, I'd have to agree with you. Dewalt's blade change is much better than anything makita has. I am hoping Makita will catch on eventually but this new release is disappointing. I just don't understand what they were hoping to achieve. My guess is there is some deal between them and bosch to boost blade sells of starlock types. I see no other reason for them to do something foolish like this.
@@hotbam37 My guess is it's down to patents, dewalt have patented that type of blade change, hence why no other tool company does it. If they wish to have the same style system, they would have to pay some sort of fee etc
im watching this as a 20 year old that still lives at home, just dreaming of owning my own arsenal of 40v makita tools. soon future self......... soon.
I'm replying to this as a 36 year old who's managed (over many years) to purchase a very full set of Makita 18v and 36v tools just warning you that by the time you do manage to accumulate a full set of 40v tools there will inevitably be an 80v line up released.......the chase never ends
@@greenreaper1985 oh its already begun. I have a 40v impact ONLY becaise my dad and I couldn't find an 80v impact, or as I like to call it, the "I wasn't asking" impact 😂.
My XMT03Z here in the US has had the pin lock mechanism for at least four years. I've never seen one like the one you have there in NZ. The pin lock mimics the way Fein does it. Never seen anyone loose the pin but have seen them get buggered up. We sold them as standard replacement parts at the store i worked at for a while
Thanks Scott. I bought a Makita (Allen key) version a few months ago for DIY. Its good but I seem to be going through the blades. Do you resharpen your blades? Cheers Alan from Australia
Loved this episode, found it funny and well made. Thanks for the tips and insight on the 3-4 tools mentioned. I personally think the Milwaukee 12v multi tool with the Milwaukee blade it comes with is one of the best I've ever used, don't know about the starlock function, but it doesn't bother me when it cuts so well.. keep up the awesome vids 🤟
I have had the corded Fein Multimaster since 2011. I love that when I need it available it is there to do the jobs that other tools just can't. From what I gather Fein tools had the original star lock with a pin, but their patent on the oscillating multi-tool ran out in 2010 or 2011. That was when we saw the emergence of oscillating saws from all the other brands.
I don’t remember what Fein called their previous pin system but it certainly wasn’t Starlock. Bosch came to Fein to work on Starlock together as Bosch was keen to get in on that sweet sweet consumable $$$ that was about to open up for them. The “pinless” design has it’s cons, however, and I’m guessing Makita was privy to this. It certainly wasn’t cost reasons. Both mechanisms cost the same. Royalty wise, it’s still starlock branded and I’m figuring Bosch waves that anyway.
Bosch and Fein both own the Starlock standard. Fein adopted all of the standards that they and Bosch developed. That's why the cordless Fein MT uses the same batteries as Bosch. The Makita in this video, the Fein, and the Bosch all use the Starlock system, but with slight variations. (Except Makita pays Bosch/Fein to use the Starlock standard.)
I'm on the Milwaukee platform, but wanted a brushless multi tool a couple years ago and bought the bosch Starlock 18v. The vibration and loudness plus the price on blades was a bad decision. Bought the new Milwaukee brushless M18 and it's day and night when it comes to speed, anti vibration and sound, also the blades are way cheaper. The bosch has been sitting in the bench for a year now with no use.
Pity it's terrible design that vibrates your hand to bits, with a trigger that wears out from vibration and becomes uncontrollable, and a body shape that makes it extremely awkward to use. I regret owning it. I now run Dewalt and Makita so I will be changing over to Makita soon, as multi tool is one of my most used tools.
I have the bosch cordless as I have the bosch batteries so I'm all bosch, pretty happy with it although it is very loud. For me bosch wins cause their procore batteries are far better in my humble opinion. Chur from Te Kuiti
I can’t find even a mention of this tool in the states. Looks like it’s unavailable any place other than a tiny island in the middle of nowhere. Looks like they might be doing a beta test or something. Great place to do it. Small number of users, controlled area, easy to keep an eye on where they are and how they’re working out.
In my 30 years as a carpenter, Makita has never done anything nor been silly. Everything Makita does is for a purpose and if they get it wrong, they will ask for and absorb your criticism or suggestions. However, I do also love my Bosch and Milwaukee tools. The Milwaukee also has a great blade locking system.
Mostly true, but Makita 18v nailers are not very good. They are heavier, less reliable, and poorly engineered overall compared to Hitachi/Metabo HPT and Milwaukee. There are a few other Makita duds but to my knowledge the nailers are the main shame on Makita. Generally Makita has the best ergonomics but that is not true from this multitool or it's predecessor. I think Makita has the best 18v platform (I have almost everything from them including yard equipment) but I got on M12 for rotary tool, pin nailer, stapler, mini (but powerful) recip, installation drill, affordable right angle impact, slim multitool, upcoming 2" planer, and still considering mini bandsaw. These are all tools that don't compare from LXT (or don't exist at all) from Makita. So much better to not rely on one battery platform. LXT and M12 together gives me everything but a brad nailer so I went with Metabo HPT b/c it's the lightest and a smaller platform, so less tempting to get carried away (compared to M18). It there's an M12 brad or better LXT brad then I may sell the Metabo HPT tools. Most of my corded are Makita also, with a few Wen if they get 5* reviews (such as the slim sander at a fraction of the Makita cost)
Be curious to see the cutting performance with that vibration dampening system. I have Dewalt multi tool (and Festool ordered) and feel like the cutting performance goes down when I apply too much pressure or the vibration/oscillation is transferred back into the tool. Allowing the tool to move inside the grip looks like would make that worse but I can’t say for sure until I see it first hand
The conversation with the wife is classic as it takes the form of every conversation a man has brought to his wife to try and justify spending money on another tool. 🤣🤣🤣
Haha exactly that! 😂
Haha, i know. Me and my girlfriend bought a renovation project house and she thought i could do everything with a saw and a hammer. Been trying to justify my purchases ever since. Its been almost 3 years now and she still questions my purchases even tho i do everything from plumbing, tiles, electricity and so on :)
Had a few convos like that myself, with the wife
Thats basically every conversation with the missus no matter the item..
They spend more cash on a stuppid hair trim than I payed on my impact drill and they justify that easily 😂😂😂😂
Hey Scott. Thanks mate from Stray Ya. Retired Ind Arts teacher here and have never used a multi-tool. I am on the Makita cordless path and want to do some tricky remodel of a pantry to a butler pantry. Tradesman said use a multi-tool. Multi-tool??Which started the?????. You answered all but 1 question I have and answered many I didn't know enough to ask.
You have a natural teaching ability, concise, examples, comparisons, humour. Production quality very nice.
I was on my way to the tool store but then read the comments about pin failures. grrrrr.
Thanks.
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
I've had a corded Bosh for 5+ years hanging around the garage for home projects. I now have a cordless Makita that I use frequently as a career handyman. The thing I love about the Bosh pinless is when you are sanding with it. Each time you change grit size on the Makita you have to pull the paper off to get the pin out. That often leads to the backing failing on the paper before the grit is worn out. On the Bosh you can can just buy a 2nd (or 3rd) sanding plate and keep the paper intact as the clip couples & uncouples behind the paper surface.
Ahh, good point!
I made a hole in the paper just to get arround that... but it tends to collect dust up arround the pin if you do so.
Agreed - very good point.
Apart from that all good.
I'll try punching a hole in the abrasive paper too.
Loved your video, thankyou
It's encouraging to see someone understand where the condiments go on a burger.
But doesnt toast the buns ... :(
An underated skill
I felt the lettuce should've been on top of the burger.. though I guess lettuce isn't technically a condiment..
@@adammacer A bed of lettuce... it goes on the bottom.
@@Syncop8rNZ I prefer a duvet of lettuce, on the firm mattress of burger..
I’m an apprentice electrician and I just had a DTM52 sent out from Mitre10 during the lockdown. Already used it for some home DIY while I’m stuck at home. But as a sparky I can already tell this is going to be a game changer. Also great to see some local content on the Tube. (Also from Auckland) 🤙
This was absolutely priceless! Thanks to you and Jess for making life in lockdown much more informative and entertaining. Greetings from Karaka.
I bought a Fein brand multi tools and man that the best one I’ve used so far, never used the makita and/or festool! The Fein is awesome it has a great sanding attachment and decent dust collection!!
Fein is still the gold standard in my opinion. I have a Fein multimaster and a Festool. The Festool is a Fein supercut with Festool branding on it. They have a deal together. But yes, I tell everyone they don't understand what is a good multi-tool until they use a Fein.
I had the fein multimaster. It was very smooth and just nice to use, wway Less vibration than any other one I've seen. But one day it broke inside, because to keep vibration down the head is only attached to the motor by very small glass filled plastic arms. I had it maybe 5 years. Looking inside it seems to me this will happen to everyone eventually.
So I bought a cordless Milwaukee and it is just as good or even better. Very smooth, has a light and definitely cuts quicker. One of Milwaukee's better tools!
@@worstdayofmylifesofar.just7477 the cordless Milwaukee is what we use at work and it is a piece of junk IMO and in the opinion of everyone using it, pain to change tools, vibrate like crazy etc etc !
Just got this in Canada and I absolutely love it over the old one. I love the fact like you said about the 3 Starlock types. It's a great idea, the vibration control is great too
Are you in Toronto?
love your blogs as a retired builder you teaching me some new tricks, thanks mate it helps fill the long lockdown here in Auckland, ps love the burgers
As soon as me and the work mates turned on that new Makita multitool we all looked at each other and couldn't believe how quiet it is. I upgraded straight away. Did a comparison of decibels between the old and new and there is 10db different which is a lot. Great video Scott!
it's often the material you're cutting that starts ringing and screaming far louder than the tool.
@@throttlebottle5906 100% the material makes half the noise but its a good start the tools way quieter.
@@jaredbrierley2782 ever used one of those tool on a sheet of plywood or any large less dense surface? say a particle board cabinet(bae or wall), further that by plywood, particle board, and others?
they're more or less a "speaker cone" for the tool and total degree of movement and tool noise becomes nullified by the giant speaker screaming :)
I also am in the Makita system, but I held off on their multi-tool. I may rethink that now... and may also consider getting an extra pin to tape to the inside of my toolbox lid. :) Many thanks.
Fein had the same pin idear about 8 years ago. The pin used to wear out quick so you could no longer keep the blade tight
Fein invented the Multitool back in the sixties and the Starlock system was an collaboration of Bosch AND Fein. Fein is often overseen, although they are the oldest German tool company and invented for example the first powerdrill ever! As far as I know is the Festool multitool also manufactered by Fein. I don‘t know the Makita multitool yet, but the anti vibration system of the Fein I owned is outstanding!
My old bosses fein multitool was incredible. So much power and speed it was a pleasure to use.
I didn't know that. It will be interesting to see how the Makita goes over time.
@@thorstenkrieger6289 that's awesome. I've only tried the Fein a handful of times and was impressed. Both Kameron and Gaston have one and they love it. I didn't know they went that far back. Cheers
I also have a Fein, and I love it :) , Fein general market is Metal industrie, have a angle grinder from them , small 125mm disk and 2000W it’s just a monster
I had this multitool for not even two weeks when something in the pin locking mechanism snapped off and made the tool unusable, i took it apart to see that the part was designed nowhere near as strong as it should have been considering the torque put on the part with the leaver which im guessing is what made mine give out. I sent it to makita to repair and ive been told that so many people have already been having the same problem so makita are having to redesign the part itself. And I can confirm the larger head does get in the way at times unlike others like the feintool that i had been using previously
Had mine a week, same thing. Was repair and back to me in 5 days. Great tool tho..
@@graemeb7988 Oof damn, inside? wjhere you have to send it somewhere to repair, thats a no go then.
My one doesn't work after 5-9 time of using it... Can not take the pin out...
dewalt system seems so much easier to use I've had mine 2 years and never had a problem and got me out of alot of hard work
Whilst watching I was thinking of making this same comment. No additional fasteners with the DeWalt. Pull handle, slide blade in / out, release handle. Easy.
Can only use one type of blade though
@@LukeSMK The system is well supported with a bunch of different blade styles and a few brands manufacturing the system. Only having the one fitment option has never been a problem for me.
J make check. Dewalt. Im locked on the batteries with them.
Yeah, I run the DeWalt as well. Cheap, easy, convenient, good accessories, cordless. No pin or bolt to lose.
The whole time watching this, I thought that pin is just an added unnecessary extra, and easily lost . You proved me right at the end. I really like dewalts clip on system.
When the pin was revealed I immediately thought 'Going to need to get 1 or 2 spares of the pin.'
I agree but I have never lost the pin on my gen2 makita multi tool. I envy the the ease of use of my dewalt cohorts though. Do you like the adjustle power trigger thing on the dewalt or the idea of the makita on/off better?
i have the dewalt battery multi tool with that "easy" blade install, sometimes at least on mine which is not even a year old, it gets tough to actually push it hard enough to open the jaws, and don't even get me started on trying to get that blade perfectly centered
Not much different than changing a disc on a battery grinder haven’t lost the collar on that yet touch wood
The immediate predecessor to starlock (in Fein world) was a pin system. I have found it to be better than the pinless starlock system when trying to set the angle of the blade in a tight spot.
I’d be interested to see if the larger head on the body of the new Makita gets in the way at all. Often you’ll be multi-tooling in an awkward or cramped space, the larger body head may cause issues.
he just made a valid point lol, look at the other multi tools theyre way slimmer than the new chode
That is definitely a valid concern. The solution to that may be to use the longer and overall larger Starlock max blades. I get why they designed it like that. Everything was squished to the business end and then the handle is decoupled from the body. With the cordless Fein/Festool models, you have to hold the tool all the way back at the battery to avoid the vibration.
I just came to comment this
My mate bought one, only found the size of the head to be a problem when it came to visibility in small spaces, seeing what im cutting
Most likely shaped that way to reduce the vibration
One of the best reviews I've seen in a long time. Informative, addictive, and fun. Kudos!!!
Losing the pin was back of my mind through the whole video. I feel like Makita missed the chance to include a second hole or a magnet for storing the pin during blade changes.
You could test the concept, use hot glue or something else temporary to put a strong magnet somewhere on the tool. New blade change order of operations would be: pull pin, store pin on magnet, change blade, reinsert pin.
If it works, drill a hole into the plastic body and epoxy a magnet, so it is flush and permanent.
If you're dumb enough to lose a pin DURING a blade change than you shouldn't be messing around with tools
@@hustla818 Or I am an engineer who has had to fix much more complicated tools/systems when other people's bad luck or momentary lapse in judgement causes non-tethered or non-secured parts to go missing. Go back to your cave troll.
@Kyle McLaren ok but it doesn't just disappear from the face of the earth. If you "lose" it somehow during the 3 seconds of changing the blade, just look around for 10 seconds and I'm sure you'll find it again. It has to be in your immediate vicinity. And you're an "engineer" who fixes tools when the owner loses a part? There is nothing to fix, you just buy the part that you lost. And you don't need an engineer to fix something so simple. You're the only troll here you're no engineer, you're probably a janitor or some other basic ass job. You're telling me if I lose this pin on the multi tool I'll need to hire an engineer to fix it? Or do I just buy a new one and put it back in. Gtfo you loser
@@hustla818 In a large enough commercial setting, dropped parts can essentially disappear. And with downtime costing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can't wait to "just buy the part". Especially for old machines where the manufacturer went out of business, or plans and technical manuals aren't available.
Obviously a pin isn't lost forever if it is dropped in a smaller workplace like home construction. But my work background influences the way I think, and to me, unsecured parts and tools are hazards.
I come to Scott's channel for the mellow vibes. It's sort of weird to see someone getting so defensive and accusatory in the comments, especially on a 1 year old video. Normally good people like Scott have fewer trolls int he comments. Are you okay? Do you need help?
Brother the seen at the table is priceless! I saw myself doing the same at my home. Hello to all the construction people in NZ from a Serb.
You + Jess = relationship goals! Not only is she kind enough to make lunch for you (with extra cheese), she allows you to have tools in the bedroom? Wow.
It's a sad state of affairs when there are tools in the bedroom.
It vibrates. Perfect for bedroom multi use
Did you forget the dishwasher after use requirements?
@@mrvincefox haha
Allows? Damn. Just damn.
The same happen to me when I explain woodworking things to my wife. Really nice explanation, I wish I had multitools available in my country.
Ever hear of amazon? 😂
i know this is probably blasphemy to say, but i think the ryobi multi-tool is actually one of the best. Quick release blade, and not only can you rotate the blade position, but you can also pivot the head in a number of different ways. Great for work in tight spaces
DeWalt have absolutely nailed the quick blade change mechanism on a multitool, simplicity in itself, when it comes to multi tools DeWalt have quick blade changes cracked, with a simple spring and lever mechanism. No manufacturer Bosch, Makita Worx, None of them come close to DeWalt.
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Have ryobi got better batteries these days?
I had a couple of ryobi tools and the battery really put me off the brand. But to be fair this was a long long time ago
I am a sparky. I would stick with the brands like Makita Hitachi, Milwaukee or Dewalt. Ozito, Ryobi, Black and Decker, and Stanley could last for only a few months of intensive usage. I have both Dewalt and Makita tools. People on site would argue about which brand was better. I would always say that people with big hands and stronger arms should go for dewalt, smaller hands people would be benefited from the makita’s ergonomic grip design.
My favourite tool change system on a Multi-tool is actually on a Ryobi! It uses the classic OIS blades, BUT instead of a bolt that you manually have to screw and unscrew every time, the bottom bolt is attached to a sprung lever which opens up enough gap to change the blade... I.e similar to your new Makita except the bolt is fixed in place so you don't have to take it out every time (and you can't lose it!).
That's not even the best feature though...
The entire tool head is also on an adjustable pivot so the blade can be up to 90˚ from the body which makes it super handy to get in tight spots.
So you have to use the blades with the split on the ring, to get around the bolt, right?
@@xenonram ideally, yes as it makes changing them quicker. But the top of the bolt also comes off if you want to use the full ring blades.
That tool explanation with Jess was funny - she looked like she was trying hard to feign interest in what you were talking about - personally, I couldn't stop looking at those burgers. lol
lmao
My fairly old Fein multitool (maybe 15 years) has a pin and lever mechanism too. Bit fiddly but works with all the blades I've thrown at it.
You talking to Jess while having lunch killed me😂
Fun fact about the new makita multitool, the motor is in a housing inside the tool, the housing has springs around it and that is why it vibrates less and also that is a reason why it makes less noise. Bte nice video Scott always love it bud!!!!👌👌
"Lock-down Scott Brown here" set me off. That was gold and I couldn't stop laughing.
Lol, I love your wife. Probably has no interest herself in any of the discussion, but she looks genuinly happy to just be talking to you about it and listening. The relationship I dream to have with someone where you both have different interests but are just genuinly interested in listening about the other explaining about it because of the love there.
Fein AMM 700 - no pin, and every starlock blade including Max.
i use also Fein MM700 and AMM700 and there is no comparsion to others , except to festool as i heard, and also Fein is the original inventor of these multi tools.
@@tsc2470 It looks like N.Z. Australia and America haven't heard about Fein.
@@tsc2470 As far as i know Festool collaborated with Fein to make their own Multitool.
FYI, Scott the Starlock system is a collaboration between Bosch and Fein. Also the Fein cordless Multimaster MM 700 Max here in the UK uses a similar latch system to the Bosch, so no pin but it can also take all 3 blade types the Starlock, Starlock Plus and Starlock Max.
It's also the best with the least amount of vibration. The engine is decoupled from the body. Too bad they are a bit expensive and have a relatively small eco system. Although I've read they joined the Bosch battery alliance. A Fein MM on a Bosch 4 Ah ProCore battery would be amazing and definitely my first choice.
@@macvosI also hope they join the battery alliance to. That would be the best solution for us customers. Only needing one battery platform and just buy the best bare tool for the job. It would also force the manufacturers to make more of an effort to make a better tool instead of just an ok one and rely on customers in their battery platform.
Jess needs a channel - that burger looked so delicious!!!
I've been watching content on your channel for a little over a year now, and I greatly appreciate how thorough you are with product (tool) reviews. Keep doing what you do, and thank you for all the great info and knowledge you pass on.
Thanks man appreciate it.
Scott, this is exactly how i talk to my wife and that is how she responds just like jess. Holy crap i was laughing
Body language was screaming "I really don't care lmao but I'll play along because I love ya".
This is good Scott, we like technical details, the most interesting part of this video, for me, was the difference in movement for each model. Keep coming with the details!
No this is lock down Scott
I have the Milwaukee m18 fuel. I’ve tried the festool but I didn’t like it much and I tried the Bosch but it was loud and had a lot of vibration. Never tried either Makita but I might try the new one when it comes to the US.
there is a third makita one that came out in between the ones shown in this video thats a combo of the two
Buy the Japanese made on Amazon jp if you can, far better manufacturing process and quality control
Scott just subscribed here in the USA. Love the video the new tool and the burger.
Awesome to have Jess (I think), a non tool user, to help with the video. She provided some comic relief and obvious question insight. LOL
Love it when your husband brings his tool on to the dining table, along with its accessories.
That's a beauty of burger; well done, Chef Jess!
About the decision to go with “Starlock…but with a pin”. I have the Fein that came just before starlock, Festool starlock (reskinned fein supercut) and have owned the Bosch starlock. With the pin models, it is very easy to adjust the blade angle on the fly. With the pinless starlock system, it is a real pain to dial in an angle in a tight spot. You have to keep removing the tool from the tight spot, remove the blade, lock the blade in again, try again, wrong angle, pull the tool out, remove the blade, and lock the blade in again…woof. Makita thought this one through. Rolling back to Fein’s previous locking pin while maintaining the enclosed Starlock interface with the optimized energy transfer is good stuff. The starlock interface wasn’t just about the quick connect function when introduced. It’s also about the ability to increase the applied power and swing arc. I’m not really interested in anymore LXT as I’ve gone all in on XGT. However, this Makita is looking better than my Feins…
Good analysis, seems everyone else missed the point of Makita's design.
The recent DeWalt ones have a nice system but I have no clue if they use starlock. The system itself is great though.
The Dewalt can use all of them, they include an adapter for starlock blades.
They shine with the open back blades though, you just pull the trigger lock and slip it in. So easy.
I have the dewalt it’s good as long as you have the strength to push the spring lever. And consumables are cheaper than star lock. There is also Bosch star lock for angle grinders
Yep, another vote for the Dewalt system, super fast, especially if you’re changing angles a lot to get a cut right.
Yeah I have to agree I have a Makita Renovator at but used a mates DeWalt Renovator and thought his was a lot better. easier blade change plus it had a LED
@@daves4026 that's X-Lock. Great system that Makita also started using
Awesome video - thx a lot here from Germany :) I'm into the Makita family and want to expand my range with a multitool. And now I know that I'll be going with the DTM 52
Got the Fein cordless 500 , it's great, I always have it in the van, but don't like using it for long due to the vibration (which is low compared to other brands) but it's essential for some small tasks, love it when I need it. Cheers
Well, noone likes to use multitools, they suck at everything they do but They're not replaceable
Have you ever had the chance to compare the Fein cordless to this new Makita? Was about to buy the Fein cordless, until Makita came out with this brushless motor. May go with the Makita now. People are saying good things about it’s power and very low vibration.
@Biggest Dongle yeah, I do like the Fein multi tool! 👍🏻
I Won’t lie Scott, I look up to you and Jess! You guys are amazing! I’m from Canada and our building practice and codes are very similar! And I’ve been following your practice for a while now Scott! You’ve thought me a lot and recommend a lot of tools and practice I use on the daily bases. Thank you
makita had the pin on the version in between those two, seems like they've just retained that for simplicity and multi-blade capability
Thanks bro, I just used this makita multitool to chisel some door frame and install security locks and I bought it because of your video. Install was a breeze and it cuts clean. I do need a new blade though because I thought it would do metal too but it does not haha
"I'm glad you asked". Wish my missus had as much patience as Jess when I talk about tools :')
Never understood the pin in the makita, even less now that they use a Starlock system.
I work in a hardware store where we have demo machines of the multi-tool on display and on both the screw has been stolen because people lose it. Bosch and Fein do it better with just the click system. I guess DeWalt has a similar thing where you thread it on from the side but you are limited to just their blades that have the slit in the back
there are 2 different patents. they just bout the usage of the Star-form. Not the fast fix function
@@GermanClimaxClan Bosch and Fein developed the Starlock system together. by the way bosch also developed the X-lock system. And Fein will be using Bosch 18V system soon.
I've used a Fein that used a similar pin system.
@@KriegerDelfin24 yesterday i read a lot of this topic. seems like thats the "solution" of making 3 types of blades compatible.
all’s I know all the common blades fit my dewalt
I have also the Bosch one and I figured out that you just need to widen the hole with a dremel and the STARLOCK MAX blades will fit in the PLUS one 😁. cheers from Austria
I've done the same before for my Fein but just used a slightly larger drill bit
I had Makita DTM52 recently. And its built quality is just awesome. Very sturdy. Robust. Lots of grip. Its internal design is also superior. It has double housing, one is isolated from another. The motor is directly Integrated into oscillator mechanism with all the necessary joints properly sealed.
Its head is that big because of antivibration system, and therefore you can hold the tool directly by its head (!), which gives a lot more control over the instrument.
Love it. Very good tool.
Brilliant. The Makita is one lost pin away from being a really handy paperweight.
They should have just used the same system as the Bosch cordless and put their weight behind one blade type.
They can sell replacement pin$.
The system is patented by Bosch/Fein. That's why nobody else has it.
@@Patrick-857 it's licensed. They could have used the same system the Bosch has, but they wanted to added versatility and add the pin.
@@clearlyconfused9194 I just got the new Makita. I love it so much that I just want to cuddle it. It's my new favourite tool. It's freaking amazing.
Your comment is ridiculous.. You are most likely an office worker who "occasionally " picks up a power tool to do something you saw on a television renovation program .
First of your videos I've ever watched. Got a milwaukee multi tool I never use😄 but I subscribed just cuz I likes the video🤷♂️
That burger looks spectacular! Need a second channel: *"Jess Brown Cooking"* .
You have just taught me about oscillation angle, Scooter.
Appreciate the lesson, brother.
Still think the DeWalt multi has the best blade change system out of all the major brands. So quick!
I was watching this video just thinking thank God I have a Dewalt one so easy-to-use.....
It's a bloody awful tool though. It vibrates, it wears plastic off where ot contacts your batteries and wrecks your batteries too, it gets really hot on the handle, it's not ergonomic, and the trigger wears out so you can't get a constant speed anymore. Triggers on multi tools are bad. They should have a switch and a variable speed dial like practically everyone else. I hate mine and I'm going to get a different brand one soon.
rockwell makes the best vibrator tool.i prefer over dewalt metabo bouschect triied many
What brand of blade lasted 2 jobs Scott..? As usual, excellent review!
That is what I would like to know, he talked about them but did not say what brand they are.
Kudo's to the wife. It's not something she doesn't seem to be naturally interested in, but she's so sweet trying to pay attention and understand what he's explaining, and why. My wife is just as sweet.
Same lever and pin type blade retention as my 15 year old corded Fien multimaster. Still works great!
The Dewalt quick release mechanism on their multi tool is awesome.
Great review as usual. 👍👍
Personally it's the variable speed trigger control that dewalt have that I like about them. My go to multitool over the apprentices dewalt and my 18v makita tho Is my m12 milwaukee. Quietest, just as strong as both 18v and less vibrating
100% agree you get the quick change lever, can adjust blade to 90 degrees quickly but still use the cheaper blades.
They burn out to easy
i've found it hard to get those blades to be at an absolute straight 0 degree mine always is slightly off to the left or right, especially with cheap blades but even the most expensive ones it still doesn't fit perfectly straight, and at times getting my jaw to open and release the blade becomes a hassle
@@orran8281 found exactly the same
Fein uses the bolt system as well. My Fein multi tool is probably 15 years old and still running strong after hundreds of jobs! Bummer to hear NZ is back on lockdown, looks like you're making the best of it.
Hey Scott, thanks for the very in-depth analysis it was very informative.
All 3 brands you mentioned love it when we buy multiple of the same tool from different manufacturers - there's always the chance you'll convert, right!
And you should enjoy your tools because they're awesome and sometimes the main reason we carry on doing the hard work.
One thing I've learned though over the years is a tool is just an extension of our hands. My grandad was a very respected carpenter and he only had the axe, the circular saw and the handsaw. He could basically jump on a bus to get to work. And he managed just fine all his life.
Just a thought for us all to consider. I still love my extensive range of Makitas and I wouldn't swap that for the bare necessities. We're just very spoiled nowadays.
Have a great weekend!
As far as I can tell, the post on the Makita enables use of blades with fully enclosing holes as well as potential backwards (and, with the right adaptor, universal) compatibility with older blades and blades from other manufacturers. For example the 'as seen on TV', at least in NZ, Renovator. I could be wrong and more than happy to be corrected. Just starting to try to figure this all out. And this video was most helpful for that. Thanks.
I live in the netherlands and here we have an open style blade. This way you can change the blade without having to remove the bold conpletely. This seems way more convenient then the new makita starlock.
came in here to say this. i have that makita 18v older style but with the lever. for blades with a slot in the "foot" just slide it in without removing the bolt and lock 'er down. but having a starlock max blade for deep cuts sounds nice. also the old makita is loud AF
Emile, the starlock system holds the blades better, more force to them, which means faster and powerfull cutting.
Mate that rubber grip is going to be a welcome relief, in the past I've done 3 days of using one to cut up stadium tri board flooring. My hands, forearms were tingly for about a week
I watched this video at least 4 times, classic episode “well I’m glad you asked” 😂
After many years of struggling I finally picked up a Makita dtm52-something and jumped on the starlock bandwagon. Bit fiddly withe the pin but the tool is pretty light, and gets the job done for a reasonable price. Would be good if the next version reorients the battery like the Bosch tool.
To bad there are no accesories available like a depth stop or plunge guide for the makita models.
like the Festool and the Fein multitools have
I’m an Electrician in the US and we use all Milwaukee tools for battery compatibility, except for our multitool (which we either call an oscillating saw or an oocher) which is a Dewalt, such a handy tool
Those burgers looked fantastic.
I'm just curious, since my experience is with a Dremel multitool originally that had the annoying bolt for the blade retention, and now these days with a DeWalt cordless, which has a simple lever that allows you to quickly change the "normal" style blades in like two seconds but I don't think it will accept a starlock blade, so is there a really good reason to use starlock? Are the blades cheaper, or better or what?
+1 on this question … hope to hear some advice/thoughts
I like how narrow my older Makita multitool is to get into tight spaces. But by far the worst part of it is that the Allen Key retainer fails to retain the key when the tool is vibrating. MASSIVELY obvious oversight in my eyes!
I think Fein adapted the Starlock system, as well, but their first tool had a quick release before everyone else.
Fein actually invented the system not Bosch
And frankly I would love to see someone make an adapter to run non Starlock blades on Fein, or Bosch or other Starlock systems. They are cheaper by far and some third party ones are as good or better than the Europeans
@@wisemay5895 absolutely. The exclusivity of the Starlock system makes it difficult to adapt to many other styles. Incidentally, you can fit Starlock on Non Starlock tools (if they have the universal fitment style), but not the other way around.
The issue with using third party cheaper non starlock blades is the slack that comes with them when mounted on the machines head through an adaptor, causing faster damage of the vibrating mechanical parts in the head. This happened quite a bit on the old system. The third party starlock blades we have in the EU today all come from the same factory as the Fein-Bosch blades do.
Fein invented the multi tool, the Starlock system and anti vibration head first
I just went with the Festool for simplicity's sake, and I hate losing pins (which happens with other tools or gear that depends on something like that). Thanks for the video as usual!
someone has money haha
Still think dewalt has the superior multi tool, quick change lever for the blades and paddle style variable trigger. Very quiet too
As a makita guy, I'd have to agree with you. Dewalt's blade change is much better than anything makita has. I am hoping Makita will catch on eventually but this new release is disappointing. I just don't understand what they were hoping to achieve. My guess is there is some deal between them and bosch to boost blade sells of starlock types. I see no other reason for them to do something foolish like this.
@@hotbam37 My guess is it's down to patents, dewalt have patented that type of blade change, hence why no other tool company does it. If they wish to have the same style system, they would have to pay some sort of fee etc
that's my perfect date. a quality meal and explaining tools and why I bought them lol
Thank god Scott isn't in Teaching.. That burger is making me hungry.. just eat it already :D
Just bought the DTM52Z this summer, absolutely use it for everything, got the bosch blades. amazing bit of kit
im watching this as a 20 year old that still lives at home, just dreaming of owning my own arsenal of 40v makita tools. soon future self......... soon.
I'm replying to this as a 36 year old who's managed (over many years) to purchase a very full set of Makita 18v and 36v tools just warning you that by the time you do manage to accumulate a full set of 40v tools there will inevitably be an 80v line up released.......the chase never ends
@@greenreaper1985 oh its already begun. I have a 40v impact ONLY becaise my dad and I couldn't find an 80v impact, or as I like to call it, the "I wasn't asking" impact 😂.
I’m watching this as a 20 year old in my own home with an arsenal of ryobi 18v tools checking out the competition
Great coverage with a bit of comedy to boot. Keep up the good work!
I was so excited about this but accidentally dropping the pin from the top of a ladder is disappointing.
My XMT03Z here in the US has had the pin lock mechanism for at least four years. I've never seen one like the one you have there in NZ. The pin lock mimics the way Fein does it. Never seen anyone loose the pin but have seen them get buggered up. We sold them as standard replacement parts at the store i worked at for a while
How much does the replacement pin cost? 99% of the multi-tool?
Thanks Scott. I bought a Makita (Allen key) version a few months ago for DIY. Its good but I seem to be going through the blades. Do you resharpen your blades? Cheers Alan from Australia
Loved this episode, found it funny and well made. Thanks for the tips and insight on the 3-4 tools mentioned. I personally think the Milwaukee 12v multi tool with the Milwaukee blade it comes with is one of the best I've ever used, don't know about the starlock function, but it doesn't bother me when it cuts so well.. keep up the awesome vids 🤟
You and the missos banter was really cute. Love it. Great video mate.
In today’s exciting episode, Jess shows more interest in Burgers than multi tools 😁
I have had the corded Fein Multimaster since 2011. I love that when I need it available it is there to do the jobs that other tools just can't. From what I gather Fein tools had the original star lock with a pin, but their patent on the oscillating multi-tool ran out in 2010 or 2011. That was when we saw the emergence of oscillating saws from all the other brands.
I don’t remember what Fein called their previous pin system but it certainly wasn’t Starlock. Bosch came to Fein to work on Starlock together as Bosch was keen to get in on that sweet sweet consumable $$$ that was about to open up for them. The “pinless” design has it’s cons, however, and I’m guessing Makita was privy to this. It certainly wasn’t cost reasons. Both mechanisms cost the same. Royalty wise, it’s still starlock branded and I’m figuring Bosch waves that anyway.
15yr old multimaster still has the most power for the harder cuts. Imo.
Wait until Scott realises it's fein who make a snap on type, cordless and starlock max
Bosch and Fein both own the Starlock standard. Fein adopted all of the standards that they and Bosch developed. That's why the cordless Fein MT uses the same batteries as Bosch. The Makita in this video, the Fein, and the Bosch all use the Starlock system, but with slight variations. (Except Makita pays Bosch/Fein to use the Starlock standard.)
@@littlejackalo5326 interesting, didn't know that
I'm on the Milwaukee platform, but wanted a brushless multi tool a couple years ago and bought the bosch Starlock 18v. The vibration and loudness plus the price on blades was a bad decision. Bought the new Milwaukee brushless M18 and it's day and night when it comes to speed, anti vibration and sound, also the blades are way cheaper. The bosch has been sitting in the bench for a year now with no use.
The cordless Bosch vibrates so bad it flings the battery off. It’s good to hear positive comments on the M18 model.
No mention of (FIEN) the people who invented the multi tool and who make festools version and still the best 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
😂😂😂 I have two as well
I have both the corded and 18v cordless FEIN. The cordless starlock one blows the corded one away.
@@deansmith5678 This is not history channel now is it?🧐
Nobody cares otherwise it would have been brought up
Makes no sense
That shot with all the blades and tools in your hands and dropping blades as you walk is soooooo relatable 😂😂😂
The DeWalt has a click lock and works with the old standard of blades with no tool to tighten it just clamps on.
Pity it's terrible design that vibrates your hand to bits, with a trigger that wears out from vibration and becomes uncontrollable, and a body shape that makes it extremely awkward to use.
I regret owning it. I now run Dewalt and Makita so I will be changing over to Makita soon, as multi tool is one of my most used tools.
Great system with the Pin. I have the Ryobi which has a quick lock. Also pretty good.
I have the bosch cordless as I have the bosch batteries so I'm all bosch, pretty happy with it although it is very loud.
For me bosch wins cause their procore batteries are far better in my humble opinion.
Chur from Te Kuiti
The look and reaction of your girlfriend during the explanation about the starlock system is priceless and oh so recognizable
I can’t find even a mention of this tool in the states. Looks like it’s unavailable any place other than a tiny island in the middle of nowhere. Looks like they might be doing a beta test or something. Great place to do it. Small number of users, controlled area, easy to keep an eye on where they are and how they’re working out.
They're in Australia
In my 30 years as a carpenter, Makita has never done anything nor been silly. Everything Makita does is for a purpose and if they get it wrong, they will ask for and absorb your criticism or suggestions. However, I do also love my Bosch and Milwaukee tools. The Milwaukee also has a great blade locking system.
Mostly true, but Makita 18v nailers are not very good. They are heavier, less reliable, and poorly engineered overall compared to Hitachi/Metabo HPT and Milwaukee. There are a few other Makita duds but to my knowledge the nailers are the main shame on Makita. Generally Makita has the best ergonomics but that is not true from this multitool or it's predecessor. I think Makita has the best 18v platform (I have almost everything from them including yard equipment) but I got on M12 for rotary tool, pin nailer, stapler, mini (but powerful) recip, installation drill, affordable right angle impact, slim multitool, upcoming 2" planer, and still considering mini bandsaw. These are all tools that don't compare from LXT (or don't exist at all) from Makita. So much better to not rely on one battery platform. LXT and M12 together gives me everything but a brad nailer so I went with Metabo HPT b/c it's the lightest and a smaller platform, so less tempting to get carried away (compared to M18). It there's an M12 brad or better LXT brad then I may sell the Metabo HPT tools. Most of my corded are Makita also, with a few Wen if they get 5* reviews (such as the slim sander at a fraction of the Makita cost)
Jess makes a mean burger.
....oh yeah there were tools in this video somewhere.
Be curious to see the cutting performance with that vibration dampening system. I have Dewalt multi tool (and Festool ordered) and feel like the cutting performance goes down when I apply too much pressure or the vibration/oscillation is transferred back into the tool. Allowing the tool to move inside the grip looks like would make that worse but I can’t say for sure until I see it first hand