Ya. A good story has to have universal themes. Current Thing politics, post modern revisionism and subverted expectations all preclude universal themes.
Just show him one of his almost if not just openly gratuitously excessive foot shots he put in a good chunk of the stuff he’s produced. That’ll perk him right up.
One of my favourite films of all time, that final shootout, Tuco running through the graveyard, the ending where Blondie shoots the rope that Tuco's hanging from. Just a magnificent film in every way.
The fact they have so much ACTUALLY going on in the backgrounds of the characters on screen, is wild. Just remember the scene where the Confederate Army is ditching town, and Tuco tracks Blondie back to that hotel. All the soldiers and incoming canon fire going on, and the tension where Blondie is cleaning/putting his revolver back together while Tuco’s boys are creeping up the stairs. Also, the the scene where the drunk Union general is telling Blondie and Tuco about how they fight everyday for that bridge, and all the deaths that happen while doing so. Which prompts the two to blow it up themselves and save both sides the trouble and pointless death. Such a great film.
Yeah in a sense Scorsese was spot on in a lot of ways but at least the theme park was fun and catored towards well oiled mass appeal. Now they just throw piles of shit at you and call you names if you dont like it.
People got mad at Martin for saying the MCU wasn't cinema. The theme park thing wasn't a big deal. The issue was his gatekeeping of the word cinema and his horribly worded explanation for his views.
I want Tarantino to remake "Titanic". The vessel misses the iceberg and arrives safely in New York. Jack spends 30 years in prison for stealing the jewel. Rose marries her abusive fiance, becomes an alcoholic and pops out a couple of kids. When her husband loses the family fortune in the Wall Street crash, Rose goes on a murder-suicide rampage. I'd pay money to see that.
Yeah, but Samuel L. Jackson would shoot every mofo on the ship in an orgy of revenge against white bigotry; Rose and her mother both would bed him out of sheer admiration for his Mandingo prowess.
I can tell this era of movies sucks because I used to want to go see movies all the time. My wife too. Now we just stay home rewatching our collection of actuality good movies. We are enjoying sharing the great movies we grew up with with our children, so there’s that.
@@MALICEM12 and because people have that attitude is precisely what's driven Hollywood to quite deliberately change their business model. Streaming gave people the familiarity of just staying home, alongside many of them refusing to buy physical discs anymore - the Hollywood theater business model was forced to switch gears. Films greenlit for the theater are almost always big budget movies based on existing IP because the people tend to refuse to show up for anything less. The likes of Nolan, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Tarantino get a pass because they have tenure..but there's countless original screenplays that get passed up because Hollywood's convinced that it's far too much of a financial risk. Everything Everywhere All At Once was original and quite successful, but it was given a mere $25M budget for something that wouldve been granted a $75M had it been pitched 15 years ago - and it couldve made *great* use of that additional budget yet been just as charming and philosophical. You can't get a Good Will Hunting, a Forrest Gump, or a Boogie Nights in theaters because those are the types of films that Hollywood KNOWS that nowadays people would just wait for streaming for. Yet streaming giants greenlight and produce based on endless amounts of viewing habits data, solely desparate to gain and maintain subscribers for the long haul - no aim for genuine art as long as their data tells them that key decisions are working. So another great Good Will Hunting like movie could come along, yet may or may not get discovered in the vast sea of endless content that keeps getting churned out just to keep the streaming roster fresh. People complain about wanting original, heartful art yet keep feeding the machine that killed it.
Showing my kid the movies I watch when I was little is great, even Disney ones. Atlantis, treasure planet, muppet treasure Island, iron giant, Spirit. All great animated movies from my childhood she loves way more than fucking Wish.
I watched the original Jumanji with my daughter yesterday. I think its from 1994 or something. It's PHENOMENAL. I couldn't believe how entertained I was. It was just, refreshingly brilliant.
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I liked what Tarantino did in the last flick he put out. The Margot Robbie one. It gave a horrible, sad and grim real life tragedy a happy ending. I find that very endearing I'm not ashamed to say.
'happy ending' - the gates of heaven opening up to tell a washed-up actor that he'll always be relevant and never have to face decline and death, only the gates of heaven are the hollywood mansion of a child molestor. Disturbingly pro-Hollywood ending; the whole movie is an indulgent fantasy that's hostile to truth
The remaining lingerings of the woke weirdos will. Of course they'll grow old and embittered because they will slowly realize that many people their age as well as future generations are going to look at them with contempt for something that they dedicated a large chunk of their life to.
I’m 46 and present time is just baffling too me. Things flowed when I was growing up, now it’s just super constricted and beat down. Talent is far more rare than ever, in every medium.
@@AllenCrawford3 I was there too and it was the golden age of popcorn cinema while the 90s was the golden age of indie films. The 70's were often deep and depressing nihilistic Vietnam counter culture films interspersed with cheesy and camp cinema. What's happening now in streaming happened on the big screen in the 80's and it was glorious.
His book "Cinema Speculation" really shows just how much of a historian and cinephile that Tarantino is and why his films have been as awesome as they have throughout his career. He's a fan first and filmmaker second, so him saying this isn't shocking because he sees how uninspired films today are even with the ones that are great.
Hot take: Tarantino is very overrated. I’ve seen his movies and acknowledge that they are well-done but they are just him basing it off movies he watched as a kid. But I’d rather take that because I know he watched the movies he took inspiration from. I’ll take that any day over a Californian hack who tries to write Shakespeare but is too lazy to read the cliff notes version.
@@NathanCassidy721 Exactly. The fact that he's a fan first and a filmmaker second is a liability, not an asset. He's only good until you see all the much better movies he rips off. All he knows his other movies. I don't know if he's had an original thought. Orson Welles warned against exactly the type of director Tarantino is ten years before Reservoir Dogs (rip off of City on Fire).
@strategery101 yup.. when I go to look for new movies to watch online and the years of release are 2020-2022 I know the chances of it being good are next to zero. Does anyone else feel that after 2019 movies just really went downhill?
There is a reason my fiancee and I only watch older films and TV shows these days. It's like they were made in an alternate reality where good standards of writing/acting/filmmaking actually mattered. Even the bad stuff back in the day was better, because at least they TRIED to do something fun.
Do yourself a favor and check out ME-TV. Not sure if you have cable, but it’s a standard channel I believe. They’ve got all the classics on daily, and Saturday nights they feature a classic monster/horror/sci-fi movie. Then they show Star Trek, Lost in Space, Kolchak The Night Stalker, Voyage to the Bottom of Sea, etc. I can’t watch any other channels, they’re all boring as hell.
There is NOTHING timeless coming out of Hollowweird now. NO ONE will be looking back at these modern films with nostalgia in even 20 years from now. Assuming the world hasn't blown up in 40 years, all modern films will be forgotten.
i would disagree with this. there are some great films coming out ( i believe they mentioned some of them like everything everywhere all at once) but they are getting drowned out by all of the sludge.
People say this about every decade of movies. Yet in next 20-30 years people will look very fondly to movies from 2000s & 2010s. Lying on your bed & complaining won't take you anywhere.
@@Indeeee No, this is not the case AT ALL. I REMEMBER the 80's and 90's. There were many movies hailed as classics AT THE TIME THEY CAME OUT. Same with the 70's. And the 60's. Remember "2001"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "The Godfather"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "Alien"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "Terminator", "Predator", "Back to the Future", "Lion King"... I could go on and on. What has come out in the last entire decade that will endure like those did? Especially since most of what we're getting are remakes, reboots, and endless sequels and prequels!
Go and watch some better stuff from back in the day, that's what I'm doing right now. Recently discovered Akira Kurosawa and his movies are pure art on celluoid.
When it comes to Tarantino I love some of his movies,some not at all,but when watching any of them I find myself glued to the screen,listening carefully because every scene,every conversation has so much nuance and it’s important to the story or characters,the dialogue is usually very interesting to listen to,the man is passionate about his craft,something that people in Hollywood severely lack.
yes, exactly. there are certain directors (Scorsese is one for me), where I don't necessarily LIKE everything they have done. but still every one of their films has the feel of being a work of passion, with them putting so much effort into it and so much use of their craftsmanship. (kinda like you don't need to be a fan of a band to still realize the talent and the artistry that was involved to create their songs)
@@xxxaragon most of the great directors have films i personally can't stand in their career history, but its the highlights that outweigh it. even the best can make a bum film, sometimes its their own fault, and more often its the studios. film directors now, its just the same thing made again and again.
@@varsityathlete9927 Tarantino (probably largely thanks to his choice to limit his output) is someone that I think does everything well... I may not like his taste of topics, but the level of execution is consistently at the top, whereas Scorsese has a chunk of work like Age of Innocence, which I saw in the theater and did not dislike, but I also can't distinguish it from every other 19th century drama that I've seen.
@@xxxaragon Agreed. I don't get this devotion to certain directors that people have nowadays. Namely, Zach Snyder. IMO, a mediocre director with mediocre movies who engenders such passions. Scorsese, Spielberg and Ridley Scott are some of my favorites. Legendary directors. Do I like everything they've done? Hell No! Have they made some stinkers? Hell Yes! Would any sane person put Snyder amongst those three? Insult or critique Snyder and see what happens. They come out of the woodwork. I don't get it.
Oh my God, I remember that "Pirates" movie! I remember it being fairly well acted and had a halfway decent set and special effects and costuming, and the more naughty scenes were actually pretty tasteful and well done. Wow... wouldn't it be sad if a modern-day pirate movie were actually less good than a skin flick?
Pretty much what the Drinker has said several times, the people in Hollywood have had zero hardships. The people in Hollywood are children. They are of age, but mentally they are children. The soft times that we are living in have led to the inability to mature. Look at the times of war. You had 18y/o traveling over seas. If they came back a few years later, they would be a 40y/o mentally.
@@comfortablyunknown700 and what are you doing to stop either side of corporate media from being a thing? Our obsession with the military industrial complex cannot be overstated, but you don't see conservative tards like them pointinf that out in Disney's "evil agenda" always cozying up to the US government to endorse warmongering.
@@purefoldnz3070 the popularity of actors does not determine quality of film, look at Jonathan Ross in reservoir dogs compared to she hulk, two different actors in my opinion, yet he’s been a list since dogs
If you go home after watching a movie and you didn't cry, laugh, despair, cheer together with the characters in the movie, if the story didn't fill your heart and soul with satisfaction, wonder and food for thoughts then you watched crap. The current situation won't change unless we stop giving these crappy companies our money and our precious time.
@@kleeklee4572 Disney is already in trouble, Amazon failed miserably with ROP, Netflix will lose a lot of customers because of Henry Cavill quitting The Witcher series. I think it can happen, people are tired.
QT has more talent in his toenail clippings than a lot of whats coming through today. Just look at the genres he's covered (heists, ww2, subjunctive history etc) and made them work.
@@thesignalnotthenoise1670 if he has plagiarised (and I'm not saying he hasn't) he's done it in a way to make his product that entertaining that we don't care.
The Signal Not The Noise almost all of his movies are instant classics. So idk wtf you're on about. Once upon a time in Hollywood/django/inglorious basterds/hateful 8/pulp fiction/reservoir dogs are all amazing..
@@randybobandy9828 I cannot disagree. The start of Inglourious B's was just something else. And even when he didn't direct, "just" wrote and starred in - From Dusk till Dawn...awesome film.
@@thesignalnotthenoise1670 I think he's far from perfect, but he pays homage to older movies which is different to plagiarism. Most movies pay homage to earlier stuff and always have.
QT has made a few great movies and he edits & directs good scenes. His dialogue isn't the best in my mind, but a lot of people love it. He absolutely rops whole storied scenes and copies them from other movies and pastes them together in his movie storyline. It's not a homage at this point. That being said, he does build his own creations even if uses other peoples blocks for half his project .
funny thing to me is I legitimately thought they were gonna refer to "Cutthroat Island". which was a legitimately expensive film at the time of its release. and which I feel is better than its bad reputation!
Quentin is a true fan of cinema and I think we need to suupport movies like Top Gun 2, The Batman, Everything everywhere all at once and RRR at the box office if we really want to see a change!
Most screenwriters today are not book readers or worldly with depth of thought, or lived lives. I believe Ridley Scott and James Cameron in a sit down said that they were massive book readers and it allowed them to make their films as good as they are. The words conjured the imagination. It wasnt spoonfed to you. Now they said people are just copying old films of theirs. Without the reading.
Ridley Scott read comics too. Blade runner was heavily influenced by the comic Heavy Metal. He used the magazine as his model and selling point. Comics for adults.
@@bahmuut4825 The fact is that those guys don't read as much as they used to either. It's not just that the new kids don't measure up, but the old guys are growing dull, too.
@@heinoustentacles5719 As the saying goes "You can't teach an old pony new tricks" QT himself has said that the reason why he limits himself and says he will retire soon unlike other directors, is because he believes film directing and the industry itself isn't permanent
Unfortunately its easier to produce the same shit derived from nostalgia and convince your audience that theyre the stupid ones for not buying it. For Christ sake how do you think Apple has been this successful for so long? They created one really great product and convinced a bunch of idiots to buy the same one 20+ times over the course of decades.
The scary and sad reality is, you couldn’t make Pulp Fiction today. When you are saddened by that thought, understand that is where we are at today. How many good stories are we missing?
The type of writers you're describing Critical, and you know this as a writer, can not take criticism. Any attempt to improve them as a writer is met with venom and vitriol.
I remember as a kid, when my mom would buy me a ticket to see the latest "Herbie Goes To The Next Place" at the multiplex in the mall while she went shopping I would sneak into the wrong screen. I saw movies(parts of them depending on how much they had already run) like Appocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter, A Married Woman etc. I wanted to experience the adult world and those were indeed adult movies and I was fascinated. They dont make movies like that anymore. At least the major studios no longer really do. Now all the adults flock to the theater to see the latest Guardians of the Deadpool sequel wearing costumes. Its all quite embarrassing. Im guilty of it myself and Im not proud of it.
yeah, I dont get it. I have friends in their 40s who had not go to the cinema in years but they went to see Toy Story 4 in hordes. Like, seriously?? F**k them and their conformism and nostalgia day dreaming.... that´s what accounts for an "adult" these days...
How the mighty have fallen on MCU. It built itself up from Iron Man 1 and had reached its finale of Endgame where it should have stopped right there in a conclusive ending. Only to then wither and became a soulless shell of its former self.
Hollywood's had rough eras before: the mid-1950's when it had a tough time adjusting to the new economic reality that was competition from TV and the mid-late 60's when the studio system collapsed. Hollywood still managed to make some great films in those eras and the collapse of the studio system led to the artistic renaissance of the 1970's. Yet, this era may be the worst, and it's all self-inflicted. Wokeness has been more harmful to films (and arts in general) than anything dreamed-up by the Hays Code, the Moral Majority, or any other right-wing moral crusader boogieman that once haunted the Left.
There are still a lot of great movies coming out in this era. They are just more niche. And "wokeness" is only a minor problem. "Wokeness" exists to some extent but it is mostly just a bogeyman that conservatives like to rail against because conservatives always need a bogeyman... The problem is financial. Movies cost far too much to make and most movies aren't able to generate nearly as much money as before because of streaming services. That has resulted in homogenization in mainstream movies even though production companies do like to promote superficial diversity of staff.
@@ssssssstssssssss yes and no, centrists obsess too much over economics. Yes there is a money factor. But it has also been blatantly obvious for a while now that A)even if a company is cautious and fears risk, that doesn't mean that the most successful homogenization is leftist bullshit, yet they went that way anyways. B)even when the leftist bullshit ruins them and costs them millions, they still will not relinquish it. It's almost like the elite have effectively infinite money and are ideologically motivated. Also like what what people have been saying about them caring more about social engineering than short term financial gains has been true all along. Movies are shit because the elite went to the next stage and started pumping out Soviet levels of propaganda. But if you look with a critical eye to your nostalgic childhood of movies from 70s-90s you will see that the propaganda was there too. It was just most subtle and rode in the backseat, but always there.
@@ssssssstssssssss This is true. And it started in the 90s. The first Batman had a budget of 35 M. Even adjusted per inflation you would NEVER get to 200 M minimum. But just 3 years later Batman Returns had a 80 M budget, when in the eighties, the most expensive movie ever made was Roger Rabbit and Rambo 3 with 70M. But the groses included many auxiliary sources of income from merch, vhs, worldwide tv rights. Now a platform pretty much buys full rights and there´s no way in hell that they are paying the equivalent of what a movie is not making in merch. A movie like Robin Hood had a cost of 48M and made over 400 M worldwide. Now it cost 200 and there´s no way in hell that those movies can make more than 700/800M with LUCK. Add to that that you have to churn out content like never before in the history of entertainment and you have an industry dominated by FEAR and conformism because its quantity over quality and for most of these people, I´m pretty sure the effort is not even worth it
MCU Phase 1-3 worked well because there was a groundedness to it, and we all knew it was leading to something big. Phase 4 and on lack Tony and Steve, and we've only seen a hint of what's to come, and right now, it all looks kind of messy. Entertainment needs to reach people to be meaningful. It can't just be a bunch of glitter and woke signaling.
Phase 1, 2 and 3 weren’t perfect but they were building to something and told good stories while building to the bigger story. Phase 4 has no idea what it’s doing.
Seriously who's carrying phase 4? Tony is dead and I don't know what happened to Steve. Ain't doctor strange, his character is "I'm just here". Thor got assassinate and be joke in fourth movie. Hawkeye is...idk,I don't watch the Hawkeye show. I don't want to watch it. Hulk is just Mark Ruffalo. Spiderman is still Sony ,I know no way home is not saving this phase. Black widow is assassinate and dead.i know Ant man not saved. They ruined daredevil, he just become She hulk's sextoy. Wolverine and Deadpool...oh God. Yea mcu phase 4 gotta to be one of the worst marvel phase I ever seen
@@thelaughingrouge There so many Marvel content next year ,god damn. Like phase 1 comparison to phase 4. There's literally six movies in phase 1 like Iron man to The Avengers, man there were good times. But phase 4 has seven movies and eight disney marvel shows. Then makes fifteen Mcu projects. Jesus christ and all those shows are shit
I have never watched a Marvel film more than once, not even the earlier ones, watched Tarantino films dozens of times, he's absolutely right just Disposable films. My fave film this year is actually Top Gun Maverick, hope we get more films like that.
no way there's more movies like TG:M coming, almost the whole point of it was that it's a love-letter to a type of film that's basically impossible to make anymore and they put a kind of meta subtext on that note in the film ('the future is coming..and you're not in it')
Though I agree most marvel movies are crap I've watched the first Ironman and Captain America movies dosens of times. I personally don't like Quinton Tarantino movies and only watched them once. Nevermind I did see Kill Bill twice. I haven't got to see Top Gun yet.
@@helvete_ingres4717 not trying to be a smartass here. but if any movie makes 1.4 billion at the boxoffice, we're absolutely gonna get at least +some+ other attempts at it.
@@woahblackbettybamalam I didn't say it was appropriate. I just confirmed she was up for it. Doesn't make it right. Filth in my opinion are commenters who give themselves a thumbs up, lol. Busted.
I’ve always hated the fact that movies were catered to either Los Angeles audiences or Manhattan audiences as if those are the only cultures that matter in the United States.
Remember Ricky Gervais' film, The Invention of Lying? That world is the world we are living in right now. Even though the premise is different, the results are the same. No imagination, no risks, no creativity. Everything is now safe, bland, and vanilla.
Gary brought something up I hadn't considered before, myself. There is SO MUCH scripted conted being released these days that the talent pool is just not there to support so much of these projects that studios have to focus on something _other_ than talent or merit.
on the other hand, and I think that's a bit of counterpoint to the pessimism that's very prevalent here, it also means that even if there are bad releases (and, even worse, meaningless by-the-numbers awfully boring ones. complete disasters at least have some fun "car wreck" element to it, basically the reason many people like old garbage c-movies) the sheer numbers also result in gems being produced. (e.g. if Netflix greenlits 100 projects, at least a handful of them will certainly turn out to be alright)
Korean stuff has great story telling and narrative, along with excellent character building. Just got done watching Hello Me and it had some of the best of all of these that I have seen in years, even though it is just a small story. I had forgotten what good story telling looked like.
Korean stuff is the best IMO. They have the best thrillers, a few very good historical epics and some decent TV shows as well. Honestly, my dad and I mostly watch Korean stuff now. It's our detox from the bad Hollywood stuff out there. For those who've never watched Korean cinema, try: - The Chaser (2008) - I saw the devil(2010) - The Admiral: Roaring Currents - A dirty Carnival - Oldboy(2003) - A taxi Driver - The man from nowhere There a many more great films, but there is just too much to list in a comment.
@@vinnie245 I honestly think Tarantino's best works were True Romance(writer only), Inglorious Bastards and Django Unchained. His other movies are great, yet I think those 3 movies perfectly sum up his best attempt at unique storytelling in alternate or imaginary history. Kill Bill is also phenomenal. (Volume 1&2) The Hateful Eight completed an unofficial weird trilogy lol. (The Ridiculous Six(lol, adam sandler), The MagnificentSeven/SevenSamurai, The Hateful Eight) And True Romance is just interesting af, because he wrote the movie yet someone else directed the movie. And the director did so quite well, yet without the Tarantino flair of style)
We are living in a time when films are no longer made to withstand the test of time but rather be a big trend really fast and make alot of money even faster and forget about it by the end of the week so we can move onto the next big thing.
@@strategery101 yes everything for some reasons feels like a sequel or reboot or remix of something. At least out here in the west. Hopefully Japan can keep doing its thing
@@hebanker3372 you think they are ever going to realize how horrible this is for a long term plan, or do you think they just want everything to fail so the just approved the absolute worst decisions they could've possibly made.
@@TheScarletSlayer I would say the former.Capitalism thrives from female consumers and mainstream entertainment has been modified to appeal to them.Eventually,women will just move to the next trend and many entertainment companies will either die out or be reduced to shadows of their former selves.Then,hopefully,new blood will make new quality art that will sell again to men.And if this art becomes popular,women will just move in.And the cycle repeats itself.
From Dusk Till Dawn, in my opinion, is one of the most entertaining films of the 90s. Is it Shawshank or Schindlers List? No, but it doesn't have to be, it's a hell of a lot of fun.
@@calvinfolan1736 this film doesnt need to be oscar worthy as the films you mentioned but it just needs to be enjoyable enough to watch, the thing which modern movies isn't able to, and thats the most basic thing
@@aronblanche Exactly, I can't remember the last time I've been to the cinema, so I may be out of the loop in terms of modern film but by the looks of it, I'm not missing much, everything that's released today just seems to be repetitive Marvel garbage.
@@calvinfolan1736 this got me thinking and I've only watched exactly 2 movies in theaters in the last 8ish year's, the remake of IT and Jurassic World, and I mainly went to see Jurassic world to keep a tradition that I had seen ever Jurassic Park movie in theaters going back to when I saw the first one as a kid. Pedowood doesn't deserve any more of my money than that.
I love how whoever's in the bottom right box... They look like they're holding a drink with one arm & the other is resting on the table. I can't unsee it.
This is why I continue to say that The Expanse is the best show for today's times. It's the best of both worlds. You have all the diversity and representation you could ever ask for and still is brilliantly written
I stand by my opinion that the midseason 2 climax of The Expanse is one of the most interesting sci-fi moments I have ever seen. I would say more yet I do not want to provide any spoilers whatsoever.
Except for the part where they ruined Naomi's character..."Philip! Phiiiiiilipppp! PHIIIILLLLIIIIPPPP!!!" That's all we heard for an entire season. Gah.
@@kennyobrien I also hated Naomi in S5, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate. She was always portrayed as the most "moral" of the crew and finding long lost son might justify her actions. She still owned her escape though.
@@Szpareq They took too long to tell that part of the story. But they were inexpensive scenes to shoot, so they drug them out as needed. I ended up fast forwarding through every scene she was in until her escape.
I agree with Drinker that it only ever swings one way, because for all their talk about diversity and inclusion it only ever applies to the things THEY approve of and allow.
@@tomh1593 Basically anything and everything that doesn't fit in with "the message" or show the opposing view as anything other than completely evil and wrong. As for what I want to see, more good characters and writing in general. Oh and less politicizing everything and being hostile to the fans would be great too thanks.
@@capthavic the "messages" in these movies are all positive messages. Diversity is positive. So you think there should be anti gay and racist viewpoints in these movies?
I'm interested to see if there is going to be a push come shove situation. I think there is a possibility of Equilibrium. In other words, If the load gets too big to handle. Will there be fatigue from bad movies, that people will not be willing to pay for them anymore? If you look at movies like Joker that did good, but in my opinion was just ok and not the best ever. I think it was just better than what was offered and there was a matter of comparison to the crap as an alternative that people no longer want. I think the MCU is in major trouble because they are watering down the product and people will stop buying sub-par products. But what do all of you think?
No kidding! Kenzie Taylor was feminine, badass AND comic book accurate as Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel! Even the Skrulls looked EXACTLY like their comic book counterparts! Axel Braun is a TRUE comic book fan unlike Feige and his SJW overlords!
There were a lot of bad 80s movies. I'd go down to my local video rental store and see LOTS of these B-feature movies on the shelves, most of which were excruciatingly bad, yet a few had a certain charm about them.
@@evertonporter7887 those are the ones that Tarantino would probably like. He’s said that movies in the 80’s and the 50’s suffered from the prevailing cultural ideology, presumably conservatism. Movies in the 50’s were highly censored, but many great directors found creative ways to work around it or just push the envelope. In the 80’s, there was a push for family friendly franchises and commercial fare, compared to Tarantino’s beloved 70’s. But the 80’s also gave us so many great sci-fi, fantasy, horror and other genre movies. Not to mention, the rating system was pushed to include PG-13. And the independent movies of the 80’s were truly independent, unlike the 90’s when they were usually produced by the subsidiaries of major studios. I think Tarantino actually said the next decade will be like the 80’s in that they are subject to the prevailing ideology, but he’s never called out the woke power structure that is ruining his art form. Who knows, if Top Gun is any indication, the pendulum may swing in the right direction and it will be like the 80’s. I hope so!
@@Thespeedrap and those are staples of the 70’s. Tarantino likes all kinds of movies, but he seems to make a point of not liking anything overtly commercial, especially if it’s family friendly, which to him the 80’s was all about. I disagree with him. I think it’s one of his blind spots. Or it’s his way of seeming even handed when he criticizes modern movies. He actually said this decade is just like the 80’s. It’s ridiculous, even if you didn’t like the 80’s!
@@JustJohnForNow I wouldn't compare this decade to anything it's more like apocalyptic times we're in.The 80s had a couple decent films but other than that it's really trash.
I've been rewatching all the Tarantino movies lately with my gf who'd never seen them. So far: Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds, Jackie Brown and Kill Bill Vol 1. It's been a great few months, lots of my favorite old movies to go!
I picked up Reservoir Dogs on 4K last week and while I think Tarantino’s last few movies aren’t as good as his early stuff he hit the nail on the head. Meanwhile as much as I want to watch wakanda forever it’s the same feeling of wanting to do it like I’m stalling to rake leaves
Complains about rehashing old stories then asks why they're not making films like 2 old movies??? What a strange pair of films to reminisce about: both decent films but I wouldn't ever find myself yearning for films like these again.
@@danjonmills The Last Samurai is underrated. It's miles better than most films today, I mean, come on. How the hell could you not want more historical epics? If done right it's the best cinema out there.
This sounds as if its deliberate (I think it is but only to a certain degree). The rest you could also call it lack of imagination and creativity, with rehashes and remakes being the only solution they can think out of it.
I don't think there's a lack of writing/directing talent per se, I think some writers/directors are just imitating what they've seen/read rather than actually having something they are passionate about saying, based on life experience. And they don't get the opportunity to get what they really want made. And it's rushed into production with executives giving 'notes' and making desperate changes based on audience test screenings - or worse filming alternative scenes so they can patch it together however they want. There are still great indie movies being made.
I must thoroughly reject this… film makers had to fight really hard against the studios in the past and they still got made. They have a much more permissive culture at the studios and they are now churning out shit.
Yeah there is. The pipeline is fucked up since TV died. Writers and directors arent getting the practice they need before the big leagues. Plus with less people watching movies now, studios are saving money wherever they can. Hiring brand new writers and directors gives the studio creative control
@@trequor they don’t learn the formula anymore. It’s very interesting because the soundtrack composer sticks to the formula. I think composition is as good as ever. But the writing team forgot they have to catch lightning in a bottle and Pulp Fiction is nearly 30 years old. It’s been done. They lack the ability to do better because they aren’t taught to. Maybe they spend too much time whining about capitalism to actually practice writing in college? 🤔
@@Xplora213 Yes and no. The studios used to be run by people who cared about output. That doesn't mean it was easy to get a movie made. When they got taken over by money men, they stopped caring about quality and only focused on profit. My point is that it's not 'talent' that's the problem as such, it's that the previous generation, and the one before, lived through real shit, and had something to say, and as the technology evolved there was more freedom to express things in different and bold ways. Art and culture has somewhat stagnated in post post modernism, where we see mostly derivative and unoriginal work. But that doesn't mean there are not any talented writers/directors working today as was generalised in the video.
@@Xplora213 They dont need lightning in a bottle, just basic competency and a spark of creativity. Lightning in a bottle cant be called upon; it must be captured organically when it appears. That's the point of the idiom.
And the standards get lower and lower. When the sequel to Top Gun is better than most movies this year and grosses so much money (I thought it was decent, nothing more), that's a signal.
Product of the school system. When teachers or the left teach you have no right to critique someone's work and it's all subjective, you get people who can't write. Art, literature, whatever liberal arts they infected, is the same. When someone takes a poop on a canvas and calls it art, then people jump up to defend it saying "it's in the eye of the beholder". You get a whole generation that doesn't learn to paint because that's hard. Pooping on a canvas is easy. Writing and story telling is exactly the same. Hollywood writers poop on a paper and call it art. And then they tell you it's gold and the problem is YOU.
This dark age extends to everything else not just film. I bought a 4Runner because it is largely unchanged since 2003. Look at car people and they’ll tell you the best era for cars was mid-90s to mid-00’s. Music, check…basically 2010 to present it has been a lost decade. Smart phones, social media, Woke activism and the emotionally abusive tyranny of moral crusaders have combined to form a perfect storm.
@@rgreenberg35 It's because so many, probably most industries are fine with hiring based on quotas and not merit. I recently saw a new study was released and most managers say they specifically do discriminate against straight white men. And that's not all the problems, the other problem is people are just getting dumber so progress is basically halted.
@@xxxaragon not saying the best times, but better times. As far as music, look up thoughty2 on TH-cam; he has and video on why music sucks nowadays; it’s industrialized and made mainly by two men. The art is lost.
The ideas themselves are not the problem. The problem is the utter lack of talent in presenting the ideas, which is indicative of ideological litmus test hiring policies. There's a reason why government propaganda films are so bad. The film makers were hired for their political ideology, not because of their level of talent.
Tarantino is a movie DJ, an accomplished analog cinematographer and an interesting writer. He has not hid this idea from you. He has explicitly explained all of his process by this point. Sample culture bro. Tarantino understood the quality of remixed storytelling in cinema long before many others did.
@@py_a_thon 'movie DJ' - I like that way of putting it. 'Sample culture', yes QT films are explicitly postmodern - in his biggest film the characters literally say 'let's get into character'
@@helvete_ingres4717 I am not sure post-modernism describes his works well though. His simulations/simulacrums are transparent. He does not present a hyperreality or some kind of destruction of truth. He did not examine post modern ideals ala "The Matrix" or something like that. His films are closer to Absurdism than Post-Modernism. Many of his films involve an almost comedy of intertwined errors as well. He embraces the absurd. (Man rescues prostitute and runs away with a brick of druqs, everything gets progressively more crazy from a single act of humanity...ie: True Romance) The Bride from Kill Bill for example. She is just constantly rolling a boulder up a fukkin ridiculous hill... And the cathartic release is when she does not fall down the mountain, and instead achieves an absurd goal (to Kill Bill). Revenge is absurd. Revenge is human.
@@burtreynolds8030 Eh, I would say, "No," but it boils down more to personal preference over quality of the film. If given the choice between him and a modern director like say JJ Abrams, he is an easy pick.
Terrifier 2 was freaking amazing, the director made the movie he wanted without studio interruptions. In the process creating one of the best antagonists in recent memory
Love that movie too! Such a great callback to horror classics while still having its own distinct identity. It’s a simple premise that is done perfectly. Hollywood should take notes.
I love the way Drinker compares Ryan Johnson's head to a soccer ball. Kills me every time. It rings true on so many levels. His head is empty and full of air.
OMG! I stumbled on a discussion with both The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic in it. Definitely something to give thanks for on Thursday! I'm goint to figure out how to find more of these. Cheers, folks!
I enjoy your videos a lot Critical Drinker, but I confess that as a working screenwriter in Hollywood (barely!), I'm not sure my perspective always aligns with your own. It's probably a much longer conversation than a TH-cam comment post, but in general it feels like sometimes you and your friends treat Hollywood 1) like a singular entity, 2) like an industry with an active agenda other than maximizing revenue, and 3) like a world where the movies you see accurately reflect the screenwriter's vision, and - in my personal experience - that's not really the case. In short I'd say that I think of most movies as this long pipeline where a screenwriter pours their heart and soul into one end and then prays they're proud of what comes out the other side. Because there are so many cooks in the kitchen, so many producers and executives and others weighing in, that by the end the flaws you notice are likely flaws that are ALSO noticed by the writers themselves. Also, I'm not sure I agree about the stark divide between timeless themes and woke/activist themes of the moment. Some of our collective favorite films in history are both timeless and also addressed a specific social crisis at the time (I'd say most of the great films of the 70s, for example, are often explicitly political or even “activist” for the time). It might sound like a copout, but for me it's more a question of quality. A good writer (and a production team that shepherd their vision) can tell an openly political “message” film that you never think of as such since it feels like a genuine work of art with those themes deftly woven in, while a corporate boardroom's manufactured “message” rings false - to you, to me, to even the people they think they're appealing to. Anyway, this is just my two cents, but I do really enjoy your videos and your discussions. Thanks.
I never could have imagined that the mid to late 90's would be usurped as the dark ages of cinema.....in my wildest dreams I couldn't have foreseen it.
I worked in a chain hardware store that sold disposable Chinese junk for cheap. There is a huge difference between that and quality tools that are made to last through severe duty for years and years. And the company treated its employees the same way: not worth a big investment, disposable, easy come/easy go. Same deal here. Well, moviemakers will spend big money, but they still don't know what they're doing though. They just throw a lot of mud at the wall and see what sticks. If they succeed, it's largely sheer dumb luck. As they say, they spend nearly as much effort on bad films as on good ones.
That alcoholic thing hit home lol. I have the 'gift' of almost never getting a hangover, no matter how much I drink, as long as I eat something that is, and I never really went too crazy, so kept me drinking WAY too long lol. Glad the Drinker seems to be pretty productive despite apparently drinking a bit too much every day, wish I could have done that, I was useless all those nights.
This is NOTHING but a giant Echo Chamber, these guys don't even acknowledge the full quote said by Tarantino. "I do feel that '80s cinema is, along with the '50s, the worst era in Hollywood history,". "Matched only by now, matched only by the current era." They cherry picked the quote to fit their argument.
The other day I watched 'Clear and Present Danger' with Harrison Ford and it left me depressed because in order to watch a decent action movie nowadays (with no female lead killing men), I have to go all the way back to the 90s archives.
All those Jack Ryan movies are meh. I've seen The Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games, A Clear and Present Danger and The Sum Of All Fears and wasn't fussed on any of them.
Worst era of Filmmaking, worst era of gaming (well in the past 40 years anyhow), worst era of News, worst era of politics, worst era of just BEING. 2020 has been a real sh*(show
@@sibinmathew7985 The Last of us was PS3 era and RDR2 was like one game years ago. we're going through a steep decline with nothing but remasters, gaming post-2016 has mostly been lackluster, even if RDR2 is great there were much more quality and creative games released during the PS2/Xbox era. We have instead been going through a golden age of indie games though, so there's that.
The shitshow really started in the 2010s, it's just coming to full fruition now. I do have to disagree on video games though. There have been some really good video games.
@@g.v4848 if you have zero taste and only play AAA games then yeah its a shitty time for you. but there are so many good games out there for any genre you like.
You know it's bad when old movies that everyone made fun of back in the day actually look pretty good. We just watched Sam Raimi's Spiderman 3 and loved it, completely with emo Peter dancing down the street. Compared to Marvel's Phase 4, it's a freakin' masterpiece. 😄
Whenever I think of modern movie-makers I think of that twitter post about the guy who went to Black Panther and didn't watch the movie at all, he just watched the smile on the Black kid's face behind him. They don't give a rats ass about what happens on the screen; only its social impact.
I’ve seen 6 movie in the theater in the last couple weeks: The System, Black Adam, Wakanda, The Menu, Banshees Of Inesheron, The Fabelmans. I list them in order from worst to best, and the first three were really awful. I’ve had a chance to work and chat with Tarantino (we called him QT), and he warned about the growing dominance of comic book flicks, pushing out the smaller story-driven indie films. There’s a wealth of small film producers, but there’s less opportunity for them to get their projects into theatres. QT may have had a harder time starting in the business if were trying to break through today.
I miss when stories were timeless. Now, they’re timely.
Just sad what’s happening to entertainment
Dated, not timely.
mass produced trash.
Ya. A good story has to have universal themes. Current Thing politics, post modern revisionism and subverted expectations all preclude universal themes.
Now they're just time-wasters.
It’s the worst era of culture in general. Movies, shows, music. ALL at their lowest point ever now.
It can only go up then
@@CephlonMayngrum A Renaissance era will happen after the mass majority reject these films
True everything is trash now. It is funny how everyone say something 10 years is better than what is today.
Thanks leftism
Making money is always lowest common denominator. Like politics.
Quentin Tarantino: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
Just show him one of his almost if not just openly gratuitously excessive foot shots he put in a good chunk of the stuff he’s produced. That’ll perk him right up.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus I like his movies but I fucking hate the foot fetish shit he puts in them
No one talks like those two.
My era is ruined
Directorbrah
Coincidentally, saw "The good, the bad and the ugly" (1966) last week.
Still blows my mind. What a fucking masterpiece...
One of my favourite films of all time, that final shootout, Tuco running through the graveyard, the ending where Blondie shoots the rope that Tuco's hanging from. Just a magnificent film in every way.
@@calvinfolan1736 Hey, Blondie! Do you know what you are?! You're one son of a... Dah da dah da daaaaah! Daaa Daaa Daaa!
For a few dollars more was waayyy better
Legendary film. Literally perfect.
The fact they have so much ACTUALLY going on in the backgrounds of the characters on screen, is wild. Just remember the scene where the Confederate Army is ditching town, and Tuco tracks Blondie back to that hotel.
All the soldiers and incoming canon fire going on, and the tension where Blondie is cleaning/putting his revolver back together while Tuco’s boys are creeping up the stairs.
Also, the the scene where the drunk Union general is telling Blondie and Tuco about how they fight everyday for that bridge, and all the deaths that happen while doing so. Which prompts the two to blow it up themselves and save both sides the trouble and pointless death.
Such a great film.
I enjoy any original screenplay these days. Even if they are not good. Just being original is a breath of fresh air.
It's sad that it's become refreshing when a movie is simply bad in a conventional sense
Can you name some original movies? Asking for a friend
Hollywood: “Best we can do is a black little mermaid”
Quote of the day: It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.
@@deadlyrobot5179 That is why I'm not a cover band anymore......
People got so mad at Martin Scoresese for saying the mcu is basically a theme park.
Yeah in a sense Scorsese was spot on in a lot of ways but at least the theme park was fun and catored towards well oiled mass appeal. Now they just throw piles of shit at you and call you names if you dont like it.
Untill he watched Morbius, of course! Now he is begging to direct the sequel but Christopher Nolan has already beatten him to it.🤣🤣🤣🤣
He was right given to how awful phase 4 has become Spiderman movie was cool but other than that it's been downhill.
People got mad at Martin for saying the MCU wasn't cinema. The theme park thing wasn't a big deal. The issue was his gatekeeping of the word cinema and his horribly worded explanation for his views.
Fanfic Writers when making better MCU stories than MCU itself: "It's free real estate."
For real, after the first 3 episodes of she hulk me and my friend came up with a way better story for the show
Truly even the bad fics I’ve read are better than the MSheU
Fanfic writers are now in charge with this franchises. That's why it sucks.
That’s what happens when marvel hired people that don’t read comics or respect the lore.
That’s cuz Marvel hired the worst of Wattpad.
Scorsese threw shade at Marvel in late 2019... and Journos are still pumping articles talking shit about him... 3 years! The pettyness is outstanding.
They wouldn’t have minded nearly as much if he wasn’t right.
Marvel fans are willing to buy the dumbest shit imaginable, and the peddlers of crap are willing to grease the correct palms for continued revenue.
I want Tarantino to remake "Titanic". The vessel misses the iceberg and arrives safely in New York. Jack spends 30 years in prison for stealing the jewel. Rose marries her abusive fiance, becomes an alcoholic and pops out a couple of kids. When her husband loses the family fortune in the Wall Street crash, Rose goes on a murder-suicide rampage. I'd pay money to see that.
I heard the titanic theme on the kazoo whilst reading that
Yeah, but Samuel L. Jackson would shoot every mofo on the ship in an orgy of revenge against white bigotry; Rose and her mother both would bed him out of sheer admiration for his Mandingo prowess.
Hey Ray, are you Quentin Tarantino in disguise? coz that is a cool movie idea. Get it done.
Let's do it. Can I audition for the abusive fiance?
Not sure a sophisticated 20th century woman could ever go on a rampage. But I'd watch it as well :D
I can tell this era of movies sucks because I used to want to go see movies all the time. My wife too. Now we just stay home rewatching our collection of actuality good movies. We are enjoying sharing the great movies we grew up with with our children, so there’s that.
Well economics also plays a part in that too. Why spend 50 bucks on tickets and popcorn when you can just stay home and stream it?
@@MALICEM12 and because people have that attitude is precisely what's driven Hollywood to quite deliberately change their business model. Streaming gave people the familiarity of just staying home, alongside many of them refusing to buy physical discs anymore - the Hollywood theater business model was forced to switch gears. Films greenlit for the theater are almost always big budget movies based on existing IP because the people tend to refuse to show up for anything less. The likes of Nolan, Paul Thomas Anderson, and Tarantino get a pass because they have tenure..but there's countless original screenplays that get passed up because Hollywood's convinced that it's far too much of a financial risk. Everything Everywhere All At Once was original and quite successful, but it was given a mere $25M budget for something that wouldve been granted a $75M had it been pitched 15 years ago - and it couldve made *great* use of that additional budget yet been just as charming and philosophical.
You can't get a Good Will Hunting, a Forrest Gump, or a Boogie Nights in theaters because those are the types of films that Hollywood KNOWS that nowadays people would just wait for streaming for. Yet streaming giants greenlight and produce based on endless amounts of viewing habits data, solely desparate to gain and maintain subscribers for the long haul - no aim for genuine art as long as their data tells them that key decisions are working. So another great Good Will Hunting like movie could come along, yet may or may not get discovered in the vast sea of endless content that keeps getting churned out just to keep the streaming roster fresh.
People complain about wanting original, heartful art yet keep feeding the machine that killed it.
i watched land the other day it was good.
I do the same thing
Showing my kid the movies I watch when I was little is great, even Disney ones. Atlantis, treasure planet, muppet treasure Island, iron giant, Spirit. All great animated movies from my childhood she loves way more than fucking Wish.
In case you've not noticed, every industry is getting shitter...
You can’t get much lower than the movie and music business today
@@strategery101 Please don't say that. If they see it they'll take it as a challenge.
Shittier. That is the name of this era. I am disappointed in the industry
Porns getting better over the decades, just saying.
Thanks Globalism!
I watched the original Jumanji with my daughter yesterday. I think its from 1994 or something. It's PHENOMENAL. I couldn't believe how entertained I was. It was just, refreshingly brilliant.
David Allen Grier was hilarious in that movie!!!! Allen!!!!!🤣🤣🤣
1995 I missed my childhood days what happened to real movie making now it's all about franchising everything.
This message was inspirational for a lazy day after Xmas! Thank you 12/26/2022... me, my wife & 2 kids put in OG Jumanji made popcorn 🍿 & enjoyed the ride. Fun wholesome & entertaining! Classic movie! Cheers mate
I liked what Tarantino did in the last flick he put out. The Margot Robbie one. It gave a horrible, sad and grim real life tragedy a happy ending. I find that very endearing I'm not ashamed to say.
'happy ending' - the gates of heaven opening up to tell a washed-up actor that he'll always be relevant and never have to face decline and death, only the gates of heaven are the hollywood mansion of a child molestor. Disturbingly pro-Hollywood ending; the whole movie is an indulgent fantasy that's hostile to truth
Once upon a time in Hollywood? As I recall it has a happy ending
@@helvete_ingres4717 I love coming across comments that make zero sense but have all the conviction of a prophets message
That movie had a happy ending? Lol
It was a modern fairy tale with a dark knight stopping the evil
No one will miss this era of culture
The remaining lingerings of the woke weirdos will. Of course they'll grow old and embittered because they will slowly realize that many people their age as well as future generations are going to look at them with contempt for something that they dedicated a large chunk of their life to.
I’m 46 and present time is just baffling too me. Things flowed when I was growing up, now it’s just super constricted and beat down. Talent is far more rare than ever, in every medium.
then you'd be pissed to learn with the same statement he said also the 80's were the worst decade for films.
@@AllenCrawford3 I was there too and it was the golden age of popcorn cinema while the 90s was the golden age of indie films. The 70's were often deep and depressing nihilistic Vietnam counter culture films interspersed with cheesy and camp cinema. What's happening now in streaming happened on the big screen in the 80's and it was glorious.
@@AllenCrawford3 also City of Fire a film from 1987 was the basis for Reservoir Dogs and of course The Killing.
His book "Cinema Speculation" really shows just how much of a historian and cinephile that Tarantino is and why his films have been as awesome as they have throughout his career. He's a fan first and filmmaker second, so him saying this isn't shocking because he sees how uninspired films today are even with the ones that are great.
True dat. He's a great film-maker because of those reasons , he get's it , he knows it and his love of it shows.
He's also fortunate enough to have had success before wokism took over: true F-you money. Can't be shut down, can't be cancelled.
Hot take: Tarantino is very overrated.
I’ve seen his movies and acknowledge that they are well-done but they are just him basing it off movies he watched as a kid.
But I’d rather take that because I know he watched the movies he took inspiration from. I’ll take that any day over a Californian hack who tries to write Shakespeare but is too lazy to read the cliff notes version.
@@NathanCassidy721 He knows how to make a watchable film. He knows the ingredients. As a fanatic he can replicate the elements.
@@NathanCassidy721 Exactly. The fact that he's a fan first and a filmmaker second is a liability, not an asset. He's only good until you see all the much better movies he rips off. All he knows his other movies. I don't know if he's had an original thought. Orson Welles warned against exactly the type of director Tarantino is ten years before Reservoir Dogs (rip off of City on Fire).
Tarantino out there spittin' nothing but absolute facts!!!!
Shame he is a turd of a human being. What he said about Polanski and his victim was disgusting
It’s the worst era of culture in general. Movies, shows, music. ALL at their lowest point ever now.
@strategery101 yup.. when I go to look for new movies to watch online and the years of release are 2020-2022 I know the chances of it being good are next to zero. Does anyone else feel that after 2019 movies just really went downhill?
Id say around 2015 the very sharp decline happened with movies.
@@strategery101 Pop music sucks now, but I don't think it'll ever be as bad as the very early 2000s.
There is a reason my fiancee and I only watch older films and TV shows these days. It's like they were made in an alternate reality where good standards of writing/acting/filmmaking actually mattered.
Even the bad stuff back in the day was better, because at least they TRIED to do something fun.
Seek out a movie called The Hunting Party with Richard Gere, Jesse Eisenberg, Terrence Howard
Seek out a movie called The Hunting Party with Richard Gere, Jesse Eisenberg, Terrence Howard
Do yourself a favor and check out ME-TV. Not sure if you have cable, but it’s a standard channel I believe.
They’ve got all the classics on daily, and Saturday nights they feature a classic monster/horror/sci-fi movie. Then they show Star Trek, Lost in Space, Kolchak The Night Stalker, Voyage to the Bottom of Sea, etc.
I can’t watch any other channels, they’re all boring as hell.
Try the Korean world of entertainment there are some gems.
You can try some foreign stuff. There's anime from Japan, K-Dramas from Korea, many great films from France, India, Japan (rarely), etc.
"This era is going to be looked back on as a time of woe"
-The Drinker
There is NOTHING timeless coming out of Hollowweird now. NO ONE will be looking back at these modern films with nostalgia in even 20 years from now. Assuming the world hasn't blown up in 40 years, all modern films will be forgotten.
i would disagree with this. there are some great films coming out ( i believe they mentioned some of them like everything everywhere all at once) but they are getting drowned out by all of the sludge.
@@toof987 That movie was stupid.
I should think that they aren't forgotten, but made infamous by the new society.
People say this about every decade of movies. Yet in next 20-30 years people will look very fondly to movies from 2000s & 2010s. Lying on your bed & complaining won't take you anywhere.
@@Indeeee No, this is not the case AT ALL. I REMEMBER the 80's and 90's. There were many movies hailed as classics AT THE TIME THEY CAME OUT. Same with the 70's. And the 60's. Remember "2001"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "The Godfather"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "Alien"? INSTANT CLASSIC. "Terminator", "Predator", "Back to the Future", "Lion King"... I could go on and on. What has come out in the last entire decade that will endure like those did? Especially since most of what we're getting are remakes, reboots, and endless sequels and prequels!
I envy to future generations who missed the worst era of filmmaking (hopefully) while we’re here avoiding or forced to eat shit products
They are gonna be to busy fighting in the water wars to watch movies
Hollywood stopped even trying to make entertainment years ago. It’s only there to push the message now.
Same here.
Don't envy them. This is the worst era SO FAR. I see no evidence that movies won't get worse.
Go and watch some better stuff from back in the day, that's what I'm doing right now. Recently discovered Akira Kurosawa and his movies are pure art on celluoid.
When it comes to Tarantino I love some of his movies,some not at all,but when watching any of them I find myself glued to the screen,listening carefully because every scene,every conversation has so much nuance and it’s important to the story or characters,the dialogue is usually very interesting to listen to,the man is passionate about his craft,something that people in Hollywood severely lack.
yes, exactly. there are certain directors (Scorsese is one for me), where I don't necessarily LIKE everything they have done. but still every one of their films has the feel of being a work of passion, with them putting so much effort into it and so much use of their craftsmanship.
(kinda like you don't need to be a fan of a band to still realize the talent and the artistry that was involved to create their songs)
@@xxxaragon most of the great directors have films i personally can't stand in their career history, but its the highlights that outweigh it. even the best can make a bum film, sometimes its their own fault, and more often its the studios. film directors now, its just the same thing made again and again.
@@varsityathlete9927 Tarantino (probably largely thanks to his choice to limit his output) is someone that I think does everything well... I may not like his taste of topics, but the level of execution is consistently at the top, whereas Scorsese has a chunk of work like Age of Innocence, which I saw in the theater and did not dislike, but I also can't distinguish it from every other 19th century drama that I've seen.
The dialogue in Tarantino flicks is just amazing. Normally the more I watch them, the more I like them
@@xxxaragon Agreed. I don't get this devotion to certain directors that people have nowadays. Namely, Zach Snyder. IMO, a mediocre director with mediocre movies who engenders such passions.
Scorsese, Spielberg and Ridley Scott are some of my favorites. Legendary directors. Do I like everything they've done? Hell No! Have they made some stinkers? Hell Yes! Would any sane person put Snyder amongst those three? Insult or critique Snyder and see what happens. They come out of the woodwork. I don't get it.
Oh my God, I remember that "Pirates" movie! I remember it being fairly well acted and had a halfway decent set and special effects and costuming, and the more naughty scenes were actually pretty tasteful and well done. Wow... wouldn't it be sad if a modern-day pirate movie were actually less good than a skin flick?
That one was actually decent enough that I skipped the sex scenes to focus on the plot. And I'm a fucking coomer.
That flick was my ex's favorite. Women found it an appealing storyline blended with sex and action. Not the normal purn flick.
What’s the name of the movie?
It's truly a cult classic.
@@roboguy75 pirates.
Pretty much what the Drinker has said several times, the people in Hollywood have had zero hardships. The people in Hollywood are children. They are of age, but mentally they are children. The soft times that we are living in have led to the inability to mature.
Look at the times of war. You had 18y/o traveling over seas. If they came back a few years later, they would be a 40y/o mentally.
Are you saying we need to start a war and create hard times in order to tell great stories?
@@Jordie_42 no he's saying that great stories come from mature people with real life experience and there are very few of those in Hollywood
@@Jordie_42 oh, look at you, big guy. That is a fun little twist, you did there. Are you hoping to get a job with a corporate media company?
@@comfortablyunknown700 and what are you doing to stop either side of corporate media from being a thing? Our obsession with the military industrial complex cannot be overstated, but you don't see conservative tards like them pointinf that out in Disney's "evil agenda" always cozying up to the US government to endorse warmongering.
@@comfortablyunknown700 why so serious
He's honestly right. A movie can be "good" nowadays by having C-list acting if the story is at least in any way competent
he's not.
@@purefoldnz3070 the popularity of actors does not determine quality of film, look at Jonathan Ross in reservoir dogs compared to she hulk, two different actors in my opinion, yet he’s been a list since dogs
@@burtreynolds8030 no I mean his comment is wrong about film in general not the actors.
@@purefoldnz3070 He is.
If you go home after watching a movie and you didn't cry, laugh, despair, cheer together with the characters in the movie, if the story didn't fill your heart and soul with satisfaction, wonder and food for thoughts then you watched crap. The current situation won't change unless we stop giving these crappy companies our money and our precious time.
Perhaps, but a generation is now raised on crap and knows no different. Like a poor society with food.
Good luck making that happen when fast and the furious movies make billions of dollars no matter how shitty they are.
@@TMTM7 Sure, but I'm talking about movies and series.
@@kleeklee4572 Disney is already in trouble, Amazon failed miserably with ROP, Netflix will lose a lot of customers because of Henry Cavill quitting The Witcher series. I think it can happen, people are tired.
@@TMTM7 totally disagree, the point of sport is to be gladiatorial
QT has more talent in his toenail clippings than a lot of whats coming through today. Just look at the genres he's covered (heists, ww2, subjunctive history etc) and made them work.
@@thesignalnotthenoise1670 if he has plagiarised (and I'm not saying he hasn't) he's done it in a way to make his product that entertaining that we don't care.
The Signal Not The Noise almost all of his movies are instant classics. So idk wtf you're on about. Once upon a time in Hollywood/django/inglorious basterds/hateful 8/pulp fiction/reservoir dogs are all amazing..
@@randybobandy9828 I cannot disagree. The start of Inglourious B's was just something else.
And even when he didn't direct, "just" wrote and starred in - From Dusk till Dawn...awesome film.
@@thesignalnotthenoise1670 I think he's far from perfect, but he pays homage to older movies which is different to plagiarism. Most movies pay homage to earlier stuff and always have.
QT has made a few great movies and he edits & directs good scenes. His dialogue isn't the best in my mind, but a lot of people love it. He absolutely rops whole storied scenes and copies them from other movies and pastes them together in his movie storyline. It's not a homage at this point. That being said, he does build his own creations even if uses other peoples blocks for half his project .
I remember seeing that Pirates movie. Great cast, I rooted for both the heroes and villains the entire movie.
funny thing to me is I legitimately thought they were gonna refer to "Cutthroat Island". which was a legitimately expensive film at the time of its release. and which I feel is better than its bad reputation!
Quentin is a true fan of cinema and I think we need to suupport movies like Top Gun 2, The Batman, Everything everywhere all at once and RRR at the box office if we really want to see a change!
top gun and batman suck
@@astralnight3493 Top Gun was fun man. Havent seen Batman.
The Northman is also a good movie.
@@astralnight3493 They are the best movies of the year
@@RyanG0899 not even close
Most screenwriters today are not book readers or worldly with depth of thought, or lived lives.
I believe Ridley Scott and James Cameron in a sit down said that they were massive book readers and it allowed them to make their films as good as they are. The words conjured the imagination. It wasnt spoonfed to you.
Now they said people are just copying old films of theirs. Without the reading.
Watch Kingdom of Heaven Director’s cut. It's his best historical film in my opinion. (by no means historically accurate, but which film is??)
That's an awful lot of shade getting thrown by two people that haven't produced anything decent in 30 or so years.
Ridley Scott read comics too. Blade runner was heavily influenced by the comic Heavy Metal. He used the magazine as his model and selling point. Comics for adults.
@@bahmuut4825 The fact is that those guys don't read as much as they used to either. It's not just that the new kids don't measure up, but the old guys are growing dull, too.
@@heinoustentacles5719 As the saying goes "You can't teach an old pony new tricks"
QT himself has said that the reason why he limits himself and says he will retire soon unlike other directors, is because he believes film directing and the industry itself isn't permanent
There is talent out there
But if you dont fit into the narrative
You aint working it's as simple as that
Too many weirdos in decision making positions unfortunately
@@compostsmurf5519 that is sadly true
Unfortunately its easier to produce the same shit derived from nostalgia and convince your audience that theyre the stupid ones for not buying it.
For Christ sake how do you think Apple has been this successful for so long? They created one really great product and convinced a bunch of idiots to buy the same one 20+ times over the course of decades.
THE MESSAGE
Joe Rogan said that many times. You have to be in the cult to work.
The scary and sad reality is, you couldn’t make Pulp Fiction today. When you are saddened by that thought, understand that is where we are at today. How many good stories are we missing?
The type of writers you're describing Critical, and you know this as a writer, can not take criticism. Any attempt to improve them as a writer is met with venom and vitriol.
I remember as a kid, when my mom would buy me a ticket to see the latest "Herbie Goes To The Next Place" at the multiplex in the mall while she went shopping I would sneak into the wrong screen. I saw movies(parts of them depending on how much they had already run) like Appocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter, A Married Woman etc. I wanted to experience the adult world and those were indeed adult movies and I was fascinated. They dont make movies like that anymore. At least the major studios no longer really do. Now all the adults flock to the theater to see the latest Guardians of the Deadpool sequel wearing costumes. Its all quite embarrassing. Im guilty of it myself and Im not proud of it.
yeah, I dont get it. I have friends in their 40s who had not go to the cinema in years but they went to see Toy Story 4 in hordes. Like, seriously?? F**k them and their conformism and nostalgia day dreaming.... that´s what accounts for an "adult" these days...
How the mighty have fallen on MCU. It built itself up from Iron Man 1 and had reached its finale of Endgame where it should have stopped right there in a conclusive ending.
Only to then wither and became a soulless shell of its former self.
Infinity War is where it should have end. Endgame was meh.
You mean it didn’t stop there? I stopped watching their content after endgame. These critiques are far more entertaining….
The first Iron Man is still the best!
Yeah unbelievable right?
@andyourlittledog I made it 30 minutes into Endgame and fell asleep.
Haven't bothered with a damn thing from marvel since.
Hollywood's had rough eras before: the mid-1950's when it had a tough time adjusting to the new economic reality that was competition from TV and the mid-late 60's when the studio system collapsed. Hollywood still managed to make some great films in those eras and the collapse of the studio system led to the artistic renaissance of the 1970's. Yet, this era may be the worst, and it's all self-inflicted. Wokeness has been more harmful to films (and arts in general) than anything dreamed-up by the Hays Code, the Moral Majority, or any other right-wing moral crusader boogieman that once haunted the Left.
It IS the worst. And no other era is even close to as bad as this era
There are still a lot of great movies coming out in this era. They are just more niche. And "wokeness" is only a minor problem. "Wokeness" exists to some extent but it is mostly just a bogeyman that conservatives like to rail against because conservatives always need a bogeyman... The problem is financial. Movies cost far too much to make and most movies aren't able to generate nearly as much money as before because of streaming services. That has resulted in homogenization in mainstream movies even though production companies do like to promote superficial diversity of staff.
@@ssssssstssssssss Yep.
@@ssssssstssssssss yes and no, centrists obsess too much over economics. Yes there is a money factor. But it has also been blatantly obvious for a while now that A)even if a company is cautious and fears risk, that doesn't mean that the most successful homogenization is leftist bullshit, yet they went that way anyways. B)even when the leftist bullshit ruins them and costs them millions, they still will not relinquish it.
It's almost like the elite have effectively infinite money and are ideologically motivated. Also like what what people have been saying about them caring more about social engineering than short term financial gains has been true all along.
Movies are shit because the elite went to the next stage and started pumping out Soviet levels of propaganda. But if you look with a critical eye to your nostalgic childhood of movies from 70s-90s you will see that the propaganda was there too. It was just most subtle and rode in the backseat, but always there.
@@ssssssstssssssss This is true. And it started in the 90s. The first Batman had a budget of 35 M. Even adjusted per inflation you would NEVER get to 200 M minimum. But just 3 years later Batman Returns had a 80 M budget, when in the eighties, the most expensive movie ever made was Roger Rabbit and Rambo 3 with 70M. But the groses included many auxiliary sources of income from merch, vhs, worldwide tv rights. Now a platform pretty much buys full rights and there´s no way in hell that they are paying the equivalent of what a movie is not making in merch. A movie like Robin Hood had a cost of 48M and made over 400 M worldwide. Now it cost 200 and there´s no way in hell that those movies can make more than 700/800M with LUCK. Add to that that you have to churn out content like never before in the history of entertainment and you have an industry dominated by FEAR and conformism because its quantity over quality and for most of these people, I´m pretty sure the effort is not even worth it
MCU Phase 1-3 worked well because there was a groundedness to it, and we all knew it was leading to something big.
Phase 4 and on lack Tony and Steve, and we've only seen a hint of what's to come, and right now, it all looks kind of messy.
Entertainment needs to reach people to be meaningful. It can't just be a bunch of glitter and woke signaling.
Phase 1, 2 and 3 weren’t perfect but they were building to something and told good stories while building to the bigger story.
Phase 4 has no idea what it’s doing.
Seriously who's carrying phase 4? Tony is dead and I don't know what happened to Steve. Ain't doctor strange, his character is "I'm just here". Thor got assassinate and be joke in fourth movie. Hawkeye is...idk,I don't watch the Hawkeye show. I don't want to watch it. Hulk is just Mark Ruffalo. Spiderman is still Sony ,I know no way home is not saving this phase. Black widow is assassinate and dead.i know Ant man not saved. They ruined daredevil, he just become She hulk's sextoy. Wolverine and Deadpool...oh God. Yea mcu phase 4 gotta to be one of the worst marvel phase I ever seen
Oh I forgot disney kill black panther.
Agreed.
@@thelaughingrouge There so many Marvel content next year ,god damn. Like phase 1 comparison to phase 4. There's literally six movies in phase 1 like Iron man to The Avengers, man there were good times. But phase 4 has seven movies and eight disney marvel shows. Then makes fifteen Mcu projects. Jesus christ and all those shows are shit
I have never watched a Marvel film more than once, not even the earlier ones, watched Tarantino films dozens of times, he's absolutely right just Disposable films. My fave film this year is actually Top Gun Maverick, hope we get more films like that.
no way there's more movies like TG:M coming, almost the whole point of it was that it's a love-letter to a type of film that's basically impossible to make anymore and they put a kind of meta subtext on that note in the film ('the future is coming..and you're not in it')
Though I agree most marvel movies are crap I've watched the first Ironman and Captain America movies dosens of times. I personally don't like Quinton Tarantino movies and only watched them once. Nevermind I did see Kill Bill twice. I haven't got to see Top Gun yet.
Cap’s movies and Infinity War have incredible rewatch value. And the first Iron Man of course.
@@helvete_ingres4717 not trying to be a smartass here. but if any movie makes 1.4 billion at the boxoffice, we're absolutely gonna get at least +some+ other attempts at it.
@@reservationatdorsias3215 after phase 4, I don’t feel like watching the old mcu movies since I know I would hate phase 4 more
When Quentin says something about film, it's without a doubt true
Except the fact that he loves absolute trash the very most.
How about when he said a 13 year old victim of Polanski was “up for it, and he did nothing wrong” Was he right then?
@@woahblackbettybamalam
She was up for it. He doesn't need to say it, she said it herself long after the fact. Cope.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat You are filth, a child cant consent.
@@woahblackbettybamalam
I didn't say it was appropriate. I just confirmed she was up for it. Doesn't make it right.
Filth in my opinion are commenters who give themselves a thumbs up, lol. Busted.
A guy who quotes Thomas Sowell is a G 👏👏👏
I’ve always hated the fact that movies were catered to either Los Angeles audiences or Manhattan audiences as if those are the only cultures that matter in the United States.
Remember Ricky Gervais' film, The Invention of Lying? That world is the world we are living in right now. Even though the premise is different, the results are the same. No imagination, no risks, no creativity. Everything is now safe, bland, and vanilla.
The irony of you bringing up that movie is that it ended up being a movie that just pushes the director's politics.
I'd say Mike Judge was far closer to present day reality with "Idiocracy," myself.
Gary brought something up I hadn't considered before, myself. There is SO MUCH scripted conted being released these days that the talent pool is just not there to support so much of these projects that studios have to focus on something _other_ than talent or merit.
on the other hand, and I think that's a bit of counterpoint to the pessimism that's very prevalent here, it also means that even if there are bad releases (and, even worse, meaningless by-the-numbers awfully boring ones. complete disasters at least have some fun "car wreck" element to it, basically the reason many people like old garbage c-movies) the sheer numbers also result in gems being produced.
(e.g. if Netflix greenlits 100 projects, at least a handful of them will certainly turn out to be alright)
Korean stuff has great story telling and narrative, along with excellent character building. Just got done watching Hello Me and it had some of the best of all of these that I have seen in years, even though it is just a small story. I had forgotten what good story telling looked like.
Korean stuff is the best IMO. They have the best thrillers, a few very good historical epics and some decent TV shows as well. Honestly, my dad and I mostly watch Korean stuff now. It's our detox from the bad Hollywood stuff out there. For those who've never watched Korean cinema, try:
- The Chaser (2008)
- I saw the devil(2010)
- The Admiral: Roaring Currents
- A dirty Carnival
- Oldboy(2003)
- A taxi Driver
- The man from nowhere
There a many more great films, but there is just too much to list in a comment.
Speaking of Tarantino, any chance to get "A Drinker Recommends" episode dedicated to one (or more) of his movies ?
I'd love for him to do Reservoir Dogs but he'd most likely do Pulp Fiction.
Should just be The Drinker Recommends...QT...and do a medly of the films.
@@vinnie245 I honestly think Tarantino's best works were True Romance(writer only), Inglorious Bastards and Django Unchained.
His other movies are great, yet I think those 3 movies perfectly sum up his best attempt at unique storytelling in alternate or imaginary history.
Kill Bill is also phenomenal. (Volume 1&2)
The Hateful Eight completed an unofficial weird trilogy lol. (The Ridiculous Six(lol, adam sandler), The MagnificentSeven/SevenSamurai, The Hateful Eight)
And True Romance is just interesting af, because he wrote the movie yet someone else directed the movie. And the director did so quite well, yet without the Tarantino flair of style)
Not just for film maker, for every creative people, from comics, to books, videogames or any other medium.
We are living in a time when films are no longer made to withstand the test of time but rather be a big trend really fast and make alot of money even faster and forget about it by the end of the week so we can move onto the next big thing.
We are in a dead culture. Movies and music today are at the lowest point in history
@@strategery101 yes everything for some reasons feels like a sequel or reboot or remix of something. At least out here in the west. Hopefully Japan can keep doing its thing
In other words,movies have become the woman's commodity.Just like fashion.
@@hebanker3372 you think they are ever going to realize how horrible this is for a long term plan, or do you think they just want everything to fail so the just approved the absolute worst decisions they could've possibly made.
@@TheScarletSlayer I would say the former.Capitalism thrives from female consumers and mainstream entertainment has been modified to appeal to them.Eventually,women will just move to the next trend and many entertainment companies will either die out or be reduced to shadows of their former selves.Then,hopefully,new blood will make new quality art that will sell again to men.And if this art becomes popular,women will just move in.And the cycle repeats itself.
Miss the old school Tarantino and Rodriguez silly action films
From Dusk Till Dawn, in my opinion, is one of the most entertaining films of the 90s. Is it Shawshank or Schindlers List? No, but it doesn't have to be, it's a hell of a lot of fun.
@@calvinfolan1736 this film doesnt need to be oscar worthy as the films you mentioned but it just needs to be enjoyable enough to watch, the thing which modern movies isn't able to, and thats the most basic thing
@@aronblanche Exactly, I can't remember the last time I've been to the cinema, so I may be out of the loop in terms of modern film but by the looks of it, I'm not missing much, everything that's released today just seems to be repetitive Marvel garbage.
@@calvinfolan1736 this got me thinking and I've only watched exactly 2 movies in theaters in the last 8ish year's, the remake of IT and Jurassic World, and I mainly went to see Jurassic world to keep a tradition that I had seen ever Jurassic Park movie in theaters going back to when I saw the first one as a kid. Pedowood doesn't deserve any more of my money than that.
Don't forget Blackrock is essentially bribing every studio to be as woke as possible
While also technically in control of most peoples 401ks, if they sold just half of what they have in the market, everything would crash
They own 6% of Disney.
Bribing? No, leveraging.
corporate ESG scores are the source and the reason get woke go broke' doesn't apply to most big corporations
You know it’s a bad when you can’t remember the last good movie you saw at the cinema
DUNE and THE BATMAN
@@armageddon2419 Lol I just remembered Topgun Maverick
All of these and everything everywhere all at once
Sonic 2
The Northman.
I love how whoever's in the bottom right box... They look like they're holding a drink with one arm & the other is resting on the table.
I can't unsee it.
I just spat out my drink
This is why I continue to say that The Expanse is the best show for today's times. It's the best of both worlds. You have all the diversity and representation you could ever ask for and still is brilliantly written
I stand by my opinion that the midseason 2 climax of The Expanse is one of the most interesting sci-fi moments I have ever seen.
I would say more yet I do not want to provide any spoilers whatsoever.
I hope they finish the story with another series.
Except for the part where they ruined Naomi's character..."Philip! Phiiiiiilipppp! PHIIIILLLLIIIIPPPP!!!" That's all we heard for an entire season. Gah.
@@kennyobrien I also hated Naomi in S5, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate. She was always portrayed as the most "moral" of the crew and finding long lost son might justify her actions. She still owned her escape though.
@@Szpareq They took too long to tell that part of the story. But they were inexpensive scenes to shoot, so they drug them out as needed. I ended up fast forwarding through every scene she was in until her escape.
>If you recognize the publishing company, it's probably not a good movie.
Ahh... the smell of the 2020s.
Cinema is in a dreary state. The rise of digital cameras must be a coincidence...
I agree with Drinker that it only ever swings one way, because for all their talk about diversity and inclusion it only ever applies to the things THEY approve of and allow.
So what do want to see more of in movies that u arent? U say they are only showing one side. What's the side they are not showing?
@@tomh1593 Basically anything and everything that doesn't fit in with "the message" or show the opposing view as anything other than completely evil and wrong.
As for what I want to see, more good characters and writing in general. Oh and less politicizing everything and being hostile to the fans would be great too thanks.
@@capthavic the "messages" in these movies are all positive messages. Diversity is positive. So you think there should be anti gay and racist viewpoints in these movies?
@@tomh1593 No, that's not what I said/want and you know it.
@@tomh1593 Christ, you saw 1+1 and ended up with 6000 there, didn't you pal? 🤦🏻♂️
I'm interested to see if there is going to be a push come shove situation. I think there is a possibility of Equilibrium. In other words, If the load gets too big to handle. Will there be fatigue from bad movies, that people will not be willing to pay for them anymore? If you look at movies like Joker that did good, but in my opinion was just ok and not the best ever. I think it was just better than what was offered and there was a matter of comparison to the crap as an alternative that people no longer want. I think the MCU is in major trouble because they are watering down the product and people will stop buying sub-par products. But what do all of you think?
Its funny that the super hero porn parodies are more faithful to the source material than Hollywood.
Would not use the word funny... Like at all.
@@usern4metak3ns at this point you can only laugh or cry
@@usern4metak3ns it IS funny tho. Like, it’s literally hilarious.
No kidding! Kenzie Taylor was feminine, badass AND comic book accurate as Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel! Even the Skrulls looked EXACTLY like their comic book counterparts! Axel Braun is a TRUE comic book fan unlike Feige and his SJW overlords!
@@Facade953 I think Favreau is a fan. He seems to actually care about content
He’s also said that the 80’s was a bad time for movies. As much as I love Tarantino, he doesn’t fully get what’s going on.
There were a lot of bad 80s movies. I'd go down to my local video rental store and see LOTS of these B-feature movies on the shelves, most of which were excruciatingly bad, yet a few had a certain charm about them.
@@evertonporter7887 those are the ones that Tarantino would probably like. He’s said that movies in the 80’s and the 50’s suffered from the prevailing cultural ideology, presumably conservatism. Movies in the 50’s were highly censored, but many great directors found creative ways to work around it or just push the envelope. In the 80’s, there was a push for family friendly franchises and commercial fare, compared to Tarantino’s beloved 70’s. But the 80’s also gave us so many great sci-fi, fantasy, horror and other genre movies. Not to mention, the rating system was pushed to include PG-13. And the independent movies of the 80’s were truly independent, unlike the 90’s when they were usually produced by the subsidiaries of major studios. I think Tarantino actually said the next decade will be like the 80’s in that they are subject to the prevailing ideology, but he’s never called out the woke power structure that is ruining his art form. Who knows, if Top Gun is any indication, the pendulum may swing in the right direction and it will be like the 80’s. I hope so!
Tarantino a fan of grindhouse films and blaxploitation mess.
@@Thespeedrap and those are staples of the 70’s. Tarantino likes all kinds of movies, but he seems to make a point of not liking anything overtly commercial, especially if it’s family friendly, which to him the 80’s was all about. I disagree with him. I think it’s one of his blind spots. Or it’s his way of seeming even handed when he criticizes modern movies. He actually said this decade is just like the 80’s. It’s ridiculous, even if you didn’t like the 80’s!
@@JustJohnForNow I wouldn't compare this decade to anything it's more like apocalyptic times we're in.The 80s had a couple decent films but other than that it's really trash.
I've been rewatching all the Tarantino movies lately with my gf who'd never seen them. So far: Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds, Jackie Brown and Kill Bill Vol 1.
It's been a great few months, lots of my favorite old movies to go!
Tarantino: "there's not enough toes in movies nowadays"
I just went back to my old DVDs several years ago, 80s and '90s were a lot better.
I picked up Reservoir Dogs on 4K last week and while I think Tarantino’s last few movies aren’t as good as his early stuff he hit the nail on the head. Meanwhile as much as I want to watch wakanda forever it’s the same feeling of wanting to do it like I’m stalling to rake leaves
Tarantino's movies have always been hit or miss with me personally. Some I really like and others I really hate.
Agreed. We are only rehashing old stories. Where are the movies like Tremors or the last samurai??
Complains about rehashing old stories then asks why they're not making films like 2 old movies???
What a strange pair of films to reminisce about: both decent films but I wouldn't ever find myself yearning for films like these again.
@@danjonmills The Last Samurai is underrated. It's miles better than most films today, I mean, come on. How the hell could you not want more historical epics? If done right it's the best cinema out there.
Haha the way the background lines up, it looks like George is constantly holding a drink up. Cheers mate!
It’s the age of content and pandering to the nostalgia and obsession of the past, not moving forward and telling new and interesting stories.
Obsession of the past, while shitting on it
So much for being "progressive"
Hollywood: “remember that movie that was popular years ago?… how about we just do that again… but really really badly..”
@@strategery101 *”… but for a modern audience”
This sounds as if its deliberate (I think it is but only to a certain degree). The rest you could also call it lack of imagination and creativity, with rehashes and remakes being the only solution they can think out of it.
I don't think there's a lack of writing/directing talent per se, I think some writers/directors are just imitating what they've seen/read rather than actually having something they are passionate about saying, based on life experience. And they don't get the opportunity to get what they really want made. And it's rushed into production with executives giving 'notes' and making desperate changes based on audience test screenings - or worse filming alternative scenes so they can patch it together however they want. There are still great indie movies being made.
I must thoroughly reject this… film makers had to fight really hard against the studios in the past and they still got made. They have a much more permissive culture at the studios and they are now churning out shit.
Yeah there is. The pipeline is fucked up since TV died. Writers and directors arent getting the practice they need before the big leagues. Plus with less people watching movies now, studios are saving money wherever they can. Hiring brand new writers and directors gives the studio creative control
@@trequor they don’t learn the formula anymore. It’s very interesting because the soundtrack composer sticks to the formula. I think composition is as good as ever. But the writing team forgot they have to catch lightning in a bottle and Pulp Fiction is nearly 30 years old. It’s been done. They lack the ability to do better because they aren’t taught to.
Maybe they spend too much time whining about capitalism to actually practice writing in college? 🤔
@@Xplora213 Yes and no. The studios used to be run by people who cared about output. That doesn't mean it was easy to get a movie made. When they got taken over by money men, they stopped caring about quality and only focused on profit.
My point is that it's not 'talent' that's the problem as such, it's that the previous generation, and the one before, lived through real shit, and had something to say, and as the technology evolved there was more freedom to express things in different and bold ways.
Art and culture has somewhat stagnated in post post modernism, where we see mostly derivative and unoriginal work. But that doesn't mean there are not any talented writers/directors working today as was generalised in the video.
@@Xplora213 They dont need lightning in a bottle, just basic competency and a spark of creativity. Lightning in a bottle cant be called upon; it must be captured organically when it appears. That's the point of the idiom.
And the standards get lower and lower. When the sequel to Top Gun is better than most movies this year and grosses so much money (I thought it was decent, nothing more), that's a signal.
Product of the school system. When teachers or the left teach you have no right to critique someone's work and it's all subjective, you get people who can't write. Art, literature, whatever liberal arts they infected, is the same.
When someone takes a poop on a canvas and calls it art, then people jump up to defend it saying "it's in the eye of the beholder". You get a whole generation that doesn't learn to paint because that's hard. Pooping on a canvas is easy.
Writing and story telling is exactly the same. Hollywood writers poop on a paper and call it art. And then they tell you it's gold and the problem is YOU.
6:08 The principle of doublethink lifted from the pages of George Orwell's 1984, being practiced in Hollywood
Y'all are a solid crew! Thanks, Gents! Each person there does a fab job offering materials non-indulgent points.
This dark age extends to everything else not just film. I bought a 4Runner because it is largely unchanged since 2003. Look at car people and they’ll tell you the best era for cars was mid-90s to mid-00’s. Music, check…basically 2010 to present it has been a lost decade. Smart phones, social media, Woke activism and the emotionally abusive tyranny of moral crusaders have combined to form a perfect storm.
Wtf does "woke activism" have to do with anything minus your own confusing political arguement?
@@rgreenberg35 It's because so many, probably most industries are fine with hiring based on quotas and not merit. I recently saw a new study was released and most managers say they specifically do discriminate against straight white men. And that's not all the problems, the other problem is people are just getting dumber so progress is basically halted.
wait, who believes the the mid 90's to mid-00's were the best time for music?!?
@@xxxaragon You didn't like Sugar Ray and the Baha Men?
@@xxxaragon not saying the best times, but better times. As far as music, look up thoughty2 on TH-cam; he has and video on why music sucks nowadays; it’s industrialized and made mainly by two men. The art is lost.
The ideas themselves are not the problem. The problem is the utter lack of talent in presenting the ideas, which is indicative of ideological litmus test hiring policies. There's a reason why government propaganda films are so bad. The film makers were hired for their political ideology, not because of their level of talent.
You know it’s bad when the director whose entire filmography is entirely based off of other movies he likes makes a statement like this.
Tarantino is a movie DJ, an accomplished analog cinematographer and an interesting writer.
He has not hid this idea from you. He has explicitly explained all of his process by this point.
Sample culture bro. Tarantino understood the quality of remixed storytelling in cinema long before many others did.
@@py_a_thon 'movie DJ' - I like that way of putting it. 'Sample culture', yes QT films are explicitly postmodern - in his biggest film the characters literally say 'let's get into character'
@@helvete_ingres4717 I am not sure post-modernism describes his works well though.
His simulations/simulacrums are transparent. He does not present a hyperreality or some kind of destruction of truth. He did not examine post modern ideals ala "The Matrix" or something like that.
His films are closer to Absurdism than Post-Modernism. Many of his films involve an almost comedy of intertwined errors as well. He embraces the absurd. (Man rescues prostitute and runs away with a brick of druqs, everything gets progressively more crazy from a single act of humanity...ie: True Romance)
The Bride from Kill Bill for example. She is just constantly rolling a boulder up a fukkin ridiculous hill...
And the cathartic release is when she does not fall down the mountain, and instead achieves an absurd goal (to Kill Bill).
Revenge is absurd. Revenge is human.
And arguably he does a better job than the movies he’s inspired by
@@burtreynolds8030 Eh, I would say, "No," but it boils down more to personal preference over quality of the film.
If given the choice between him and a modern director like say JJ Abrams, he is an easy pick.
Isn't it like a few more decades until all of these properties are up for grabs?
Terrifier 2 was freaking amazing, the director made the movie he wanted without studio interruptions. In the process creating one of the best antagonists in recent memory
yes! Art the clown to me joins the patheon of iconic horror movie slashers
Love that movie too! Such a great callback to horror classics while still having its own distinct identity.
It’s a simple premise that is done perfectly. Hollywood should take notes.
Art is terrifying as all hell.
I love the way Drinker compares Ryan Johnson's head to a soccer ball. Kills me every time. It rings true on so many levels. His head is empty and full of air.
I miss those days of seeing movies that were fun and didn't shove "the message" on the audience.
OMG! I stumbled on a discussion with both The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic in it. Definitely something to give thanks for on Thursday! I'm goint to figure out how to find more of these. Cheers, folks!
Gary is morphing into George RR Martin
I think he’s still got a few hundred pounds to go 😂
I enjoy your videos a lot Critical Drinker, but I confess that as a working screenwriter in Hollywood (barely!), I'm not sure my perspective always aligns with your own. It's probably a much longer conversation than a TH-cam comment post, but in general it feels like sometimes you and your friends treat Hollywood 1) like a singular entity, 2) like an industry with an active agenda other than maximizing revenue, and 3) like a world where the movies you see accurately reflect the screenwriter's vision, and - in my personal experience - that's not really the case.
In short I'd say that I think of most movies as this long pipeline where a screenwriter pours their heart and soul into one end and then prays they're proud of what comes out the other side. Because there are so many cooks in the kitchen, so many producers and executives and others weighing in, that by the end the flaws you notice are likely flaws that are ALSO noticed by the writers themselves.
Also, I'm not sure I agree about the stark divide between timeless themes and woke/activist themes of the moment. Some of our collective favorite films in history are both timeless and also addressed a specific social crisis at the time (I'd say most of the great films of the 70s, for example, are often explicitly political or even “activist” for the time). It might sound like a copout, but for me it's more a question of quality. A good writer (and a production team that shepherd their vision) can tell an openly political “message” film that you never think of as such since it feels like a genuine work of art with those themes deftly woven in, while a corporate boardroom's manufactured “message” rings false - to you, to me, to even the people they think they're appealing to.
Anyway, this is just my two cents, but I do really enjoy your videos and your discussions. Thanks.
Tarantino staying based as always
I live and work in LA. The writing is “current year”. When we look back on this era of film making it will feel like after school specials.
"A time of woe" is a great way to describe it.
I never could have imagined that the mid to late 90's would be usurped as the dark ages of cinema.....in my wildest dreams I couldn't have foreseen it.
I worked in a chain hardware store that sold disposable Chinese junk for cheap. There is a huge difference between that and quality tools that are made to last through severe duty for years and years. And the company treated its employees the same way: not worth a big investment, disposable, easy come/easy go. Same deal here.
Well, moviemakers will spend big money, but they still don't know what they're doing though. They just throw a lot of mud at the wall and see what sticks. If they succeed, it's largely sheer dumb luck. As they say, they spend nearly as much effort on bad films as on good ones.
@Raylan Givens It will collapse (observers surroundings)
Yet he also said the 80's was also the worst era of filmmaking as well.
That alcoholic thing hit home lol. I have the 'gift' of almost never getting a hangover, no matter how much I drink, as long as I eat something that is, and I never really went too crazy, so kept me drinking WAY too long lol. Glad the Drinker seems to be pretty productive despite apparently drinking a bit too much every day, wish I could have done that, I was useless all those nights.
i hope in the future it doesnt become a problem for him..i hope he plays up the fact of drinking alot of alcohol but in reality limits himself
This discussion made me very sad. What a mess we are in as a society.
I haven't seen a lot of critical and nerdrotic on the same streams, but damn this is 100x better than any MCU crossover
This is NOTHING but a giant Echo Chamber, these guys don't even acknowledge the full quote said by Tarantino. "I do feel that '80s cinema is, along with the '50s, the worst era in Hollywood history,". "Matched only by now, matched only by the current era."
They cherry picked the quote to fit their argument.
The other day I watched 'Clear and Present Danger' with Harrison Ford and it left me depressed because in order to watch a decent action movie nowadays (with no female lead killing men), I have to go all the way back to the 90s archives.
I love the music during that ambush scene.
All those Jack Ryan movies are meh. I've seen The Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games, A Clear and Present Danger and The Sum Of All Fears and wasn't fussed on any of them.
@@MagcargoMan Hunt For Red October is a great movie. The first and best of all the Tom Clancy adaptations.
When George quoted Thomas Sowell, I automatically liked this video.
Super man going back to Kansas to rediscover his routes does actually sound like a good story 😂
Worst era of Filmmaking, worst era of gaming (well in the past 40 years anyhow), worst era of News, worst era of politics, worst era of just BEING. 2020 has been a real sh*(show
This era has probably some of the best video games i have ever played in my life,everything from the last of us 1 to rdr2 was an experience in itself
@@sibinmathew7985 The Last of us was PS3 era and RDR2 was like one game years ago. we're going through a steep decline with nothing but remasters, gaming post-2016 has mostly been lackluster, even if RDR2 is great there were much more quality and creative games released during the PS2/Xbox era.
We have instead been going through a golden age of indie games though, so there's that.
The shitshow really started in the 2010s, it's just coming to full fruition now. I do have to disagree on video games though. There have been some really good video games.
Worst era of gaming? Those are the golden Times of Gaming.
@@g.v4848 if you have zero taste and only play AAA games then yeah its a shitty time for you. but there are so many good games out there for any genre you like.
this can all be traced back to ESG. We all need to bring THAT conversation to the forefront.
You know it's bad when old movies that everyone made fun of back in the day actually look pretty good. We just watched Sam Raimi's Spiderman 3 and loved it, completely with emo Peter dancing down the street. Compared to Marvel's Phase 4, it's a freakin' masterpiece. 😄
It’s funny watching stuff that got bad reviews like The Cube which is a damn masterpiece compared to the best reviewed stuff today.
7:40 Gary: talking about alcoholics hitting rock bottom
Drinker: casually takes a swig from his bottle 😂😂😂😂
no offense drinker, i love your work 🤘
Whenever I think of modern movie-makers I think of that twitter post about the guy who went to Black Panther and didn't watch the movie at all, he just watched the smile on the Black kid's face behind him. They don't give a rats ass about what happens on the screen; only its social impact.
I’ve seen 6 movie in the theater in the last couple weeks: The System, Black Adam, Wakanda, The Menu, Banshees Of Inesheron, The Fabelmans. I list them in order from worst to best, and the first three were really awful.
I’ve had a chance to work and chat with Tarantino (we called him QT), and he warned about the growing dominance of comic book flicks, pushing out the smaller story-driven indie films. There’s a wealth of small film producers, but there’s less opportunity for them to get their projects into theatres. QT may have had a harder time starting in the business if were trying to break through today.