Arnold B. Scheibel - What Makes Brains Conscious?
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- Everything we know, think and feel-everything!-comes from our brains. But consciousness, our private sense of inner awareness, remains a mystery. Brain activities-spiking of neuronal impulses, sloshing of neurochemicals-are not at all the same thing as sights, sounds, smells, emotions. How on earth can our inner experiences be explained in physical terms?
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Arnold B. Scheibel is a Professor of Neurobiology and Psychiatry and former Director of the Brain Research Institute (BRI) at UCLA.
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He would have been around 90 years old when this was made. Imagine still being that sharp of mind, articulate and inquisitive at that grand old age.
You impressed with that? I’m 50 years old, and I can almost always find my glasses when I wake up in the morning
surely has to be a link with how active his brain was because of his life-long work/research?
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That was my brain he was holding and it was a humbling experience indeed.
This man makes the hard problem of consciousness much easier to understand. I would love to be his student.
Consciousness isn't in the brain. Look to the near death experience literature for the answers.
he still has not given proof that brain produces consciousness.
merely correlations. next....
Correlation is not Causation. The brain might be just a very complex "space suit", that allows consciousness to operate in the reality we find ourselves in, as far as science knows at the moment. There is not yet a single piece of evidence that proves the brain actually produces consciousness itself. None.
@@jamenta2 quite agree. Just theories and speculation.
@@jamenta2 Correlation/causation argument is another way of saying we don't understand what the heck is going on with consciousness. I cannot accept this argument as my personal first person experience contradicts it completely. Then there is the ever growing near death experience literature with highly detailed accounts which continued way beyond when all brain activity ceased. There's obviously more to the story. I love science but the claim that science is close to solving the mystery of consciousness is ridiculous. Consciousness is not computational, says Roger Penrose. This man is a genius and we should take his ideas seriously. The people Robert interviews here are just going around in circles. My own psychic experiences tells me there's more to it as it's not that simple anymore to suggest that the brain gives rise to consciousness and science is sure about it. There maybe no answer in science. The conscious subject may be eternal. Such concepts are not new and Advaita Vedanta was talking about it even going back to 7th century in ancient India.
What an amazing information session, I learned so much about the questions I’ve often asked myself.
If you look at different aspects of the universe and all there is in it - including what we call consciousness - there is one thing that is present and obvious throughout. Hierarchy. From quarks to atoms to molecules to planets, stars and galaxies. But we also know from our own experience that there are different types of hierarchies. The second type of hierarchy (which isn't conceptually associated with anything materialistically tangible) is the hierarchy of consciousness - thoughts, feelings, reason, logic etc. Physical life is another hierarchy where we go from living cells, to organisms, to plants, to animals and to humans. That seems to me to be the hierarchy and it does appear that in our world the highest form of consciousness is afforded to human experience. But since consciousness has no bounds and no limitations because it cannot be measured or quantified we can safely assume that there may indeed be consciousness infinitely higher than our own. What that is or whether we can attain an even higher consciousness than that afforded to us as humans is an open question but theoretically it is possible.
In a 12 minute discussion with a brilliant neuroscientist such as Arnold B. Scheibel you get more information about the biological nature and neural mechanics of consciousness than a lifetime of metaphysical hand waving.
@@visancosmin8991 The mind is what the brain does. You should take in and try to understand what is currently know and appreciate that rather as is so often the care rush on and say " We don't have the final truth so end of discussion". The really hard work takes time.
@@visancosmin8991 yeah just like u having a dad is just an idea
Thank you for this great video
This has got to be one of my favorite videos on consciousness, thank you
@@visancosmin8991 So that we can avoid unnecessary confusion, can you provide your definition of consciousness here?
I recommend checking out Mark Solms, for example The Source of Consciousness - with Mark Solms
@@visancosmin8991 nope. consciousness is an organism's awareness of it's environment. "God knowing itself" gibberish much?
Consciousness is…
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
Great questions and Great answers!
Recently I learn it from meditation Guru. Meditation level goes like this:
(1) Akash Tatva: Meditator experience space, time & matter. Deeper is
(2) Manas Tatva: At this state he know everything happening in his mind. Not out there in space, time & matter. Deeper than this is
(3) Ahankara Tatva: I am experiencing it. Ego issue: Deeper than this is
(4) Maha Tatva: Over coming ego issue. "I" problem. Deeper than this is
(5) Pakruti Tava: This is all part of nature (Prakruti). There is no right, no wrong, no truth, no lies, no beauty or beast. Realization it is part of nature (Prakruti)
Multiple tiers of feedback loops in the body and brain, maybe? Love this channel!
Thanks for posting; appreciate. v
The I-ness can also disappear while there's a lot of stress going on (psychosis for example). With that experience the consciousness seems to be a puzzle in which each piece represents an active cognitive function with some sort of feedback loop for each piece. Due to stress, those can individually malfunction or even turn off temporarily until the consciousness as a whole becomes reduced to not more than a reflex.
I is main premise of consciousness and it is inseparable. We are eternaly individuals. And there is no question of reducing anything. All reductions are just our imaginary impositions on reality.
I'd love to hear more thoughts from such real-world practitioners as Arnold Scheibel. Scheibel's facial expressions in response to Mr Kuhn's interpretations of his words, such as when he glanced down briefly after initially agreeing with what Kuhn just said (10:28) provided fascinating clues into his own thought processes.
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
@@taowaycamino4891 He simply tells his understanding of what conciousness means. Actually it was basic enough for young people to comprehend too. RIP
One of the most amazing discussion I have heard about brain and consciousness. I found Dr. Scheibel to be very impressive and very informed.
'I Am A Strange Loop', by Douglas Hofstadter, is an excellent explanation of consciousness.
Very good one! Hypnosis and hypnotherapy would be a good follow up. NLP too. In my opinion.
Very good answers in the emergent side of the field. Very interesting
Consciousness is so many things--awareness, learned behaviour, it facilitates communication, memory, allows thinking forward, historical perspectives, discernment, dou,bt, emotion, anger, fear--all a consolidation of all we know and all we ever hope to become. The brain supports it, and the body provides the supp'ort. The great unanswered question is, where does all this capacity come from? It doesn't exist anywhere in the cosmos other than on planet Earth. I favor intelligent design in providing everything it takes to support consciousness and the free will that comes with it.
If that is not the most scientifically integral definitions of consciousness that anyone has provided, I don't know what is! Wow. This type of humbleness and clarity in thought and speech stems from a fruitful and rich life. Thousand thanks for great video.
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RLK, would really want to see you interview "Dr RV Ramachandran" on this topic.
This was the most clear and likely answer to this complicated question I have heard so far and I’ve heard many. Very interesting and well done interview!
What was clear?
What a wonderful teacher.
This explaining is very deep level! If there have videos of brain working with the explanation that would be more helpful to understand the brain working!
I think he is right. If all our thoughts and other abilities come from the brain, this very complex and not fully understood organ, why would't this awareness and inner life come from there too, it is just the simplest assumption.
@@visancosmin8991 I think there is no reason to be sure about that. I also think that it is a far-fetched assumption.
@@visancosmin8991 I don't have to, it is a fact.
Can you prove it dosen't? Imagine trying to prove that in a court of law, it would be quite funny.
It'd be nice to know when all these segments were originally filmed when CTT uploads a video.
Perhaps consciousness is an energy that's ever present in the universe and beyond and the brain is a receptor enabling us to experience it.
Perhaps.......i remain agnostic, sadly
Panpsychism
Sounds good. Thanks. v
In this case, it is consciousness that experiences the brain, and not the other way around.
@iarguephilosophy Panpsychism is an interesting concept - pity there is a total lack of evidence to support it.
Exactly, the brain itself makes it conscious , that is how it has evolved.........it happens in other animals too.
No. Look up Bernardo Kastrup. Matter can't suddenly create consciousness.
@@laisa. Who said anything about "suddenly " ? It took billions of years mate.
If you don't believe in "suddenly" Genesis was very sudden .....but you have no problem thinking that naive fairy tale is true.
@ADDAM DUY HO? We humans are animals just like ANY other animal on earth, yes we are far more advanced than all the other animals BUT we are still animals 99% the same as chimpanzees and 60% the same as a rat, so why should we humans have any special evolved mechanism to give us life after death ?
This life after death idea was invented by ancient men who arrogantly ( and ignorantly ) thought we were so special that we must have been made by a God in Gods image and so special that we couldn't possibly have only one life.
It is a nice thought, but there is not one jot of evidence to believe such an idea, the only thing that makes us WANT this life after death is from a naive 2000 year old book written by men who were religious obsessives who invented stories and persuaded people to believe them on the premise that they were getting messages from their invented God ( one of many Gods that humans have invented to worship)
It is all nonsense. When we die that is it ! ........grow up and get used to it .....stop looking for comfort in religion after death, it is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on humanity .
@@chechen1001Many horrible things are true.
Thank you so much. It is amazing.
Anyone who sees a jellyfish chasing, catching and eating prey with no discernible brain. finds It quite difficult to see it as not being conscious. Big brains do not seen to me to be prerequisite to consciousness.
right all life forms are conscious. But humans are the only ones who think they are special.
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
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So what is your explanation...?
Slime molds have no brains or stomachs yet no one is foolish enough to say they have no consciousness. They may have no self-consciousness or what passes as intelligence or thought; but no consciousness ? Then how do they interact with the world that we have consciousness of?
It is not fully science until it is proven and the mechanism explained clearly, but I suspect that your hunch is correct. Probably also plants are to some degree self-aware, without needing a brain. This may relate to the question, "Is consciousness fundamental? "
I’m not sure damaging a certain part of the brain is a matter of reducing consciousness then it is just a process of unlearning. In other words through neural plasticity, a person young enough with damage to that same section of the brain may be able to recover and see both sides . Recovery cases like that have happened before
Consciousness was not reduced, only what the patient was conscious _of_ was reduced.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL I agree and not only that, seeing and awareness is a learning process, not organic. And in fact it’s been shown that learning complicated things actually increases the organic tissue of the brain. So it could be that consciousness and abstract learning created the brain rather than the other way around
@@MrSanford65 Not sure 'bout that but early instinct driven civilization and its growing language eventually hit on the being conscious process as a means to do civilization better that we could make more people. Seems to have worked as we are obviously conscious and there are an awful lot of us.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL If there was a beginning, consciousness could only emerge as a process of knowing that we were something other than flesh and blood. A detached self-awareness
@@MrSanford65 I believe that when the word 'self' was first introduced to language, its meaning began the being-conscious-process. The word 'self', like all words, is essentially an analogy. Both analogies and the being-conscious-process are abstract entities and therefore immaterial. But neither could exist without a substrate of neural activity in a way analogous to the way a painting exists on a canvas substrate.
What LSD & beer do is adjust the function of the neural substrate causing our thought/analogies to be modulated and so the world looks different to us.
What I've written is an extremely condensed version of bicameral theory. You are familiar with it if you've been watching Westworld on TV.
..and another really fascinating CtT short, though I admit I'm totally out of my depth on particular brain functions within consciousness. The professor's divulgence on the nucleus reticularis thalami caught my attention after several listens. Having recently started caring for person's under the Autistic Spectrum, I'm guessing this part of the brain is where, within their confused minds, the nucleus reticularis thalami is under-developed or damaged in some way (anyone who can point this out I'd be most grateful 🙏). Aren't we all so lucky for researcher's and key professionals to share such depth in knowledge, so quickly, thanks to the Internet?!..
The Function & Intelligence categories prove God created Man with a body & soul. Jesus confirm with His virgin birth that the Mind of Man is body & soul, the body is the Mind of Man he is alive, the Body is the Nature of Man ... and the body(Nature) has been corrupted.
Consciousness is simply a function ... of the MIND ... of an entity.
The mind of an animal is the brain.
The mind of Man is the body & soul ...but the body s the mind when Man is alive, and the soul becomes the mind when the body dies.
The brain is a physical function(machine) ... which can be made & functioning correctly, or can be damaged, break down and not functioning correctly at all. Consciousness relies on the brain machine working correctly. But the Mind of Man is more than the brain. The Soul can not be damaged or not function correctly or breakdown. It records everything the body thinks & does ...... until the body dies ... then the soul becomes the Mind of a person with free will, nature & consciousness.
The mind of Man can be trapped in a malfunctioning, damaged or deteriorating brain. The the Soul will always be who a person really is.
@@abelincoln8885 You assert that Souls exist.
I don't believe they do.
Please, tell me how to verify that they do.
In both Autism and ADHD, the person may have trouble filtering extraneous stimuli, including thoughts. Autism seems more focused on sensory and gestalt while ADHD seems more focused on thoughts.
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
Yes. When Robert said 'overwhelmed' I thought of autism.
A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'...
My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing awakenings since my NDE...
Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave.
The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist.
For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is.
Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment.
The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’.
On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication.
For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
Roger Penrose says that consciousness is not a calculation, pointing to quantum effects in neurons. On the other hand Michio Kaku takes the position that consciousness is the manifestation of many feedback loops in the brain. My intuition tells me Kaku is probably correct. It's a bit disappointing that there may not be some kind of cosmic magic involved with consciousness, but the simplest case is often correct.
Some one please relate this to ADHD and Fibromyalgia. That would also be an interesting video to make those kinda correlations. Thank you for making these video's with Dr. Scheibel, he is very easy to learn from and well spoken. These where informative and a pleasure to listen to with a light of understanding. You can tell by watching he must have been either a great teacher and loved what he did in a special way or was a master actor!
Energy efficiencies and conservation have played a vital role in evolution. Thinking is energy intensive and why we offload that process, both internally and externally. This answers the question of why so many allow others to do the thinking for them; it's an energy conservation strategy.
I must’ve missed the part where he explains how brain matter or any type of matter produces consciousness 😁
seems often enough that the video and description don't correlate so well with the conversation
the open up a few channels in that nucleus reticulus thalimus of yours and watch again 😛
@@visancosmin8991 Then what does that make you? A spiritualist that merely believes that consciousness is a grander thing and searches no further?
He didn't explictly say it, but from the conversation you can infer that although there are still many mysteries about consciousness, they believe it is the result of the many neuronal circuits of the brain acting together as a whole. People often think that there should be a specific or central part of the brain which houses the consciousness, but it's not necessarily true. The brain may actually be an exemple of the saying "greater than the sum of its parts".
I don’t purport to be an accomplished academic so I will refrain, I just didn’t like how you seemingly easily labelled people as materialists and dismissed their understanding of what consciousness is like that, but I’ll apologize if’s that’s not what you meant. Spiritualists are simply people who only believe in supernatural powers or that the soul exists on a different plane and is generally a label that is put on someone like "materialists". Brain is not a fabrication, it is merely a separation made by researchers to design an area of the body for ease of designation. As to what its relation is with consciousness, I think you are going a little overboard by saying it doesn’t exist, since it was easily proven that touching the brain affects consciousness. I’d like you to elaborate on that if you have the time.
I can't remember listening to Dr. Schibel prior to this video BUT it was a thoroughly enjoyable learning experience..A true genius in his field. Here we have a purely naturalistic explanation of awareness which does not appeal to mystical or supernatural influencers..Great stuff..Peace .
Imagine his surprise the day that he 'dies' and finds out that he has it ALL wrong. If you wish to study consciousness, then you have to find a way to dissect the Mind of God. Good luck and blessings upon you.
@@garychartrand7378 you dont know squat shove those blessings
@@garychartrand7378 Gary I bet you can hardly wait. Let us all know how it turns out. You will join a very long line of believers. I often wonder reading comments such as yousr where this kind of thinking comes from, any clues in your history?
@@garychartrand7378 In your opinion friend, do our pets or any other animals have souls that survives death, or just humans?
@@visancosmin8991 If you did NOT see the broad strokes of a viable explanation for awareness here friend, then I would refer you to Simon and Garfunkel's famous line: "A man hears what he wants to hear and DISREGARDS the rest.." Peace to you..
He said a lot without saying anything. He didn’t mention self awareness which seems to be a threshold for sentience and is much more than reactions to external inputs.
Yes, he neglected to link neural activity and analogy maintenance / analogy interaction.
Perhaps he knows of the danger that lies in that direction.
I was waiting for the answer to a question: Where in the brain succeds the thought: " I am "
I beleive that is the perfect description of self conscience...
Nice neuroanatomic talk. The lesion that causes neglect of part of the body is called agnosia, most commonly due to stroke.
Thank you for that lesson-of-the-day. v
I think that’s called asomatognosia
Stunning
I wonder how many times this man has held a brain in his hands to explain things.
Seems like a pretty cool job.
Very interesting.
The moment a particle is a wave; it has to be a conscious wave! Gravity is the conscious attraction among wave to create the illusion of particles, and our experience-able Universe.
Max Planck states "Consciousness is fundamental and matter is derived from Consciousness". Life is the Infinite Consciousness, experiencing the Infinite Possibilities, Infinitely. We are "It", experiencing our infinite possibilities in our finite moment. Our job is to make it interesting!
Yoga helps one lie on a bed of nails without pain.
Acupressure therapy is similar for helping in some neurological probs.
Consciousness ( sensory input and cultural interpretation) is how we experience our self and our relationship with the world. Since we have imagination associated with consciousness, our interpretation is varied from individual to individual. How can we employ consciousness to transcend its selective nature?
How can we alter consciousness in order to access its freshness, beyond conditioning?
Conscienceless is the interaction of both internal and external stimuli - it only exists when certain parts of the brain are stimulated through chemical interaction
If we make an identity theory between qualia and structures in the brain: what exactly would qualia be identical to? To a certain activity of the brain, or maybe to states of the brain?
Ofc there's activity associated with conscious experience, but what is the role of activity? Is it literally identical to conscious experience, or is it's role just to bring up certain states, arrangements of matter, in the brain, which are identical to conscious experience.
"but what is the role of activity?" We are living creatures. Activity is life, if one is not moving one is dying or dead. You need to go way back to the birth of complex creatures and competition and ecology. Starts with awareness, evolves into homeostasis, evolves into emotion and impulses, awareness, consciousness, memory and learning, self awareness, and so on and so forth. Our human consciousness has a cherry on top, but the rest of the sundae, ice cream, nuts, sauce, whipped cream {mammals ;-) } we share with other creatures, we need to learn to be less full of ourselves.
PS, for a good time: TH-cam search: "The Source of Consciousness - with Mark Solms" + "Consciousness and the Mind Body Connection - Professor Mark Solms"
I think his point that there is a summation point in the brain for all of these parts of the neocortex. He reference this as the reticular formation which is deep in the brain. Dr Mark Solms has some excellent work on this.
@@petermiesler9452 but isn't activity just a sequence of states in time? If ultimately there are just states, constantly updating themselves, is activity even real? And if it's not real, but rather a human construct, can it be the fundamental substrate of conscious experuence? What is even the process, by which states "update" themselves? Movement? Energy transfer? Why should conscious experience be identical with whatever activity? And isn't the process, by which states update themselves, not itself a state in time?
@@marcopony1897 Are you a mind or a body? How could this be a human construct, look at computer games to see what humans are capable of constructing. Try going without drinking or eating or breathing or sleeping etc to find out how real flesh and blood is.
Look at how many of our attempts to "fix" nature always seem to backfire because of unforeseen consequences, that in hindsight usually seems blindingly obvious.
I don't think that highly of myself. I'm just another biological creature, probably the greatest Earth ever created, yet still totally a biological creature built upon an ancient body plan and destined to meld right back into this Earth.
I believe it's impossible for us to 'logic' our way to a serious Theory of Consciousness.
That's why I believe in Evolution, biology and allowing facts to paint the picture for us.
What Prof. Arnold think about sleep paralysis
Index of suspicion: If it doesn't occur to you think of something, it is not possible to think it.
There are so many ideas in the universe. We as a group and each individually only have a small subset of those ideas. All the other ideas are not available to the group or the individual, and the idea will never get thought.
So the more ideas that are available to you, the larger you're index of suspicion and that of the group you are in, the more conscious you are. #Math #ScienceIsASubsetOfMath #YouCanCountWithoutScinceBut...
I really like that someone this intelligent can say "I may be wrong" but with current understanding this is the what in a question and makes it so much more interesting to pay attention to for then that I may grow as a sentient being to be a better part of the whole of existence. Please know I see the entire universe as God's body, a God that is a recreative force that is unaware of you and I nor itself.. To accept this is to live in the way of existence as a mere part with a dream that some (like near 0 and less than 1%) becoming a realize being living in a position of there choice...
It's indeed closer to the truth. We are conscious enough to perceive ourselves and our personalities, and this is an exciting part. If you close your eyes, you can imagine your multi-self universe. Still, you can be a judge and negotiate between all these parts, which may disconnect you (the method of integrative psychotherapy, it can alter states of your mind and it works). There is always your "true self", which speaks to others. I believe your brain produces it, but at the same time, it's connected as a node to a higher self and unconscious, cosmos, so to speak, like he describes a baby by its 1-year-old; that's why we may experience synchronicity, see signs, connectivity with others and events in the world. I had a spiritual awakening in 2020, which was a life-changing experience. We are part of the universe, and it's a delusion that we are separated from it. After death, we become a part of the unconscious/cosmos. Information about us is written there as a source that provides the necessary information to other people from our circle during their unconscious experiences like dreams.
Cuckoo for coconuts!😂
@@d.r.tweedstweeddale9038 you are.
I would describe it differently, but yeah, I agree with you. We are one with the Universe because EVERYTHING comes from God. Ergo, we are one with God. I have had personal experience of this. Some may say that this is not proof but my personal experiences are MY Truth - and that's good enough for me.
@@garychartrand7378
"I have had personal experience with this" I don't believe you
@@visancosmin8991 I didn’t make any claims gomer. You aren’t very good at this
My God that guys brilliant
Usually the simplest answers are the best answers. Whenever someone tries to explain what consciousness is from the materialistic view, the mental hoops they jump through are enormous, and the theories never sound very compelling. Their theories always contain like 12 different functions all working together with a whole bunch of complicated words to form their opinion on consciousness. What if it's much more simple?
I tend to lean towards everything emanating from consciousness instead of the brain and body somehow firing in a way that creates consciousness, the consciousness first model (not a real thing just made it up). This would mean that consciousness is independent from the body and brain and that matter is derived from consciousness and not the other way around, this makes everything so much more simple.
Everything in the universe is made out of matter=energy=consciousness, leading to a theory that all is consciousness, there is no separation. This would answer the question of what consciousness is, it's everything, it's life, it's what allows us to exist and experience. Without consciousness, there is no experience, there is no life. Therefore the answer to what consciousness is would be the source of the universe, existing beyond time and space and outside the physical limitations of the body.
Sounds like Deepak Chopra woo woo
I would think that even all explanations as to what consciousness is (to our complex brains) fall under our brains BIG EXPERIENCE, as we look outward (and inward), as we try to make sense of our perceived reality (our world).
We do not know matter is so a materialistic explanation does explain consciousness. Just because you do not find the explanation compelling does not mean it's not true it just means that you do not like the explanation.
The Cosmos transcendent because all theories are measured against the Cosmos in order to determine if they are valid. This means that matter exists independently of the mind with consciousness being derived from matter. This makes everything more simple because there is no assumption of the non physical. realm that we cannot interact with. Also we do not have to postulate a supernatural realm where Gods and spirits reside. We do not know what the Cosmos is at best we can say that the Cosmos is the Infinite Transcendent Reality.
@@rickwyant I don't watch Deepak Chopra and my suggestion is an unprovable, unmeasurable theory. However, what I do know is the smartest minds in the world have tried to figure out consciousness from the materialistic point of view and no one has even come close to being successful. Still absolutely no one understands what consciousness is or where it comes from, hence the hard problem of consciousness.
For a fact to be 100% true it can't have contradictory facts, and to me the hard problem of consciousness throws a wrench in the conclusion of materialism. So although my message is only a theory, all other explanations of consciousness thus far are also theories with no real evidence. So if we've had no luck this far with the smartest minds pondering this, maybe we should start to change the way we look at it.
@@rickwyant You sound like a Skeptic who is a psuedoskeptic really. Since real skepticism isn't dogmatic.
The Soul my friend...
I think the brain is very much part of consciousness but not all of the aspects of consciousness. It goes much further and deeper than that.
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
If brain cell arrangement = mind, then action is equivalent to posture, & doing can/should be the same as being, and identity/living genuinely ought to generate or be the same as purpose. We really are our context/world
"If brain cell arrangement = mind"
It's not.
Mind is the collection of analogies we call thoughts.
Can a brain support analogies?
Can a canvas support a painting?
Brilliant. Sounds like consciousness is analogous to a security light
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
@@taowaycamino4891 He’s obviously an imposter posing as a “neuroscientist”
@@rabidL3M0NS And people in this whole comment section call this guy "brilliant" or what he said "a great explanation". I bet that if I were to ask each of those individuals that gave such comments to explain to me what this "neuroscientist" said they won't be able to tell me what this guy even meant by the things he said.
Some people just see the word "neuroscientist" and somehow just get hypnotized by it and apparently just think that any sounds coming out of such a person's mouth that looks like a word must be true or real just because such a "neuroscientist" must know better(that's a fallacy of authority). Talk about blind religious faith!
@@rabidL3M0NS I bet you can't justify that anything this "neuroscientist" said is actually true. You just like to believe is true, but you can't justify any of it. Because of that, you are being blindly religious if you think everything this guy said is true since you have no way to tell it is. You just like to believe this guy on blind faith because that's your religion(whether you know it or not).
Yet, I still think that the prof remained one level above the fundamental "I" - the one that is aware of his own existence. The child, indeed, may not have yet drawn the boundary between himself and the rest of the world; nevertheless, he is looking from the inside out.
Likewise, the invalid who looses awareness of his left side, is still looking out from within, however impaired his sense is.
This is the basic consciousness the prof did not have an answer for: the infantile consciousness who doesn't differentiate, the impaired consciousness who doesn't recognize his left side, and the "I' who thinks of himself as "I".
Arnold Bernard Scheibel R.I.P 2017
You can be conscious without the mind layer present. You're more "primal", but when you have access to mind and deeper memory, the conscious experience is drastically different.
this guy gave conflicting definitions of consciousness. Sometimes he said it was a product of big brain activity. Sometimes he said that "nodes" of consciousness extend to all levels of conscious activity. So he dodged the question, which is what typically happens on this channel. Everyone wants to plead humans as special. Thing is though, humans are stupid.
@@scambammer6102 people ain’t smart
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out from someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
There is no mind when you're not conscious.
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL If there is a brain when you are not conscious but have no mind then the brain and the mind are not the same thing.
you can not multi task can proof it draw a square and circle two pens in each hand then draw same time square and circle ?🤔
Brains are not conscious, brains are subconscious. That's like asking, "What makes a heart a heart-beat?"
Consciousness is conscious. Consciousness is awareness.
Consciousness *is* Identification.
This guy has some very interesting ideas.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο How so? Animals are indeed conscious. My dog sure is. Rats sure seem to be too.
The idea that making choices and evaluating options seems pretty logical too
Agreed. v
@-GinΠΓ Τάο wall of bullshit
Namaste 🙏
It's the same as how programs are made in your tv.
Programs are made in people's brains.
The question is not why are we aware, but why are we aware that we are aware.
yes
meaningful
or who is aware of all those who are aware.
Why neurosurgeon's Eden Alexander experience on consciousness and his conclusions on the subject are not taken into account by Mr. Kuhn?
Even though this interview was so long ago already (as you can see from Roberts face, "youth, and hairstyle), it's remarkable how much Mr. Scheibel already was on the right track considering Mark Solms latest findings about consciousness evolving out of the interaction between the brainstem and the complete nervous system which has been described in "The Hidden Spring" which just came out end of 2021.. you can see how experienced this guy is in his field to have the right intuition already about the origins of consciousness *thumbs up*
All that I get from your comment is that you share the same misconceptions as these physicalists. Don't worry. One day , (or lifetime) you Will 'GET IT'.
@@garychartrand7378 all i get from your comment is that you seem to be one of those religious fundamentalists.. pointless to even argue anything
@@danielballard3364 first of all, I don't wish to argue with anyone - I never argue about the truth anyway. Secondly, I am NOT into religion at all. If you do not understand the vast difference between religion and Spirituality, then you are right - conversing with you is pointless. But one day (or lifetime YOU WILL 'GET IT'. Of this you have no choice - but you will NEVER be forced to.
Mr. Arnold's materialist theory of how it is the brain that gives rise to the different manifestations of consciousness such as the notion of self etc. simply flies in the face of the facts pertaining to the role of the primary entity making up the brain--the neuron --and its nature. The brain is all neuronal and the neuron differs from other cells of the body in only two unique morphological ways, the "dendrites" and the "axon. " These two unique features which have come into being for the sole purpose of enabling the neuron to discharge its function of propagating signals, also determine the nature of the brain.
A brain is thus, in abstracted form, a network of transmission cables, and partaking of the nature of the neuron, itself a huge signal generating mechanism. And while all (real world) concepts of data flow and communication and signal conduction would apply to it, there's no way such a model can ever give us a PERSONALITY; because a signal propagation mechanism (brain) is a fundamentally different entity than a conscious personality that thinks, feels and recites Shakespeare ! In the real world in which our logic should be rooted, a data communications/ signalling network and the conscious personalities manning or utilising this network are NOT one and the same! There are two categories, network and personality, a DUALITY. So, considering this reality, why should such a logic be now divorced once we enter the realm of brain research? Why should materialists feel the need to multiplex onto this neuronal network all functions of personality together with the signals/ data it transmits ? Ah, perhaps it's because they have precommitted to upholding (not the truth but) the position that the brain *must* be the fount of consciousness.
Else, doing an intelligent analysis of the nature of the brain strictly adhering to the role and nature of the neuron and employing the logic of the real world, they would surely have *inferred* an extra-encephalic entity connected to the brain, a conscious PERSONALITY whose *organ* is the brain, supplying to it all sensory signals and carrying from it all command signals. Naturally, both of these entities would exert an affective influence on each other.
One must be careful not to infer ignorance onto another whereof the other has not spoken. Personality, or character, is of the _interaction_ of all parts. This would include the totality of all causal influences. Keeping it simple, one's upbringing and experiences impress upon and live on within, the body and brain. As such, personality is emergent from the whole. But it still expresses locally through the brain and body. No immaterial soul, aside from information stored in memory -- both internal and external -- is necessary. Like personality, individual thoughts and actions, too, are products of the universe. But there is no need for duality. Both local and global effects belong to the same existence. If we admit long-term interaction between parts, drawing a line between animal and environment is arbitrary.
@@FalseCogs Why do you have such an aversion for any notion of a conscious personality/ immaterial person separate from the brain? I would be happy if you tell me that. Why do you feel impelled to defend the brain? It's just cells. Can cells in your heart or kidney feel or talk or think? Same is the case with neurons. Whatever differentiation is there is for signal propagation. Do you think this much extra differentiation would cause thinking, feeling, remembering, doing, contemplating, controlling, talking, and so on❗ Come on.
@@visancosmin8991 Hmm, thanks for commenting. Will have to disagree though. There are 2 fundamental entities, matter and conscious personality. Brain is an evolute of matter. Gather you are a panpsychist?
@@visancosmin8991 look inside a skull.
@@Arunava_Gupta The seeming aversion here is not of immaterial things. After all, the world may well be an immaterial simulation. The primary aversion is actually to narcissism, which in today's world causes a lot of suffering. The belief in personal ownership of thoughts and actions, plus of one's genes or lineage, leads to a plethora of self-serving inference and ignorant abuse of others. Arguably the majority of harm caused by human upon human is facilitated by self-serving illusions, especially of personal separation. The very essence of higher moral reasoning is seeing the interconnectedness, or dependent arising, of all apparent things and beings.
On the topic of brain, I do believe it likely that a supremely complex information system like the brain could enable consciousness -- within a supporting environment, of course. Moreover, I believe that certain configurations could enable the appearance of a separate self, or doer. Obviously this belief is not coming from nothing. The foundation of knowledge and intuition held here in support of this perspective is not something that can be easily conveyed.
Phew, trying to keep up with this absolute genius is a "big brain experience"
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
@@taowaycamino4891 that's because this show is usually soft and mystical, cold hard applied science is hairy and complicated and not very elegant
@@kylebowles9820 You said: "that's because this show is usually soft and mystical, cold hard applied science is hairy and complicated and not very elegant"
Thank you for you answer.
You can say it any way you like, but the fact remains that there are no facts backing anything this guy said. And you cannot show, demonstrate, or confirm that anything he said is correct(as much as you want to believe it is). That's why you won't do it.
Therefore, everything this "white coat neuroscientist"(interesting they put on him a white coat to hypnotize dumb people and make him more believable) said can be ignored for lack of any facts or evidence to his claims. That's my point.
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all this complexity had a simple beginning billions of years ago when a cell with a diffusible cell wall and a nucleus that required energy to produce proto-life needing to choose which chemical of the mixture in which it existed to allow through the cell wall. In modern terms it had to make a conscious choice that was developed over the aeons into our present human situation
I'd like to know if consciousness is only as good as the memory supplying it with data?
Consciousness is only as good as it's Awareness. God says that our only two friends are Life Love and Awareness. Our only two enemies are Fear and Guilt.
@@garychartrand7378 that's three brainyard. Can't even count to fg three
Consciousness is only as good as the Mind that it is a function of.
Free will, nature, cognition, emotions, memory & consciousness are functions of the Mind.
Man & Animals are natural or physical entities with a natural Mind (brain). Chimps share 99% of Human DNA but can not think & do 1% of what the body & mind of Man can do. The Mind of Man is more than the brain.
Man is the only known intelligence.
Only an intelligence makes Functions.
Everything in the Universe is a Function.
The Mind of an Intelligence is unnatural & non-physical ( spirit/soul).
The Mind of Man is natural (brain) & unnatural (soul) ... and both have free will, nature, cognition, emotions, memory & consciousness.
God did make Man in His likeness with a body & Son.
Jesus (Son of God) did confirm the Mind of Man is body & soul, the body is Man's mind when alive, the Soul is Man's mind when the body is dead, the body of Man is the nature and it has been corrupted .. and the body & soul free will, nature & consciousness ... to love or hate God. This is why the promised Messiah had to be born of a virgin .. and not actually be descended from King David.
The soul has a memory and remembers everything the the body thinks & does when alive and the Mind of Man.
Understanding how the brain works is only half of the picture.
Unlike the brain, the soul can not malfunction, be damaged or deteriorate.
While we live ... our free will, nature, cognition, feelings, memory & consciousness are completely dependent on the brain .... functioning normally. But the soul is our true being ... and only God can destroy a soul which He will if you sin.
Do not fear those who can harm & destroy the body. Fear God who can destroy the body & soul.
The Mind of Man is the body when alive ... and then the Soul when dead. But God clearly warned Man to make his choice while alive ... because once you die it is too late. There is no time in Heaven or Hell. When you die you go straight to judgement Day in the year 7 000 Anno Mundi.
Don't worry about how exactly consciousness works with the brain. What really matters is saving your soul because God will destroy it ... through Hell. Hell was created to punish powerful Demons forever. The human soul will be destroyed in Hell ... but not immediately. Jesus spent three days in Hell .... and again, there is no time as we know it in Hell. And your soul will be tortured by Demons until it is finally destroyed. ONly the Demons are being punished forever. God said the sinful souls of Man will be destroyed .... in Hell. Satan & the Demons knew they will be punished forever in Hell and still sinned.
Focus on what really matters, not the trivia of Man.
Yeah cheers for that
Energy is consciousness
When described through the functioning of the brain, consciousness seems incredibly fragile. But for some strange reason my intuitive sense of it is that it is something other than the brain and therefore probably beyond fragility and possibly indestructible. Who knows?
Agreed, one of the mysteries.
I find it interesting that the interviews Kuhn makes with the Neurologists - the scientific research in Psi is almost never brought up, or the last 30 years of scientific research (and ongoing research) of NDEs. It's as if none of that science has a lick of impact on Kuhn's dogmatism.
@@jamenta2 There is no research on psi because it is pseudoscience i mean it was debunked
@@RaZziaN1 You call psi a pseudoscience because of your bias. There have been a large list of highly regarded scientists, including Nobel Prize winners who have scientifically studied psi and came to the conclusion it is a valid phenomena.
Substituting your bias for actual science does not make you correct.
No doubt consciousness (being conscious) causally _depends_ on the functioning of the brain. But it's a very different thing to say that it _is_ a function of the brain. For me, I have no idea what it would mean for a brain to be conscious. I know what it means for a human being to be conscious, but not for a part of one to be.
“ just when you get to explain things that a Child could understand easily, it then would be completely understood for you” -A.Einstein-
We do speech well and it’s easy but maths is something I find is much harder to do maths in the same way, it’s also much harder to edit and make meaning from it without goals behind it, you can see the things around you but did you count them all? Imagine being able to program as if you could talk
Math is hard because it is the maximally terse language.
basically, consciousness is the emergent property of the brain and its profoundness depends on the evolution of the brain.
Think of it as waves on water. They don't exist on their own but come into existence when there is a disturbance caused by a stone or an object having different shapes and sizes.
Your brain is water and sensory inputs are the disturbances.
Consciousness is often limited to the brain and confused with the mind. If this were the case we should all experience it differently according to our individualities. This is true of the mind, or of minds, but consciousness just is, it is not unique from one individual to another or from one species to another. It expresses at the level, the complexity of the brain, of the entity that experiences.it. The more complex the brain the greater the expression of consciousness. The highest expression is in humans.
Based on the title and not watching the video,
The brain by itself only cannot be conscious. ©
There is more to it, but I cannot express it here.
Metaphysician philosopher
This was before the recent experiments that originally was intended to find out how people working together, let’s say on solving a puzzle or even watching a movie, how the brain reacts, using the latest technology on tracking and mapping neurological activity etc.
What they found changes everything on what we think consciousness is.
Namely they saw, quite clearly, that neurological activity synchronized like a clock.. so not copying behavior, but literally syncing like two clocks.
This is impossible unless one “clock” somehow is able to tell the other clock on what exact time it’s running.
Aka consciousness can extent.
How? Why even? No idea, but it’s irrefutable.
Brains aren’t conscious they’re
aware. When you minimise the activity of the brain but remain aware you may become consciousness. You have to be very still to cross this threshold.
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Science says that matter creates consciousness, this reminds me of a genie arising from a bottle.
Metaphysics hints at the reverse -- matter being derived from consciousness.
If both boil down to energy, perhaps it´s not too strange to contemplate.
Since we don´t know what consciousness is, it is difficult to take a position, yet the genie in a bottle approach is totally dominant in science.
@Javi Oz As I said, it is difficult to take a position. You cannot support yours.
@Javi Oz We are figments of our own imaginations Javi, we create our own reality.
conscious is your soul. i never relized this untill i left my body many times because of a evil spirit in my apartment. your soul is the software and your body is the hardware
what we all know is if something distracting our attention we tend to not feel the pain anymore and it’s even easier in children where the sense of self is less developed I suppose
When we resist the pain, we suffer more. That is, we add psychological suffering to the physical. Being distracted means less resistance, plus less focus. As a person's "I" grows, the person may believe they have more control or freedom than they really do, which promotes additional dissonance and resistance. To release resistance to the shared body of existence, to accept all as oneself, is to release psychological suffering.
The closest example of “consciousness” I can find in a computer environment is the Operating System. Before the computer is able to perform after power on, its OS must “wake up” by dumping a number of preloaded information in its memory system. When we wake up after sleeping or following anesthesia, we need some time to scan our environment, remember where we are, who are we, and what is the situation…. before we gain consciousness. Indeed, computers are far from brain perfection, however progress with Artificial Intelligence is closing more and more this gap as artificial systems are more able to scan the environment and learn without the need of being programmed. Will AI be able to gain “consciousness” at some point in time?
Brains become conscious when, in addition to reacting to the environment, they react to their own reactions, creating a kind of feedback or echo effect where one is aware of one's own awareness.
It wakes up. it's as simple as that!
Where does intuition come from? Is there a sensory organ for that too?
An intuition is a thought and
like all thoughts,
it comes from the unconscious.
I like this show, but I've never heard more gobbledygook and word salad coming out of someone's mouth than from this "neuroscientist".
When we think we often have an internal voice that narrates our thoughts. Intuitions are thoughts (or impulses) that don't come with this narrative.
@@leonais1 If you are a Godless atheist you cannot possibly have any justification for what you just said. Therefore, what you just said can be ignored for being unjustified, meaningless, or having no facts supporting such a position.
Only the Christian religion has all the answers and can give us true understanding in all matters of life or science.
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Consciousness is not produced by the brain it's channeled through the brain. Consciousness always is and as such it's outside the body and brain.
There is no proof of that.
like the way he assumes consciousness is coming from the brain or on the inside, how about if it's outside of the body? Changes everything.
If consciousness is outside the body it changes nothing because we still would need to explain how consciousness exists outside the body.
@@kos-mos1127 it changes the fact everything we think we are looking at probably doesn't exist. I would say that's quite a lot.
@@billbo7630 The fact that everything we are looking at exists independently of consciousness has not changed. This must mean that consciousness is an emergent property of matter.
@@kos-mos1127 That's no more than an opinion.
Consciousness is the ability to have emotions.
How much of what you
know do you truly understand?
Not much, do I understand & there's SO much I do not know...
2:00 but consciousness is not necessary to examine options. If it's nothing outside the brain, then just the brain, without consciousness, could do it
Consciousness cannot be understood in terms of anything else. Period. Being aware of the world, including yourself, is one thing, being aware that you are aware is an entirely different thing.
Is it all that different though? The only significant difference I see is that in awareness of awareness, the object of awareness is constantly morphing and changing. In simple awareness, most objects are perceived as relatively static, or slow-changing. In consciousness, self-reflection is fast and ever-changing. This makes sense when we consider that the internal state of an information processor generally changes faster than its outwardly visible body. Hence, consciousness is including internal awareness _processing_ as part of its sensory input stream.
Consciousness is closely tied to physical (body+brain). and "I" is consciousness. That means - we are not body or brain, but yet body & brain needs to be nourished in order to maintain consciousness. Consciousness has several states, it just that brain can conceive it, when it's one of the specific state. Soil has consciousness , resulting into plants, and thus into humans and animals. Sperms are produced in body due to food we consume from external entity , plants. And that sperm has consciousness, and when it reaches a specific state, we say - we are conscious being. Truth is , it was always there in nature. Brain is not the origin of consciousness, yet it affect consciousness. During higher form of meditation - your consciousness escape brain neural activities, and you can somehow reaches, higher dimension, from where consciousness can witness brain thoughts emerging from emotions. When body sleeps, consciousness goes into other state, till the time you wake up again - yet brain is performing all its activities.
I hear you, though I hope you admit its poetry, and that the information science deals with the nitty gritty of squishy wet life. It's nice to be able to build one's personal philosophy upon the knowledge we've gained regarding evolution and our place on this planet.
Deepak, you write "we are not body or brain" - I don't see it that way. Who are you? Your body and brain is the physical "you." Every interaction you do with physical reality you do is through your body. Every awareness gets filter through your senses, that permeate our bodies in ways we've barely mapped, let alone gotten to understand. You, me, we are a biological creatures, your brain is connected to every spot in your body, so you shouldn't think of brain as some isolated organ, it's totally integrated into our bodies.
Love it or hate it, you are your body. And your interacts with the world around you creates your personality. Try to think about evolution and really get into what deep-time means in terms of generations and cumulative changes. We have amazing minds, because we have amazing bodies and brains - it's that simple. Humans just like making it more complicated. Especially when it helps them gloss over their fears, rather than confronting and resolving them, but that's a different topic.
@@petermiesler9452
By what means did you attain certain knowledge about your body and brain?
Do you have direct access to objective reality? And how?
@@deanodebo No. But I have achieved a healthy appreciation for the "Physical Reality ~ Human Mindscape divide"
I've also learned that either all of this is my own pipe dreaming, an utter impossibility, or I am simply another creature in the pageant of evolution.
An inevitable consequence of that is: Earth simply can't get philosophized away, it is material and it proceeded down the cascade of time down one and only one specific path of Evolution, even if infinite possibilities existed at one time or another, there is only one path we can proceed upon.
I've learned about myself by studying not just other people, but other creatures. Past five years bonded with a dog for the first. Thought we were getting her for my wife, Maddy dog had other ideas. Man does that offer interesting studies in consciousness and communication - especially when one lives on forty varied acres, and is constantly going along on walks, usually without a line and me letting her lead.
My senses have direct direct contact with the physical world - after all photons and pressure waves and the specific molecular chemical agents of smell and taste, those are physical agents as much as a rock. Or would you disagree? My brain has direct physical contact to all points of my body through various mechanisms and agents, why should I dismiss that?
What's wrong with a starting Theory of Consciousness that acknowledges our body's biology and our billions of years old biological heritage? Consciousness is as simple as the inside reflection of our bodies in the process of living.
Here, he's way smart that I am: Consciousness and the Mind Body Connection - Professor Mark Solms, TH-cam talk.
I like the word "Somehow". You sholud have listened a bit more carefully to the professor.
@@keithrelyea7997 None response - You should be able to enunciate your objection.
He said it was his "hunch," well, maybe i have a hunch that our consciousness goes on....
different levels of consiousness, getting more primative, like pain reflex. but can it go deeper. was early life `cheatingly evolving
` by plugging into, i dunno, `a mind field` :)