Lumix 10-25 & 25-50mm f1.7... Really All You Need?
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- Here is my review of the Lumix Leica 10-25 f1.7 and the 25-50mm f1.7 for micro four thirds. can these lenses really do it all? Let's find out!
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Here’s a great video discussing the cost comparison between the 25-50mm and their equivalent prime lenses. Very nerdy. Watch it next!
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I think at this point in my shooting career, I'd go for a couple of smaller primes. I have the 15mm 1.7 and I love it. I like to travel as light as possible. Currently eyeing the 9mm f/1.7 but it's not yet available in my region. I use a few zooms for most of my shooting. But, not going to lie, that 10-25mm is tempting. Size and cost are the deterrent right now. Thank you for your videos. You're a breath of fresh air! I watch them all!
Thanks so much Marlene ☺️ yes I think the price of these two is quite high but they’re so good. I also love the smaller primes especially for travel. I love that with m43 we can have both 😁
I can highly recommend the 9mm lens, small, light and super sharp. And not too pricey either ;)
Haha. Hi Marlene. I've got my eye on the new 9mm also. Henry's has a price for pre order that is still looking good given the recent surge in the U.S. dollar. The pre order price equivalent in the U.S. is already higher.
Hi Marlene-- Love your channel..you have literally held my hand with my G9 it seems. I have the 10-25,, it's amazing but almost never goes out of the house/studio. I agree on the 15mm 1.7--maybe my favorite lens. Don't forget the Sigma 1.4 primes--they are amazing. I checked my Panasonic dealer here and they didn't have the 9mm on the shelf--But I'm interested too. Best of luck and keep making great videos!
@CLINT JOHNSON Aww Thanks Clint! I am pretty certain I'm getting that 9mm. Hopefully it hits both of our dealer shelves soon! I'd love to use it mostly for my skateboarding shots. Hope I can get it before the snow starts falling in my part of Canada! Cheers!
Thanks for your review! Since I bought the 10-25, it's the only lens that's been on my Olympus EM1 Mk3... it's so super versatile. Yeah, size is a wee problem, but can't have everything in a world limited by physics! Great review.
Wonderful lenses indeed! I’m just so happy with the results of my GH4 and GH5 paired with the Voigtlander Nokton 10.5 and 25mm f0.95 that I could not change those for the Leica Duo. The results with the Voigtlander are so unique like finger prints and I love that! But the images you got were gorgeous!!
I used to use the 10-25 on one camera and 45/1.2 on the second camera at events before cancer and I had to sell all my gear. Now I generally have a 12/1.4 and 56/1.4. With the 9mm, 20mm, and 75mm in my waist lens pouch. Chemo damage, weight matters and both cameras are EM1s now instead of one a G9. Of course since I am retred mostly, I just do events for special old clients and do not have the income I did when working. My outdoor shooting is a 9-25/4 amd 40--150/4 with the 9, 56 and 17/1.2 just because I love the prints from the 17/1.2 and my hires photostacking is setup for that lens, I had so many lens and now it is all synergy to cut weight.
Love these video - so many good tips! Also mpb has been excellent for everything I’ve bought at sold - they even increased my quote when I sent in a lens and they assessed it as in better condition than I did
That’s so cool! They just did that with me as well, I listed a lens as “excellent” and they bumped it to “As New”. So happy they reached out to sponsor the channel because it’s a company I genuinely love!
Very informative and nice footage, especially at 03:23 .
To make a "change" there is one point I really like: the weight! Believe me or not, but I like it to have a lens with a good weight in my hand...
But a change is not in my mind, because 10mm is not wide enough while using the 8 - 18mm. The range between 18 to 25 is not in my interest obviously I use the high quality 12 - 60 and the 25 prime.
Thank you for sharing that video and your sense of humor... 👍
Hi Emily, very nice study and comparison!
I have the Olympus 12-100mm as my main lens, and it is my workhorse for almost everything. I do have a series of primes (Pana 15mm f1.7, 25mm f1,7, 42,5mm f1,7, Sigma 30mm f1,4 and the macro lens OLY 60mm f2,8,) but I use these only on special occasions or projects. THe aspect of one lens basically covering all situations is tempting, especially with each change of lenses you have a risk of introducing dust, moisture, etc. I ended up having dirt on the sensor which was very difficult to get rid of, and being able to avoid this would really justify the one - lens concept.
However, even with my 12-100 lens (and much more for the pair of Leica PAnasonic lenses, the focal range may not always be sufficient, and a wide-angle lens or a real tele lens,100-300 or 100-400 (which is on my wish list...) are necessary. THerefore my bottomline is: there is no such thing on the market like one lens that could fulfil all situations, and, if it were, it would be extremely big and heavy, and way too expensive.
The footage looks amazing. Just, amazing.
Amazing review. Best regards from Brazil !
Thanks for sharing your experience with the f/1.7 zoom pair, Emily!
Personally, I prefer primes for big group venues, parties, and similar events that I feel are worth carrying the pro gear. In particular, I'm quite smitten by the image quality and utility of the 17mm f/1.2 and 45mm f/1.2* the same roles you cited in these shooting events: getting close and getting candids, respectfully. Though the 17mm f/1.2 does do candids quite nicely along with getting wide, doing portraits, etc; it can really step up to a variety of shooting conditions for me because I'm used to the FOV, having access to faster shutter speeds/lower ISO in darker conditions is very helpful for freezing action, and the bokeh is smooth but structured. When used wide open, it feels realistic without blowing out information in the background, which can help elevate the composition, e.g. where crowd reactions are involved. And that's still while providing enough separation between the subject and the background.
I don't have qualms with cropping in on either lens (which really confuses my desire for the 25mm f/1.2) but occasionally I wish I could go wider with the 17mm f/1.2 while still having easy access to the overall image quality I mentioned earlier. Still, I usually find some angles that provide acceptable compositions in the end that still keep proportions intact while being close. Stretching out a chin or leg is all-too easy up close.
*The 75mm f/1.8 can be alternated with the 45mm f/1.2, if I need the reach. If only it had weather sealing...
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Thanks. Good info .
Nice Work, Emily. That 10-25mm has a really great 3D look to it but they are huge hey! Enjoyable video :)
These lenses on a pair of G9 or OM Systems OM-1 bodies would take care of almost everything for event, wedding, documentary and some sports photography. On a GH6, they would be extremely versatile film making tools.
Great video. Thanks
I own both of these and they are unbeatable. Yes, killing some of my Canon and Sony glass easily. Also your grading is spectacular.
Gotta throw in a few accolades here... I used to shoot full frame DSLR (Nikon), but when I started picking up video work I opted for MFT and the 10-25mm was a part of what won me over. Now I own both (the 10-25mm and the 25-50mm). Yep, they're just... so, so, so good. They keep me anchored in the MFT system. They just ooze quality, and every time you touch them you're reminded why they're so pricey. Had a Nocticron 42.5 f/1.2 (fantastic lens!) but couldn't justify keeping it alongside the 25-50mm, which has more versatility and is, well, just as good - I use it for portraits and performance coverage mostly. The 10-25mm is just fantastic for family photography, groups in tight spaces (without getting terribly wonky exaggerated perspectives), and general indoor event coverage. And video, of course. They're both pretty much impervious to chromatic aberration, they're impeccable at any aperture, they've got fast, precise and silent autofocus, gush, gush gush... Yep, they're big but I suppose coming from full frame it doesn't bother me as much. As a combo for weddings and events and so on (using 2 bodies), they're wonderful. The main disadvantage is that owning them dissuades you from buying other lenses... for a while, but then you cave in and rationalize it and get more... (I also use the Oly 12-100 for more general stuff, and a couple Laowa primes... but I can quit anytime, really! :)
I have both and sold all my f1.2/ 1.4 primes (5 of them) which (almost) paid for the 2 zooms. For a paid shoot, when I need the best and have to carry the weight, there is no comparison for quality and versatility. For hobby or travelling, I have a few f1.7/ f1.8 primes to take with. For a wedding, the 2 zooms, plus a 75mm f1.8 on 3 bodies covers 80% of the shoot. A fisheye (8mm f1.8 Pro), 60mm macro and a 40-140 zoom come along for a few options when time allows it. People talk about FF and a f2.8 zoom being better, and that's fine, but theses f1.7 zooms and m43 do a stellar job too. And with some other lenses I have, the really small primes and zooms available, and the smaller m43 camera body range models, m43 does fun and travel really well too.
Thanks for another great video.
They look absolutely brilliant! If I were a professional, and I wanted to stay in micro four thirds, I would absolutely buy them, the versatility and quality are unmatched, not just between Oly and Pana cameras.
BUT!
...but since I'm not a professional, I really don't mind carrying a handful of prime lenses for low light and more creative stuff, when I'm really bothered about not changing lens is when I go hiking, to avoid dust and rain on the sensor: if there ever was a "one lens to rule them all" that I wish Panasonic or Olympus made is a 10-100, a 10x zoom factor like the 14-140 (which I have and love) but giving up some reach in order to cover almost all of the "holy trinity" in a single, small and light lens, which you don't ever need to take off, so the perfect setup for a hike.
Hi Emily…couldn’t pluck up enough courage to say “hi “ to you a couple of weeks ago on that drizzly morning at the start of the Mam Tor walk. I hope you got better images than I did , I was however prepared with weather proofed gear!
Although I have primes , I find myself using the Oly 14-150 most of the time due it’s diverse range.
I have enjoyed your videos for a couple of years now, keep up the great work.
That was such a great walk! So glad it cleared up in the end, I was so worried it would be pea soup. I have a little recap of that Mam Tor walk queued up as my next video - I was using the 25-50mm throughout, so glad it was weather-sealed haha 😁
@@MicroFourNerds I will look forward to that video. Yes by the afternoon the weather had turned into a great sunny period…Mam Tor totally clear.
I have them both. For indoor events this is the perfect kit. The 25-50 is also the perfect lens for portrait sessions without need to swap lenses. But from time to time I also like to grab my Oly25 1.2 and my Sigma 56 1.4. There‘re so many lovely lenses for our system 😊
We’re really spoiled aren’t we! So many great options
These plus the 60mm Norton for a dedicated long portrait lens and you are good to go for most things. I'd still keep the 25mm voightlander though for my street and casual shooting.
I actually ordered the pair about a week ago. Might come tomorrow or Monday. They've been on my wish list for a very very long time. The 10-25 sort of compares to the Sigma 18-35. And I do agree: these 2 lenses are a must for anyone serious about photography and video shooting on MFT.
So how do you like it ? I’m think about to buy them
@@PKozak Love them. Worth every penny.
A photographer at a darkly lit party I went to last night had the 10-25, let me test it on my gh6 and wow that thing is amazing. Af was great, photos in burst locked focus no problem. Eye tracking was good. the video af was great in 60p, I was highly impressed. I almost want to trade my noktons for it!
Hi Emily, you have great content on all M43 and related stuff - keep it up!.... I have had the 10-25 since Nov 2021 (bought second hand!) bolted onto my G9 and had loved using it until early June 22 when it just suddenly stopped focusing correctly! It might gain focus then lose it or just not at all etc - Long story short - there is nowhere in the UK that can repair these lenses and my only option was to basically PX it at Panasonic's service and repair centre for a considerable 4 figure sum! My advice is if bought new hold on to that receipt tightly and ensure it is well insured over the coming years. Good luck and keep pressing that button.
Mine also was loose and came apart, thankfully some one made a video about the issue so I just prayed and superglued it back together myself. Still works. But I have to say for a 1.5k lens Leica or Panasonic had AWFUL quality control on these lenses.
@@raalaa121 Mine showed no looseness or any exterior signs of failure - it just didn't work as it should! I've found the video you speak of and will watch it very soon thanks.
It's ridiculous how such an expensive lens can have such issues without intensive use. It's clearly aimed at professionals as well.
I may have a different perspective than some... I use my G9 and PL 10-25 as part of my wedding and event kit pretty much exclusively. I also have a G95 as a backup event body and that usually has a Sigma 30 f/1.4, Sigma 56 f/1.4, or Oly 40-150 f/2.8 attached depending on the venue. For personal photography or travel, I leave behind the G9 and go with my GX85, G95, or GX1 (if I'm feeling nostalgic). I have a bunch of smaller lenses (plus a 45-200 II and PL 12-60 which are smallish) like the 14 f/2.5, 20 f/1.7, 12-32, 12-60 f/3.5-5.6, 35-100 f/4-5.6, Mitakon 25 f/0.95, and a few others which all work really well as a lightweight outfit. If I need to be really stealthy or will be traveling in a super high crime area then I take only a Lumix LF1.
I would love to have the 25-50 f/1.7 but I haven't identified a personal use case that warrants the price. For those who do have a use for it, I'm sure it's just as excellent as the 10-25.
The GX85 is a lovely camera! Paired with the Leica 9mm or 15mm is a dream!!
Great review love your work!!
Thanks for the video. I keep thinking about this lens. To some extent, M43 is increasingly competing with high end phones. To me, this means that large light gathering is a big feature and more use of electronic zoom is important. Similar to the lumix hybrid cameras.
I'd love to see Olympus (or om system now I guess) take a shot at trying to make a 10-20/25mm f2 lens. Something more focused on photography and being smaller. I really like the idea of the 10-25mm but it's just far too big and I'd never end up using it lol. If it was more like the f1.2 pro lenses in size I'd absolutely get it over the two primes I have in that range. It would reduce my kit size from 3 to 2 lenses and mean I'd never need to change lenses in the field
Oh and you're right about the 25mm f1.4 pana leica being an awesome lens. It was my first and only prime for my first two years of photography. Nothing will make me part with it
Panasonic had a tendency to make smaller fast lenses then Olympus though
12-35 f/2.8 vs 12-40 f/2.8
35-100 f/2.8 vs 40-150 f/2.8
Of course these are not the exact same focal lengths, but I'm not sure Olympus would design something smaller if they did one similar.
A few versatile primes for the very reason we wanted MFT in the beginning...the sheer size. Sure the G9 body is bigger than some FF bodies but the MFT and even APS-C lenses are generally much more manageable than their FF equivalents. Even the Panasonic/Lumix zooms are so much easier to cart around. Plus, it's always exciting to see a new small prime and have fun exploring its capability. Easier to spend slowly in smaller chunks than take a mortgage out on FF size lenses OR the two behemoths you just spent the month using. I have my eye on that wonderful new 9 mm f 1.7 Pana/Leica. :)
I agree with all of that - that’s exactly what I did! Bought primes slowly over time. It was fun seeing how the other half lived for a month though!
I was of the opinion that MFT had lost its way a half-dozen or so years ago when I was able to hold up my 70s vintage Pentax ME film camera and the damn thing (FULL FRAME BY DEFINITION) was smaller than a Panasonic MFT I was looking at in a shop window. I know that's SORT of cheating, but a few years before that, I'd passed through Sydney Airport Duty Free and seen the (relatively) teeny tiny MFT cameras Olympus was launching, no bigger than the old Pentax 70s film bodies (and the Olympus OM film series) and thought "You know what, if I wasn't already eyeball-deep in Pentax APS-C, this would be a thing I might have done."
A lot of film-era full-frame primes are really quite compact, even the f/1.4s and occasional f/1.2s. The modern obsession with creating a humungous block of glass in order to cancel out every conceivable aberration might produce some technically beautiful images, but for the vast majority of enthusiast users, I find myself asking whether it's really necessary.
I’ve had the 10 - 25 for 18 months now, I did not sell the 25 1.4 lens as I love the image so much, however in truth I can’t remember the last time I used it.
If I stay with M43 I will be looking at the 25-50 soon. The only issue at the moment is I have borrowed a Sony A7iv! You can tell everybody including yourself that you don’t need/use autofocus ( I have been telling people for 2 years that Panasonic autofocus is good enough) but the Sony autofocus is another level. I’m the first to understand that manual focus is better in certain situations, however to have solid/reliable autofocus is game changer for a longtime Panasonic user.
I have the pair and they are absolutely the best especially with the GH6. However for grab and go I still prefer the Leica DG Summilux 25mm f/1.4. Fits in smaller bag, light on the hand and produces great images and video as well. I’m actually thinking to add the new 9mm f1.7 prime for travel.
Sounds like a great setup to me!! I love that 9mm
Very good, they do look the part. ✌🏼
Great video Emily! I love the concept of bright constant aperture zoom lenses -- like who doesn't want that!? But personally as an amateur photographer who takes picture for fun, I won't buy this lens. It's simply too big too heavy and too expensive.
I am not very sensitive to camera body weight and size (my main body is E-M1X), but very sensitive to lens weight and size. Because a larger body gives me better handling, grip, longer battery life, better stabilization, etc. But I feel large lenses are a different story, yeah the f1.7 zooms are optically super stars but they are just too obtrusive for me.
These fantastic exotic zoom lenses may be best suited for professional photographers and videographers. I will stick with my mini primes for now :)
Nothing wrong with that at all 😁 I think the smaller primes are why most of us love the system!
I am just getting back into micro four thirds and I have the 10-25 on the way. The 25-50 is on my list down the road, just need to sell some of my old Canon gear to fund it.
Sounds like a great combination for the event photographer. Carry two bodies; mount one on each. Just like the old film days with photogs hunched over with a couple of EOS1 and the 24-70 and 70-200 f2.8. Hey, it’s a paying gig right?
I agree with you that these pair are just too large and heavy for casual use. For dedicated photography trips, I like the G9 with the triplet of Laowa 7.5mm f2, Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8, and the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7 prime.
The camera I have around daily is even simpler. It’s just the GX-80 with the 20mm f1.8.
Great walk-about camera choice! Nice and compact. I love my G100 for that, just with the oly 17mm prime so very similar setup!
Thanks for your advice. A month ago, I got the 10-25... It's so brillant that now I'm questionning myself. Should I get rid of three lenses to add the 25-50 mm... not sure due to the weight.
Last year i got the lumix g 25mm f1.7 for my panasonic dc-g9 and im pretty happy about it, super small and has some crazy dof, i mostly do macrophotos but wanted something with auto focus for street photography.
That’s a great choice! I am very fond of the smaller lenses for street photography especially
My 25 1.7 is very bad. At 1.7 it is not sharp at all and i have to stop down to 2.8 to get it right.
Have you tried astrophotography with the 10-25mm? Great video, thanks.
I think they both sound really good, and I'd love to try one. But I imagine that in practice I just wouldn't leave the house with either of them. I only take any of my cameras with me because they're seriously compact.
I got the 10-25mm, it's a killer lens. Now i want the 25-50mm
You gotta try the Leica Nocticron 42.5 f1.2 ❤❤❤
Especially when you have only 1 camera it is good to have such zoom-lenses. I cannot count how many times I switched the Lumix 20mm and the zuiko 45mm f1.8 during the last wedding I shot 2 weeks ago. It would be much better to have a wide angle on 1 camera and a portrait lens on the other camera. I definitely should a second camera first.
Yes I think that’s a great way to do it for weddings: two cameras that cover most focal lengths so you don’t miss anything!
I prefer to just use 3 lenses for my GH-6 ,Vario-Summilux 10-25mm ,25-50mm f/1.7 and my Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 50-200mm ,i do also have a LUMIX H-X012E 12mm f/1.4 which is great for low light😊
Hi. Not being a professional earning my living from photography and videography it is very difficult to justify the expense for what is clearly very good kit. My Zoom lenses are not constant aperature and I have some primes with f1.7-ish values. One can dream, however, and thanks for showing the vision!
Hey my love, can you check if the 10-25 shows vignette when you use diffusion + vnd together at 10mm focal length?
Hi Emily! Thanks for sharing your experience with these massive lens! At times my 12-40f2.8 is not wide enough for indoor group shots, would you recommend PL 9mm or PL 10-25mm for events? I also own Sigma 16f1.4, Oly 45f1.2 and Oly 75f1.8. TIA - Jason
Hi! If you don’t mind the size I think the 10-25 is much more versatile and probably a bit more pleasing for events 😁 the 9mm is suuuper wide and probably quite niche for events (though still lovely)
I would love to kwn those two, esprcially the 25-50 for portrait work but they are too expensive to me. The 25-50 costs almost as much as a pana s5 with the kit lense so i probably would buy s5 instead
Nothing to add....but if it shoud be a little bit smaller, ... I take the Olympus 12-40 and 12-100 !
Nice greetings from Germany !!
90% of my photos are taken with the PL 12-60 lens, even though I also have the PL 50-200, PL 8-18, Panny 25F1.7, and Panny 42.5F1.7. Rarely use the primes, although I expect to use the 42.5mm a lot more when I get back to doing headshots again.
That 12-60 is brilliant. I finally got a copy this year with my GH6 such a versatile lens
The PL trio are my lens also. Also have the 100-400. No one really talks about them any more. Such good lens. I have no need to trade up at this point in time. Just thinking of throwing in a f1.7 for having a go at low light street photography
I truly like your work specially the timelapse camping shot 1:25. Could you tell me how you shoot it? I’m a fuss beginner and have no idea how to shoot like you.
I recently did a video all about how I shoot timelapse actually! It's just a few back on my channel 😊
This time last year I thought long and hard about your Leica 10-25mm and the Leica 12mm. I spent weeks pouring over every TH-cam review that I could find for those lenses.
For me there was a hair's breath between both lenses however I went for the 12mm. Its incredible and its built like a tank, but going off your experience its not as versatile as your 10-25mm.
On the bright side, I did buy it from MPB.
Winner, winner chicken dinner.😀
When it came to my 25mm prime, I cheaped out and did not buy the Leica version. Its plastic fantastic but it ain't weather sealed.
That 12mm is really built like a tank! I rented it once for a wedding and it was so good. It put the build quality of my Leica 25mm to shame
@@MicroFourNerds And what did I do with my first ever test shot on the f1.4 lens?
Yep, I cranked it all the way to f16 for a cracking shot of a local sunset. I would add a link to my flickr image but computer says no.
producer's version? I just want to make sure I get the right one for .
Nice video. I have been thinking of buying 10-25 to use it for landscape and astrophotography. Have you tried it? Or can you try this lens to shoot these topics.
I took it out for astro this last weekend it did brilliantly! The video is still a few weeks out but I’ve put the photos on my Instagram and Vero 😁
I really do prefer to use one lens, and, my dream is of a fast fixed focal length zoom so I think I will look for your review of the 35-100 2.8 :)
edit: as usual said that backwards! a zoom with a fixed max aperture. duh!
I actually use the Sigma 18-35 & 50-100 combo which is similar to this setup. I justcant really use auto focus which doesnt bother as of right now. If i do upgrade i want to get this set of lenses to go along side my kit for my more run and gun setup
12-35 35-100 is so cute!
Hi Emily, slightly different question. Which lens do you think will give the best result for large group photos. I used a G9 and 25mm prime lens recently and I noticed that the people at the back of the group weren't so sharp when the pix is zoomed in. It wasn't the light becos I shot on a bright sunny day and outdoor.
Hi! What aperture are you shooting at? For everyone to be in focus it needs to be quite a narrow aperture like f5.6 or f8 depending on the depth of the group shot.
hihi, I was somewhat inspired by your love for the meike cine lineup and bought two. i agree, they feel great and are a joy to use. can i ask your experience with regards to weather? they are not sealed and i know you said that. how important is it?
I literally, without exaggeration, dropped my gh5 and the Meike 16mm cine into the ocean when I went dolphin watching. They’re both absolutely fine!
Edited: it was the 16mm. In 2019 and still just fine 😊
@@MicroFourNerds while i do not intend to do so :) thank you
I wish they would make a weathersealed 17mm f1.2 with aperture ring. Would be the perfect lens for me and not as heavy as these behemoths.
I was looking to use it for music videos and music covers for my online socials. Would you recommend more the 10-25mm or 25-50mm? I just love the natural compression you get with the 25-50 but worried it may be too zoomed in for indoor work… which lens is your main talking camera? Thanks!
The 25-50 is sooo nice for compression like you say, but is a little tight for some situations. I usually shoot at 35mm equivalent in my office, so around 15mm
Emily maybe I missed you mentioning the price. WOW! About $1800 each. Say that fast! As an amateur that is very expensive. Each lens is a mortgage payment. Bundle the two and then oh boy.
I’ve been in the M43 world for 10 years and never heard of these lenses. I have the 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 lenses. Sometimes I’ll go out with the 15 & 45 on two bodies. Other times I’ll go with the two f2.8 lenses.
Thank you for this vid.
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Yeah these are eye wateringly expensive! Definitely not for everyone but a good option for certain setups. I think they’re a bit bulky for me personally
my wedding run&gun setup is gh6+25-50 1,7 cage+top handle+screen, and gimbal gh5ii with 12mil 1,4 panaleica all you need plus drone lights and audio, super minimalistic kit saving time switching cameras, i personally shoot 90% of the wedding with 25-50 handheld and only some broll and dancing goes to more compact gimbal setup. I have sony and canon systems with lenses etc, a7sii a7iii can`t survive a month say 15-20 newyork jobs without failing at some point to a vegitable state where you can`t use your camera. Never had anything like that with panasonic, i even have Lumix g7 it was my b cam years ago never failed and better 1080 footage than a7iii ))) same as 2x gh5 i have somewhere in my closed with ripped hdmi ports , screens and broken memorycard slots but that was a serious mechanical damage, while sony just falls apart in your backpack.
Beasts but the weight...especially the 25-50mm dang. Couldn't do it. That's why I moved away from Nikon in the first place. Think I'd just go with the Zuiko 7-14 & 12-40mm if I wanted just two lenses. If I wanted to reduce weight further, switch out the 7-14mm for the Lumix 8-18.
The 25-50 mm could really benefit from OIS. Also the wider one, but Pana has not implemented OIS in any lens under 25 mm. So the missing OIS is the 25-50 is rather strange. I guess they tried to go for a "cine" lens feeling. On the other hand the regular zooms 12-35 mm f2.8 and the 12-60 mm gives you full OIS and Dual IS2.
Yes I thought the same! I assumed it had it to be honest until I double-checked. I think you’re right - the cine lens feel for sure.
For my needs to really appreciate the dual IS. On the GH6 it doesn’t matter too much but on a non-stabilised body this would be a huge drawback
Canon has a constant f2 24-70 lens iirc
If you are only picking one of these lenses and compensating the other focal length range with primes and a cheaper zoom lens, which one will it be?
Good question! For work, the 25-50 was superb, and then I could always use my 12-35 2.8 stock for most of the wider stuff.
However for “not work” I really am in need of a good wide angle lens with auto focus, and the 10-25 was superb for astrophotography!
I think I’d need to flip a coin haha
I´m a little unshure if i should buy the 10-25 one oder the 12-35 new leica Version. The stabi one the 12-35 is super cool and the 10-25 does not have one... i´m not shure if the intern stabi is enough.
Thank God for full frame. Those are like mounting barbells on a feather. Full frame like mounting instant oatmeal to a soup can.
great lenses but they are too big, and too limited a focal range for general use. panasonic should offer something similar to the fantastic sony 20-70 f4.. maybe a 10-40 f2.8 in a slightly smaller package than the sony would be unique and useful offering
This confirms my theory that if you take depth of field as a metric, lenses for each format are about the same size. If you're not fussed about dof, micro four thirds definitely has the advantage.
I only partially agréé With you : IMHO for video & low light, having f1.7 unstead of f3.5 allows much less noise due to using native ISO shots
Well, just two lenses not enough for my multicam projects 😅. Six would be great. If price is right...
I didn't bought the 10-25mm and 25-50mm specifically for the focals but for the rendering. These lenses have incredible local contrast (giving depth to pictures) and beautiful colors. Even the last Sony GMs doesn't come close and yet I really like some of my Sony GM lenses.
Interesting lenses. Not very micro 4/3’dsy in terms of size really. Not really all that unique in their properties either when you look at FF alternatives. In terms of equivalence for DOF wide open on FF and shutter speed/real life noise you’d be looking at f3.3 and two stops faster in ISO so all the f2.8 constant zoom lenses for FF (there are millions aren’t there) are realistically faster/wider. I wouldn’t mind betting that there are some very close in size too.
I wonder if the efficiency in focusing you find so noticeable has anything to do with being wider aperture. An electronic aperture lens will always focus wide open and then close down to whatever you’ve set for your shot. With contrast AF like Panasonic DFD it’s probably able to home in on the optimal point a bit quicker if the depth around the desired point of focus is smaller. I tend to find the larger aperture primes I have are a bit more sure-footed in focus that the 2.8 zooms.
One lens to rule them all over a set. But then I can't afford either...so I'll just stick with nothing 🤣
While these lenses are pretty remarkable, the size and price are what are putting me off them. But then I've never handled them so I could be persuaded... :)
My 12-60mm Leica is the closest to them and is currently my favourite everything lens at the moment. Yes it's only F2.8 to F4 but that's good enough for me. I normally leave it at F4 when making video.
Such a great lens! I’ve used that a lot since getting it with my GH6 (and much more manageable size wise haha)
Also get the befit of OIS and Dual IS2.
Quick question. Is your 10-25mm f1.7 autofocus loud enough to where your internal GH6 mic pics up the sound? Just bought this lens new and I’m trying to figure out if I got a bad copy with moderately noisy autofocus or if that’s normal?
Would appreciate any advice!! Thank you!
Hi! I don’t think so, it seems quite quiet to me. I haven’t noticed any of the focusing sounds getting picked up
@@MicroFourNerds Thanks for taking the time to respond!
It's normal, some people are just more sensitive than other (I tested 3 copies).
I have a noisy 10-25 and the sound in autofocus makes my internal mic unusable
After looking up the prices of those lenses. Then seeing the gimbals, 3 GoPros and stacks of lenses in the background. I thought, how the blooming hell are you able to afford all that?
The lenses were on loan from Lumix. I got the gimbal for free for review, and as for the rest… I have issues haha
I wish they would make one more like a 75 - 100mm .
First question: Why do you have 4k camera, when you never use the 4k for youtube? Then my PenF is good enough for everything until it dies?
I do. I haven’t uploaded in HD since Feb.
Is this alot bigger than a 12-35 2.8?
A LOT bigger i wouldn't recommend it if you value portability!
@@MicroFourNerds the image quality looks so good tho. 😭😭😭
What are your thoughts on the Lumix Leica f1.7 duo?? Would you make the switch?
I hope to buy a used 10-25 someday, but it's such a coveted optic that that day might be a long time coming. Might be saving for whichever L2 camera goodness is coming down the pipeline, too!
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A 50-100 like this is what I need, why aren't they a 50-100 f1.7? That would be a real money making machine, I haven't owned or used a wide to normal zoom in years, other than kit lenses I have kicking around, if I have a gig I bring the f2.8 tele zoom and normal, wide, and ultra wide primes, and a macro lense maybe. I have the 35 and the 50, and the ultrawide, which together account for maybe 10-15% of what I'll shoot at the gig, the other 85% is all the 70-200 f2.8. I get calls again and again to be a second shooter for people just because I own the 70-200 f2.8 and a few bright primes, the people who call me, they all have GH5s and Sigma 18-35 f1.8, they don't need to call somebody else in to cover the range of these lenses, they need the telephoto, and I love beig a secod shooter, because I don't have to do any negotiations or advertisement or anything, I don't meet the clients before the day of, I get paid on the night, and I go home with no work left to do. But since the people I work with are alwasy on GH5s, a 50-100 f1.7 would almost be more valuable to me than the 70-200 f2.8 on full frame, I think if I had a 50-100mm f1.7 I could actually rent it out and just stay home and let the weddings shoot themselves, that's how in demand that thing would be. If the 50-100 f1.7 ever comes out I'll sell whatever other camera gear I need to to buy it, and then, maybe I'll use some of the money I make off it to buy one of these others, but I doubt it.
very good lens ... but sigma 18-35+viltrox speedbooster are 3x cheaper
Cheaper but not good. Bad af performance, no focus clutch, no weather sealing.. well you get what you pay for
@@castielvargastv7931 Panasonic and good AF? i use only MF on my GH5s (for movie ofc)
@@zibik7140 af is very good for photos and good enough for what i do with video. If you are a manual focus guy you should know that a focus clutch is much better than what the cheap sigma has.
My GFX combo cost equal and has better image quality
Great range, good weight, but extremely expensive and those bodies... certainly not designed to look pretty after using them a little, with all that metal.
you said this is a constraint f1.7 and full frame didn't do the same , in full frame term this is f3.4 and there are alot of constraint f2.8 full frame lenses with half the price , to be honest those lenses are expensive
More in terms of focal length plus the wide aperture. Especially the 25-50 - 50-100mm f1.7 in full frame terms (I know there are differing opinions on aperture equivalencies)
I agree they are quite pricy for sure!
@@MicroFourNerds I did the test myself , same focal length of mtf and full frame , both at f3.5 , there is a night and day difference , almost no back ground blur on my lumix and the backgroud was super blury on the eos r , that was the day I sold my lumix :D
@@MicroFourNerds maybe it is a cool idea for your next video , to compare the same aperture on full frame vs mft , would be really cool video
@@A.Edilbi yes that’s a good idea!
Thoughts on Panasonic pulling all of their GX models from sale? Only old stock now available in the UK and taken off their website.