This theory actually makes even more sense when you consider the fact that Charles Muntz was largely inspired by a real person named Howard Hughes. He was an aviator and adventurer throughout the early part of the 20th century, and when he got older and more reclusive, he hired a double when he had to meet with certain people in public. Hughes died in 1976, but many conspiracy theorists believe that it was his double that died in 1976, and that the real Howard Hughes died many years before that. I'm guessing that if this theory is true, then the producers probably took inspiration from that.
What powers the Spirit of Adventure in Up? Gasoline does go bad after periods of time. If he really never left his blimp, where did he get anything to power the blimp, the dogs maybe? Where does he get all the food for the many dogs he has, and what about clean water?
I thought that too cos look at how old Carl is, then look at the fact that charles is about thirty years older than Carl so charles must be over a hundred even though he doesn't look or act it
I just thought of something. What if the imposter is actually Charles's son? Maybe he didn't get plastic surgery? It would explain why there are SOME similarities in terms of appearance between them but some differences, like his green eyes that he could've got from his mother. What if, like Anton Ego, he killed his father out of jealousy from the anger inside of him from Charles possibly leaving his family, but instead he killed Charles on purpose. What if the imposter's lies are actually lies that his father told him before he left? Just thinking here
Wait but in the black and white video of him he was about 30 or so that mean his son would be born later then that and if Charles is confirmed to be around 90 the son would be sixty and look a lot younger
Yeah when I first watched it I noticed “if Charles was an adult when Carl was a kid, how are they about the same age when they meet.” Also probably when the people said “all male voices even for females” it was probably easier because Charles was a male living alone so he had nobody to voice for females, and he probably altered his voice a bit for each dog
Something also occurs to me about the dogs. Dogs don't live as long as humans do, and in the time that it would take for a "brave man" to continue exploring and searching for a snipe around Paradise Falls, they would have died. The dogs following "Charles" around the time Carl arrives cannot be the ones that followed the original Muntz. Doug never would have known any other master, and neither would any of the other dogs, even the Alpha. If someone knows how to train dogs, then raising a new pack wouldn't be a problem. I also suspect that the original Muntz only had a small collection of dogs that were very obedient and contained. Only a few walk out of the blimp in the news clip, whereas when Carl and Russel meet the man, the dogs are numerous and rampant, and depend on another to lead them who is not their master, but the Alpha. They follow the Alpha, not their owner.
But the owner should be the alpha because raising dogs if you do not train them and show them you are the alpha... you provide the food, the shelter,and training them...you have to be the alpha or else all chaos and destruction of your property ensues 🤷🏽
I find something interesting. When he talks to Carl while they are having dinner, then noticed Carl indeed has the bird, Charles gets more hostile and creepy. He then goes on about stories of travelers who came, and he takes these mannequin heads with goggles and rolls them to the floor, indicating without blatantly saying he killed them. Now this could actually tie into your theory. Perhaps Charles (or this crazy fan) is found by other people just like Carl found him, but as soon as these people start to suspect that he is not actually the real Charles, he kills them immediately. He may have this obsession to be Charles and doesn't want anyone to think otherwise.
My theory is that he's actually his son, Charles Jr. His father died never finding the bird and Jr inherited the blimp and his obsession. But since he never had the spirit of adventure like his father, he only cared about the fame and fulfillment from completing his father's legacy, he was hostile and then murderous after going crazy in isolation.
@@Enkye_CA I'd like to remind you that this is strictly a THEORY, nobody's confirming or denying anything that's being said, we're just brainstorming possible ideas that can explain why Charles is still alive despite being a full grown adult when Carl was still a little kid.
I think the voice-collars (whatever they are called) only speak male voices, because Charles Muntz made them by himself, which means that his own voice would somehow need to be recorded to then be used as the base.
Yes, but I still find it a bit odd that there are so many voices, and if they can be altered to sound so drastically different depending on the dog, then I'd assume the same for the females
Adamasutojr AJR he might just recycle collars. Perhaps he keeps a set amount of mature dogs with voice collars and when one elder dog dies or is no longer useful, he takes that collar and puts it on another. Therefore he'd only have to modify the voices one time.
what if he was Charles muntz's son that would explain the similarities and the age. if his son grew up with out his father and watched the same films Carl did he could also think of his father as a great person and when he grew up he could have went to see his father when his father eventually dies the son wants to finish what his father wanted stopping at nothing to finish his father's legacy. this would also explain the dogs the collars and the food they have.
theGingerLord 118 it's possible but there's no evidence that he was married I look at pictures of him no ring and he won't be able to have children at the time bc he was so busy and he have no love interest but who knows
theGingerLord 118 tht impossible he was so busy in his early life and there's no way tht he was ever married no rings on none of his fingers so tht wouldn't make any sense if you just think I think he had a brother tht was similar to him I don't think this is imposter the real charles muntz was probably dying and ask his brother or cousin
ironic phrasing but it does hold some truth, blue at least in humans is one of the lighter eye colors so even in greyscale it can be fairly obvious if someone had brown or not and the other possible colors are a lot less common
@@gnamp the color may be gone but if the photo is good enough you can still get a decent idea of the intensity and contrast and most humans draw from a fairly limited pool of colors so unless its something like green, grey or a vibrant blue which are all rare colors its a good assumption that light colors in well kept old photos may show the typical pale blue. yes it could be someting else but if its someone who is well know it would already be known that they have an odd color. so yes the photo by itself cant determine much of anything, it is still possible to determine with some accuracy though this is usually a moot point since you would already know the eye color of the individual you are trying to examine so its only any good for cases like this where the possibility of a double are in consideration. also i dont know if this can be applied to this case specifically since i had it running background so i didnt see the photo being displayed
@@nickolaswilcox425 If the colour is gone- the colour isn't there. You don't need to see it to know this. One could no more distinguish dark blue from brown in a black and white photograph. No colour information is present. End of story. Assumptions like that are risky at the best of times but are absolutely ridiculous in this case.
I mean that could work. The first time I watched the movie, I thought that the Russel looked too similar to young Carl, that at the time of russels introduction into the story, I thought that some time traveling things were going on
This is a great theory, but two of the points didn't make much sense to me (I don't mean to be rude): earlobes can elongate with age, and that looks like it could have happened here, and some people wear their age better than others, so saying he "doesn't look 92" doesn't really prove that he isn't. Again, I love this theory but those points just didn't sell it to me.
@John Kubik Eye colors can change shades, but not to completely different colors unless you have something like head trauma (which would usually cause only one eye to change color, if it does anything at all).
Ok so you know the theroy where Carl is dead and Russell is like guiding him through the after life well that theroy could connect to this one like what if there both dead and Charles is like the devil
yeah definitely not but it would make sense about how Russell wouldn’t leave Carl alone until he helped him cross something, such as crossing into the afterlife. But I Don’t think that’s it
That's my theory. Charles Muntz died never finding that bird and Jr inherited his blimp and obsession. But because Jr didnt have the spirit of adventure like his father, he only wanted fame and fulfillment of his father's legacy, he was hostile to other explorers and then murderous after going insane in isolation.
what if the "fake" charles muntz is the little brother of the real one and he was jealous his hole life on his big brother, so he killed him to live the life he lived. that would at least explain, why they look similar, but not identical. and it would explain, why he looks younger then 93. just an idea and sorry for my english
lol I remember my mom said the same thing but me and my sister just looked at each other whispered she's crazy and years later you come out with this! my mother is a genius!
What if the Charles Muntz that appears in the movie is actually Charles Muntz' son! Because their is no way that the original Charles Muntz would still be alive when Mr. Fredricksen finally meets him. Mr. Fredricksen used to watch documentaries of Muntz when he was a kid, so Muntz should probably be about 30 years older or something. Let's say that the original Muntz was dying and Charles Muntz asked his son to play his role because he didn't find the bird yet. And his son excepted, but little did he know that his son was a psycho path. And his son was so determined by his father's wish, that he started KILLING the other explorers. And he bought thousands of dogs to get rid of anyone who would get in his way. This explains why Fredricksen and Muntz seem to be the same age when they meet.
N Reviews it will probably be debunked because in the few photos/ scenes you don't see a wedding ring and can only assume he only cares about his passion of hunting so he wouldn't have time for a family
Wouldn't it make way more sense if the imposter was Charles Muntz's sun it would make sense why he knew everything about him and has similar jenetics. Maybe his father died on the trip and imposters tried to take his place but his son stopped (and killed). That's why he tries to stop the old man and the boy because he was the one who was supposed to take his fathers legacy. It makes sense why he would make up a past since he wouldn't know what his father truly did. If you agree please like so The Theorizer can see this.
An explanation for Muntz's advanced age is in a deleted subplot from Up. It explains that Kevin's eggs act like a sort of fountain of youth that prevent Muntz from aging.
But that would mean he wouldve found Kevin at one point. By the way hes talking idk it seem he never seen Kevin personally. I think (taking the videos idea) that the orgianal charles was to old to look for Kevin, a adventure who admired charles stumble across his hero. Charles told this man about kevin and died soon after. So the adventure took his name and continued the search. So his backstory would be his own not the original charles..... but im going off of nothing.
When I first watched the movie the first thing that came in mind was this guy looks too young to be older than Carl . Supposedly when Carl first watched him , he was around his 20s or so and Carl was a kid so seeing him look younger than Carl just doesn’t make any sense. He’s supposed to look wayyy older than Carl, 14 years older than him to be exact. So it could be possible that this guy isn’t Charles. He does look similar to him tho maybe he’s Charles younger brother or Charle’s flying partner orrrr Charles Muntz’s son that’s why he knows or supposedly knows too much of the real Charles because he’s probably his son. If Charles had a kid in his 20s before he left off to his adventure . His son would be 9 years younger than Carl or less. And the fake Charles looks about 9 years younger than Carl. BINGO!
But there’s no evidence to show that muntz was married though. But I am willing to believe it was his brother impersonating him and it was him that wanted to finish the job his older brother could never finish because he died and he would’ve found his body. So he decided to embody and pretend to be his brother. If he wasn’t pretending to be his brother he would’ve said “and they wouldn’t believe him” instead of “and they wouldn’t believe me”
I'm sorry but this new intro is just brilliant! Edit: ok I just wanted to know if you could do a theory on Disney/Pixar's film "Brave"? It's like my favourite film and I'm sure there's a lot to go off (though I haven't found anything myself)
Melissa Smith Kathy Swales hey green he should do a video on it but I think she should do 2 one that's an actual Theory and one that is just a review of it where he rates it that way if he does that one first he can get people hyped about it by saying that there's a lot of theories that could come out of it and people could give him ideas
Mabey charles is just another side of carls personality. In the beggining of the film we see that carls went crazy hitting the builder who damaged his mailbox and we see the police advising him to go and live the rest of his life in oak leafs or something like that so what im trying to say is that carls went crazy from depression and never making his wifes wish come true so he just imagined all of this.
A popular theory is Carl actually died in his sleep the morning the old folks home people come to retrieve him. Thus why he is able to quickly renovate it to fly off. The kid is actually Carls guardian angel (in the form of a child as that was also something Carl and Ellie wanted deeply in life that never got to happen. A young scout escorting an elderly man to his final destination. His final life long dream to come true is meeting Charles. The man who brought Ellie and Carl together in the first place. Another symbol of their love.
The Theorizer well it couldn't of been a twin as he would also be 96 and not be very fit like we see so it could of been that Charles had a wife that we didn't know about and it could of been like Carl and Ellie but she had a kid may of died in child birth so Charles resented Charles jr for it, then Charles jr snapped and killed his father and took his identity as I say " physopaths are born, soisopaths are made."
I’ve got a solution to your Roosevelt problem. What if he’s referring to FDR and not teddy. Sure teddy would make more sense as he’s a safari man but FDR makes sense with the time it was set 30s (flashback)
This theory is very interesting! I did always think Muntz looked more spry than Carl but never anything more. Also, the nod to the other 2 theorizing channels and the very smart fan deductions were great! I would have never considered the voice modulators being used with people.
while watching i noticed that up is like harry potter.they have both lost someone they loved carls wife and harrys parents,like you said carl cant move on unless he defeats charles like harry cant live while voldemorent is alive and they both have stupid but funny and sometimes smart friends like carl has the little boy (sorry forgot his name) and the dog,harry has hermonie and ron.
"Until then, I'm the theoriser." Does this mean that until we give a theory that's pinned you are the theoriser, but if we can, we take your role? Does this mean anyone that makes a theory can be the theoriser? Does this mean I can be the theoriser from theorising about this? Please help us out
I remember thinking that they REALLY made Carl age poorly when I was a kid cuz they made Munz HELLA nimble so I agree with you--he was 20-30 when Carl was young!
Could the 'Imposter' be his brother? Out of jealousy he killed his brother because he wanted to be like him? I mean yeah, you said that some similarities were between them etc.... and also if 'Charles' dogs loved him would they love his brother as well?
It could be, maybe Charles had a brother who was 15-22 or a few more years younger. Yeah it's a stretch but it's possible, especially if Charles' mother gave birth to him at a very young age.
What if everything that happened in "UP" was a dream from a coma that the little boy could be the one who found Carl in critical health and took him to the hospital explaining why the boy is always with him and it wouldn't be too far fetched as we see him at the beginning of the slowly begin to break down and Charles might as well have been his friend but was never there because he already died and their relationship could be why Charles is the villain in up
why do you people always make 1 big run-on sentence paragraph with no punctuation? It would be so much easier to read and care about if you didn't do this...
I just realized something since the "real" charles muntz would be 92 he would have most likely retired because he got so old . And the "fake" Muntz doesn't look 92 yrs old he actually could be fake and trying to take all of the original's work.
I love your theory videos, you are making all of this sound so serious and terrifying. Just all because of your tone of voice and the music in the background.
I agree with this theory. I was always suspicious of how active Charles seemed compared to Carl. Also, I believe Charles alternate used the other 'explorers' as hostages to get his supplies and these were really families and groups with a tour guide traveling about. Carl and the little boy wouldn't work because Carl was too old and the boy too young to be useful.
Maybe thats true and the previous alpha dog was doug. Think about it, he is the ONLY dog who brought his kind to the attention of other people. He is also the ONLY dog mistreated out of all of them. It would also make sense as to why the other dogs were so quick to trust him as the alpha dog at the end of the film
AnimaSean it would make sense if he was a previous alpha after all, they would not second guess it since they already knew how good an alpha he was [if he was even good at all]
what if I told you that the voices of the dogs are actually the murdered adventurers voices. I mean think about it. One piece of audio recorded could be manipulated to voice all other dogs. And then the other dogs have slightly distorted types of voice. And because there were no female adventurers, there were no female voices. also the food could be scavenged from the past adventurers. The demonic fanboy may have even killed the original Muntz when he came aboard, meaning that he went out of his way to make it to Paradise Falls.
One thing that always confused me is that when Charles left as an adult, Carl was a kid. Obviously Carl became a really old man so shouldn't Charles be dead? Wouldn't he be old as hell at this point?
If we didn't know their age it would be possible. Carl could be 4-10 years old while Charles 20- 30 years. Which would mean that he would be only 10/20 years older.
@@Framlii yeah I mean If Carl was 11 then and Charles was a young man say 22 that’s like a 11 year difference. So if Carl was 75 muntz would be 86 so not really as old as people think
Look I rephrasing this comment due to my grammar okay. Charles Muntz is not necessary evil just mentally ill he is quick to judge and assuming others tht they want the bird aka Kevin. He may had a brother tht look similar or someone tht was related to him. Charles was jealousy of his brother and decided to kill off his brother and take his fame and blimp. It was obviously the fake Charles muntz planed out he brought alpha along to make sure nothing was suspicious ab the replacement of Charles muntz. There’s no way tht he play poker with the president. But it never said his or her first name it could have been his best friend the he often play with poker when he was younger and he always win every time due to his intelligence which explains his luxury blimp he has.
This grammar should be in a wheelchair cause it's so bad. Therefore this grammar should be killed and thrown in the ocean instead of the murdered Charles.
king candy Evil king lord zerg Like the first reply said, you're stereotyping old people and your grammar is worse than the reaction Charles got for theorizing that Kevin's species existed (I think that was it's name at least)
king candy Evil king lord zerg I understand what you are coming from he actually did when he meet Carl and Russell and just work on your grammar okay and u c I'm not even fuckin rude ab it have a nice day
What if the "imposter" was one of Charles cousins it would deplane the similarities and the differences like the ear lobes. I think the cousin was just really jealous. So, when Charles went on the blimp he snuck up there with him and when Charles was sleeping he killed Charles and threw the body in the ocean. Note: this boy was probably like 7 when he killed Charles.This cousin must of been really jealous. I know this is a dark theory but I some how believe it.
I love your theories !! Thank you for everything they always make my day and really help with my depression. Also *clears throat, looks at you sternly and grabs you jacket* WAYCH DOCTOR WHO!! *releases jacket clears throat again * that is all *smiles sweetly *
Maybe he has a twin brother?? Sounds dumb but he could have brought him with him we just don't see it. Maybe that he got killed by his twin to become him because he was jealous. And either that or he died ON the ship from old age so he replaced him destined to find the bird and do what he wanted to do. And I know it sounds dumb again just my theory.
lucas keogh Twins (generally siblings) have same ear lobes. Identical twins are very Identical in all physical aspects. Plus imposter needs to be younger than Charlez Muntz. Thus your theory falls.
I have a theory about Diego from ice age that is about how he can see the future because in ice age continental drift Diego said that Sid's parents were wiped out by an asteroid and an asteroid in ice age collision course nearly wiped out everything yes it didn't kill anyone but there is a meteor shower that could have killed Sid's family and again in ice age continental drift Diego says to Sid to not to teat the berries or they'll paralyse him but how on earth does a meat eater know anything about berries? Answer HE CAN SEE THE FUTURE!
KiwiGuana He said that to Sid just to be mean, he had no way of knowing what happened to Sids family. His family was also shown to be alive at one point in one of the movies, but I honestly can't remember which. They abandoned him, pure and simple. As for the berries, carnivores don't JUST eat meat, many will balance their diet with fruits every so often. Diego was probably told as a cub about the berries or even ate them himself once, a trial and error sort of thing.
I just love the way you speak lol, I have watched like all of your videos and your speech really makes you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist (even though sometimes you crack when theory's get a little too crazy) its really nice and amplifies your content.
Maybe he wasn't a crazy fan who killed the real Charles Muntz maybe he was just a dedicated fan who when Charles got old/ill/died decided to pretend to be him reinstate his fame as an explorer this would explain why the dogs didn't turn on him because he was a friend.
I've always thought that this guy was not muntz but an imposter or friend who turned against him and murdered him, plus muntz would've not been alive when carl is an old man since he was already an adult when carl was a child.
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This theory actually makes even more sense when you consider the fact that Charles Muntz was largely inspired by a real person named Howard Hughes. He was an aviator and adventurer throughout the early part of the 20th century, and when he got older and more reclusive, he hired a double when he had to meet with certain people in public. Hughes died in 1976, but many conspiracy theorists believe that it was his double that died in 1976, and that the real Howard Hughes died many years before that. I'm guessing that if this theory is true, then the producers probably took inspiration from that.
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Luigi0730 I Would dare to even say Howard died in the airplane accident that he had and had already gone senile before it.
What powers the Spirit of Adventure in Up? Gasoline does go bad after periods of time. If he really never left his blimp, where did he get anything to power the blimp, the dogs maybe? Where does he get all the food for the many dogs he has, and what about clean water?
Luigi0730 total mind blown!
Luigi0730 good point
Charles died Muntz ago.
I get it lol
Fucking geniuz
Mad.
LOL
KumaPaws376 LOL
I always thought muntz would be to old to be killing people. I mean he was an adult when Fredrickson was a kid.
Yeah charles muntz would have been dead by the time carl was old
That's what guns and dogs are for
I thought that too cos look at how old Carl is, then look at the fact that charles is about thirty years older than Carl so charles must be over a hundred even though he doesn't look or act it
Yeah I was thinking the same
Yeah that’s simple math anyone could think that trough
I just thought of something. What if the imposter is actually Charles's son? Maybe he didn't get plastic surgery? It would explain why there are SOME similarities in terms of appearance between them but some differences, like his green eyes that he could've got from his mother. What if, like Anton Ego, he killed his father out of jealousy from the anger inside of him from Charles possibly leaving his family, but instead he killed Charles on purpose. What if the imposter's lies are actually lies that his father told him before he left? Just thinking here
Gavin Kelley wow that could be true
That would've been cool but there's one dent here and that is, was Charles ever married?
I think he is his son too.
Wait but in the black and white video of him he was about 30 or so that mean his son would be born later then that and if Charles is confirmed to be around 90 the son would be sixty and look a lot younger
Adorable Sylveon we don’t actually know how old Charles is,
Anyways you should never ask elders about their ages. Even if they’re dead.
I've seen nearly 30 of these videos and I'm still scared by the was these videos shake, glitch, and warp faces
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Candy Gore you need to not
ZHBG 9224 me too I get jumpscard when film theory warps the faces especially dory’s and Charles munz
ZHBG 9224 hahahah me too lol
I think he is over editing these videos but that’s probably he’s style
Yeah when I first watched it I noticed “if Charles was an adult when Carl was a kid, how are they about the same age when they meet.” Also probably when the people said “all male voices even for females” it was probably easier because Charles was a male living alone so he had nobody to voice for females, and he probably altered his voice a bit for each dog
Something also occurs to me about the dogs. Dogs don't live as long as humans do, and in the time that it would take for a "brave man" to continue exploring and searching for a snipe around Paradise Falls, they would have died. The dogs following "Charles" around the time Carl arrives cannot be the ones that followed the original Muntz. Doug never would have known any other master, and neither would any of the other dogs, even the Alpha. If someone knows how to train dogs, then raising a new pack wouldn't be a problem.
I also suspect that the original Muntz only had a small collection of dogs that were very obedient and contained. Only a few walk out of the blimp in the news clip, whereas when Carl and Russel meet the man, the dogs are numerous and rampant, and depend on another to lead them who is not their master, but the Alpha. They follow the Alpha, not their owner.
EXACTLY
Did Charles Muntz ever say kachow? Because if he did it could probe that he's Lightning McQueen!
But the owner should be the alpha because raising dogs if you do not train them and show them you are the alpha... you provide the food, the shelter,and training them...you have to be the alpha or else all chaos and destruction of your property ensues 🤷🏽
@@melanatednoir4923 if I remember correctly, dogs never see human as part of pack
@@thearmyofiron then your "memory" doesn't serve you well🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
I find something interesting. When he talks to Carl while they are having dinner, then noticed Carl indeed has the bird, Charles gets more hostile and creepy. He then goes on about stories of travelers who came, and he takes these mannequin heads with goggles and rolls them to the floor, indicating without blatantly saying he killed them. Now this could actually tie into your theory. Perhaps Charles (or this crazy fan) is found by other people just like Carl found him, but as soon as these people start to suspect that he is not actually the real Charles, he kills them immediately. He may have this obsession to be Charles and doesn't want anyone to think otherwise.
My theory is that he's actually his son, Charles Jr. His father died never finding the bird and Jr inherited the blimp and his obsession. But since he never had the spirit of adventure like his father, he only cared about the fame and fulfillment from completing his father's legacy, he was hostile and then murderous after going crazy in isolation.
So like a Sasaeng. A creep obsessive fan
How is that scene any different when considering Muntz could have just been insane by that point? He could just rabid in his desire to have the bird.
@@Enkye_CA I'd like to remind you that this is strictly a THEORY, nobody's confirming or denying anything that's being said, we're just brainstorming possible ideas that can explain why Charles is still alive despite being a full grown adult when Carl was still a little kid.
Protagonist: Omoa mo shindau
Charles Muntz: NANI?!?!?!
The Theoriser: this new alpha could have eaten Charles muntz
*shows hotdog*
This series is seriously a hidden gem on TH-cam
IT MUST BE EXPOSED!!
I agree.
I think the voice-collars (whatever they are called) only speak male voices, because Charles Muntz made them by himself, which means that his own voice would somehow need to be recorded to then be used as the base.
Yes, but I still find it a bit odd that there are so many voices, and if they can be altered to sound so drastically different depending on the dog, then I'd assume the same for the females
The Theorizer good point actually
Let's not forget the collars can output 2 different languages too...
Евдокия Сапего I don't want to trash your idea but.....are you saying that munts programmed different versions of his voice to many of dogs? Idk tbh
Adamasutojr AJR he might just recycle collars. Perhaps he keeps a set amount of mature dogs with voice collars and when one elder dog dies or is no longer useful, he takes that collar and puts it on another. Therefore he'd only have to modify the voices one time.
what if he was Charles muntz's son that would explain the similarities and the age. if his son grew up with out his father and watched the same films Carl did he could also think of his father as a great person and when he grew up he could have went to see his father when his father eventually dies the son wants to finish what his father wanted stopping at nothing to finish his father's legacy. this would also explain the dogs the collars and the food they have.
theGingerLord 118 Sorry, but the genetics just don't add up in that scenario, I made a reply to The Theorizer's comment at the top for more details.
theGingerLord 118 Also, how would his son even exist without Charles' wife being there?
theGingerLord 118 it's possible but there's no evidence that he was married I look at pictures of him no ring and he won't be able to have children at the time bc he was so busy and he have no love interest but who knows
theGingerLord 118 tht impossible he was so busy in his early life and there's no way tht he was ever married no rings on none of his fingers so tht wouldn't make any sense if you just think I think he had a brother tht was similar to him I don't think this is imposter the real charles muntz was probably dying and ask his brother or cousin
Dean Chainz I'm not a bundle of sticks, and you used the verb of that sentence incorrectly in the context.
"Even though the image is black and white, we can clearly see his eyes were blue." lol
Yeah that doesn't make sense at all
ironic phrasing but it does hold some truth, blue at least in humans is one of the lighter eye colors so even in greyscale it can be fairly obvious if someone had brown or not and the other possible colors are a lot less common
@@nickolaswilcox425 it holds no truth as you can not tell the eyes were blue. Or any other colour.
@@gnamp the color may be gone but if the photo is good enough you can still get a decent idea of the intensity and contrast and most humans draw from a fairly limited pool of colors so unless its something like green, grey or a vibrant blue which are all rare colors its a good assumption that light colors in well kept old photos may show the typical pale blue. yes it could be someting else but if its someone who is well know it would already be known that they have an odd color. so yes the photo by itself cant determine much of anything, it is still possible to determine with some accuracy though this is usually a moot point since you would already know the eye color of the individual you are trying to examine so its only any good for cases like this where the possibility of a double are in consideration. also i dont know if this can be applied to this case specifically since i had it running background so i didnt see the photo being displayed
@@nickolaswilcox425 If the colour is gone- the colour isn't there. You don't need to see it to know this. One could no more distinguish dark blue from brown in a black and white photograph. No colour information is present. End of story.
Assumptions like that are risky at the best of times but are absolutely ridiculous in this case.
"I love me some bonus disk." 😂
In the movie UP the kid could also represent the childish and adventurous side of the old man
I mean that could work. The first time I watched the movie, I thought that the Russel looked too similar to young Carl, that at the time of russels introduction into the story, I thought that some time traveling things were going on
That is Russle and Mr. Fredrickson you uncultured swine
And Muntz still could have hunted with Roosevelt, even as a child. Maybe he was actually the Russell to Roosevelt's Carl
This is a great theory, but two of the points didn't make much sense to me (I don't mean to be rude): earlobes can elongate with age, and that looks like it could have happened here, and some people wear their age better than others, so saying he "doesn't look 92" doesn't really prove that he isn't. Again, I love this theory but those points just didn't sell it to me.
Agreed. Felt like nothing in particular was said to support the initial theory. My aunt is 92 and looks younger and fit.
Also eye colors can change over someone's life
My cousin's grandfather was able to jog into his 90s and my grandfather died of a heart attack in his 50s. Plausible
@John Kubik Eye colors can change shades, but not to completely different colors unless you have something like head trauma (which would usually cause only one eye to change color, if it does anything at all).
my grandpa looks about 75 but he's 93 and gonna be 94 really soon.
This new intro has this creepy vibe into it, love it
Ok so you know the theroy where Carl is dead and Russell is like guiding him through the after life well that theroy could connect to this one like what if there both dead and Charles is like the devil
sToP
No
People stop whining its just a theroy
yeah definitely not but it would make sense about how Russell wouldn’t leave Carl alone until he helped him cross something, such as crossing into the afterlife. But I Don’t think that’s it
Or maybe this theory is meant for Charles all along, not Carl but charles was dead the whole time
What if its his son!!! Wanting to fulfill his father's journey.
Who is the woman?
@@bearase8719 hmmmmmm good point 🤔
maybe a girl from when he was younger or something 🤷🏽♀️
@@quinn5436 wasn’t expecting such a fast reply
@@quinn5436 but yes probably
That's my theory. Charles Muntz died never finding that bird and Jr inherited his blimp and obsession. But because Jr didnt have the spirit of adventure like his father, he only wanted fame and fulfillment of his father's legacy, he was hostile to other explorers and then murderous after going insane in isolation.
what if the "fake" charles muntz is the little brother of the real one and he was jealous his hole life on his big brother, so he killed him to live the life he lived. that would at least explain, why they look similar, but not identical. and it would explain, why he looks younger then 93.
just an idea and sorry for my english
Great theory
Bart Simpson qA
Bart Simpson
Or he took really good care of his body.
Bart Simpson i never knew a simpsons character could go so dark...
lol I remember my mom said the same thing but me and my sister just looked at each other whispered she's crazy and years later you come out with this! my mother is a genius!
Aileen Martinez If she was she would have aborted you.
bruh why so mean?
Th3 Troop3r[TLS] You’re nice
What if the Charles Muntz that appears in the movie is actually Charles Muntz' son! Because their is no way that the original Charles Muntz would still be alive when Mr. Fredricksen finally meets him. Mr. Fredricksen used to watch documentaries of Muntz when he was a kid, so Muntz should probably be about 30 years older or something.
Let's say that the original Muntz was dying and Charles Muntz asked his son to play his role because he didn't find the bird yet. And his son excepted, but little did he know that his son was a psycho path. And his son was so determined by his father's wish, that he started KILLING the other explorers. And he bought thousands of dogs to get rid of anyone who would get in his way. This explains why Fredricksen and Muntz seem to be the same age when they meet.
N Reviews it will probably be debunked because in the few photos/ scenes you don't see a wedding ring and can only assume he only cares about his passion of hunting so he wouldn't have time for a family
Death Gamer What if it happened after the documentaries were filmed?
@@andrewcamenzind835 Maybe he didn't have wedding ring because it didn't fit his finger. Or just he had son with mistress but not wife.
Mabye a younger brother
dude straight up, i used to think this exact same theory when i was little
baby theorizer
"It seems reports of my survival have been greatly exagerated."
"This isn't possible."
"Oh I assure you, it is"
"How?"
"Not how, why?"
the way you warp the faces in your videos actually creep me out
ikr
I thought I was the only one thinking that!!
I'm here at midnight watching this and creepypasta and can't sleep now.
i always look behind me when i see them lol
Yes! Same!
Wouldn't it make way more sense if the imposter was Charles Muntz's sun it would make sense why he knew everything about him and has similar jenetics. Maybe his father died on the trip and imposters tried to take his place but his son stopped (and killed). That's why he tries to stop the old man and the boy because he was the one who was supposed to take his fathers legacy. It makes sense why he would make up a past since he wouldn't know what his father truly did. If you agree please like so The Theorizer can see this.
Ali Alali that’s actually not a bad theory, it makes sense of everything
That makes a lot of sense
@@xxo4914 no it doesn’t
@@screeches9553 no it doesn’t stop over complicating stuff
Sun?
An explanation for Muntz's advanced age is in a deleted subplot from Up. It explains that Kevin's eggs act like a sort of fountain of youth that prevent Muntz from aging.
ooooooo good idea
But that would mean he wouldve found Kevin at one point. By the way hes talking idk it seem he never seen Kevin personally. I think (taking the videos idea) that the orgianal charles was to old to look for Kevin, a adventure who admired charles stumble across his hero. Charles told this man about kevin and died soon after. So the adventure took his name and continued the search. So his backstory would be his own not the original charles..... but im going off of nothing.
Charles will look *muntz* younger
@@lilking12365410 It just means he would have had to found the eggs once, not Kevin itself
@Mustiboi Salman You must be young. If he found out the eggs have this property he would be keeping them all for himself
When I first watched the movie the first thing that came in mind was this guy looks too young to be older than Carl . Supposedly when Carl first watched him , he was around his 20s or so and Carl was a kid so seeing him look younger than Carl just doesn’t make any sense. He’s supposed to look wayyy older than Carl, 14 years older than him to be exact. So it could be possible that this guy isn’t Charles. He does look similar to him tho maybe he’s Charles younger brother or Charle’s flying partner orrrr Charles Muntz’s son that’s why he knows or supposedly knows too much of the real Charles because he’s probably his son. If Charles had a kid in his 20s before he left off to his adventure . His son would be 9 years younger than Carl or less. And the fake Charles looks about 9 years younger than Carl. BINGO!
This theory actually sounds very realistic, now that I think about it
@@readysoldier6799 orrrrr..... Carl was 11 in the past and muntz was 22. So when Carl was 75 muntz would be 86. :/
But there’s no evidence to show that muntz was married though. But I am willing to believe it was his brother impersonating him and it was him that wanted to finish the job his older brother could never finish because he died and he would’ve found his body. So he decided to embody and pretend to be his brother. If he wasn’t pretending to be his brother he would’ve said “and they wouldn’t believe him” instead of “and they wouldn’t believe me”
I always thought Up was like Eminem’s Stan but in reverse,
In this theory: Muntz was killed by a Stan of his
How many volts/joules would a scream from Monster Inc. produce?
That's a pretty good idea
Rebecca Rebecca good idea
Rebecca Rebecca pointless but actually a good idea XD
Rebecca Rebecca that's a good question
Thanks
I'm sorry but this new intro is just brilliant!
Edit: ok I just wanted to know if you could do a theory on Disney/Pixar's film "Brave"? It's like my favourite film and I'm sure there's a lot to go off (though I haven't found anything myself)
Kathy Swales omg that's actually very good idea. You know I always thought brave always had this theorisability.
Melissa Smith Kathy Swales hey green he should do a video on it but I think she should do 2 one that's an actual Theory and one that is just a review of it where he rates it that way if he does that one first he can get people hyped about it by saying that there's a lot of theories that could come out of it and people could give him ideas
Kathy Swales The new intro is just the right amount of creepy 👌
J Wright ń
JDogg0416 OMG yes that actually could make sense!! 😯😃
I want the super Carlin brothers and the theorizer to do a colab.
Mabey charles is just another side of carls personality. In the beggining of the film we see that carls went crazy hitting the builder who damaged his mailbox and we see the police advising him to go and live the rest of his life in oak leafs or something like that so what im trying to say is that carls went crazy from depression and never making his wifes wish come true so he just imagined all of this.
A popular theory is Carl actually died in his sleep the morning the old folks home people come to retrieve him. Thus why he is able to quickly renovate it to fly off. The kid is actually Carls guardian angel (in the form of a child as that was also something Carl and Ellie wanted deeply in life that never got to happen. A young scout escorting an elderly man to his final destination. His final life long dream to come true is meeting Charles. The man who brought Ellie and Carl together in the first place. Another symbol of their love.
@@arachnesakura9375 this doesnt make any sense
Cue “What If I Told You” meme
Earlobes? WE GETTIN INTO GENETICS HERE!!!
That is Game Theory's job!!!
What if it is Carl Muntz JUNIOR?
that would explain facial similarities
I originally added in the script that it was his jealous twin brother, but I had nada in the evidence factor.
Bianca Brooks Who's the mother?
The Theorizer well it couldn't of been a twin as he would also be 96 and not be very fit like we see so it could of been that Charles had a wife that we didn't know about and it could of been like Carl and Ellie but she had a kid may of died in child birth so Charles resented Charles jr for it, then Charles jr snapped and killed his father and took his identity as I say " physopaths are born, soisopaths are made."
Bianca Brooks interested
AAHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE YOUR NEW INTRO improved way more than the old one !
I’ve got a solution to your Roosevelt problem. What if he’s referring to FDR and not teddy. Sure teddy would make more sense as he’s a safari man but FDR makes sense with the time it was set 30s (flashback)
FDR could not hunt because of his polio
This theory is very interesting! I did always think Muntz looked more spry than Carl but never anything more. Also, the nod to the other 2 theorizing channels and the very smart fan deductions were great! I would have never considered the voice modulators being used with people.
while watching i noticed that up is like harry potter.they have both lost someone they loved carls wife and harrys parents,like you said carl cant move on unless he defeats charles like harry cant live while voldemorent is alive and they both have stupid but funny and sometimes smart friends like carl has the little boy (sorry forgot his name) and the dog,harry has hermonie and ron.
Charles Muntz is just a fidget spinner in disguise.
Logan The Bean ok
Logan The Bean 😕
Logan The Bean *GASP*
proof: he is a fidget spinner
ya they did they were made in 1993
"Until then, I'm the theoriser." Does this mean that until we give a theory that's pinned you are the theoriser, but if we can, we take your role? Does this mean anyone that makes a theory can be the theoriser? Does this mean I can be the theoriser from theorising about this? Please help us out
I just watched a newer video and watched this one and the hit of the voice change almost killed me
Ikr
1. I like this theory. It's now my headcanon
2. Good music choices
Love the new intro!
I love how he said "mind blown"
I dont
PLZ do a video on how to train your dragon
omg this is the most likes on a comment omg
Emma Bainbridge He did. How Fast Can Toothless Fly? was the video.
Ace Rempel I think he meant like an ACTUAL theorie
Anglea Brown that's a theory
Amazing Elvie no it's not
Anglea Brown... yes.... it is
That twisted picture of Charles smileing is a nightmare
True
I remember thinking that they REALLY made Carl age poorly when I was a kid cuz they made Munz HELLA nimble so I agree with you--he was 20-30 when Carl was young!
Wow mind=blown keep up the good work with the theories!
Could the 'Imposter' be his brother? Out of jealousy he killed his brother because he wanted to be like him? I mean yeah, you said that some similarities were between them etc.... and also if 'Charles' dogs loved him would they love his brother as well?
Cayden_ 66 yea mby he is the brother and the point with the dogs makes a big amount of sense
Also if the impsoter wasnt charles the dogs would attack or growl at him and mby the dogs were fake munts all along like the dogs were the impsters
It could be, maybe Charles had a brother who was 15-22 or a few more years younger. Yeah it's a stretch but it's possible, especially if Charles' mother gave birth to him at a very young age.
Young charles munch looks like eddward richtofen
Cody Smith damm yo smart
maybe because HE ISS *SPOOOKY THEORIES* lol
Now that’s all I see
The Theorist vs. MatPat vs. Everything Wrong With...( Cinema Sins).
@Slimes Now loves naruto yeAH! fuck you.
I like it that he finds it strange brown hair changes to gray when you get older, but i didnt know that makes you an imposter right away XD
What if everything that happened in "UP" was a dream from a coma that the little boy could be the one who found Carl in critical health and took him to the hospital explaining why the boy is always with him and it wouldn't be too far fetched as we see him at the beginning of the slowly begin to break down and Charles might as well have been his friend but was never there because he already died and their relationship could be why Charles is the villain in up
WOLFkill3r18 4 Nope. Just nope.
why do you people always make 1 big run-on sentence paragraph with no punctuation? It would be so much easier to read and care about if you didn't do this...
there's actually a theory of it all bieng carl's journey to heaven as he symbolically fights against his negative self through out the film
WOLFkil
3r18 4
Why do people always go for the "It's all a dream" theory? It's overrated and too cliche. It's like the ex machina of theories.
I just realized something since the "real" charles muntz would be 92 he would have most likely retired because he got so old . And the "fake" Muntz doesn't look 92 yrs old he actually could be fake and trying to take all of the original's work.
The Charles Muntz impostor is Andy's dad!
alex Totopo bruh
Why do you make the pictures so creepy, my heart skips a beat when I see them. Other than that the theory is great though
Yeah i feel like I'm gonna get nightmares watching this late at night ;-;
Too me
STOP IT THEORIZER OR CHANGE UR NAME TO SCARE ARIZOR
I napped and ended up discovering this channel now I can't leave it
His Son? :-)
Matthew Wilson if your interested in my thoughts on that check my reply to cobalt films on this same video
O_O
I think I saw a.young version of the imposter in the cinema when young Carl watching Charles
Carl was a kid when Charles months was like in his 30,s so it has to be a imposter
To be fair, this wouldn’t even be the first time Pixar had a villain that was an obsessed fanboy- very plausible
I love your theory videos, you are making all of this sound so serious and terrifying.
Just all because of your tone of voice and the music in the background.
I agree with this theory. I was always suspicious of how active Charles seemed compared to Carl. Also, I believe Charles alternate used the other 'explorers' as hostages to get his supplies and these were really families and groups with a tour guide traveling about. Carl and the little boy wouldn't work because Carl was too old and the boy too young to be useful.
CAN YOU PLZ MAKE A THEORY ON GRAVITY FALLS PLZ
mr M go search it theres so many of them
I know but I want to see this guys ideas on the show
Could you do a theory on The Invisible Man, maybe like if it's possible? Please like this so The Theorizer can see this. Please.
Only because you said please.
Christopher Plummer just passed February 5, 2021. He brought life to this role!
"and most people being people in movies about people"
lol
yep lol
Yep lol
HOLLY SHIT THAT'S HORRIFYING, BUT AWESOME GREAT JOB!
Maybe thats true and the previous alpha dog was doug. Think about it, he is the ONLY dog who brought his kind to the attention of other people. He is also the ONLY dog mistreated out of all of them. It would also make sense as to why the other dogs were so quick to trust him as the alpha dog at the end of the film
AnimaSean it would make sense if he was a previous alpha after all, they would not second guess it since they already knew how good an alpha he was [if he was even good at all]
The Theorizer: "The eye color is a big one, because it doesn't change over a person's lifetime"
Me:*gulp*
People whose eye colour changed in their childhood:
My gran had deep brown eyes when she was younger. Now, with her older age, there is a blue ring around her eyes and the brown is much lighter.
mine used to be blue, then they became Brown
Holy crap, is that PMD music in the background? You're my favorite now
Your theories make this scarier than ever
what if I told you that the voices of the dogs are actually the murdered adventurers voices. I mean think about it. One piece of audio recorded could be manipulated to voice all other dogs. And then the other dogs have slightly distorted types of voice. And because there were no female adventurers, there were no female voices. also the food could be scavenged from the past adventurers. The demonic fanboy may have even killed the original Muntz when he came aboard, meaning that he went out of his way to make it to Paradise Falls.
The Funny American this is a dark theory but you did a good job bro
nice job
1:22 That's exactly what I thought of the Carlin Brother's theory of Carl being insane!
The thing I love most about your intro is the once upon a time family tree lol, that’s really cool
You’re definitely onto something. It always bugged me how Carl has become so old and Charles didn’t look much older than him
I KNEW IT!! I KNEW SOMETIME YOU'D MAKE A REVISED THEORY OF UP!!!
Maybe he’s Charles brother?
No
One thing that always confused me is that when Charles left as an adult, Carl was a kid. Obviously Carl became a really old man so shouldn't Charles be dead? Wouldn't he be old as hell at this point?
If we didn't know their age it would be possible. Carl could be 4-10 years old while Charles 20- 30 years. Which would mean that he would be only 10/20 years older.
@@Framlii yeah I mean If Carl was 11 then and Charles was a young man say 22 that’s like a 11 year difference. So if Carl was 75 muntz would be 86 so not really as old as people think
The chin, old Charles has a line going through his chin while older shares has a dot
Look I rephrasing this comment due to my grammar okay. Charles Muntz is not necessary evil just mentally ill he is quick to judge and assuming others tht they want the bird aka Kevin. He may had a brother tht look similar or someone tht was related to him. Charles was jealousy of his brother and decided to kill off his brother and take his fame and blimp. It was obviously the fake Charles muntz planed out he brought alpha along to make sure nothing was suspicious ab the replacement of Charles muntz. There’s no way tht he play poker with the president. But it never said his or her first name it could have been his best friend the he often play with poker when he was younger and he always win every time due to his intelligence which explains his luxury blimp he has.
king candy Evil king lord zerg your English grammar is fucking awful and you’re also stereotyping old people.
This grammar should be in a wheelchair cause it's so bad. Therefore this grammar should be killed and thrown in the ocean instead of the murdered Charles.
king candy Evil king lord zerg Like the first reply said, you're stereotyping old people and your grammar is worse than the reaction Charles got for theorizing that Kevin's species existed (I think that was it's name at least)
king candy Evil king lord zerg I understand what you are coming from he actually did when he meet Carl and Russell and just work on your grammar okay and u c I'm not even fuckin rude ab it have a nice day
The Infinexos yeah it's Kevin
Hey, it's the theme of Dark Hill from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon! The memories!
OOOOOOOOOOOO the memories
PMD music in general = nostalgia.
Tag You're it Such a good game =)
What if the "imposter" was one of Charles cousins it would deplane the similarities and the differences like the ear lobes. I think the cousin was just really jealous. So, when Charles went on the blimp he snuck up there with him and when Charles was sleeping he killed Charles and threw the body in the ocean. Note: this boy was probably like 7 when he killed Charles.This cousin must of been really jealous.
I know this is a dark theory but I some how believe it.
Jax Fisher, WTF 7?! JEEZ!!!
U should verse MatPat
MatPat would win😠
That would be an amazing episode
Goldie , and Brick boss and friends Mattpat is a chump
yea he should #gametheoryVStheTheiriser
yeah!!!
uh without all his writers and actual theorists, uh nope.
I love your theories !! Thank you for everything they always make my day and really help with my depression.
Also *clears throat, looks at you sternly and grabs you jacket* WAYCH DOCTOR WHO!! *releases jacket clears throat again * that is all *smiles sweetly *
Maybe he has a twin brother?? Sounds dumb but he could have brought him with him we just don't see it. Maybe that he got killed by his twin to become him because he was jealous. And either that or he died ON the ship from old age so he replaced him destined to find the bird and do what he wanted to do. And I know it sounds dumb again just my theory.
lucas keogh Twins (generally siblings) have same ear lobes. Identical twins are very Identical in all physical aspects. Plus imposter needs to be younger than Charlez Muntz. Thus your theory falls.
He could have a grand son at an elderly age
Twins are the same age
^Just like this comment above twins are the same age so that wouldn't explain his strength and more youthful appearance than 92.
*then
I have a theory about Diego from ice age that is about how he can see the future because in ice age continental drift Diego said that Sid's parents were wiped out by an asteroid and an asteroid in ice age collision course nearly wiped out everything yes it didn't kill anyone but there is a meteor shower that could have killed Sid's family and again in ice age continental drift Diego says to Sid to not to teat the berries or they'll paralyse him but how on earth does a meat eater know anything about berries? Answer HE CAN SEE THE FUTURE!
KiwiGuana He said that to Sid just to be mean, he had no way of knowing what happened to Sids family. His family was also shown to be alive at one point in one of the movies, but I honestly can't remember which. They abandoned him, pure and simple. As for the berries, carnivores don't JUST eat meat, many will balance their diet with fruits every so often. Diego was probably told as a cub about the berries or even ate them himself once, a trial and error sort of thing.
HOLY SHIT
the Theorizer make a video discussing the Toy Story 3 conspiracy theory of which toy Story 3 has dark connections to the holocaust
I just love the way you speak lol, I have watched like all of your videos and your speech really makes you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist (even though sometimes you crack when theory's get a little too crazy) its really nice and amplifies your content.
His nose aren’t specific scientific it must have stopped growing or something?
IMPOSSIBLE
I like the new intro maaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnn. I want to see it in a game
Maybe he wasn't a crazy fan who killed the real Charles Muntz maybe he was just a dedicated fan who when Charles got old/ill/died decided to pretend to be him reinstate his fame as an explorer this would explain why the dogs didn't turn on him because he was a friend.
ok ok but how is this related to coraline?
0____0
Black Ice and how does coralline fit in the Star Wars universe?
Black Ice its not. this is a while other theory😑
Breana Excollen It's a joke.
Black Ice, ITS NOT YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!
I've always thought that this guy was not muntz but an imposter or friend who turned against him and murdered him, plus muntz would've not been alive when carl is an old man since he was already an adult when carl was a child.
How have you never seen the longest running show in TV history. You could feed this channel for years
Fake. He's CLEARLY Nelson Muntz from the Simpsons.
PowahSlap Entertainmint lol