While in the U. S. Navy, I had a handy-sized 1960s A.V./K.J.V. Bible with Apocrypha, leather-bound and attractive, from Oxford. (I was not aware back then of the superiority of the Cambridge text.) I kept that nice full Bible under the mattress of my bunk. WHen about my daily chores and other on-board life on that W.W.-2 vintage destroyer, I had either my A.V. or R.S.V. New Testament/Psalms compact edition in the back pocket of my dungarees. My pastor had given me the A.V. Psalms in a tiny red-leather edition, which I carried at all times in my denim shirt pocket (referring to Navy work clothes rather than to the "crackerjacks" dress blues or whites). The wear and tear of onboard life at sea and at shore sure took a toll. The small Psalms suffered a lot from the sweat and the salt of the sea water and the N.T. pocket editions were thoroughly rife with wrinkles from carrying them about. I still treasure all four of those publications which got me through such hard times in the military. I have them all to this day, as well as the sailor's brief B.C.P. that the Protestant Episcopal Church provided me.
This review was a real joy to watch. Very nicely done. While I have plenty of Bibles I may get this one as I like the Apocrypha inclusion. Really a complete Cameo since the references are both ways to the Apocrypha. I do have the red hard back version of the Cambridge Apocrypha. From my perspective it is important to ground oneself in the old and new testament first and then read complementary books like the Apocrypha and Josephus. I found the books of Maccabees particularly useful when studying Daniel. I believe Maccabees contains some prophecy fulfillment. Much of the same information is included in Josephus as well. Again thank you.
At about the 20 minute point, I show a chart that lists the Apocryphal books contained in Codex Alexandrinus. The chart indicates the books included in the KJV Apocrypha, and it depicts differences between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox canons of scripture.
The chart shows three columns, each listing books that are not in the normal Protestant 39 books of the Old Testament. The first column shows the additional books in Codex Alexandrinus. (Alexandrinus is usually referred to as "A"; Codex Vaticanus is "B", and so on.) Alexandrinus is a manuscript written on animal skins preserved from the 400s A.D. All the books in the column headed by "In Codex Alexandrinus" are written in that codex, regardless of the font color shown on the chart. The blue font indicates the books that are in the KJV apocrypha. So you'll find 2 Maccabees in the Cameo I review in the video, but 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Psalm 151, Odes, and the Psalms of Solomon are not in my Cameo KJV. The next column shows the books Roman Catholics add to their Bibles. All of those books are in the KJV apocrypha. The final column shows books in the Eastern Orthodox canon. So if you were Eastern Orthodox, the Cameo wouldn't quite cover all of your Old Testament. It leaves out 3 Maccabees and Psalm 151. Let me know if you have a specific question, and I'll try to answer it.
R. Grant Jones yes brother, I have one more question if you can please reply. I love the size of this book. Do you know if I can get my Septuagint or Peshitta customy made in this same size, length, width? If I could get my Septuagint in this same format, it'll be a dream come true. Please let me know brother. God bless you
Very informative review. Thank you. My disappointment is that there is no goatskin option for this edition (w/ Apocrypha), but this is a universal complaint, as I know of no goatskin KJV featuring deuterocanonical texts. Cambridge's decisions regarding the inclusion of the Apocrypha is inscrutable to me. For instance, my cherished copy of the Cambridge Heritage Edition KJV + Book of Common Prayer 1662 is one notch below perfect, because strangely it does not include the very Apocryphal texts that are called upon in the BCP lectionary for daily office reading. But I am off topic. Thank you, again, and kudos for somehow making a relevant connection to Robert E. Howard in a bible review.
Thanks for the comment. I don't remember why I mentioned Howard, but I'm glad the reference was relevant. My guess is that market forces are behind the general absence of the Deuterocanonical books from KJVs. It goes back to Reformed objection to them from as far back as the 16th century, and their consequent omission by Bible societies, beginning in the 1820s.
Once again, excellent presentation and comparisons in this video. I did a price comparison of KJVs with Apocrypha and settled on the one published by the Anglican Catholic Church traditional Anglican jurisdiction with the 1928 BCP (wish it was the 1662 BCP), though it has no concordance. I also have that New Oxford RSV with Apocrypha, the CBP Hand-size Turquoise, and the ESV Apocrypha published by Concordia (to go along with my Lutheran Study Bible) that I use for devotional reading. I won't list my other Bibles except for the Genuine Leather Douay-Rheims with Apocrypha, which I purchased specifically for the Apocrypha. Unfortunately, I gave my Orthodox Study Bible away, with its Apocrypha translation. Your videos continue to make my "bibles to puchase" list grow. But, that's a good thing.
The Anglican Catholic Church KJV with the 1928 BCP sounds tempting. The 1928 BCP communion service leaves all others in the dust, in my opinion. Another viewer mentioned the Concordia edition of the Apocrypha to me. I may order that some time next year. Thanks for the kind words about the videos.
@@RGrantJones www.anglicanbooks.com/collections/prayer-books The 1928 does not have the Athanasian Creed, otherwise I quite like it. The consecration in the 1928 BCP Communion service has that epiclesis. I like that. I think it came by way of the Scottish church, if memory serves.
@@AmericanShia786 - Thanks for the link! It's a bit on the expensive side, isn't it? But I'll add it to my wish list anyway. Regarding the epiclesis, I think you're right. In fact, I have Shepherd's _Oxford Prayer Book Commentary_ here, and he writes, "The American Book's form, as adopted in 1789, is a skilful [sic] compromise between the English and the Scottish wording..."
@@RGrantJones Now, there's a book I'd love to own, but Shepherd's Oxford Prayer Book Commentary appears to be out of print and available copies are more than my wise wife will let me spend. (smile) But, I'm adding it to my wish list. Thanks for quoting from it.
Another great review, thank you! I've not really looked at the apocrypha at all so it was very interesting to take a closer look at it here with you & see the comparisons with certain verses highlighted. The John Bunyan bit also - I've been listening to a "Grace Abounding" audio on here & really like it, so I like how you mentioned that, I think it's from that book. This is a beautiful Bible. I really like my Cameo too! 😊
Thanks, Tom. Yes, the story of the verse from Ecclesiasticus is from Bunyan's Grace Abounding: "Thus I continued above a year, and could not find the place; but at last, casting my eye into the Apocrypha books, I found it in Ecclesiasticus 2.10."
@@RGrantJones just asking: do you believe the Apocrypha in-between the Old & New Testaments in the Cambridge Cameo version is inspired & part of the Bible? I know it was in the 1611 version, but later removed in the 1769 version. Would greatly appreciate your thoughts. God bless you!
@@BornAgainRN - thanks for the question. I would say those books are part of the Bible but are not Holy Scripture, and so are not inspired, as the canonical books, which constitute Holy Scripture, are. (I accept the 39 articles, and what I've written above is the way I understand Article 6.)
Very excellent review, thank you so much. I am a fan of yours! I am in the market for another Bible, as I collect them and love to read from my collection. I haven’t decided whether I should get a Cambridge Cameo KJV with Apocrypha, or an Oxford Annotated Bible RSV with Apocrypha. There is a difference in price, but that isn’t too big of a concern at the moment. I am interested in the Cambridge because of the leather quality and the size. The Oxford has the extra Apocryphal books such as Psalm 151 and others, but I think the leather isn’t as nice, and the size is much bigger. So I appreciate your reviews on both my options. I just love your videos. Thank you so much for your reviews. This Idaho Potato enjoys them very much!
Thanks so much for those encouraging comments, Winnie! I think you're right about the leather. The paper is better in the Cambridge Cameo also, in my opinion. But, as you point out, the New Oxford Annotated Bible (RSV) has books and fragments of books that aren't in the Cameo, and the RSV is an excellent companion translation -- useful in illuminating passages that are dark at first reading in the KJV. So I think you'll eventually have to acquire them both!
Another interesting parallel: Sirach 51.26-27 // Matthew 11.28-30. "Put your neck under the yoke, and let your soul receive instruction: she is hard at hand to find. Behold with your eyes, how that I have had but little labout, and have gotten unto me much rest." (KJV)
I recently purchased a Cameo, and the copyright page has additional information than yours. It includes info bout where the paper is sourced and that the KJV rights permissions in the UK. The maps are completely different. The map index is in a more modern format than is shown in the video. The maps themselves are from Oxford Cartographers with a copyright from Cambridge in 2011.
is there a text version of the Cameo w/ Apocrypha (or any other cambridge bible) that doesnt have the center reference column?? Can't find anything anywhere. I want a leather KJV w/ Apocrypha and two simple text columns, regular margins.. seems like a unicorn
I don't think they contain the apocrypha, and I hear you it is hard to find one; but go search "local church bible publishers" and take a look at their selection.
Thanks, Sylvain. I've always liked the Cameo. This one is printed very well and the cover, though not exceptional, is nice. The Cameo's line spacing could be better, but it doesn't bother me much because the columns are narrow. Yes, I intend to review that Oxford RSV -- and a somewhat similar work, the Roman Catholic Didache Bible, on successive weeks.
@RGrantJones could you please provide resources to your statement on the Latin texts being corrupted? Curious to see the commentary on the subject. Thank you for the reviews always insightful.
@@austinrucker3853 - I believe my remark was based on a footnote at 2 Esdras 14.44 in the RSV New Oxford Annotated Bible. That footnote reads, 'Syr Ethiop Arab 1 Arm: Latin is corrupt.' The footnote maps into the word 'ninety-four' in 'So during the forty days ninety-four books were written.' The KJV has 204, with a footnote that gives 904 as an alternative.
Does anyone know if the cross references go to and from the apocrypha (for this KJV Cameo)? Some Bibles with Apocrypha do not have references for the apocrypha.
Thanks for the question, James. There are references in the Apocrypha to both Apocryphal and non-Apocryphal books. There are a few references in the non-Apocryphal books to the Apocrypha. For instance, there is a reference to Wisdom 2.23 at Genesis 1.26, and one to Sirach 39.16 at Genesis 1.31. But there aren't many, and some prominent ones are absent. For instance, while Sirach 15.11 contains a reference to James 1.13, there is no reference at James 1.13 to Sirach 15.11. Similarly, Wisdom 7.26 carries a reference to Hebrews 1.3, but there is no reference at Hebrews 1.3 to Wisdom 7.26.
@@RGrantJones Thank you Grant for the reply. That is a little disappointing, but it is still better than most of the Bibles with Apocrypha that I've come across so far. Also it is the KJV, which is so beautiful. This one is going on my list. You are doing us a great service with this channel. Thank you.
No. 2 Esdras on that chart isn't Nehemiah, and 1 Esdras isn't Ezra. The Douay-Rheims calls Ezra, 1 Esdras, and Nehemiah, 2 Esdras, but the books termed 1 and 2 Esdras on that chart are not Ezra and Nehemiah.
Thank you Mr Jones; I’ve learned a lot watching your videos. My question is whether this Cameo’s cross references are fully integrated with the Apocrypha, referring both from and to the Apocrypha. I have been looking for such an edition and wondering if such even exists or is currently in print, be it KJV Cameo or Schuyler RSV or ESV Diadem or any other edition in the KJV/Tyndale tradition. Thank you.
David - thanks for the kind comment and the question. No, the references aren't fully integrated with the Apocrypha. For instance, at Wisdom 7.26 there is a reference to Hebrews 1.3, but there is no reference to Wisdom 7.26 at Hebrews 1.3. The original KJV did integrate the references, though it had few of them. I don't have a copy of the ESV Diadem (the font is too small for me). I believe the references in the Schuler RSV are the same as those in the 1989 NRSV with Apocrypha, and those appear not to be fully integrated either.
Hello, R. Grant Jones. I'm just wondering if you will be getting the brand new KJV with Apocrypha that Thomas Nelson is releasing next month? It has a 9.5 comfort print (bigger than the Cameo's 8-point font) and it has 73,000 cross-references.
I believe that's correct. The table of contents excludes the Apocrypha from the Old Testament, and the concordance is entitled 'Concordance to the Old and New Testaments'. Skimming through the concordance, I find no entries referencing Apocryphal books.
did you notice that the red letter is sometimes very badly matched with the black letter...? (places where the red text is noticeable higher up than the black....) ... at least in my copy which i ordered a few years ago....
@@RGrantJones a very late response: my copy must be another printing and edition, for the red letter is very much in misalignment in many places, one bad example is in Mark 8 where the red letter is not only in misalignment but is "lopsided"... i ordered this in 2013 and i should have returned it back then, for it is really bad... and the red letter is not really red, but almost brown, maybe dark red, but difficult to define... (though i know the modern trend in "red letter" is different, a more "wine" red/light brown maybe...) also, the print of the red letter is often very thick and sometimes almost unreadable, and the unevenness of the red letter is extreme, never seen it this bad, sometimes very light and other times very dark... it does not look good, i suspect my copy was a "misprinting" or something... i regret that i didn't order the black letter one... i payed full price for it, it is too expensive an edition to be sold at full price with these weaknesses, but if it had been priced down to half price, as a copy with misprints, then it could have been a fair purchase... it must have been a complete print run with these errors, so i am certainly not alone in owning an edition with these errors... -- i am not sure they had the Cameo black letter with the Apocrypha... i don't know what is available today of this, but i have seen reviews of the Cameo with Apocrypha that are very good both in alignment of the red letter and the red letter itself...
I noticed in the KJV Cameo Reference Edition With Apocrypha. The Wisdom of Solomon chapter 1 verse 5 reads, For the holy spirit of discipline will flee deceit... But in the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible, KJV with Apocrypha by David Norton it reads, For the holy spirit of discipline will fly deceit... So no idea if this was intentional or if it was by mistake by Norton.
Thank You for this wonderful review, brother. Love your work. This Bible would have been almost perfect had Cambridge included "The Translators to the Reader." Seriously why not include that? It's not super long as to where it would add too much weight or thickness to the Bible. It's just perplexing that they keep the essay out of so many KJV Bibles, especially a more deluxe Bible such as the one in this review. It's so hard to find a good portable KJV Bible with premium materials that includes the Apocrypha and when I do find one, they leave out Smith's wonderful work.
Thanks very much for the kind comment, Evangelical Stuff. I don't understand many of the decisions publishers make. Why they would chose to omit 'The Translators to the Reader' is a mystery to me.
An interesting point of at least some Cambridge A.V. (K.J.V.) Bibles with Apocrypha is that the cross-references in the centre include references to and from the Apocrypha to the other books of the Bible. Sometimes this results in greater pertinence of such referencing.
As a Protestant who only reads the 66 books of the Bible, will I be missing some crucial point in my sanctification if I don’t read the other books? If I end up being wrong, and the catholic bible/apocrypha are cannon, will I have a sufficient relationship with Christ having learned it through only the 66 books?
@R. Grant Jones my versions of this Bible forgot to make the words of the Lord Jesus red in the book of Revelation. Was it the same for you in this Bible?
Yes, but I think it was a deliberate editorial decision. Some red letter Bibles (like this one) leave the words of Christ after his ascension in black ink. For instance, Acts 9.5 is in black ink in my copy, just like Revelation.
It does. My guess is that the type in the OT and NT have suffered from wear, while the Apocrypha, being printed less often, was printed using type that looks more like the original. (Of course, my copy was probably printed with more modern techniques, but it's based on a printed exemplar.) It reminds me of the difference between my 1904 Brevier Clarendon and more recent printings.
The rep on Allan's Facebook page suggested if someone were to provide an older Clarendon to look at they might be able to rectify that issue. (I have a 7C and have noticed the issues to which you refer.)
I searched Google books, and here's what I came up with: books.google.com/books?id=7GohAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA137&dq=oxford+brevier+clarendon&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAzIfdi8vbAhWNvVMKHfdwA2AQ6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=oxford%20brevier%20clarendon&f=false . It's the Publisher's Circular and Booksellers' Record from the first half of 1904, and it includes an advertisement for the Brevier Clarendon 16mo as a *new* Oxford edition of the Authorized Version. See page 137.
Can You compare 2 Esdras chapter 7 to RSV? KJV and GENEVA Bibles with apocrypha had only 70 verses and 70 is missing. RSV have 140. What about the Cambridge KJV Cameo Reference Edition with Apocrypha? Does it have 70 or 140 verses???
Thanks for the question, Krzysztof! The Cambridge KJV Cameo Reference Edition with Apocrypha contains only 70 verses. A footnote in the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha (RSV) states that the additional verses "are lacking from the standard editions of the Latin Vulgate and from the King James version. They are present in the Syriac, Ethiopic, Arabic, and Armenian versions, and in two Latin manuscripts. The section was probably deliberately cut out of an ancestor of most extant Latin manuscripts because of dogmatic reasons, for the passage contains an emphatic denial of the value of prayers for the dead." The footnote references the verse this edition numbers as [105].
Does anyone know if I can get my Septuagint or Peshitta customy made in this same size, length, width? If I could get my Septuagint in this same format, it'll be a dream come true. Someone please let me know.
I don't know of anyone who prints books to order. But if you have a copy already, you can get it rebound. A number of people do that kind of work: AA Leathers is one. Post Tenebras Lux. Leonards. Ben's Bibles.
Thank you Mr Jones for the detailed review. However, could you please shed some light as to why 'Holy Bible' or any Christian symbol not written/embossed on the front cover of certain Bibles, like the one here? Whereas 'Holy Bible' is written/embossed on its spine. Just curious.
this would be, for me, the perfect bible... if not for the red letters! thank you for the review good sir. Do you know if there are some available without the red?
@@RGrantJones while Ive got your ear, one other question: Cambridge press has a five-volume 1611 text in paperback. This is the edition edited by William Aldis Wright in the early 1900's which was re-printed for the AV's 400th anniversary -- it looks like these volumes are still available on their site. Do you happen to own these? Have you done a review video on them? (I'm not seeing any video via search) Any thoughts on this 5 volume set? Thank you RGJ... Daniel B
Hey you there, SCHOLAR! I am loving your review of The Apocrypha, noting that Martin Luther made free use of it in BONDAGE OF THE WILL, even though he also agreed with Jerome about the use of those books. I have read them all, and I love them, though I do not use them as the basis upon which to prove a doctrine. I will however, quote them in support and illustration of doctrines established by the intact 1769, 66 book, KJV Bible (with the aid of common helps, such as Cruden's *Exhaustive* Concordance - the single greatest Bible study aid in any history that I know about!). However, I have also found Ecclesiasticus 38:1-15 to be very instructive and difficult to fault. I am a medical mess at this late stage of my earthly life, and I have found both this, and Job 33:19-30 be instructive and comforting. There is nothing quite like finding yourself described and spoken to somewhere in the Bible! And just one more recommendation from The Apocrypha (for now, anyway)........ Wisdom chapter 2 (the entire chapter) appears to be completely sound doctrine and to pre-figure Our LORD Jesus and ourselves if we are persecuted, with an eloquence unmatched anywhere else! I say that anyone who wishes to present themselves as a REAL "Bible SCHOLAR" should familiarize himself with the 1611-1769 KJV Apocrypha, by having read all of it thoughtfully, at least once. 2 Esdras 15:28-44 appears to depict atomic war in a way so perspicacious, that I find it impossible to surmise that GOD was unaware of just how 'on the mark' that language would appear to us, living at least 2300 years in the future. What other generation would know what to see in the images of terrible clouds, poisoned stars, and flying swords? So again, thank you. I wish now to find your review of the Cambridge Turquoise (my FAVORITE reader!), in both the CBP, and all the red letter Turquoise editions, of which I have a copy of the rarest of them all: model 20D XRL. Yes, it's a red letter edition, in the older *bright* Cambridge RED, and I love it as symbolic of the freshly shed blood of my Savior. I do not like the darker, "stale and dried blood" red of the Jongbloed editions; and their new *"Indo-Paque" paper is (IMO), not nearly as good as the genuine India Paper* that we used to get in the upper priced Cambridge Bibles. My Bible collection appears to pale before yours. If I may....How did you afford it? You appear to have the most fabulous collection I have ever encountered - and BRAVO, SIR! for investing so much of your money into The Word Of GOD. I believe GOD (Jesus) will reward you for doing that! I hope to meet you in The Rapture, my friend. Just Another Christian
After searching far and wide for a relatively premium Catholic bible I think I might just settle for this one. The Cornerstone ESV-CE looks nice but is a bit bigger and I'm not a fan of the typeset. The Quentel RSV with Apocrypha looks nice but at that point I prefer the KJV. I wish someone would do a premium Douay-Rheims or RSV-CE but that appears to be asking too much.
Hi Mr Jones, I have both the Cambridge KJV with the Apocrypha and the RSV New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha which I purchased after watching your excellent reviews on them. I have noticed that Chapter 7 in 2 Esdras appears to be missing 70 verses which the RSV has. Do you know why the verses are missing from the KJV? Is there other examples of this happening in the KJV?
Thanks for those kind words, Emma, and for the question. When I read your question, I immediately suspected that the difference was due to the RSV being translated from manuscripts that were discovered since the KJV was published. Something like that seems to have happened: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sangermanensis_I . Regarding similar gaps in the KJV, I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I just ordered this book. Is the apocrypha separate from the rest of the bible or mixed in? I'm a little confused on rather I should be getting this bible or not for this reason.
It was interesting to see that Jesus quotes a some versus's out of the apocrypha but many people say that he doesn't. I'm happy with the bible. It's very nice. It's my first KJV because I always had a NKJ and I hear many people say that other texts are corrupted texts. Not sure about that, but I'm glad I have it.
I prefer the Cameo because it's more portable. As my near vision continues to deteriorate, at some point I'm sure I'll prefer the Turquoise. Thanks for the question!
Thanks for the question, Webz! Why do I dislike red letters? Red letters often cause me eye strain -- actual physical pain. Publishers seem to have difficulty printing them evenly, so you’re more likely to find faded sections of red text. Black text is often printed on the opposite side of the page, causing show-through/ghosting, and I find red characters on a cluttered background harder to read than black characters on the same background. I made a video on this topic, which can be viewed here: th-cam.com/video/Bzz2Bu9IjrA/w-d-xo.html .
I know that you could not get bogged down in various editions and translations of Scripture portions (N.T., particular books therefrom, Palmody, etc.), but the study edition of the E.S.V. Apocrypha, richly annotated, from Concordia Publishers, really would be worthwhile to review. So few study or annotated editions of the Apocrypha exist, alas.
It's present in my copy. It's possible that a group of pages was left out of yours when it was assembled for binding. If I were you, I would contact the seller or the publisher.
It's usually printed too lightly and is hard to read. The red in this edition is reasonably dark and bold, so it doesn't cause that much eye strain, at least for me.
ivan - I review Bibles I purchased or that were given to me as presents by family members. So most of the time I review Bibles that I actually intend to use. Occasionally, I'll find an inexpensive Bible in a used bookstore that I have no personal use for, and I'll review it before passing it along to someone I think will read it.
In this video, you said the Apocrypha wasn’t written in Hebrew. But you’re wrong, because the Book of Tobit was found in 1952 among the Dead Sea scrolls in HEBREW and Aramaic fragments. Several other Deuterocanonical books were found among the Dead Sea scrolls in Hebrew as well. The idea of the Apocrypha only being written in Greek is a MYTH. The Book of Jubilees was also originally written in Hebrew as well. And if Jubilees was written in Hebrew, there’s a good possibility that the Book of Enoch was also written in Hebrew because Jubilees chapter 4 refers to 1 Enoch as inspired Scripture by saying that Enoch wrote things down in a book and that he testified against the Watchers.
@@RGrantJones you’re welcome. Also, have you read 1 Enoch, Jasher or Jubilees ? If not, then I can recommend a great book that has all three of these Pseudepigraphal writings in one book collection. You can purchase it on amazon and I can provide the link if you’re interested. I don’t believe these books are inspired Scripture, I used to believe that, but not any longer. But I still enjoy reading them because they are very interesting books that go into more detail about the book of Genesis.
@@AnimalLover-yi5ik -I've read 1 Enoch, most recently in the translation by Nickelsburg and VanderKam. But I don't recall having read Jasher or Jubilees.
@@RGrantJones the most accurate translation of 1 Enoch and Jubilees are the “R.H. Charles translation.” R.H. Charles is credited with being the best translator of these ancient manuscripts. And how’d you like 1 Enoch ? Did you enjoy reading it ? And I’m going to see if I can send you the link to the book below because sometimes TH-cam doesn’t allow me to put links, I don’t know why.
@@RGrantJones it’s not letting me put the amazon link for the book, but I’ll just tell you the name and author. The Book is called “Genesis and the Synchronized Biblically Endorsed Extra Biblical Texts.” It’s by Rob Skiba. It contains the complete books of Genesis in a side by side parallel edition of the KJV and the Septuagint translation of Genesis. Along with the complete books of 1 Enoch, Jasher and Jubilees. Let me know if you were able to find it on amazon.
Thanks for the question, MrVcherry72. I own two Cameo wide margins, but they aren't large print. The Cameo's layout is very similar to the Turquoise, which does have a larger font (10 or 11 points) and I believe Church Bible Publishers sometimes prints a wide margin Turquoise.
It appears to be out of print at the moment, so, based on the search results I see, you'd have to pay over $200. The Cameo without Apocrypha in goatskin is going for about $163. If you want the Cameo with Apocrypha, I recommend waiting until Cambridge makes another print run.
German Bibles in the Luther translations vary about the Maccabees in the Apocrypha, some having only First and Second Maccabees, others Third Maccabees as well, but almost never (wisely, I think) Fourth Maccabees (which is quite inferior and more error prone about facts than the other Books of Maccabees)..
KJVs with Apocrypha tend to be expensive. I just bought a separate Apocrypha to compliment my Bible. Looks like a nice Bible though. You should review the Darby Bible. Though I am not a Dispensationalist(I use to be one) I heard Darby made a pretty good Bible.
I think that Rome and the Lutheran Churches were wise to have the shorter list of the deuterocanonical writings. One misses 3 Esdras that way, which is a very worthwhile book to read, since it sets out that era of history more chronologically than Eszra and Nehemiah do so, but Lutherans and Romish Catholics wisely eschew 4 Esdras which is a wildly apocalyptic and doctrinally dubious text in many regards and also very tedious to read due to all of the rant and ravings.
That poppycock and rot about Esdras (Ezra) restoring or EVEN WRITING so much of the O.T. is dreadful. Nobody should ascribe any such thing to him. I long have had s distaste for 4th Esdras for exactly that reason, as well as finding all of those apocalyptic fanasies pretty wild and irrelevant. The Lutherans in our Apocrypha exclude 4th Esdras, as the Romish canon (except in the Vulgate's seldom-printed Appendix) also denigrates 4th Esdras.
Joseph Smith, the supposed "Prophet" of Mormonism was influenced by "Judith" to incorporate the adventure of her with Holofernes in a section of one of the Book of Mormon's contents, although he changed Judith to a man doing the feat, and setting it as recast in a North American "lost tribes" context.
Wow brother my calfsplit Apocrypha edition has more space than yours at the gutter, it comes out quite a bit more? Man they look nice with art gilding, mine is on the list for getting a home made makeover....maybe😂....Let's just say some 5$ bibles will be sacrificed before I even consider doing so LOL.
NEVER MIND LOL....once you put it on the book holder it is the same , mines just been stretched out more than yours😉 gotta finish your vids before making comments LOL. These Cambridge Bible's Smyth Stiching really do break in nicely.
Why don’t you show the history. Where it to the reader. You have to watch your Bibles because when they involve Latin translation. You know that you’re at the 1871 toward We don’t need to know that because that is Roman Catholic. Bob was gonna be very deceitful if you don’t know what you’re doing apparently I didn’t know but I do now
Said in love, The apocrypha contains many errors and contradictions as well as blasphemous heresy. It even contradicts itself. It isn’t of God nor from God and it isn’t Scripture. The apocryphal books were never considered as Scripture by the ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor ANY of His Apostles.
While in the U. S. Navy, I had a handy-sized 1960s A.V./K.J.V. Bible with Apocrypha, leather-bound and attractive, from Oxford. (I was not aware back then of the superiority of the Cambridge text.) I kept that nice full Bible under the mattress of my bunk. WHen about my daily chores and other on-board life on that W.W.-2 vintage destroyer, I had either my A.V. or R.S.V. New Testament/Psalms compact edition in the back pocket of my dungarees. My pastor had given me the A.V. Psalms in a tiny red-leather edition, which I carried at all times in my denim shirt pocket (referring to Navy work clothes rather than to the "crackerjacks" dress blues or whites). The wear and tear of onboard life at sea and at shore sure took a toll. The small Psalms suffered a lot from the sweat and the salt of the sea water and the N.T. pocket editions were thoroughly rife with wrinkles from carrying them about. I still treasure all four of those publications which got me through such hard times in the military. I have them all to this day, as well as the sailor's brief B.C.P. that the Protestant Episcopal Church provided me.
Please explain the superiority if the Cambridge text? I've never heard this.
I’d love to see a video of these fine companions of your. Glad you got home safely.
This review was a real joy to watch. Very nicely done. While I have plenty of Bibles I may get this one as I like the Apocrypha inclusion. Really a complete Cameo since the references are both ways to the Apocrypha. I do have the red hard back version of the Cambridge Apocrypha. From my perspective it is important to ground oneself in the old and new testament first and then read complementary books like the Apocrypha and Josephus. I found the books of Maccabees particularly useful when studying Daniel. I believe Maccabees contains some prophecy fulfillment. Much of the same information is included in Josephus as well. Again thank you.
At about the 20 minute point, I show a chart that lists the Apocryphal books contained in Codex Alexandrinus. The chart indicates the books included in the KJV Apocrypha, and it depicts differences between the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox canons of scripture.
can you buy me this please?
R. Grant Jones what do you mean by this brother? If you can elaborate please
The chart shows three columns, each listing books that are not in the normal Protestant 39 books of the Old Testament. The first column shows the additional books in Codex Alexandrinus. (Alexandrinus is usually referred to as "A"; Codex Vaticanus is "B", and so on.) Alexandrinus is a manuscript written on animal skins preserved from the 400s A.D. All the books in the column headed by "In Codex Alexandrinus" are written in that codex, regardless of the font color shown on the chart. The blue font indicates the books that are in the KJV apocrypha. So you'll find 2 Maccabees in the Cameo I review in the video, but 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Psalm 151, Odes, and the Psalms of Solomon are not in my Cameo KJV. The next column shows the books Roman Catholics add to their Bibles. All of those books are in the KJV apocrypha. The final column shows books in the Eastern Orthodox canon. So if you were Eastern Orthodox, the Cameo wouldn't quite cover all of your Old Testament. It leaves out 3 Maccabees and Psalm 151. Let me know if you have a specific question, and I'll try to answer it.
R. Grant Jones yes brother, I have one more question if you can please reply. I love the size of this book. Do you know if I can get my Septuagint or Peshitta customy made in this same size, length, width? If I could get my Septuagint in this same format, it'll be a dream come true. Please let me know brother. God bless you
I have that exact Bible from the 80's in calf skin leather in brand new condition. Just beautiful
So.....you have model CD257A in black letter?
I just keep coming back to this video and the review of the new Oxford annotated bible, these are bibles I just have to buy
Very very good detail.... The word merges are inexcusable in the turquoise . Excellent vid mate!
Very informative review. Thank you. My disappointment is that there is no goatskin option for this edition (w/ Apocrypha), but this is a universal complaint, as I know of no goatskin KJV featuring deuterocanonical texts. Cambridge's decisions regarding the inclusion of the Apocrypha is inscrutable to me. For instance, my cherished copy of the Cambridge Heritage Edition KJV + Book of Common Prayer 1662 is one notch below perfect, because strangely it does not include the very Apocryphal texts that are called upon in the BCP lectionary for daily office reading. But I am off topic. Thank you, again, and kudos for somehow making a relevant connection to Robert E. Howard in a bible review.
Thanks for the comment. I don't remember why I mentioned Howard, but I'm glad the reference was relevant. My guess is that market forces are behind the general absence of the Deuterocanonical books from KJVs. It goes back to Reformed objection to them from as far back as the 16th century, and their consequent omission by Bible societies, beginning in the 1820s.
Once again, excellent presentation and comparisons in this video. I did a price comparison of KJVs with Apocrypha and settled on the one published by the Anglican Catholic Church traditional Anglican jurisdiction with the 1928 BCP (wish it was the 1662 BCP), though it has no concordance. I also have that New Oxford RSV with Apocrypha, the CBP Hand-size Turquoise, and the ESV Apocrypha published by Concordia (to go along with my Lutheran Study Bible) that I use for devotional reading. I won't list my other Bibles except for the Genuine Leather Douay-Rheims with Apocrypha, which I purchased specifically for the Apocrypha. Unfortunately, I gave my Orthodox Study Bible away, with its Apocrypha translation.
Your videos continue to make my "bibles to puchase" list grow. But, that's a good thing.
The Anglican Catholic Church KJV with the 1928 BCP sounds tempting. The 1928 BCP communion service leaves all others in the dust, in my opinion. Another viewer mentioned the Concordia edition of the Apocrypha to me. I may order that some time next year. Thanks for the kind words about the videos.
@@RGrantJones www.anglicanbooks.com/collections/prayer-books
The 1928 does not have the Athanasian Creed, otherwise I quite like it. The consecration in the 1928 BCP Communion service has that epiclesis. I like that. I think it came by way of the Scottish church, if memory serves.
@@AmericanShia786 - Thanks for the link! It's a bit on the expensive side, isn't it? But I'll add it to my wish list anyway. Regarding the epiclesis, I think you're right. In fact, I have Shepherd's _Oxford Prayer Book Commentary_ here, and he writes, "The American Book's form, as adopted in 1789, is a skilful [sic] compromise between the English and the Scottish wording..."
@@RGrantJones Now, there's a book I'd love to own, but Shepherd's Oxford Prayer Book Commentary appears to be out of print and available copies are more than my wise wife will let me spend. (smile)
But, I'm adding it to my wish list. Thanks for quoting from it.
Another great review, thank you! I've not really looked at the apocrypha at all so it was very interesting to take a closer look at it here with you & see the comparisons with certain verses highlighted. The John Bunyan bit also - I've been listening to a "Grace Abounding" audio on here & really like it, so I like how you mentioned that, I think it's from that book. This is a beautiful Bible. I really like my Cameo too! 😊
Thanks, Tom. Yes, the story of the verse from Ecclesiasticus is from Bunyan's Grace Abounding: "Thus I continued above a year, and could not find the place; but at last, casting my eye into the Apocrypha books, I found it in Ecclesiasticus 2.10."
@@RGrantJones just asking: do you believe the Apocrypha in-between the Old & New Testaments in the Cambridge Cameo version is inspired & part of the Bible? I know it was in the 1611 version, but later removed in the 1769 version. Would greatly appreciate your thoughts. God bless you!
@@BornAgainRN - thanks for the question. I would say those books are part of the Bible but are not Holy Scripture, and so are not inspired, as the canonical books, which constitute Holy Scripture, are. (I accept the 39 articles, and what I've written above is the way I understand Article 6.)
Very excellent review, thank you so much. I am a fan of yours! I am in the market for another Bible, as I collect them and love to read from my collection. I haven’t decided whether I should get a Cambridge Cameo KJV with Apocrypha, or an Oxford Annotated Bible RSV with Apocrypha. There is a difference in price, but that isn’t too big of a concern at the moment. I am interested in the Cambridge because of the leather quality and the size. The Oxford has the extra Apocryphal books such as Psalm 151 and others, but I think the leather isn’t as nice, and the size is much bigger. So I appreciate your reviews on both my options. I just love your videos. Thank you so much for your reviews. This Idaho Potato enjoys them very much!
Thanks so much for those encouraging comments, Winnie! I think you're right about the leather. The paper is better in the Cambridge Cameo also, in my opinion. But, as you point out, the New Oxford Annotated Bible (RSV) has books and fragments of books that aren't in the Cameo, and the RSV is an excellent companion translation -- useful in illuminating passages that are dark at first reading in the KJV. So I think you'll eventually have to acquire them both!
Can only get it in calfskin if you want the apocrypha. But absolutely my fav bible.
Another interesting parallel: Sirach 51.26-27 // Matthew 11.28-30. "Put your neck under the yoke, and let your soul receive instruction: she is hard at hand to find. Behold with your eyes, how that I have had but little labout, and have gotten unto me much rest." (KJV)
This looks to be a handsized Turquoise - which is great!
I recently purchased a Cameo, and the copyright page has additional information than yours. It includes info bout where the paper is sourced and that the KJV rights permissions in the UK. The maps are completely different. The map index is in a more modern format than is shown in the video. The maps themselves are from Oxford Cartographers with a copyright from Cambridge in 2011.
Michael - thanks very much for letting us know about the changes.
is there a text version of the Cameo w/ Apocrypha (or any other cambridge bible) that doesnt have the center reference column?? Can't find anything anywhere. I want a leather KJV w/ Apocrypha and two simple text columns, regular margins.. seems like a unicorn
I don't think they contain the apocrypha, and I hear you it is hard to find one; but go search "local church bible publishers" and take a look at their selection.
Excellent review! Thanks so much.
Thank you for the encouraging words, Vesbolk!
Thx for insight Measurements
Very good review, I have had an eye on this bible for quite a while. Could you do a review of the New Oxford annotated Bible you mentioned?
Thanks, Sylvain. I've always liked the Cameo. This one is printed very well and the cover, though not exceptional, is nice. The Cameo's line spacing could be better, but it doesn't bother me much because the columns are narrow. Yes, I intend to review that Oxford RSV -- and a somewhat similar work, the Roman Catholic Didache Bible, on successive weeks.
The Cameo text block was altered in 1985 to change the case of the S in "spirit".
Interesting. So they deliberately departed from PCE purity?
They seem to have considered the lowercase S an error. All their more recent text blocks (Concord, Royal Ruby, etc.) that I've seen use the capital S.
In my 1611 Nelson KJV (which is supposed to be the first 1611 edition, but in Roman type), Spirit is capitalized, but so are Water and Blood.
@RGrantJones could you please provide resources to your statement on the Latin texts being corrupted? Curious to see the commentary on the subject. Thank you for the reviews always insightful.
austin - thanks for the comment. Can you point me to the spot in the video where I said that?
Around the 22:20 time stamp.
@@austinrucker3853 - I believe my remark was based on a footnote at 2 Esdras 14.44 in the RSV New Oxford Annotated Bible. That footnote reads, 'Syr Ethiop Arab 1 Arm: Latin is corrupt.' The footnote maps into the word 'ninety-four' in 'So during the forty days ninety-four books were written.' The KJV has 204, with a footnote that gives 904 as an alternative.
Ah OK. Thank you!
Does anyone know if the cross references go to and from the apocrypha (for this KJV Cameo)?
Some Bibles with Apocrypha do not have references for the apocrypha.
Thanks for the question, James. There are references in the Apocrypha to both Apocryphal and non-Apocryphal books. There are a few references in the non-Apocryphal books to the Apocrypha. For instance, there is a reference to Wisdom 2.23 at Genesis 1.26, and one to Sirach 39.16 at Genesis 1.31. But there aren't many, and some prominent ones are absent. For instance, while Sirach 15.11 contains a reference to James 1.13, there is no reference at James 1.13 to Sirach 15.11. Similarly, Wisdom 7.26 carries a reference to Hebrews 1.3, but there is no reference at Hebrews 1.3 to Wisdom 7.26.
@@RGrantJones Thank you Grant for the reply. That is a little disappointing, but it is still better than most of the Bibles with Apocrypha that I've come across so far. Also it is the KJV, which is so beautiful. This one is going on my list. You are doing us a great service with this channel. Thank you.
1 Esdras and 2 Esdras (Nehemias) are in the Catholic Canon. 20:49 ??
No. 2 Esdras on that chart isn't Nehemiah, and 1 Esdras isn't Ezra. The Douay-Rheims calls Ezra, 1 Esdras, and Nehemiah, 2 Esdras, but the books termed 1 and 2 Esdras on that chart are not Ezra and Nehemiah.
@@RGrantJones Biblical scholars need to get their stuff together! Thanks muchly
Thank you Mr Jones; I’ve learned a lot watching your videos. My question is whether this Cameo’s cross references are fully integrated with the Apocrypha, referring both from and to the Apocrypha. I have been looking for such an edition and wondering if such even exists or is currently in print, be it KJV Cameo or Schuyler RSV or ESV Diadem or any other edition in the KJV/Tyndale tradition. Thank you.
David - thanks for the kind comment and the question. No, the references aren't fully integrated with the Apocrypha. For instance, at Wisdom 7.26 there is a reference to Hebrews 1.3, but there is no reference to Wisdom 7.26 at Hebrews 1.3. The original KJV did integrate the references, though it had few of them. I don't have a copy of the ESV Diadem (the font is too small for me). I believe the references in the Schuler RSV are the same as those in the 1989 NRSV with Apocrypha, and those appear not to be fully integrated either.
Hello, R. Grant Jones. I'm just wondering if you will be getting the brand new KJV with Apocrypha that Thomas Nelson is releasing next month? It has a 9.5 comfort print (bigger than the Cameo's 8-point font) and it has 73,000 cross-references.
Yes, I hope to review it. (Too bad it's a red letter edition.)
I assume that the concordance, so far as the Old Testament is concerned, does not index the occurrence of words in the O.T. Apocrypha.
I believe that's correct. The table of contents excludes the Apocrypha from the Old Testament, and the concordance is entitled 'Concordance to the Old and New Testaments'. Skimming through the concordance, I find no entries referencing Apocryphal books.
did you notice that the red letter is sometimes very badly matched with the black letter...? (places where the red text is noticeable higher up than the black....) ... at least in my copy which i ordered a few years ago....
In my copy, the red is about a hair's breadth higher than it should be in a few places. I don't see any serious misalignment issues.
@@RGrantJones a very late response: my copy must be another printing and edition, for the red letter is very much in misalignment in many places, one bad example is in Mark 8 where the red letter is not only in misalignment but is "lopsided"... i ordered this in 2013 and i should have returned it back then, for it is really bad... and the red letter is not really red, but almost brown, maybe dark red, but difficult to define... (though i know the modern trend in "red letter" is different, a more "wine" red/light brown maybe...) also, the print of the red letter is often very thick and sometimes almost unreadable, and the unevenness of the red letter is extreme, never seen it this bad, sometimes very light and other times very dark... it does not look good, i suspect my copy was a "misprinting" or something... i regret that i didn't order the black letter one... i payed full price for it, it is too expensive an edition to be sold at full price with these weaknesses, but if it had been priced down to half price, as a copy with misprints, then it could have been a fair purchase... it must have been a complete print run with these errors, so i am certainly not alone in owning an edition with these errors... -- i am not sure they had the Cameo black letter with the Apocrypha... i don't know what is available today of this, but i have seen reviews of the Cameo with Apocrypha that are very good both in alignment of the red letter and the red letter itself...
I noticed in the KJV Cameo Reference Edition With Apocrypha. The Wisdom of Solomon chapter 1 verse 5 reads,
For the holy spirit of discipline will flee deceit...
But in the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible, KJV with Apocrypha by David Norton it reads,
For the holy spirit of discipline will fly deceit...
So no idea if this was intentional or if it was by mistake by Norton.
I don't know either, but my guess is it was deliberate. Thanks for commenting!
@@RGrantJones
You're welcome.
Thank You for this wonderful review, brother. Love your work. This Bible would have been almost perfect had Cambridge included "The Translators to the Reader." Seriously why not include that? It's not super long as to where it would add too much weight or thickness to the Bible. It's just perplexing that they keep the essay out of so many KJV Bibles, especially a more deluxe Bible such as the one in this review. It's so hard to find a good portable KJV Bible with premium materials that includes the Apocrypha and when I do find one, they leave out Smith's wonderful work.
Thanks very much for the kind comment, Evangelical Stuff. I don't understand many of the decisions publishers make. Why they would chose to omit 'The Translators to the Reader' is a mystery to me.
An interesting point of at least some Cambridge A.V. (K.J.V.) Bibles with Apocrypha is that the cross-references in the centre include references to and from the Apocrypha to the other books of the Bible. Sometimes this results in greater pertinence of such referencing.
I reverted to Lutheranism later in life, but I was a Protestant Episcopalian at that time.
Does this KJV Cameo edition have cross references both from and to the Apocrypha?
As a Protestant who only reads the 66 books of the Bible, will I be missing some crucial point in my sanctification if I don’t read the other books? If I end up being wrong, and the catholic bible/apocrypha are cannon, will I have a sufficient relationship with Christ having learned it through only the 66 books?
May I ask which book is it at 19:23? Also, thank you so much for the detailed review of the high quality camera, explanation and Bible.
It’s the 1928 Book of Common Prayer for the Protestant Episcopal Church
@R. Grant Jones my versions of this Bible forgot to make the words of the Lord Jesus red in the book of Revelation. Was it the same for you in this Bible?
Yes, but I think it was a deliberate editorial decision. Some red letter Bibles (like this one) leave the words of Christ after his ascension in black ink. For instance, Acts 9.5 is in black ink in my copy, just like Revelation.
@@RGrantJones Ahh I see. I didn't know or even think about that. Thank you for clearing that up and God Bless.
It almost looks like the Cameo Apocrypha was typeset quite some time later from the rest of the block. The font looks different.
It does. My guess is that the type in the OT and NT have suffered from wear, while the Apocrypha, being printed less often, was printed using type that looks more like the original. (Of course, my copy was probably printed with more modern techniques, but it's based on a printed exemplar.) It reminds me of the difference between my 1904 Brevier Clarendon and more recent printings.
The rep on Allan's Facebook page suggested if someone were to provide an older Clarendon to look at they might be able to rectify that issue. (I have a 7C and have noticed the issues to which you refer.)
I'm happy to loan them my 1904 Brevier Clarendon.
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I wonder when the Clarendon was first printed, I know the Cameo and Turquoise come from teh 1920s.
I searched Google books, and here's what I came up with: books.google.com/books?id=7GohAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA137&dq=oxford+brevier+clarendon&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiAzIfdi8vbAhWNvVMKHfdwA2AQ6AEIMzAC#v=onepage&q=oxford%20brevier%20clarendon&f=false . It's the Publisher's Circular and Booksellers' Record from the first half of 1904, and it includes an advertisement for the Brevier Clarendon 16mo as a *new* Oxford edition of the Authorized Version. See page 137.
I have this Bible and it's great but where can I find one twice the size?
The Cambridge Turquoise is much larger and similar in layout. Unhappily, it lacks the Apocrypha.
Can You compare 2 Esdras chapter 7 to RSV? KJV and GENEVA Bibles with apocrypha had only 70 verses and 70 is missing. RSV have 140.
What about the Cambridge KJV Cameo Reference Edition with Apocrypha? Does it have 70 or 140 verses???
Thanks for the question, Krzysztof! The Cambridge KJV Cameo Reference Edition with Apocrypha contains only 70 verses. A footnote in the New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha (RSV) states that the additional verses "are lacking from the standard editions of the Latin Vulgate and from the King James version. They are present in the Syriac, Ethiopic, Arabic, and Armenian versions, and in two Latin manuscripts. The section was probably deliberately cut out of an ancestor of most extant Latin manuscripts because of dogmatic reasons, for the passage contains an emphatic denial of the value of prayers for the dead." The footnote references the verse this edition numbers as [105].
Is there a Bible that have full chapter of this book and is not liberal like RSV and even more liberal like CEB???
@@krzysztofpocian6560 - not as far as I know.
Thank You very much!!!
Does anyone know if I can get my Septuagint or Peshitta customy made in this same size, length, width? If I could get my Septuagint in this same format, it'll be a dream come true. Someone please let me know.
I don't know of anyone who prints books to order. But if you have a copy already, you can get it rebound. A number of people do that kind of work: AA Leathers is one. Post Tenebras Lux. Leonards. Ben's Bibles.
R. Grant Jones thanks brother your reviews are good work by the way
Thank you Mr Jones for the detailed review. However, could you please shed some light as to why 'Holy Bible' or any Christian symbol not written/embossed on the front cover of certain Bibles, like the one here? Whereas 'Holy Bible' is written/embossed on its spine. Just curious.
this would be, for me, the perfect bible... if not for the red letters! thank you for the review good sir. Do you know if there are some available without the red?
At times in the past it was printed with black ink throughout. You may be able to find a black ink copy at websites like eBay and Etsy.
@@RGrantJones thank you. Good to know.
@@RGrantJones while Ive got your ear, one other question: Cambridge press has a five-volume 1611 text in paperback. This is the edition edited by William Aldis Wright in the early 1900's which was re-printed for the AV's 400th anniversary -- it looks like these volumes are still available on their site.
Do you happen to own these? Have you done a review video on them? (I'm not seeing any video via search)
Any thoughts on this 5 volume set?
Thank you RGJ... Daniel B
@@AnHebrewChild - No, I haven't seen or reviewed that five-volume set.
@@RGrantJones gotcha. thanks
Hey you there, SCHOLAR! I am loving your review of The Apocrypha, noting that Martin Luther made free use of it in BONDAGE OF THE WILL, even though he also agreed with Jerome about the use of those books. I have read them all, and I love them, though I do not use them as the basis upon which to prove a doctrine. I will however, quote them in support and illustration of doctrines established by the intact 1769, 66 book, KJV Bible (with the aid of common helps, such as Cruden's *Exhaustive* Concordance - the single greatest Bible study aid in any history that I know about!). However, I have also found Ecclesiasticus 38:1-15 to be very instructive and difficult to fault. I am a medical mess at this late stage of my earthly life, and I have found both this, and Job 33:19-30 be instructive and comforting. There is nothing quite like finding yourself described and spoken to somewhere in the Bible! And just one more recommendation from The Apocrypha (for now, anyway)........ Wisdom chapter 2 (the entire chapter) appears to be completely sound doctrine and to pre-figure Our LORD Jesus and ourselves if we are persecuted, with an eloquence unmatched anywhere else! I say that anyone who wishes to present themselves as a REAL "Bible SCHOLAR" should familiarize himself with the 1611-1769 KJV Apocrypha, by having read all of it thoughtfully, at least once. 2 Esdras 15:28-44 appears to depict atomic war in a way so perspicacious, that I find it impossible to surmise that GOD was unaware of just how 'on the mark' that language would appear to us, living at least 2300 years in the future. What other generation would know what to see in the images of terrible clouds, poisoned stars, and flying swords? So again, thank you. I wish now to find your review of the Cambridge Turquoise (my FAVORITE reader!), in both the CBP, and all the red letter Turquoise editions, of which I have a copy of the rarest of them all: model 20D XRL. Yes, it's a red letter edition, in the older *bright* Cambridge RED, and I love it as symbolic of the freshly shed blood of my Savior. I do not like the darker, "stale and dried blood" red of the Jongbloed editions; and their new *"Indo-Paque" paper is (IMO), not nearly as good as the genuine India Paper* that we used to get in the upper priced Cambridge Bibles. My Bible collection appears to pale before yours. If I may....How did you afford it? You appear to have the most fabulous collection I have ever encountered - and BRAVO, SIR! for investing so much of your money into The Word Of GOD. I believe GOD (Jesus) will reward you for doing that!
I hope to meet you in The Rapture, my friend. Just Another Christian
Richt Is not a protestant(like me). We are both just christains.
After searching far and wide for a relatively premium Catholic bible I think I might just settle for this one. The Cornerstone ESV-CE looks nice but is a bit bigger and I'm not a fan of the typeset. The Quentel RSV with Apocrypha looks nice but at that point I prefer the KJV. I wish someone would do a premium Douay-Rheims or RSV-CE but that appears to be asking too much.
Hi Mr Jones, I have both the Cambridge KJV with the Apocrypha and the RSV New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha which I purchased after watching your excellent reviews on them.
I have noticed that Chapter 7 in 2 Esdras appears to be missing 70 verses which the RSV has.
Do you know why the verses are missing from the KJV?
Is there other examples of this happening in the KJV?
Thanks for those kind words, Emma, and for the question. When I read your question, I immediately suspected that the difference was due to the RSV being translated from manuscripts that were discovered since the KJV was published. Something like that seems to have happened: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sangermanensis_I . Regarding similar gaps in the KJV, I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I just ordered this book. Is the apocrypha separate from the rest of the bible or mixed in? I'm a little confused on rather I should be getting this bible or not for this reason.
It's in a separate section between the Old and New Testaments.
It was interesting to see that Jesus quotes a some versus's out of the apocrypha but many people say that he doesn't. I'm happy with the bible. It's very nice. It's my first KJV because I always had a NKJ and I hear many people say that other texts are corrupted texts. Not sure about that, but I'm glad I have it.
Where did you find yours at?
R Grant Jones, of Cameo and Turquoise, which one do you like more?
I prefer the Cameo because it's more portable. As my near vision continues to deteriorate, at some point I'm sure I'll prefer the Turquoise. Thanks for the question!
I'm kinda confused as to how this bible being a red letter text is an unfortunate thing?
Thanks for the question, Webz! Why do I dislike red letters? Red letters often cause me eye strain -- actual physical pain. Publishers seem to have difficulty printing them evenly, so you’re more likely to find faded sections of red text. Black text is often printed on the opposite side of the page, causing show-through/ghosting, and I find red characters on a cluttered background harder to read than black characters on the same background.
I made a video on this topic, which can be viewed here: th-cam.com/video/Bzz2Bu9IjrA/w-d-xo.html .
@@RGrantJones ah that's understandable. Thanks.
I know that you could not get bogged down in various editions and translations of Scripture portions (N.T., particular books therefrom, Palmody, etc.), but the study edition of the E.S.V. Apocrypha, richly annotated, from Concordia Publishers, really would be worthwhile to review. So few study or annotated editions of the Apocrypha exist, alas.
Is there any reaon some of genesis and 1/2 of exodus is missing
It's present in my copy. It's possible that a group of pages was left out of yours when it was assembled for binding. If I were you, I would contact the seller or the publisher.
Where can I get this?
You might email Cambridge and ask them when it will be back in print.
@@RGrantJones ok thank you
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For Cameo (goatskin) and Cameo (Imitation Leather), are their paper-quality the same, or one is better than the other?
I doubt the paper differs, but I don't know that for a fact.
Why is the red lettering not good?
It's usually printed too lightly and is hard to read. The red in this edition is reasonably dark and bold, so it doesn't cause that much eye strain, at least for me.
This is quite a different Cam Cameo Bible, where did you purchase it ?
I'm not sure, but I believe I ordered it from evangelicalbible.com. Thanks for the question!
How many verses does 2 Esdras 7 have?
It has 70 verses in this edition, rather than 140, as in, say, the New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV. Thanks for the question, Melissa!
@@RGrantJones thank you for responding.
Are there any bibles you will not review or give platform to?
ivan - I review Bibles I purchased or that were given to me as presents by family members. So most of the time I review Bibles that I actually intend to use. Occasionally, I'll find an inexpensive Bible in a used bookstore that I have no personal use for, and I'll review it before passing it along to someone I think will read it.
In this video, you said the Apocrypha wasn’t written in Hebrew. But you’re wrong, because the Book of Tobit was found in 1952 among the Dead Sea scrolls in HEBREW and Aramaic fragments. Several other Deuterocanonical books were found among the Dead Sea scrolls in Hebrew as well. The idea of the Apocrypha only being written in Greek is a MYTH. The Book of Jubilees was also originally written in Hebrew as well. And if Jubilees was written in Hebrew, there’s a good possibility that the Book of Enoch was also written in Hebrew because Jubilees chapter 4 refers to 1 Enoch as inspired Scripture by saying that Enoch wrote things down in a book and that he testified against the Watchers.
Thanks for the correction!
@@RGrantJones you’re welcome. Also, have you read 1 Enoch, Jasher or Jubilees ? If not, then I can recommend a great book that has all three of these Pseudepigraphal writings in one book collection. You can purchase it on amazon and I can provide the link if you’re interested. I don’t believe these books are inspired Scripture, I used to believe that, but not any longer. But I still enjoy reading them because they are very interesting books that go into more detail about the book of Genesis.
@@AnimalLover-yi5ik -I've read 1 Enoch, most recently in the translation by Nickelsburg and VanderKam. But I don't recall having read Jasher or Jubilees.
@@RGrantJones the most accurate translation of 1 Enoch and Jubilees are the “R.H. Charles translation.” R.H. Charles is credited with being the best translator of these ancient manuscripts. And how’d you like 1 Enoch ? Did you enjoy reading it ? And I’m going to see if I can send you the link to the book below because sometimes TH-cam doesn’t allow me to put links, I don’t know why.
@@RGrantJones it’s not letting me put the amazon link for the book, but I’ll just tell you the name and author. The Book is called “Genesis and the Synchronized Biblically Endorsed Extra Biblical Texts.” It’s by Rob Skiba. It contains the complete books of Genesis in a side by side parallel edition of the KJV and the Septuagint translation of Genesis. Along with the complete books of 1 Enoch, Jasher and Jubilees. Let me know if you were able to find it on amazon.
Is this bible made in a large print wide margin?
Thanks for the question, MrVcherry72. I own two Cameo wide margins, but they aren't large print. The Cameo's layout is very similar to the Turquoise, which does have a larger font (10 or 11 points) and I believe Church Bible Publishers sometimes prints a wide margin Turquoise.
@@RGrantJones Hey thanks for the rapid response, and the Turquoise contains the apocrypha?
@@SpiritandTruth72 - no, sadly. It's a 66-book Bible.
What does the "1159" in the "Clarendon 1159" mean?
Does your copy have runonsentences?
Do you know how many cross-references the cameo has?
No, sorry, I don't know.
How much does one cost?
It appears to be out of print at the moment, so, based on the search results I see, you'd have to pay over $200. The Cameo without Apocrypha in goatskin is going for about $163. If you want the Cameo with Apocrypha, I recommend waiting until Cambridge makes another print run.
German Bibles in the Luther translations vary about the Maccabees in the Apocrypha, some having only First and Second Maccabees, others Third Maccabees as well, but almost never (wisely, I think) Fourth Maccabees (which is quite inferior and more error prone about facts than the other Books of Maccabees)..
The way Cambridge does PRINT this is easier to read to me.
Does this bible have the 151 Psalm?
No, it doesn't. Thanks for the question.
You still have this one ?
Yes, I do.
@@RGrantJones Willing to sell it?
@@PastorErickDMarquez - No, not at this time. Sorry.
@@RGrantJones oh ok $250.89 if you ever consider selling it.
Does it contain the book of Enoch?
No, 1 Enoch isn't in this edition. Thanks for the question!
@@RGrantJones could you suggest to me a version like this one that contains Enoch?
@@A.E.Lanman777 - I'm sorry, but I don't know of one.
@@RGrantJones which one would you suggest?
@@A.E.Lanman777 - I'm not sure what you're asking. If you're interested in a translation of 1 Enoch, I use the Nickelsburg/VanderKam translation.
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Does Genesis 11:3 say "thoroughly" or "throughly"?
'Throughly.' Thanks for the question!
@@RGrantJones excellent!
Does this include Enoch?
KJVs with Apocrypha tend to be expensive. I just bought a separate Apocrypha to compliment my Bible. Looks like a nice Bible though. You should review the Darby Bible. Though I am not a Dispensationalist(I use to be one) I heard Darby made a pretty good Bible.
I think that Rome and the Lutheran Churches were wise to have the shorter list of the deuterocanonical writings. One misses 3 Esdras that way, which is a very worthwhile book to read, since it sets out that era of history more chronologically than Eszra and Nehemiah do so, but Lutherans and Romish Catholics wisely eschew 4 Esdras which is a wildly apocalyptic and doctrinally dubious text in many regards and also very tedious to read due to all of the rant and ravings.
That poppycock and rot about Esdras (Ezra) restoring or EVEN WRITING so much of the O.T. is dreadful. Nobody should ascribe any such thing to him. I long have had s distaste for 4th Esdras for exactly that reason, as well as finding all of those apocalyptic fanasies pretty wild and irrelevant. The Lutherans in our Apocrypha exclude 4th Esdras, as the Romish canon (except in the Vulgate's seldom-printed Appendix) also denigrates 4th Esdras.
Joseph Smith, the supposed "Prophet" of Mormonism was influenced by "Judith" to incorporate the adventure of her with Holofernes in a section of one of the Book of Mormon's contents, although he changed Judith to a man doing the feat, and setting it as recast in a North American "lost tribes" context.
@@geraldparker8125 Excellent point! When reading 3 and 4 Esdras the first time, by the end of the reading, I was also thinking "Book of Mormon."
Nice but not a kjvo nut cause I used to be .
Not nearly as big of a difference as the Concord.
The print is fairly uniform here. Not sure what happened with the Concord.
I gift this exact bible to people, and i reskinned my personal one, its basically the Ethiopian Bible in english, great bible, a true 1611
Wow brother my calfsplit Apocrypha edition has more space than yours at the gutter, it comes out quite a bit more?
Man they look nice with art gilding, mine is on the list for getting a home made makeover....maybe😂....Let's just say some 5$ bibles will be sacrificed before I even consider doing so LOL.
NEVER MIND LOL....once you put it on the book holder it is the same , mines just been stretched out more than yours😉 gotta finish your vids before making comments LOL. These Cambridge Bible's Smyth Stiching really do break in nicely.
Another example of your bravery! I know I'd destroy any book I tried to rebind.
It's beautiful lol...
Brown calf skin Cameo, here.
Why don’t you show the history. Where it to the reader. You have to watch your Bibles because when they involve Latin translation. You know that you’re at the 1871 toward We don’t need to know that because that is Roman Catholic. Bob was gonna be very deceitful if you don’t know what you’re doing apparently I didn’t know but I do now
Apochrypha is not holy writ; it does not belong in the Bible
Thank you for your opinion!
Said in love, The apocrypha contains many errors and contradictions as well as blasphemous heresy. It even contradicts itself. It isn’t of God nor from God and it isn’t Scripture. The apocryphal books were never considered as Scripture by the ancient Jews, nor Jesus, nor ANY of His Apostles.